1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: The volume. This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: is up, Street firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: for Tuesday, August first. Oh, we got an NFL game 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: in forty eight hours. Can't wait for my Jets to 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: take the football field with their mouthy quarterback Aaron Rodgers 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: firing lobs at Sean Payton, backing up his OC, backing 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: up his head coach. Y'll love to see it. Jets 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: are the biggest story in the NFL, and the other 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: biggest story in the NFL right now is Mike sand Over, 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: the athletic, who will join the pod tomorrow. He released 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: his tiers of quarterbacks. Now, before people freak out about 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: a tiers list, this is no different than any other list. Essentially, 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: writer pulls a bunch of executives around the league, and 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: you've got to put the quarterbacks in sir and tiers. Now, 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: I want to take just at the outset. I'm sorry, 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: not just executive coaches and executives. Fifty league insiders placed 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: thirty veteran quarterbacks into tiers. You had eight GMS, ten 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: head coaches, fifteen coordinators, ten executives for QB coaches. It's 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: a massive list. It's no, I don't know that. I'd 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: say comprehensive fifty league insiders. How many are there five hundred? 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: I mean thirty two teams? Well, we're there, fifty league 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: insiders per team. I don't know. I don't want to 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: crush the tiers. And my big, big, obvious takeaway is 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: why should we get too worked up about opinions from 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: executives who famously don't know how to draft quarterbacks? Okay, 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts fifty third players selected, many quarterbacks taken ahead 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: of them justin fields not getting the love understandably so 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: rough start, but he's barely separated from guys who have 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: done a ton in the NFL. I mean Russell Wilson 30 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: sixteenth really off one bad season. This was a guy 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: two years ago, these same league executives said he was 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: in the top tier, and now you want to drop 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: him to the third tier. Well, I could go on 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: and on, and you know, Kyler Murrie is at the 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: top of tier three based on what he had. Let's 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: be real, he had one really strong first half of 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the season. Every season he's ended slowly. I don't know, 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, like, this is a guy who everybody took 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: dumps on in Detroit. Oh, he's a stat patter, he's 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: not a good quarterback. Goes to the Rams. Oh, look, 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: he's got a great coach, and all of a sudden, 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: he goes on an amazing postseason run, game winning drive 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: against Tampa, game winning drive against the Niners. He did 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: get the lucky dropped interception by the Niners, and then 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: game winning drive in the Super Bowl like Matt Stafford 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: delivered clutch, all the words you want to use to 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: describe Stafford. And he's he's tenth because what he got 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: hurt last year. It's just it's silly. And I again, 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact, but I just want to 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: remind people. Jal Hurts according to league executives, who but 51 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: by the way, many chances to draft Jalen Hurts. I 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: don't know what's Jalen Hurts coming out of Bama. He 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: slides down to fifty third. The Eagles had Carson Wentz 54 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: in his first year in the league. He was like 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: a tier three to four guy. We don't know what 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is. Is even gonna be a player? Now? He 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: almost wins the MVP and he jumps up to six, 58 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: ahead of Lamar Jackson, who's done it for longer. So like, 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: let's not get too worked up about the tears. Now. 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I know, Rob G I'm sure is surely disappointed that 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: his guy Derek Carr somehow, somehow gets in at fourteenth 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: in the rankings despite having what does he rob like 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: fifteen games under five hundred in his career. It's like, 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: what is that based on a projection that he's fourteenth? 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know again, you know, I forget who says it, 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: but everybody wants to call out Pro Football Focus. Hey man, 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: can you take their gradings too seriously? Like who is 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: grading these passes in these receptions and the turnover worthy plays? 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: Who's grading all that stuff? Because don't they have a 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: little opinion? It can't be all AI generated and stats 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: based based on computer. Some of it has to be 72 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: the eye test because someone's in putting stuff into the computer. 73 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: So let's not get too worked up about the tiers. 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Obviously it's fun to talk about before we get actual 75 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: football games to dissect. But Rob, I'll start with tier one. 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't have many gripes. Patrick Mahomes, if you want, 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: you could put him in a super tier all to 78 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: himself because he's so dang good. Obviously Burrow number two, 79 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Josh Allen number three. Some people will argue Aaron Rodgers, 80 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: will Russell Wilson plummets off one bad year. He was 81 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: not really bad in Seattle. There was a little drop off. 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: Why isn't Rogers taking a bigger drop off and he's 83 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: still a fourth best quarterback. Well, I think I'm assuming 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: that people want to chalk up last year to the 85 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: issues he had with the Packers and the young receivers 86 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: and losing DeVante Adams, like all that stuff kind of matters. 87 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Like Justin Fields can't be a Tier two or one 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: quarterback if you don't have any weapons. Justin Herbert I 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: have no issues with that. I know Rob g a 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: noted Justin Herbert hater because he loves the Raiders might 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: have had issues. The only guy I would put in 92 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: the top tier. And again, what exactly we basically it 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: on Like Jalen Hurts to me, it's just one year, 94 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: looks like a top tier guy. He should be in 95 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: the top tier. He was the best player on the 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: field in the Super Bowl. Yes, Patrick Mahomes, he was 97 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the best Jalen Hurts again. We'll see. They lose the coordinator, 98 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: they lose Miles Sanders, but a lot of the offensive 99 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: line I think is back. The top receivers are back. 100 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Like Jalen Hurts is gonna be fine. I would put 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: him in Tier one. Lamar Jackson now has done it 102 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: longer than Hurts. He has a larger body of work. 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: I would put him in Tier one. But then you're 104 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: like Jay, You're putting Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes in 105 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the same tier. And I think Lamar Jackson has one 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: or two playoff wins, but he hasn't really delivered in 107 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: the postseason and he's a running quarterback, So like, I 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: don't know, he would be bottom of Tier one. But 109 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: my Tier one is larger unless you want to go 110 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: super tier, where Mahomes is above everyone else. But like 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Trevor Larrence, I had to remind Coward when we talked 112 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: about this Monday. As much as we want to hype 113 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: Trevor Laurence and I like him. I loved him coming 114 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: at I thought the Jet should have tanked for him, 115 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: and they screwed that up. Shocker. Trevor Lawrence was three 116 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: and seven last year. Before a miraculous turnaround where they 117 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: needed like lucky ass wins to rally against the Ravens, 118 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Lucky Dak Prescott turnovers led to a massive rally against 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and then they get into the playoffs thanks 120 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: to a Josh Dobbs fumble in Week eighteen The spot Starter. 121 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: I like Trevor Lawrence a lot. I think he's gonna 122 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: be great. He's probably gonna ascend this year now that 123 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: they're adding Calvin Ridley, but for him to be ahead 124 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: of the guys like Kirk Cousins Stafford, it's befuddling to me, 125 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: So Rob, I guess my macro takeaway is a these 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: league executive and insiders who claim to know so much 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: about the NFL, like, let's be real, their opinions on 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't totally matter to me because of their ineptitude 129 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes is in a tear role to 130 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: himself essentially everybody would admit, yet nine teams passed on 131 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: him what he was being drafted like, it's just chilly. 132 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: And then I guess b I would expand Tier one 133 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: and bump Up Hurts into Tier one, Anna Lamar Jackson 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: into Tier one otherwise, I just I don't have massive 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: gripes with this list. 136 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean I have two. I wouldn't call them, well, 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: one's massive, one is less massive, but I'll start with 138 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: the one that's least of a hot take. I guess 139 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: you argue that the tiers should be expanded, that one 140 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: would instead of being five guy or was it five guys, 141 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: you might have it like at eight guys or whatever 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: it is you have it classified. I disagree. I think 143 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: it should be smaller. And it's compared similar to the 144 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: way the NBA is. I think if you're going to 145 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: debate who are the top ten players in the NBA 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: one through ten is going to vary from person to 147 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: person for the most part. It's just basically comes down 148 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: to preference and what you look for, what you value, 149 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: what you don't value, things like that, which is why 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: I always believed in the tier system. And to me, 151 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: if you're going to do an NBA tier, Jokic and 152 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Giannis are a tier to themselves, and then after that 153 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: it's kind of however you prefer, That's my opinion. Similar 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes obviously, if you want to 155 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: make a super duper tier, then he's by himself. But 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: if you have to classify him as a Tier one quarterback, 157 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: then to me, there's only three guys. It's Mahomes, Burrow, 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: and Allen and that's it. Everybody else. There's certain knocks 159 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: you can make on him, Like you mentioned, Jalen Hurts 160 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: only has one good season. Lamar Jackson as great as 161 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: he was a couple of years ago, he keeps getting 162 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: hurt and when he does play, he hasn't been as 163 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: good as he was during that MVP year. Things like that, 164 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: and then Justin Herbert, who is tier one in this list, 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't put him a Tier one in my list. 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: It's not that I don't like him, like I said, 167 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: I think he is the prototype of what you look 168 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: for in an NFL quarterback in terms of size and ability. 169 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: But if you are a Tier one best of the 170 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: best NFL quarterback, you have to win more than one 171 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: game above five hundred in your career as a starter. 172 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow with seven games above five hundred with seven 173 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: less starts as an NFL quarterback. Josh Allen is twenty 174 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: eight games above five hundred. So I don't understand to 175 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: your point. I don't understand how you can classify or 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: determine what designates this mattering more than this. Why does 177 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts one season not hold as much weight as 178 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert having all these stats but no wins to 179 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: back it up. In my opinion, Justin Herbert reminds me 180 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: a lot of a guy you just mentioned, Matthew Stafford. 181 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 2: If you just look at the x's and o's and 182 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: the size and the stats and the numbers and the ability, 183 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: they are the elite of the elite, and for whatever reason, 184 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: that doesn't translate to wins. And that's actually one thing 185 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: that they mentioned in the commentary about Justin Herbert is 186 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: the reason why I don't have him as a Tier 187 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: one quarterback according to one of these guys, is that 188 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: he just doesn't win enough. That they mentioned, Hey, the 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: reason why I have him a Tier two and not 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: Chier one, according to one head coach quote not lose 191 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: when you had that kind of a lead in the playoffs, 192 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: make a play when you have multiple opportunities to make one. 193 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: You know, like, I think that that's not too much 194 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: to ask for. If I'm going to be talking about 195 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: the elite of the elite. So that's one issue that 196 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: I have let. 197 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: Me pushed back. So Herbert gets rooted, voted, sorry, into 198 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: the top tier. I just want to remind people twenty twenty, 199 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: coming out of college, Washington drafted second. They didn't have 200 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback. They took Chase Young, Okay, so they did 201 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: not deem Herbert or to a worthy of the number 202 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: two pick. The Detroit Lions was drafting third. They did 203 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: not have Oh they did have Stafford at the time, 204 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: but he was old, and they took Jeff Okudah, a 205 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: quarterback who's down bounced around the league. Giants, drafting at four, 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: had Daniel Jones could have had to or Herbert, and 207 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: then number five the Miami Dolphins took two over Herbert. 208 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: So this idea that Herbert's like a Tier one guy, 209 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. Rob. I totally understand it. 210 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: He hasn't done it. But I guess if you're one 211 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: of these fifty league executives saying Herbert's the man, you're 212 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: looking at arm strength size. I mean, hell, if you 213 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: just put together a real I know it was a 214 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: win for your Raiders, but that Raiders Chargers game in 215 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: the final game of the season. You watch that game, 216 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Herbert alone in that game, even though they lost, which 217 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: is the story kind of in his career, that would 218 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: alone be worthy of Oh my gosh, Herbert's got to 219 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: be a Tier one guy. He must have had four 220 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: fourth down conversions to keep them alive on that unbelievable drive. 221 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't like ninety five yards, and there was multiple 222 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: fourth downs where it was like, there's no way they're dead, 223 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: they're cooked, and he puts it in a tiny window 224 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: and they keep delivering. Like Herbert in that game alone, Rob, 225 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean that probably was one of the best that 226 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: and Hurts in the Super Bowl, where two of the 227 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: best performances I can ever remember from a quarterback in 228 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: a losing effort. They were just herculean. And Herbert on 229 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: talent is going to be Tier one. But I guess 230 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: they're saying, based on what he's accomplished, he's not higher 231 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: in Tier one. I do want to pivot, Rob and 232 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: ask you this. So if I said there were three 233 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who could make the leap into year one into 234 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Tier one next year with a monster season, you could go, 235 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: like at Deshaun Watson for instance, we kind of have 236 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: incomplete data. They've only been doing tiers for three years. 237 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: I do like how the athletic has like a drop 238 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: down menu where you can look historically at where they 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: were tier wise. But remember Watson was suspended and only 240 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: played half the season. That didn't play the year before that. 241 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: So it's like a little wonky with a guy like Watson, who, 242 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: by the way, Rob, we would agree bottom a Tier one, 243 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: top a Tier two in his prime in Houston, Like, 244 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: come on, he was definitely up there. There's no doubt 245 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: about it. To me. And I look at a guy 246 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: like Watson, I'm like, listen, Watson Stefanski, full year, full 247 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: off season. That to me, Watson is a guy who 248 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: could make the leap into into Tier one. I think 249 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: the talent is undeniably there. Maybe he's put that ugly 250 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: lawsuit stuff for the massage parlor action behind him. Watson 251 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: is a guy I think could make the leap to 252 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Tier one. I think another guy and you know I 253 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: root against them, Tua Tugo Malowa. I'm not a Dolphins fan. 254 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: I openly admit this. I'm a Jets guy. The Dolphins 255 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: Jets were rivals forever. They play in the same division. 256 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: Rob if two is healthy. Why isn't he throwing for 257 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: forty five hundred yards and you know, thirty five to 258 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: forty touchdowns. We saw him last year healthy, he was 259 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: an MVP candidate. They were dominant. He's got Tyreek Hill, 260 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: He's got Wattle. If Tuoa is healthy, with Mike McDaniel, 261 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: they're in the mix. They're right there, Rob, So I 262 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: think Tua is a guy who could make the leap. 263 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I think Watson is the guy. And if you're looking 264 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: for one more, and this is a bit of a 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: dart throw, I've got Derek Carr making the leap, possibly 266 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: from Tier three to Tier one, mostly because he's on 267 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: he's a weak division. He's gonna put up big numbers. 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: And I really, really, really like what Carr can do 269 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: in the NFC, which is much weaker. I mean, he 270 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: was in a division, Rob, I don't know. You're a 271 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: car guy, baiting dating back to his days with the Raiders. 272 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: But Carr was always going to be overshadowed by Herbert. 273 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: He was always going to be overshadowed by Mahomes like 274 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: he just and then Russell Wilson gets there and it's like, 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: come on, cars, the worst quarterback of the division. But 276 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: he's still really good. And that's why you know, if 277 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: you listen to the NFC South preview, there's no reason 278 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: that the Saints aren't going to be a twelve win team. 279 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: And everybody's like, look at Carr. He's making all the throws. 280 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: Derek Carr to your one quarterback. So those are my 281 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: three guys that I would bet on looking at potential 282 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: upward mobility. 283 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: Rob, I love it. I agree with you. Derek Carr 284 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: coming into last season is the guy who I had 285 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: as a borderline top ten quarterback. I think I had 286 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: him right at ten actually, and he had two seasons 287 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: that were phenomenal when especially when you factor in everything 288 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: he had to deal with in Las Vegas. Yeah, the 289 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: coach getting fired for the emails. You had the number 290 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: one receiver arrested for killing someone. You had the number 291 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: onefted corner kicked off the team for threatening fans with 292 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: a gun on Instagram. You had a front office that 293 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: couldn't get anything right. And yet for what with Zay 294 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: Jones as his number one receiver, he leads them to 295 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: the playoffs and upsets everyone's favorite wonder kid, Justin Herbert. 296 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: So I'm on board with a Derek Carr resurgence in 297 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: New Orleans. I agree with you on Tua, and one 298 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: thing they mentioned in the Tears profile was that one 299 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: thing when it comes to to Ta specifically, is if 300 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: somebody likes him, and if somebody dislikes him, they're going 301 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: to use the same argument against them. So if they 302 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: like him, they're gonna say, oh, he doesn't have anyone 303 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: around him, and that's why he's not showing off better 304 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: than what he is. If they don't like him, they're 305 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: gonna say, well, he's gonna get someone around him. That's 306 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: only the reason he's succeeding is because he has guys 307 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: around him and Ta for whatever reason, and it's been 308 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: this way for a few years now. Whether it's a 309 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: guy like Colin Cowherd, who in my opinion, is very 310 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: low onto it, and then there's guys who are covering 311 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: the team daily in South Beach who think that too 312 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: is fantastic. He's reminds him of Drew Brees. So it 313 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: really depends on whether or not you come into the 314 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: season or come into his career thinking highly or low 315 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: of him. That's really what it comes down to. Another 316 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: guy who I think is poised to make a huge jump, 317 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: not because he didn't deserve to be in there already 318 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: to begin with, but because he has such a bad 319 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: season last year that everybody soured on him. Is Russell Wilson. 320 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: I think that he's going to have one of those 321 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: seasons that reminds people why he was a borderline Tier 322 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: one quarterback the previously. I think as recently as two 323 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: years ago, he was considered a Tier one quarterback. That 324 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: leads me to my bigger gripe. With the list that 325 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: I mentioned a few minutes ago, I don't think the 326 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: gap between Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson should be as 327 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: big as it is in this tier program based on 328 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: the way the rankings shakeout. I'm not going just on 329 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, one, two, three, four, five. I'm basing it 330 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: on their tier points, right, Because the way that this 331 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: works out, if you are everyone's voting you as a 332 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: Tier one quarterback, your voting average is a one point zero, Okay. 333 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers voting average is a one point four. That's 334 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: why he's considered the fourth best quarterback and his Tier 335 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: one quarterback, Russell Wilson's voting averages a two point eight, 336 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: which doesn't sound too bad until you consider that the 337 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: gap between Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson based on voting 338 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: is wider than the gap between Russell Wilson and Desmond Ritter, 339 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: which makes zero sense to me. I don't understand to 340 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 2: your point earlier to open up the podcast, how Russell 341 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: Wilson's nightmarish season and it was it was absolutely terrible 342 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: can be held against them in a way that it's 343 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: more they're holding it against him more when he had 344 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: a new team, new terminology and a head coach who 345 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: couldn't even get the plays in, which Champayne alluded to, 346 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: and when he did get the plays in. Historically is 347 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: one of the worst offensive minds that keeps getting jobs 348 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Like we talked about it on last 349 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: week's podcast, Nathaniel Hackett, when he's not in Green Bay 350 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodger, way did not call the plays famously. 351 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: That was Lafleur was like thirty second, thirty, first, twentieth. 352 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean he was way down there in terms of that. Great. Yeah, 353 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers last season in the same system that he 354 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: won the back to back MVPs with everybody in place 355 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: save for Devonte Adams, as far as I know. I mean, 356 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: someone can correct me, go ahead and correct me. And 357 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: he has his worst season ever, and yet that's not 358 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: hold against him in the same way that Russell Wilson's is. 359 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: And that's my biggest issue with the list period. 360 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: There is some recency bias for sure. Okay, Rob, I 361 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: forgot one guy and I had to look up some 362 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: numbers on him. I forgot one guy that I think 363 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: can make a major league So and a lot of 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: people think I'm being bullish on the Bears because I 365 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: want to overcompensate for what I said about Chicago. Remember 366 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: a few months ago, you know, flippantly, we were talking 367 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: about cities on the Herd and I said something like, 368 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: Chicago's one of your top cities. It's like, have you 369 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: It's like Afghanistan there, it's like a war zone. And 370 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: all these people freaked out and yelled at me, and 371 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: like websites were, you know, Jason Bash's Chicago The Sun 372 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Times like wrote about it. Some radio host was so 373 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: angry he went after me and ended up getting suspended. 374 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: It was just an ugly scene and it was just 375 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: a flippant comment. I was making a joke. I stand 376 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: by it. By the way, uh, I've been super pro Bears, right. 377 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: I like Justin Fields. I liked him. I'm gonna be 378 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: headed to Vegas here soon and gonna be one of 379 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: my bets. Will be Bears over win Total and Rob, 380 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: I see Justin Fields down at twenty one, okay, ahead 381 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: of Ryan Tana Thrill. Okay, ahead of Mac Jones, which 382 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: is kind of shocking, but bright below Gino Smith, Daniel Jones. 383 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: I think if I if Justin Fields is gonna have 384 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: the season, I think he's gonna have year two with 385 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: the same offense. They add DJ Moore like I believe 386 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: there is a world where Justin Fields makes the leap. 387 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's top ten quarterback, but I 388 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: can see him leaping into the upper echelon of Tier two. 389 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: I can totally see that happening. I can see Kirka 390 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Cousins sliding. But I think Fields can make as big 391 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: a leap as like a Tua or the other guys 392 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: that I mentioned that that would be the other guy 393 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: I want to watch now, Rob, I want to ask 394 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: you this, and this is probably a tough question and 395 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna end up looking like haters. I need you 396 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: to pick the guy from Tier one who drops out 397 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: of Tier one or what scenario do you see him 398 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: dropping out of Tier one after the season. 399 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess it doesn't make me look 400 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: start because I already said it. I don't think Justin 401 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: Hber is a Tier one quarterback anyways, So I guess 402 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: that's the year. 403 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: So I'm obviously not gonna say Aaron Rodgers. The guy 404 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm picking is Josh Allen, whoeverybody loves and even my 405 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: dog is upset and he's like walking away and starting 406 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: to get hoffy as he hears me banging on Josh Allen. 407 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: So a couple of things working, you know, the Stefan 408 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: dig stuff. I know they're trying to act like it's 409 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: a no big deal. Guys, it's it's something. It's definitely 410 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: not nothing. The coach even say, yeah, he's not here, 411 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. And again this is small potatoes. 412 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: But if you've been following Josh Allen and his off season, 413 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: so he's had a longtime girlfriend. They would travel together. 414 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking like five six years together. He recently broke 415 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: up with the girlfriend and is now dating some actress. 416 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't have her name. Off the top of my head. 417 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: But it's been a big change for him. And all 418 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: I know is in life changes like when you move 419 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: across the country, when you have a kid, when you 420 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: have a high profile situation. Don't you bark on me, buddy. 421 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: But a lot is going on right now with Josh Allen, 422 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: and a lot's happening with the Bills. They had to 423 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: extend the coach because everybody knew, oh Man, what an 424 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: ugly situation between McDermott Diggs. The GM people are wondering, gosh, 425 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: they got destroyed by the Bengals, like everything pulled back 426 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: a little. I know the record was great last year. 427 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: They had the Tomorrow Hamlin randomness. Just I can see 428 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: Josh Allen come in back a little bit. He says 429 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to run anymore. That's what makes him 430 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: very effective, So Rob, that would be the guy that 431 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: I would have. 432 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: Regressing a little, that's a little spicy because everybody loves Josh. 433 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: I love Josh Allen and it's not only is he 434 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: an absolute menace running the football, but he can throw 435 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: it as well as almost anybody in the league. So ye, 436 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: his abilities are right up there, and he wins a 437 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: lot of football games. You know, he does have an 438 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: issue with the turnovers, but for the most part, he 439 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: seems to make up for it by doing something superhuman 440 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 2: like three plays later. That's kind of the he's kind 441 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: of farving in that matter, where he can do something 442 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 2: that's gonna, you know, really piss you off, and then 443 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: do something that's gonna make you jump out of your seat, 444 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: you know, the next drive. I think my overall, you know, 445 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: big hot take. I guess from this tier system that 446 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: we've had now for a few years is I believe 447 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: next year, rather than having say a guy dropped down 448 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: from Tier one to tier two, because even with Justin Herbert, 449 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: I think the way these things shake out, he's gonna 450 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: still be in tiers one either way, even if I 451 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 2: don't think he personally is. I think that the quarterback 452 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: play in this league is better than it's ever been 453 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: top to bottom, and you're going to see that Tier 454 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: two where this guy is really good. I don't know 455 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 2: if he can quite carry a team by himself, but 456 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: if he put the right pieces around him in the 457 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: right situation, he's gonna do really well. I think that 458 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: that Tier two next season is gonna be bigger than 459 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: it's ever been. You might have as many as like 460 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: twelve guys in there because even right, Yeah, but he's 461 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: in Tier three, I believe this year. But like a 462 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: guy like a guy like Kirk Cousins, Right. I don't 463 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: think Kirk Cousins is anything special, but his numbers and 464 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: his consistency makes it so that, yeah, I could you 465 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: would see why someone would put him in a Tier two. 466 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: He's now in year two in the system. Justin Jefferson 467 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: is only getting better. He's gonna be more comfortable, So 468 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: I could see him having an even better year next 469 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: year than he had this past year. You mentioned Derek 470 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: Carr as a guy who can make the lead. I 471 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: think Jared Goff is probably gonna have a big season 472 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: in Detroit, and it's why you're picking them to win 473 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: that division, you know. I mentioned Russell Wilson jumping up 474 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: to a tongue of Iloa, jumping up Gino Smith, who 475 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: people seem to forget, was probably like an MVP consideration 476 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: through the first month and half of the season last year. 477 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if he can do that again. But 478 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: I really like the DK Metcalf, I really like Tyler Lockett, 479 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: and I love Jackson Smith and the JIGBA, so it's 480 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: not crazy for me to think that he has a 481 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: better season next year than he had last year. And 482 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: suddenly that group, like I mentioned that Tier two, which 483 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: had been five guys, like, it's not crazy to have 484 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: ten of them if that's the benchmark that we're gonna set, 485 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: unless you're gonna elevate Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson back 486 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: into Tier one or Deshaun Watson back into Tier one 487 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: and suddenly Tier one is ten guys. But I don't 488 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: know if that's the way these guys are gonna market 489 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: it that way. But I just think that the quarterback 490 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: play is better than ever and it's more likely than 491 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: not that the quarterback that you have is very good 492 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: then very bad for most NFL teams. 493 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I totally forgot this about Josh Allen, and 494 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: again I'm not saying he's going to fall, but if 495 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: I had to pick one in the top five, top tier, 496 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: I would pick Josh Allen as the guy to regress. 497 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: Remember lost Stable. I believe he led the league in 498 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: red zone turnovers last year or he was certainly up there. 499 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers obviously had some red zone issues last year 500 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. A lot of newness there. The other 501 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: thing I want to add is I looked at this stat. 502 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: You guys know Adam Churnoff. He always comes on the pod. 503 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him for this week NFL gambler. 504 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: He recently joined Right Angle Sports. Anybody who gambles knows 505 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: who they are, and we'll talk gambling with him. But 506 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: he had this stat. Are you ready for this? I 507 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard this stat. Rub quarterback 508 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: win laws record when opposing teams scores twenty eight or 509 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: more points. So again, win loss record. We're not supposed 510 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: to believe in that a lot, but when the opponents 511 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: scores twenty eight or more points, that means you got 512 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: to put up a lot of points. It's tough to 513 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: win those games. How tough. Tom Brady's career record when 514 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: the opposing steams opposing team scores twenty eight or more, 515 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is twenty and thirty three. Belichick's defenses have 516 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: been great. They don't often give up twenty eight or more. 517 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow hasn't had a lot of those defenses been great. 518 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow two and eight when the opposing team scores 519 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: twenty eight or more. Josh Allen five and ten. Buffalo 520 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: has had some good defenses, Lamar Jackson four and ten. 521 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: Are you getting a theme here? Aaron Rodgers, this is staggering. 522 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Seventeen and forty six. Jeez, that's horrible. Justin Herbert, your guy, Now, 523 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: this is interesting. Herbert was in the same draft as Burrow. 524 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: I just told you Burrow two and eight. When the 525 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: opposing team scores twenty eight or more, Herbert five and six, sixteen, 526 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: the defense can't. They've been awful for Burrow, an awful 527 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: for Herbert, and Burrow's at an outstanding defense. There's one 528 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: name I haven't mentioned, rob the guy in his own tier, 529 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. All those guys have losing records, some of 530 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: them dreadful. Aaron Rodgers seventeen and forty six. Patrick Mahomes 531 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: in his career, seventeen and thirteen, the only one with 532 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: a winning record. Like basically, you think, oh, we're gonna 533 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: outscore Patrick Mahomes, No you're not, because he's gonna come 534 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: through a deliver Like that's stat right there, and Shirtoff 535 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: said it. I had to rewind and write down all 536 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: this time, Can this be right? I had to look 537 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: it up. I was like, oh my gosh, Like again, 538 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: Tom Brady thirteen under five hundred in his career when 539 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: the opponent scores twenty eight or more. Mahomes is four 540 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: over five hundred. That's a staggering All those superstars have 541 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: losing records. Patrick Mahomes is on another level. I know 542 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: people want to put Burrow there, and he's been to 543 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. It's Mahomes and everyone after that. It 544 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: feels a little dial backing else you want to. 545 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: Add Rob Well just to piggyback off what you just said. 546 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: We need to scrap this entire We'll tell Mike stand 547 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: up tomorrow when he comes on the pod. Scrap the 548 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: entire scoring system and say Patrick Mahomes is Tier one 549 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: and then you figure out tier two after that. This 550 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: is just it's not fair at this point to any 551 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: of those other guys, Burrow, Alan, Herbert Roger, whoever, your 552 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: next favorite guy. 553 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: Is. 554 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: The gap between just then, Patrick Mahomes and everybody else 555 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: is the Grand Canyon. 556 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: It's it's massive. By the way, I forgot to ask, 557 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: how was Vegas? Rob, But you were there for the fight. 558 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: I was there for the fight. It was great. It 559 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: was hot. Ran into a lot of hot in the desert. 560 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: It's stunning. 561 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 2: It was very hot. I was actually telling you I 562 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: was at the pool. I was at the pool. Is 563 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: at the pool, which one well, they put all of 564 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: the or most of them working media were staying at 565 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: the New York New York, which I never stayed in, 566 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: you know, in like fifteen years, and so they totally 567 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: remodeled it. It was It was nice, and it was 568 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: right there in close proximity to where the media section 569 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: was for the radio row as well as the fight. 570 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: If I was at Timoble Arena. Funny story, I was 571 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: telling one of the other producers before we started recording, 572 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: I had a ticket to the fight, so I was 573 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: ready to go. But you and I have talked before, 574 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: we talked on this podcast that my dad passed away 575 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: last year. Before he passed away, my brothers and him 576 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 2: had decided, Hey, we're gonna do a guys trip every year. 577 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: This is what we're going to do. Blah blah blah. 578 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: So this year, it was trying to figure out dates 579 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: and I said, he, I'm going to be in Vegas 580 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 2: for the fight, And suddenly everybody's available to go, you know. 581 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: So we decided to make The Guy's Weekend last weekend, 582 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: and I told the people who were setting up our tickets, 583 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I know I can't get my brothers in, 584 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: so just go ahead and keep the ticket. It is 585 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: what it is. I'll watch it at one of those 586 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: watch parties. You know. Don't worry about it because historically 587 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: a guy like me who's not Stephen A. Smith or 588 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre or Colin Coward, I mice seat's way at 589 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: the top normally, like I'm like the very last row. 590 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: That's where I'm at. And so I'm the main events 591 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: about to start, I'm watching at a bar. I text 592 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: Chris Brustard and Rob Parker, who've both been on this podcast, 593 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: said hey, do you guys get your seats? How is it? Everything? 594 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: Everything good? They sent me a picture they had floor seats. 595 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: So had I not given up my seat, I would 596 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: have been rubbing elbows with Shannon Sharp and chrisp Start 597 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: and Rob Parker. Uh, several celebrities were within arms reach 598 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: of where they were sitting. That could have been me, 599 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: And instead I spent it, you know, because I didn't 600 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: want to be a jerk and leave my brothers. Oh 601 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: I had to watch it at a bar in downtown 602 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: Vegas instead of on the floor. 603 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I thought this was going to go 604 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: many many ways. I thought they were going to offer 605 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: you two more ticket. I thought you would just say 606 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: to your brother's fellas, I'll catch up with you after 607 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: the fight. I gotta go, I gotta go to floor seats. Wow. Yeah, 608 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Gee, what a what a guy? 609 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Poor audible? I mean it was I audibled into an 610 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: interception to use a quarterback situation. I thought I had 611 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: the right play. 612 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to say the bar that you 613 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: went to? I'm just curious because on see, I don't 614 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: know any other bars in Vegas other than like the 615 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: hotel bars. 616 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it was one. I don't even know which 617 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: hotel it was. Because we had planned to see it 618 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: at the Circa because they had that great stadium swim 619 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: and I don't know if you've seen the pictures. 620 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: That is the biggest sausage festiv but it's also way downtown. 621 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it would have been able to watch the 622 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: fight at a big and so, but unfortunately they were 623 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: showing the UFC, and it was really hard to find 624 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: a bar that was showing the boxing. Really yeah, So 625 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: I don't even know the name of the hotel we 626 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: ended up at, but we watched it there. 627 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: So the boxing fight was in Vegas, the UFC was 628 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: in like Salt Lake City, and Vegas hotels were all 629 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: showing UFC. 630 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: At least that one was, and then everything on the strip. 631 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: The way it was explained to me was you either 632 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: had to buy tickets to go to the fight, which 633 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna do because at that point it was 634 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: too expensive. And they had a watch party at the 635 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: MGM Grand in their arena, but that was one hundred 636 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: and twenty five dollars a person, and I'm like, well, 637 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: I could have ordered the fight for one hundred dollars 638 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: so I was able to watch. I don't, like I said, 639 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: I don't even remember the name of where we ended up. 640 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: But wasn't anything fancy. It was. I saw the fight though, 641 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: that's it. 642 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: Wait wait was it Crazy Horse too? 643 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: No? It was not. 644 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Okay, No, it's just I just thought I tossed that 645 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: out there, all right, Uh, lengthy pod on a Tuesday. 646 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: We'll have I think back to back NFL guests, and 647 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: then again Thursday night we got the Jets. I don't 648 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: know who's going to play, so I'm not getting too excited. 649 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any what of relevance is going to 650 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: do more than a series, but very exciting NFL is here. Also, 651 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: now that we're in August, Rob, have you been getting 652 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: any fantasy football texts about setting up drafts and stuff, 653 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: because that's next. I think I might be in like 654 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: six leagues this year. 655 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: Oh see, that's too many, because don't you end uprooting 656 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: against yourself the more leagues you get into. 657 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean initially you do, but you know, by week 658 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: six you know which team has a chance, which game doesn't. 659 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: You know. 660 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: It's a good point. 661 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's a numbers game. Numbers game. All right, 662 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: talk to you guys tomorrow.