Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone. Our conversation with Michelle Obama continues. I
Speaker 1: think your point about the fear, you know, it's so
Speaker 1: human to not want your children to hurt. And it's interesting,
Speaker 1: I've never talked about this, but you're illuminating something for
Speaker 1: me that in my adulthood, my mom and I have
Speaker 1: been healing because my mom went through a really you know,
Speaker 1: my mom did not grow up the way I did.
Speaker 1: She did not have, you know, the life that I did.
Speaker 1: She went through you know, immigration with her own mother,
Speaker 1: the classic beautiful Elis Island story, but the reality was hard,
Speaker 1: and you know, she lived in a housing project in
Speaker 1: the Bronx and sometimes had nothing to eat but a
Speaker 1: piece of bread and salt that she would make into
Speaker 1: a sandwich. And my mom had such fear about me
Speaker 1: suffering the way she suffered, that there were ways she
Speaker 1: tried to protect me. And it took a while for
Speaker 1: us to come back around, for her to not understand
Speaker 1: why I was doubting myself in this really important moment,
Speaker 1: and for us to unpack that.
Speaker 2: I knew she.
Speaker 1: Loved me, but I didn't always think she trusted me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I hadn't really learned how to trust myself.
Speaker 1: And in that moment, we had this breakthrough as two women,
Speaker 1: and I learned about these things that happened in her
Speaker 1: childhood that she had shame about, that she never wanted
Speaker 1: to tell me about because she never wanted me to
Speaker 1: be scared that it would happen to us, because come
Speaker 1: hell or high water, she wouldn't let it. And it
Speaker 1: was this moment where she saw me as more human,
Speaker 1: I saw her as more human, and we both were like,
Speaker 1: whoa you know? And then what will the next generation
Speaker 1: of children have? Because we have these tools? And I
Speaker 1: think there's such beauty in your willingness to share it
Speaker 1: in the stories you've told us, in the books, in
Speaker 1: the stories you're telling right now. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a bit of a humorous question, only because I am
Speaker 1: now lucky enough to not only love the best person
Speaker 1: in the world, but the best person in the world
Speaker 1: came with the two best kids.
Speaker 3: In the world.
Speaker 1: And like Toddler, math is crazy, you know, And there
Speaker 1: are moments where I'm like, how.
Speaker 2: Do I I am an actor?
Speaker 1: I can make up a story, right, Like, how do
Speaker 1: I tell a story that is going to get this
Speaker 1: child to survive or sleep through the night or whatever.
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind me asking now that they're
Speaker 1: grown ish, like, what's the craziest lie or tall tale
Speaker 1: you and Barack had to tell your kids to get
Speaker 1: them to do something when they were little.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that is a great question.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know if there was a monster
Speaker 2: under the bed.
Speaker 3: You know. Again, some of the you know, Robinson wisdom
Speaker 3: was that our parents talk to us pretty straight about things.
Speaker 3: My kids will tell you I am a notorious lecturer.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they'd be like, oh my god, I'm in trouble,
Speaker 3: and we would it's a sit down and you have
Speaker 3: a conversation about what happened, you know. So a bedtime
Speaker 3: conversation would be first of all, you have to sleep
Speaker 3: in your bed because you can't sleep with me forever,
Speaker 3: and none of us get any sleep, so we all
Speaker 3: have to go to sleep. You're right down the hall.
Speaker 3: I know you're going to be scared, but guess what
Speaker 3: you can get through. I mean, these are the kind
Speaker 3: of conversation. So I didn't tend to tell a tale.
Speaker 3: I actually talked about why it was important. And my
Speaker 3: mom always says this. Sometimes we don't give our kids
Speaker 3: credit for just really being able to hear the truth
Speaker 3: that you know, and because sometimes that takes time, you know,
Speaker 3: there was often that because I said so for sure,
Speaker 3: But I tended to try to explain why do we
Speaker 3: have to eat vegetables? I mean, you really do neat
Speaker 3: fiber and roffage, and you don't like it because your
Speaker 3: taste buds haven't, but you have to take a couple
Speaker 3: of bites. You have to eat some of it, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna sit there until you do. And I'm going
Speaker 3: to try to make vegetables that you like. But part
Speaker 3: of dinner is the vegetable and if you don't eat
Speaker 3: the vegetable, you don't get the dessert. And then sticking
Speaker 3: with it. So I tended to, you know, as my
Speaker 3: kids would say, we would have conversations about everything because
Speaker 3: I just assume that I really explained it. I gave
Speaker 3: my kids credit for being bright, not brighter than most,
Speaker 3: but I think all kids are really smart, and I
Speaker 3: think that they can understand explain it at their age,
Speaker 3: their terms, their what have you, their their way of
Speaker 3: seeing the world. You know your kid better than anyone.
Speaker 3: You know what they know, You know how to talk
Speaker 3: to them. And I always felt Barack and I always
Speaker 3: felt like we could talk to the girls and just
Speaker 3: explain the bigger picture because I think if they I
Speaker 3: always felt like if they understood the context, then at
Speaker 3: least they could work with all the information. You know,
Speaker 3: I love that, So I tended not to make up
Speaker 3: too much stuff. But I'm sure there's something that I'm
Speaker 3: just not remembering. Well, I'll have to check with Malia
Speaker 3: and Sasha and get back to you on Oh.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear if they if they have
Speaker 1: any stories. Well, and now that you know, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: they're in LA, they're out having careers in the world.
Speaker 1: It must be so incredible to watch, you know, as
Speaker 1: a mom these adults they have grown into. And I
Speaker 1: also bet being an empty nester is kind of because like,
Speaker 1: you get to do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: What is your nine to five? Who are you going
Speaker 2: to cocktails with?
Speaker 1: Like I want to know what your life and your
Speaker 1: social life looks like right now?
Speaker 3: Man, it is whatever I want, Sophia, It's whatever I want.
Speaker 3: It's the f I love it for you in my
Speaker 3: life that all of my choices are for me. But
Speaker 3: it's also a little scary because as a mom and
Speaker 3: a busy person I always had. It was somebody else's excuse.
Speaker 3: Why didn't I do this? Why haven't I gone there? Well,
Speaker 3: I have to make sure the girls are okay, or
Speaker 3: my husband's president, so I can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's a good get out of jail free card. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, I can't come. I'm married to the president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like so, so now you know, I can't
Speaker 3: blame my decisions and indecisions on anyone other than me.
Speaker 3: And I don't know about a lot of your listeners,
Speaker 3: but as a woman, I think if I'm honest with myself,
Speaker 3: I could have made a lot of these decisions years ago.
Speaker 3: But I didn't give myself that freedom, you know, I
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I maybe even as much as I
Speaker 3: let my kids live their own lives, I use their
Speaker 3: lives as an excuse for why I couldn't do something.
Speaker 3: And now that's gone, and so now I have to
Speaker 3: look at my I get to look at my calendar,
Speaker 3: which I did this year was a real big example
Speaker 3: of me myself looking at something that I was supposed
Speaker 3: to do, you know, without naming names, and I chose
Speaker 3: to do what was best for me, not what I
Speaker 3: had to do, not what I thought other people wanted
Speaker 3: me to do. And between you and me, that was
Speaker 3: an important test for me just as a woman, as
Speaker 3: an independent person, because like all women on all a
Speaker 3: lot of people, I operate from guilt. What should I do?
Speaker 3: What is the best thing for everybody else? Right? Because
Speaker 3: it's easier for me to say, well, I did this
Speaker 3: because it was what I was supposed to do. Right.
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Speaker 1: My therapist gave me this trick that has really illuminated
Speaker 1: this for me because we were talking about stress and
Speaker 1: busy and this and that, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: and I need to do this and I need to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: And he said, stop saying.
Speaker 1: Need to What do you want to do? What do
Speaker 1: you do that you want to do? And how many
Speaker 1: things that you actually want to do? Do you tell
Speaker 1: yourself you need to do so you guilt yourself into
Speaker 1: doing them on time? And that was like a woe
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, yeah, is tennis one of your wants
Speaker 1: to dos on your calendar.
Speaker 3: Is an absolute want to do? Because first I don't
Speaker 3: want to do cardio and you know I have just
Speaker 3: realized I don't like just straight cardio, but I love
Speaker 3: learning how to do something else right, and I love
Speaker 3: getting cardio. I'm trying to figure out how to hit
Speaker 3: a two handed backhand with top spin. Right. The time
Speaker 3: goes by, right, and before you know it, I've sweated
Speaker 3: for ninety minutes and I've had to unpack something, and
Speaker 3: I've been able to take my mind off of everything
Speaker 3: else other than watch that ball. Watch the ball, hit
Speaker 3: it low, swing up, finish your swing state facing sideways.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just find that to be a bit meditative. Right,
Speaker 3: So tennis is look right now, this podcast, I amo
Speaker 3: is what I want to do. It's not what I
Speaker 3: have to do, It's what I want to do. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of this also has to do
Speaker 3: with me losing my mom this year, right, and they
Speaker 3: is just she was our last elder, right, and now
Speaker 3: we're it and me and Craig, my brother, are looking
Speaker 3: at each other like, oh okay, we ready for this.
Speaker 3: But I feel like it's time for me to make
Speaker 3: some big girl decisions about my life and to own
Speaker 3: it fully, right, because if not now, when what am
Speaker 3: I waiting for? What am I going to spend the
Speaker 3: next twenty years, you know, because look the you know,
Speaker 3: the summers are. We're in summer countdown at sixty one, right,
Speaker 3: it's not so tragic, you know if something happens to
Speaker 3: you and you're eighty, right, So you know, now is
Speaker 3: the time for me to start asking myself these hard
Speaker 3: questions of who do I want? Who do I truly
Speaker 3: want to be every day? And that changes? So who
Speaker 3: do I want to have a lunch with? How long
Speaker 3: do I want to stay in a place? Do I
Speaker 3: want to travel? If a girlfriend calls and says let's
Speaker 3: go here, I can say yes, I can't. And I'm
Speaker 3: trying to do that more and more. So what does
Speaker 3: it look like? It looks like whatever I want it
Speaker 3: to look like. And I still find time to you know,
Speaker 3: give speeches, to be out there in the world, to
Speaker 3: work on projects. I still care about girls' education. We
Speaker 3: you know, the library is opening in a year from now.
Speaker 3: Certain things I am and am not doing with the library.
Speaker 3: But the interesting thing is that when I say no,
Speaker 3: for the most part, people are like, I get it,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay, right, And that's the thing that we
Speaker 3: as women, I think we struggle with, like disappointing people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean so much so that this year
Speaker 3: people were you know, they couldn't even fathom that I
Speaker 3: was making a choice for myself. That they had to
Speaker 3: assume that my husband and I are divorcing, you know,
Speaker 3: that this couldn't be a grown woman just making a
Speaker 3: set of decisions herself, right right. But that's what that's
Speaker 3: what society does to us. We start actually finally like going,
Speaker 3: what am I? What am I doing? You know, what
Speaker 3: am I doing this for? And if it doesn't fit
Speaker 3: into the sort of stereotype of what people think we
Speaker 3: should do, then it gets labeled as something negative and horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's always got to be drama if it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like other people's choices.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think for you, really, for both of you
Speaker 1: as a as a you know, viewer from the outside,
Speaker 1: but a person who's been honored to know you for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, God, look at them being happy. I
Speaker 2: love this. You're back and forth to Hawaii. Please let my.
Speaker 1: Life be so dramatic on my sixty first birthday. Can
Speaker 1: I just tell you, speaking of life choices and the
Speaker 1: irony is you reminded me of my own. You are
Speaker 1: telling so many amazing stories. You're producing so much beautiful content.
Speaker 1: The books are gorgeous. I can't wait to come to
Speaker 1: the library. I will sob you know this about a
Speaker 1: week and you will be like, it's not even your
Speaker 1: library came down, But I will cry. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that has tickled me and touched me so
Speaker 1: immensely in the last year is one of your many projects.
Speaker 1: It's The Later Daters. I have sobbed every episode. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. It's because it takes what
Speaker 1: we should do and gives us what we could do.
Speaker 1: It is a story turning love on its head. And
Speaker 1: I did the thing that we do as women, and
Speaker 1: I did everything I was supposed to do for everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I did the checklist that Steve Harvey told me
Speaker 1: to make, and I showed up and I did the coaching,
Speaker 1: and I did the classes, and I did the therapy,
Speaker 1: and I built the life. And I got to the
Speaker 1: end of the list and I was like, I am
Speaker 1: so sad and miserable. I am going to exit my
Speaker 1: own life stage left and I'm going to start over.
Speaker 2: And I was like, can I do this at forty Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then you're out here making the show about people
Speaker 1: in their elder years finding love.
Speaker 2: And I was like, we can do it anytime.
Speaker 3: Man, How fly are these people?
Speaker 2: I mean they're amazing.
Speaker 3: They are just you know, and full of confidence, especially
Speaker 3: the women.
Speaker 2: Yes, what made you want to do this?
Speaker 3: Well? You know higher ground our production company, you know,
Speaker 3: we are all things. You know, that's the whole point
Speaker 3: of storytelling is embracing all types of storytelling, not just
Speaker 3: sort of the tear jerker, serious kind of documentary things,
Speaker 3: which are very important. We've done some amazing stuff in
Speaker 3: that category. But it's about touching everyone in every way.
Speaker 3: And unscripted programming is it's an important genre now. Reality
Speaker 3: TV is a part of life, and I'm a fan
Speaker 3: of reality TV, and so it was very important for
Speaker 3: our company to reflect not just my husband's taste, but
Speaker 3: mine as well. But I said to our team, but
Speaker 3: there's a way that I want to do it. You know,
Speaker 3: it's got to be about learning, it's got to be
Speaker 3: about that adding value. And at my age, my friends
Speaker 3: who are not married, they are the later daters. And
Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time sitting around talking about
Speaker 3: how do you get back out there? What do you do?
Speaker 3: You know, and so I'm just so pleased with the
Speaker 3: production team. We worked with the folks who create Love
Speaker 3: on the Spectrum and another Netflix unscripted show, and it's
Speaker 3: one of my favorites, that Queer So when I talked
Speaker 3: on my team about the kind of unscripted stuff that
Speaker 3: I love, you know, I wanted to walk away crying
Speaker 3: and feeling whole. Right. I talked about Queer Eye, you know,
Speaker 3: that was those were the models I talked about Love
Speaker 3: on the Spectrum, and I think that our team, you know,
Speaker 3: delivered with later daters. And it's such a fun show
Speaker 3: for everyone to watch. I mean, I've sat around watching
Speaker 3: it with my girlfriends. I've sat around watching it with
Speaker 3: my girlfriends and their daughters and they're just it just
Speaker 3: sparks the kind of conversation and it reminds us that
Speaker 3: life goes on. We are we in our fifties and sixties,
Speaker 3: plus we are entering our best years, and I want
Speaker 3: women in particular to embrace that part of themselves. So
Speaker 3: I'm very excited. We're hoping that Netflix will renew it.
Speaker 3: You know, we're in conversations now for what a second
Speaker 3: season is. So I will tell all the listeners let
Speaker 3: Netflix know if you like it. It's up to them
Speaker 3: to whether we do a second seases.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's get the people listening to the podcast
Speaker 1: posting about this. That's a good side of social media. Yes,
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Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too. This is a
Speaker 1: perfect segue into a few rapid fires. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you what is it? Can be a guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: or just a pleasurable TV show? Is it reality?
Speaker 3: Oh? Oftentimes it is reality, you know, because when I
Speaker 3: go to TV, I just want to turn off. I
Speaker 3: am a you know, well, white Lotus is not reality,
Speaker 3: but I am a White Lotus er. I am a
Speaker 3: real housewives person. I love the dating shows, you know. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't agree with them all, but you know I
Speaker 3: love to watch. My kids will have me watching the girls.
Speaker 3: What's the one where they're all on it in a
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting the name of it, but I only watch
Speaker 3: it with them when the couples are on an island.
Speaker 3: Is it Love Island?
Speaker 2: Love Island?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Where they have the British version and an American version. Yes,
Speaker 3: I watched that only with them because I'm as amused
Speaker 3: at their feedback and their commentary as I am with
Speaker 3: what's going on? Oh that's so fun, So I'll go
Speaker 3: to reality TV if if but I loved uh what
Speaker 3: was this? Is my my menopause? Bring? Uh uh uh?
Speaker 3: Running Point? The new Basketball?
Speaker 2: Yes, so good?
Speaker 3: And what was the one about the see I'm so
Speaker 3: bad with names. The nobody wants.
Speaker 1: This fabulous And the resurgence of Adam Brody I mean
Speaker 1: my our early Aunts boyfriend. That felt really really nice
Speaker 1: for me for sure, And I love.
Speaker 3: Shrinking my favorite favorite with Harrison Forward. That whole past
Speaker 3: is amazing. I love that showrunner. I'm a ted Lasso fan.
Speaker 2: To me too, me too, So those.
Speaker 3: Are that the kind of I need light. And Barack
Speaker 3: and I we sometimes argue over what can we watch
Speaker 3: jointly because he likes death and darkness and then every
Speaker 3: I said, you know, you like the plots where everybody's
Speaker 3: sad and then they die.
Speaker 2: Wait, but this is like Ashland and I.
Speaker 1: I want to watch a rom com because I'm exhausted
Speaker 1: at all she wants to watch is murder dyline, Yeah,
Speaker 1: documentaries about murder.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a trauma response. I don't know
Speaker 2: what we're.
Speaker 3: Doing to break.
Speaker 2: I want to have a cocktail and laugh while we
Speaker 2: watch TV.
Speaker 3: And I'm also like a big HGTV fan because that's
Speaker 3: like my golf. Okay, Barrock puts on golf, like to
Speaker 3: have the sound off if I just need the TV
Speaker 3: on at home, Reno, I love all of them.
Speaker 2: Do you watch In with the Old on HBO Max?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen that. Tell me about that.
Speaker 1: Oh, it is a home renovation show. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is that an every episode they go to some different
Speaker 1: city in the country and you watch a couple, a family,
Speaker 1: parent and child renovate an old historic property.
Speaker 3: I've seen the previews. I have to watch one of those.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm obsessed with it. Okay, we've stayed
Speaker 1: on TV for a day. Sorry, Okay, are you coffee
Speaker 1: or tea, tea caffeinated or cam a meal in.
Speaker 3: The morning and then like once a week I'll do
Speaker 3: an espresso.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, she spices it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not a big I don't need caffeine.
Speaker 3: I don't you know. What I will do is like
Speaker 3: if I'm doing a speech or I need a pick
Speaker 3: me up, I literally take a sip of a diet
Speaker 3: doctor pepper or a diet coke. I can't drink a
Speaker 3: whole one, so I don't need caffeine or sugar that much.
Speaker 3: I don't find that I drag in the morning, you know,
Speaker 3: So I drink tea because it's I put honey in it,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's a little okay.
Speaker 1: That's that that you don't need coffee in the morning.
Speaker 1: That's that Robinson motivation, early alarm clock training. She's got
Speaker 1: it up. What is your go to cocktail or? Is
Speaker 1: it a glass of wine?
Speaker 3: Oh, vodka? Martini? Dry, straight up olives all very cold,
Speaker 3: very girl barely any vermouth. I love very dry. He
Speaker 3: introduced me to that drink. I didn't drink drinks until
Speaker 3: I started dating him, and then he dated or ordered
Speaker 3: a martini in one of our first dates, and I thought, ooh,
Speaker 3: so fancicated. He's a man about town.
Speaker 2: Martini is also such a sexy date drink.
Speaker 3: It is, and it's so clean, and I love the glass.
Speaker 3: And olives aren't bad if you're hungry.
Speaker 2: They're really not. It's nice to have a snack and
Speaker 2: a cocktail.
Speaker 1: Just before the pandemic started, I was on this trip,
Speaker 1: I went to Paris for a week with my best
Speaker 1: gay with my best gay guy friend, and we were
Speaker 1: like having a time being like, oh, wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: cute if we were in love with each other?
Speaker 2: We are but not like that.
Speaker 1: And we were having martinis and we were like, should
Speaker 1: we move here this summer? Are we going to meet
Speaker 1: the loves of our lives in Paris? And then the
Speaker 1: world shut down. We were like, well, well, well we'll
Speaker 1: always have Paris. Like in the movies, if there were
Speaker 1: to be a museum about you and your life, what
Speaker 1: would the merchant the gift shop to be, Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: other than a nice martini shaker.
Speaker 3: It would be well, you know, it's too soon, but
Speaker 3: there will be a gift book in our museum, especially
Speaker 3: for me, But really too soon to announce it, but okay,
Speaker 3: at some point we'll talk about it. But okay, it
Speaker 3: would probably be be something wearable, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a fashion girl, and I think that everybody would.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves a cute T shirt that's kind of with
Speaker 3: a nice saying, that was kind of cool and edgy,
Speaker 3: you know that that was fitted. You know, it was
Speaker 3: something that I would want to wear right, Yeah, it'd
Speaker 3: probably be a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of the fashion girlies, did you see
Speaker 1: that collab that Micheleen Thomas did with Marfa Stance, that
Speaker 1: jacket company.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, I was like, well, I'm ordering myself to trench goat. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you forever. I also want
Speaker 1: you to go to the beach because you're doing whatever
Speaker 1: you want and you deserve it.
Speaker 3: Well. Right now I want to talk to you so well.
Speaker 1: But this has just been absolutely lovely. Until I can
Speaker 1: take you for a martini somewhere we're in the same city.
Speaker 1: I will let you go back to your day, but
Speaker 1: not before I get to ask you my favorite question
Speaker 1: to ask everyone who graces me with their time. As
Speaker 1: you look at the world ahead, the year ahead, for you,
Speaker 1: what feels like you're working progress?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: For me personally, it.
Speaker 2: Can be personal, professional, anything you want.
Speaker 3: I think I'll stick with personal because right now that's
Speaker 3: what I think I have control over, right and and
Speaker 3: that's what the work is. It's me focusing on being
Speaker 3: the best me that I can be. Because when the
Speaker 3: world feels out of control, when the problems seemed big,
Speaker 3: as I've said, in the light, the best thing is
Speaker 3: to go a little small and to start with what
Speaker 3: you can control. And for me, it's my health, it's
Speaker 3: my mental health, it's my choices, my decisions in life.
Speaker 3: I think I will continue to offer my advice, my
Speaker 3: direction to people. I will tell people to vote, I
Speaker 3: will I will express what I what I think when
Speaker 3: the time comes. But I've learned that I really can
Speaker 3: only control me, and if we all kind of do that,
Speaker 3: control me, my orbit, the girls that I brought into
Speaker 3: the world, my daughter's helping them become amazing people who
Speaker 3: were thoughtful and empathetic and not afraid. You know, if
Speaker 3: we all just did that, we'd be in a good place.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep keep working on the me that
Speaker 3: is always the work in progress, because we are always
Speaker 3: still becoming and that won't change.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, that's the hope, right if we
Speaker 1: if we stop becoming, we're probably dying.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So how lucky are we to be on
Speaker 2: the adventure.
Speaker 3: Let's let's continue to be blessed, to feel blessed and
Speaker 3: grateful for that and find our happiness and joy there
Speaker 3: and not rely on things that are external that we
Speaker 3: don't have control over. We got to redefine what happiness
Speaker 3: is these days, right, And I'm having a lot of
Speaker 3: those conversations with the young people in my life as well.
Speaker 3: It's like, I think we've kind of gotten not a whack.
Speaker 3: And when Craig and I were growing up and your
Speaker 3: mom was growing up, happiness was you got ice cream,
Speaker 3: you know, every now and then, right, you got maybe
Speaker 3: one birthday party your entire life. We were happy because
Speaker 3: we got three toys at Christmas, you know, and we
Speaker 3: were happy. So I'm trying to teach my girls how
Speaker 3: to right size their happiness and not to base it
Speaker 3: on external stuff and likes and influencing and money. It's
Speaker 3: steering us in the wrong direction and it's not making
Speaker 3: us kinder and more empathetic. And I want to lead
Speaker 3: with that and for the people in my orbit, I
Speaker 3: want them to practice that. So I got to keep
Speaker 3: working on it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, babe.
Speaker 2: An absolute joy. It's so nice to see you too.
Speaker 3: Now you have to reciprocate, so you got to come
Speaker 3: and hang out with me and Craig.
Speaker 2: I'd love to.
Speaker 3: And make sure you're We want listeners, we want your
Speaker 3: your folks to listen in and in questions and tell
Speaker 3: us what they think. And you know, if for no
Speaker 3: other reason, they're making me happy because I get to
Speaker 3: talk to them, so it keeps me connected. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Oh well, we can't wait.
Speaker 3: We'll play, we'll do more things.
Speaker 2: All right, indeed, I'm here.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. It's great to be with you.