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Thanks 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: for listening to The Herd Podcast. 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: To the Herd, It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: He is enjoying the last days of summer before football begins. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: It is a beautiful Monday, and I'm joined by Rachel Nichols. 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: Everybody knows and loves Rachel Nichols, a longtime veteran journalist, host, analyst. 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: I mean she's done everything, Rachel, how was your weekend? 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: You know, I was in Orlando for the Big Three 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: Championship game working with CBS, so it was kind of 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: crazy to see how much that lead has grown. Yeah, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: right when it started, it was sort of like a 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: random off thing to do in the summer, and like 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: it's legit, man night, it's a full packed arena and 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: your names, you know, like Michael Beasley, Land, Stevenson, Mare 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 3: Chalmers winning the title. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 4: So you saw that fun. Orlando, very sunny in August, 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: a little heat there. 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: It wasn't my favorite location to be in August, but 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: you know, you go where the basketball is. 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: Yes, speaking of heat. My week off, I popped over. 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: To Vegas, made some bets for the season, the upcoming 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: football season, and I saw Dave Matthews in concert. Excellent show. 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: As always, We have an excellent show ahead. We'll do 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: some gambling a lot of NFL as the week. We 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: are now ten days away from the beginning of the 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: NFL season. Oh boy, I am very excited. However, before 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: I left for vacation, there were a couple of big 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: NFL stories. Caleb Williams, is he gonna mesh with Ben Johnson? 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: I return, and it's still a problem. The Dallas Cowboys. 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: Michael Parsons, what's going on with him? And Jerry It's 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: still a problem. But bigger than both of those, perhaps combined, 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: is the shit Doer Sanders developing situation in Cleveland. 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: Folks. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: There's no way around this. He is the most hyped 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: fifth round draft pick in the history of football. And 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: Chadour took the field in the second half for the 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: Browns and as you can see, here on FS one, 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: it was a bit of a poop show. In the 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: final preseason game for Shadoor Sanders, he was an unmitigated disaster. 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: In the second half, he was three for six for 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: fourteen yards. 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: And it gets worse. 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: He was sacked as you could see, running for his 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: life five times for minus forty one yards. So, if 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: you're keeping track at home, Rachel and I had more 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: net passing yards than Shadure Sanders did on Saturday night, folks, 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: this was bad, but a funny thing happened as the 53 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: critiques unfolded Sunday morning. And listen, I'm telling you right now, 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: every single podcast, TV show, radio show, anybody writing about 55 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 2: the NFL today is leading with Shador Sanders because it's 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: just so wacky what's going on in Cleveland. So you 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: guys know, in Hollywood out out here in LA there's 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: a thing called a nepo baby, Right, your mom or 59 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: dad were famous. 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: So they were in music or entertainment and they. 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: Get handed something, whether it's an album, a TV role, directing, 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 2: and usually they're panned. 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: Oh come on, nepo baby, they were handed it. They've 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: got to prove. 65 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: It before they get the accolades. The opposite seems to 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: be happening with Shadoor. Sanders his legion of fans. He's 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: now a celebrity quarterback. They're just expecting him to make 68 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: the roster. I don't know that it's a one hundred 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: percent lock. I think he's gonna make it. We'll know 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 2: by Tuesday at four o'clock. But everybody's just expecting him 71 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: to be given everything, and folks, that's just not how 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: it works in the NFL. And if you listen to 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: shaduur talk, I mean, after this performance against the Rams, 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: it was bad and there's some more bad news coming 75 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: after it. But here's Shadoor talking about, Oh my gosh, 76 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: how upset he was that he was pulled before getting. 77 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: A chance to redeem himself in the two minute draw. 78 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 5: If I could go back and do anything, I mean, 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: it's always everything in. 80 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 6: Life if you had that chance. 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 5: But we don't have the lux for you to travel 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: back in time. As a kid, I want to go 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 5: back and do things differently. So overall, of course, you 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 5: know you wish you can, But in the battle, the moment, 85 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 5: in the heat of the battle, you know you want 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 5: to be the out. You want to be that dog 87 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 5: you want to be out there in that final two 88 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: minute drive, so you know, of course, of course small things, 89 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 5: of course frustrate, but that that's what happens, you know, 90 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 5: when you want a player to be able to change 91 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 5: a franchise. 92 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, smiling on the outside, maybe crying on the inside. 93 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: Listen, it was very clear he. 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Was not happy to be pulled by Stefanski. So they 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: put in Snoop Puntley, veteran quarterback twenty seven years old, 96 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 2: second tour of duty with the Browns. 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 4: He leads him right down the field for the game 98 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 4: when fieldbal okay. 99 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 2: And all these fans of Shador, I'm trying to understand 100 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: why they love him so much, and he's like, he's 101 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: a guy, I get it. His dad is Deon Sanders, 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: and he's kind of swagged out. 103 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: But he was terrible. Can we be real? 104 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus had a number that was staggering. Shadeur's 105 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 2: average time to throw was five point one to three 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: seconds Saturday night. That's an eternity for a quarterback. And 107 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: he was still sacked five times in playing backyard football 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: and running around. 109 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: So yet this weird thing happens, Well, wait. 110 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: A minute, hold on, did you see that the Browns 111 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: cut four of the five linemen who were blocking for Shador. 112 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: They cut them on sat on Sunday, so they weren't 113 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: giving Shador a fair chance. 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: Hello, guys, two of those linemen who were cut were 115 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: also playing for Dylan Gabriel in the first half, and 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel absolutely cooked, moved the team up and down 117 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: the field nine for eleven, had a touchdown. 118 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, two of those linemen. 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Were also blocking for Stup Huntley on that final two 120 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: minute drive. And side note, Dylan Gabriel was not sacked. 121 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: Stup Huntley was not sacked. So Kevin Stefanski, naturally he's 122 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: getting asked, yo, were you trying to sabotage your quarterback? 123 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 4: Which is mind blowing nonsense. Here's Stefanski. 124 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 7: Can you address this sort of persistent narrative that that 125 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 7: you're trying to sabotage Shadoor Sanders, especially after, you know, 126 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 7: after yesterday and not putting him in for the two minute. 127 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously I don't. 128 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 8: I don't concern myself with outside type of things, but uh, 129 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 8: you know, I'm committed to his development just like all 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 8: of our rookies. So I We'll continue to focus on 131 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 8: getting our guys better, and that's what we'll stay committed to, 132 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 8: and that's what's important to me. 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: Things are not good for Stefanski. Member, this is a 134 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: guy who at to deal with the Baker Mayfield nonsense. 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, of course, was trying to play through an 136 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: injury to grint. 137 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: It out disaster. Then he had Deshaun Watson. Awful, let's 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: not just speak of it, folks. 139 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: This is reminiscent of Bronnie James from two summers ago. Okay, 140 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: remember it was like, who's the first pick in the 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: Brownie Draft? I don't know, Bronnie went to the Lakers. 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: It's all anybody cares about. Did you know Kim Ward 143 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: got in a preseason fight? Good luck fighting that online. 144 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: You know how Travis Hunter doing trying to be a 145 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: generational two way profit? 146 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: Oh, we don't know. 147 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: It's all about the fifth round or Shaudur, Folks, I 148 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: have a solution. 149 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: I'm one of these guys. I like to be solution oriented. 150 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 6: You know. 151 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: Apparently, you know, when the wife is upset with something, 152 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: you're supposed to really listen and take it in, And 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: I'm instantly like, let's just fast forward to the solution. 154 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: I cannot deal with this negativity, so I want to 155 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: deal with the solution for Shadeur. And I got shouted 156 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: down in the morning meeting when I said, I got it. Guys, 157 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: did you see the Raiders? They lost ad O'Connell out 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: six eight weeks fractured in. If I'm the Brown, get 159 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: chaduor out of here, please, I can't deal with this anymore. 160 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: Let's just ship him to the Raiders. Jay, nobody's trading 161 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: for Shador. Well, wait a sec, Wait a sec. Pete 162 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: Carroll did meet with Shadeur at the Combine. Schadeur loves Vegas. 163 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: Go look at his Instagram from January February. A big 164 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: fan of Vegas called Vegas legendary. It's not really legendary anymore, 165 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: but I understand why wouldn't the Raiders say, hey, let's 166 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: bring him in to be the backup. He can learn 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: from Gino Smith, who, by the way, struggled big time 168 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: when he was with the Jets right out of college. 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Go ask Mark Sanchez about that. Sorry, Mark, listen, I 170 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: think Shadur can learn a lot. Nobody's gonna ask for 171 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: him to start in Vegas. Want to ship him out 172 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: of town. Hey man, we'll take a week and get 173 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: let's cut our losses. We don't need these headaches. And 174 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: guess who else is following them out the door? The 175 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: entire media. Nobody won't care about Cleveland anymore. 176 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: Browns. 177 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: You got to fix this now, from one problem to another. 178 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: Let's go to Dallas and uh Jerry Jones to Michah Parsons. 179 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: I think this is like round nine. I think is 180 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: that where we are? Folks? 181 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the video from the weekend the 182 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys played a preseason game. Michael Parsons the only 183 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: cowboy on the sideline not in a jersey. Michael Parsons 184 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: also laying down on a table while the football was 185 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: being played, And of course the media is freaking out. 186 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 4: Who cares what happened on the field because it's Michaeh Parsons. Now, 187 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: Michael's got a bad back. 188 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: But the Brian Schottenheimer spoke to the media and was like, hey, 189 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: he came back pretty clean. You can see where this 190 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: is headed. It's about to get ugly in Dallas. You know, 191 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: I already think the Cowboys are gonna be a bit 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: of a dumpster fire. But let's hear Jerry Jones talking 193 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: about the situation with his star defender Michaeh Parsons. 194 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 9: We wanted to send the details to the agent. The agent, 195 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 9: so it was to stick it up. We had our 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 9: agreements on term amun, guarantees, everything. We were going to 197 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 9: send it over to the agent, and the agent said, 198 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 9: don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. A lot, 199 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 9: already negotiated that, already moved off my marm own several areas. 200 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 9: It's the mama daddy deal. You go into mama and 201 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 9: she won't do it, and she's the boss, so boss, 202 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 9: she won't do it. So you run into daddy. Daddy says, 203 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 9: do it, and then you go back in say mama, 204 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 9: Daddy said it was all right. 205 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: You lost me there, Jerry. Sounds like a Thanksgiving dinner 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: story from your grandpa. 207 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: Listen. 208 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to be too harsh here on Jerry Jones. 209 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: He's a power player in the NFL. 210 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: I get it, But I am one thousand percent siding 211 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons here a thousand. 212 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: It's not even close. 213 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: I got to pick up for the little man in 214 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: this discussion with a billionaire. 215 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 4: Jerry, this isn't your first rodeo. 216 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 6: You know. 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: That's not how negotiations work. You can't just do have 218 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: a sideal with the player and then it goes to 219 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: the agent. You're ah, not gonna have. That's just not 220 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: how it works. Now, Jerry's been down this road before. 221 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: Deal with DAK was a disaster, strung it out. 222 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: To the last moment. 223 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: Deal with CD Lamb did not go well, that was ugly, 224 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: But Jerry gets it on some level. We are now 225 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: in an attention economy, right, that's what it's all about. 226 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: Are you talking about Dallas? 227 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 6: Yes? 228 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: Is Jerry going on Michael Irvin's podcast. I didn't even 229 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: know Mike had a podcast. Maybe that's new. Congratulations Mike, 230 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: and Jerry's making the rounds and he's just talk about us. 231 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: We're Dallas, Please keep us in the news. And then 232 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: as many people suspect, a deal will get down at 233 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: the last moment. Chris Jones, you guys remember with the 234 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: Chiefs a couple of years ago, or maybe it was 235 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: last year, or whenever they played the Lions in Week one. 236 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: He missed the game and it was like, Okay, we've 237 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: got to get the. 238 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 4: Chris Jones deal done. 239 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: But what's different is Chris Jones had made a lot 240 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: of money Mikes still on his rookie deal, and Jerry 241 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: said something last week about how, hey, we've got him 242 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: under contract. 243 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: For three more years. That sounds like he's pretty dug in. 244 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: If you're a Dallas fan and you love Michael Parsons, 245 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's the best selling 246 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: jersey on the Cowboys. 247 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: If it's not number one, it's two or three, it's 248 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: right there at the top. 249 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: You're starting to alienate your fan base a little over 250 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: what a contract really. You were gonna make him the 251 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 2: highest paid and now you're not because the agent is 252 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: getting involved. Like I'm just hopeful, folks, that this is 253 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: the last last we're gonna hear this and Dallas both 254 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: sides come to the table and get a deal done. However, 255 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: if you want to go back to this Emmett Smith situation, 256 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: which is slightly different because he was a free agent, 257 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: but he was at the height of his powers. The 258 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: Cowboys were a juggernaut in the mid nineties and Emmett 259 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: remember sat out the first two games of the season 260 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: waiting for a deal, ended up getting it after they 261 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: went zero and two. What happens if the Cowboys get 262 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: smashed in week one with know Michael Parsons, does Jerry 263 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: capitulate or does he say we've got him. 264 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 4: For three more years? 265 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: Well, Micah, you know, he could bring in an independent 266 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,479 Speaker 2: doctor and say, oh my back, I can't go, Hey 267 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: can't play, and it gets really ugly. Now it could 268 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: already be a lost season for Dallas. But can't we 269 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: all just get along? I mean, I'm hopeful, I'm really 270 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: hopeful the Cowboys. We need stars like Michael Parsons in 271 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: this league. So Rachel, I don't know, we'll see. I'm 272 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: really rooting for Mica to get it done. But this 273 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: this negotiation looks kind of ugly. 274 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: It feels different than some of the other ones you 275 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: mentioned right there. Feels like there's more bad blood here. 276 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: And the Cowboys have an advantage. 277 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: They've got two years of franchising they can do after 278 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: this year, which is the last year. 279 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: On his contract. 280 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: So Jerry has said we got three years to work 281 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: this out. So Mike is not in the power position here, 282 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: and if he just continues to sit out and sit out, 283 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: it'll cost him money if he can't get a medical excuse, 284 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: and even if he can, this is years off his 285 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: prime years of his career. 286 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: It's a big deal. 287 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: He hasn't made and he didn't make that much in 288 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: NIL because it was a COVID years of its. 289 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: I'm rooting for you, Michael, but it's an uphill climb. 290 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 10: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 291 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 10: at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 292 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 10: FS one and the iHeartRadio App. 293 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 11: Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together we're 294 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 11: Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. 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ZIZI 326 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: backa taran for Colin Coward. 327 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: Join bye, Rachel Nichols telling us Brett Farm long stories. 328 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 8: I love it. 329 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: She's got a lot of good stuff. Cover the NFL 330 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: for more than a decade. There's a lot of good 331 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: stories buried in there, for sure. 332 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: Goodness, we got Mike Jones of the Athletic coming up. 333 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: This is Aaron Rodgers stuff. I was thinking about it on 334 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: the elevator ride. I'm not going to fire it now. 335 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: We touched on earlier. We'll we'll get to Aaron Rodgers 336 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: here shortly, but I want to start briefly with a 337 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: team and a player near and dear to Colin Cowhard, 338 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: and that's Caleb Williams of the Bears. Listen, the preseason 339 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: has basically all the oxygen has been sucked out by 340 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: like four guys. Michael Parsons, Shador Sanders, Caleb Williams definitely 341 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: leading the charge. Aaron Rodgers's distant third or fourth. But 342 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: this Caleb Williams stuff is just I don't know what 343 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: to make of it. 344 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 4: Again. 345 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: Two years ago, the talk was, oh, Caleb boy, he 346 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: could be the face of the NFL in four years. 347 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: We get so freaking excited about these guys. For one 348 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: season of college football, some dynamic throws at Caleb Williams, 349 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: he was awesome at times for USC. Then he fell 350 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: into like the backyard quarterback stuff and now he gets 351 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: a good coach and we're expecting greatness. And the last 352 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: month has been anything but great from Caleb Williams and 353 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: cryptic stuff from Ben Johnson. 354 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: All Right, I'm not going to be out here hammering 355 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams again. 356 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: Last week I mentioned Johnny Manzel and all the sicko 357 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: fans in Chicago like came after me. Folks listen to 358 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson after their preseason game against the Chiefs. 359 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: You listen to this. 360 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 12: Offensively, the first two possessions was really sloppy football that 361 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 12: you know has plugged us in and out of camp 362 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 12: so far. It is disappointing to me offensively for sure, 363 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 12: because that's I thought that we'd kind of worked our 364 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 12: way out of that. The first quarter was really any 365 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 12: indication it's not good enough. 366 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 6: So we got to get better in a hurry. 367 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 12: But yeah, we got to make sure that we start 368 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 12: faster on offense and on defense. 369 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: Oh boy, now listen, this is his first road as 370 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: a head coach. Oh see in Detroit behind walk around 371 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: guy Dan Campbell, who we will get you interesting story 372 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: on Campbell later. 373 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 4: In the show. 374 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: But is Ben Johnson coming in a little bit hot? 375 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: Here a lot of veiled comments about Caleb, and I 376 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: don't want to I don't know Caleb. I've never spoken 377 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: to him, but I don't want to presume his psyche. 378 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: But there were some things we saw in college. Maybe 379 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: it was a college kid where he didn't exactly react 380 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: great when things were not going his way. And I'm 381 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: gonna play a clip for you here about Ben Johnson 382 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: talking about someone. But before I play it, we're running 383 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: highlights from their Chiefs game. The very first play was 384 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: a fumble with Caleb Williams under center. Now was on 385 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: the handoff, but still that's not Chris. That's sloppy, bro, 386 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: your second year quarterback, your face of the franchise. Bears 387 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: fans are like, always you gotta throw for four thousand yards? 388 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 4: Who cares? 389 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: We get the snap and the Cadence down. Okay, So 390 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: here's the quote. Listen to Ben Johnson. I'm not going 391 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: to tell you the answer till the end, but think 392 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: about who he's talking about here. 393 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 12: I've really been blown away by his approach from the 394 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 12: spring to the start of camp to where we are now. 395 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 12: He does a tremendous job, knowing what to do, how 396 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 12: to do it, and getting it done. 397 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: Okay, he's not talking about Caleb Williams. He's gassing up 398 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: his backup quarterback. As Rachel said first hour, the backup 399 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: quarterback is always the most popular guy in town. That's 400 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: Tyson Beaijen, whose father was like a proclaimed arm wrestler. 401 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Beijen just got a new deal. Huh, 402 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: what are you giving a backup quarterback? 403 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 6: Who? 404 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not of the belief that he's like 405 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: one of the elite quarterbackups in the league, but that 406 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: had to raise some eyebrows in the Caleb Williams camp. 407 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 4: No paying this backup. It's my job. 408 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we get that, but we want some insurance. That's 409 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: not a good sign. Now again, this is all preseason. 410 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: Maybe the live bullets start firing and Caleb is unbelievable. 411 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: But I've got my doubts, folks, I'm not gonna lie. 412 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 10: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 413 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 10: and noon eastern non a em Pacific. 414 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in Mike Jones from the Athletic Covers. 415 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: The NFL covered the NFL for the last fifteen years 416 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: worked at the Washington Post. Someone here knows someone here 417 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: read that newspaper growing up, and someone here worked for 418 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: that newspaper. 419 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 4: Mike, how are you, man? 420 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 6: I'll go, well, how are you guys doing this morning? 421 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: You know, I can't complain. It's Monday. 422 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: Football's almost here, We're ten days away from the opener. 423 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: I do have to ask, though, you know, you do 424 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts, You're going on a lot of 425 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: TV radio shows. Are you surprised by the amount of 426 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: questions about Shador Sanders, a fifth round pick who is 427 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: fourth on the depth, like he's the topic djur in 428 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: the NFL. 429 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I have written a lot about him, 430 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 13: you know, coming out of the draft, and there's been 431 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 13: just a huge buzz about the Sanders, him and also 432 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 13: his brother as well. 433 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: And you know, yeah, I was talking to somebody just this. 434 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 13: Morning and about all the just the scrutiny that is 435 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 13: surrounding him and the Browns and the handling of him, 436 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 13: and I'm like, you know, when you really think about it, 437 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 13: this is a fifth round pick. Like we don't really 438 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 13: talk about fifth round pick quarterbacks and the other opportunities 439 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 13: are limited, but this isn't a normal fifth round pick. 440 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 13: This is the guy that we thought would go a 441 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 13: lot higher and whose skill set we are led to 442 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 13: believe is, you know, much better than a regular fifth 443 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 13: round pick. So again, the brand, the name, everything has 444 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 13: just made this a bigger deal he is. I'm putting 445 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 13: together my list of twenty five most intriguing players entering 446 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 13: the twenty twenty. 447 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 6: Five season, and I'm not gonna you. 448 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: Know, she's probably on that list, probably the top five. 449 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 4: That was interesting. 450 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: You use a word, Mike, You said brand. A rookie 451 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: quarterback who was taking the fifth round has a brand. 452 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think Josh Allen when he came into 453 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: the league from Wyoming, what was his brand? 454 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: Did Patrick Mahomes have one? Out of Texas Tech? Like 455 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 4: the fact that he has. 456 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: A brand like, great for him, But I don't know 457 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 2: that that's actually what you want your quarterback having coming 458 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: out of college, is it? 459 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 6: Well? 460 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 13: I mean, this is a new even, you know, a 461 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 13: new age, even from when Josh Allen and when Patrick 462 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 13: Mahomes were coming out. 463 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have brands. 464 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 13: You know, there wasn't the whole There was social media, 465 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 13: but not the level that it is now where guys 466 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 13: have YouTube channels and nil deals and all kinds of 467 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 13: things like that. You know, this guy's got a Hall 468 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 13: of Fame football coach father, you know, and so football 469 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 13: player turned football coach as a father. 470 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 6: So yeah, there's a whole lot more with here. But 471 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 6: I think that the. 472 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 13: Thing that is most important is does he have a 473 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 13: work ethic? 474 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 6: You know, yeah, he's got a brand. Does have a 475 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 6: work ethics? 476 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 13: Does he have you know, teachability and all those things, 477 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 13: the athleticism, everything it takes to be an NFL player. 478 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 13: As long as you have that, then teams don't care 479 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 13: if you have a brand. But you know, you're talking 480 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 13: about Caleb Williams. He certainly, you know, had kind of 481 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 13: a brand coming out. 482 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 6: And you know, it's not always about that stuff. 483 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 13: It's what you can do on this higher level than 484 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 13: what you were in college. 485 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 4: You're you're right, it is kind of a new era. 486 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 2: I think Johnny Manzel probably had a brand, is that 487 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: fair to say, coming out of A and M. 488 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was a good brand, right, 489 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: but it was a brand. 490 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 13: There was, Yeah, there was there was a kind of 491 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 13: a cult following type of thing about him. You know, 492 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 13: I don't think it's quite the whole. You know, is 493 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 13: the same level as Chadors. 494 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 6: But yeah, kind of. 495 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: Like that Trevor Lawrence kind of a he's in is 496 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: he a bust or not? 497 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 6: Kind? 498 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: But I don't think he has a brand. He just 499 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: hasn't been a good quarterback. I mean, he's not a 500 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: jeopardy of getting bench. But let's spin it forward a 501 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: do you think the Browns keep Shador? Do you think 502 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: they Is it possible? I floated the idea of trading 503 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: him to the Raiders, just getting him off the roster, 504 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: getting whatever. You can't just take a seventh round pick 505 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: to take the loss. I don't know what's your guests 506 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: for Shador Week one? 507 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 6: No, I mean I think that he's on the team. 508 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 13: I'm not saying that he's going to be active in 509 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 13: Week one, but I think that he's going to be 510 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 13: on this team. There are still people in that building 511 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 13: who really believe in his potential. And look, if he's 512 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 13: not ready, it's okay. They have a really tough stretch 513 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 13: of their season here to open the schedule. You would 514 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 13: be much more comfortable with Joe Flacco going up against 515 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 13: some of those defenses, Like you know, you know, in 516 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 13: Detroit and Green Bay and Baltimore. Why throw a rookie 517 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 13: to the wolves like that. But there's also questions about 518 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 13: the handling of Shador and the developmental plan and if 519 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 13: the Browns are all on the same page on how 520 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 13: to get him ready, you know, and so there are 521 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 13: questions about that. But I think that, yeah, he's going 522 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 13: to be on this team. We'll see what the progress is. 523 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 13: I wouldn't be surprised, you know, late this year we 524 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 13: wind up seeing him in the field. It wouldn't surprise 525 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 13: me at all. 526 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 4: Interesting. 527 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: Let's go to Aaron Rodgers briefly, hopefully only briefly. He 528 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: kind of was talking on a podcast with DK Metcalf 529 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: and DK Metcalf flow. 530 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: To, hey, maybe maybe you. 531 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: Staying beyond this year, you know, maybe we'll run it back, 532 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers said, maybe, Mike. 533 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 4: What are we to take of Aaron Rodgers at this point? 534 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: I mean, we. 535 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: Haven't even got to the him versus Arthur Smith stuff 536 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: that's gonna bubble up inevitably, But like, where are you 537 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: on Rogers in Pittsburgh? 538 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: Are they? Is he going to make your most intriguing list? 539 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 6: Yeah? 540 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 14: Look, he everything is great, right, now, I was up 541 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 14: there for training Gimp in Latrow a couple of weeks ago, 542 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 14: and you know, he's talking about loving like remembering how 543 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 14: to play video games and playing cards with the guys 544 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 14: and connecting and being in this, you know, back with 545 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 14: the Stables story franchise, kind of liking Green Bay with 546 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 14: the head. 547 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 6: Coach he really respects and all that stuff. 548 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 13: But there are no bullets are flying yet, and so 549 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 13: we'll see what happens when that offensive line struggles to 550 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 13: protect him and the run game is just kind of 551 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 13: man and you know, and this defense provide the backing 552 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 13: it needs. It seems like they've added pieces like Jalen 553 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 13: Ramsey and Sleigh, and they retained TJ. 554 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 6: Watt and extended him. But still there are a lot of. 555 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 13: Questions here, and so I wrote about that, like, hey, 556 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 13: the field, good vibes are good, But that's going to 557 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 13: take way more than that, and it's more to do 558 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 13: what's around Aaron Rodgers that's going to say how successful 559 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 13: this is. 560 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 6: And just like you said, we saw it in New York. 561 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 13: Everything was great and then when things started getting hairy, 562 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 13: there was finger pointing and Rogers is not afraid to 563 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 13: pull back the curtain and call out dysfunction, and so 564 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 13: we could see that happen in Pittsburgh. Yes, we think 565 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 13: of them as really stable under Mike Tomlin, you know, 566 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 13: nose losing seasons. But if this thing is not playing 567 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 13: out really well, we could see a frustrated Rogers definitely 568 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 13: air some dirty laundry. 569 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 4: Oh, can't wait for that one. Let's go to Washington. 570 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: Terry mcclurey and just got a new deal today, three years, 571 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: ninety six mil. Happy for Washington. Rachel has some concerns 572 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: about the defense. I am a little skeptical. 573 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 4: I grew up in the DC area. 574 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: A lot of my buddies are like doing that again. 575 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: Run to the NFC championship would be difficult. You wrote 576 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: a piece on Daniels last month that I thought was 577 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: a good one. 578 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 4: I'm curious your thoughts on Washington. 579 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: Can they even come close to duplicating last year's heroics. 580 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 13: That's gonna be tough. You know, they came out of nowhere. 581 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 13: Now they're on everybody's radar. They can't sneak up on anybody. 582 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 13: I think the moves that they've made in the offseason, 583 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 13: Adam Peters and Dan Quinn as they put this thing together. 584 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 6: Their roster is. 585 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 13: Definitely better as a whole, but that doesn't mean that 586 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 13: they're going to have a better season. To have a 587 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 13: better season, they basically have to get back to the 588 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 13: NFC Championship and get to the super Bowl. 589 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 6: That's the only way you top that. 590 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 13: Now you have expectations, you know, So I still think 591 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 13: they can win ten games, but that doesn't mean that 592 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 13: they're going to wind up making a deeper playoff run. 593 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 13: I still think that Philadelphia winds up winning that division. 594 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 13: They just are so strong top to bottom. But it's 595 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 13: going to be interesting for Washington how they continue to evolve. 596 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 13: What do they do to stay a step ahead of 597 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 13: the defenses Kingsbury and Jade Daniels. I think they have 598 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 13: the potential to have a really good season again, but again, 599 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 13: that's a tougher season, tougher schedule of games, tougher competition, 600 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 13: So it'll be hard to surpass last year. 601 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically that defense, like Jayden Daniels, just kept bailing 602 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: them out last year. I think they had five or 603 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: six wins in. 604 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 4: The final minute or what have you. 605 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm looking at that front seven and it's like that 606 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: is toothless, like they got old dudes and kind of 607 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: not to be disrespectful, just non factors. I mean, Marshawn 608 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: Lottimore hasn't been healthy in half a decade, So I 609 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: just don't know how they stop anybody. And they're in 610 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: a division where the Eagles offense is a juggernaut. Brian 611 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: Dable is a sharp guy, Milik neighbors are very good 612 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: and let's be real, Dallas has. 613 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 4: Dak Pickens and and Ceedee Lamb like that alone is 614 00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: going to give Washington problem. 615 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: So I don't is there a world where they slip 616 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: back to third in the division. 617 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 13: I do think that day in Dallas will be going 618 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 13: back and forth head to head for that number two 619 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 13: spot right there. 620 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 6: It's possible. 621 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 13: I agree with you on your concerns about the defense 622 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 13: they brought in von Miller, but I don't know that 623 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 13: he's really. 624 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 6: The answer as far as a pass rusher. 625 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 13: You know it's going to take a lot of creativity 626 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 13: from Dan Quinn. Once again. Bobby Wagner is a guy 627 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 13: who sets a good tone, but you know he's not 628 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 13: a spring chicken and that secondary. You know, there are 629 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 13: a lot of questions, and I don't know they've drafted 630 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 13: some young guys and we'll see how they developed. But 631 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 13: I don't know that they were really able to take 632 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 13: this defense to another level. But I guess they're hoping 633 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 13: with Terry mccluurin, Deebo, Samuel, Jayden Daniels, that maybe their 634 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 13: offense can put up more. 635 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 6: Points and so they won't have to rely on those 636 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 6: closet finishes. But that's a lot of ifs. 637 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me ask you, Mike, I missed this news 638 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 4: last week. All I was out. 639 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: The Colts decided Daniel Jones is our guy. You know, 640 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: k surprising, but Richardson did not have an inspiring preseason. 641 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 4: He's always hurt, still not accurate. 642 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: So let's give Daniel Jones props for getting out of Minnesota, 643 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: right he knew he wasn't gonna play with McCarthy. There 644 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: gets to a spot where he can play. But what 645 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: does this do for Richardson? Like this is kind of 646 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they drafted him to be the guy and 647 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: now it's like you can't even beat out Daniel Jones, who, 648 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: let's be real, is not a good quarterback. 649 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 4: Is Richardson's time up in Indy or what are you hearing? 650 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 6: Yeah? 651 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 13: No, I think that's very concerning because look, obviously he 652 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 13: was a guy that you knew, yes physically a specimen, 653 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 13: had some great college tape, doesn't have a whole lot 654 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 13: of college tape. 655 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 6: I don't think he's actually had, you know. 656 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 13: I think it was a stat that I heard last 657 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 13: week that he doesn't even have two thousand plays yet 658 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 13: under his belt between college and the NFL. 659 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 6: So it takes a while to develop. 660 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 13: And so you're hoping that you do the things, all 661 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 13: the things, carry yourself like a pro, and continue to develop. 662 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 6: But from the sounds of things, he was doing all 663 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 6: of those things. 664 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 13: That's the reason why last year you got pinched, because 665 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 13: they were hoping to get through to him and kind 666 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 13: of get his attention, and they went to Joe Flacco 667 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 13: for a little bit here and. 668 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 6: Again, the durability is an issue. 669 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 13: You know, the coaches say the best ability is availability, 670 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 13: and if you're not able to stay on the field 671 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 13: not carrying yourself like a pro, then you're going to 672 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 13: go to a guy. And so it's going to be 673 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 13: hard to go back to him unless he totally, you know, 674 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 13: kind of you know, gets in line and is doing 675 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 13: all the work and growing through practice, reps, but that's 676 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 13: not the same as game speed. 677 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 6: It's going to be tough. 678 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 13: Yes, they're going to Daniel Jones. They're going to have 679 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 13: to run the ball a whole lot. I think that's 680 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 13: the blueprint that the Giant showed a couple of years 681 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 13: ago when they made it to the playoffs. Squeaked in there. 682 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 13: They relied on Saquon Barkley a whole lot. They didn't 683 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 13: put a whole lot one to Daniel Jones's shoulders. I 684 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 13: think Andy will run, lean on the run game, lean 685 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 13: on their defense, and hope that Danielones can just take 686 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 13: care of the football because you know, you're not going 687 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 13: to get a whole lot of touchdown passes out of him, 688 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 13: because that was definitely not something that he was known 689 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 13: for in New York. 690 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to ask Mike listen, do you answer that. 691 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think back. We've seen a lot 692 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks who go top five, top ten. It 693 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: seems like more than normal in the last I don't know, five, six, 694 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: seven years, and they seem to flop in their first spot, 695 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: but they can thrive afterward. Baker Mayfield comes to mind, 696 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold comes to mind, Anthony Richardson, there's others. I'm 697 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: just wondering, do you think what do you think this 698 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: is about? Is it guys are getting overdrafted. Is it 699 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: we still don't know how to identify quarterbacks? 700 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 4: What's the issue? 701 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 6: Well, I think that there's this pressure. 702 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 13: Okay, we got this guy we need. You know, lots 703 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 13: of times they're drafted to bad franchises, right, the guys 704 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 13: like Patrick Mahomes, who the Chiefs jumped up to trade 705 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 13: and draft him and then he sat behind Alex. 706 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 6: Smith for a year and was able to develop a lot. 707 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 13: Of these are bad franchises, except for you know, San Francisco. 708 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 13: They had Trey Lance, but it wasn't a real developmental 709 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 13: plan for a lot of these guys, and they're playing 710 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 13: sooner than what they should. 711 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 6: They should. 712 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 13: Okay, if you're going to spend that high pick on 713 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 13: a guy, okay, but have a veter in place, let 714 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 13: him start. Let this guy learn, Especially some of these 715 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 13: guys like Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, who don't have a 716 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 13: whole lot of college experience. The guys who are three 717 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 13: and four year starters. It doesn't happen a whole lot anymore. 718 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 13: But those guys are better off coming into the NFL. 719 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 13: Like Jade Daniels had a lot of experience in college 720 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 13: and that's why he was able to make a better transition. 721 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 13: But so many of these young guys, they're playing sooner 722 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 13: than they need to, and then the patience is not 723 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 13: there because coaches don't have a whole lot of time 724 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 13: to save their jobs before owners getting patient and you know, 725 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 13: heads start to roll, and so it's just a whole 726 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 13: mess in the way that they're drafting, developing or not developing, 727 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 13: and playing guys sooner than they should. 728 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at the list. It's not just a 729 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 4: COVID thing either. 730 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: There were you know, Bryce Young by the way, this 731 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: could be his last shot, but there's been other guys 732 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: and I'm just you know, you see names like Josh Rosen, 733 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: Mitch Trubisky. No, given that even Caleb Williams is going 734 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: to work out in Chicago, I don't want to be 735 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: too negative. I know people of Jason. Come on, he's 736 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: got to be fine, is he, Mike? I can't say 737 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: for sure, can you No, we can't say for sure. 738 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 13: But the thing is you have to remember he was 739 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 13: in such an awful situation last year. Then you have 740 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 13: like three offensive coordinators throughout the course of the year. 741 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 6: And so if you're learning and then everything. 742 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 13: Keeps getting changed, and now you have a new coach, 743 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 13: you have going to learn a new language, a new 744 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 13: way of doing things. 745 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 6: I think that this is going to be a year 746 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 6: of growing pains for him. 747 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 13: But if he can get on the same page and 748 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 13: understand and take all the tutoring that the math the 749 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 13: math scientists that Ben Johnson is, then I think it's 750 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 13: possible that we could see him still be Okay, it's 751 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 13: way too. 752 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 6: Early to pull the plug or to panic, but you have. 753 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 13: To understand that again, he's having to relearn a lot 754 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 13: of things. 755 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 6: Last year we saw. 756 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 13: Him get sacked more than any other quarterback in the league. 757 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 13: Did upgrade their offensive line, but lots of times he 758 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 13: was trying to make something out of nothing. Think he 759 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 13: could do what he did in USC or he's running around, 760 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 13: you know, across the field and back the other way. 761 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 13: You know, you've got defensive linemen that are faster than 762 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 13: that and are going to plank you into the ground. Now, 763 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 13: so you got to learn to get rid of the 764 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 13: ball quickly and make good decisions. And that's what he's 765 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 13: going to have to understand if he wants to make 766 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 13: it in the NFL, and I think it's possible. 767 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 6: It's just gonna take some time. All right. 768 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: We could wrap up, you know, for fantasy purposes. Some 769 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: of us may have three or four drafts this week. 770 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, what are you hearing on the Rams quarterback? 771 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of people out here in the 772 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: dark thinking like, oh, it's gonna be bad. 773 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, Rams did not going to the super Bowl. 774 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 4: But there's also a whiff of. 775 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: Hey man, he's old, he doesn't want to play in 776 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: the preseason. He's gonna be fine. Which side do you 777 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: fall on here? 778 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 13: I think that you can be cautiously optimistic that, okay, 779 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 13: he knows the system inside and out. You know, they're 780 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 13: being extra cautious with him because they know that they 781 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 13: can't afford for him to get hurt in the preseason 782 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 13: and then be banged up throughout the whole year. But again, 783 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 13: if you were in that situation and it's that nerve wracking, 784 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 13: it just takes one hit in Week one to throw 785 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 13: things off the rails. And so we'll see what happens. 786 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 6: I thought, when. 787 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 13: We're entering the offseason the way that they finished last year, 788 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 13: I thought, Okay, the Rams are my pick to win 789 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 13: that division. They might make some noise. I'm not so 790 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 13: confident now. I'm a little bit skittish, just because of 791 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 13: what we've seen. We have heard as of late that 792 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 13: he is returned to practice, he's not having any discomfort 793 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 13: and things, so that's positive. But again he hasn't gotten 794 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 13: hit yet, and so a lot is riding on the 795 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 13: health of that back. 796 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: By the way, they open up against the Houston Texans, 797 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: who maybe have a top four defense in the league, 798 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: certainly front four, and they also have Philadelphia in Week three, 799 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: so you're probably onto something. Mike Stafford's going to get 800 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 2: tested early, all right, Mike Jones, the athletic great stuff man, 801 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot for your time, Mike 802 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 6: All right, thanks for having me.