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Speaker 1: This rant, this kick to downplay the forty yard dash

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Speaker 1: times at Pro days like this is obsessed mclovin here, totally, yes,

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Speaker 1: not to the point where I'd actually do some real

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Speaker 1: work in times some forties on TV, but obsessed in

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Speaker 1: a general way. Okay, explain to the audience why you

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Speaker 1: are possessed by this and out to disprove what these

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Speaker 1: numbers are at these pro days. So every year, forty

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Speaker 1: official computerized laser judge forty times. Yeah, and players get

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Speaker 1: that stigma for life. We all know Larry Fitzgerald had

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Speaker 1: this measurement in a forty, but this year there's no combine.

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Speaker 1: So everyone's taking their Pro day forties, which are notoriously

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Speaker 1: guys run these forties. So Kyle Pitt's running a four

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Speaker 1: hand timed and not computer timed. Now, we tried to

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Speaker 1: hand time these these forty yard dashes, like Kyle Pitt's

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Speaker 1: the Star tight End from Florida, and we tried to

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Speaker 1: hand time those during the commercial breaks, and we were

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Speaker 1: all over the map as far as from four four

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Speaker 1: to you know, four eight? Yeah, seton, But don't these

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Speaker 1: like bad Pro day times or I don't know if

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Speaker 1: are they inflated or whatever. Pro day times set up

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Speaker 1: players for failure at the combine when they inevitably run

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Speaker 1: slower than what we expected them to run. Like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to run a four three

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Speaker 1: if you don't run at the combine, then you can

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Speaker 1: just live off your Pro day to day. The combines first,

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Speaker 1: the pro days are always after too. Oh all right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you don't run at the combine, then you

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Speaker 1: just run your Pro day and chances are I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at some combine compared to Pro days from a year ago,

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Speaker 1: and there's or two years ago. There's a huge difference

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Speaker 1: here in what players were running at the combine when

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Speaker 1: it's electronically timed as opposed to a handheld, Like how

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Speaker 1: difficult is it for a handheld where you're down at

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Speaker 1: and we screwed it up. Nobody had the exact time

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Speaker 1: all four Dans were timing Kyle Pitts and you had

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Speaker 1: it by my calculations. He ran a four nine seven overrated. Yes.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing was that Seaton did it again and

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Speaker 1: got four or five. He goes, wow, he just got

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Speaker 1: a half second to see video. Yeah yeah, yeah. Pulling

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Speaker 1: at my pro day, I would run downhill and just

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Speaker 1: like I'm running a flat ground three eight. Yeah. We

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Speaker 1: talked a lot of football yesterday, and what I say

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the ones to keep an

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Speaker 1: the Jets were hoping, hoping to get a second round pick,

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Speaker 1: they would settle afore a third. It might not even

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Speaker 1: you're taking Sam Darnald and you're going into no man's

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Speaker 1: land with him. If he's really good, now this is financially.

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Speaker 1: If he's really good, then you franchise him. And what

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Speaker 1: thinking it'd be more than that. Yeah, with a couple

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of promise there. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: They're hoping they'd settle for three. Don't be surprised if

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Speaker 1: it's a four, And I go wow, because there's no

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Speaker 1: leverage here. People know they're taking Zach Wilson, Steve Young,

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Speaker 1: the Hall of fame quarterback came out yesterday. He was

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Speaker 1: on KNBR in San Francisco and he said that he

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Speaker 1: knows that Zach Wilson prefers San Francisco over the New

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Speaker 1: York Jets. That's his number one choice. It doesn't work

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Speaker 1: that way, Steve. He may not want to go to

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Speaker 1: the Jets. But even though the Niners may prefer I

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Speaker 1: told you the Niners tried to go up and get

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Speaker 1: They're taking Zach Wilson. Now, that's when they did inquire

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Speaker 1: able to move up, it felt like they were probably

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Speaker 1: going to trade for Sam Darnold. Probably, Yeah, Paul, why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't a guy like Zach Wilson then pull a Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been done before, There's there's precedent for this.

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Speaker 1: This is your one chance in a lifetime to you know,

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Speaker 1: take the hit, but go where you want to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it couldn't do that. But the Jets are

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Speaker 1: taking Zack Wilson. And then as far as what happens

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Speaker 1: with the Niners at three, I told you that there

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Speaker 1: were three sources that told me, and then a fourth

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Speaker 1: the same expression that Mac Jones to the Niners done deal.

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Speaker 1: Two of the four sources, but all four said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're hearing that it's Mac Jones to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: And I had one source say it is Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: But and it's Kyle Shanahan and his father, Mike Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: They're the ones making the choe, not John Lynch the GM.

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Speaker 1: But there is somebody or someones in the draft room

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Speaker 1: all the information that I had, and I shared that

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Speaker 1: an eye on. Carolina has been dying to move up.

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Speaker 1: They want a quarterback. Their owner has basically said that

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Speaker 1: from Teddy Bridgewater. I don't know where they're going because

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Speaker 1: the Jets aren't gonna do that. They're not getting Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: As far as what happens at four with the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals aren't taking a quarterback, and you go there,

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Speaker 1: and who do you want? Who's going to be there?

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Speaker 1: And is that going to be the quarterback you want?

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Speaker 1: That's why I was told, if Carolina can't move up

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Speaker 1: to see Sam Darnold end up in Carolina. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: the club. The way you frame it, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: the contract doesn't work out, but he's only twenty three,

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Speaker 1: so it's almost like you're evaluating him against Yeah, these guys,

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Speaker 1: and I think he might stack up pretty well, but

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the rookie contract. Right, That's what you

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Speaker 1: want if you're San Francisco, I get rid of Jimmy

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Speaker 1: you know, replntish the refrigerator there. Yeah, Paul, it does

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Speaker 1: appear that there's like a range of quarterback you don't

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Speaker 1: want to be. You don't want to be twenty four

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Speaker 1: and not that great because you know, look, Mitch Shisky

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Speaker 1: was worth nothing, so was it. Jameis Winston was worth

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Speaker 1: almost nothing on the market last year. Yeah, and there's

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Speaker 1: two teams that I have told you about in with

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Speaker 1: the possibility of landing Sam Darnold, and I haven't wavered

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Speaker 1: off of this because I've heard it from reliable people.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the Niners. The Niners were interested in Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: obviously not going to now because they moved up. The

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers were the other team. The Steelers and the

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Speaker 1: with Matt Rule, Christian McCaffrey got some weapons there and

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Speaker 1: not heard that until you know, this week. Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. I had been hearing probably the last six weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. So if you can trade him now and

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Speaker 1: I mean they got Dwayne Haskins, Roethlisberger probably in his

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Speaker 1: final year, Mason Rudolph. But do you bring in Sam Darnold?

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Speaker 1: domino effect that was going to happen with Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: that once he was traded, then that opens the door

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Speaker 1: of the Jets aren't entertaining any offers for that second

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Speaker 1: pick overall, Well, I guess that's done because they want

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson as their quarterback. Eight seven seven three d

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Speaker 1: sports and it's a TV show or a movie, it's

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Speaker 1: just about relationships. It's not necessarily about the action. Is

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Speaker 1: you know, as athletes on the field or on the court,

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Speaker 1: on the baseball field, it's about relationships. And is that

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Speaker 1: pat Riley's relationship with you know, the stars on the team,

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. But you've got some big time actors who

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Speaker 1: are involved in this, Yeah, Pauling, Adrian Brodie's in it,

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Speaker 1: into an authorized dealership. Today we're talking about Norm Nixon.

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Speaker 1: He was traded to the Clippers. The Lakers just drafted

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Speaker 1: Byron Scott. That's the summer of nineteen eighty three. Not

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Speaker 1: a popular move at the time. I think Magic looked

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Speaker 1: at Norm Nixon as someone of a mentor. Jeff Perlman

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Speaker 1: has written the book New York Times bestselling author of

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Speaker 1: nine books, host of the two writers Slinging Yang podcast,

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Speaker 1: Showtime Magic, Kareem Riley in the Lakers Dynasty of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and now HBO making it into a series. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: good Morning. How surprised were you that you hear from

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Speaker 1: a How did you hear from somebody who decided that

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Speaker 1: this would make for a great series. So there's a

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Speaker 1: guy named Jim Hext and he's a writer and I

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Speaker 1: only knew him because I looked at his IMDb pages

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Speaker 1: and he was the writer of Ice Age the Meltdown,

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Speaker 1: that was his main credit. And he wanted to come

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Speaker 1: to my house and sort of talk to me about

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Speaker 1: the idea of turning this Laker book into it. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I just think it could be something. And he shows

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Speaker 1: up at our house. This is when we lived in

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Speaker 1: New York and Newer Shout of New York. And he

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Speaker 1: shows up with a block of chocolate, a tomato, and

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Speaker 1: a bottle of fake wine. Like that was his wooing

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Speaker 1: material that he brought. It was I think he was

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Speaker 1: at Grand Central and just needed to bring something. He

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Speaker 1: shows up at our house and he's like, I just

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Speaker 1: really think this could be something good and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, because if

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Speaker 1: you do this long enough, you do get stuff options,

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Speaker 1: and it almost never becomes anything. I've had stuff options

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Speaker 1: many times by now, and it never becomes anything. And

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Speaker 1: here's this guy is aids the meltdown, Jim hacked and

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Speaker 1: you think this is going to be nothing. And that

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Speaker 1: was probably seven years ago. And now I don't know

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Speaker 1: how this happened. I sort of got I have no

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Speaker 1: idea how this happened. It's the craziest thing that's ever

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Speaker 1: happened in my career. What's the status of the production.

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Speaker 1: They're starting to start in a film, and they did

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Speaker 1: the pilot already and they're starting to film multiple episodes

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days actually, and it's fully cast

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Speaker 1: and unbelievable. A lot of times we look at a

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Speaker 1: sports movie, we think it's a sports movie, but it's

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Speaker 1: about relationships. And I don't know if it's different in

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Speaker 1: a series, because you know how much of this is

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Speaker 1: about actual basketball or the relationships within the basketball team,

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Speaker 1: or you know, Jerry Buss or pat Riley. So can

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Speaker 1: you give us a sense of what you think the

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Speaker 1: direction is of Showtime. Well, I think they're they're very

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Speaker 1: hyper into the sort of development of the dynasty at

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Speaker 1: least at this point, and sort of not just Jerry Buss,

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Speaker 1: but how he became Jerry Buss, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: blooming of Magic Johnson. One thing they've done that I

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Speaker 1: think is really cool is if you look at the cast,

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Speaker 1: it combined a lot of really established actors playing these

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Speaker 1: big roles. You know, Adrian Brody, Sally Field is different,

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Speaker 1: and then like the guy playing Magic, who's awesome, as

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Speaker 1: this guy named Quincy Isaiah is just a young, sort

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Speaker 1: of unknown actor. And it just seems like they're really

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Speaker 1: emphasized the blooming of relationships and the development of these characters,

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Speaker 1: not just it's not just going to be a stupid

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Speaker 1: you know, look at them play basketball. It's gonna throw

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Speaker 1: a bunch of balls out there and have actors play

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Speaker 1: basketball really poorly. I think it's gonna be more about

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Speaker 1: the development of the characters, which is what you try

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Speaker 1: to do in a book. How do you cas Kareema

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Speaker 1: dul Jabbar. You get someone very tall. The guy playing

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Speaker 1: him was a play basketball cow, so they casted very tall.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know, it's It's interesting because

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Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about sort of what goes into

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Speaker 1: it and how it's not just about height, Like you

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Speaker 1: don't just want a seven foot two guy if all

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Speaker 1: the other actors are five foot eleven. So everything is

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Speaker 1: in ratio and everything is relative. Actually learned a lot

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Speaker 1: just from observing and sort of being kept in the

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Speaker 1: loop about everything and how it goes down. What's the

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Speaker 1: one thing that you took away from your book that

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Speaker 1: you didn't know, Like it became a lot larger, or

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Speaker 1: it stayed quieter than you thought it was going to. Actually,

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Speaker 1: at the time, I was unaware of the sort of

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Speaker 1: demons of Jerry West. I always saw it growing up

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Speaker 1: and then watching basketball that Jerry West was just calm, cool, collected,

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Speaker 1: and then you really get to know him and learn

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Speaker 1: about him, and he's a really tortured individual. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of what makes him great. But the everything he's gone

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Speaker 1: through in his boyhood, sort of abuse that he said,

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Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot of Billy Bean. You try

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Speaker 1: to experience a lot of Billy Bean, the kind of

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Speaker 1: the where he can't watch a game. I remember covering

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Speaker 1: the A's and Billy Bean could not watch a game,

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Speaker 1: and Jerry West is basically Billy Bean. I always found

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Speaker 1: that torture really interesting. Yeah, he's brought that up a

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Speaker 1: couple of times that you know, he had a shotgun

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Speaker 1: under his mattress and he was going to kill his

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Speaker 1: dad who was abusing his mom. And he said he

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Speaker 1: used to drive around like he couldn't even be in

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Speaker 1: the building sometimes with the Lakers with these big games

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Speaker 1: that he would drive around and then wait till the

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Speaker 1: game was over. So just the one thing that's interested.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned in the intro of Norm Nixon and Magic Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the trading of Norm Nixon and Magic Johnson. Was thrilled

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Speaker 1: when norm Nixon was traded. He was not upset. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there was a real conflict between those two. Norm Nixon

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Speaker 1: had been the established point guard and really viewed as

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Speaker 1: his team and then Magic comes along and they kind

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Speaker 1: of handed it to him and it's his team, and

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Speaker 1: there was no way I was going to work having

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Speaker 1: those two point guards. And it's not like they hated

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Speaker 1: each other, but it was not a very good en

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Speaker 1: court basketball relationship. How tough was Riley on these players?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting he came in and when he arrived.

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Speaker 1: He was He was a completely inexperienced you know, been

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Speaker 1: a radio guy. You know, he had been with Chickhern

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Speaker 1: and then he's an assistant under west End and suddenly

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a head coach, and everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's pat Riley. Laid back pat Riley. And over

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Speaker 1: the years he developed this term called peripheral distractions. That

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Speaker 1: was his thing. We can't have any peripheral distractions. And

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Speaker 1: peripheral distractions meant the media, and meant wives, and meant

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Speaker 1: girlfriends and meant anything that took away from the team

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Speaker 1: at all. And he became sort of hyper intense about it.

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Speaker 1: And by the time he was done, by the time

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Speaker 1: his run ended, the Lager players wanted nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with him because he was just gone way over the top.

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Speaker 1: But if you remember when Ry Thompson did a profile

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Speaker 1: on pat Riley, and you've got an idea, because when

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Speaker 1: Wright does a deep dive, you're going to find out

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Speaker 1: about that person and you realize that's pat Riley, you know, perfectionist,

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Speaker 1: never happy, you know what. He grew up with it

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Speaker 1: with his father, and yeah, I would hear stories, but

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Speaker 1: I was never close enough that they just they kind

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Speaker 1: of tolerated him. You know, at the end, they sort

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Speaker 1: of just tolerated ryles Man, but he had definitely worn

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Speaker 1: out as welcome. What's part of the book that you might,

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Speaker 1: um be not nervous about, but you know, maybe how

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Speaker 1: do you capture this in the true sense of what

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Speaker 1: it really was in the book? So there's my favorite

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Speaker 1: moment of all this stuff I wrote about from that

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Speaker 1: book is um Magic Johnson's arrival in Los Angeles, And

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Speaker 1: there's this momentum that I just love. He comes to

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Speaker 1: LA for the first time, sort of negotiate with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: and he's being driven in a limo down some street

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Speaker 1: and he sees arn is growing on a tree and

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Speaker 1: he tells a guy to stop the car, and he

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Speaker 1: gets out and he picks an arms because he's just

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Speaker 1: blown away by this idea that I'm in this land

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Speaker 1: where fruit is growing on a tree. And I just

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Speaker 1: think the essence of that team and that era and

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: everything about in that book can be summed up in

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson picking an orange from a tree. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know how. I'm not saying you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: How you capture the sort of late seventies early eighties,

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Speaker 1: guy who's never been to California, his life about to

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Speaker 1: change forever, all embodied by the beauty of an orange

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Speaker 1: on a tree and just being dazzled by that fruit

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Speaker 1: sitting there. I love that. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you capture that, but I just think

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Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful thing. Was there one move that

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Speaker 1: almost didn't happen or the other way like they made

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Speaker 1: a move and it benefited them. Well, the trade that

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Speaker 1: almost happened that almost ended the Jerry Buss Jerry West

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Speaker 1: marriage was they almost traded James Worthy to Dallas or

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Speaker 1: Marcaguyre and Jerry Buss agreed to the deal with Don

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Speaker 1: Carter the Mad Zone or um behind Jerry West's back

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Speaker 1: and goes and says to Jerry West, so we have

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Speaker 1: this deal worked out and on paper, that's a complete

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Speaker 1: that's a very very fantasy basketball kind of trade. Were like,

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Speaker 1: this is amazing markaguyre iverage just twenty five a game,

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Speaker 1: and then you're stuck with Marc Aguire and Jerry West said,

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Speaker 1: if you make this trade, I'm done here. So that

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Speaker 1: trade I think almost ruined everything. Did they almost not

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Speaker 1: get magic or pass on Magic. Whether they the first

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Speaker 1: choice of Jerry West. He's loathed to talk about this

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Speaker 1: is was Sydney Moncrieff out of out of Arkansas. It's

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Speaker 1: actually an interesting thing though I always say this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer if they if they're backward, is

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Speaker 1: Sydney Moncrief, Norm Nixon with Kareem at center, Jamal Wilkes

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Speaker 1: at one. That's not a bad team. It's not. It's

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Speaker 1: not the Showtime Lakers, but they're still probably there's certainly

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Speaker 1: in the in the topic of a kind of a championship.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Moncrief did not have the charisma and

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Speaker 1: the spark one that razzled down a Matt Johnson. But

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Speaker 1: it was it was definitely considered strongly, but also the

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Speaker 1: style that they played. Jeff that it was Showtime? Was

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Speaker 1: Riley a fan of Showtime? Yeah? Well, you know the

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Speaker 1: thing that's interesting is it started. Their first coach was

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Speaker 1: a guy named Jack McKinney. He was a coach. People

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Speaker 1: forget about this. The first coach actually, um Jerry Tarkanian

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be the coach and he Jerry Buss

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Speaker 1: hired Jerry Tarkan. They agreed to it and then and

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Speaker 1: then Jerry Tartinian's agent turned up dead in the trunk

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Speaker 1: of a car, and that Tarkanian decided not to take

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Speaker 1: the Job's true story. Then they hired Jack Is there

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Speaker 1: is there a backstory on that, Jeff That sounds like

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Speaker 1: a movie. Yeah, well, there are a lot of There

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00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: were a lot of mafiostatis, and I forgot exactly what

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Speaker 1: the agent had done, but he did. He crossed some

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Speaker 1: line you weren't supposed to cross and they end up

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Speaker 1: being killed. And this was a close friend of Tartanian,

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Speaker 1: and Tarkanian decided he couldn't take the job. There's too

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Speaker 1: much going on. Blah blah blah, blah blah. But then

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Speaker 1: they hired Jack mckinne, who had been a long time

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Speaker 1: Saint Joe's assistant head coach, Jack Ramsey's assistant in Portland.

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Speaker 1: He's the head coach and everything's going great, and he

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Speaker 1: puts in this system that became known as showtime. And

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Speaker 1: I think it was fourteen games or eleven games into

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Speaker 1: his first season, it's a day off. He has one

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Speaker 1: assistant coach in the quaint days of the NBA, Paul

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Speaker 1: west Head. They're going to play tennis. Jack McKinney is

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Speaker 1: riding his bike to meet Paul West. Head falls head

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Speaker 1: over heroes, lands on his head. It's amazing how this

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Speaker 1: was so quaint of the day's amba. He was a

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Speaker 1: John Doe in the hospital, the head coach of Lakers.

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Speaker 1: There was a John Doe in the hospital. Has suffered

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Speaker 1: severe brain trauma. Paul West said, takes over runs Jack

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Speaker 1: McKinney's system leads the Lakers to the championship. McKinney has

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Speaker 1: never brought back. West said, wears out as welcome quick

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Speaker 1: and Riley comes in. So Riley just kind of resumed

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Speaker 1: the system called. I mean he could started. They start

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Speaker 1: calling it sometime, but it really was Jack McKinney system.

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Speaker 1: Is it Is it one year? I mean it's one season,

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Speaker 1: I should say, as far as HBO. Is that the

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Speaker 1: commitment right now? Um? Yeah, I think so. But I

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Speaker 1: think the plan is to do more than one. Okay, so,

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Speaker 1: um yeah, I don't know what the contractually what is

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Speaker 1: right now, but I think the plan is to do

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Speaker 1: more than one. You get a cameo. I did get

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Speaker 1: a cameo. Do you play yourself in the series, Well,

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Speaker 1: I would have only been like six years old at

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Speaker 1: the time, But did you play they let him my Uh,

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Speaker 1: I played a reporter. My wife, Catherine was Rod Thorne's

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Speaker 1: executive assistant during the draft, and my kids played extras

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Speaker 1: during a scene in a Hollywood set. So it's been

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Speaker 1: really cool that it's been great. I was also wondering

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Speaker 1: we brought this up, like if you were looking at

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Speaker 1: like Kobe and Shock that that feels like that would

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Speaker 1: be an interesting series. I don't know if you right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wrote a book. I wrote a book

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Speaker 1: on the air. If they if they welcome them to

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Speaker 1: option three ring circus, Yeah, yeah, I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with that. I agree with you. Sure, why not? I

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Speaker 1: was wondering, is there another let's say you could pick

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Speaker 1: any other basketball mcleven, Do you have a couple? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, the Lebron Heat team, or

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Speaker 1: maybe the Kevin Durant and the Warriors recently, like a

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Speaker 1: moneyball version of the Warriors. I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: any real drama there Lebron going back to the Calves,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I heard you guys talking about it. I

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Speaker 1: wrote a book. My first book was about the eighty

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Speaker 1: six Mets, and that book has been optioned about seventy

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Speaker 1: three thousand times, and the Mets have always has been

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Speaker 1: a pain and pain in the butt about it. I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping new ownership maybe, but I think the eighty six

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Speaker 1: match great, great story. I don't know if we ever

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Speaker 1: crossed pans, but I was working at CNN and covering

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Speaker 1: the Mets back then, and I like, there's stories I

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Speaker 1: can't tell, but I mean it was crazy. One time

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Speaker 1: I was in Chicago. I can tell this, and this

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Speaker 1: is even bad, but I see Lenny Deistra at the

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Speaker 1: China Club and Lenny has a dip, He's got a cigarette,

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Speaker 1: and he's got a drink, and he had like all

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Speaker 1: the vices, well all the vices I knew of back then,

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Speaker 1: but he had it all gone on. And I just

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Speaker 1: remember whenever you were around these people, they were all

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Speaker 1: there were a big person even Gary Carter, you know,

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Speaker 1: kid was straight as can be, but he was a

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Speaker 1: big personality. Then you had Gooden who was private, you know,

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Speaker 1: Strawberry you never quite sure, Keith Hernandez, I was never

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Speaker 1: quite sure, Roger McDowell, you know, Danny Heap, Jest, Like,

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Speaker 1: there were all these personalities here. How did you kind

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Speaker 1: of keep track of you know who to go to

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Speaker 1: and who not to go to. I just want to

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Speaker 1: say I just said to someone the other day, and

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Speaker 1: I beg you'd agree with this. If you had said

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Speaker 1: to someone in nineteen eighty six, which of these players

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Speaker 1: is going to pass first? Gary Carter would have been

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Speaker 1: the last guy in that list. Yeah, it just would

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Speaker 1: have been the last guy. He was a straight, living

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Speaker 1: clean blah blah blah blah blah. My favorite dikestra is

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Speaker 1: they were at a golf club one time and there

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Speaker 1: were a bunch of priests in the golf club. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, I plank golf or whatever, and in

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Speaker 1: the clubhouse and then he dister goes to a friend

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Speaker 1: watch this, and he walks up to the priest, lifts

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Speaker 1: a leg and just drops a huge far in front

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Speaker 1: of the priests, like he was the most vile but entertaining.

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Speaker 1: He'd be a great character in a movie. I think

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Speaker 1: that that that team was just stuffed with characters, as

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Speaker 1: you noted, But you had eighty six mets eighty six

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Speaker 1: New York Giants and they only won one. And I

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Speaker 1: kept thinking both of those underachieved with the talent that

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Speaker 1: they had. But if you had lt with Parcels and

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Speaker 1: the Giants. That might have been an interesting one as well.

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Speaker 1: So you got a great yeah, Well, good luck with this, Jeff. Congrats.

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Speaker 1: It's a great book. It's a showtime Magic Cream Riley

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Speaker 1: in the La Laker Dynasty of the nineteen eighties, and

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Speaker 1: now it's been greenlit by HBO. Thank you, Jeff, all right,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, all right, we'll take a break. We'll come

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Speaker 1: back after this dick by talent about forty minutes from now,

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Speaker 1: the Cage Fury Fighting Championships Thursday night in Philly. Is

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Speaker 1: MMA fighter name and our pronunciation katag Pleev. And he

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Speaker 1: was fighting a guy named Devin Goodell. In the first round,

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Speaker 1: they were, you know, battling each other and their gloves

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Speaker 1: of socket. You could see he's having trouble with his

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Speaker 1: finger as they go between rounds. In the second round,

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Speaker 1: Pliev his finger was ripped off from the middle knuckle,

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Speaker 1: off to the point it was bleeding all over. I

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Speaker 1: was okay, just get to the update. During the breaking

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Speaker 1: rounds two and three, the PA announcer asked people to

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Speaker 1: look for the missing finger because they thought it made

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Speaker 1: flown off into the row. One or two of the crowd.

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Speaker 1: People were stopped. They stopped about to look for the finger.

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Speaker 1: The finger was eventually found inside Pleev's glove. Goodell was Goodale.

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Speaker 1: It was stuck in his glove. That's how kind of

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Speaker 1: in a blanket to incidentally, Goodale was declared the winner

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Speaker 1: by TKO. If you lose a finger, you should should

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Speaker 1: be like a push yes, and they stopped selling chicken

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Speaker 1: fingers confusion while people try to find where it was.

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Speaker 1: Pliev was rushed to the hospital. They didn't take them

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Speaker 1: The finger was reattached, but because of the torn tendency,

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Speaker 1: finger off. Good to go. Who's interested in pigs in

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Speaker 1: out of baseball before age twenty nine. Final Hour coming up,

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