1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to like shoehorn fast guitar licks into 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: every single song. But at the same time, it's like 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: such a big part of what I do is I'm 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: a guitar player, and I want to be able to 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: express myself on the instrument as well as, like through 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: my lyrics and my singings. 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: What do you get when you blend dazzling flat pick 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and fearless songwriting and a steady curiosity about what roots 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: music can sound like? Today, I'm buzznight. Welcome to Taking 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: a Walk, and you get Molly Title, a Grammy winning 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: musician who keeps reimagining the boundaries of Americana. She's not 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: just a virtuoso on the guitar, She's a storyteller, unafraid 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: to weave together tradition and innovation. On today's episode, we're 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: going to talk about our brand new project, So Long 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: Little Miss Sunshine, Fresh Territory for Molly, another leap forward 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: in her already remarkable journey. We'll talk to Molly Tuttle. 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 2: I'm taking a walk after these words, Taking a walk, 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Molly Tuttle. We've been trying to get you on this 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: Sangled podcast for a while, and now it's happening. I'm 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: so excited. 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: Well, I know, thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm so 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: excited to be here. 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We're gonna get into a lot 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: of stuff, certainly the new work and what's been going 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: on with that. But I do want to ask you 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: first before we get into So Long, Little Miss Sunshine. 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: Since we call this podcast Taken a Walk, Molly, if 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: who might you take a walk with? And where would 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: you take that walk? 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: Oh wait, that's such a good question. 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: The first person who kind of popped into my head 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: would be Joni Mitchell taking a walk with her. And 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: my favorite place to probably take a walk would be 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: maybe somewhere like in Big sur That's like the prettiest 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: place to me. I love going on hikes there, not. 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: A bad spot for sure. Yeah, So congrats on So 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: Long Little Miss Sunshine. Before I sort of dissect it 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: from your point of view, I thought it might be 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: interesting to give our listeners a glimpse into what's on 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: your personal musical playlist these days, because I think that's 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: often a window into the creative road people are taking. 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: Totally. Yeah, I think, like I listened to all sorts 44 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: of stuff. 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: I love going back and listening to the you know, 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: like music from the seventies and eighties and nineties and 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: kind of like people like some of my favorite songwriters 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: are like Gordon Lightfoot and. 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: I love the Eagles. I feel like some of the 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: new songs. 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: On the record were inspired by them, Cheryl Crow, and 52 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: then my favorites from growing up where like Gillian Welch 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: and Hagel Sildickens, and of course like traditional bluegrass music 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: is what I grew up listening to with my dad 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: and I still I love listening to that too, Like 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: gol Monroe and the Stanley Brothers are probably my favorite. 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: As far as like newer music coming out, I'm always 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: kind of listening to different albums as. 59 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: They come out. 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: Like this summer, I've been loving listening to the new 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: Lucas Nelson album and the new Tyler Childers album. I 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of listened to a lot of records in that 63 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: sort of you know, country but a little more throwback 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: country or sort of I don't know. I guess they 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: used to call it all the country, but I know 66 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: there's so much discussion about like what do we call 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: these people who aren't on like the mainstream commercial country track, 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, I love that type of music. I love 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: listening to Charlie Crockett and Sierra Farrell. But yeah, I 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: also like some of the music I listened to a 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: lot leading up to making this record was like indie 72 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: rock stuff like I love the Boy Genius album that 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: came out a couple years ago, and Phoebe Bridges is 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. In high school, I listened to 75 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: a ton of Emmy I rock, like The National is 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: one of my favorite bands, and I love Boni Vere. 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: So those are the albums that sort of I guess 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: when you're like at that age, maybe fourteen to sixteen, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: I feel like the music you listen to then leaves 80 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: like a really big impression on you. And I was 81 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: really into like indie rock stuff in high school, so 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I still listen to that a lot too. 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: See that sheds a light on someone who's a tremendous 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: creator like you, who is not afraid to take different 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: twists and turns. So yeah, I want you to describe 86 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: your creative evolution to those insanely territorial bluegrass fans who 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: are so fixated. I love them to death. But they're 88 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: so fixated on certain things. So describe your creative evolution 89 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 2: certainly for this project. 90 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this project was kind of it felt 91 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: like a continuation of what I had been doing prior 92 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: to making my last two bluegrass records, Crooked Tree and 93 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: City of Gold. It was like I knew I wanted 94 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: to make some traditional not traditional, but like make some 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: real bluegrass records at some point, and then all of 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, I started writing all these bluegrass songs and 97 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: I put together the band Golden Highway, and that was 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: like so much fun. But at the same time, I 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: had this other project I had been cooking up at 100 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: the same time, which became my new record, So Long 101 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: a Little Miss Sunshine, and the music that I kind 102 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: of made like I did a cover record during the 103 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: pandemic where I recorded all my parts at home and 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: it was called but I'd Rather Be with You, And 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: then my record When You're Ready. They're both kind of 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: in the more like you know, singer songwriter, ind ye 107 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: folk realm, I guess. 108 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: A little more so this one. 109 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Felt like I was kind of returning to making a 110 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: solo record, whereas my last two records felt like I 111 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: really wanted to make them have that kind of band 112 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: feel like I didn't record with my live band Golden Highway, 113 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: but I still wanted to have that kind of like playful, 114 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: like energy if you're just at a bluegrass jam. And 115 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: then we made the second record, City of Gold with 116 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: the live touring band, and then we had kind of 117 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: even jelled more as a band, so we had more 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: of that kind of back and forth. But this record, 119 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to, you know, step out as 120 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: like a solo artist. 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 3: A bit more. 122 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: So. 123 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: One thing that I've struggled with the most is like 124 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: figuring out how does my guitar playing fit into like 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: maybe a different style, because when I'm playing bluegrass, it's 126 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: so in my wheelhouse to just like I know, you know, 127 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: I know how to play a bluegrass guitar solo. Maybe 128 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: I work at my solos really hard to make them 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: good on the record and like work out like a 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: complicated solo or complicated. 131 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: Lik here and there. But I generally know how that goes. 132 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a fun challenge for me 133 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: to write these songs that are more in the like 134 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, singer song writer realm and then 135 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: still figure out how do I take like a virtuosic 136 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: guitar solo mid song because that's not like something that 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: you hear a lot on this type of music. So 138 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: that was something I felt like I did, like better 139 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: than ever before on my new record. And it was 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: really fun working with Jay Joyce because he's a great 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: guitar player and he had all these ideas for me 142 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: on how to like kind of weave my guitar playing 143 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: into these songs and into this production style that is 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: a little more like rock, country. 145 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: Pop, whatever you want to call it. 146 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we came up with a sound 147 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: that I have a hard time really like saying what 148 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: genre it is, but yeah, it was. 149 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: It was a fun experience. 150 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: But I think that's cool that it's not, you know, 151 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: this particular genre you know definition. I love that about it. 152 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: I love that about this work that you've done. Can 153 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: you talk about the themes or stories that you explored 154 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: on this new album and how you sort of got 155 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: to those stories. 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely an album about kind of becoming yourself, 157 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: being like unafraid to be yourself, and some of the 158 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: songs are like sort of have a coming of age 159 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: theme to them. Like the last song on the album 160 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: Story of My Soul called Life, I was just kind 161 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: of going through these little moments that I remember throughout 162 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: my life that were moments when I learned something, or 163 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: I grew as a person, or like became who I 164 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: am now in like golden state of mind. That song 165 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: is all about kind of, you know, accepting where you're 166 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: at and and still seeing like the positive side of life. 167 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: So I think there's definitely that's one of the themes. 168 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Definitely travel and like road trips and explore exploration of 169 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: both yourself and the world around you is a theme 170 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: as well that shows up on a couple of songs. 171 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: But I think like one song that I felt like 172 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: sort of encapsulated it for me was when we wrote 173 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: Old Me New Wig. It's all about just kind of 174 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: stepping into yourself and saying goodbye to like your insecurities 175 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: or something you need to let go of that you've 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: been maybe holding. 177 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: On too for too long. 178 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: So this album is just kind of about being unafraid 179 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: to be yourself. 180 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: How much in your life did these jam sessions, these 181 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: family jam sessions that I think there's so many people 182 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: wish they were a fly on the wall for that's 183 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: your family jam sessions. How much did those impact you 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: then and when you think about your world now impact. 185 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: You now, Yeah, they had a big impact on me, 186 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: even just stuff that I take for granted, like playing 187 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: with my brothers and my dad growing up. 188 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: It's like you just learn how to play with other people. 189 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: Listen, listen to other people, Listen to the bass and 190 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: make sure you're playing at the same tempo as them, 191 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and you know, trade around the solos, and you learn 192 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: to just kind of listen and react to what's happening. 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: Maybe someone is playing their solo and they accidentally skip 194 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: to a different part of the song, and you learn 195 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: to just kind of like go with them and you know, 196 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: try to do what's best for the song. 197 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: And also we started playing shows. 198 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: When I was like eleven or two, twelve years old, 199 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: and just even basic things like you need to make 200 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: a set list, to need to rehearse the whole set 201 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: before you play it on stage. Stuff like that that 202 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of like I feel lucky that I learned it 203 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: as a little kid. I didn't have to, you know, 204 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: learn it by trial and error later on when I 205 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: was playing with my own band. But yeah, I think 206 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: anyone who's like trying to get better at music, I 207 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: just say, like, go find anyone else to play with, 208 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: because playing with other people is such a good way 209 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: to kind of improve. Even if you're like playing with 210 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: people who maybe aren't as advanced as you, you're still 211 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: learning something. You're learning how to play, you know, maybe 212 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: slower than you normally would. You're learning how to listen 213 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: and be supportive to someone who might not be at 214 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: your level. But also I think finding people who are 215 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: more advanced than you is is really helpful too. And 216 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: that happened to me when I was a kid and 217 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I would play with my dad's other students who were 218 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of years older than me, and they 219 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: were more advanced, and that made me want to work 220 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: really hard and practice more so that I could improvise 221 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: like they could and take solos like they could. So yeah, 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: and I remember too as a kid, I ended up 223 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: going to Nashville and doing a kids on Bluegrass thing 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: where I met people like Sierra Hall, who is like 225 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: now one of my close friends here in Nashville, but 226 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: seeing her play when she was maybe the twelve or so, 227 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: and being like, wait, I have never heard a kid 228 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: who is around my same age, just absolutely shredding like that. 229 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: That kind of was the moment where I was either 230 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: gonna quit playing all together or like double down and 231 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: be like, you know, maybe I'll never play exactly like her, 232 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: but like it inspired me to want to work harder 233 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: so that I could play with her someday. 234 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: I think it's so amazing what's going on, this revolution 235 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: with you and Sierra and of course Billy and so 236 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: many others that is bringing this music and this intersection 237 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: of genres to a wider audience. Could you have ever 238 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: imagined when you started out that this revolution would be 239 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: taking place that I think we're in the middle of, 240 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: which I think is just so tremendous. 241 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so exciting. Yeah, I mean, I guess when 242 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: I was a kid. 243 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: We had like Oh Brother where Artau came out, and 244 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: that felt like its own kind of revolution. Where my 245 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: dad is a bluegrass teacher. He teaches all the bluegrass 246 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: instruments and does private lessons, so you can even go 247 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm always giving him shout outs, even though he's trying 248 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: to slow down on the teaching these days. You can 249 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: go to his website and even sign up for like 250 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: an online lesson with him Jack Tuttle. But I remember 251 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: when that movie came out, suddenly my dad was busier 252 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: than ever with students. 253 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: Everyone wanted to learn bluegrass. 254 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a similar thing happening now 255 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: where the music has sort of popped into more of 256 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: the mainstream awareness. 257 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: And I think it's great. 258 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Because it's such a good way for people to connect, 259 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: like in real life. And you know, I went to 260 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: like Billy's Billy Strings show here in Nashville at bridge 261 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: Stone Arena and hearing like this music, like he's playing 262 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: like a Bill Monroe song to like ten thousand people, 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: And I just wish that like my grandfather, who played 264 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: the banjo and kind of started that love of bluegrass 265 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: in my family, could have been there, because you wouldn't 266 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: have believed it. He would have been absolutely dumbfounded advice 267 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: seeing that. But it's it's just cool to see the 268 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: community and people just all getting together to share this 269 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: love of music. And so many of the fans play 270 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: bluegrass themselves, so that's another way for people to connect. 271 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: I think we need that more than ever. 272 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: In our current world when we're also online and glued 273 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: to our phones and you know, people are writing comments 274 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: online and getting into fights, and then they meet up. 275 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: In real life and maybe they would actually get along. 276 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, everyone should pick up a banjo and go 277 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: to their local bluegrass jam. 278 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Taken a 279 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 4: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taken a Walk Podcast. 280 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: Was there any unexpected challenges with this new project or 281 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: breakthroughs while creating new material, any particular with certain songs 282 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: that were in these aha moments? 283 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I think certain songs just really I can't 284 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: think of any like massive challenges. But we definitely went 285 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: back and forth a lot about like who is gonna 286 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: play on the record, Like what is the instrumentation? How 287 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: far removed are we gonna take it from the work 288 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I'd done before. We brought in my partner, Catch Secor 289 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: to play a bunch of fiddle and banjo and mandolin 290 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: because we still wanted to have those stringed instruments on 291 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: the album. And then certain songs like I Remember the 292 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Highway Knows That one took a long time for me 293 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: to write and I was just kind of writing it 294 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: from this simple fingerpick to guitar part that I thought 295 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: of that I thought was cool, but it took forever 296 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: for me to figure out, like how do I put 297 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: words to this? 298 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: And then when we got into the studio. 299 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: That was one where like it was like a nice 300 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: song and kind of like just chugged along, But then 301 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Jay was he came up with this whole other part 302 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: that you hear midway through where suddenly I'm switching to 303 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: flat picking and I'm taking this big solo on it. 304 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: So there were songs like that that just took, you know, 305 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: a couple months to kind of slowly develop and make 306 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: it into their final form that ended up on the album. 307 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: Another one was like everything Burns. I think we just 308 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I was so on the fence about like the song itself. 309 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, do we record it? Do we not record it? 310 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: And then when Jay came in one day, he's like, 311 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: I was up til four am, and I made this 312 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: whole instrumental section midway through, and I have ideas we 313 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: totally rewrote the chorus and this and that. So songs 314 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: like that they really transformed and became pretty different both 315 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: lyrically and like just arrangement wise than they were before. 316 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: So it was like it was really. 317 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: Fun to spend a couple months last fall just every 318 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: day going into this you and kind of developing these 319 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: songs slowly. 320 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: Your guitar playing, it's it's renowned for its precision, it's 321 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: tremendous emotion. How do you balance the technical skill with 322 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: this heartfelt expression. 323 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's something that like I find to 324 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: be a challenge because I don't want to like shoehorn. 325 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: Fast guitar likes into every single song. 326 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like such a big 327 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: part of what I do is I'm a guitar player, 328 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: and I want to be able to express myself on 329 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: the instrument as well as like through my lyrics and 330 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: my singing. So yeah, I think this was a record 331 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: where I felt like that was what we spent the 332 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: most time on. Was we had the songs, but then 333 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: we would spend so much time on the guitar parts 334 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: because we knew we wanted them to be. Even if 335 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm not taking like face melting solo with a million 336 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: notes in each song, we at least wanted them to 337 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: be interesting and kind of catch. 338 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Your in a way. 339 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think ultimately I always want to like 340 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: serve the song first and like play what is going 341 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: to make the song sound good and kind of fit 342 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: the emotion of the song. But I do try to, 343 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: you know, come up with parts that are a little 344 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: more kind of sophisticated than just you know, when I'm 345 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: writing a song, usually I'm just kind of strumming chords 346 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: and not really playing much on the guitar, and then 347 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: that's kind of the last part that comes like, Okay, 348 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: well what do I what am I going to play 349 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: on the guitar? 350 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: So I'm not just kind of. 351 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Strumming strumming along, But if you listen to like any 352 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: of my first demos, it's just I'm not even like 353 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: holding a pick. Sometimes I'm just kind of like, the 354 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: guitar is such an afterthought when I first write the songs, 355 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: except on the ones where I'm coming up with the 356 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: guitar part first. There's like a few where I'll come 357 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: up with the guitar part I really like and then 358 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: write the song, But usually it's kind of the other 359 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: way around. 360 00:17:54,520 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you maintain creativity and motivation and you 361 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 2: face the pressures of touring and of an industry that 362 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: is so incredibly you know, competitive. 363 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely like a it's a lot to 364 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: be touring so much, and then you want to be 365 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: recording your best work when you're home, but it's hard 366 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: to like stay constant with the writing songs and going 367 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: into the studio, and so rarely you have a very 368 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: long chunk of time at home, at least for me, 369 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: and I play like at least one hundred dates most years, 370 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: but that's not even including all the days that you're 371 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: traveling in between shows. 372 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, it can be really tough. 373 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: But for me, like I generally try to remember that, 374 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: like I'm the only real reason I'm doing this is 375 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: to try to make people happy, you know, bring like 376 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: joy to people's lives. Like I go out there and 377 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: I love seeing the audience having a good time. 378 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: And I also try to kind of with my music. 379 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: I try to have a message too of like for me, 380 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: it's like really important to kind of bring this message 381 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: of like it's okay to be who you are, be yourself, 382 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: because that's like a journey that I've been on personally, 383 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: and I write a lot about it in my songs. 384 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: So that's basically what keeps me going is like even 385 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: if I'm tired, I'm at least trying to do my 386 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: best to brighten someone's day, spread a little love throughout 387 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: the world, and even if I'm really tired, even if 388 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm I have a cold or this or that, like 389 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get on stage and do my best. 390 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: And yeah it doesn't. 391 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: It's like I don't think a lot of people essentially, 392 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: when you're starting out in like the roots music or 393 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: the bluegrass or any world that's not like you know, 394 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: main a mainstream genre. Most of us aren't getting into 395 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: this because we want to be famous or we want 396 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: to make the most money or sell the most records. 397 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: Like we genuinely love music. 398 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: And I would be playing music no matter what, even 399 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: if like I was teaching music or just working at 400 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: a venue or playing in. 401 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: Other people's bands this or that. 402 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: I just kind of you know, I love playing music 403 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: and that's I'm gonna do that as long as I 404 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: can so. 405 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: And you love finding interesting covers throughout your yeah career, 406 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: you really you blow people away with your execution as 407 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: some of these covers. Over time, there's a cover I 408 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: want you to talk about on the new album. 409 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, it's like I can't even escape it now, 410 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: like I didn't after I made a cover record during 411 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic. 412 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: I think I can't. 413 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: I think maybe recorded ten tracks on that, so ten covers. 414 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done with covers. I'm not gonna 415 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: record any more covers. And then on this record, one day, 416 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: Jay Joyce was like, I really want to cover that song. 417 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: I love it, and I had just heard it like 418 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: on I forget where I'd heard it, but it had 419 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: really caught my ear, and I was like, oh, I 420 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: remember that song. 421 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: I loved that song. 422 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: So it felt kind of fortuitous that he then like 423 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: the next day I'd mentioned he wanted to do like 424 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: a slow down, kind of trippy version of it, so 425 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: I was like. 426 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it, like, I'll learn it tonight. 427 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: So I learned it that night and we came in 428 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: and recorded just in a couple hours, just me and 429 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: him and catch played some banjo. A couple of weeks later, 430 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: we actually tracked the record for real, and then when 431 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: he sent me the whole thing, he had put that 432 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: one in the middle and I listened down. I was like, hey, 433 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I actually like it works like I'm down, Let's let's 434 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: put it on the album. And it's been such a 435 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: fun little surprise for people like who both listen to 436 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: the record, and then when we do it. We've been 437 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: doing it live and I just like watching people's faces 438 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: because they don't know what song it is at first, 439 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: and then they're like wait what and they try to 440 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: sing along, but it's like pretty different than the original version. 441 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: So and that's Charlie, that's Icona Pop and Charlie x X. 442 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: But I love it. 443 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah. I love how your expression 444 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: of kind of wonderment comes out when you're thinking about 445 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: people going, I know that song. Wait a minute, she's 446 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: twisting it up a little bit differently. Yeah, find in 447 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: her way, which is so so cool. Yeah for someone 448 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: who's been such a risk taker and continues to be, 449 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: I want I want to close with this question. I 450 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: know for you, there's got to be some influential people 451 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 2: who have been risk takers who clearly influenced you and 452 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: your risk taking. Who are some of those people? 453 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, I mean I like so many of my 454 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: heroes kind of play all different genres and styles, like 455 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: people like Bailaflex. You're in nashville've gotten to play with him, 456 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: and he like, I think I heard that he's one 457 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Grammy's in the most different categories of anyone else, and 458 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: so someone like that, especially as I'm releasing this new record, 459 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: that is sort of a different stylistic jump for me. Like, 460 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: I really admire people like that who just kind of 461 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: follow their heart and experiment with different sounds whenever they want. 462 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I did watch the Bob Dylan movie this spring, and 463 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: he is definitely like a risk taker as well, that 464 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: I admire. 465 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: I've been a big Bob Dylan fan as long as 466 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: I've been. 467 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: He was kind of the first person who I listened 468 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: to his music and I was like, maybe I could 469 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: write a song, and he kind of. 470 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: Inspired me to start songwriting. 471 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: I know. 472 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: I mentioned Joni Mitchell earlier, and she's one of my 473 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: favorites as well, another person who like wasn't afraid to 474 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: mix up her sound and take risks. But yeah, there's 475 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: too many to count. I'm trying to think another hero 476 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: of mine, and like she doesn't really mix up her 477 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: sound as much as others as Gillian Welch here in Nashville. 478 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: I feel like she's kind of carved her own thing 479 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: that's so different from what anyone else is doing, and 480 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: that's kind of brave in its own way. Is just 481 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: sticking truly to who you are and crafting your own sound. 482 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: That's uniquely you. I got to see her play at 483 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: the Rhyman earlier this spring, and it was like one 484 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: of the best shows I've ever seen. 485 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: It was so cool. 486 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's one more person I want to ask 487 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: you about who I know must have had some influence 488 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: or does have an influence. It's Jerry Douglas. 489 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: Yes, I love Jerry. He produced both Cricketry and City 490 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: of Gold with me. We co produced them together. It 491 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: was so much fun working with such a musical hero 492 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: like that. And he's just like been such a great 493 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: mentor to me as well, Like if I ever have 494 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: career questions or unsure about this or that. Like he's 495 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: done so many different things. He's led his own band, 496 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: he's been a band member of like Alison Krausen Union Station, 497 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: He's produced albums, He's played on so many different albums. 498 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: So he's kind of, you know, worn all these different 499 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: hats in the music industry. And so that's someone I 500 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: really look up to as well. And he always has 501 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: the best advice and it's just always such a joy 502 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: to get to play with. 503 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: Fair to say, he's a bit of a savant, don't 504 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: you think. 505 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he just knows exactly what to play at 506 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: all the right times to make the song sound that 507 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: much better. 508 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 2: I dare say, Molly Tuttle, I consider you a savant 509 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: as well. Thank you, thank you for being on. Congrats 510 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: on so long, little miss Sunshine, and I'm so grateful 511 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: that you took the time to be on Taking a Walk. 512 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: Thank you God, thanks for having me. I'll see you 513 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: next time. 514 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 515 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 516 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 517 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 4: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 518 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: and wherever you get your podcasts.