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Speaker 1: so called experts are saying about the Cardinals moves thus far.

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Speaker 1: But first, why it's good. J. J. Watt quote unquote

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Speaker 1: called out Hyler Murray. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four

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Speaker 1: oh nine, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com,

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight

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Speaker 1: of Fritz pot Head. He's into the ensode for the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So before we get

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Speaker 1: into the news, and there's a lot to get into, MJ,

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Speaker 1: over the weekend on social media. I know you saw this,

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Speaker 1: here's what happened. Watch shared a picture of the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: So Kyler Murray is basically curling to MJ's But the

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Speaker 1: point is it was, what you know, a little little

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Speaker 1: year or two. I know people focus on Day one

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Speaker 1: and certainly Day two of the draft as opposed to

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Speaker 1: that final Saturday, but six is a lot more than

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Speaker 1: five breaking news here on Cardinals cover two. We'll just

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Speaker 1: see if that number increases here Between now and the

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Speaker 1: end of April, we'll have plenty of time to get

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Speaker 1: into some of the particulars. But again, if you get

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Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks off the board, we get a

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Speaker 1: couple of alignment off the board. I mean, Cardinals is

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Speaker 1: gonna be sitting in a good position at sixteen, but

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Speaker 1: I still think you can get the same player from

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Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty five. Now people are gonna say, well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get the third or fourth corner. We don't

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Speaker 1: know where they're ranked on their board. Just like you know,

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Speaker 1: last year San Francisco forty nine ers had Brandon Iu

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Speaker 1: because the number one wide receiver. We were all talking

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Speaker 1: about Jerry Judy and Henry Rugs and then you throw

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Speaker 1: in CD Lamb, so we don't know, but I think

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Speaker 1: trade down could be a viable option to try to

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Speaker 1: pick up an extra third round pick. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how far you can go down and then, Craig, when

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Speaker 1: you start getting down to the twenty four, twenty five,

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Speaker 1: twenty six, there's a couple of running backs out there,

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Speaker 1: and I know that they've said that Chase Evans is

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Speaker 1: their bell cow. And I'm against draft and a running

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Speaker 1: back early in the draft, Okay, I just think there's

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Speaker 1: more talented players and we know that they're d value

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Speaker 1: and backs and wide receivers you can get in the

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Speaker 1: second or third round. But Nigie Harris and Trevis etmu

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Speaker 1: those are good value picks there. But again, where's the

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Speaker 1: corner round them? But roster do you have to get

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Speaker 1: another receiver? Because AJ Green's on a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: We don't know the future of Andy Isabella. So but

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Speaker 1: I think sixteen would be a viable option to trade

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Speaker 1: down and try to get an extra third round pick.

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Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on that wall

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Speaker 1: inside the draft room any year. I mean, if they

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Speaker 1: allowed it, great, I would love to just the inner

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Speaker 1: workings and in the discussions. But imagine your gentle manager

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Speaker 1: Steve come and you got all the scouts in there,

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Speaker 1: and you're sitting there. You just drafted in round to

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Speaker 1: the forty ninth overall pick MJ. You're sitting now until

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Speaker 1: pick number one sixty. I mean, now, I don't want

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Speaker 1: anyone to sit here and say, well, you got to

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Speaker 1: get another pick in the third round or the fourth

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Speaker 1: round and panic. But that's a long time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna happen. But what do you do.

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Speaker 1: You go out and get a bite to eat, I mean,

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Speaker 1: run some errands. You go from pick forty nine to

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Speaker 1: one sixty. You know that's and that's over day two

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Speaker 1: to day three. But that's a lot of time for

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Speaker 1: general managers sit and think and maybe overthink potentially trying

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Speaker 1: to get another pick in round three or four. The

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Speaker 1: thing is, though, depending on you know, because that is

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Speaker 1: a long time. I mean you're talking about over one

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Speaker 1: hundred and eleven players that are going to go off

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Speaker 1: the board, give or take a few names. Besides trades.

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Speaker 1: That's maybe when you offer a future pick for next year,

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Speaker 1: and if this team feels like they're going to be

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Speaker 1: a playoff team, so maybe they're picking somewhere between twenty

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Speaker 1: one and twenty five, meaning if you make the postseason,

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Speaker 1: you're not picking the top twenty. So maybe they'll offer

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Speaker 1: a future pick, but it's got to be worth it.

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Speaker 1: But the teams do value third and fourth round picks.

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Speaker 1: Those are guys you got to hit on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we all talk about first and second if you can pay.

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Speaker 1: If you can hit out of a guy a third,

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Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round and he gets a second contract,

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Speaker 1: well you're doing your job there. But again, it's a crapshoot.

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Speaker 1: It's fifty fifty. There's no guarantees. I don't care first round,

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Speaker 1: second round, and we always talk about it what's between

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Speaker 1: the years and what's in the chest and teams have

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Speaker 1: to find that. Uh, how much do you love football?

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Speaker 1: It's just a job. Are you motivated by the shield

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Speaker 1: or do you want to be great not just good?

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Speaker 1: And say I made the NFL. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of factors that go into that. And again, if it

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Speaker 1: was as easy, if people make it sound, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: you'd see a lot more players panning out. Some players

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Speaker 1: they're not coachable. Some players feel like I just can

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Speaker 1: step on the field and I can do this, so

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't envy those those gms because they're

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Speaker 1: You're evaluated on what you do with your roster, and

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Speaker 1: there's three ways to build a roster. And we know

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Speaker 1: Steve's done a good job at trades, signing free agents,

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Speaker 1: and clearly they want to do a better job drafting.

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Speaker 1: It is so easy to draft after the fact, and

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Speaker 1: of course the most criticized parts of general managers resume

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Speaker 1: is the draft and what have you done? And it's

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Speaker 1: where Steve has gotten a lot of heat because a

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Speaker 1: number of those picks have not panned out. Now, you

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Speaker 1: want to talk trades, You want to talk Waiver claims

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Speaker 1: more success in those areas. Yet we're not talking about

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Speaker 1: any of this if the team is winning. It's funny

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Speaker 1: how things work and sing surface to the surface level.

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Speaker 1: When things are going bad, then that's when you start

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Speaker 1: looking at like why is it going bad? But when

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Speaker 1: things are going well, then you kind of forget about

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Speaker 1: certain things of that nature. Bird Gang. If you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, it's in the archives. It

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Speaker 1: is a must listen, a lot of historical significance as

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Speaker 1: far as going back into the archives listening to clips.

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban was a guest on the show, but something

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Speaker 1: that I thoroughly enjoy every single Thursday. Typically it's in season,

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Speaker 1: but now with the last couple of years, it's now

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Speaker 1: year round, much like The Cardinals Red Sea Report. But

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Speaker 1: the one moment that stood out to me listening to

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Speaker 1: that show MJA last week. Bertram Berry, our colleague the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Red Sea Report, used that platform as a player

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Speaker 1: host and he was a great host of that show,

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Speaker 1: but used that platform to announce his retirements from the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. So tip of the cap to Bertram Berry,

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Speaker 1: because you know some guys will just you know, announce it,

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Speaker 1: you know on social media or other channels or just

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Speaker 1: a quick press release. But Bertrand Berry thought enough of

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Speaker 1: that show and enough of his co hosts and Ohmo

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Speaker 1: to do it in that fashion when he announced his retirement.

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Speaker 1: We've both been fortunate enough to work with bertrand Berry

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Speaker 1: when we were at ninety eight seven FM and then

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Speaker 1: obviously doing The Red Seat Reporter the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And you get to meet the guy, you know, away

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Speaker 1: from the mic, you won't meet a better human being.

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Speaker 1: He cares about you. He asked about your family and

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know he has a lot of

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Speaker 1: respect for Paul Kelvci and Ron Wolfley and Jimmy Omohandro.

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Speaker 1: That was the right thing to do. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: to do that, but that just goes to show you

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Speaker 1: and let's you know, he's got an opportunity to have

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Speaker 1: his second career in the media. You know, I love

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Speaker 1: I love doing the show with him. You know, they

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Speaker 1: let us go at that time. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's what he's doing on his personal

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Speaker 1: life now, working out young high school players, trying to

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Speaker 1: get them ready for college and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 1: you won't meet a better human being that actually when

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Speaker 1: he asked you how you're doing, he really cares. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those not a passing conversation. Now he

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Speaker 1: really wants to know how you're doing, by the way,

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Speaker 1: as we talk here on this Monday Cardinals cover Too,

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Speaker 1: presented by Honday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, MJ. Grades,

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Speaker 1: How you know, how are your grades in school? You're

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Speaker 1: you're you're straight a student a rule probably a see guy,

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Speaker 1: see guy? All right, Well, the Cardinals are much better students,

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Speaker 1: if you will, than Mike direc grading the off season. It's,

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Speaker 1: I guess, a necessary evil. Everyone does it. You do

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Speaker 1: it during certain points of the off season, after for

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Speaker 1: or suits, me during free agency, after free agency, after

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Speaker 1: the draft, and then a course, right before the regular

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Speaker 1: we're seeing more and more of these so called experts,

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Speaker 1: if you will, the pundits who follow the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: releasing their grades and full disclosure. If they didn't like

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Speaker 1: with what the Cardinals were doing, we probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: talking about it. But it does give a greater sense

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Speaker 1: of what the outside is thinking about what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are doing here because, sometimes, let's face facts, MJ, sometimes

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Speaker 1: we get caught in our own little bubble and just

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Speaker 1: see what we want to see her, because we're around

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Speaker 1: it for so often and so long that sometimes it

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Speaker 1: clouds your judgment. Yet you do hear that a number

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Speaker 1: of people believe that the Cardinals have done very well

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Speaker 1: in terms of free agency, whether that's guys that they've retained, signed,

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Speaker 1: or in the case of Rodney Hudson, acquired. And of

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Speaker 1: course it all began with JJ Watt, which again seems

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Speaker 1: like forever ago. But the most recent grade Jeff Kerr

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Speaker 1: a B plus quote. The Cardinals are on the door

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Speaker 1: of making a postseason return end quote, and that MJ

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Speaker 1: is what we all hope happens this coming season. The

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Speaker 1: and Hudson's not in that equation where you know, we

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Speaker 1: know how many games that AJ Green and JJ Watta

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Speaker 1: missed it if these guys can give us sixteen games,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Cardell has done a really

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Speaker 1: good job. I mean, they went out and got culture

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Speaker 1: and leadership. We look at JJ Watt as a guy

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Speaker 1: that obviously is going to make the defense better, but

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Speaker 1: he's also going to make his teammates better. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: bring leadership to the locker room, you know. You know

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Speaker 1: And you know, they even though they may only have

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Speaker 1: five or six draft picks at the end, and I

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Speaker 1: outgraded at center. They both created a second wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: They've voltgrade on the d line. They retained, they got

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Speaker 1: Mark because Gold him back. You know, they got some

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Speaker 1: So I like the fact that it wasn't just all

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Speaker 1: but I think they've upgraded at the positions that we

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Speaker 1: considered needs or holes. Going into the offseason. Bleacher Report

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Speaker 1: also gave the Cardinals a B plus grade, riding Arizona

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Speaker 1: has set itself up to compete and shouldn't be underestimated.

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Speaker 1: They also acknowledge that there is still work to be done,

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Speaker 1: and I think we've acknowledged that as well here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover too. But everything points to the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: to throw in Marcus Golden as well, or the offensive line. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson a huge addition. But people are pointed also

644
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Speaker 1: to Kelvin Beacham getting him back in the fold, because

645
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Speaker 1: I think, based off what we've heard from Beacham, he

646
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: was not going to play anywhere else but the Aros

647
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: on a Cardinal, So it was a question of whether

648
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to play keep playing. He answered yes, And

649
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I think that might be one of those underrated moves

650
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: that solidifies not only the right tackle spot, but certainly

651
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: some leadership and veteran experience along those five guys that

652
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: are in charge of protecting Kyler Murray. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

653
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: we'll see what the competition as at right guard between

654
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, Justin Murray, who has experience against Brian Winters,

655
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: but for the most part, I mean they got a

656
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of experience. Sarah DJ Humphries, he hasn't reached his peak.

657
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: He's definitely matured over the years. Justin Pugh coming off

658
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: of good Year, he's in his thirties. We know Hudson

659
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: has been the fixture with the Raiders. We'll see what

660
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: happens at right guard. Him and Kelvin Beach him he's

661
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: just like a voice a reason. I mean, he's kind

662
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: of like, kind of like when he talks, I listened,

663
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: just like Corey Peters and some other guys that again

664
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Speaker 1: maybe not the household names, but when when you see

665
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: what they're saying, you could see that it can wear

666
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: off on the other guys. So, and we had that

667
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: conversation at that first wave of free agency. You said,

668
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: who would you like to see them, you know, resign

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Speaker 1: besides Golden and that happened before obviously that you can

670
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: resign your own players and announce it. But I was

671
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: thinking Arnold from you know, wide receiver tight ends situation.

672
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Then Calvin Beecham, and I think the Beacham signed. But

673
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you know, depending on who

674
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Speaker 1: starts at right guard. They have guys that have experience,

675
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: and these guys are mature, and you've got some guys

676
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: that are you know, um, you know, can lend a

677
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: hand to some of these young guys that don't get

678
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: a chance to start. Yeah, and all these guys, I mean,

679
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: we'll have great mentorship and experience to pass on to

680
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Speaker 1: Kyle the Murray who is still learning. And you've got

681
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: in the in the signing or I should say the

682
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Speaker 1: acquisition of Rodney Hudson. You know that center spot. You know,

683
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: we all focus on tackles and protecting the edges, but

684
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: that center spot is the quarterback of offensive line, the captain,

685
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: if you will, line calls, reading defenses, and that's a

686
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: huge parts before the ball is even snapped to figure

687
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: out what you're going to do. Do you need to

688
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: check out of what the call is or if we

689
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: do have the right play, then let's run it successfully.

690
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: So that Rodney Hudson move continues to be brought up,

691
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: and NFL dot Com gave that trade an A for

692
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Now they didn't like it for the Raiders.

693
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: They gave it a D. But that is a move

694
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: that certainly has left a lot of people scratching their

695
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: heads from the Raiders perspective, but from the Cardinal's perspective.

696
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com writes chalk it up as a strong

697
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: addition for Cliff Kingsbury's offense, swapping out struggle bus blocker

698
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Mason Cole. For Pro Football focuses number eight center in

699
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and then they go on to mention that

700
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: they allowed just three sacks since twenty fifteen. So that

701
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: interior push that defenses like to see. Maybe now you

702
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: do have that pockets that upside down if you will,

703
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray can move up in the pocket as

704
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: opposed to drifting or go backwards. And again, you know,

705
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Speaker 1: Mason Cole, like I said, I guess at this point

706
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Speaker 1: we'll see if he gets a chance to compete for

707
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Speaker 1: a starting job. Clearly the Vikings want to improve their

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: offensive line. But you know, just based on what happened

709
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: last year, I would consider my backup on the Cardinals roster.

710
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: So you definitely have upgrade there. And it wasn't lack

711
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: of effort, It's just it's just, you know, playing in

712
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Speaker 1: the NFC West, you're going against some of the formidable

713
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Speaker 1: fronts in football. I mean the Niners have invested a

714
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: ton of high draft picks on there, and I've had

715
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: some injuries. We know, Seattle's brought in guys Dunlop, Read Clowney,

716
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: you know. And then the Rams, we know that they

717
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: just get Brockers and I always you know, not there

718
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: any longer, but Aaron Donald, they find, you know, rotation guys.

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00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: They've had good players on the line. So I'm think

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00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: you can say this for every division, but especially in

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00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: the NFC Westman, you got to protect the quarterback. You've

722
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: got to be able to run the football. You got

723
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: to be able to run the ball, to play up

724
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: to play action. I know it's probably in every division,

725
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: but it's just here. Who would you say, as of

726
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: today has had the better off season in the NFC West,

727
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: the best West? You know, the Rams have certainly lost

728
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: a lot. I do like the Matthew Stafford move as

729
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: far as an upgrade at quarterback, but the number of

730
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: players that they've lost, the number of coaches that they've lost,

731
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Speaker 1: you can't discount that. The Seahawks they've resigned a lot.

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Speaker 1: They really haven't gone out outside of the Gabe Jackson acquisition.

733
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Speaker 1: You know, is Russell Wilson happy with what they've done

734
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: with their offensive line, compared to Kyle Murray, who I

735
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: think has got to be thrilled with what the Cardinals

736
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Speaker 1: have done with their own offensive line, And then the

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00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, I think there's still a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a question mark consider ding what they did last

739
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Friday and shaking up the entire twenty twenty one draft.

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Speaker 1: With now having that number three overall pick, they are

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00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: certainly one of those teams though, that you have to

742
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: keep paying attention to because they were banged up considerably

743
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: last year and they're only gonna get healthy. So as

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00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: far as totality, and again maybe I'm looking through it

745
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: through Cardinal colored glasses, MJ. I would say, I like

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals have done to improve immediately here in

747
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I would agree with that, And you know,

748
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: we'll have to see for the draft. And you know,

749
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: the Niners obviously, if you know kind of mortgage is

750
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: a future for what they're going to do. We know

751
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the Rams don't have a ton of picks. The Seahawks

752
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: kind of in the Cardinals same boat, five or six,

753
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: I want to say, so the Niners, they're talented, They

754
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: just they just got hit with the injury bug. And

755
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: even though you know everyone's trying to replace Jimmy Garoppolo

756
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, look at his win loss record. The

757
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: problem is they had to go to backup quarterbacks. And

758
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: there's a draft off and I'm curious to see who

759
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in, because that was a big talking

760
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Speaker 1: point in the offseason. If they're gonna go with Garoppolo. Now,

761
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: if they drafted, you know, quarterback of the third overall pick,

762
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: I gotta assume he's gonna dress on game day. But

763
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: the idea was that if Jimmy helps something happened to

764
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo that they wanted a better turn back up.

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Speaker 1: So they got talent, and you know, you get some

766
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Speaker 1: of those weapons back. You know, Brandon Nayik was injured

767
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: last year. He's going to be a returner. Deebo Samuel,

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Speaker 1: We'll see about the running game. The only thing I'll

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00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: say about the Seahawks, I think it was important they

770
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: resigned Chris Carson. We know it's going to come down

771
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson and you know, DK Metcalf and Tyler

772
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Lockett in the running game. But I think the Cardinals

773
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: had to improve in those areas and I think they

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00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: did that, so I would give them the edge. But

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00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: we all know it's going to come down to division games.

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00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: And you start off two and oh last year and

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00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: then you finished two and four, and we talked about

778
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: getting through the Rams, you know they're gonna have to

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00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: get through the Seahawks. I gotta remind myself the Seahawks

780
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: were twelve and four last year. It was a sneaky

781
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: twelve and four based off how they finished the season,

782
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: and maybe when you're having this discussion, as far as

783
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you know which team had the better offseason, you can

784
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: make the case that the Cardinals had more to do

785
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: to get to that level of a Rams, Seahawks and

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers team, and that you know, that's that's

787
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: one way if you know Devil's advocate are looking at

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00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: it from the other side, that you know, in totality, yeah,

789
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: great offseason, but why did they have to have a

790
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: great offseason? Exactly? That's that's why they had more to

791
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: They had more to address correct and that's why we're

792
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: seeing more household names now. I do like this to

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00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: just Sean Jackson pick up. I know he's getting up

794
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: there in age, but you know he's thirty two, but

795
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: he can fly. And I want to say Sean McVay

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00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: was with him in Washington. Maybe it was with Washington

797
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: football team. And you know, we know that Cam Makers

798
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: is probably going to be their featured back. They'd like

799
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: to use the tight ends, but they got Cooper Cup

800
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: and Robert Woods, but I think it with Matthew Stafford

801
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: and he could throw that deepall. I think de Sean

802
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Jackson's really going to open up that offense for him.

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00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: So that's another weapon that Cardinals are gonna have to defend. Well,

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00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you brought it up. Let's get into it before we

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Speaker 1: end this Monday edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Honday,

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00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Not a Friday news

807
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: dump because it was not in the afternoon or evening,

808
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: but in the morning news breaks and the forty nine

809
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: ers have since confirmed it, but they now own the

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Speaker 1: number three overall pick. They dealt the twelfth overall selection,

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Speaker 1: a third round pick, and first round picks in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty twenty three to the Dolphins, who

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: then about what fifteen twenty minutes later, traded the twelfth

814
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Speaker 1: overall selection and a twenty twenty two first round pick

815
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Speaker 1: to the Eagles for a sixth overall pick. So here's

816
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Speaker 1: the first ten draft picks, or here's the first six

817
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: picks now coming up on April twenty nine. Jaguars, Jets,

818
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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, Falcons, Bengals, and Dolphins. So really, what

819
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: the Dolphins did is they moved from three to six

820
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: at the expense of a first round pick that they

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Speaker 1: acquired from the forty nine ers. So this certainly has

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Speaker 1: left a lot of people from the forty nine ers standpoint, Okay, well,

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00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Well, there's only one reason, MJ.

824
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: You're doing it because you need a quarterback. You're doing

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00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: it for your quote unquote quarterback of the future. And

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00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: now people believe that Jimmy Garoppolo. Can you keep him

827
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: on the roster? What do you do with him? But

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Speaker 1: interesting that this news breaks on Friday, which also the

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Speaker 1: same day Zach Wilson had his pro day at BYU

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Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers were in attendance. Well, it

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Speaker 1: seems like, you know, I guess the draft will start

832
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Speaker 1: probably at number four, now maybe five, depending on what

833
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: Carolina does. The Falcons go for a quarterback Arthur Smith,

834
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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta think he's gonna get He looks

835
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: at Matt Ryan like Ryan Tannehill. I know they're the

836
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: age is different, but yeah, I was shocked. You know,

837
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: they're saying all the right things that Groppool's the guy.

838
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: You know after this year, they really don't have a

839
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: lot of dead money in the cab and I think

840
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: they're ready to compete right now. But I think what

841
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: they're doing is they want to check that box for

842
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: the future and they must feel like there's one guy

843
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: out there. And if Zach Wilson's going to the Jets

844
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence is going to the Jacksonville Jaguars and

845
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: now I don't know how much they like justin Fields,

846
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: but it comes down to two guys, Trey Lance and

847
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones. And you know you're saying, well, they had

848
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: the twelve fold were all pick would one of those

849
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: guys dropped there? You know a lot of people put

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Speaker 1: the Patriots even though they got Cam Newton his relationship

851
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: with Nick Saban. It makes sense Patriots got the fifteenth pick,

852
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: one pick before the Cardinals. Who's to say, Belle check

853
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade up, so they must feel they know who's

854
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: going one and two, but they must feel comfortable to

855
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: where they got to three. And then we had Philadelphia

856
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: try to get in the mix there a little bit

857
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: moving back with the Dolphins and stuff like that. So yeah,

858
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: I was I was shocked, But I do think Garoppolo

859
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: is going to be the guy. And I don't know

860
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: if they can go into the season with a rookie quarterback.

861
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: They're ready to win right now at that roster. Well,

862
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: with Garoppolo, I know his contract is structured in such

863
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: a way that it's a lot of non guaranteed money,

864
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: so you can get off that and still save a

865
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: boatload of cash as far as the salary cap, And

866
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: there's one line of thinking that you save that money

867
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: because you've got a number of guys coming up four

868
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: extensions if you want to retain a boat Samuel, guys

869
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: that you believe are part of your core on the

870
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: offense and defensive en So yes, it's the whole Josh

871
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Rosen right now, he's our quarterback. I think things tend

872
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to change a little bit when we're in this time period,

873
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: if you will, between free agency and the draft, because

874
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: what is said is also picked apart a lot of

875
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: the times, and we know what happened. Josh Rosen was

876
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: traded and Kyler Murray became the guy. So the forty

877
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: nine ers are going to draft a quarterback, and you

878
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: brought up the question is who, And I don't know

879
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: if the Jets, you know, do they move off of

880
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold or are they ready to cut bait and

881
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: move on and get their own quarterback of the future,

882
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: because that would shake things up as well, because then

883
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the forty nine ers at number three,

884
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: maybe they now have to think Wilson, Fields, Lance or

885
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Jones because the Jets go with someone else a tackle

886
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: or a corner or a wide receiver. It certainly would

887
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: be a surprise. I think a lot of people believe

888
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: MJ that quarterbacks are going to go one, two, three,

889
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: four off the board in some particular order, with Trevor

890
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence being the number one guy. It's the Jaguars. I

891
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: think there's no debate about that anymore. Yeah, and I

892
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: think it's very clear. And you know, if you're Trent Belkie,

893
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: who's the general manager, and we know that the owners involved,

894
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: mister Khan shot con and then urban Meyer. Clearly he's

895
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: in charge of the personnel. So yeah, I mean, you

896
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: just can't come out today and say we're going to

897
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: draft Trevor Lawrence. I mean, plus the morning of the draft,

898
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: the day of the draft, they have to call him

899
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: to make sure he's available, and it's more of a

900
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: protocol because if you can't get a hold of a

901
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: guy again, this is stuff that's not going to happen.

902
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: But I think when you hire a new head coach

903
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: in Robert Sala and Joe Douglas has a ton of

904
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: draft capital and a ton of cap space. You know,

905
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's all on Sam Donald, to be

906
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: honest with you, but if you can get a second

907
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: round pick for Sam Donald, don't alway get that rookie

908
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: on that rookie contract now? Is he ready to play

909
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: right away? And all that other stuff, I don't know.

910
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly they got six year contracts with the Jets,

911
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: so they're building for the future. But you gotta again,

912
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, he didn't draft Sam Darnel. That was Mike mcagnen.

913
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: So you can hit the reset button and start over

914
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: and get that rookie quarterback on that rookie deal for

915
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: a long time. By the way, the mentioning Josh Rosen,

916
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: he has been resigned by the forty nine ers. He's

917
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: on the roster, and then all of a sudden, all

918
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: this news is breaking. You think maybe I can be

919
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: the backup or maybe compete for that number one job,

920
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, well, hey, I'm deja

921
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: vu all over again, as far as that next air

922
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: apparents coming in and all of a sudden, Josh Rosen,

923
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: it just seemply can't buy a break here in his

924
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: early career. And you feel for him, because I do

925
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: think he's talented. But sometimes it's it's not when you

926
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: get drafted, it's who you get drafted to. What kind

927
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: of setup do they have, what kind of help do

928
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: they have for you to be successful? Because everyone points

929
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady and oh, you know sixth round draft pick. Well,

930
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: you know it was a luxury item because they had

931
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: drew Bledsoe and they took it the chance and it

932
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: worked out. But you know, guys are successful sometimes regardless.

933
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: And then there are guys that are successful because of

934
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: the surroundings that they're put into and the help that

935
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: they get. You know when when it comes to Rosen,

936
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly he was he was going to get

937
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round and Cardinals were at fifteen.

938
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: They went to ten. Neely didn't give up a ton

939
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: for him. But the thing is, I don't know if

940
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: he's going to get better coaching from Kyle Shannon. And now, clearly,

941
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in the same quarterback room with

942
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, you'd hope you learned something there. Unfortunately here,

943
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: hopefully you learn something from the left, which because you

944
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: know Mike McCoy that wasn't going to work out. But

945
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon is really a great developer quarterback, So hopefully

946
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: he can learn there. And you know, if they do

947
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: take a quarterback third, is that quarterback active on game day?

948
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Beca does here we go again? If something happens at Garoppolo,

949
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: They've talked about that. At least Rosen's now been in

950
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: the system, so Josh could be the backup going into

951
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: the season. I don't know that for sure, but hopefully

952
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: he can learn from Kyle Shannon and if it's not there,

953
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Because Kyle Shannihon is one of the better

954
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches in football with the whole motion and shifting

955
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: and recognizing defenses. I mean, he's really good at his craft,

956
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: and I think he learned a lot from his father.

957
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: It certainly was a major move, a major play for

958
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and yes, it does have an

959
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: indirect and direct impact on the Cardinals as far as

960
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: this season and seasons to come, because now all of

961
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, that quarterback in the division, you're getting younger,

962
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: and Kyle Murray might not be the youngest player now

963
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: leading a team. He was there for a while, but

964
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, maybe it's the changing of

965
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: the guard, if you will, with the forty nine ers

966
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: and Cardinals with these young pups going again, some of

967
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: the veterans and the Russell Wilson and Matthew Stafford, and

968
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: you start to wonder when it comes to John Lynch

969
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: putting that roster together with his personnel staff today today

970
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it's we've had a tough time

971
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: defending a mobile quarterback, so how about we get a

972
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback where they got to defend us now, Because

973
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: all these guys were talking about, you know, Trevor Lawrence

974
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: probably more of a PoCA passer Zach Wilson, kind of

975
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: a RPO guy. Trey Lance not a lot of starts,

976
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: more of an RPO guy. Justin Fields can make all

977
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: the throats. Mac Jones he played in the pro style offense,

978
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: but he had wide receivers that probably can start on

979
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL teams. He's kind of a guy

980
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: that can do a little bit of everything. So maybe

981
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are saying, we just don't want

982
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: to have a stationary quarterback because we want something that's mobile,

983
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: especially in this division and the way the league is going.

984
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: So definitely this is going to be a key point

985
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: for the entire teams in the NFC West about a

986
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: few of the San Francisco forty nine ers at the

987
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Yeah. Much more on this as we get

988
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: more news on what the forty nine ers might do

989
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: and then ultimately what they ultimately do on Draft Day.

990
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: And then this final note, our colleague Kyle Dagard mentioned

991
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: on social media that with this trade, the Cardinals now

992
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: the only NFC West team with a first round pick

993
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: next season. Rams forty nine ers Seahawks. They do not

994
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: have a first round pick in twenty twenty two. I

995
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: like it Craig, but they got something to show for

996
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: those picks. Jamal Adams one of the best safeties in football,

997
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: So I mean, I get it. I mean, some teams

998
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: value it more than others. Obviously, the Niners are mortgage

999
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: into the future on a guy that they know more

1000
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: than we do. But is it going to pan out?

1001
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen quarterbacks Johnny Manziel not the third

1002
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: overall pick, Jake or Christian Ponder on Dwayne Haskins. I mean,

1003
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: but again, if you don't have one for the future,

1004
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: and I thought you had an excellent point. If you

1005
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: want to re up some of those defensive players and

1006
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: we're talking to household names, you get a rookie quarterback.

1007
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: You can do that for the next couple of years

1008
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: and they'll have some stability of winning ten, eleven, twelve

1009
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: games every year because of that rookie quarterback. And again,

1010
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's one of the best when it comes to

1011
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: working with young quarterbacks. Look at his history. Let's just

1012
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: hope it doesn't happen that way, Jay, just for our

1013
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: own benefit and the entire Bird gang, how about that.

1014
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: I can we can all agree that that doesn't happen.

1015
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, and yes, you're absolutely true,

1016
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe it doesn't happen that way. Well,

1017
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: and then then we look at Cliff. I mean him

1018
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: and Kyler are growing together. It's going to be a

1019
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: big year. They got to make the next step. And

1020
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think Cliffs is gonna lean on Sean

1021
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Coogler and some of them maybe different formations. We see

1022
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: they got to get that running game going, so I could.

1023
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're saying the same thing about if to

1024
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback for the future in this division, I

1025
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams would say Kyler Murray nothing

1026
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: againstay anything of these guys coming out. We know we

1027
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: can We know what Murray can do. It's got to

1028
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: get better and not as inconsistent. But you know, Stafford,

1029
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: he's not going to play forever. But I do like

1030
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, the Cardinals have some skill

1031
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: position players where they can compete with this team's in

1032
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: the division. I think defensively they can win some football games,

1033
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: hopefully in the fourth quarter in some of these division games.

1034
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: Just goes to show you, bird Gang, how quickly things

1035
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: can happen in the National Football League. And they happen

1036
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: fast on Friday, as far as how things now look

1037
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, And on that note,

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00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals

1039
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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Unday Product partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

1040
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: As all, we special thanks to our executive producer, Jim

1041
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: Almandro or Mike Jarecki. I'm Greg Rayel Loup. We'll talk

1042
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.