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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And that was
Speaker 1: more like it ton Sunday at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: And we are back here in the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios Super Bowl Bill along with Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Everson Walls after a forty four one win over
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. And now what a week we
Speaker 1: have in front of us. But let's talk about Sunday.
Speaker 1: That's more like it, right, Mickey, Absolutely, It's like where
Speaker 1: you've been, guys. Can we just you know, just dive
Speaker 1: into that and just talk about that like the whole break,
Speaker 1: you know, through the break. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is fun. This is fun. I got out this month,
Speaker 1: felt like Christmas morning. Have feeling good, not depressed. The
Speaker 1: weather outside cannot depress me today today, even if it's freezing, Yes,
Speaker 1: brizzly Gray, Well, Jerry say after the game, just what
Speaker 1: the doctor ordered? Yes, absolutely for him too, because I
Speaker 1: think he said did he I think on the quote
Speaker 1: sheet was they outplayed my expectations for this game, because
Speaker 1: you know, not that he doesn't have faith in this team,
Speaker 1: but I think the Chicago loss was just a gut
Speaker 1: punch for everybody. I just don't think we realized. And
Speaker 1: you guys, really y'all brought it to my attention last week,
Speaker 1: having that rest, you know, that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: was so naive to that. I think you brought it up, Bob,
Speaker 1: about the three games and what was it twelve and
Speaker 1: then if you look over the course of the whole
Speaker 1: nineteen o four nineteen, we were talking about how unremarkable
Speaker 1: they looked. The body language wasn't there, and when as
Speaker 1: soon as you guys said that, it just kind of
Speaker 1: clicked in my head. I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: the reason, but it seems like they just needed a break,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean an extended break, not just the week.
Speaker 1: They needed that ten days. And what I saw it
Speaker 1: was it wasn't it wasn't Philly. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: that Philly game when they came out of the first
Speaker 1: three game losing streak. But it was a different team,
Speaker 1: a more energetic team, and they played with excitement, they
Speaker 1: played with confidence because what we saw before during the
Speaker 1: three game stretch was just a lot of guys out
Speaker 1: there that looked unsure of themselves. This was not that game.
Speaker 1: This was not that even after the drop by Cooper,
Speaker 1: which was a big drop to me that but I
Speaker 1: could have taking us back down that same road, down
Speaker 1: the same rabbit hole, and it did not. You know,
Speaker 1: we still came back and hey, we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Offensive line, baby, that old line took over this team
Speaker 1: really the way they should and this is the team
Speaker 1: that we'll accustomed to from last year, even two years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody would admit it publicly when I asked
Speaker 1: round about just getting refreshed, like this was a reboot,
Speaker 1: like you were worn out after that New England thing,
Speaker 1: and I kind of got the wink, but no one
Speaker 1: would use it as an excuse. But I think it
Speaker 1: was real. Now we'll find out next week. Can you
Speaker 1: do this now two weeks in a row? Did this
Speaker 1: another ten days? Right? Yeah? Or maybe just having played
Speaker 1: indoors and not in BS weather like they did in
Speaker 1: New England and able to come back and just kind
Speaker 1: of get themselves together, and not just physically probably, but
Speaker 1: mentally too. I mean, I know they say they don't
Speaker 1: hear the noise, but they hear the noise. Right. Your
Speaker 1: coach is under fire, the offensive quadinat or doesn't know
Speaker 1: what he's doing anymore. No one can make tackles. You know,
Speaker 1: you miss nineteen tackles. I don't know who comes up
Speaker 1: with that stat, but that's the one that's thrown around.
Speaker 1: And then in this game you're punishing people with tackles.
Speaker 1: So what's the What happened? How did the switch turn right? Well,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there was something to that, because that's the
Speaker 1: team we thought we knew coming out of training camp.
Speaker 1: My college coach was one of the greatest coaches ever,
Speaker 1: and he got this quote from another great coach, Fatigue
Speaker 1: makes cowards of us. All. So, when you're tired, whether
Speaker 1: it's mentally or physically, you're going to have problems reacting.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have problems with your confidence, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to a problem following through with plays. And that's what's
Speaker 1: going on with the Cowboys. All of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: got written well written, couldn't catch a cold. You down
Speaker 1: his pants in New England. He couldn't reach for anything.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he's snagging like he's Gronkowski or
Speaker 1: somebody or or something. We're showing the highlight right now
Speaker 1: if you're watching. And you said it, Everson, during the week,
Speaker 1: they needed some kind of splash play, something to spark
Speaker 1: this team. And Wit said that was the first time
Speaker 1: in sixteen years he has spiked a football, and it
Speaker 1: was so awkward and he was so awk like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: that thing's going to hurt him sound, But he, you know,
Speaker 1: he that to me was venting all this team's frustration.
Speaker 1: And he said it after the game. Mickey, you just
Speaker 1: said it too. Three games in eleven days and nothing
Speaker 1: goes your way, and they just needed something to get
Speaker 1: him out of it. You're facing third and ten and
Speaker 1: here we go again. We're gonna have to kick a
Speaker 1: field goal in the red zone with the new kicker.
Speaker 1: We just fired our old kicker, and basically Wit said
Speaker 1: screw this, you know, and made a heck of a
Speaker 1: play and that kind of got things got things going. Everson,
Speaker 1: to your point, I just went back quickly and reviewed,
Speaker 1: you know, because everyone talked about the Cowboys playing on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. And the real advantage the Cowboys had back
Speaker 1: in the day playing on Thanksgiving Day was the game
Speaker 1: they played after Thanksgiving Day, which they got the long
Speaker 1: weekend ten days until the next game. And from nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight through nineteen eighty four, over a seventeen year period,
Speaker 1: that Cowboys were fifteen and oh the week after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: had fifteen Thanksgiving Day games from sixty eight to eighty
Speaker 1: four and were unbeaten during that time. Wow, and they
Speaker 1: weren't unbeaten on Thanksgiving Day itself. That yeah, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was amazing. Yeah, it was you know what, both the street.
Speaker 1: Remember that game at Cincinnati. Oh goodness, they the ten
Speaker 1: days after Thanksgiving. It was like fifty one to something.
Speaker 1: Remember the Remember the big the big white fullback. What
Speaker 1: was his name, Killer Brew? Yes, I was gonna say Harmon.
Speaker 1: That's the baseball player the way I just remember the
Speaker 1: big offensive lineman Montoya that's name. Yeah, I remember in
Speaker 1: my face, twenty yards down here and a little bit
Speaker 1: of running back your size Brooks is right behind him, right,
Speaker 1: And that was the worst feeling in the world. I
Speaker 1: felt like Jalen Smith. That's why I know the feeling.
Speaker 1: The big lineman in your face. You can't do anything
Speaker 1: with those guys in your face. Man. You know. Before
Speaker 1: the game on the pregame show, they asked me, what
Speaker 1: what does it take to get this team some confidence?
Speaker 1: I said, they gotta make a play. You gotta make
Speaker 1: some big plays and Witton's play you guys just talked about.
Speaker 1: It was third and ten. They're getting ready to kick
Speaker 1: another field goal, right, and it was like, oh, here
Speaker 1: they go again. You had the drop. Now it's gonna
Speaker 1: you drove with the field goal kicker kick the open
Speaker 1: he kick right. That was a great stuff, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, started this way started this game. Is there
Speaker 1: a better example of Murphy's law than the first two
Speaker 1: things that happened? Right? We was like, go again, they
Speaker 1: can't even get the point and taught us rush unbelievable
Speaker 1: and then he was like, we want to kick and
Speaker 1: then you kick it out about unbelievable. But they made
Speaker 1: the play, you know, and it was somewhat of a
Speaker 1: spectacular play. Then you got the play from Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: and I had looked over the first I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned it last week. Over the first ten games, they
Speaker 1: had forty seven big pass plays twenty yards or more
Speaker 1: in the last three games they had ten. Well, in
Speaker 1: this game total, they had seven big plays of twenty
Speaker 1: yards or more, runs, pass, whatever, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it came back. It disappeared from what they were
Speaker 1: doing almost five or six a game. Then it went
Speaker 1: down to you know, two or three a game. So
Speaker 1: they made plays and you get confidence. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: care if your pilot or if you're you're Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: You can see second effort in almost every run, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of going down with the arm tackle like oh man,
Speaker 1: I was almost you know, now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we were like breaking through, you know, every every running play.
Speaker 1: Now we're breaking through. We're we're not stumbling now you
Speaker 1: know where, we're gaining our balance and we're continuing on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a metaphor for the rest of this
Speaker 1: season really, because that's the way they played. Even even
Speaker 1: Zeke when he was getting hit for what looked like
Speaker 1: a one or two yard game sudden it was five
Speaker 1: right now, given surging forward, he ran possessed and Pollard
Speaker 1: you can forget about this. Oh he's not a between
Speaker 1: the tackles running because he broke a bunch of tackles
Speaker 1: to your point, Jerry said after the game, one of
Speaker 1: the questions he was asked, he used the word physical
Speaker 1: five or six times, and that was their identity. On
Speaker 1: Sunday with the run game and then the run defense,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods coming back had a huge impact in the
Speaker 1: middle of the defensive line. N Lee, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he looked like a warrior out there, just bloodied up.
Speaker 1: Great shot. I take that shot and I signed all
Speaker 1: the graphs on that thing forever. That was typical of
Speaker 1: how he came back to me. That was a redeeming
Speaker 1: game for him. You know, he's been a little bit
Speaker 1: vilified since Thanksgiving. I mean, guys catching, tightening, is catching
Speaker 1: one hand to pass on him. He's back there looking loss.
Speaker 1: Van Duesh goes down. He's missing tackles. Sean Lee's missing tackles.
Speaker 1: This was the game. This was the game. This was
Speaker 1: Sean Lee from I don't think he played this well.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's played this well, meaning just like recognition,
Speaker 1: as far as playmaking and impacting the game, it's gotta
Speaker 1: be about three years. I mean, because he's two years
Speaker 1: since he had an interception, and the interception reminded me
Speaker 1: of him. Early in his career when he picked Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning undercutting those plays recognition, that's what we talked about out. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes you can't be a dummy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know they're setting you up with the short route
Speaker 1: underneath so you can jump that, they're gonna hit it behind.
Speaker 1: You can't get around that. That's just basic offensive football
Speaker 1: against the zone. Not only did Sean Lee figure out,
Speaker 1: I saw some dude back there with braids diving forward
Speaker 1: as well. So you got both of your middle linebackers
Speaker 1: that that wasn't Jeff. That was not Jeff. Now you
Speaker 1: had two middle linebackers about what fifteen years d you know,
Speaker 1: making plays on about recognizing what's going on and delivering
Speaker 1: svil out of that, delivering some thumps too, both of
Speaker 1: them like physical stone setting type of tackles early and
Speaker 1: then a couple behind the line of scrimmage with Woods
Speaker 1: and Tank Lawrence and all of a sudden, now that's
Speaker 1: you got back. You got your identity back there. Somebody
Speaker 1: talked about DNA getting your DNA back. I think Jason
Speaker 1: mentioned it in the locker room post game, And that's
Speaker 1: that's one of them for the dfense. The physicality the
Speaker 1: intensity it was. It was what you saw against Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: And I remember them saying after the game in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: we had to out physical them up front, and that's
Speaker 1: what they did. And that just happened to be the
Speaker 1: last time this is the complimentary football. That's probably the
Speaker 1: other game you can really point to that they did that,
Speaker 1: you know, And remember, Sean Lee didn't practice all week.
Speaker 1: He actually that was the plan, and I found out
Speaker 1: late Friday afternoon that that was the plan, and they
Speaker 1: felt pretty good that he was going to play. That's
Speaker 1: not practicing this week either, so maybe and it was pointing.
Speaker 1: I think Ben Bloom pointed out to me that while
Speaker 1: he didn't practice, he did all the walkthroughs. He said,
Speaker 1: so if you practice, I don't know. He gave me
Speaker 1: a number of how many snaps you might get during practice,
Speaker 1: maybe forty or so fifty something like that, he said,
Speaker 1: But he did everything in the walkthrough, which goes over
Speaker 1: a hundred. He's gonna be the most prepared player off
Speaker 1: the field, so you don't have to worry about, you know.
Speaker 1: And the good thing was they got a lead and
Speaker 1: he didn't have to play half the fourth quarter. I
Speaker 1: think I looked up he had forty um forty three snaps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they took him in jail and out, so and most
Speaker 1: of the guys came out except for the secondary. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just don't go sit down. But I really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: fact that the roof was closed and the sound, you know,
Speaker 1: the doors were open. Now they talked about that like
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. You're the second person to tell
Speaker 1: me that, But that's because they blew their doors on.
Speaker 1: It was okay because you're the second person to team
Speaker 1: me up there. So I just I just thought that
Speaker 1: the crowd themselves the first drive actually surprised me, did it.
Speaker 1: I told you what they were gonna do. Man, they're
Speaker 1: gonna come out, they're gonna support. This is different from
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium, and we talked about that, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not that Texas Stadium. They get the cues when that,
Speaker 1: when that roof is closed. They gave Golf plenty of
Speaker 1: problems on This is more of a blue collar crowd Texas.
Speaker 1: I just thought everybody was fed up and the first
Speaker 1: thing that went wrong they were just gonna turn on them.
Speaker 1: But they started right from doing this and they're they're
Speaker 1: making noise and there weren't a ton of Rams Jerseys
Speaker 1: in the crowd either. I was. I was pleasantly surprised that.
Speaker 1: You know, it is Los Angeles, You know it is
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Time to build a fan base, and whatever
Speaker 1: fan base they had in Saint Louis turned down. They
Speaker 1: don't care about it. The boy they're now Cowboys, fans say,
Speaker 1: And it was so loud that Walt Anderson couldn't hear
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott say defer. He finally said, let's get into
Speaker 1: that and more. And we're gonna hear from Jason garrett
Speaker 1: Is in the postgame locker room when we come back
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Speaker 1: fair to the Midland powerful I was better. We want
Speaker 1: every powerful Everson gets it tomorrow. Let's hear from Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett after the game in the Cowboys locker room. Hey,
Speaker 1: listen off. Just just a hell of a job, guys,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a job. It started on Monday
Speaker 1: when it came in the way we've practiced all week long.
Speaker 1: Your mindsetting, your mentality to come to work, to wake
Speaker 1: in a one day season. That's what we did all
Speaker 1: week long. And then we made it a one game season. Okay,
Speaker 1: we know what was gonna be all about. You guys
Speaker 1: got your mind right, your spirit right, and your body
Speaker 1: right to play the way we played. Okay, we talked
Speaker 1: about recapturing the DNA of our team, about team team
Speaker 1: without display. Today. You guys know where we are though,
Speaker 1: you guys know where all We're right back at it.
Speaker 1: So we talked about it all week long. This one's
Speaker 1: done now it's tomorrow. Tomorrow's a one day season. Yes,
Speaker 1: a big time job. So there you go. One game
Speaker 1: season yesterday and this Monday, a one game season as well,
Speaker 1: What are you going to accomplish, Mickey in this one
Speaker 1: game season today? Make sure that you go over this
Speaker 1: game real quickly and make sure you correct whatever mistakes
Speaker 1: you might have made. Uh, get the kicker out there
Speaker 1: to a happy lock of room. Yeah, God, where they
Speaker 1: captured that? That's about about so music was put in
Speaker 1: the music bet that. I'm sure there was other music
Speaker 1: being great feeling. Man still captured the great feeling. But
Speaker 1: you know what it didn't I mean by time I
Speaker 1: got in there after Jason Garrett finished, I mean, most
Speaker 1: of the guys were gone. It wasn't like there was
Speaker 1: a big celebrate. Did you go in right away? It
Speaker 1: didn't look like a huge celebration going on or no,
Speaker 1: I mean even the but here was the key. The
Speaker 1: offensive linemen were talking. I saw Tyrn Smith do an interview.
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith doesn't do interview with like twenty people around him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he actually spoke like sentences, not just a couple
Speaker 1: of words. He's very shy. I mean, he just would
Speaker 1: rather not do it, and he was into it. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good, good sign all right.
Speaker 1: As far as the way this game started, the coin tosser, guys,
Speaker 1: somebody break this. Everson was at the game. The game,
Speaker 1: so you did not hear what the audio that was
Speaker 1: played during the first half on the Fox broadcast, which
Speaker 1: got the attention of the NFL officials back in New
Speaker 1: York that maybe a mistake had been made here. When
Speaker 1: I heard it, and the first thing I heard Daxy
Speaker 1: is uh, he said, yeah, Cowboys win the toss your choice,
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, we want to kick it that way.
Speaker 1: And I'm the hairs went up on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck. I'm going, no, you don't want to you
Speaker 1: can't say that. And then he and then he came
Speaker 1: back and and and there was a lot of commotions
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, yeah, defer, and we're gonna kick
Speaker 1: it that yeah. And for some reason, wald Anderson had
Speaker 1: never heard her. He heard the first thing, and I
Speaker 1: think he got flustered and and and then it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was so funny talking about it
Speaker 1: after the guy that was a great He said, we
Speaker 1: thought we'd get the adversity out of the way right away.
Speaker 1: Before we got he said, I said a little bit
Speaker 1: at everything. I love that, I said. They asked, what
Speaker 1: do you say? I said, well, I said a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything. And then and then afterwards de Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence confused the whole thing because he goes, that was
Speaker 1: on me. He goes, I was the one in the
Speaker 1: background going kick it, kick it. We want to play defense, right,
Speaker 1: And he was saying that because you see it on
Speaker 1: the video. I think defense. Defense. Yeah, defense. And then
Speaker 1: and then you can see like there was some confusion
Speaker 1: and Jason like was talking to one of the officials.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was Anderson, but it was the
Speaker 1: other the other guy there, and they were going back
Speaker 1: and forth and he called dak over like, hey, what
Speaker 1: did you say? Right? And and so they're kind of
Speaker 1: explaining it to him. Is that and that's your Yeah,
Speaker 1: he liked him a lot. He lives around here. He
Speaker 1: can hear man tell them what you want to say,
Speaker 1: not the first time? And so how about this? So
Speaker 1: this thing is going back and forth on TV now
Speaker 1: during the game because uh, Fox came back and they
Speaker 1: played the audio and shimed in and say, well he
Speaker 1: did say defer. Now is it what he said first?
Speaker 1: Or how are we going to do this right? And
Speaker 1: then when they came back at halftime, Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I got Aaron Andrews. Aaron Andrews said, well, I talked
Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett and he didn't know we had audio
Speaker 1: of it. And then when he talked she talked to
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. He thought they were getting the ball when
Speaker 1: they came out of the locker room. He was convinced
Speaker 1: they were getting the ball, and it was important at
Speaker 1: the end of the first half. You'd like to know
Speaker 1: who's getting the ball to start the second half strategy.
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of up in the air
Speaker 1: until they went to the pool report there with Al
Speaker 1: Riveron in New York. Thank god for Rule fifteen for replay,
Speaker 1: Section three, Article nine. According to Al Rivern, it says
Speaker 1: that we can get involved replay can as far as
Speaker 1: game administration issues. He also said, if you look at
Speaker 1: what happened, and you see that the Cowboys actually say
Speaker 1: three different things, and then we hear at the end
Speaker 1: where they say quote defer. So we go ahead and
Speaker 1: look at it, and they pulled up the audio. Thank
Speaker 1: goodness for instant replay on coin toss well, and thank
Speaker 1: thank god. Among the things that Deck said, he did
Speaker 1: slip in the word defer, which that's that's where a
Speaker 1: common sense comes into play, right where you say defer,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what they meant when you talk about kickoff.
Speaker 1: That's the assumption that you know you you want the
Speaker 1: ball to start the second half. So they were accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah they got it right, went around. Yeah, yeah, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that will not have an issue according
Speaker 1: Toss going forward. Well, we should have our stuff together
Speaker 1: right as we go out, correct, I mean the magic word.
Speaker 1: It sounded like they might have changed their mind, like
Speaker 1: out there, unbeknownst to Jason said yeah, we're gonna play defense.
Speaker 1: We'll show them we're gonna stop. So it's just like
Speaker 1: the first time we've ever heard of audio replay. Wow,
Speaker 1: for me, it is. I mean that's what it was.
Speaker 1: If y'all ever watched the game where you weren't sure
Speaker 1: who was getting the ball to start the second half.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't watched as much football over the
Speaker 1: years now. That was first I missed it. But if
Speaker 1: I would have been in tune, I'm sure that would
Speaker 1: have been extremely confused about this, just as you are now.
Speaker 1: Yeah still can I mean it took Fox too. It
Speaker 1: was close to the end of the first quarter before
Speaker 1: they came back with the audio replay of what he
Speaker 1: actually said. And I'm going, oh, this is going to
Speaker 1: be an interest in Dallas man Riley with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And it was over only over the course of halftime
Speaker 1: before it was resolved in New York. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because Mike Pereira said this, this, this should get fixed,
Speaker 1: but no one came out and said it's fixed until halftime.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Mike Pereira also said that Walt
Speaker 1: Anderson did not handle it, Yeah, the way he should
Speaker 1: have on the field. I mean just ask so you
Speaker 1: are you deferring? Is that what you're saying? If I
Speaker 1: want to kick that great defense, he says that, then
Speaker 1: you're kicking off twice. Yeah. Absolutely, Just think about what
Speaker 1: a disaster that would have been. I mean, they're up
Speaker 1: twenty one seven and a half, but the Rams get
Speaker 1: it again twenty eight. Was it interception? That's right? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: regardless to go on. But Jason Garrett, it was You're
Speaker 1: early on the shoulders of the head, no question about it.
Speaker 1: He can't even he can't even get his quarterback out
Speaker 1: there to say they call him the Jamis Winston of coaching.
Speaker 1: He was just all kind of goofy stuff going on.
Speaker 1: But how about the apparently the Saturday night speech, uh
Speaker 1: got this team going. The team speak from the head
Speaker 1: coach and my players talked about that. It's not a
Speaker 1: sort of baseball team analogy where you have to pick
Speaker 1: each other up and complimentary football game goes along. Something local.
Speaker 1: Is what Jason said on the fan today. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about the Yankees or the Yeah. They asked, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he mentioned it was more high school high school. That's
Speaker 1: what he meant. Yeah, it wasn't one of those Joe
Speaker 1: Biden talks to where you know it was it was
Speaker 1: it was you know, got but it wasn't. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he wasn't going into it. Yeah, they couldn't
Speaker 1: pull it out of him. Okay, So anyway, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how the game started. Yeah about that, I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: And then the kickoff goes out about I see, first
Speaker 1: of all, let's let's not go there. We have a
Speaker 1: freaking kicker, all right. I was very impressed with that.
Speaker 1: I was cold, right, I was very impressed with that guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I down the middle, there was no
Speaker 1: there was no fa bam. True every time, even on
Speaker 1: the extra points, and that was one of his He
Speaker 1: missed one in New England. Yeah, a week or so ago,
Speaker 1: his only game. We were talking before the game, he's
Speaker 1: got to be the most nervous person in the stadium.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's eyes are on you. Yeah, yeah, thank guy.
Speaker 1: There was an extra point, and I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's even more pressure these days. Who first kick is
Speaker 1: an extra point? Would you rather have that or would
Speaker 1: you have rather had him having hit to hit the
Speaker 1: fifty yard the first get the extra I see, those
Speaker 1: are the things if we don't if we don't do that,
Speaker 1: if we don't do well in the red zone, right, wentn' done?
Speaker 1: Make the catch? He's kicking. He's kicking, just sure. And
Speaker 1: do you realize that he the two he made from
Speaker 1: forty two yards That was more forty to forty nine
Speaker 1: yard field goals than they had all season? Wow, they
Speaker 1: only had one. I think Brett was five and for five.
Speaker 1: That's why he's not here, honestly, because it's those money kicks.
Speaker 1: You know, has an NFL record and they got cut
Speaker 1: yeah sixty plus, you know what. But but for Bath
Speaker 1: had that's first time I think we mentioned his name
Speaker 1: for bath kicker, kicker, the kicker he probably is. Well,
Speaker 1: we were sure how long he's gonna be here? Okay,
Speaker 1: he only used their days when they screw up, right,
Speaker 1: it's like the deep snapper. And he said, the good
Speaker 1: thing about this whole deal is is he's been in
Speaker 1: this situation so many times because when he's been signed
Speaker 1: by other teams, it's always mid season, taken over for
Speaker 1: somebody that failed. And he goes, so, I kind of
Speaker 1: used to come in here and getting ready and controlled environment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: controlled environment really, and he said, and I said, so,
Speaker 1: how did things go? You know, the kicker, I mean,
Speaker 1: the holder, the snapper. He goes, Oh, those guys are great.
Speaker 1: And he goes there they were perfect. He goes, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just just put it down and lean it
Speaker 1: this way. And that's all I asked, nothing else. And
Speaker 1: it was kind of the Jason's story to the press
Speaker 1: conference earlier in the week when they had the tryouts
Speaker 1: in ninety three and they brought in like four kickers,
Speaker 1: and Jason said, the first three guys were like, I
Speaker 1: gotta have the ball this way and kind of cocked
Speaker 1: to the side and backed a little. Eddie says and
Speaker 1: then Eddie Murray stepped up and he said, oh, he said,
Speaker 1: how do you like it? Edie said, just put it
Speaker 1: down down right. I mean, that's what I used to
Speaker 1: hear about extra points. It didn't matter if the lay
Speaker 1: flat on, I got to make an extra point, right.
Speaker 1: Drew Pierson told me any passed to him is a
Speaker 1: great pass. Any passed to him is a great Mentalidy,
Speaker 1: That's just it. He he passed to Tony Hill is
Speaker 1: a bad dance where anytime you don't pass to Tony Hill,
Speaker 1: he was open, was always open, which you guys will
Speaker 1: get a kick out of this. I was interviewing Danny
Speaker 1: White before the game. We're doing a story on this
Speaker 1: forty years since Rogers last game, and I said, I'd
Speaker 1: like to touch which was against the Rams, yes, playoff
Speaker 1: game and the regular season regular game was against the Redskins,
Speaker 1: which is going to happen again this year. And so
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, if I can ask you
Speaker 1: a couple of questions about that, He goes, well, you're
Speaker 1: not going to ask me about thirty years since I retire.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, thanks a lot, I said, Danny, I'll
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Speaker 1: game is on the twenty second the game the second
Speaker 1: gavest them Philadelphia Eagles. The NFC Eastern Division championship is
Speaker 1: on the line. The playoff game is dak Prescott said, less.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys made to play for a month. This
Speaker 1: whole thing's gonna come down to Cowboys Eagles on December
Speaker 1: twenty second year. Where we are. We probably said that
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I'm sure. Yes, it always turns
Speaker 1: out to be that way, doesn't it. That's cool put
Speaker 1: ourselves here. It never should have come down to this, No, right,
Speaker 1: and even with the Eagles, the way they're playing, the
Speaker 1: Eagles remind me of the Cowboys without Zeke Elliott. That's
Speaker 1: how much hustle Carson Wentz has to exhibit. You know,
Speaker 1: he's back there just grinding a way. I gotta give
Speaker 1: him some credit. He's back there. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of guys missing it. That's why That's why he's grinding
Speaker 1: because just no one's there. He's looking downfield, no one's
Speaker 1: there to see his desperation. I can appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: really can't, because you know, Philly could, they could have
Speaker 1: phoned it in a long time ago, and they refuse
Speaker 1: to do that. It makes me a little bit nervous
Speaker 1: to come from behind victories like they makes me a
Speaker 1: little bit nervous because there their toughness right now pretty
Speaker 1: much off the charts. That's a great point because because
Speaker 1: they've got something in their gut to still be at
Speaker 1: this point and a lot of people were questioning them.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people have questioned the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: same with the Eagles. But the people talk about their
Speaker 1: locker room being a problem and all this stuff, Well,
Speaker 1: probably not if they're still giving themselves a chance at
Speaker 1: this point. And we were at the game in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, I think when it was a playoff
Speaker 1: playing game and forty four to six. I know it's
Speaker 1: a completely different teams and all that, but that crowd
Speaker 1: up there is gonna be rocking. Oh yeah, And you're right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough environment for Dallas. The Clowds
Speaker 1: gonna be rocking. They're gonna be rocking because it's the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. The Philadelphia Eagles are gonna You're gonna have
Speaker 1: guys making plays they never made in their entire lives
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be so hyped to play against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's what you have to fight against. So that confidence
Speaker 1: that you have right now in the locker room has
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys team. You're gonna have to have all
Speaker 1: of that, that optimism and everything going in there and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I get it. You guys are tough.
Speaker 1: I know you're desperate. I know you're you're in a
Speaker 1: situation that you didn't want to be in. But that's
Speaker 1: not our problem. We're gonna come in here and take
Speaker 1: a business. That's that's got to be their attitude. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's throwing his leading receivers, some guy named Ward junior,
Speaker 1: Greg Ward Junior, former quarterback, University of Houston. What a
Speaker 1: play it was, right? What a play? It was a
Speaker 1: little fade over the time. I mean, come on, so
Speaker 1: he had to have the time, he was under dust.
Speaker 1: He's thrown back on one foot, he floats it up there.
Speaker 1: This guy's five two, Yeah, he goes up and he's
Speaker 1: this high. Name is at least my side. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: met four and he is making a play that he
Speaker 1: has to make, no excuses when they could have made
Speaker 1: many of them. So that's why the team they're making
Speaker 1: me a bit nervous because the hatred that they have
Speaker 1: for us, that's already there, that can be extremely motivating.
Speaker 1: And they ran the ball well, Sanders had one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty some yards rushing, and defensively they gave him
Speaker 1: as many chances. They gave corson wins as many chances
Speaker 1: as he needed. So does anybody want to take a
Speaker 1: shot at how do you go from giving up two
Speaker 1: hundred seventy three yards rushing from twenty two two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty one less than you gave up in the
Speaker 1: playoff game? Got any logical reason why that happened? Well,
Speaker 1: a little bit of incompetence from the rams that always helps. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's almost like what happened to the Cowboys. Defensively, they
Speaker 1: could not stop the Cowboys offense, so therefore Girly became obsolete.
Speaker 1: It's what happened to Zeke. They's last couple of games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what I mean yeah, what did he end up?
Speaker 1: He had eleven twenty yards at the outset the Coys
Speaker 1: touchdown right, but when the game was still in the balance,
Speaker 1: they weren't getting anything. In the run game, he had two.
Speaker 1: He had two yards at halftime. I'm telling you, Antoine
Speaker 1: woods Man. He stepped up five tackles, one for loss.
Speaker 1: And you know he had a torn laborman his shoulder
Speaker 1: in the playoff game last first quarter play played through
Speaker 1: it clearly wasn't himself, and then they've missed him these
Speaker 1: last two games. I mean, I think he definitely made
Speaker 1: an impact for him up front. Hmm. We talk about
Speaker 1: the problems with the linebackers, I would imagine woods hurt us.
Speaker 1: He understood what was going on the If you're gonna
Speaker 1: let these offensive linemen come down on our linebackers and
Speaker 1: burst that bubble and create those gaps, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna allow that, then you should be the
Speaker 1: one to make the tackle. As an interior defensive lineman
Speaker 1: where if you're getting off, you're letting them get off,
Speaker 1: then you should be the person that should replace that
Speaker 1: first level so at the second level won't be a
Speaker 1: problem an head game, and he did I mean he
Speaker 1: had like three tackles in the first series line that's dominated.
Speaker 1: That's one sap type action there. That's saying a lot.
Speaker 1: It was Donald action. Yeah, it set the tone. And
Speaker 1: then how many do y'all see any mistackles in the game? Yesterday?
Speaker 1: I made one? There was nineteen against the Bears, and
Speaker 1: it was one in this game. Wow? Rest rest, Yes,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee felt better. He made all the moves like
Speaker 1: he always did, this time he finished the plays. Jason
Speaker 1: Witten was fresh. Yeah, Jason Witten could reach out and
Speaker 1: his arms could extend. He was warm, he was warm
Speaker 1: all year. Well, he didn't have a strained ankle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember they missed that. They missed that. I think badly so.
Speaker 1: But but the ability to stop the run, And the
Speaker 1: only kind of logical answer I could get was we
Speaker 1: learned what we did wrong in the playoff game and
Speaker 1: we made some schematic changes to what no one would
Speaker 1: say what it was DeMarcus Lawrence. And I heard this
Speaker 1: from Rod Marinelli on Friday, and I said something about
Speaker 1: the run, and I thought he was gonna bite my
Speaker 1: head off, but he was really nice, and he goes,
Speaker 1: it's tempo, he goes, they play at that high tempo,
Speaker 1: and we gotta be in on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: hands down, ready to go. We can't be got to
Speaker 1: be ready to go for them because they might quick
Speaker 1: snap it, or they'll sit there and mill around and
Speaker 1: change the play. He goes, but we gotta be ready
Speaker 1: to go, and DeMarcus Lawrence pointed it out. He said,
Speaker 1: high tempo. Our tempo had to be as high as theirs.
Speaker 1: He said that on Friday too, he said, we know
Speaker 1: what they're going to try to do, right, and we
Speaker 1: can't get thrown off balance by that. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: a very tempo too. Sometimes it's true hurry up. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's kind of a patient tempo and you just have
Speaker 1: to be ready for all of it. I started watching
Speaker 1: and seeing how many times they do it and see
Speaker 1: what was going on after it hit the clock hit
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, and it was like a lot. They changed
Speaker 1: it a few times, but a few times they hung
Speaker 1: in there and they didn't change the place. I have
Speaker 1: to say, I think it's more amazing that we're not
Speaker 1: even talking about Aaron Donald. Yeah, I wouldn't talking you know.
Speaker 1: You know what he had at halftime. He had two
Speaker 1: assisted tackles. And then I think he had one more
Speaker 1: solo tackle uh by the end of the game, so
Speaker 1: he ended up with three total tackles, but two were assisted.
Speaker 1: So those guards in center must have done some total domination, right,
Speaker 1: I had total domination on the one touchdown, sue A
Speaker 1: Feelo caved into the right side and made a huge
Speaker 1: hole for Zeke. If I told you guys before the
Speaker 1: game that the Cowboys top four wide receivers would have
Speaker 1: four catches for eighty three yards, would you would you
Speaker 1: tell me that they would have won this game by what?
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. It wasn't that close and one and
Speaker 1: one of those catches was fifty nine yards, right, so
Speaker 1: it's three for what twenty something? Yeah, Which, again, from
Speaker 1: what you saw from the press box, were they doing
Speaker 1: something to take away downfield? Were they playing more coverage?
Speaker 1: They started off with a lot of they were doubling
Speaker 1: ye with the safety over the top because everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of trying to give the corner Ramsey credit. And
Speaker 1: then they showed the replay and they go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but look at the safety where he's at. He's like
Speaker 1: five yards behind, so it wasn't all him. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then when they showed the other side. Remember the deep
Speaker 1: ball to Gallop. The free safety rotated over and helped,
Speaker 1: like you should have got to help. They don't bring
Speaker 1: that out there, but he filled it in so you
Speaker 1: had to drop it in there right over the corner,
Speaker 1: but before the safety came over. And it didn't work.
Speaker 1: But they were given help on the outside. And that's
Speaker 1: when Troy said, they're gonna have to start using the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and so they used Witten. And
Speaker 1: then they started throwing the little and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: dump off passes to Zeke. They were like on the
Speaker 1: run throws to the outside and and that was working.
Speaker 1: What Zeke had about one hundred and fifty some total
Speaker 1: yards something like that. He catches for forty three. They
Speaker 1: got him in the screen game, blake yack Jarwin two
Speaker 1: catches yards. That's my guy, that's my guy. I'm I
Speaker 1: love me some Witten. But he is just so explosive
Speaker 1: and he eats up yards. He eats up yards and
Speaker 1: he catch the ball. And we've eaten up time here, Cowboys.
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