1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Quody does, but Joseph's gotten more. There's an old adage 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: that says, throughout history, the victors write the story that 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: they essentially put forth the narrative from their perspective of 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: how things happened. And you know, it can be stated 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: that that comment, if you will, that adage applies primarily 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: to the rise and fall of civilizations and to wars. 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: But there was a smaller war, very smaller war that 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: took place back in the thirties in Middle America. And 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, even though the quote unquote good guys prevailed 10 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: in the end, history doesn't exactly reflect the truth today. 11 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: Looking back, we're going to discuss a period in time 12 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: ninety years ago. Today, we're going to talk about the 13 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: deaths of multiple police officers at the hands of two 14 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: of the most infamous cop killers in American history, Bonnie 15 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: and Clyde. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body 16 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: Packs Dave mac my friend. When I hear the name Bienville, 17 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: it evokes memories of my hometown of New Orleans. 18 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: And how far is it from New Orleans. 19 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Well, Bienville itself, there's multiple streets and are multiple locations 20 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: in New Orleans that have the name Beingville and it's 21 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: a uniquely French name. But the odd thing about it 22 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: is we're going to talk about Benville Parish, and Benville 23 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: Parish is nowhere near New Orleans. As a matter of fact, 24 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: it would probably take you, because there's not a really 25 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: good director out. It probably takes you about four hours 26 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: to get there from from New Orleans. It's the parish itself. 27 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: And remember, you know, in my home state, they don't 28 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: have counties that parishes, and Benville Parish actually is closer 29 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: to the Arkansas border than it is Gulf of Mexico, and. 30 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: That gives me a much better idea. 31 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: And it's not near the Mississippi River. As a matter 32 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: of fact, if you were to show up in Benville 33 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Parish day and ride through it, and all of North 34 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: Louisiana has this kind of reputation, it doesn't remind most 35 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: people of what you commonly think of when you think 36 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: about Louisiana, which is swamps and Cajun culture and Creole culture. 37 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: You feel like you're in Texas, like an annex of Texas. 38 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: In North Louisiana. Along the Eye twenty corridor running through there, 39 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: there's horse farms everywhere, and rolling hills. Now they're not 40 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: huge hills, but it's rolling hills. The soil is red clay. 41 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: It's not that dark, dark gumbos that they call it 42 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: gumbo soil that's down there, you know, that's associated with 43 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: the decay of vegetation and that sort of thing. Very swampy. 44 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: It's not like that. It looks like more like you're 45 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: heading to Texas, and you are, because this is not 46 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: too far from Shreeport. And you know that Shreeport on 47 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: the E twenty corridor is kind of the gateway out 48 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: of Louisiana into Texas. You continue on down that road 49 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: out of Report headed westbound and you'll be in Texas 50 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty soon. So but you know, Benville Parish is where 51 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker actually met their end in 52 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: a halo of gunfire. And I think that most people 53 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: understand that. And you know the infamous you know, desert 54 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: colored sedan that they were in that was bullet ridden. 55 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: But I got it. I know I've been prattling on, 56 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: but I got to tell you what initially got me 57 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: interested in this, other than the fact that it took 58 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: place in Louisiana. And and I actually have seen that car. 59 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: It used to when I was little, That car that 60 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde died in used to be placed up 61 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: on the back of a flatbed truck and they take 62 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: it all over the South to fairs and people could 63 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: see it. It's kind of a gruesome kind of thing. 64 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: But you know, that's compared to the world that we 65 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: inhabit now, it's kind of tame when you begin to 66 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: think about it. 67 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: You know, you can still see the car. 68 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, John can't. 69 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: Play at the Prim Valley Resort and casino. 70 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, isn't that something? And I was telling you 71 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: about my son Noah the other day up in I 72 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: guess Ripley's I think the crime usum or something up 73 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: in Pigeon Forge. You see Ted Bundy's car right there, 74 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: the Volkswagen and John Wayne Gacy's clown suits and all 75 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So it's rather macabre. But yeah, 76 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating bit of certainly crime history, 77 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of woven its way through through 78 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: our tails. I think, you know when you think about it. 79 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Well, when you mentioned the color of it, Joe, most 80 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: of us don't know because we've only seen black and 81 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: white photos unless you've seen it in person. I haven't. 82 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: I've only seen it in pictures, and some of the 83 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: pictures that we've seen or that have been shown are 84 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: pretty graphic in terms of the bullets in the car 85 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: and the shots that were on Bonnie and Clyde. I 86 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 2: know there have been some over the years, not leaked 87 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: to the press, but published by newspapers all over the 88 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: country because this was at the era in the early 89 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 2: thirties where the Great Depression had set in and banks 90 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: were in disfavor with most Americans at the time. The 91 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: banks were blamed for a lot of the undoing of 92 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: our financial structure in this country. And so at first, 93 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: when you had these people that Bonnie and Clyde, Dillinger, 94 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: pretty Boy Floyd, you know, you had a whole litten. 95 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: Baby face Nelson. 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Yes, they all had nick they had nicknames that just 97 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, there was they were celebrities in a way. 98 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: They were no, not no, you're absolutely right. And Capone 99 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Capone. I mean and I know 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: that that's a little bit different, but they're all kind 101 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: of swirling around that same toilet bowl. Yeah, yeah, you're 102 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: absolutely right. 103 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: And when this one on Capone was in Alcatraz by then, 104 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: by the thirties, wasn't he? 105 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I think it was. It was a little bit later 106 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: in the thirties or maybe the early forties. Oh wow, 107 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: wound up Percy wound up dying of syphilis. Why is that? 108 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: You and I go right there? Every time he died 109 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: of the things they warned us about in health class 110 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: in seventh or eighth grade. There you go, all right? Anyway, 111 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: Bonnie and Clyde, they were very young. Oh yeah, when 112 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: they started their life of crime. Bonnie had already been 113 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: married and actually was currently married when she met Clyde Barrow. 114 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: I think she was like nineteen, she was nineteen, yeah, yeah, 115 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: and she was already married and her husband was in jail, 116 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: and they hit it off. But Clyde ended up in 117 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: the clink very shortly after he met Bonnie. He ended 118 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: up in jail and she actually they met and just connected. 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: You You hear of stories of people talking about love 120 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: first sight and things like that. Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde 121 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: very close to that. Again, she was already married to 122 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: somebody else. He's in prison. Clyde had been in and 123 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: out of jail by the way, to give you an 124 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: idea of how old they were, Clyde was twenty five, 125 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: Bonnie was twenty three when they were killed. 126 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not talking about a huge amount of tom. 127 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: No, very short window here. And it was Bonnie Parker 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: that smuggled the gun into Clyde in prison for him 129 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: to break out of jail. Yeah, that's they just connected 130 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: so fast and boom. She didn't do that for her husband, 131 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: but she did it for Clyde. 132 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: Did it for Clyde and he was and he's a 133 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: little bidial guy. She was tiny as well. I think 134 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: that people build these folks up so that they're you 135 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: know that you think that they're giants walking the earth, 136 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: and they're really not. And when you think about how 137 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: much devastation they reaked that it was roughly a two 138 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: year period. 139 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: Like twenty month. There's a twenty one month span from 140 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: the beginning to the end of killing. And by the way, 141 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: they were not good thieves, you know, they were not 142 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: bank robbers that made a lot of money. They'd never 143 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 2: actually scored a lot of money. I think their average 144 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: take was like eighty bucks. But what they were was 145 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: they were soulless merciless killers who killed more police officers 146 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: than civilians. 147 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: Think about that. Yeah, they did, And I think that's 148 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: an extension. And I've heard this reported before. You know that. 149 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: You know Clyde. Apparently he wound up in prison as 150 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: a result. They hooked him up on a beef over 151 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: stolen chicken, and that's kind of his first entree into this. 152 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: No pun intended there. And then I think he failed 153 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: to return a rental car of all things. But here's 154 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: what happened when he got in side with the penitentiary 155 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: or the jail in Texas. He wound up getting raped 156 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: multiple times inside of that institution. And so, and like 157 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: I said, he was a really tiny guy and he 158 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: probably had a really hard time defending himself. There was 159 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: a prison guard that is counted on his scorecard as 160 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: a result of a death, you know, And so that 161 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: extension of police officers if you've crossed his path, Because 162 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: let's face it, heat this is kind of an interesting take. 163 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if people have really thought about this. 164 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about serial killers, and we have 165 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:55,479 Speaker 1: now for decades. Can you, Dave Mack, my friend, remember 166 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: any serial killer that targeted police officers? 167 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: Wow? 168 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: No, and he found a compatriot in Bonnie. 169 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 170 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: And they were out to kill cops. I mean, and 171 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: these these are young, young fellows that they're killing, and 172 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: many of them had families. 173 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: And you know, you mentioned young Joe. Very quickly the 174 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: tide turned on Bonnie and Clyde because of the killing 175 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: of a police officer on Easter Sunday who was on 176 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: his second day on the job. Up until then, they 177 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: were folk heroes, you know, they were robbing banks that had, 178 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, destroyed people's lives. Killing police officers. I don't 179 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: know what the I don't know what the average take 180 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: was on that in the nineteen thirties. I don't know, 181 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: but I do know this after there was, like before 182 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: the killing of the police officer on that Easter Sunday, 183 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: there was kind of a groundswell of support entertainment value 184 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: of watching the Shenanigans of Bonnie and Clyde in the barrow. 185 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: After that murder for no reason, killing these two police officers, 186 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: not in the shootout, not in a shootout. That was 187 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: when people, Okay, these are evil people. We got to 188 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: get them, you know, we have to take them out now. 189 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: And that's what led to the beginning. That was the 190 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: beginning of the end. Granted they were being hunted, but. 191 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were, and they became you know, they used 192 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: to love to use the term mad dog. Yeah, I 193 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: mad Dog Killer. And there was actually a guy who's 194 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: associated with the New York Underworld, Underworld. I think it 195 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: was mad Dog McCall was his name. And a matter 196 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: of fact, I think the movie The Cotton Club back 197 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: in the eighties, maybe eighty four, Nicholas Cage actually played 198 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: a character that's based on that guy and went by 199 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: that name, and so they used that term mad and 200 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: I think and it's an easy you know, when you're 201 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: a rural person and you've got a dog out in 202 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: the yard that's foaming at the mouth, that's baring its teeth, 203 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: and you know what's going on, it not just indicates danger, 204 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: but it also indicates a disease, a level of lethality 205 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: that you know that if you don't put them down. 206 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna stop, Dave. I got a question for you, brother. 207 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Have you have you ever done something that felt wrong 208 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: when you were doing it but it really wasn't wrong, 209 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: but yet you had this kind of feeling, you know, 210 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: like and if somebody saw me doing this or getting 211 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: caught with this, I'd be in trouble. Has that ever 212 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: happened to you. I'm not asking to reveal any deep 213 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: dark secrets here. 214 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: But boy, okay, I'll go along with that and say yes. 215 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: And that's all I'm going to get out of you. Yeah. 216 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: Oh look, man, this is I tell you, this is bogus. Man. 217 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: I was really hoping we were going to open the 218 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: vault here on Dave mac No. 219 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: I can't you know what, Joe, I look at now, 220 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: a statue of limitations. You know, you start thinking about 221 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: I always said if I ever ran for office, my 222 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: slogan would be yes, I did you know? Just because well, I. 223 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: Gotta tell you something real quick that I felt I 224 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: had that feeling about myself when and it has to 225 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: do with Bonnie and Claude. Yeah. I guess it was 226 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: probably nineteen eighty eight or eighty seven. I can't recall. 227 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Went to a State Corners convention in Louisiana, where I 228 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: was working at the time, and it's kind of that's 229 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, it's kind of an interesting event 230 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: to go to, particularly if you were not in that world, 231 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: if you were an observer and you could come in 232 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: because you can imagine all the stories that are being 233 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: told in this environment. I think that it might make 234 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: some people at crime con blush more than likely because 235 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: they you know you and particularly during that time period, 236 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: all those years, all those years ago, there were you know, 237 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: so many things that were going on relative to serial 238 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: killings and just horrible crimes that a lot of people 239 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: had never heard of because you didn't have the vast 240 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: media coverage. But back to my big reveal here. When 241 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: I was there, I was with my mentor. It was 242 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: my first first time I'd ever been, and it was 243 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: a mentor that had trained me as a death investigator arguably, 244 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably the best forensic scientist and practitioner 245 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I've ever been around in my life. It was Bill. 246 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: Bill introduced me to a group of people that were 247 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Corners from North Louisiana. Now remember we're down in New 248 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: Orleans and we're chatting and I met the corner from 249 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: being vill Perish and he tells Bill, I've got something 250 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: for you, but don't tell anybody. You know. Bill says, 251 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's like talking to me, and he's like, 252 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's got, but he says, I 253 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: can't tell anybody, but I'm telling you. And the next 254 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: thing I knew, Bill's like waving me over to the side, right, 255 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: and this is we went. We were tired somewhere for drinks, 256 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: all right, and we're kind of hold up in a lounge. 257 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: He says, You're not going to believe what I've got. 258 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, hit me, I said, does this 259 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: have something to do with the guy from Benvilpairs. He's like, yeah, 260 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe what I got. I was like, okay, 261 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: what have you got? He says, I've got a copy 262 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: of the Corners records from Bonnie and Clyde's examination post mortem. 263 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: I was like, what, because you know, back during that time, Dave, 264 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: as you well know, you've been in the you've been 265 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: in media for quite quite a while. You remember, back 266 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: you didn't have access to this kind of stuff. Now 267 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: you can just go online like you can. And if 268 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: you go online now you can actually see the Corner's 269 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: jury report that's written out in longhand it looks like 270 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: it's written in pencil. It's the same one that I 271 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: was given all those years now and now it's everywhere, 272 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it's been transcribed, because I remember sitting 273 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: down day when I got this thing because day day, 274 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Bill made a copy of it for me 275 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: when we got back, and it's on legal, legal sized paper, 276 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: so you had to load legal paper into the copier. 277 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: He made me copies of this thing, and I actually 278 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: had to take a magnifying glass out and try to 279 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: make out because this is all written in longhand none 280 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: of this stuff was typed up, And all of a sudden, 281 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: the world kind of burst open for me because for 282 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: the first time I'd seen images, you know, in publications 283 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: and all these sorts of things. I'd heard the tales 284 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: as a kid, I'd seen the car. But when you 285 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: have that document in front of you that recorded this 286 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: event and these people that were there and they're actually 287 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: relaying what they saw in regards to bonding Clyde, it 288 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: was It was quite amazing, It really was, because you 289 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: had a clothing description, you know. The only only point 290 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: of reference I had I don't know about you was 291 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Faye Dunaway and Warren Baby, you know, in that movie 292 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: from back in the sixties, which is horrible because I 293 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: think that it, you know, it further propagated this idea 294 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: that these people were were heroes and isn't that isn't 295 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: that horrible? You know, kind of how they painted this 296 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: relative to these people. And we've had this this evolution 297 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: over a period of time, and I hope that it continues. 298 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: But you know, in addition to for folks that have 299 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: never been to that area up there, it's it's beenvil 300 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: perish and it's it's obviously not populated by the most 301 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: wealthy people in the world. They're salt of the earth 302 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: people that grind a life out. They make their they 303 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: make their living, you know, in aggra based stuff or 304 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: their pulp witters. And here's something fascinating that that I 305 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: discovered because I went out to the site the location 306 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: of where the ambush took place, because you know, Kim 307 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: and I we were on the road and we were like, hey, 308 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: here's Gibbsland, because that's the address that it carries. But 309 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: it's actually about eight miles outside of Gibbsland, and so 310 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: it's a two lane state highway and it's got new 311 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: growth pine forest on both sides of the road that 312 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: has obviously been harvested for pulpwood over the years. And 313 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: there is this stone monument that sits in this kind 314 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: of dusty red clay area just off the shoulder of 315 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: the road, and over the years it's been chipped away. 316 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: There's chunks of it that are missing because people show 317 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: up with a hammer or chisel and they'll take a 318 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: piece of it. And there's weird poetry that's been scribbled 319 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: or left in bottles that kind of occupies this space 320 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: around there. And then when you look across the road 321 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: from where this thing is, and this was kind of interesting, 322 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: there are these tiny, these tiny little wellheads that are 323 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: capped off that the field is just populated with and 324 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: those are natural gas wellheads, right, and you know, and 325 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: I find that there's a bit of irony I think 326 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: in that regarding their deaths. You know, they sought, they 327 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: sought this fantastic you know idea that yeah, we're gonna 328 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: murder cops, we're gonna try to pick up some money 329 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: along the way, and here they are, you know, they're 330 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: just absolutely riddled there in that spot, allegedly. And then 331 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: across the way is a field that is representative of 332 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: all the money in the world that you could ever 333 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: want if you had access to it. And so you know, 334 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Serve God or Mammon, I guess, but 335 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, you look there and you see that and 336 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of a fascinating bit, but it's isolated, Dave. 337 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: This location is so far out there. And you know 338 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: when when Hamer, who is the retired UH Texas ranger. 339 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: Frank Hammer, and many Gault that were out there. 340 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, in many gal and they they went out there 341 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: with a posse and it was it was a posse 342 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: and they they they sat and waited in that brush line, 343 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: and you know, there's been reports. I don't know, Dave, 344 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: if you've ever gotten gotten covered in red bugs at 345 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: any point in time in your life, these guys had 346 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: red bugs on them. It's May, it's North Louisiana, it's hot, 347 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: it's humid, you're dehydrated, and you don't know when these 348 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: people are going to show up. Because they were going 349 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: actually to the home of the parent of one of 350 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: their compatriots. 351 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: It was actually Henry Methven. It was just Body and 352 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: Clyde at this point, and the Frank Hamer and many 353 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: Gaal knew that they were probably going to be paying 354 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: a visit to Henry Metfin or his family just didn't 355 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: need a place to sleep because Bonnie had been hurt 356 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: in a car accident in June of nineteen thirty three. 357 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: Her face was burned, her arms were burned, her chest 358 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: was caved in. According to Blanche, she had injuries from 359 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: this accident that she never recovered from, and they had 360 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: to take time for her to get off the road 361 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: for a little while. And that's where they thought they'd 362 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: be heading to Henry Methven's dad. And that's why Frank 363 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: hammer Hamer and many gal actually camped out and waited. 364 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: And it was not hours, it was days. 365 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: It was days. 366 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the bugs, And that's the one thing 367 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: that was written about these guys, Hammer Galt and a 368 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: couple other guys. They're waiting, They're waiting in the bushes. 369 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: They're waiting for Bonnie and Clyde to come driving by. 370 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: So let me ask something. Do you know why they're 371 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: were waiting? Do you know why they were willing to 372 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: endure that heat and that humidity and red bugs and 373 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: skeeters and all manner of everything else that was up 374 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: in the brush there along along with them, maybe copper 375 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: heads and rattlesnakes and everything else that's in that area 376 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: you're talking about spring, they had had it up to hear. 377 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: I think what it comes down to is that Frank 378 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: Hamer and his posse wanted to be on one level 379 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: that reassurance that they were wearing white hats and that 380 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: they were going to do whatever they possibly could to 381 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: bring a resolution to this horror and quiet the public. 382 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing for some newspaper and some far 383 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: flung place away from being Ville Parish, Louisiana, up in 384 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: New York or Chicago at the time, or maybe even 385 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: la to write a piece about how romantic this all is. 386 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: But when you're down on the ground and you're a 387 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: cop store owner or maybe working in a bank, you 388 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: live your life in terror. Hey, Dave, you remember a 389 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when we did an episode of 390 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: body Bags on the Corner System. Yeah, do you recall that. 391 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: I remember studying after the fact. That was the most 392 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: enlighten I learned so much on that episode, and a 393 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: number of people have actually sent in emails about how 394 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: much well learned. It was like be any class. But 395 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: I just remember when you and I I went, Okay, 396 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: I got to figure this out. It's it's a it's a. 397 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: It's a weird world that you enter into when you 398 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: walk to the door with Joseph Scott Morgan. I'm sorry 399 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: for I'm sorry for any trauma. 400 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: It was awesome. I had no idea, Joe. I mean, 401 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: it was one of those things where I had no 402 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, one of the things you don't know what 403 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: you don't know. I had no idea what. 404 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know. Well, the corner system in Louisiana is interesting. 405 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: It's interesting everywhere, but you know, unlike other states, in 406 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: Louisiana there are a couple others, but specifically I'm speaking 407 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: to Louisiana. In order to run for the office of 408 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: corner there, you have to be a physician, and that 409 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: has always been the case. It's not that's not something 410 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: new under the sun. And you know, when there was 411 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: a uh an exam that had to be conducted on 412 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: the remain means of Bonnie and Clyde, it was it 413 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: fell to the corner of beingvill parish at that particular 414 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: time to you know, to facilitate that had to make 415 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: it happen, and it was, you know, it was it 416 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: was done. Doctor Wade was actually the corner there. And 417 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, go, hey, let's the old country doctor. 418 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: When you have like a case that is this big, 419 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: that has national, you know, international coverage of this these people, 420 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: is there not a way to bring in somebody at 421 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: the fact, you know, bigger, more educated. I mean, I 422 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: know that the law requires that it is handled like 423 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: right here, but kind of like when JFK was killed 424 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: thirty years later, they took his body out of Dallas 425 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: and got it to Washington, d C. Granted he was 426 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 2: the president, but these people are famous criminals. They've broken 427 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: the law in several states. Was there any thought that 428 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: we need to bring somebody else in to do the autopsy? 429 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: Or was he just done and get them out? 430 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? Hang on for a minute, because I got to 431 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: tell you, relative to JFK, they did not take take him, 432 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: certainly to the finest that was available. They went to 433 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. As far as I'm concerned with. 434 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: With Bonnie and Clyde, however it was, it was the 435 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: office of Corner and being Vialparish, you know, reflecting back, 436 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: I told you about the about the you know, the 437 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: report that that i'd been given, you know, all all 438 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: these many years ago that I wanted to talk about, 439 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: and this sort of thing. And the thing is is handwritten, which. 440 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: By the way, I could not understand when you told 441 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: me you got a magnifying glass. I looked at it. 442 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: I looked at this bayer going over and I'm like, 443 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: how did you read that? 444 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's something to see 445 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: and look. Anybody can see it. I recommend you. 446 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: Know. 447 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: All you got to do is is you know, uh 448 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: is google search? Yeah, Google search office. You know, the 449 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: the Corners Report of the bodies of Bonnie and Clyde Parker, 450 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: and you'll find it. It's there and it's really it's 451 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: very difficult to kind of decipher. But you know, looking 452 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: back in time and when I saw this thing, I 453 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: thought that they did a pretty good job. But you 454 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: know what's really interesting about body in Clyde's case, Davis, 455 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: they didn't actually do an autopsy. I don't know if 456 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: you know that. No, they did not actually do an autopsy. 457 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: You had what was impaneled back then. It's called a 458 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: corner's jury, and it was a collection of men. Corner's 459 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: juries are a thing and it's almost like, I don't 460 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: know how to describe it other than kind of like 461 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: a grand jury. Where you're trying to where a grand jury, 462 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: you're trying to decide if there is enough information to 463 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: indict somebody, if you're going to true bill or no 464 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: true bill. A case, right, a criminal case with a 465 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: corner's jury. Their purpose was to be there for the 466 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: corner to present evidence to them that how they were 467 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: going to rule the death. Okay, what are they going 468 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: to call this? Are they going to call this homicide? Suicide? 469 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: You know, what are they going to call this? And obviously, 470 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, we sit here and we think about, uh, 471 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: well it was pretty obvious, you know how Bonnie god 472 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: died there. Yes, it is. This is a homicide. Yeah, absolutely, 473 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing that wasn't accidental. It's not suicide. 474 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: Uh you know, yeah yeah. And it's just like just 475 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: like a you know, uh, an execution in a state 476 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: penitentiary is a homicide. Okay, you can't call it anything else, period. 477 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: And so they impaneled a jury, a corners jury, and 478 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: it's not that they had trouble determinant. But it goes 479 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: back to an interesting statement you made just a moment ago. 480 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: This is going to be the official record going forward, 481 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever and ever amen. And the 482 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: fascinating thing is that when they're looking at this, you've 483 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: got all of these men that are impaneled on this 484 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: jury with a corner being the leader of it, and 485 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: they're there to verify because who else is going to verify? 486 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Remember the world that they're living in. They're living in 487 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: a world, Dave that news. I mean, it doesn't move 488 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: move at the speed that say the Pony Express moved at. 489 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: But you know, you're still working with telegraphs, they're using telephone. 490 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: I think there may have been a rudimentary facts by 491 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: that by that point in time, I think they called 492 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: it something else. But you still it moves slowly. You 493 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: had to have somebody there that would that would verify 494 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: that these people were in fact dead, and it's better 495 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: than just having one person to verify the death. Now 496 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: you've got a whole group of people. And not only 497 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: do you have a group, all these guys are signing 498 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: off on this, and you can see the list of 499 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: their signatures. You know when you look down, when you 500 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: look down the page on this thing, they're all there 501 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: and their names are affixed to this documents. As odd 502 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: as it is, there were looking at it physically, looking 503 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: at it right now. There's five people that have signed 504 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: onto this, in addition to doctor Wade who was there. 505 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: And you know, they go into, you know, great detail 506 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: about describing the bodies and the injuries. You know, Bonnie 507 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: Bonnie actually received the worst of it. Not that what 508 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: Clyde had received wasn't wasn't bad, But there's a story 509 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: that goes on out there relative to Bonnie's body. And 510 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: just imagine this. She was hit so many times and 511 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: I'll go into kind of the nastiness of these wounds 512 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: in just a second, but just kind of let me 513 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: set this up. She was shot so many times that 514 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: they actually had a very difficult time embalming her body. 515 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: So just imagine we have to think about the way 516 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: the embalming process works. It's a profusion of embalming fluid, 517 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the major vessels of the body. The 518 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: bodies on a table, it's kind of tilted from the 519 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: head down. They've got these tro cars that they go 520 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: into the body with and they start their little pump. 521 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: In days gone past, the mortician would use a foot pump, 522 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, to infuse the body with the embalming fluid. Well, 523 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: can you imagine that and they still have to do 524 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: this today with multiple gunshot one cases, but they had 525 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: she was springing leaks and let that set in just 526 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: for a second. So you've got the vessels that carry 527 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the bloody obviously are now being perfused with embalming fluid, 528 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: and the way the thing works is through gravity. You're 529 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: as as the body is being profused with the embalming fluid. 530 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: Traditionally you can see the line coming out of the 531 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: body and the blood is being pushed out of the body. 532 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: It's being replaced by embalming fluid. Well, it wasn't getting 533 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: to that point. The holes were there and the body 534 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: had to be plugged in order to take on the 535 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: embalming fluid. 536 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 2: Joe I was looking at the list of these injuries 537 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: and it was listed out on Bonnie. Okay, on Bonnie. 538 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: I actually had to look at this several times because 539 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: you mentioned probably written in pencil. Yeah, the penmanship is weak. 540 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: But shot in the left breast going into chest. This 541 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: was a description of a bullet wound shot four inches 542 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: below the ear, another shot entering above the right knee, 543 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: two shots front leg, two shots right leg, gunshot wound 544 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 2: around edge of hair, one and a half inches above 545 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: the left ear. Another threw the mouth on the left side, 546 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: exiting at top of jaw, another at middle just below 547 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 2: left jaw, another above clavical left side, going into the neck. 548 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: Another entering chest two inches below the inner side of 549 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: the left shoulder. Two shots about two inches below the 550 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: left shoulder, fracturing the bone. Another wound on the elbow 551 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: of the left arm. Another entering left chest above the heart, 552 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 2: breaking ribs. Six shots entering three inches on back region 553 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: left side. Five pellet wounds about the middle of the 554 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: left side. Cuts from glass on the ankle, cut on 555 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 2: top of left foot, apparently from glass cut on center 556 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: of right thigh, cut six inches in length, about three 557 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 2: and a half inches center of right leg. Eight metal 558 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 2: fragments centering across the front of face. 559 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: There you go, wow, So it's yeah, it's. 560 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 2: Now, I see, I get that. By the way, that's 561 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 2: not the complete list. 562 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: No, No, it goes on and you Clydes is almost 563 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: as robust. But you know, they wanted obviously, the purpose 564 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: here was to make sure that they were I used 565 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: the term neutralized just a moment ago, and that's a 566 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: very clinical term. But they wanted. They were mad dogs 567 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: and they knew the importance of putting them down. First off, 568 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: I think probably and this is me projecting, because I 569 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't presume to get inside their mind, 570 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: but you know, I think that any right there's right 571 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: thinking person would probably conclude that not only did they 572 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: to neutralize this threat, but they needed to send a message. 573 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: They need to send a message to those individuals that 574 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: thought that they could go out and randomly do whatever 575 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: they wanted to do, which includes murdering police officers. And 576 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: of course they brought this to an end. And right quick, 577 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks