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Speaker 1: other person. That's not how they think. I mean, Listen,

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Speaker 1: he is non policy's ordering everything he wants. Clearly, he

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Speaker 1: is not a rational person who's going to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, there's another body. He's one of the

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Speaker 1: most dangerous criminals we can encount. What's so amazing to

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Speaker 1: me is that he's bargaining behind bars for a Windy's.

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Speaker 1: What was it he wanted, Dave Matt He wants a

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Speaker 1: Windy's ranch, he wants the winds, he wants the Wendy's

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Speaker 1: triple with no pickles. He wants a grilled chicken caesar salad.

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Speaker 1: And he's a big guy, so he knows this menu.

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Speaker 1: This is a regular haunt for him. These two teen

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Speaker 1: girls missing, and as Joe Scott Morgan described in the Lab,

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Speaker 1: they find out the remains are not one but two girls.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Austin de Lady CTV nes, the affable detective

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Speaker 1: Paul Mitton wants details about Hashet's murder, whose torso was

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Speaker 1: found in the Oshawa harbor. I don't know how appropriate

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Speaker 1: this is, but I like you to pass on to

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Speaker 1: her mother and her fathers and answers as to why

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Speaker 1: the DNA of missing nineteen year old Candace Patrick was

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Speaker 1: also found in his Oshua basement apartment. But Strong is

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Speaker 1: not giving away anything for free. I would like to,

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Speaker 1: and I'm heel of this to my lawyer, and he's

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Speaker 1: not interested in it. And I don't understand why of

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Speaker 1: stilling the beans and and and being as comfortable as

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Speaker 1: I can in jail, not like one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: like picked in, but like like an allowance. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like internet access, like if he's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't have anybody who's gonna buy me DV. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. The season police interrogator tells he

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Speaker 1: accused killer, who admits only to dismembering Hasha. Yes, yes too,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Is he

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Speaker 1: actually trying to bargain for a comfy jail where he

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Speaker 1: has on internet access. Did he say something about he

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Speaker 1: wants an allowance in exchange for testimony? Yep. And he

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Speaker 1: mentioned other criminals who had negotiated deals behind bars. I

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Speaker 1: think this, Nancy goes back to when the police officer

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Speaker 1: arrived at his door to start with, and he just

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Speaker 1: hangs his head and says, the gig is up. He

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Speaker 1: knew there was an end game, and he had a

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Speaker 1: plan of what he was going to give out and

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Speaker 1: what he was going to hold back in negotiations to

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Speaker 1: make his prison time more enjoyable if it can be Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Dave mac, I think you're right. I

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Speaker 1: got my first clue as to that when he was

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Speaker 1: ordering the Windy's double no pickles with iced tea. The

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Speaker 1: chicken wraps two of them their value meals, he says,

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Speaker 1: and a Caesar salad. Take a listen to Katherine McDonald

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Speaker 1: Global Knees. The first few hours of an eleven hour

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Speaker 1: video was shown capturing an interview between a police polygraph

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Speaker 1: expert and Adam Strong At first, the forty eight year

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Speaker 1: old seems relaxed, almost upbeat, but two hours in he

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Speaker 1: eventually admits that he dismembered Rory hash A. You're pretty calm.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned how calm you are. This is

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Speaker 1: video viewed at the trial of Adam Strong, showing his

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Speaker 1: first interrogation. It was taken after Strong was arrested in

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Speaker 1: December twenty seventeen for the murder of eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: Rory hash A. We cannot show you video containing the

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Speaker 1: second interrogation, taped in November twenty eighteen and played in

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Speaker 1: court Monday. It was recorded after Strong was charged with

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Speaker 1: the murder of nineteen year old Canvas Fitzpatrick, and it

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Speaker 1: has yet to be filed as an exhibit, but we

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Speaker 1: can tell you Strong admits to dismembering Rory. After the

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Speaker 1: officer tells Strong that it's believed Rory was pregnant when

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Speaker 1: she was murdered. Strong argues Rory was not pregnant. I

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Speaker 1: could bet my life there's no way getting around that.

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Speaker 1: I chopped her up. So what is it about his

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Speaker 1: frame of mind? As you Walcott, and it's dangerous to

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Speaker 1: go into the mind of a killer because sometimes it

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Speaker 1: sticks with you and you can't shake it all off.

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Speaker 1: But he admits he chopped her up, but he refuses

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Speaker 1: to recognize this teen girl, roy Hasha was pregnant when

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Speaker 1: he murdered and butchered her. Isn't it wild? Now? I'm

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Speaker 1: not the psychologist, Thank goodness for Karen Stark, but from

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Speaker 1: what I've seen as a judge, typically what it means

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Speaker 1: is there is some type of experience that they had

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Speaker 1: earlier in life that they simply cannot accept as that

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Speaker 1: that's not something they can handle, but they can handle

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Speaker 1: chopping up in eighteen year old And remember, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to make sense to us, right, So whatever is

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Speaker 1: in his mind doesn't take away from the fact that

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Speaker 1: he committed this pain us crime and that yes, she

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Speaker 1: was pregnant. He just can't believe it because something's wrong

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Speaker 1: with him. Due day Matt Crime Online dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Dave, how did the girls go missing? Where were

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Speaker 1: they last saying? How did he get his mits on them?

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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, At this point, we don't exactly know,

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Speaker 1: but we do know that in the case of Rory,

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Speaker 1: she was actually seen in the small downtown area for

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Speaker 1: the last time prior to going missing. But we haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten the information from the police. They're not actually, I

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Speaker 1: don't know whether they don't know exactly what happened yet

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Speaker 1: or if they just aren't releasing that information. But we

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Speaker 1: do know that Rory was last seen downtown and this

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Speaker 1: is while her mom was working twelve hours shifts to

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Speaker 1: support her, just before they had off for a year

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Speaker 1: long adventure and a refurbished bus, before Rory was to

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Speaker 1: set out for college that was not meant to be.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear him from straight from the horse's mouth. Here

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Speaker 1: is Adam Strong speaking and reporting by Brittany Resin. As

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Speaker 1: Mitten showed the accused numerous images. Strong said repeatedly, investigators

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Speaker 1: had quote done a horrible job. The detective also asked

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Speaker 1: Strong numerous times about his sexual relations with the victim,

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Speaker 1: telling him investigators had found his seamen. After examining Hawsche's pell,

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Speaker 1: which was found in Strong's basement freezer, Strong appeared shocked.

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Speaker 1: He said, quote, I took her apart right, so could

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Speaker 1: it have spilled? Later on in the tape, he went

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Speaker 1: on to describe dismembering the body, saying, quote it felt

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Speaker 1: natural the way I cut around the socket. And everything released.

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Speaker 1: It felt natural the way I cut around the socket

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Speaker 1: and everything released. He's also denying raping the young girls,

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Speaker 1: even though a seaman is found on Hasche's pelvis. He says,

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Speaker 1: I took her apart, didn't I couldn't it have spilled?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Cut around the socket? Everything released,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. What he's saying is that he didn't.

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Speaker 1: If folks at home will just take their hands and

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Speaker 1: put them on their thighs, and your long bone in

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Speaker 1: there the femur. Okay, just imagine like a tree branch.

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Speaker 1: If you tried to cut across a tree branch, it's very,

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Speaker 1: very difficult. But where are bones as long bones like

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Speaker 1: our femers connect at the pelvis. If you can go

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Speaker 1: in there, there's not a lot of so much cutting

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Speaker 1: across the grain that's involved as there is dislodging it

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Speaker 1: from the socket in the pelvis. So you have to

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Speaker 1: cut around the tissue that's where of thing, and literally

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Speaker 1: you just dismantle or dismember the body that way. And

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Speaker 1: you know, this gives me an indication that he has

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Speaker 1: some kind of familiarity with this Nancy, And back to

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Speaker 1: my earlier premise. He's not new to this. That's what's

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Speaker 1: terrifying about. You're right, I wonder if there are more

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Speaker 1: victims we know about these two. He strongly denies having

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Speaker 1: sex with their bodies, although semen was found. He also

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Speaker 1: denies other victims. But I agree with you. You don't

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Speaker 1: just suddenly murder and dismember. This is not his first

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Speaker 1: time on the stage in his mind. So, Dave Matt,

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Speaker 1: what's the status of the case against this maniac? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say mania because he's clearly sane.

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Speaker 1: This evil or Adam Strong still at trial, Nancy, and

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Speaker 1: this is not going to go away anytime soon. We

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Speaker 1: just don't know. This is not the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: This is just the first of what could be many

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Speaker 1: trials to come. We wait as justice unfalls. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: our prayers for the families of these two young girls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,