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Speaker 1: trying my Central Pennsylvania accellent. Oh you're still on Harrisburg time.

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Speaker 1: but like it it needs to be done. And if

422
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: you're going to pretend like you're not killing them, then

423
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: you're not simping to the population. Populations will continue to

424
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: be overpopulated. I do want to talk about TNR for

425
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: a sat guy. Well, I heard your boyfriend had a

426
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: hot take on tr TNR is trapping to release and

427
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: it's basically, like, you know, the current accept the methodology

428
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: for how we deal with cat and dog overpopulation. You

429
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: neuter or spay them, then send the backout so they

430
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: don't reproduce. But his point is basically like you're never

431
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: gonna neuter or spay enough to actually meaningful control the population.

432
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: They fuck like too frequently and they have like too

433
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: many babies in the litter every time. It's just it's

434
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: never gonna be gonna make a dent. I do totally

435
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: see that point, but I'm also I think the other

436
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: side of that is that like it's painful for the cats,

437
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: so neutering them it's maybe not about the dent, but

438
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: it's also making the cats out there who are feral

439
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: having better lives, because it's like you're seeing these cats

440
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: out there who are getting pregnant over and over and

441
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: over and then like dying from the pregnancy. And so

442
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: you want her to like be this like fabulous Tubes

443
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: type girl boss who's just like out They're like not

444
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: getting pregnant all the time. And yes, she's just going

445
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: to bruns and like living her life. Well, here, let's

446
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: talk about an example. Let's talk about cat I lived

447
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: with turtle, Okay, was turtle fixed, had an abortion and

448
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: then was fixed. Okay, and again, let nature take its course.

449
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like if she wasn't, you know, either,

450
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: she would have probably just like gotten pregnant like right after,

451
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: because also cats can get pregnant while they're pregnant. I mean,

452
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: I think that she's a special case because she was

453
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: someone's cat. Like she wasn't a funeral outdoor cat, right,

454
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: even though her vibe that is someone that I feel like, also,

455
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about her as this cat

456
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's a very Jackson Galaxy subject.

457
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: She was not necessarily friendly, no, but I feel like,

458
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: not to brag, I was able to communicate with her

459
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: in ways. Yeah, you jacksoned her. I feel like Jackson,

460
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: you didn't put you didn't put like too many human

461
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: emotions onto her. You accepted her as a cat. I

462
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: was like, you're this a crazy Bushwick mansion cat like

463
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: living with like all these tea kids, and I knew,

464
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: and people were always being like, oh, turtles crazy, like

465
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: turtles unfriendly, and I just feel like I started slow.

466
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, you put out the hand let her smell. Well,

467
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: did you do the I Love you trick that he discusses,

468
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, at some point I did start to

469
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: in the I Love You trick, which is blinking in

470
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: a rhythmic soft pace to a cat to show them

471
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: that you love them and they can trust you. It's

472
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: invented by a woman named a Nietra, who wrote The

473
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Natural Cat. And what you do is you say I

474
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: with your in your mind. You think the word I

475
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: while your eyes are open. Then you close your eyes.

476
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: On the next beat, you think the word love. Then

477
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: you open them again and you think the word you,

478
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: and you look at the cat directly with, as he says,

479
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: soft eyes. It's kind of like smizing in like a

480
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: tire way. Yes, it's it is very smizing. No, I

481
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: do this to cats all the time, and he says

482
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: you should do it because he's like, cats don't mew

483
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: at one another, they use it for us to get

484
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: something from us. Famously, cats like literally now only to

485
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: talk to humans. So it's like we owe it to

486
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: them to try to communicate back to them, and so

487
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: we do that kind of with esp a little bit

488
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: by just like thinking at them. But it works when

489
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: he's in the shelter and then in say night and

490
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: it's storming and like all forty five cats, yes, are

491
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: screaming and it's four in the morning and like the

492
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: shelter's shaking in like a rocky mountain tempest, and he

493
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: does the I Love you trick to every single cat

494
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: in a row. And then at like five in the morning,

495
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: it's silent because they've all like calmed down. And back

496
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: to your point about like how dogs are taken to

497
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: play it out, like he would be like, oh, I

498
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: would notice the cats who like you know, wouldn't nuzzle

499
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: people when people came over in the cages or like

500
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: just you know, would be like scared and sleeping their

501
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: litter box. They don't get adopted because people are like,

502
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: they're unfriendly. Right, it's not that they're unfriendly, Okay, it's

503
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: just that like no one is into acting with them,

504
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: so then they're like scared and retreating. And I love

505
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: how you know, he's very practical when he talks about

506
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: his work in the shelters, He's like, my goal was

507
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: to get these cats in a positions so they could

508
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: get adopted, so that they weren't anxious, they weren't upset,

509
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: so that when people did the drive by, and it's

510
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: like people come to that shelter, they spend one second

511
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: in front of each cage, that every cat had its

512
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: best chance possible of like seeming cute and adorable and

513
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: like making a connection with a human who would take

514
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: them to anywhere but here. Now, do you remember the

515
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: process of adopting your childhood cats? So Nigel and Casper,

516
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: who I loved so much, they we actually got them

517
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: at a cat show. Okay, this is both of us

518
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: being like fully clostily. You got them at a cat show.

519
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: I got like mine at like an insane breeder who

520
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: lived in Framingham. And breeders are obviously so evil and

521
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: they are like, oh it was like this big woman

522
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: in framing and it was like where we got cider

523
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: spelled s y d a R. My first Abyssinians and

524
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: like she bread Abyssinians. I think Russian Blues and Bengals

525
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: and it was just like, oh, you know, I want

526
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: a Russian blue. They're so fucking it. It's so crazy

527
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: when you breathe the sexiest cats, but you have twenty

528
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: seven of them in your home, So if he actually

529
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: becomes not sexy, ultimately it's not. Yeah, twenty seven Abyssinians

530
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: and a framing ham like vinyl side at home ultimately

531
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: not that cute. Yeah, Nigel and Casper, who I love

532
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: to death and we're so friendly and they were so

533
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: and but I will say, you guys got them together, right,

534
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: We got them together their brother and sister. I think,

535
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: like I connect. I think children naturally connect with animals

536
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: better because they don't do the entropomorphizing thing. I think

537
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: children naturally connect with animals better because they don't do

538
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: the entropomorphising thing. Also, their children are dumb until they're

539
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of more at the same intellectual level and not

540
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: relying on so just so like if I didn't have

541
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: my cat like or puddles here with me, like I

542
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: couldn't have gotten through like a B and C right

543
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: like a child. It's just kind of like cuddly. I

544
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: mean I didn't connect. I will say, like Cider was

545
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: definitely more Gia's cat, and I didn't connect with them

546
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: till we got Audrey or second Obese obviously because I

547
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: saw that Cider got depressed with her arrival. So I

548
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: started with the introduction of some of a new element.

549
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: We follow Jackson's rules, which are separate for two weeks,

550
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: and then like slowly introduced what we didn't do he suggests,

551
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: which is smart. I think feeding them. So you feed

552
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: one cat on the other side of the door, and

553
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: then you put the food right on the other side

554
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: of the door for the other cat, so that they

555
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: have meal time together, but they're not actually seeing each other,

556
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: they're just smelling each other. I kind of want to

557
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: do that with my with my lover. I was gonna say,

558
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: it's like really sexy. Well, you know what you could

559
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: do that You could go to one of those traditional

560
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Japanese ramen spaces like that's like for commuters, like that

561
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: place in Bushwick where it's like you have the solo booths,

562
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and so you and your lover each eated a booth

563
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: next to each other inhale each other's scent and the

564
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: scent of the noodles, the slur the slurp of a lover,

565
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: but you're not looking at them, and then you're just

566
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: like activating. Miss sense that you rarely are activating. And

567
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Nigel and Casper, I feel like, got along famously, and

568
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Cider and Audrey did not get along famously. I mean

569
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Cider was thrown into anorexia, Audrey into obesity. There was

570
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: domestic abuse, and I'm sure that each of their eating

571
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: disorders like absolutely was you know, It's like was a

572
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: mirror of each other. It was like he didn't eat

573
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: because she ate. Yes, well she stole his food, so wow, okay,

574
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: so quite literally literally and then anger and it's just

575
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: like I think when you get two cats at the

576
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: same time, right, He's like, what is happening? Who is

577
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: this new gal? When I was really depressed in high

578
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: school and I was an accutane which makes you depressed,

579
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I would go in these long jogs through Newton at

580
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: night at two in the morning, barefoot, and I didn't

581
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: realize barefoot. Yeah, it was really cuckoo um, and both

582
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Casper and Nigel would like come on the run with

583
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: me at different times. They would literally run along my

584
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: side like a dog not leashed, Like we would run

585
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: through the neighborhood together. Wait, I never knew this. This

586
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: was like full Disney movie on it. Yeah, it was

587
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: very Disney. I was like, and then like Casper like

588
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: get invented with me as I would just be like

589
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: crying and have so much acne and be like so crazy.

590
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: Both of them were just Casper she would usually sleep

591
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: with you know, but Nigel will go on the runs

592
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: with me too. Two cats following you on a well,

593
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: they would they would each be my guardian on like

594
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: a different run. They wouldn't. They wouldn't want to gether

595
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: like you take her to night. She is going, she's

596
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: on one. She watched Alias for sixteen hours today. But

597
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: so that Jackson, just for a second, I mean, it's

598
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: just this book brings up so many different catch holenges

599
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: the way I would say, So he goes independent, he

600
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: gets laid off from the shelter, and he was like,

601
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to become a consultant. He said, he was

602
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: getting like TV spots already in press so I feel

603
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: like the bold, like he did have an article and

604
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: like the Boulder. Yeah. I mean, this was a time

605
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: when if you got one like a press, it could

606
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: really take you somewhere. It's not like nowadays when everybody

607
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: and their mom has like an interview. In interview, you know,

608
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 1: like he can actually means something. And so he's really

609
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: down to his luck. He's been fired, his car breaks down,

610
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: his big Dell laptop breaks down, but he has his

611
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: first job, so he has a full breakdown. He's like

612
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: covered in sweat, his pants are ripped. He goes to

613
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: this woman's house. They have twins and a cat that

614
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: now is like clawing everyone, and the woman is like,

615
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do. Jackson, being a

616
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: cat detective, figures out that the cat is only staying

617
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: at the staircase and he's like, oh, he's protecting something.

618
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: What is he protecting the twins. He knows that he

619
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: senses the people. He knows that the twins are the

620
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: most important thing in this house right now. He walks

621
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: into the house and he's like, well, like the cat

622
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: is at the top of the stairs, at the top

623
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: of the landing, and then he starts to go up

624
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: to stairs, and the cat lungers at Jackson and like

625
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: digs his closet to his bald head and like bites him.

626
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: But he's like, this is my one chance to like

627
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: get a new client, So I can't act like I'm

628
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: freaked up at cat's attacking me. So he just like

629
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: is so stoic and is like bleeding out of his

630
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: neck and like skull from this insane cat. He just like,

631
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: very calmly just goes. I think that cat is guarding

632
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: something upstairs, right, He wasn't like, you know, oh, yeah,

633
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: this cat needs is bad and pretty simple. They move

634
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: his litter and food downstairs. Oh and by the way,

635
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: moving things can have a huge fact. Yeah, mostly for

636
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: the good. I moved Orzo's water and like, you're so Jackson,

637
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: because I was like, I was like, why did y'all

638
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: move that bowl of water? And you were like, well,

639
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: now she comes in and hangs out with us and

640
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: is less like being secretive about her water and she's

641
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: drinking her water in the living room and like socializing

642
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: and associating like the thirst and the quenching of the

643
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: thirst with the humans. We were in our living room

644
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: having martinis and she was just posted at her bowl

645
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: having her own martini exactly, very wet. Can we talk

646
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: about when he has crazy sex with Gen Yeah, I

647
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: have the page pulled up horny for it. Okay, So

648
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: at some point he's like, he isn't sober yet, but

649
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, being a cat consultant. Oh wait

650
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait page one on five.

651
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, he's like, okay, say I went over to

652
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: Jen's apartment, where the two of us waited and waited

653
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: for her friend, dressed as if she was actually late

654
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: to her Renaissance Fair party next door. It's so ren fair.

655
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: It's just like wait, and I had originally wait that

656
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: somebody I had originally read that as like she was

657
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: going gonna go she was laid for a Renaissance fair.

658
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Not just that like she was so renfair. He was

659
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: just being like she was literally being so Renfrance for

660
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: like Boostier. The moment that door shut, with the two

661
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: of us alone, I was literally thrown against it. I

662
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: turned Jen around and grabbed her by the shoulders. This

663
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: was not going to be a gentle affair. The next

664
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: few hours were an explosive horn blast that signaled the

665
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: beginning of an affair that made the eruption of Krakata

666
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: look like a spilled glass of juice. This through me,

667
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: You're really not you know. And the cover of this

668
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: book is him with a cat, and it's like includes

669
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: tips for cats like you are not ready for this,

670
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: like sexy all steampunks sexy and from him and gen No,

671
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: this like dirty. I mean it's so like dirty bisexual

672
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: techie like banee vibes. Yeah, it's like, of course, it's

673
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: like this is also like a super horny book. So

674
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: also there's like a fun famous book does where it's

675
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: like a bold advice tip and it goes a piece

676
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: of non cat related advice when the picture your girlfriend

677
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: conjures up in your head is of a cartoon skunk,

678
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: reconsider the relationship. Well yeah, and he's he's basically saying,

679
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: also like his cat, like because Benny hates the girlfriend.

680
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Benny hated Jen and all of her boostiers, and so

681
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: did Valoria. Cats Benny and Valoria. It's really just like

682
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I can't think of any of like a more like

683
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: steampunk name for cats than Benny and Valoria. And like

684
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Valoria's like his nicer cat that like, but Benny is

685
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: the one. Benny is the cat that like, well he's

686
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: very top and bottom because he's like Benny is so aggressive,

687
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: and Valoria was so tiny and thin and like she

688
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: loved to be chased and just like if she's gonna

689
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: cry and get chased, well then he's gonna and like

690
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: he would just like terrorize her until he built like

691
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Benny like eighteen more like cat condos and like fed

692
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: him at different times and moved his litter box like

693
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: three feet a day around the apartment. Oh r, because

694
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: when he moves, he's like inch by inch. We moved

695
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: Benny's litter box. Oh and we haven't even told so

696
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: the Benny Stories basically says Benny changed his life because

697
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: like Benny was so like challenging and basically like a

698
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: woman comes in and is like I can't handle this anymore,

699
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Like this cat is a broken hip. I just can't

700
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: do this. She tries to literally drop it off at

701
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: the shelter and run away like so movie like I'm

702
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: dropping my like friend who's oding off at the er.

703
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: People monsters, people are crazy. It's like right, it's kind

704
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: of like no kill shelter, kill shelter, Like it's kind

705
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: of an institution and like, you know, more to be

706
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: dealt with. But just like a woman like with a cat,

707
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: like running away from a shelter, It's like, why the drama.

708
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it's actually more humane to take your cat

709
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: out back shooting in the head than it is to

710
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: drop it off at a shelter and runaway. Takes some

711
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: fucking responsibility for the animals in your life. Fully on

712
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: board with that one. But it depends how sick the

713
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: cat is. I guess it's just like, you know, sending

714
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: it to a shelter is like almost certain enough, and

715
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: it's like a sadder death. It's just like like the

716
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: majority of the cats and shelters are youthanized. I mean,

717
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: it's it's you know what I hate when I see,

718
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: if I'm scrolling pet Founder or whatever, when people say

719
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: was given up because a family got a dog, oh

720
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: and they didn't get along, that actually makes me want

721
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: to murder. Well, it's very chest and it's just like

722
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: you just did. You made no effort at all to

723
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: acclimatize the cat, to get the like animals understand each other.

724
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: You made this huge difference in these living creatures lives

725
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: and then we're just like, they should just figure it

726
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: out because I can. And you're like, oh, I got

727
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: a cat because that's easy. And then you were like

728
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: me and the new hubs wanted dogs. You want to

729
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: take him hiking and boulders, like amazing hikeeries. And then

730
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, didn't do anything. Not getting long

731
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: this is hard by It's just like the cat is

732
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: actually not a thirty five year old like marketing assistant,

733
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: Like they don't have the logical faculties that you do.

734
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: You need to make literally any effort. I also love

735
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: that he always calls owners guardians. He doesn't like the

736
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: word owner, yeah, which I think is really beautiful. It's

737
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: very like I feel like it's very like Native American

738
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: like steward of the land, Like we are stewards of creatures. Yes,

739
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: like we are just guiding these cats along in homes.

740
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: But you don't own the cat now. But so what

741
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Jen does though, is Jen brings Jackson to AA, which

742
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: is changing, yes, hugely important for him. Basically he gets

743
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: sober but takes him awhile then he like finally gets

744
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: sober from klonopin, which was like the real addiction. Yeah,

745
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: but then he turns auch food addiction where he's having

746
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: like three whoppers like for a line, and then he

747
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: does weigh in at four hundred pounds at one point.

748
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: I do also wonder when he's listing the insane amount

749
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: of drugs he doesn't like, I feel like this is

750
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: because he is a big guy, and it's like I

751
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: was like, how are you not dead? I think at yeah,

752
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: at a certain point if you're like because he was

753
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: like Baseline was two fifty and it's like, oh, then

754
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: maybe you can do like all this coke and coloun

755
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: a pin and weed and wine and tequila like over

756
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: the course of the night, which is basically just like

757
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: a normal like gay man's diet in New York on

758
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: like a Friday, watch me as I eat my way

759
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: through Friday night. And then well he's sober, so he

760
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: then that's when he really gets into fast food. Yeah,

761
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean he has an addicted personality and I and

762
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: you know it's real. And then there's a moment with

763
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: him and Benny that changes when he's off the clon

764
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: a pen and he sees Benny and he realizes before

765
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: he thought of Benny as a bus driver and he's like,

766
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: you're not a bus driver. Yeah, you're a cat. You're

767
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: not a cranky old bus driver. Where I think I

768
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: found this part where he has this realization. Benny and

769
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: I are both socially isolated, behaviorally unlubricated, two fingers on

770
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: the same hand, caught in the massive gears. This is

771
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: what differentiates sympathy from empathy. No matter how much I

772
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: care for you, it's not until I recognize me in

773
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: you and you in me that the veil of gaze

774
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: is lifted on the world. I hit my knees and

775
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: then I'm on my ass. The cheap floor of my

776
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: apartment shakes in Benny's ears turn one hundred and eighty

777
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: degrees away from me. The shame rushes in as the

778
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: dream rushes out. I can't believe how selfishly I've been

779
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: seeing him, how I've been holding him to human standards,

780
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: standards that are neither higher nor lower than cat standards,

781
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: but completely irrelevant. Now that my brain is finally free

782
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: from all the shit I was drowning it in, I see,

783
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: in the shock of a new connection how little I've

784
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: truly understood him, And I am filled with horror and

785
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: shame all the time. I laughingly dismissed his bus driver

786
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: who fell asleep and woke up a cat. Looks, he's

787
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: shared my life for years and just now I realize

788
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: the deep level of his frustration and anxiety. M beautiful.

789
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: And he's just being like, this is an anxious creature

790
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: that is being made more anxious by the like smaller,

791
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: thinner cat in my house and like Valoria, Yeah, Valoria

792
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: also makes me anxious, the good kind of anxious and yeah,

793
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: and he realizes that cats are cats and it's a

794
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: really beautiful moment, which is beautiful. And he does go

795
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: on to have like a weird business separation with like

796
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: this woman and he starts the Essential Oils Company with yeah,

797
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, and she was amazing, but like

798
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: her heart problem was actually making really hard for us

799
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: to make joint decisions. Well. I was impressed though, because

800
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: she was such a like a soothsayer and like such

801
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: a misclue of cats. Because that one time that Benny

802
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: was like dying and he bought into the vet and

803
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, he's having a heart condition, and

804
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: he like, and then she came in. She knew she

805
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: was like this cat is choking and they're like what No,

806
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: she's like an X ray and they're like an X

807
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: ray could kill him with his hot condition. She's like

808
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: he's choking and she's like cat's gonna die, Like, well,

809
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: he'll die the other one. He's gonna die on this table,

810
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: God damn it. And it's like so dramatic and er

811
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: and then he has a toy cart and his larynx

812
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Parts of this book could really be adapted

813
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: into a motion picture film on like an Animal Planet

814
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: original movie. Yeah, I think, yeah, I would love to

815
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: see that. I mean, I have to say, like this

816
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: book was kind of shockingly like poignant and poetic and stunning. Yeah,

817
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: it was much more like I think. I thought it

818
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: was me a lot more like tips about moving the

819
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: litter box. But it really is beautiful about just like

820
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: finding yourself, finding your passion. You know. It's also like

821
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: not a linear way like so much to this book.

822
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: He has found his passion because he's like still addicted

823
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: to something or like relationships have gone awry. And then Benny,

824
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: who he's cared for for so many years, does pass,

825
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: so he takes him in to finally give him his

826
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: final shot. I want him to remember being loved so

827
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: much that all else will be forgotten, no episodic memory,

828
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: just an unbroken lifetime of embrace. I lean in tight

829
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: as I hear the vet enter behind me. I will

830
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: tell your story. You hear me, I promise, I keep

831
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: my promises right. And same thing to say to a cat.

832
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: The vet is hovering. I already don't like her. I

833
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: tell him so, but say it's okay, just another shot.

834
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: You've seen plenty of those. I need to protect him

835
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: from the fluorescent harshness of the unknown. I'm full of

836
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: guilt about not letting this happen at home. So I

837
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: create a home so big with my body that he

838
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: will see and feel it like I'm holding up an

839
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: Imax panorama on my shirt. I keep my promises right.

840
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: His breathing slows. I have to give him permission. Like

841
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: your children shoot you one nervous glance as they put

842
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: their feet in the school bluss, and with a slow

843
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: blink you tell them that the ride will be a

844
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: good one. The purple blanket will keep you safe. On

845
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: que Mercy descends with my lips on his head. He

846
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: takes a clear, unsnortfled, untumored, unweezy breath. I keep my promises.

847
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: I whisper, I told you when we moved here that

848
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the ocean would cure you. And then with a gentle spasm,

849
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: the school bus drives off. He still is a bus drip, right,

850
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: It's kind of just like you actually didn't really leave

851
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: the whole bus driver metaphore behind. But he's like he's

852
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: a student now, he's a kid on the bus. I

853
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: was just like, wow, that's a beautiful. So crazy to

854
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: think about your cat dying. Did you ever have to

855
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: watch your cat die? Both? It was horrible, but it's

856
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: also was so time. I mean, I'll never forget watching

857
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: sonomr cap before I was five, and they when they

858
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: put the blue juice in her Sonoma and Napa named

859
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: after the wine valleys. My parents love wine. Just watching

860
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: those were also from a cat show. I don't know

861
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: actually what their providence was. Um, they were from the

862
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: like the seventies. Um. And just seeing like she was

863
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: nineteen and a half, she was old as hell, but

864
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: seen a life train out of her and go limp

865
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: is so hard and then I help to remember just

866
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: like in the drive, I mean with Audrey, you're like

867
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: the drive there and they're like she's in the back

868
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: and the crate and you're like, you don't know what's coming?

869
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh god no, Yeah, that was like when I watched

870
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: that rabbit get killed last year for me, and then

871
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: we ate the rabbit a little different, but yeah, but

872
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the animal not knowing what's coming and having no choice. Okay,

873
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: I got Duncan donuts like a good Bostonian before Oh well,

874
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, the meal that I had. Oh.

875
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: And also it's like I feel like we're like petting

876
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: her and holding her paws. What was so I feel

877
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: like hard definitely with like Audrey and like the choice

878
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: to put down. And he says in here like a

879
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: lot of times like humans hang on longer than they

880
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: should for themselves. It like is really hard to tell

881
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: because like I feel like you're like, Okay, she's in pain,

882
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: but then they're like she was so pur so you're like, wait,

883
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: like are you in pain? But then you're like, but,

884
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: as Jackson says, purrine isn't always a sign of pleasure. Yes,

885
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just like or they're trying to soothe themselves.

886
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: So I think I've heard also in cat books and

887
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: tips and tricks. And then of course it's so insane

888
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: and twisted, and they're like um and take all the

889
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: time you want um, and then we can talk about

890
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: options for creaming. Oh god, they're just like so um.

891
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: You can get this mahogany box with like an imprint

892
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: of their paw. That's sick that and that's just with

893
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: just their ashes. You could get their ashes but will

894
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: be mixed with about a thousand other cats ashes. Or

895
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: there's just the dumpster um and that's three hundred three

896
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: and you're one hundred for us to literally chuck it

897
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: in the dumpster behind the there's also wait, I think

898
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: that company had shark tank that's just called like paw Forever,

899
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, take your cat's ashes and fuse

900
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: them into a diamond. And it's like this diamond is

901
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: like point one percent your cat's ashes, but yeah, it's

902
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: mostly plastic point zero zero one percent your cat's ashes.

903
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I might ring um like a beautiful like

904
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: a black diamond. Sad burnt out, want to kill your husband. Honey,

905
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: you're not alone, But here's the issue. It's not him,

906
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: it's you. You're stressed and anxious. You need therapy. Better

907
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Help is an incredible online therapy website, app service that

908
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: connects you to certified mental health professionals. I obviously use

909
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: this brand because I would never read an ad for

910
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: a brand that I don't personally use because I'm not

911
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: a liar. And one of the things that I do

912
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: when I'm not lying is speak to my better health

913
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: therapist openly and honestly about the things that cause me stressed.

914
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: And then you know she can be very she can

915
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: be challenging but also validating, and I love that tension,

916
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Speaker 1: and now I can be a better partner and friend,

917
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918
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921
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: ten percent off your first month. Right up? How does

922
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: she ow? What does she know? How does she meow? Okay?

923
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: What does he eat? Eat? Well? Now he's he lost

924
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: a lot of weight, he gotcast her bypassed. Basically they

925
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: were like you're gonna he was. This was so depressing.

926
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: He was like calling his mom and she was like,

927
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: can you do something? He's like, oh, well I can't

928
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: because I can't put on shoes today and she was

929
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: thought heart was yeah, I mean that was really overlapping

930
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: with their Jared the Subway Book a little bit, yes,

931
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: and it was also so like nurse Mom. But she

932
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: was like, you're going through like an app like you're

933
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: about to have you need to get to the hospital

934
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: right now, Like this is not right. So he does

935
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, and he also finds like another lover who

936
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's his current wife now that he

937
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: does like does get with him a four hundred pounds

938
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: and he like doesn't think love as possible. He does

939
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: really describe the gen breakup. He's just like, yeah, it

940
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: was time. But this new girlfriend, he was to California,

941
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: so I feel like it's like he's just super fresh

942
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: California vegan like avocados, Keene Wa and Tampa and being

943
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: so like Veggie Burger. I mean, he's making weird soups

944
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: like Eric Adams is telling him too. Um. Definitely blending stuff.

945
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: And these are his kind of sister books in a

946
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: way that Eric Adams spoke in this book, Eric Adams,

947
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: Subway Guy and Daddy like no, the three I would

948
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: sell that as like a gorgeous like kind of like

949
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: collection you can buy in a box set. What does

950
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: he wear? So he's cool and vintage in rockabilly and

951
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: he has your dreamstyle. He literally is my dreamstyle. He

952
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: wears like black button downs with like different drawings of

953
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: chicks and leopard print, and he has big side burns

954
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, basically just like pimp freaking style. He

955
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: does have that like Vegan gastrot byepaths like body a

956
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: little bit where it is he's he's always gonna it's

957
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: there's a gontification that's happening, and he's always gonna look

958
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: like he lost a lot of weight because it's like

959
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: this the clothes are still gonna hang off him in

960
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: this way that's like not quite like he's not quite

961
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: used to his body. There's that rockabilly brand. I got

962
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: my shoes from Straight to Hell that I love, and

963
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: like all their clothes are really tiny, but I feel

964
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: like there's also like bigger rockabilly clothes that I have.

965
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, and like it's not like he's like

966
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: a skinny he's still like really tall. It has that

967
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: like Bill Clinton and yeah, Eric Adams, like you know

968
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: what I'll say, he dresses like and is also definitely

969
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: voting for is he dresses like a Marianne Williamson supporter

970
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: and he is definitely voting for marian Williamson because he

971
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: dresses like a magician. Yes, it's it is like and

972
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: I will call myself and like I'm always calling myself rockabilly,

973
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: but like, but you're not. You're not like so vest

974
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: and like you're not so like purple vest Like he's

975
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: way more purple vest or like red. There's like a

976
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: side of rockabilly of just leopard print, black button down.

977
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: Red's not going to be that, right, I'm not ridiculous

978
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Terry poppin Daughters. No, and I'm not wearing like everyone

979
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: at the marian Williamson friend raiser, I went, who was

980
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: wearing just like a bowler hat with a feather and

981
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: then like six vests and well and especially like the

982
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: way his with also Marion Williamson circus, is that like

983
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: his facial hair is like so constructed into like little

984
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: pointy pieces. It's really really crazy. There's so many pieces

985
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: to it. It's not just chops. It's chops and the

986
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: tourly and then there's like lanes in it. There's like

987
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: there's like a full maze happening, and what's like super

988
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: nineties really two thousands is is the glasses are like

989
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of just like it's not like, oh, he just

990
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: like got the ray band glasses, like he kind of

991
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: got like the most moderns has. There's like big green

992
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: bands on the sides and like they're like slim because

993
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: he's like I'm a modern Well that's because like you know,

994
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: most people are not trying to be so Warby Parker

995
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: with their glasses and they just are getting the most

996
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: normal lenscrapters glasses and that's actually more punk, it really is. Okay,

997
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: how does he live? Obviously, Like I'm sure he has

998
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: a new cat and there's eighteen thousand like cat condos

999
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: and like he just lives in an obstacle course. And

1000
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I feel like the coloring of his house feels very

1001
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: Venice Beach to me, Like I feel like it's like

1002
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: a cat condo. And there's like a green room which

1003
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: has like tons of rock posters, and then there's like

1004
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: an orange room in a purpose. I think the variety

1005
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: of intensely saturated hughes is great. I think there is

1006
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: a purple rug in a green wall and then an

1007
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: orange room an each room is a little bit different

1008
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: and it has Yeah, I feel like there's an undercat

1009
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: system and a higher cat system. But I feel like

1010
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: the house is very like not it's very like it

1011
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: was built in two thousand and three. Yeah, not. No,

1012
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't see him with a vintage house, I guess.

1013
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: And he and like, yeah, he is maybe like above

1014
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: ground pool huh. I see him honestly, like maybe it

1015
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: came with it. But I think he's a little bit

1016
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: nervous around water like a cat. Oh wow, because he's

1017
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: so feeline. I think he's that feeline and maybe like

1018
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: body image shoe stuff like, but also feeline. I don't

1019
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: see him like swimming so much. Okay, yeah, I mean

1020
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: that actually makes a ton of sense. He's like massive,

1021
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: massive weight loss and katay yeah, not big into swimming. Okay, okay,

1022
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: who are you in the book? Um? Are you Valoria?

1023
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm so skinny. Stop chasing me. I hate it when

1024
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: you chase me. I imagine that Valorial to like a

1025
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: white cat too. And you're like on Jackson's chest being

1026
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: like yeah it's Valoria time. Um are you Benny? I

1027
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: mean you're not so injured? M Benny has like a

1028
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: real heart and Benny is like, yeah, really going through it.

1029
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean that, am my, Beth. You're just like you

1030
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: need to move out with your sober bs. You're like

1031
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: you and your new renfair girlfriend, and you're like cat

1032
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: who needs a hip replacement, Like I'm actually done, yeah no,

1033
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: and I and you are Beth, and I want you

1034
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: to like also continue to find your inner bath and

1035
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: like find the blesbian who's going to stand up to

1036
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: your messy friends and just be like no, not today, right,

1037
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: that's true, which is a boss aspect, Boss Bitch. I

1038
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: think I need to find need to be more like Beth,

1039
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Boss Beth. I give this book three point seven pop

1040
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: prints out of five. I think there's tons of like

1041
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: really good tips, movie moments you like learn a lot.

1042
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I guess the con for me is like maybe it's

1043
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: because I am like hap person. I feel like I

1044
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: didn't like learn totally like so many like new tricks

1045
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: for my cat. I guess I wasn't yeah hoping for tricks.

1046
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate the philosophy about it because like I thought

1047
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: that that was like that actually might be more useful

1048
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: to me going forward if one day I do decide

1049
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: to become an adult feeline owner. I want guardian to

1050
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: sorry guardian guardian a feeline guardian. It's like, I want

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Speaker 1: to understand the cat's motivations versus having like special things

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Speaker 1: to do, because I get that. It's like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: about treat toys and it's about playing. I do think

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Speaker 1: one should definitely good read if you're thinking about becoming

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Speaker 1: a guardian. Yeah, I give a three point five, and

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Speaker 1: it was it was surprisingly beautiful and interesting and I

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Speaker 1: didn't know, Yeah, I didn't know. I mean, I knew

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Speaker 1: he was a rocker, but I guess I didn't really know,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like his addiction journey, and he's

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Speaker 1: very strong. It's beautiful, it's relatable, it's flaw like there's

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that's he wasn't like and I'm

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Speaker 1: clean now he's like, I got clean and then I

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Speaker 1: ate five burgers, like I think. My one thing, it's like,

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Speaker 1: I think, obviously there's limitations to the science in this book.

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Speaker 1: He is not a scientist, and so I would have

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Speaker 1: appreciated more about the history of cats, more about the

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Speaker 1: science behind cats. Another book, but that is another book.

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Speaker 1: But it's you know, because of course that's like the

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Speaker 1: shade that I was hoping for a little bit more up,

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Speaker 1: just like a more rigorous academic um angle. But ultimately, yeah,

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Speaker 1: really nice job Jackson. Yeah shout out. UM would love

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Speaker 1: to collab. Please send us photos of your cats, yeah drop,

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Speaker 1: Send us for a cat and we'll post that. We

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