WEBVTT - Work in Progress: Michelle Obama: The Conversation Continues… 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:17.439 Welcome back everyone. Our conversation with Michelle Obama continues. I 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.960 think your point about the fear, you know, it's so 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.480 human to not want your children to hurt. And it's interesting, 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.880 I've never talked about this, but you're illuminating something for 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.040 me that in my adulthood, my mom and I have 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.839 been healing because my mom went through a really you know, 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.080 my mom did not grow up the way I did. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.040 She did not have, you know, the life that I did. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.480 She went through you know, immigration with her own mother, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:51.000 the classic beautiful Elis Island story, but the reality was hard, 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.400 and you know, she lived in a housing project in 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.080 the Bronx and sometimes had nothing to eat but a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.600 piece of bread and salt that she would make into 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:03.520 a sandwich. And my mom had such fear about me 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.200 suffering the way she suffered, that there were ways she 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.000 tried to protect me. And it took a while for 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.600 us to come back around, for her to not understand 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.080 why I was doubting myself in this really important moment, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.959 and for us to unpack that. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:22.240 I knew she. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.520 Loved me, but I didn't always think she trusted me. Yeah, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.080 And so I hadn't really learned how to trust myself. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.600 And in that moment, we had this breakthrough as two women, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.399 and I learned about these things that happened in her 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.680 childhood that she had shame about, that she never wanted 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.560 to tell me about because she never wanted me to 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.760 be scared that it would happen to us, because come 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.240 hell or high water, she wouldn't let it. And it 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.680 was this moment where she saw me as more human, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.840 I saw her as more human, and we both were like, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.560 whoa you know? And then what will the next generation 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.320 of children have? Because we have these tools? And I 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.040 think there's such beauty in your willingness to share it 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.080 in the stories you've told us, in the books, in 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.800 the stories you're telling right now. Can I ask you 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.840 a bit of a humorous question, only because I am 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.359 now lucky enough to not only love the best person 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.919 in the world, but the best person in the world 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.320 came with the two best kids. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:18.560 In the world. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:25.520 And like Toddler, math is crazy, you know, And there 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.440 are moments where I'm like, how. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.240 Do I I am an actor? 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.120 I can make up a story, right, Like, how do 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.079 I tell a story that is going to get this 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.760 child to survive or sleep through the night or whatever. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.280 So if you don't mind me asking now that they're 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:47.040 grown ish, like, what's the craziest lie or tall tale 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.240 you and Barack had to tell your kids to get 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.160 them to do something when they were little. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.600 Oh my goodness, that is a great question. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.480 So like, I don't know if there was a monster 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:58.240 under the bed. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.040 You know. Again, some of the you know, Robinson wisdom 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:08.280 was that our parents talk to us pretty straight about things. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.920 My kids will tell you I am a notorious lecturer. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:14.560 Right. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.640 Sometimes they'd be like, oh my god, I'm in trouble, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.080 and we would it's a sit down and you have 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:25.920 a conversation about what happened, you know. So a bedtime 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:31.600 conversation would be first of all, you have to sleep 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.200 in your bed because you can't sleep with me forever, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:42.920 and none of us get any sleep, so we all 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.280 have to go to sleep. You're right down the hall. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.040 I know you're going to be scared, but guess what 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.160 you can get through. I mean, these are the kind 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.240 of conversation. So I didn't tend to tell a tale. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.400 I actually talked about why it was important. And my 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.320 mom always says this. Sometimes we don't give our kids 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.320 credit for just really being able to hear the truth 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.480 that you know, and because sometimes that takes time, you know, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.720 there was often that because I said so for sure, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.279 But I tended to try to explain why do we 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.240 have to eat vegetables? I mean, you really do neat 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.360 fiber and roffage, and you don't like it because your 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.320 taste buds haven't, but you have to take a couple 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.480 of bites. You have to eat some of it, and 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.159 you're gonna sit there until you do. And I'm going 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.000 to try to make vegetables that you like. But part 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.240 of dinner is the vegetable and if you don't eat 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.159 the vegetable, you don't get the dessert. And then sticking 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.719 with it. So I tended to, you know, as my 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.000 kids would say, we would have conversations about everything because 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.039 I just assume that I really explained it. I gave 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.880 my kids credit for being bright, not brighter than most, 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.360 but I think all kids are really smart, and I 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.920 think that they can understand explain it at their age, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.880 their terms, their what have you, their their way of 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.560 seeing the world. You know your kid better than anyone. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.080 You know what they know, You know how to talk 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.719 to them. And I always felt Barack and I always 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.400 felt like we could talk to the girls and just 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.159 explain the bigger picture because I think if they I 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.279 always felt like if they understood the context, then at 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.159 least they could work with all the information. You know, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.320 I love that, So I tended not to make up 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.920 too much stuff. But I'm sure there's something that I'm 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.560 just not remembering. Well, I'll have to check with Malia 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.160 and Sasha and get back to you on Oh. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.440 I can't wait to hear if they if they have 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.719 any stories. Well, and now that you know, as you mentioned, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.279 they're in LA, they're out having careers in the world. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.480 It must be so incredible to watch, you know, as 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.080 a mom these adults they have grown into. And I 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.680 also bet being an empty nester is kind of because like, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:02.560 you get to do whatever you want. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.600 What is your nine to five? Who are you going 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.560 to cocktails with? 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.560 Like I want to know what your life and your 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.240 social life looks like right now? 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:15.720 Man, it is whatever I want, Sophia, It's whatever I want. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.359 It's the f I love it for you in my 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.160 life that all of my choices are for me. But 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.560 it's also a little scary because as a mom and 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.160 a busy person I always had. It was somebody else's excuse. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.560 Why didn't I do this? Why haven't I gone there? Well, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.919 I have to make sure the girls are okay, or 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.920 my husband's president, so I can't. I can't do that. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.880 That's a good get out of jail free card. I'm 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.120 so sorry, I can't come. I'm married to the president. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.960 Yeah, it's like so, so now you know, I can't 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.359 blame my decisions and indecisions on anyone other than me. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.280 And I don't know about a lot of your listeners, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.120 but as a woman, I think if I'm honest with myself, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.720 I could have made a lot of these decisions years ago. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:08.160 But I didn't give myself that freedom, you know, I 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:13.240 you know, maybe I maybe even as much as I 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.320 let my kids live their own lives, I use their 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.480 lives as an excuse for why I couldn't do something. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.200 And now that's gone, and so now I have to 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.120 look at my I get to look at my calendar, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.000 which I did this year was a real big example 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.520 of me myself looking at something that I was supposed 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:40.200 to do, you know, without naming names, and I chose 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.680 to do what was best for me, not what I 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.600 had to do, not what I thought other people wanted 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.960 me to do. And between you and me, that was 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.520 an important test for me just as a woman, as 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:00.040 an independent person, because like all women on all a 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.120 lot of people, I operate from guilt. What should I do? 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.720 What is the best thing for everybody else? Right? Because 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.200 it's easier for me to say, well, I did this 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.320 because it was what I was supposed to do. Right. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.440 Yes, we'll be back in just a minute. But here's 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.600 a word from our sponsors. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:29.040 My therapist gave me this trick that has really illuminated 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.240 this for me because we were talking about stress and 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.160 busy and this and that, and I said, you know, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.440 and I need to do this and I need to 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:35.800 do that. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:37.880 And he said, stop saying. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.240 Need to What do you want to do? What do 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.200 you do that you want to do? And how many 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.839 things that you actually want to do? Do you tell 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.920 yourself you need to do so you guilt yourself into 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.720 doing them on time? And that was like a woe 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.400 for me. Yeah, yeah, is tennis one of your wants 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.000 to dos on your calendar. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.880 Is an absolute want to do? Because first I don't 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:06.280 want to do cardio and you know I have just 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.120 realized I don't like just straight cardio, but I love 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.200 learning how to do something else right, and I love 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.760 getting cardio. I'm trying to figure out how to hit 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.720 a two handed backhand with top spin. Right. The time 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.440 goes by, right, and before you know it, I've sweated 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.760 for ninety minutes and I've had to unpack something, and 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.120 I've been able to take my mind off of everything 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.520 else other than watch that ball. Watch the ball, hit 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.800 it low, swing up, finish your swing state facing sideways. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.960 I mean, I just find that to be a bit meditative. Right, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.280 So tennis is look right now, this podcast, I amo 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.800 is what I want to do. It's not what I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.640 have to do, It's what I want to do. And 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.280 I think a lot of this also has to do 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.920 with me losing my mom this year, right, and they 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.760 is just she was our last elder, right, and now 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.200 we're it and me and Craig, my brother, are looking 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.920 at each other like, oh okay, we ready for this. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.080 But I feel like it's time for me to make 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.000 some big girl decisions about my life and to own 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.200 it fully, right, because if not now, when what am 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.280 I waiting for? What am I going to spend the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.760 next twenty years, you know, because look the you know, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.640 the summers are. We're in summer countdown at sixty one, right, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.920 it's not so tragic, you know if something happens to 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:41.320 you and you're eighty, right, So you know, now is 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.679 the time for me to start asking myself these hard 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.760 questions of who do I want? Who do I truly 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.280 want to be every day? And that changes? So who 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.800 do I want to have a lunch with? How long 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.400 do I want to stay in a place? Do I 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.760 want to travel? If a girlfriend calls and says let's 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:03.079 go here, I can say yes, I can't. And I'm 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.520 trying to do that more and more. So what does 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.880 it look like? It looks like whatever I want it 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.320 to look like. And I still find time to you know, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.920 give speeches, to be out there in the world, to 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.080 work on projects. I still care about girls' education. We 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.680 you know, the library is opening in a year from now. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.960 Certain things I am and am not doing with the library. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.920 But the interesting thing is that when I say no, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.959 for the most part, people are like, I get it, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.920 and I'm okay, right, And that's the thing that we 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.000 as women, I think we struggle with, like disappointing people. Yeah, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.080 you know, I mean so much so that this year 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.000 people were you know, they couldn't even fathom that I 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.520 was making a choice for myself. That they had to 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:54.240 assume that my husband and I are divorcing, you know, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.720 that this couldn't be a grown woman just making a 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.920 set of decisions herself, right right. But that's what that's 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.360 what society does to us. We start actually finally like going, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.839 what am I? What am I doing? You know, what 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.960 am I doing this for? And if it doesn't fit 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.040 into the sort of stereotype of what people think we 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.360 should do, then it gets labeled as something negative and horrible. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.280 Yeah, well, there's always got to be drama if it 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.760 doesn't look like other people's choices. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:29.840 Yeah. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.720 And I think for you, really, for both of you 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:39.040 as a as a you know, viewer from the outside, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.040 but a person who's been honored to know you for 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:41.840 a long time. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.000 I'm just like, God, look at them being happy. I 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.120 love this. You're back and forth to Hawaii. Please let my. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.160 Life be so dramatic on my sixty first birthday. Can 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:59.120 I just tell you, speaking of life choices and the 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.600 irony is you reminded me of my own. You are 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.600 telling so many amazing stories. You're producing so much beautiful content. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.480 The books are gorgeous. I can't wait to come to 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.000 the library. I will sob you know this about a 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.920 week and you will be like, it's not even your 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.160 library came down, But I will cry. But one of 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.000 the things that has tickled me and touched me so 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.559 immensely in the last year is one of your many projects. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:30.520 It's The Later Daters. I have sobbed every episode. And 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.439 let me tell you something. It's because it takes what 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.679 we should do and gives us what we could do. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.000 It is a story turning love on its head. And 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.200 I did the thing that we do as women, and 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.520 I did everything I was supposed to do for everybody else. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.240 And I did the checklist that Steve Harvey told me 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.200 to make, and I showed up and I did the coaching, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:54.960 and I did the classes, and I did the therapy, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.520 and I built the life. And I got to the 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.040 end of the list and I was like, I am 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.600 so sad and miserable. I am going to exit my 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.520 own life stage left and I'm going to start over. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.760 And I was like, can I do this at forty Yeah? 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.800 And then you're out here making the show about people 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.320 in their elder years finding love. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.079 And I was like, we can do it anytime. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.320 Man, How fly are these people? 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:16.720 I mean they're amazing. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.200 They are just you know, and full of confidence, especially 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:21.720 the women. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.920 Yes, what made you want to do this? 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.480 Well? You know higher ground our production company, you know, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.000 we are all things. You know, that's the whole point 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.680 of storytelling is embracing all types of storytelling, not just 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.720 sort of the tear jerker, serious kind of documentary things, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.160 which are very important. We've done some amazing stuff in 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.680 that category. But it's about touching everyone in every way. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:55.800 And unscripted programming is it's an important genre now. Reality 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.960 TV is a part of life, and I'm a fan 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:03.320 of reality TV, and so it was very important for 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.680 our company to reflect not just my husband's taste, but 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.280 mine as well. But I said to our team, but 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.360 there's a way that I want to do it. You know, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.440 it's got to be about learning, it's got to be 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:23.800 about that adding value. And at my age, my friends 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.400 who are not married, they are the later daters. And 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.200 we spent a lot of time sitting around talking about 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.400 how do you get back out there? What do you do? 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.560 You know, and so I'm just so pleased with the 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.240 production team. We worked with the folks who create Love 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:46.360 on the Spectrum and another Netflix unscripted show, and it's 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.960 one of my favorites, that Queer So when I talked 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.240 on my team about the kind of unscripted stuff that 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.600 I love, you know, I wanted to walk away crying 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.760 and feeling whole. Right. I talked about Queer Eye, you know, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.040 that was those were the models I talked about Love 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.760 on the Spectrum, and I think that our team, you know, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.040 delivered with later daters. And it's such a fun show 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.440 for everyone to watch. I mean, I've sat around watching 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.760 it with my girlfriends. I've sat around watching it with 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.640 my girlfriends and their daughters and they're just it just 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.480 sparks the kind of conversation and it reminds us that 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.880 life goes on. We are we in our fifties and sixties, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.080 plus we are entering our best years, and I want 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.400 women in particular to embrace that part of themselves. So 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.120 I'm very excited. We're hoping that Netflix will renew it. 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.120 You know, we're in conversations now for what a second 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.720 season is. So I will tell all the listeners let 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.440 Netflix know if you like it. It's up to them 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.520 to whether we do a second seases. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.560 So okay, let's get the people listening to the podcast 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.200 posting about this. That's a good side of social media. Yes, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.360 and now a word from our sponsors that I really 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:05.080 enjoy and I think you will too. This is a 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.480 perfect segue into a few rapid fires. I want to 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 ask you what is it? Can be a guilty pleasure 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.040 or just a pleasurable TV show? Is it reality? 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.600 Oh? Oftentimes it is reality, you know, because when I 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.480 go to TV, I just want to turn off. I 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.639 am a you know, well, white Lotus is not reality, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.960 but I am a White Lotus er. I am a 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:35.320 real housewives person. I love the dating shows, you know. Okay, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.240 I don't agree with them all, but you know I 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.360 love to watch. My kids will have me watching the girls. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.520 What's the one where they're all on it in a 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.120 I'm forgetting the name of it, but I only watch 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.160 it with them when the couples are on an island. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:54.159 Is it Love Island? 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:54.800 Love Island? 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.000 Yeah? Where they have the British version and an American version. Yes, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.080 I watched that only with them because I'm as amused 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:08.000 at their feedback and their commentary as I am with 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.880 what's going on? Oh that's so fun, So I'll go 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:20.480 to reality TV if if but I loved uh what 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:26.400 was this? Is my my menopause? Bring? Uh uh uh? 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.520 Running Point? The new Basketball? 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.080 Yes, so good? 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.160 And what was the one about the see I'm so 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.960 bad with names. The nobody wants. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.720 This fabulous And the resurgence of Adam Brody I mean 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:45.080 my our early Aunts boyfriend. That felt really really nice 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.240 for me for sure, And I love. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:52.840 Shrinking my favorite favorite with Harrison Forward. That whole past 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.040 is amazing. I love that showrunner. I'm a ted Lasso fan. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.800 To me too, me too, So those. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.359 Are that the kind of I need light. And Barack 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.320 and I we sometimes argue over what can we watch 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.640 jointly because he likes death and darkness and then every 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.040 I said, you know, you like the plots where everybody's 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.000 sad and then they die. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.120 Wait, but this is like Ashland and I. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.480 I want to watch a rom com because I'm exhausted 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.960 at all she wants to watch is murder dyline, Yeah, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.560 documentaries about murder. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.520 I'm like, this is a trauma response. I don't know 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:29.960 what we're. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:30.440 Doing to break. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.240 I want to have a cocktail and laugh while we 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:32.840 watch TV. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.800 And I'm also like a big HGTV fan because that's 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.280 like my golf. Okay, Barrock puts on golf, like to 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.000 have the sound off if I just need the TV 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.280 on at home, Reno, I love all of them. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.000 Do you watch In with the Old on HBO Max? 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.840 No, I haven't seen that. Tell me about that. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.320 Oh, it is a home renovation show. The whole thing 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.919 is that an every episode they go to some different 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.960 city in the country and you watch a couple, a family, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.359 parent and child renovate an old historic property. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.360 I've seen the previews. I have to watch one of those. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:13.959 I'm obsessed. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.480 Okay, all right, I'm obsessed with it. Okay, we've stayed 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.880 on TV for a day. Sorry, Okay, are you coffee 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:24.000 or tea, tea caffeinated or cam a meal in. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.520 The morning and then like once a week I'll do 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:28.400 an espresso. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.000 Oh oh, she spices it up a little bit. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.760 I'm not I'm not a big I don't need caffeine. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.919 I don't you know. What I will do is like 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.400 if I'm doing a speech or I need a pick 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.399 me up, I literally take a sip of a diet 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.879 doctor pepper or a diet coke. I can't drink a 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.800 whole one, so I don't need caffeine or sugar that much. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.359 I don't find that I drag in the morning, you know, 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.879 So I drink tea because it's I put honey in it, 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.520 and it's like it's a little okay. 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.040 That's that that you don't need coffee in the morning. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:07.200 That's that Robinson motivation, early alarm clock training. She's got 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.560 it up. What is your go to cocktail or? Is 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:11.600 it a glass of wine? 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:17.719 Oh, vodka? Martini? Dry, straight up olives all very cold, 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:23.760 very girl barely any vermouth. I love very dry. He 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.720 introduced me to that drink. I didn't drink drinks until 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.880 I started dating him, and then he dated or ordered 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.400 a martini in one of our first dates, and I thought, ooh, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.439 so fancicated. He's a man about town. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.560 Martini is also such a sexy date drink. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.560 It is, and it's so clean, and I love the glass. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.200 And olives aren't bad if you're hungry. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.040 They're really not. It's nice to have a snack and 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:49.640 a cocktail. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.480 Just before the pandemic started, I was on this trip, 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.639 I went to Paris for a week with my best 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.280 gay with my best gay guy friend, and we were 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:58.960 like having a time being like, oh, wouldn't it be 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:00.199 cute if we were in love with each other? 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:01.280 We are but not like that. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.440 And we were having martinis and we were like, should 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.040 we move here this summer? Are we going to meet 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.000 the loves of our lives in Paris? And then the 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.720 world shut down. We were like, well, well, well we'll 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.640 always have Paris. Like in the movies, if there were 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:18.000 to be a museum about you and your life, what 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.040 would the merchant the gift shop to be, Oh, you know, 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.320 other than a nice martini shaker. 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.560