WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: Ice Core Drilling

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and How the Tech Are Young. We are about to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to a classic episode of tech Stuff. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>originally published in March. It is called ice core Drilling.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool if you asked me, enjoy. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>think about ancient times, so when I come on other shows,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to be able to look to the past sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jonathan, I want to talk to you about Lake Vostock.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So what is Lake Vostock. You've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I know Lake Lanier. Is it near Lake Lanier?

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty close. No, it's a lake in Antarctica. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just any kind of lake. It's a sub

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<v Speaker 1>glacial lake, the biggest one in the world actually. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is a lake that is under a glacier, a

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<v Speaker 1>giant sheet of ice, and that glacier is really thick.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen estimates from about two miles thick to about

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand meters of glacial ice over the lake, which

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<v Speaker 1>would be like two and a half miles. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably different segments where the ice is a different thickness,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been buried in ice for millions of years,

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<v Speaker 1>al right, So in recent decades, scientists have been drilling

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<v Speaker 1>samples of the ice above this lake to study what's

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<v Speaker 1>down there. Um And whenever I picture this lake in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, this lake buried under ancient ice, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>me think of Gollum's Lake under the mountain in the

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<v Speaker 1>Hobbit in the misty Mountains. Yeah, misty mountains. What did

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<v Speaker 1>the lake have a name or was it just where

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<v Speaker 1>the yummy fishes. I don't think it had a specific name.

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<v Speaker 1>If it did, it would have been a Goblin name,

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<v Speaker 1>so I would be, you know, unpronounceable for a mere

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<v Speaker 1>mortal that I am. Oh, I assume you speak Goblin.

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<v Speaker 1>I know grish Nacht is fire. That's the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I can I can rattle off off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>my head. Well, anyway, when scientists drill down into this deep,

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<v Speaker 1>deep Antarctic golem lake below the ice, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>craziest things is that they've found d n A and

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of microbial life. And I remember there were stories

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<v Speaker 1>about how some ice samples indicated there might even be

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<v Speaker 1>more complex life like fish and arthropods in that water. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that was highly controversial at the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>just recently looked it up again to see if there

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<v Speaker 1>were there were any developments on that. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of coverage from Nature News at the time throwing

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<v Speaker 1>some serious doubts on the on the live fish and

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<v Speaker 1>arthropods claim. So that's I'm sure not all that widely accepted,

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<v Speaker 1>but just the idea of it is so cool that

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<v Speaker 1>you have this completely sealed off ancient alien life in

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<v Speaker 1>this lake below a mountain of ice, and things like

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<v Speaker 1>that make me think about deep time, Like how ice

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<v Speaker 1>is a cross section of geological time on Earth right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there is layer upon layer of evidence of what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened in the past. Yeah. And and just in

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<v Speaker 1>case people are curious, like how could a subglacial lake

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<v Speaker 1>remain Why would you call that a lake? Why would

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<v Speaker 1>that not just be another part of the glacier. Why

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't that just be ice? Geothermal heat actually counteracts the

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<v Speaker 1>freezing action of the ice above it, allowing the lake

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<v Speaker 1>to remain liquid. Oh, I actually didn't know why it

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<v Speaker 1>was liquid. Oh yeah, it's because of geothermal geothermal vents

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<v Speaker 1>that continue to keep the temperature of the lake above freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's why, uh there can be a lake,

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<v Speaker 1>a sub glacial lake, because otherwise you would say, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, how could it still remain how could

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<v Speaker 1>it remain unfrozen unless there are some other chemicals in

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<v Speaker 1>the lake that would uh lower its freezing point below

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<v Speaker 1>that of water. That's fascinating. Yeah, well, okay, you might

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<v Speaker 1>be wondering, wait a minute, what does this have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with technology. Well, we're getting get there in just

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<v Speaker 1>a second. So when you think about glaciers, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>at the polar regions. How do things like that form?

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually a pretty simple process. Every year it snows,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll it'll snow, and you get heavier snows in the

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<v Speaker 1>winter and lighter snows in the summer. Right, But in

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<v Speaker 1>some places in the world, unlike probably wherever you live,

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<v Speaker 1>if it snows around your house or your yard, eventually

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<v Speaker 1>that snow melts, right, right, you get to a point

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<v Speaker 1>where the season's warm, the snow starts to uh to

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<v Speaker 1>melt away, and then eventually you have no more snow.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's some regions where either the snow accumulation is

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<v Speaker 1>so great that it never completely melts or the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>never rises above freezing and therefore it just continues to accumulate.

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<v Speaker 1>So every season you get a new layer of snow.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens when a new layer of snow goes on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the old layer of snow, Well, eventually it

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<v Speaker 1>gets kind of heavy. Yeah, it compresses in to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where the lower layers of snow are compressed into ice.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you get layers of ice. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>were able to look at these layers of ice collectively,

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<v Speaker 1>you could start to draw some conclusions about what had

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<v Speaker 1>happened the years when that snow first accumulated. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what leads us to the practice of drilling down

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<v Speaker 1>into ice sheets and glaciers to retrieve samples to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get a look back into the geological past of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth. Yeah, exactly, So ice core drilling is a

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<v Speaker 1>way of getting at this cross section of geological time

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<v Speaker 1>that we can see in the ice layers of glaciers,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it's going to be you know

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<v Speaker 1>and play like Greenland or in Antarctica. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>two chief sites for ice core drilling, where people have

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with these huge vertical samples of ice

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<v Speaker 1>that might be miles thick, right, And what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know was, how on earth do they do that?

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be all that easy, can it is? It's

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<v Speaker 1>well easy, It is not simple. It is similar than

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<v Speaker 1>I would have expected, actually it is. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>simple method in the sense that it doesn't require tons

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<v Speaker 1>of complex machinery or techniques. But it is not easy

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<v Speaker 1>to do because it is difficult to reach to access

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<v Speaker 1>the areas, and the methodology can often require people to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially live on an ice sheet for a very you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like a month at a time, depending on how

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<v Speaker 1>deep they want to drill. Right. So, uh, Within each

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<v Speaker 1>of those layers of snow that have turned into ice,

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<v Speaker 1>there are records of things of the past, like the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ice can trap chemicals, for example, precipitation can

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<v Speaker 1>trap chemicals, and as that precipitation, in this case, snow

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<v Speaker 1>hits the ground, then you have a record of what

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<v Speaker 1>the chemical composition was at that given time. And then

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<v Speaker 1>other layers will pack on top of it and they

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<v Speaker 1>will have their own kind of you know, unique chemical fingerprint,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. The layers don't just show you a

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<v Speaker 1>cross section of time. Each layer has data from the

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<v Speaker 1>time it comes from. It might even have like ash

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<v Speaker 1>from volcanic eruption. You can see chemical data like you

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about the concentrations of different gases in

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere that become dissolved in little bubbles in these layers,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can see exactly ash from volcanic eruptions. You

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<v Speaker 1>can even discern things about the local weather patterns where

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<v Speaker 1>the glacier was at certain times in the past. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back with more about ice core drilling in just

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, but first let's take a quick break. Another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I think is kind of cool with the

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<v Speaker 1>volcanic ash layers is that it lets you compare one

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<v Speaker 1>sample against another sample that was gathered somewhere else and

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily justin ice. There are other core uh coreing

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<v Speaker 1>methods like that, going through peat bogs, for example, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you find a layer of ash that corresponds to

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<v Speaker 1>another layer of ash and a completely different sample, you

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<v Speaker 1>can say, oh, well, these both came from that same eruption.

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<v Speaker 1>That allows us to to corus correlate these two dates

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<v Speaker 1>together by the chemical composition of the ash and the

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<v Speaker 1>two layers, because the chemical composition is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>unique each eruption, So that way you can actually start

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<v Speaker 1>to build a global view of what had happened during

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<v Speaker 1>any given you know, uh year or span of years

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<v Speaker 1>in Earth's past, which is really interesting. I think. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's way cooler and more full of creep be ancient

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<v Speaker 1>power than you would have imagined ice drilling to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to hear about the drilling itself. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they get these cores out of the glacier? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are two basic categories of drills, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>are are of you know, different examples of each category.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first big one are mechanical drills. Now, these

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<v Speaker 1>are drills that drilled down into the ice through mechanical action,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially rotating. Right. But normally when you think of a

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<v Speaker 1>drill that's making a hole in something, you are not

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<v Speaker 1>removing any section of that substrate intact. You're just making

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<v Speaker 1>a hole. I'm drilling in the wall. Well, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be this sort of like you know, cylindrical object

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<v Speaker 1>that's got screw thread kind of things on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>to move the shavings out of the hole as it

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<v Speaker 1>goes deeper in. It's just a solid knot. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give you a cross section of the wood.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you get that? So in order to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you have to have a drill bit that

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<v Speaker 1>is is an actual hollow cylinder right the middle of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of it being a solid shaft, it's a cylinder

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<v Speaker 1>that has cutting teeth on one end of it, so

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<v Speaker 1>that when it rotates, it creates this the the the

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<v Speaker 1>actual drill itself rotates around a column of ice, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates a column of ice cuts away so that you

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<v Speaker 1>know the center of the drill bit starts to accumulate

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<v Speaker 1>this ice. It goes straight down until you get to

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<v Speaker 1>the length of the drill itself, and obviously then you

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<v Speaker 1>can't go any further because you hit the cap, like

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the drill, and that's where you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to stop and try and retrieve the ice that

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<v Speaker 1>you've just drilled. Right, So you might think about it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like this. Imagine like a tin can or

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<v Speaker 1>like a pipe, and then the lip of that pipe

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of like a circular saw blade. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>the blade is parallel to the length of the pipe obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can screw down in right, and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>the teeth are usually adjustable, like you can either uh

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<v Speaker 1>extend them or attract them a little bit, depending upon

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the ice that you're cutting into. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if they are if the if the teeth

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<v Speaker 1>are retracted too far, it's gonna be really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get purchase on the ice. It's gonna kind of skitter around.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who's had any experience with ice, nos, it's slippery,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you'd have to have the teeth be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit longer. If they're too long, then they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get caught in the ice. So it'll make it

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<v Speaker 1>more difficult to turn the drill and drill down into

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<v Speaker 1>the ice. So you have to find that that sweet spot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's usually why the the teeth are adjustable, so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can make it the perfect length for whatever

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<v Speaker 1>conditions you encounter. You when you turn the drill the

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<v Speaker 1>proper way, it cuts into the ice and it and

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<v Speaker 1>it pulls in that cylinder like we were talking about. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also gonna be some waste product from this drilling

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, chips of ice obviously are going to accumulate,

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<v Speaker 1>so uh often these drills have treads on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>of them, which will put push chips up to the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them have chambers that will hold chips to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it away from the ice core sample, because obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at at creating a sample for you

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<v Speaker 1>to study in the lab, you don't want to end

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<v Speaker 1>up mixing that material all up, because then you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an accurate representation of what happened over any given

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<v Speaker 1>length of time. Right, You've you've corrupted your sample. So

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<v Speaker 1>most of these have a method of funneling chips up

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<v Speaker 1>into a chamber. Uh. And you know, are the the

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<v Speaker 1>simplest of these mechanical drills are the hand powered augers.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually move these by hand. It looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a very long can, right, and the

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<v Speaker 1>top of it has like a t junction handle, and

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<v Speaker 1>like in cartoons when people have a dynamite box and

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<v Speaker 1>they push it right or like a jackhammer, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, And except of course, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>going up and down, you're twisting this in order to

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<v Speaker 1>create the rotational force. This translated into lateral force because

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<v Speaker 1>the drill is kind of like a the inversion of

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<v Speaker 1>a screw, right, So you're you're drilling down that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And you might think, well, you were talking earlier about

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<v Speaker 1>how some of the UM the core samples. We look

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<v Speaker 1>at our our kilometers long. How could you possibly get

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<v Speaker 1>a sample that's that long using a handogger? Well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, you can't, but secondly, uh, when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these core samples, Yeah, the entire sample might be

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<v Speaker 1>several kilometers long, but that's made up of segments. So

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon the drill you're using, your segments maybe between

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<v Speaker 1>one and six meters long, right, so uh, that's between like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, around three ft two around twenty ft long roughly,

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<v Speaker 1>um And in order for you to create a full

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<v Speaker 1>uh core sample, than what you would have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is lower the drill back down into the borehole that

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<v Speaker 1>you've started until it reaches the bottom, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to use extenders to come up out of the borehole

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<v Speaker 1>so you can continue to drill downward. That sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>you pretty quickly reach a sort of maximum depth. For

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<v Speaker 1>these hand operated versions, you absolutely do, yeah, because eventually

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to the the amount of rotational force

0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you'll have to create to rotate the entire thing, the

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<v Speaker 1>the drill and all the extenders will exceed the strength

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<v Speaker 1>and flexibility of that device, So you can't you can't

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<v Speaker 1>indefinitely use a handogger. It would also just seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be that that combined with whatever you have to hang

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<v Speaker 1>it on to get it deeper and deeper, would get

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<v Speaker 1>really heavy. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>like you're talking about lifting up six meters of ice. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the diameter of this depends upon the

0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.720
<v Speaker 1>drill to write the drill, the drills diameter will determine

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<v Speaker 1>the diameter of the core sample. But you're still talking

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<v Speaker 1>about lifting all that ice, which is heavy lifting the

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<v Speaker 1>drill itself, which is heavy lifting all the extenders, which

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<v Speaker 1>are heavy. So eventually you get to a point where

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're just not gonna have the integrity to

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<v Speaker 1>keep that all together, which is when you need to

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<v Speaker 1>look at possibly switching to something else. So your typical

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<v Speaker 1>handoggers can go pretty darn deep. I mean, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>twenty to thirty meters, that's like sixty six ft. That's

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<v Speaker 1>deeper than I would have expected. Yeah, me too, And

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<v Speaker 1>according to some of the things I read, it's more

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<v Speaker 1>like fortys is the maximum. Twenty to thirty tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be what people limit themselves to. But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>record was somewhere around forty so it's even further than that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you do when you reach that that

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<v Speaker 1>limit where you can't use the handoggers anymore? Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you try try kind of. You're using the electro

0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.240
<v Speaker 1>mechanical drills. These are suspended on a cable, so instead

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<v Speaker 1>of it having like a physic cool um turning mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>that extends all the way up to the surface there,

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<v Speaker 1>they they are actually suspended by cable lowered into a

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<v Speaker 1>borehole and they consist typically of two barrels. You have

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<v Speaker 1>an external barrel that remains uh motionless, it is, it

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<v Speaker 1>does not turn all right, So the external barrel is

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<v Speaker 1>uh just a stationary holding device. Then the inner barrel

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that can rotate, all right. So the

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<v Speaker 1>cable that suspends an electro mechanical drill, the cable doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>move at all either. It's just there to supply the

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<v Speaker 1>suspension mechanism and the power. So it's it's got the

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<v Speaker 1>power lines that go down to power the drill. The

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<v Speaker 1>inner barrel will rotate in the proper direction to continue

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<v Speaker 1>drilling down. And the inner barrel also has treads on

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<v Speaker 1>the external side of it, right, So those are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the threads on your drill little bit

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<v Speaker 1>that are getting the shavings out of the wall and

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<v Speaker 1>the expa they're transporting the ice chips up along the

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<v Speaker 1>length of the drill. That's right, and so you would

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<v Speaker 1>use this the same way you would use your handdogger,

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<v Speaker 1>except of course, in this case it's an electrical uh action,

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<v Speaker 1>electro mechanical action that is causing it. So it's you know,

0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a little bit easier on the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are operating it. They just have to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they're lowering it properly, and then it's at the

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<v Speaker 1>correct depth all of that kind of stuff, and and

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<v Speaker 1>that the teeth are at the right length. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like the handdoggers. You've got to make sure that those

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<v Speaker 1>those teeth are are proper so that they can cut

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<v Speaker 1>into the material to ice properly. Uh So, usually you

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<v Speaker 1>also have another cool mechanism literally to hold the ice

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<v Speaker 1>in place. Once you've reached the point where you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to lift up the next segment. They have spring loaded

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.840
<v Speaker 1>lever arms inside that inner barrel that think of it

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<v Speaker 1>like little pincers that come in and hold that core

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<v Speaker 1>in place. Because you want it to be really steady.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're lifting that drill up. You know, you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>forty or more up a borehole. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>lose the grip on that ice core sample because that

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<v Speaker 1>would be bad. So the spring loaded lever arms hold

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<v Speaker 1>them and they are called something that I love, core dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like going to the county fair. You

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<v Speaker 1>get yourself and a couple of core dogs. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Pelucaville to get my core dogs. Local

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<v Speaker 1>establishment here in Atlanta. Now there is another type of

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<v Speaker 1>drill that I love. Yeah, I think this is excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>I love looking at the picture. I was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of this before I read about what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I don't understand how it cuts

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<v Speaker 1>because it just looked like a pipe with kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a strange lip. It didn't have any teeth, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I read about it and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it doesn't thermal drill. Yeah, so it's using heat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine sort of a pipe that on the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the lip at the pie ape has a heating

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<v Speaker 1>element and it gets hot, melts straight through the ice

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<v Speaker 1>and just sinks on down there. Yeah. Yeah, until you

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<v Speaker 1>get to again to the end of the capacity of

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the drill, and then you have to lift it back

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<v Speaker 1>up again. So yeah, it's really I love that idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of of of let's just use heat to

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<v Speaker 1>work our way. I mean, come on, it's ice, let's

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<v Speaker 1>use heat to melt away down there. Yeah. That actually

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like you would have some limitations though, and

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<v Speaker 1>it does. In fact, you are you're more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>use that when you're using ice that is above minus

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<v Speaker 1>ten degrees celsius for example, you don't know, which is

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen degrees fahrenheit. By the way, you wouldn't use that

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<v Speaker 1>in colder areas because the melt off the water that

0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.119
<v Speaker 1>you would be creating as the heating element melts, the

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<v Speaker 1>ice would likely start to refreeze and that would become

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. So you are more likely to use it

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<v Speaker 1>in uh in quote unquote warmer since you waitions it

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.960
<v Speaker 1>will still be really cold. Um. And then if you

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 1>were to encounter those colder situations, you would use electro

0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 1>mechanical drill. And in fact, there are plenty of ice

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<v Speaker 1>core drilling projects that that will switch out the drills

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<v Speaker 1>based upon whatever the current conditions happen to be as

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>they are drilling. You've got a little bit more show

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<v Speaker 1>to go before we get to that. We're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>one more quick break now. I would imagine that once

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<v Speaker 1>you get down to a certain depth, the whole enterprise

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of changes. I mean, once you're getting two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of feet down, you're going to start dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>ways that ice behaves kind of like a plastic and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean. You gotta remember this

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<v Speaker 1>ice is under a lot of pressure. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>from wait alone, it's under a ton of pressure. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's also there are other elements there too. There's glacial flow, right,

0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.159
<v Speaker 1>glaciers move, they don't move very quickly, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>this pressure from glacial flow where the glacier is potentially

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<v Speaker 1>moving in a specific direction, which means that's putting pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on the borehole too. And if the pressure is too great,

0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that borehole can close, and by clothes, we've pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>mean collapse in on itself. Like closing sounds pretty gentle,

0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.159
<v Speaker 1>it's not a gentle thing. Well, whether it's gentle or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big problem for your research project exactly. So, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are times where you will have these these projects

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<v Speaker 1>where they will start pumping liquid down the whole, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of different reasons for this. Some will

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<v Speaker 1>pump anti freeze liquid down the whole in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that any melted runoff, for example, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>using a thermal drill doesn't refreeze, but then you may

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<v Speaker 1>need to put down a different type of liquid, another

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.360
<v Speaker 1>one that would be less likely to freeze, in order

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<v Speaker 1>to equalize the pressure from inside the hole to what

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 1>what is outside the hole. Yeah, I read somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>the drill fluid that they would normally use can be

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<v Speaker 1>something like kerosene, like a petroleum derived fluid. Uh, And

0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it just basically has to have the right freezing point.

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.479
<v Speaker 1>And they wanted to be of a certain thickness right

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<v Speaker 1>right because they have to you know, if it's if

0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>it's too thin, then it's not going to create the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure that they need in order to keep the whole stable.

0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.760
<v Speaker 1>And if the freezing point is too is too high,

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 1>then it's going to just end up mucking everything up anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is a delicate balance. There's one project in

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<v Speaker 1>particular I wanted to talk about the kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of what it's like to work on one

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of these. Again, it all depends upon how deeply you

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 1>need to go when you're retrieving the ice core sample.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how far back are you going to be looking. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one called the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide Project.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a recent effort by the United States and which

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<v Speaker 1>an ice core that was three thousand, four hundred five

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<v Speaker 1>meters long, so three point four kilometers long, was retrieved

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:10.000
<v Speaker 1>over the course of six field seasons. Now, they defined

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>a field season as approximately forty days of drilling. The

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>actual drilling took place six days a week, so obviously

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>more than um. Since you're not drilling seven days a week.

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Forty days of drilling is you know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>divide that up properly. But twenty four hours a day,

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<v Speaker 1>three shifts UH for drilling per day, with three UH

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 1>project workers per shift, so nine people working for six

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>days a week and drilling is going on twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day. I'm sure that's not an easy job,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would kind of like that job just to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say I drilled course of ancient ice

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>at one of my past jobs. But you might you

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 1>might have some interesting stories to tell about the the

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the quirks of the two shift workers you shared all

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>that time with and whether or not you ever want

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>to see that person ever again. To the two am

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>to ten am shift is kind of rough in Antarctica.

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 1>You can also just be like, I will never not

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>hear the sound of ice being drilled. It is just

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna go through my head through the rest of my days.

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Yeah, it's it's a really serious endeavor and

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it's very important scientific work. And so because it's important,

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and because this is something that you know, once you

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>once you have retrieved the ice core sample, you've only

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>just started, you have to make sure that you can

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>store them properly so that you have the chance to

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>actually examine them later. Right, So you've got these cylindrical

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:49.360
<v Speaker 1>segments of you know, essentially priceless scientific data that are

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 1>just in containers. And yeah, and it's perishable. It's perishable.

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>There's something that's beautiful about this to me, the fleeting

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>nous of it. How you know, this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>could be millions of years old, but it's frozen bran.

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>It could melt if the power goes off. You know, now,

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to be fair, if you're getting them from Greenland. I

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>think the oldest we've looked at is a hundred thirty thousand,

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and Antarctica it's more like eight thousand, so not quite millions,

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>but still well before human history was ever recorded or

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>potentially even possible to record. You know, we're talking way back,

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>we're talking back when Cathulu was running rampant. Probably not,

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>but at any rate, they would that be detectable from

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the highest we see dissolved particulates of I don't know, yeah,

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 1>just like there's there's one of the chemical constituents of

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the old ones, right, you could be like, well, there

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>was a frozen sugar right that right around this level.

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>So we're pretty sure it was around this time at

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>any rate. So we have to we have to store

0:25:55.800 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>these things obviously until they can be examined by various scientists,

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the ice cores when they are stored, like,

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of different research facilities that want

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.879
<v Speaker 1>to have a chance to to examine this stuff, so

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>they have to go to a special facility to do that.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 1>One of those is the National Ice Core Laboratory, which

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:22.119
<v Speaker 1>stores more than seventeen thousand meters of ice that's incredible.

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And its main archive freezer is fifty five thousand cubic

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>feet in size, that's one thofty seven cubic meters, And

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>so incoming ice has to first reach a thermal equilibrium

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>with the temperature inside the freezer, which is minus thirty

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>six degrees celsius or minus thirty two point eight fahrenheit.

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And the reason for that is obviously you don't want

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to start handling the ice before it's reached thermal equal

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>equilibrium for fear of damaging the sample. Right, So once

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it's reached that thermal equilibrium, that's that only then can

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you actually unpack it and then label it and and

0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>racket categorize it. I've seen pictures of these two ridge facilities.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>It looks like kind of like a National Film Archive

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>or something that's got these silver cans and the shelves

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>going to the ceiling. Though I do wonder that if

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a temptation for people working in these places every

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>now and then to get a little cheeky and make

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 1>themselves a highball, it's just just an ancient on the rocks, right, Yeah,

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>on the ancient rocks. I guess. Then again, you may

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>be unleashing microbes into your into your body that you

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>have no natural defenses. Again, Yeah that that. Yeah, I

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>see that. We're kind of starting to mix up movie

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 1>genres too, because this is kind of a rolling emeric,

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of into the world derivative, right, and

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>then and then Judd Apatel where you get like the

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of stoner comedy. So you get like the stoner

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:45.959
<v Speaker 1>character who's just trying to make a drink. And then

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>unleash is the terrible super flu Hey this this this,

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>this particular bacteria or virus or whatever has been in

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>suspended animation for hundreds of thousands of years now has

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>been unleashed on the plant. There's money in this, Joe,

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to develop it. But before that

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>we have to finish this podcast. So wait a second. Okay,

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>So once they've got the ice, Yeah, you have this

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>priceless repository of ancient data. How do you analyze it

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and what can you learn? Well, the first thing you

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>can do is look at it. I know that sounds silly.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>You are a man of many insights using your eyeballs,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.479
<v Speaker 1>so uh. The interesting thing about an ice core sample

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>is you can actually see the passage of time just

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>by looking closely at the ice core sample. Yeah, you

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>should look up an image of this if you're listening

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>on a computer or device where you can have internet access.

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>It's cool. It's got stripes, yeah, and those stripes represent

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>summers and winters, right. So winters are darker because you

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>usually have much greater snow accumulation during the winter. Summers

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>are lighter because you have less snow accumulation. So you

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>get these dark bands separated by light bands, and together

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>those represents a year's passage of time. Right, You've got

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the summer and winter there, and so you just start

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>counting backwards. It's like rings on a tree, except you'd

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>be counting vertical stripes rather than the concentric circle exactly. Yeah,

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>So you count that backward and you can actually say, oh, well,

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>this particular year is such and such because it's so

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>many far back from the surface. And then you can

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>start or at least you can estimate, like within a

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>reasonable degree of certainty, what year that represents. And in fact, uh,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>they have done tests, they being scientists, have done tests

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that this is the case by looking

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>at various layers identifying what year that layers should represent

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>testing the chemical composition of that particular layer of the

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>ice and comparing it to data that we have from

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>others other means, like and we're talking like around the

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, like looking at the nineteen fifties, so counting

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>back until you hit to nineteen fifty on the ice

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>core sample and then testing it to see if it

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>actually matches the other records we have, and they match,

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>so it shows that this actually does work. Now, however,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that being said, when you start going to deeper levels,

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it starts getting more and more difficult to differentiate. Yeah,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I was seeing various concerns about how factors

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>in the physics of the glacier can change what happens

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to these levels. I mean, number one, you just have

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that more pressure, but I think the glacier flow can

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>also change how the levels are represented, right, Yeah, yeah,

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you if you think about like, these

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>glaciers don't necessarily all move. It's like one big solid unit.

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind that this is this is a a

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>solid form of a fluid, but it still has some

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>fluid mechanics to it, right, It's not not all of

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the glacier is necessarily moving. As in concert with itself, right,

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>So you could have sections of the glacier that are

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>moving that could end up changing a little bit of

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>what you would expect to find as you're counting back

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>to a certain depth. And so it's one of those

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>things where, uh, you know, you have to after at

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>some point you have to start looking at alternative means

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>of dating that particular part of the ice core sample,

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and that could involve doing something like performing some geochemistry

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>on it. So you look to see what materials are

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>in that layer and how does that correspond with the

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>records we have about our geological history. So it's usually

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>mass spectrometry that we use where we try and see

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>what chemicals are represented within that layer and kind of

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>map that to what else we know about our history. Um,

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>there's also that layers of ash. So if we find

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>layers of ash, then we know that this is uh,

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, a mark of a volcanic eruption and based

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>upon our records, we can kind of date it from

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that point. Or it could be just another emergence of hexus.

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Could be could be likely a volcanic eruption, but could

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>be electrical conductivity because again depending on what the what

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>materials are dissolved within that ice, it's going to be

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>either more or less conductive, and so by doing that

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we can make determinations of what materials are in there

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and thus kind of get an idea of how where

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>in the the timeline that particular part of the ice

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>core sample falls. Numerical flow models which help us correlate

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>age to depth. This is what we were talking about

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>just a second ago, Joe, the idea of the glacial

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>flow and how that can can make things a little

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>more complicated. Uh, having those numerical flow models, which essentially

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that's a simulation of what must have happened within a

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>particular body of ice over a given amount of time,

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and by modeling it and trying to get that as

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>accurate as possible, we can try and correlate, all, right,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>at what depth would we consider, like, how how far

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>down would we go before we hit I don't know,

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>two thousand years for example. This is a kind of

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just throwing that out there as as a off

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the top of my head example. And also radiometric dating dating,

0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 1>which is a not away for nuclear physicists to know,

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>hang out and find that special someone. They use tender

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>just like everybody else. It's more about actually looking at

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>um radioactive decay. Not every layer of ice has anything

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>in it like that, but some layers of ice do

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>have trace amounts of uranium dust, and that would might

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>be a way that we could date certain types. This

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>is pretty deep in the Antarctic ice usually. Um As

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>for what we can learn, we can learn lots of stuff, right,

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like it's really important information that tells us

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>about the way our world has changed over huge expanses

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>of time. Right. Well, I know one of the main

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>things that scientists are looking at ice cores for these

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>days is to help understand what past climate systems look

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>like and to help predict what changes will be brought

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>about by the current climate change we're observing right right,

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>And of course you know, uh, you can't really make

0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:00.239
<v Speaker 1>predictions without necessarily understanding what has happened in the past, right.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>You need to have that model there so that you

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>can have something to base your predictions upon. So one

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>thing you can easily see, and by easily I mean

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I described looking at those layers and seeing the summer

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 1>and winter. You can easily see the general precipitation trends

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 1>year over year by the thickness of those layers. Right,

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>So if one summer winter layer is very thin compared

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>to the next one below it, you could say, well,

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>there was a year where there was a relatively heavy

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>amount of precipitation followed by a year where there was

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>very light precipitation. Then you could go and start doing

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>more studies to see, like, while all, there are other

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>elements inside this ice core that could indicate why that

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>might have been the case. What what was going on

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>in the atmosphere that would have made one year particularly

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.439
<v Speaker 1>heavy with precipitation and the following year light. Oh I see,

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you could just, for example, look at concentrate

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of different atmospheric chemicals in the layers preceding the layers

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that have more precipitation, so like, oh, wow, it's strange

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 1>there was more nitrogen in the atmosphere the past three

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>seasons before we had these heavy precipitation seasons. Or it

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>might be look here, that's not a real result. And

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>then you can also look and say, oh, look at

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the concentration of carbon dioxide for example. Now you've gotta

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>be a little careful with this, particularly with the green

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Land examples, because carbon diox i can get dissolved in water,

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they're they're also melting layers. Melting layers are

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>where uh, you know, the temperaturey got high enough so

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 1>that some snow had melted. The water can trickle down

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>into the snowpack and you get these kind of bubble

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 1>free areas of ice. That's a melt layer, which can

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 1>still have a lot of useful information in it. But

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>it also means that sometimes water that has carbon dioxide

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>dissolved in it can set down into older layers and

0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>thus change the composition of them, giving you a false

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>positive that there was more common carbon dioxide in a

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>layer than there really was. Fortunately, scientists are aware of this.

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>You know what to look for and uh and like

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, that's more prevalent in Greenland and Antarctica. You

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 1>don't tend to see that same issue. But uh, you know,

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you can also look at things like, um, the chemical composition,

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>which will tell you more about the concentration of greenhouse

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 1>gases uh in any given year, and you can look

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 1>for trends. Right, you can actually look and see like

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it may not be uh, this love layer was thick

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and that layer was thin. It maybe we're seeing a

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>gradual decrease in layers over a really long time, followed

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>by a period where they were very very thin layers

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and then very thick layers as

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>another ice age started coming on. You could actually see

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>these big trends, because that's really what we're talking about

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>with climate. Right, Climate isn't weather. We often, like the

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>people often will conflay the two. Right, climate influences weather, right,

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and and climate is like you know, a weather is

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this is this localized, regional, temporal thing. Like it's happening

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in a very small time span. You're talking like, while

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the weather is terrible today, climate is long reaching. It

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>can it's a global thing. It's not or at least

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a much larger regional thing. Um and it it is not. Uh,

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not as mercurial you could say, as weather would be,

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>because weather can change dramatically day to day. Climate are

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>these long trends. Describing climate would be like describing Jonathan's personality.

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Describing weather would be like can you believe what Jonathan

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>said this morning? Yeah, we'll put so. Uh. By looking

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>at this, we can say, all right, during this period

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of time where we know there was a greater concentration

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>of greenhouse gasses because it was trapped in the ice.

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>We have we have, uh, we've analyzed the ice. We

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.359
<v Speaker 1>know what the concentrations are. We can see from the

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>following layers how that affected climate over a great span

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of time. So because our records don't stretch back that far, heck,

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>our our weather records don't stretch back far at all.

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 1>We're talking like a century or so, and otherwise we're

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>we're relying upon things like the recollections that people had

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>written down and either letters or or you know, just

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the general language used by people who are writing at

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the time what the weather might have been. Like. This

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 1>is an actual way for us to look back and say,

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>here's what the climate was a hundred thousand years ago,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and here's what here's how the climate changed over a

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand years span. I mean, it's a big picture

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>look at something that otherwise we would just be making

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>wild guesses about. And that's really interesting to me. Yeah,

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 1>it's obviously incredibly useful. I have to say again, how much.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just me, but anything that's that old gives

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<v Speaker 1>me this very cool, mysterious feeling. I get a little

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<v Speaker 1>try about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's neat

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<v Speaker 1>to know that there there exists a record where by

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<v Speaker 1>applying careful scientific, careful scientific approach to analyzing that material,

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<v Speaker 1>we can draw very very uh, very interesting conclusions about

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<v Speaker 1>what the Earth was like well before humans were walking

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<v Speaker 1>around and being human ish. I hope you enjoyed that

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<v Speaker 1>classic episode about ice core drilling. If you have suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>for topics I should cover in future episodes of tech Stuff,

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