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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for dake Eda State? Is that? Woo woom?

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Speaker 2: And then and tie?

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Speaker 1: The college football playoffs are set.

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Speaker 2: A short while ago, the Playoff Committee announced that Michigan, Washington, Texas,

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Speaker 2: and Alabama Alabama, where it's top four Florida State Conference

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Speaker 2: two time defending champion left out. They finished sixth in

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Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff rankings. Dan Rubinstein a.

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Speaker 1: Lot to break down.

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Speaker 2: Definitely unprecedented that Florida State at thirteen to zero and

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Speaker 2: don't think it's all that surprising, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: But it does feel a little dirty, doesn't it. It

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Speaker 1: No, it does, And it made me look I'm not

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Speaker 1: a Florida State fan. I'm not an Alabama fan. I

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Speaker 1: the playoff. It feels a little dirty because I wanted

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Speaker 1: book Oregan, Boomshok Luca Coregan to come into that ESPN

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Speaker 1: It just felt like you got to include Bama here

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Speaker 1: You don't think Florida State is one of the best

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Speaker 1: Within their power? Alabama could have handled things better over

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Speaker 1: what they were asking of Florida State was not on

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I think a couple things. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, floid team playoff.

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Speaker 2: It was a huge milestone to get to it, Nara

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Speaker 2: It never made sense given that you had five power conferences.

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Speaker 2: It certainly played into what we love on some level

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Speaker 2: Right because an undefeated major conference champion absolutely deserves to

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Speaker 1: But that's a guess, that's not a reason, right, Like

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Speaker 1: I think they're scared of the blowouts. They're scared of

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Speaker 2: the four team playoff. Yeah, as we've come to know

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Speaker 2: it for Florida State. So this is a huge bummer

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Speaker 2: look at the resumes. Florida State thirteen and oh conference champion.

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Speaker 2: Strength of schedule was lower than some of the teams

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Speaker 2: Nothing making control. Best win was over LSU back in

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Speaker 1: We had to go all the way back to twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that means that the other playoff matchup is number

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Speaker 1: I hope, So I really do. I really hope that

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Speaker 1: Florida State supposed to do? Right? You beat a top

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Speaker 1: we don't know. Do any of them have biases? Yes?

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Speaker 1: As we watch Rees Davis Alabama and Greg McElroy Alabama

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Speaker 1: Especially if a one lost team wins the College Ball

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Speaker 2: To your point about how does Florida State feel? There's

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Speaker 2: The argument of whether a team is quote most deserving

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Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff. The twenty twenty three Florida State

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Speaker 1: My man's representing FSU laying it on a little thick man.

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Speaker 1: There are so many weird tentacles to this playoff that

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Speaker 1: Washington becomes the most likable team. Right, Nobody really knows

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Speaker 2: Look, I get what you're saying. Yeah, do you think

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Speaker 2: Do they beat Alabama? Do they beat Texas? A Texas

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Speaker 2: At time of recording. In that Rose Bowl playoff, matchup.

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Speaker 2: I think I also leaned Bama. Yeah, that Washington Texas

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Speaker 1: Of the year indoors. Michael Penix way better in a

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Speaker 2: I think Florida State's gonna get cream by Georgia. I

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Speaker 1: big plays downfield, but I don't know. And from an

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Speaker 1: which we'll see, you don't want to risk your ACLS

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Speaker 1: situations where we're going to see Instagram art orc that

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Speaker 1: begins with I couldn't have been more proud of all

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Speaker 1: of the time and connections and friends and family that

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Speaker 1: I was able to develop in Eugene. And then ultimately

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Speaker 1: I've decided to forego the opportunity to play in the

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Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl to train for the NFL Draft. I will

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Speaker 1: be rooting on my brothers loudly.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the same letterhead, you know, all on

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Speaker 2: the same letterhead, all in the same Canda template. Oh

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Speaker 2: and then once a duck, always a duck, Once a duck,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's you know, that's an unfortunate reality because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Liberty fans would love to play Oregon at

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Speaker 1: a team that has spent a good amount of the

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Speaker 1: year in the top five, top ten, So it loses

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Speaker 1: some of its luster, but it's an opportunity if you're

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Speaker 1: a Liberty fan, certainly a Liberty player, to perform on

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Speaker 1: the absolute biggest stage Liberty ever has.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Chadwell is a good coach.

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Speaker 1: We'll see he is a good coach. See what he

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Speaker 1: can do. All right, So look, here's the deal. One

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Speaker 2: Playwinter Wonders dot Com. Is how you get in on

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Speaker 2: the bullpool. We're gonna be talking a lot about it

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Speaker 2: later this week. We're going to be doing a Bowl

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Speaker 2: Confidence Pool primer. It is that Goofy episode where I

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Speaker 2: give you my strategy for picking a bowl confidence pool,

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Speaker 2: or Dan and I go through all of the games

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Speaker 2: What are some interesting factoids, try to give you some

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Speaker 2: lean on maybe who could be opting out why some

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Speaker 2: of these matchups are intriguing. We want as many people

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Speaker 2: as we can and get in on that pool. Again,

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Speaker 2: it is free to play. All are welcome Playwinterwonders dot com.

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Speaker 2: Go out on social media. Let's see if we tag

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Speaker 2: people who else we can get in on this thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm into that secret verbal guerrilla marketing style. Let's get

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Speaker 2: as many people in this pool as humanly possible at

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Speaker 2: Playwinterwonders dot Com. Invite your friends, your family, anybody who

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Speaker 2: likes college football.

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Speaker 1: Any names that immediately jump out to you that we

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Speaker 1: should get in college Football World or otherwise.

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Speaker 2: We got to get goal again. Let's even get Adam Amine.

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Speaker 1: In Adam, I mean Mike Coolock Junior.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the announcer beat. Let's go from there.

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Speaker 2: Let's see who they can invite in on our behalf TI.

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Speaker 1: Is there somebody else Adam and Mike obviously we've known

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Speaker 1: Is there any name outside of the college football sphere,

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Speaker 1: outside of our sphere? Because you know, we can get

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Speaker 1: a bunch of college football dudes and do dea in

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Speaker 1: this thing. I'm emailing Dan Carlin. We had him on

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Speaker 1: the Shan Carlin's a good name. Email answer.

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Speaker 2: We can see if we can get it to McConaughey,

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Speaker 2: We've got it in there.

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Speaker 1: I'll send something to uh because we had him on

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Speaker 1: the show. He's not in the college University's a collegeable fan.

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Speaker 1: I'll send something to Burt Kreischer. Yeah, see if he wants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, give us your ideas. Just tag people

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Speaker 2: if you want Playwinterwonders dot com. Let's make this a

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Speaker 2: merry old bullpool again. Awesome pool. We are giving prizes

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Speaker 2: to the top ten plus a grand prize top ten.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the top ten gets a prize.

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Speaker 2: Everybody in the top ten gets a prize, and then

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Speaker 2: there is a grand prize on top of that. Details

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Speaker 2: yet to come.

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Speaker 1: And anybody can join.

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Speaker 2: Anybody.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who is able to use the World Wide Web

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Speaker 1: can join at Playwinterwonders dot com.

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Speaker 2: I'm literally tweeting it out as soon as we hit

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Speaker 2: to stop button. Get as many people in this as

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Speaker 2: we can. Yeah, love it all right, Dan, We've got

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Speaker 2: more to come. This week is going to be a

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Speaker 2: busy week here in the verballer hood. We are going

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Speaker 2: to react, I think a little bit more to all

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Speaker 2: of these matchups.

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Speaker 1: And all the bowl games that happened been release.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll react to all the ball matchups a little

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Speaker 2: bit more on our next episode. The portal also opens

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Speaker 2: on Monday. In the world of college football, we'll give

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Speaker 2: you our full reaction to all of the movers and

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Speaker 2: shakers on the episode that we drop on Tuesday. Dan

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Speaker 2: can't wait that go ou there, my good friend Dan

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Speaker 2: Rubenstein for myself, Tie hille Brand.

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Speaker 1: We need some sleep, damn it.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you all soon and stay solid.

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Speaker 1: Peace,