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Speaker 1: To the Black Guy Who Tips podcast. I listened because

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Speaker 1: Rotten and Karen are hot. Hey, welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Blackouts podcast. I'm your host Rod, joined us

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Speaker 1: always by my co host Heer, and we are alive

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Speaker 1: on a Sunday after taking a week off of rest

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Speaker 1: for a week and now we have a very busy

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Speaker 1: week with lots of guests coming up this week for

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Speaker 1: the podcast and this today we have a first time

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Speaker 1: guest on the show. Although I have been on a

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Speaker 1: couple of podcasts with her for Like for our Nerds,

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Speaker 1: I watched her on Twitch. She has a podcast I've

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Speaker 1: listened to. You may know her as the Blurd Girl.

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Speaker 1: It's Karam, a cultural journalist and professional geek and Twitch

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Speaker 1: affiliate and a whole bunch of other things writing freelance writer,

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of stuff. Hi, Cara, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? What's up? Everybody? Thank you for your patience

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Speaker 2: while I.

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Speaker 3: Sorted out my camera and my and the crowdcast issues.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm trying to be like y'all when I

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Speaker 3: grow up Spotify and spots of ships, roll out of

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Speaker 3: bed and just be fabulous, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, trying trying do what we do over here, No,

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Speaker 1: trying to just still sharp and still and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: What is so what is the impetus of the blur girl,

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Speaker 1: like as a like, when did you decide to take

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting whenever I'm asked this question, because it's sort.

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Speaker 3: Of like it didn't It wasn't like I had this

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Speaker 3: well now fourth Wiss referred to me.

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Speaker 2: That's not how it went at all. It's really weird.

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Speaker 3: I feel like two thousand and six thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: I had this idea of starting a geek site, and

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Speaker 3: I already had another website I was running, and I

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Speaker 3: I come from post production. I spent about sixteen years

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Speaker 3: started the tumblr I would say twenty ten, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 3: but it had a different name. It was called dirty Girl,

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Speaker 3: and I thought dirty meant goofy and clumsy.

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Speaker 2: Because that's me.

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Speaker 3: And then somebody had to let me know that four

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Speaker 4: Needn't have no fun.

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Speaker 3: No, so I it's really funny. I changed the name

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Speaker 2: But what was funny about that is I changed the

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Speaker 3: I wrote a piece that kind of put me on

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Speaker 3: the map, and that was twenty five reasons You're not

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Speaker 2: The Blur Girl. But then the post blew up on

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Speaker 3: Oh no, and I was like all right, So I

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Speaker 2: So the blur Girl was built right after that.

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Speaker 3: But it was literally my uh. It was a geeky

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Speaker 3: At the time, a lot of people Again, this is

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Speaker 3: And so I used to do was highlight black characters

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Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen was definitely like this is when I'm doing

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Speaker 3: It was just it was just Sci Fi Blast, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I was gonna ask you. Next was like,

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Speaker 2: So I went to Xbox, I went to the Black Comic.

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Speaker 3: Going to go through it, but like you've got Emmy's

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00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 3: and credits and and what did it for me is

441
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 3: Simone Misic, the woman who you know she played this

442
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 3: night and she used to be a neighbor. And I

443
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: got a chance to interview her during.

444
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: The Blue Cage.

445
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 3: And that was the day that NBC gave me inside

446
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 3: because we recording inside the studio, NBC gave me a

447
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: makeup person. Her makeup artist was like, okay, no stop, listen.

448
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what the union rules are, but can

449
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: I help No.

450
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: They were like oh no, no, no no. And I just

451
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: told her like, if you want to meet me in

452
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: the bathroom, you can help.

453
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 3: So she helped me out, and it turns out she's

454
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: also my neighbor Keys, So I go to Keys is

455
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 3: who I will go to at five thirty in the morning,

456
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 3: Like she's like, I gotta put the I gotta get.

457
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: The kids to school.

458
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, get them fed and I'll come

459
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: over and you can at least do my eyes and

460
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: I'll bounce like that's how I would have to do it,

461
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm packing for a convention and I

462
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 3: have to think, Okay, last day, my hair needs to

463
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: look like this, which means I can't get a cut.

464
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: I can't twist it until this day.

465
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: Like it's a process, yeah, and you have to do it, unfortunately,

466
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: because if it's if you're always the one complaining, you

467
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: won't get called back, right, you won't get the work.

468
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: And so now I think that I know the last

469
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: time I did a large SCI five that they did

470
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: have a makeup artist there for me, and I was

471
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: told that she was going to work with a lot

472
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: of other people too.

473
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: And I was like awesome.

474
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: And I did speak to somebody else who was doing

475
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: work with them, who's like, yeah, they gave me any everything,

476
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: and I was like, you're welcome.

477
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

478
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: How did you get into editing, like in the first place, Like,

479
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: is that something to school? Yeah?

480
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: I went to school for It's really funny. I did

481
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 2: not like editing when I was in school. I went

482
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: to Northwestern in Chicago. I went to school for.

483
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: TV and film production. Actually, it's funny, that's what my

484
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: degree is in. And when I graduated, I've really wanted to.

485
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Direct but I also really wanted to eat mm hmmm.

486
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: So I decided, let me work on something in the film.

487
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: Industry that's kind of for session proof, and that's editing.

488
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: So even if they don't have money to shoot something new,

489
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: they have money to edit something, whether.

490
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Especially in TV. And so I was like, okay, I

491
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: can do that, And so I got into editing, and

492
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: I got into.

493
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 3: Editing commercials because there's a lot of money in there

494
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: where a film might take a really really long time,

495
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: like two, three, four years, and people will get paid,

496
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: you know, forty hour weeks for it whatever.

497
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: Commercials.

498
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: This is also when commercials, especially like Super Bowl commercials

499
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: and stuff could get you know, there were a million

500
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: dollars and two and three million dollar commercials. I've had

501
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people ask me like why, you know,

502
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: did you ever do any music videos.

503
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, on the side, but there's no money in it, right,

504
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: especially black folks. Black black videos.

505
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 3: Were notorious for not paying their teams and paying white

506
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: even the black artists with pay white directors and white editors.

507
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: More.

508
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: I've actually been in situations and edit facilities where music

509
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: videos are being edited, and I've had artists ask me like, yo,

510
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: why aren't you doing this? I'm like, why are you

511
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: in there with white boy?

512
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, it reminds me of the warmth of other

513
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: sons the book by Isabelle Wilkerson where she talks, Uh,

514
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: there's a doctor who goes out from the South and

515
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: he goes to California because he's like, you know, obviously

516
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: the right sism in the South is terrible, and he

517
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: decided that love him strikeout to the West because you know,

518
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: it was just promised of a better place and black

519
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: people could live wherever they wanted to live, you know,

520
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff. You know, there's you know,

521
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: the streets of phil with cheese in America whatever. And

522
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: so he goes to California and he's like, well, now

523
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: I can start treating these patients. But because there wasn't

524
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: all these jump pro laws, the black people out there

525
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: could pick any doctor they wanted, and they wouldn't pick

526
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: a black doctor because.

527
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: White supremacy is productive.

528
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: It's the same concept when you know the old school

529
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: thing with lawyers, you know, the public defender shows up

530
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: and they're black, and and the black man who was

531
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: the defender's like, no, somebody white, right, And it's Unfortunately.

532
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: That's a situation.

533
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: I mean, I the guy who Greg Anderson, who is

534
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: the He works for FX and I'm sorry, he works

535
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: for not FX and TV station, I mean TV Network

536
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: but facts. They do a lot of science fiction and

537
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 3: shows and things like that. He did all the effects

538
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: on Luke Cage. I years ago did an OUTI commercial

539
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: with him, and the producer from the agency was also black,

540
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: And we were in the lobby life, what are we

541
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: going to do.

542
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: Because we can't go in there and let them see

543
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: three black people. Wow, he'll pull this job.

544
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

545
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: And they were like, So I said, I'm the editor.

546
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 3: I have to be there because this is the color

547
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: correction session. So I've got to start it because I

548
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: have all the technical stuff. And this is when color

549
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: correct was separate from editing, and which it still is

550
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: in professional settings. A colorists and an editor are never

551
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: did the same person when you're looking at a movie

552
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 3: or high end productions.

553
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: They are when you're doing your own stuff. And so

554
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: we were.

555
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: Like, all right, and when I say pull the job,

556
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: no one would out like outright.

557
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: Say, oh, three black people, we won't work with them.

558
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 2: Ye just be excuses.

559
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it's like, well we think the

560
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: rest of the revision should be done over here.

561
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: Well, we think so and so might be better equipped

562
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: to handle. That's the kind of language we would get.

563
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: So and the producer from the agency was like, all right,

564
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: you start the session.

565
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: I'll come in. Would you go to the bathroom?

566
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: Greg and the rest of the white team would go

567
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: in to see how stuff was doing. And then so

568
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: they were visually never going to see a room full

569
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: of black people. Wow.

570
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 4: And that's how we.

571
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: Used to have to run in advertising. And He'll tell you.

572
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Greg was like, and to this day he has done.

573
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: He has been the lead graphic designer on uh Luke

574
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Cage the entire series, part of The Defenders, He's done

575
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: Spider Man movies.

576
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: He's done.

577
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably the highest ranking black man in

578
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: special effects in Hollywood. He still goes into most facilities

579
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: and they ask him to get him coffee.

580
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: I guess it's the same thing happens.

581
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I'm not saying it's right. I'm

582
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: saying you have to to choose your battles. If I'm

583
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: there to get a paycheck and I'm never gonna see

584
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: this person again, I'd be like, no, and.

585
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: I go about my business.

586
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: I don't have If I'm gonna see you every day

587
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: and then I gotta work with you, yeah, then I'm

588
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: gonna have to sit down and have a conversation.

589
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I have. I've had to. We have

590
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: each behind the scenes, have to talk each other down.

591
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: I think I just grab a random like white bus

592
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: boy and be like, listen, come in here and stand

593
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: next to me. It's the only way they're going to listen.

594
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: So I know you're doing your shift to Starbucks, and

595
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: that's cool. Take off the take off the badge for

596
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: one second. Coming this wrong.

597
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: I've done that.

598
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: So I've also had conversations where I've been like, listen,

599
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: I've had to close the door on a couple of

600
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: my clients say listen, I know the only people that

601
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: look like me that work with you.

602
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: Take care of your children or your car, right.

603
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: But for the next six hours, I'm all you got

604
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: if you want to catch the Haystins on the Hudson

605
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: to get to your kids recital, right, so figure it out.

606
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: If you don't want to work with me, that's fine.

607
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: I will send all this footage over and someone else

608
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: can start over. This entire job and you tell your

609
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: boss why it's not done.

610
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: So how is like, how have you seen changes in

611
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: the last year or so? Then? Because I feel like

612
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: we had the as white people put it, racial reckoning

613
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: as white people.

614
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, wait, I need you to understand something.

615
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: I'm out.

616
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: I left advertising and editing because I was not doing

617
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 3: that anywhere.

618
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I don't.

619
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: Blame you, baby, I can't tell you.

620
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: I also, I'm also a strokes forever. So there's a

621
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: whole other story in there. Around uh twenty thirteen, I

622
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: had a stroke and from the job or if no,

623
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't stress stress of my life like it was.

624
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: I was my father. Uh, Strokes runs in my family.

625
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: My father.

626
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I've been taking care of him for over a year

627
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: with my mom. He passed away.

628
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: I was going through a divorce, I almost lost my house,

629
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: I was working out of town. Your name it happened,

630
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: and black woman like, I'm busy. I'm going to the

631
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: doctor when I can. And it turned out that I

632
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: had I have a type of I was misdiagnosed. I

633
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: have been a kneemack most of my life, but I

634
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: have It's not an emy. It turns out I had

635
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: alphatite two thallacinia, which is not something that you're normally

636
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: gonna see in an African American woman. And I'm saying

637
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: that with quotes because my mother's not from this country. Okay,

638
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: So my mother's from Bermuda and her father was a

639
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: merchant seaman, which means you know. And so they were like, well,

640
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: we've only seen this type of tholla semia in women

641
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: from the uh women from the South Pacific. We don't

642
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: understand how this could have happened. And I'm like, I

643
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: do slavery, hello, but nobody. We don't get bone scans.

644
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Black people don't. So I do say this on a

645
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: regular basis. I'm much better now, but I say this

646
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: on a regular basis. If you are ill and no

647
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: one can figure out what's wrong with you, no doctor

648
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 3: see hematologists because the hematology is the study of your

649
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: blood and it's oh, they're the only doctors that have

650
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: to look at your whole body because your blood runs.

651
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Through your whole body.

652
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Had two he metologists saved my life.

653
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: They were like, everything that they're giving you is wrong,

654
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: which is why you keep stroking.

655
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: Out because I have multiple strokes.

656
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: So when did you get out of that industry. Then

657
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: the advertising industry done that year that yeah, okay.

658
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: And when I say when I say industry, and I

659
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: will say this, I still have a couple of clients

660
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: that occasionally, if they call up, I will do some independent.

661
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Work for them.

662
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: But twenty eighteen, I will say I made the decision

663
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: after everything blew up, and then all of a sudden

664
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: I was being invited to things like that.

665
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Like, okay, I'm going to make this shift.

666
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: So twenty eighteen was the twenty seventeen was the last

667
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: year that I worked both editing jobs.

668
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: As well as.

669
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: Like producing and actually doing stuff as the Blur Girl.

670
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: And then I shifted fully to what I do now,

671
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: which is hosting and writing and things like that. In

672
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, there's a little overlap in there. And then

673
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen was a great year for me. I got

674
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: to travel around the world. I got to cover different events.

675
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: I got to go to New Zealand to do a

676
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: upfront with for Alita Battle Angel with Robert Rodriguez Ada.

677
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, maybe I'm a late bloomer. I

678
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: got it. You know, I want to get all this.

679
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: You know, this is my second career, and then twenty

680
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: twenty happened and I had.

681
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: In February of last year, I had ten different.

682
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: Appearances lined up for the six months, whether or not

683
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: it was convention or school or whatever, and pof.

684
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have the pandemic change a lot

685
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: of stuff for people. And then like, I think it's

686
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: interesting because like, as a content creator, black content creator

687
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it's such a weird feeling because like

688
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: on the way and you did, like we had a

689
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: live show we were doing that we had to we

690
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: basically like, well, we won't be We'll we be going virtual.

691
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: The whole festival is virtual. And it was cool, you know,

692
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: like we are kind of prepared for virtual stuff because

693
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: we've been doing virtually anyway.

694
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: And she's like, listen, I love it. Yeah here right,

695
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: you look so comforted by the way. I'm like, who

696
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: I want that?

697
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I am my mama always cold.

698
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: I think for me, one thing is like I hate

699
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: the pandemic happened, But then again, I like it the

700
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: pandemic happened because it calls people to be tech savvy

701
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 5: because it's so not your funny. It was so fucking

702
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: frustrating to deal with people you like, just click on

703
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 5: the link, click, click on the link.

704
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: Yes, just click on the link. And they'd be like,

705
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 4: but they come on, can you hear me?

706
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: Is it working?

707
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: You be like, oh lord.

708
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: And so now with everybody forced to use zoom and

709
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: forced to use this other stuff, it's made it a

710
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 5: smoother process because everybody has kind of got used to

711
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 5: the process because they've had.

712
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: To, and you can get like big guests that before

713
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: it is like if yes, like you don't live in

714
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, New York and California, then you're not

715
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna be able to have this person on your show

716
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: because they need they are more comfortable coming into your

717
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: studio stuff. And now it's like you're you know, I

718
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: love watching my friends and stuff where they're like, yeah,

719
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: we just had the cast from a Loki on our

720
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: podcast and I'm like what, Oh my god. They're like, yeah,

721
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: we did it via zoom. Here's the video and stuff.

722
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's so dope, because for years it

723
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: was just like I'm gonna send an email to Tom

724
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Hills and he's not gonna that's never coming back.

725
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right. And also the other thing is.

726
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: This is sort of answering a question you asked a

727
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: couple of minutes ago.

728
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: Rod.

729
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: Last year, I told everybody get ready because black people

730
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: are about to be very, very popular. I saw this

731
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 3: happen in twenty eighteen. I've seen it happen. It happens

732
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: in cycles. These doors are not going to stay open, though,

733
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: so get in, get yourself situated, and put something in

734
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: the door so that somebody else can come into.

735
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 2: So I tell people all the time, like I listen, had.

736
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: I known the revolution was going to take a spreadsheet,

737
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: I have had so many spreadsheets of people.

738
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: And I mean, and y'all have even been on those lists.

739
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: I will fully mean I have put the black guy

740
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: who tips on those lists.

741
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: What are black podcasts?

742
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Y'all have been on there for All nerds have been

743
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: on there, you know. And because a rising tide raises

744
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: all boats. A lot of the stuff that I do

745
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: because the two things that I said to myself when

746
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: I was flat on my back recover from this stupid stroke.

747
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: By the way, it shut down the left side of

748
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: my body. So I had to go to rehab and everything,

749
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: and I said, if I get out of here, I

750
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: want to do something I like and I want to do.

751
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: I want to help people, and that's when I really

752
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: focused on, Okay, the blur Girl is going to be

753
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: more of a thing.

754
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how. And then everything started to fall

755
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: into place after that. And one of the things I do.

756
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: I have my company is called Highland Creative, and I'm

757
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: so happy I had an account in years ago say

758
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: this to me.

759
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: He's like, don't make your brand so specific.

760
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: Because then you won't be able to change your mind.

761
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Then you got to start a new corporation. So it's

762
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: just a immedia company. So I do whatever I want

763
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: under it.

764
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of.

765
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: The things I do a lot is help coach people

766
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and that also helped to save me

767
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: last year. I do Kickstarter coaching. I do like social

768
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: media marketing and stuff like that. And it's not me

769
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: doing it for you. It's me showing you how to

770
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: use the stuff that you have to do with for yourself.

771
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: And You've been surprised how many people say they want

772
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: the last but really want the former. You're just and

773
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, this isn't a Blurgirl project, right project.

774
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: Trust me. If this is a blur Girl project, it

775
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: would look much better. I need you, I need you

776
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: to help yourself.

777
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: Right so you can get better at it.

778
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: That's the whole purpose. I had to charge you different.

779
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: You know.

780
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Want that.

781
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: So a lot of people were what's happened last year

782
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: is there was a lot of people were like, well,

783
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 3: you know, I'm looking for an editor, I'm looking for people,

784
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a writer.

785
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: And people weren't ready. They didn't have a.

786
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: Debt, they didn't have samples of their work, they didn't

787
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: have one place that people could find it, they didn't

788
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: have reels. And so these are the conversations I was

789
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: having with people because I'm like, they're looking and the

790
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: excuse is going to be well.

791
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I asked, yeah, yeah.

792
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Nobody submitted anything that was good enough.

793
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: And that's what we're hearing a lot of now. But

794
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: those doors are still open and there. I think we're

795
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: going to see the fruits of a lot of the

796
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: labor from last year happened in these spaces over the

797
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: next couple of years. But I guarantee you the virtual

798
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: stuff isn't going.

799
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: And it's also that thing that this is a totally

800
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: a sports analogy, not a nerd analogy. But oh sportsball. Yeah,

801
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: sorry about this, but it's this thing where like white

802
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: people come in and then they just kind of codify

803
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: things in a white way that freezes people out. So

804
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: in basketball, what happened is you have all these people,

805
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: these black like the NBA, it's all black people. It's

806
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: like ninety black people. They do all this, They play

807
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: the game, they learn the game from all these people.

808
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: They do everything from the time they're like five. But

809
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: then when it comes time to hire somebody to like

810
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: run a team, right, the person that decides like who

811
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: will be who's gonna be on the team, how much

812
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: do we pay somebody that then all of a sudden,

813
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: they were like, well we need analytics guys, okay, And

814
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: so the analytics guys just happen to be white dudes

815
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: who've never done anything in basketball. It's just we've come

816
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: up with the spreadsheet or whatever. And then it was

817
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: used as an excuse to be like, we don't need

818
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: to hire these black people. They don't understand quote unquote analytics,

819
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: which is a thing that we just decided was a

820
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: thing when black people started saying why aren't there any

821
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: black head coaches? And I do feel like every every

822
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: industry has some version of that, and they do. You

823
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of have to like either adjust to it because

824
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: the idea of them just going oh my bad is

825
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: very low. They are you're gonna have to adjust to Like, well,

826
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: now they're doing analytics, another hoop I have to go

827
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: through because it's not that we can't do it or

828
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: don't know how or can't learn how to do it,

829
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: but a lot of times they're not teaching us to

830
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: do it or they're just jumping to this next thing.

831
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: With podcasting, it's you know, we're using this type of

832
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: metric now you know, it's like, well, that's not the

833
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: metrics that came in the game with when did this

834
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: come up? Well, this is our own like you know

835
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: in the house.

836
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: That's a sports thing, right, yes, absolutely well, and I say,

837
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: you see the same thing ain't gaming The fact that

838
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: you know they had a hard time finding pro MBA two.

839
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: K players right right because the same people who are

840
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: doing the analytics.

841
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: So I get a lot of questions like do you

842
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: know any black people or do you know any you

843
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: know bipop who And it's alarious, like the specific stuff

844
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: I get and I'm like, how did you have any

845
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: This isn't just you don't have any black employees, you

846
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: don't even have any black friends, right right, This is wrong.

847
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: Everything written here is wrong, right, and.

848
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: God, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, baby.

849
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: And it kills me with with that because it's one

850
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: of those things where white people have a blind spot

851
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 5: to that. Like white people can literally live their lives

852
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 5: and not interact with anybody with nobody of color in

853
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 5: certain situations if they choose not to that, they can

854
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: go every day, live their life and not see a

855
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 5: black dot anywhere, and they think that shit is normal.

856
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: Everybody else has to function around white people, so we

857
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: have to adjust. And so when you come to me

858
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: and ask me that question, that means you don't take

859
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 5: the effort.

860
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: That means you don't want to learn.

861
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: That means you're not looking.

862
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: And so when people come out and say they can't

863
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: find any people the color for whatever it is you do,

864
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 5: and believe you me, it's some.

865
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: Black person doing it.

866
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: I don't care how nerdy it is, I o'kay, how

867
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: off the wall it is. I don't care if you

868
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: say this space ain't nothing but black but white people

869
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: in here. Trust it's some black guy in there that's flourishing.

870
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 5: Because that's their shit. So it's like when you tell

871
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 5: me that, it's because you're not actually going to the

872
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: places where we are.

873
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: Well, you need intentionality, you know what I'm saying when

874
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: it comes to stuff like that. So like you, you

875
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: may have to spend money to look for those people, right,

876
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: like the other white people may be in your your area.

877
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Your generals are comfortence of just my existence as a

878
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: white person. You may be like, oh, I know Todd,

879
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: but you don't know Mark or whatever, so you need

880
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: to like go find somebody who knows Mark to get

881
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: your mind know.

882
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: Or you might know Todd, but Todd doesn't know any

883
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: black people themselves, exactly code switching.

884
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, you don't know, so I

885
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: like you think you do.

886
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: And also I don't get mad anymore though, because and

887
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: again and again this is an age thing because I've

888
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: actually been accused of this. It's like, why did you

889
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: speak up or why didn't you say anything when they

890
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: said this? And I'm like, Okay, I don't think people understand.

891
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: I go into spaces expecting, especially when their mainstream space

892
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: is expected, especially when they are white, predominantly white spaces.

893
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: I do not expect them to see me. I do

894
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: not expect them to think very highly of me.

895
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: That's not why I'm there. So people like, you know,

896
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: aren't you they ignored you, Yes, they do that. That's

897
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: why I'm here. Y'all want some snacks because they got

898
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: a really good cart.

899
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: Like the whole reason why, the whole reason why I

900
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: literally have been able to be so successful is not

901
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: because I'm some amazingly brilliant person.

902
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: I would like to think that I am, but if

903
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: you talk to my brothers, I'm not.

904
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: But it's simply because I'm there. And just like black

905
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: ladies that show I am that system that is undercover

906
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: that nobody ever sees. I have literally been on bread

907
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: conference with people having full conversations and we'll see them

908
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: the next day at an event.

909
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: They go, oh my god, it's so nice to meet you, and.

910
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, yeah, we can do this again. Yeah whatever. Also,

911
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: like no one wants to like fight that you pick

912
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: your battles because no one's got the entire to do

913
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: that twenty four seven. Like sometimes with Twitter it makes

914
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: me laugh because it's like me and my friend Bossy,

915
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: will we play a game called did that actually Happen?

916
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Like what we do is sometimes somebody will have a

917
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: scenario on Twitter where they're like, I, you know, and

918
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: it's always like, you know, I went the Whole Foods

919
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: and I was waiting in line and someone skipped me

920
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: in line, and I said, I will buy all of

921
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: your groceries because I will buy this Whole Foods because

922
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: I no one does this to a black person. And

923
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: I walked out of there and I show them and

924
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: we're like, you think that happened, because it's like sometimes

925
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: it feels like people are writing black fan fics and

926
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: they're like every scenario I stepped up, and it's like

927
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: I've been black twenty four to seven as well. I've

928
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: been at work some days. You're just like that was racist,

929
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: and they're just gonna have to eat that one because

930
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start the revolution at nine thirty.

931
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Bad.

932
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: I will fully admit that I'm bad at this because

933
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: people will say to me, like, yo, you know, you

934
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: should speak up more in certain situations. I'm just saying

935
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: I let people walk all over me. Yeah, but I

936
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: will let me explain something. My my father died in August.

937
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: As in August yeh twenty thirteen. You passed in the

938
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: week before Christmas.

939
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: I had apparently a series of strokes, thought it was

940
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: just one. I was in the hospital by myself over

941
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: the holidays because we sent my mother back to permuter

942
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: so she could mourn my father in peace, and I

943
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: have to deal with all the crazy. We didn't tell

944
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: her that I was sick because we didn't want to

945
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: tell my mother that I.

946
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Had the same stroke that that just killed her husband.

947
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: My brothers helped take care of me, and then by

948
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: the but I was already going through the divorce and

949
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: my ex was still sort.

950
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: Of siphoning money off of me.

951
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: And by the time I came back to my house,

952
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: while I was in rehab learning how to walking and

953
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: using my hand again, I had a pipe burst in

954
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: my house and all the sostile house.

955
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: Trying to put that all back together.

956
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: Between mold remediation and building up the whole back end

957
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: of my house again and getting back on my.

958
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: Feet after that is.

959
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: When I was able to do a lot of the

960
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: stuff that you've seen me do, rock, red carpets and

961
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So, yeah, somebody says something crazy to me.

962
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: I just look at my hand. I'm like, oh right,

963
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: I could use this.

964
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine.

965
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm having a good day on a scale of one

966
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: to not being able to move. How bad is this?

967
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: So in my mind, for me, my battles are a

968
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: little bit different because I have perspective, and my perspective

969
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: is now I'm also school.

970
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fight with you.

971
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: On Twitter, right, Yeah, absolutely, Like when.

972
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: I see you, I want to be like, what's what

973
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: seems to be.

974
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: The problem and that people are not used to because

975
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of keyboard Yes, tell you how many

976
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: people have rolled up on.

977
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: And conventions and the attitude is different. They did they

978
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: blink like a deer in headlight. Listen, I've I've seen

979
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: it in person. I've been like and I've been like, oh,

980
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: what's you don't have that same inage?

981
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: You don't get the preaching on this Sunday Okay.

982
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: No.

983
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: And also it's a lot now this is something that

984
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 3: we learned last year. There's a lot of bots out

985
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: there that are not humans, that are just made to

986
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: just get more numbers and things like that. And the

987
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: number one thing that people do on the Internet to

988
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: get more cloud is fight with black women.

989
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And we've and.

990
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: So many of us fall for it. I'm like, honey,

991
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: that's not even a human. Stop listen, go hydrate.

992
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: His name is Jeremy nine five two to eight eight

993
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: seven two four and he just started his account the

994
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one yesterday. How are you arguing with this man?

995
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: And followed by no one you follow? Why are you

996
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: giving this troll this much attention? Because a lot of

997
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: them don't care what the interaction is even about, Like

998
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: I really, they're just like, what is this topic on Twitter?

999
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: Who's talking about it? And then how do I get

1000
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: interaction out of them? And people do give it away freely.

1001
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: And I do think what you've talked about when you

1002
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: say you look at your left arm is kind of

1003
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: like a gratefulness practice, right, Like, yeah, you're going, hey, look,

1004
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: let me see what's important. This is important. My ego

1005
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: in this situation may not be that important, or this

1006
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: moment may pass, and I can be fine with that.

1007
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: I think. Also, if you live what we all do,

1008
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: if you live with like an anger inside of you, yes,

1009
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: it kind of is looking for something to hit every day,

1010
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1011
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: And I tell people that a lot. That's the thing. Look,

1012
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm a scorpio that just fits. I don't wear it

1013
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: every day, right, people all the time. You get that's

1014
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: a guest house. You don't stay at the guest house. Right,

1015
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: visit the guest.

1016
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: House, you pack an overnight bag, you pack a weekend bag,

1017
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: and then you spend a little time at crazy.

1018
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: You don't stay there. That's not happy. But yeah, so

1019
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: I was up people like and I think that's the

1020
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: other problem. I will again, I.

1021
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: Am not condoning anybody walking over you. I'm not condoning

1022
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: people saying whatever to you. If that's aassic situation, if

1023
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: you were in a situation.

1024
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: Where you feel like you're fighting alone.

1025
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: You have to get to safety and get out or

1026
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: get to people who can support you, if you must

1027
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: keep going into that every day. I was lucky enough

1028
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: to get out, and I also now know what I

1029
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: can take.

1030
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: So there have been times like last year. It's so

1031
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: funny because my boyfriend was like, things are getting this

1032
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: is getting tough, and I was like, yep, we got all.

1033
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: This stuff is washed up. Your stuff is washed up.

1034
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: We are sort of living on borro time right now,

1035
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: while they got.

1036
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Mortgages on hold and things on hold.

1037
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: But you know what, I have been completely broke and

1038
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: put this house back together by myself.

1039
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: We can do this, and it wasn't a pandemic, right,

1040
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: we can do this. But I've seen this before. And

1041
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: that's the thing. When you see the end of something,

1042
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't scare you anymore.

1043
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: Right when you've been through it, You're like, you know what, Okay,

1044
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: I got something for that.

1045
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: I've been. I've been.

1046
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: I will tap into that muscle. I've used it in

1047
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: a minute, but I can use it. So my goal

1048
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: again was to do something fun and to try and

1049
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: help people.

1050
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: And I'm very blessed to be able to do it.

1051
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: Am I a gazillionaire? No? But I'm having fun.

1052
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I can and I can eat and I can.

1053
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Pay my bills exactly. I think I was thinking about

1054
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: this the other day, Like I remember when they talked

1055
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: about Black Monday, the when Wall Street crashed and there

1056
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: were there were people jumping out of their like office

1057
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: like it's over, and I was like thinking, uh, why

1058
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: was I thinking this? I think I was actually listening

1059
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: to your interview with Malcolm Barrett, and then it was

1060
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: it made me think of yeah, it's so dope. It

1061
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: made me think of how poor and I'm reading this

1062
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: book called Poorly Understood about Poverty in America, So like

1063
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: it's amazing, how like black people's middle classes like white

1064
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: people's poor. So like those people living with those artificial numbers,

1065
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: like we're like life is over.

1066
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: Fuck it.

1067
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: The numbers say it's bad. I'm out of here. And

1068
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: it was like I was like, I don't I can't

1069
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: imagine being that way as a black person because I

1070
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: literally be like, but I've eaten fucking government blogne I'm

1071
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: going back. I guess we're going back to the projects

1072
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: for a bit. That's okay. I've been there before and

1073
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: I got now sounds We'll be all right. Yeah, Like

1074
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: this one Bok was like I have to give up

1075
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 1: my Masarati. I'm jumping out the window. It's like, dude,

1076
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: that's there's so much below with Marsarati that is livable.

1077
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is.

1078
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: There is not only so much below that, it's just

1079
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: what it also revealed to me was how many.

1080
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Of them were living paycheck to paycheck.

1081
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: Yes, that were about to be.

1082
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: Hit with millions of dollars in debt that they really

1083
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: couldn't recover from. And it's just it's I I definitely

1084
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: think that black black folks as a whole. We need

1085
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: to get therapy. Somebody in the jets to counseling.

1086
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: And yes, absolutely, we.

1087
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: All need counseling.

1088
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: We all need therapy because one of the things that

1089
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: used to bother me so much is that, like I

1090
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: would work with white folks who like, I'm sorry, I

1091
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: have to go to my therapist.

1092
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: That's a standing appointment, and they would make sure that

1093
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: they went. And here I am working extra hours just to.

1094
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: Make sure that I you know, everybody knows that I'm

1095
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: not gonna get fired, and I'm helpful. But all it

1096
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: means is they're gonna give me more stuff to do,

1097
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: so we don't.

1098
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: We don't. If I'm gonna have to work extra hours,

1099
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: I'd rather do it for me.

1100
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna say up till to o'clock in the morning,

1101
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: I rather do it for me. I'd rather do it

1102
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: because okay, y Tottarney help.

1103
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: All right, what are you gonna do? You know what

1104
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: I mean?

1105
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: Like, I'd rather it be for some somebody in my community.

1106
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: Then somebody that I know is not going to appreciate it.

1107
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: And I say, we don't have problems in our community, right,

1108
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that you pick and choose your battles,

1109
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: but you can only be as strong as you mentally.

1110
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: You know.

1111
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say when people talk about like because

1112
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I have an all the time, people like, right, you're

1113
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: so lucky you get to do this show for a time, Like,

1114
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: I know what that means in your mind, which is

1115
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: that you think I hop on here for an hour

1116
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: and then the show magically pops up, which is fine,

1117
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: Which is fine? You know, to me, that means I'm

1118
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: doing a good job. Is it? If you really think

1119
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: that it looks that easy, then I must be doing

1120
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: amazing a.

1121
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he's doing great, because like I'm here all

1122
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: the time.

1123
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 5: So what they don't see is him responding to technical

1124
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 5: questions about I can't get in my account at three

1125
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 5: and four am in the morning.

1126
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: That's what they don't see.

1127
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: What they don't see is sometimes when we watch Field

1128
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 5: of Walking Dead and were recording at three am and

1129
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: then I go to sleep, but he got to keep

1130
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 5: chopping up the show. That's what they don't see. You

1131
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, right right, And this is why

1132
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 5: this is why I work alone.

1133
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: A lot of people are like, oh, he.

1134
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 3: Just collaborated I'm gonna have the time. I literally, over

1135
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: this past year really realized that. Okay, I don't. I

1136
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: didn't believe until it started my Patreon and I got

1137
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people supporting me, and somebody was Brian

1138
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: Tongue said this to me. He said, camera, I don't

1139
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: think you realize that there are people out there that

1140
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: just want to see you win.

1141
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, mm hmmm, because.

1142
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: I was so used to struggle, so and like, y'all

1143
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: when you got this show, you know what I mean, Like,

1144
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: there are people that are there to just support you.

1145
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: And then I started building out my team and I

1146
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: was like, okay, but I need to get a small

1147
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: business owns so I can pay everybody or whatever. And

1148
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 3: I got people that were like, no, we know you're building,

1149
00:52:59,280 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: We just want to help.

1150
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, right, yeah, I just.

1151
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 3: Wasn't because I'm so used to if people wanted something

1152
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: in return that I was very wary, very wary of people.

1153
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: You know, I work very hard, and just like you two,

1154
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: I worked very long hours.

1155
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: So somebody says they want to help.

1156
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many people have said they

1157
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: wanted to help, and then they're like, oh.

1158
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: I ain't know. It was all I didn't know that

1159
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: you were gonna you meant today today?

1160
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: Right, yes?

1161
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, like yeah yeah. They look at you like I

1162
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 4: gotta do it again. You're like, yeah, yeah.

1163
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: I'd suffer from thinking I'm not busy until you try

1164
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: to schedule something with me, like that's my thing. Is

1165
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: like being like, noah, man, I ain't doing nothing, man,

1166
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: just sit around. And then they'd be like, so, maybe

1167
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: do lunch on Thursday. I'm like, oh Thursday, no man,

1168
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: I got I got some love to do well on Friday.

1169
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, Fridays and were doing the show. Then we

1170
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: got on Saturday. See Saturday, I'm gonna be on song

1171
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: and so and then at the while and I was like,

1172
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: I'm fucking working all the time. Yes, we are.

1173
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 3: One of the things I did, y'all talk to Aquah

1174
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: with my assistance.

1175
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: She's amazing. Shout out to Aqua Drinkes. But she's one

1176
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: of the newest members of my team.

1177
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: And she and a couple of people they know that

1178
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: I'm not good with time. They're like, you don't have

1179
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: as much time as you think you do because you're

1180
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: not sleeping. We're trying to get you to sleep, so

1181
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: you can't You've got we're gonna I'm saying no, you.

1182
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: Can't do this, right, Yeah, you need that.

1183
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things.

1184
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: It's nice to be able to bound something off of

1185
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: somebody who actually does have your best interested heart.

1186
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I would, even if it's a friend,

1187
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Even if you can't.

1188
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: Hire an assistant or anything like that. If you're building

1189
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: whatever you're building. The biggest thing, the biggest learning thing

1190
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: for me, and this I learned years ago as an

1191
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: editor is processes. Make sure you have all your processes

1192
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: written out for how you do things, and as you

1193
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: change them, you edit them and you make adjustments because

1194
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: in writing them out you'll see the glitches and the

1195
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: holes are and that document can be what you can

1196
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 3: give somebody when they say, oh, I want to help,

1197
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: and it's.

1198
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: Like do you take a look at this?

1199
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go home.

1200
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: This is everything I do and I need you to

1201
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: do the second half of the spage, can you do that?

1202
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: Yes?

1203
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: And also, like a no to someone else, a lot

1204
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: of times yes to yourself.

1205
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 5: Man.

1206
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us have been trained to

1207
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: be like no, it's like a rejection of someone, or

1208
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's only a bad thing. You someone

1209
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: wants something from you and then you said no. But

1210
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I might have said yes to that. Now,

1211
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I may have said yes to you know, my PTO.

1212
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: I might have said yes to my vacation. Like you

1213
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: got to say yes to yourself sometimes because if not, man,

1214
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: you will it'll it'll really drive you till there's nothing left.

1215
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: It will good will you have a question, it will.

1216
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 5: And I think for me, over the years of doing

1217
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 5: this show, and I can tell me and Roderick, I'm

1218
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 5: not gonna say it was imposter syndrome. And Roderick have

1219
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 5: this thing where we believe that once people stop paying,

1220
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 5: and we still believe this, they want their money's worth me.

1221
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 5: And so particularly when we started charging for our content,

1222
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 5: like we literally would work. It would be periods of

1223
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: time we would be like doing something seven days a

1224
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 5: week and I still work the full time job. It

1225
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: would be days where we would do three and four

1226
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 5: shows in a single solitary day, sometimes back to back,

1227
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 5: like we would be constantly going. It would be times

1228
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 5: when we would we would work like a year or

1229
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 5: two and the only days we would take off maybe

1230
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 5: a holiday, and that's just one day so we had

1231
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 5: to get to the point where we had to balance

1232
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 5: that and actually rest because the thing is, if you're

1233
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 5: not rested, you're no good to anybody. And I think

1234
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 5: that's something that people have a tendency to forget, but

1235
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: black people.

1236
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 4: I saw a customer, Fuck it, I do it myself.

1237
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: Fuck it, I do it myself.

1238
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 5: Fuck it, I do it myself till they run their

1239
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 5: steps into the ground.

1240
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: That part, right there is the hardest part of training

1241
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: and assistance because there's gonna be two or three weeks

1242
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: in there where you're both doing it and they're doing

1243
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: it wrong and you're fixing it. But they've got to learn.

1244
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 3: So you got to give yourself that week to get

1245
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: somebody onboarded so that they get it and then you

1246
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: can let it go. And it's amazing. But the problem

1247
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 3: is we don't get through that part.

1248
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: We all know. See they messed up. No, they just

1249
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: got here. Man. You didn't have your processes together right

1250
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: to begin with.

1251
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: Now you're bringing them onto a broken system asking them

1252
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: to fix it, and now you're going to fire them

1253
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: because they didn't do it in forty It ours.

1254
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: Exactly And also, like a lot of times, that's when

1255
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: you can learn because once someone else learns your process,

1256
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: that's a lot of times where the improvement comes from

1257
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, do you know there's this new

1258
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: thing out here where you can do it this way?

1259
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: And you're like, I did not know that. Thank God.

1260
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: New person, probably young person, probably person with different experiences

1261
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: than me, can take a different view of this thing.

1262
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: And I think that that is a very helpful thing.

1263
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though about neuro culture. Right, So,

1264
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, I felt like nerd meant

1265
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: something different than it means now. Like when I was

1266
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: a kid, I felt like nerd meant social outcast, like

1267
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: like it switched like it like it was like Revenge

1268
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: of the Nerds. But if you look at the Revenge

1269
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,959
Speaker 1: of the Nerds, those weren't smart, Like this is like

1270
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: like losers.

1271
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: It's like, well now yeah, now it looks like that.

1272
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't realize that the concept of being the

1273
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: smart guy was being a loser.

1274
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: It sort of went hand in hand.

1275
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so how did you?

1276
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: How did you?

1277
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: How'd you navigate? Is what I'm trying to say, Like,

1278
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: did you were you always considered a nerd? Did was

1279
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: it always a positive affiliation and did you like and

1280
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: did you see that cultural shift over time as well?

1281
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: I grew up with white people, Like my family is black,

1282
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: but we grew up in a white neighborhood.

1283
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 2: And I was.

1284
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: The first I don't want to say I'm the first

1285
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: black person, but I was just's the first black woman

1286
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: to ever black girls to.

1287
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: Go to by elementary school.

1288
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 3: So when I say when I say I grew up

1289
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: in a white neighorhood, gro up in white neighborhood, so.

1290
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Church was black.

1291
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: I saw black people on the weekends, Like my mother's

1292
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: from an entire country for the black people.

1293
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: She was like, they don't see black people.

1294
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm confused.

1295
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: But my father had it in his head that I

1296
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: want to live in a neighborhood that's got a really

1297
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: good public school so we don't have to pay for

1298
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: private school things like that. So it took me a

1299
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: very long time to realize that I was a nerd

1300
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: because I was so busy being the only black girl.

1301
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: Or the black person.

1302
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

1303
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: So I was probably college when I realized I was

1304
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 3: a geek because I got around black people. I didn't

1305
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: even know what the hell I was talking about, Like,

1306
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't know anime and things like that.

1307
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: And my brother. Here's the other thing. My whole family

1308
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: are geeks.

1309
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: So we grew up watching Star Trek and I would

1310
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: argue with my dad about like the Babylon five reruns.

1311
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: He was like, bab Blah five is better than Star Trek.

1312
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, go out of your mind.

1313
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: Still to this day, out of your mind. But we

1314
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: had like a family account aunt you roll back. When

1315
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: nobody knew what I was saying. They thought I was

1316
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: just talking about sushi.

1317
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mother.

1318
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: My mother would watch Indian Bollywood movies and Korean soap operas,

1319
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: and I was watching anime with my brothers, and we

1320
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: would watch all kinds of Saturday Morning cartoons and like.

1321
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it was like.

1322
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how structured my viewing was until I

1323
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: got until like I think I was in I don't

1324
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: remember where I was, but I was definitely like high

1325
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: school junior has something, And somebody was asking me about

1326
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: like classic Saturday Night Live and but and Eddie Murphy

1327
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: playing like Buckweek and all these people, and I didn't

1328
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: know anything about them because I was never allowed to

1329
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: watch any of those old old shows like Little rascals

1330
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: or I wasn't allowed to watch Good Times.

1331
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't not to watch any of that.

1332
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: But if it was science, we could watch it, especially

1333
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: Star Trek because of a horror right. So I grew

1334
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: up watching geeky stuff, didn't knowing that, didn't not knowing

1335
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: that I was a geek. N til I got to college,

1336
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: people are making all these regular pop culture references, and like,

1337
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. I know back to

1338
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: the Future is, but I don't know what corn bread immediates?

1339
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: What is that? What is happening?

1340
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: So and then I fell in with the more geeky folks.

1341
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: But I was just a weird chick.

1342
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: I had my my Also, I wore my When I

1343
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: got to college, I couldn't afford to get my hair done,

1344
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: so I cut my hair off.

1345
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: So I was like, that was really funny.

1346
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: Now people probably have a different term for it, But

1347
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: when I was, when I was younger, I just you know,

1348
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: I cut off my hair because I couldn't afford it.

1349
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: So I had this really low like fade I was.

1350
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: I was wearing like bagga jeans and like combat boots everywhere.

1351
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and are there are the pictures of

1352
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: you in the I I have to see that.

1353
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: It was like completely just the weird kid. I loved

1354
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 3: house music because of Chicago, but I didn't know like

1355
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 3: if you were trying to And I also love old

1356
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: school rap, but I didn't like, like we're people trying

1357
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: to name all of the like go to the new

1358
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: concert or go to the new thing.

1359
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: I just I didn't have the money to do that, right.

1360
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: But I did have the money.

1361
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: To like watch old movies, read comics, read geeky stuff.

1362
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: And it was really funny because my brothers say they

1363
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: that I've somehow gotten revenge on them because.

1364
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: I didn't like a lot of We didn't We didn't

1365
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: live near a comic book shop. And this is the thing.

1366
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: It's so funny when people talk about, like, oh, how

1367
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: they got into comics. Most black folks that grew up

1368
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 3: in the hood or grew up in general did not

1369
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: grow up right next to you a comic book shop.

1370
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 3: We got our comics in different ways, like from relatives,

1371
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 3: or we watched animated series like I was watching Static

1372
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: Shock on TV before I read Static to comic just

1373
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: because how.

1374
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: It was access. So my brothers have the static which

1375
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: is why I got my hands on that.

1376
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: But I it was really very interesting because I, you know,

1377
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: ill my brothers are younger and their twins and they're

1378
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: both into computer science. So I was like, you know,

1379
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: you guys are geeks. We were all geeks. But because

1380
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: they were related to me and I'm the oldest and

1381
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 3: I'm the only girl, it's my job you hate them.

1382
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's just a rule.

1383
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 3: So so they laugh now because they're like, we can't

1384
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: believe you're the one getting paid for all the geeky

1385
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: stuff because you were making fun of me. And I

1386
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: was like, I have a big fun of them. But

1387
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: then I would go and grab reading or they would

1388
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: you know, I would mess with their games. They were

1389
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: known for like taking apart video games putting back together. Wow,

1390
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: this is when the kids in the chat don't know

1391
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: nothing about region free, but we.

1392
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: Remember region free certain.

1393
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: DVDs there were regions. And that's the other thing.

1394
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: Even with anime, I was watching a lot of anime

1395
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: on DVD way or like adult swim and stuff, not

1396
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: because adult swims didn't.

1397
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: Exist, it's because that was my exposure to it.

1398
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: So we were just people, you know, friends would have

1399
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: a movie or something.

1400
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just my exposure to things I was.

1401
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: I knew racism way before I knew that I was

1402
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: a geek, right, And so by the time people were like, oh,

1403
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 3: you were a nerd, I.

1404
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: Was like.

1405
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: Interesting. Is like when I was in a band and

1406
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: we were coming up and you see like a TV

1407
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: show about nerds or or a movie about nerds. They'd

1408
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: also it was so weird they'd also have a black

1409
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: person in the nerd group because they were just black,

1410
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like like it wasn't necessarily They're like, uh,

1411
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: what's what's your thing? Is like, I'm very very tiny

1412
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: and skinny, and I'm and I'm very awkward. Okay, what's

1413
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: your thing? I'm super book smart okay, And what's your thing?

1414
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm black? Like hmmm?

1415
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: Did because it was the geek, the black and the

1416
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: kid in a wheelchair?

1417
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yes, It's like, what is this message about

1418
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: blackness that you're teaching me?

1419
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

1420
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: As a kid, what is.

1421
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 4: Going on here speaking about a nerdm?

1422
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

1423
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 5: The way I grew up, I always thought of being

1424
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 5: a nerd as kind of an outcast. And the funny

1425
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 5: thing is we have a spin off show called The

1426
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 5: Nerd Off, and I remember when we first started doing

1427
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 5: that show, I would constantly complain and be like.

1428
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: I'm not a nerd, but I'm here, y'all.

1429
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 5: And because and over time I've realized that.

1430
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Nerd them and what a nerd is varies per person,

1431
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: and it's.

1432
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: Per origin story, everybody's story.

1433
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 5: Yes, And what I realized too, being a nerd does

1434
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 5: not mean you have to know everything about everything. That's

1435
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 5: why I was like, I'm not a nerd because I'm

1436
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 5: not fucking out with you all about about ship that

1437
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: I don't give a fuck about, like nos a.

1438
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: Thing everybody wants to call, like people are into comics nerds.

1439
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: But I have this argument with somebody in college ones

1440
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 3: who he was just like trying to use a zager

1441
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 3: jorm or whatever, and.

1442
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you play fantasy football? He's like yes.

1443
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, then you're playing playing game?

1444
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what the fuck?

1445
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: Fantasy football? Fantasy Baseball? Are RPGs?

1446
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Like it's so weird, you know what's interesting?

1447
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 3: One?

1448
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: One one was interesting when we started to we started

1449
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: the show, it's called the Nerd Off, right, And then

1450
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: the reason I called the nerd Off is because I

1451
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: think now more people say it. But it was like

1452
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: if you go in like an ev games game stop

1453
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: something like that, there's like always two dudes in there

1454
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: just arguing about like you know, this game versus that

1455
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: game or something, and you're just like man nerds like

1456
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: to argue, like this is a very big part of

1457
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: nerd culture for a lot of people. It's just like, yes,

1458
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: it can Superman be so and so, And you're just like,

1459
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if Goku can be Superman or not,

1460
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily interested in that, but what I am interested

1461
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 1: in is watching the next Dragon Ball Z or whatever.

1462
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: So I thought that was that was an interesting thing.

1463
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: Just like I think a lot of people were pushed

1464
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: away from the culture because they thought they see it

1465
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: as an argumentative, competitive type of culture, right, and so

1466
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not like that. It's like, well, do

1467
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: you watch Dragon Ball Z? Yes? Every episode? Yes, I

1468
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: think you see where I was going here. The other

1469
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: thing was I didn't realize the telling with the college

1470
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: how much nerd stuff brought people together because what happened

1471
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: with for me we went to an HBCU and so

1472
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: it was at the same time that Tsonami came out, right,

1473
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: and so I had already. I was like you. I

1474
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: used to watch all my stuff through DVDs. I go

1475
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: to some obscure, obscure, shady pawn shop or something and

1476
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, what is this try gun?

1477
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 5: You know?

1478
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: And so I had all these DVDs and stuff, but

1479
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't anime, wasn't readily like on TV all the time.

1480
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: But when Tunami started and they used to have the

1481
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: midnight run, yes, and I would watch it in my

1482
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: dorm room. And eventually, and eventually it got so big,

1483
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: like it started with just me and my roommate, and

1484
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: then eventually it would be like me and my roommate

1485
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: and a couple guys down the hall, me and my roommate,

1486
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: and then it was like me and my roommate, the

1487
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: football team, the basketball team. It was like everyone's sitting

1488
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: in his fucking dorm room, huddled around the bed, like

1489
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: going crazy, like watching Goku fight Vegeta and shit. And

1490
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, something's changing in our society, because

1491
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: this used to be like my shameful like you ever

1492
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: heard of dragon ball Z? Nope, okay, don't don't wry

1493
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: about it. I'm out of here. You never heard of me?

1494
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: But then it went to like I could have never

1495
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: but then it changed at some point that like you

1496
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: know of some of the most popular guys on campus

1497
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: and stuff would be like, oh, man, coming to your

1498
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: room tonight, and like, Yo, this has changed, and I

1499
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: do feel like that's changed so big, Like Marvel is

1500
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the world right now and that's

1501
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: nerd stuff.

1502
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is, because they realize is I think

1503
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: that what Marvel has learned to do, good or bad

1504
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: is DC has done this a lot too. One Ofer

1505
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: brothers do this a lot too. But what Marvel's wanting

1506
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: to do is to make use of they're fandom. Fandom.

1507
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: Some people would even say weaponize it. But the fandom

1508
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 3: is going to do more to sell your movie than

1509
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: anything else will. That's why you have a lot of

1510
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 3: people out here who that's why the Academy does not

1511
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: recognize superhero movies. I'm convinced, And that's why a lot

1512
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 3: of people who are purest in the when it comes

1513
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: to critics, movie critics and stuff like that, always trash

1514
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: them because they feel like they're making a lot of

1515
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 3: money based on fandom and not on actual the merit

1516
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 3: of the stories that they're making and creating. But what

1517
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 3: they also don't realize is if you notice a lot

1518
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: of these remakes and things, I mean, think about it.

1519
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: Masters the universe is coming down next.

1520
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that all of the there's a whole

1521
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: generation of people who grew up not even as nerds,

1522
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 3: just quote unquote secretly watching the same stuff we were

1523
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: watching that are now executives that are like, I'm making

1524
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 3: this show come on, and I know there's an audience

1525
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 3: for it. So just like and a very good example

1526
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 3: of a weaponized fandom.

1527
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: Is the sniderverse.

1528
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 3: Like Snyder knew exactly what those people were doing, cause

1529
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: they weren't just threatening people like myself and other people online.

1530
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: They were threatening people who actually work for Warner Brothers.

1531
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: And no one was stopping them until the Snyder verse

1532
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 3: cut came out.

1533
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: And then once it came out, he's doing press. He's like, yes,

1534
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: I don't acknowledge any of them. I don't know them.

1535
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: They're not you know, I don't know her, And he

1536
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: knew exactly what was going on. But it was free.

1537
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: It was free press for a movie that was not

1538
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 3: going to make anybody money, and it was effort. And

1539
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: I keep telling people this, always take it, because this

1540
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: is what I like doing. I like looking at what

1541
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 3: everybody's yelling at and then looking just to the side

1542
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: of it, just behind it. Everybody was yelling about the

1543
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: Center Verse, and everybody's yelling at Zack Snyder and all

1544
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 3: the things that happened and how long it took. And

1545
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 3: even what's his name that did the first one?

1546
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 2: Uh no, no, no, no, Buffy.

1547
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 4: Buffy Josh Whedon.

1548
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: Right, you shall not be named.

1549
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: Even in series on HBO. By the way, he I

1550
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: was like, I got to the credits, like he made this.

1551
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: So Josh so Josh Whedon.

1552
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: Even all those conversations, it was never about that they

1553
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 3: were never going to recoup their money. It was about

1554
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: getting everybody to sign up for HBO Max. It's the

1555
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 3: same reason why that movie as well as cons Sky

1556
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: Island dropped in one month, but they pushed World Combat

1557
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: to a second month, so so that you would have

1558
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: to renew if you bought the two movies two months

1559
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: of HBO Max, or to see all three of those movie.

1560
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: HBO made their money for you seeing three movies in

1561
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: a movie theater.

1562
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: There you go.

1563
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: It was all about recouping the money and just getting

1564
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 3: people on the subscription thing and had nothing to do

1565
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 3: with Snyder verse being good or bad his version being better.

1566
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: No, it was about us paying the money.

1567
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's wild too because people like you're right,

1568
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: do people do see it now as a thing you

1569
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: can weaponize. I think gamer Gate really showed a lot

1570
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: of that, like the potential for harm, threats, harassment.

1571
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: But again, you can't.

1572
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: The gamer gage started with a guy who'd basically been

1573
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 3: dissed by his ex girlfriend.

1574
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, a lot a lot of sexism behind that.

1575
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 5: So I'm like you, when I see these people shouting

1576
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 5: and being angry and fandom, I always look to see

1577
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 5: who is shouting. Okay, a bunch of white dudes, Let's

1578
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 5: see why they're shouting, Oh over a woman or it's

1579
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 5: based Oh, but like it's And even if it didn't start, eventually,

1580
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,480
Speaker 5: if I start branching out, I can see you harassing

1581
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 5: women only the women. The men are fine, y'all not

1582
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 5: Or if you harass the men, you're harassing the men

1583
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 5: that defend the women. You're not harassing the men on

1584
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 5: their own merit. So you know, once you see that

1585
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 5: shit started to make more sense, you go, okay, game

1586
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 5: of Gate. Then you got Snider verse.

1587
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: A lot of this ship crosses, you know a.

1588
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: Lot of people, as I had Christina Ariel on my

1589
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: show and Christina Aril is the host of the Star

1590
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: Wars High Republic show on YouTube and got so many.

1591
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: Threats, actual credible threats, she had to get security to

1592
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: bring her and her kids to school.

1593
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, John Boyega has to call Star Wars and say, listen,

1594
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 3: you're not gonna like she needs protection like I needed protection.

1595
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: They ran off Keller Marie Trand.

1596
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: They ran off, they ran off Callum Memory Tran. They

1597
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: actually physically threatened Christina.

1598
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 2: Black women in geeked him, stay threatened. I really Snyder

1599
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: use got bad for me, But.

1600
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: I really only had one credible threat that I had

1601
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 3: to deal with, and like that, we had to go,

1602
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 3: all right.

1603
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: We have to find the ISP.

1604
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: And this has the because there was somebody who docksed me,

1605
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 3: who basically took a picture of my house.

1606
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, this, y'all don't know who

1607
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm connected to. Don't ever do this.

1608
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: I got two brothers in tech, my god brother's and

1609
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 3: state senator, and my boyfriend's an actual bouncer.

1610
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: Don't do this. You'll die, like you will die.

1611
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: So it's just But here's the sad thing about it,

1612
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 3: this weaponized fandom, even though people know it's.

1613
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: Bad and no women get dragged or whatever, at.

1614
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 3: The end of the day that yeah, well listen, we'll

1615
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 3: just apologize.

1616
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 2: It's getting us the numbers, right. I've even seen, you know, live.

1617
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 3: YouTubers who will be ranting and raving about a comic

1618
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 3: or something or something, and then the conversation will turn

1619
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 3: to something that's not so controversial, and you know the

1620
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: ones that have the open uh it's not always stream labs,

1621
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,440
Speaker 3: but you know they didn't they take the donations.

1622
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: You'll see they'll see a different donations and.

1623
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: Then they'll start screaming about a woman again and the

1624
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 3: donations will go up.

1625
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow, so it is.

1626
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: I've literally watched several major YouTubers do this, so it

1627
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: is not even talking about what a woman has done

1628
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 3: to you, especially all black women makes money.

1629
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: I had a friend do he has a podcast, and

1630
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I think Captain Marrow came

1631
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: out and he was like what why. He's like, you know,

1632
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: he saw the movie. He's like, yeah, man, I thought

1633
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: it was good. But then I went on YouTube. Everyone

1634
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: hates this movie and they hate relaarning what happened. I

1635
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, man, they just hate women. And

1636
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: they're like they've just kind of weaponized nerdsh it to

1637
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: be like, I hate women, but here's how I'm gonna

1638
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: work backwards from this, right and then, but it always

1639
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: comes back to the same place, right and then. I

1640
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: want to say it was like this year something else,

1641
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: having Oh Sylvie and Loki. He didn't. He was like,

1642
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: I was looking up stuff on YouTube to learn more

1643
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: about Loki and he's like, these people hate Sylvie. I

1644
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: think I think they hate women. I was like, that's

1645
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Remember when a couple of years ago,

1646
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to save you some time. But I

1647
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: think that's where everybody gets to like comics Gate, gamer Gate,

1648
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: Snyder Verse is all that shit kind of is driven

1649
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: by that misogyny and whatnot, and that racism and whatnot,

1650
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: and then at the same time, the engagement and the

1651
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: numbers are off the charts. They're YouTubers who you can

1652
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: see their YouTube videos change like the day they decided

1653
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: like fuck it, I want the money. And they were

1654
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: just like, I know, I used to just talk about

1655
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: Star trek. But guess what, I all so hate women

1656
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: and comic books, and people are like, here's a bunch

1657
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,440
Speaker 1: of money.

1658
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's and unfortunately Marvel and DC know this,

1659
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 3: so they know that somebody yelling and screaming about a

1660
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: comic and how much.

1661
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: They hate it. Again, good attention, bad attention.

1662
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 3: The algorithm doesn't know the difference, right, The algorithm just knows, oh,

1663
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: this is getting more content this and it's because of

1664
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: the way the tech was built. This is why they

1665
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: can't stop it. As they say, they can't stop it,

1666
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 3: they can only hold hope to contain it, which is

1667
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 3: why everybody from.

1668
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: Facebook to TikTok now has a black space.

1669
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: Hey, join our black creator program, join our black fill

1670
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: in the blank.

1671
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 2: We know we can keep y'all safe over here.

1672
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: And what's crazy about it is it's turning into this

1673
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 3: weird separate but equal thing right in the geek community

1674
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: where and I go through this because I will be

1675
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: asked to only talk about black stuff, and I'm like, no,

1676
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: I want to talk about science, right. And the only

1677
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: place I was actually, I mean literally, I'm on the

1678
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 3: board of Virtue, wiscons So, but I was like, I'm

1679
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 3: talking about this because this is a panel I've always

1680
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 3: wanted to do with a bunch of women or just

1681
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 3: people of color who are scientists and talk about how

1682
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: some of like real world science could be in these comics.

1683
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 3: And I just think it's a fascinating subject. But I

1684
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 3: can't tell you how many times I've pitched that and

1685
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, but it's the racism though, that are're

1686
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: you gonna be talking about, like racism and science.

1687
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's just science and kind.

1688
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 4: Of books like everything. I don't have.

1689
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 5: Y'all realize I'm black every day sometimes we want to

1690
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 5: turn this ship off and every time we walk out

1691
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 5: the door and we ain't trying to raise our power

1692
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 5: fist up in the air and say fuck white people.

1693
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 4: It don't work like that, like.

1694
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: The INN and NASA doesn't stand for Negro and so

1695
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,919
Speaker 1: you can't talk about it, okay exactly.

1696
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's interesting.

1697
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we don't have enough time to talk

1698
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,839
Speaker 3: about missoginy in the black Yeah.

1699
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's something else all in itself.

1700
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: The short answer to that is that is why I'm

1701
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: not really on Facebook. Yeah, I hear people that post

1702
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: for me on Facebook.

1703
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: Because I can't.

1704
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm in no, I am in literally zero Facebook groups.

1705
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 4: I have to.

1706
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 3: I have to hit the setting because I'm in some

1707
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 3: that I didn't know I was in.

1708
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes I forget and they pop up and I

1709
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 5: eject immediately.

1710
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: I got all of them who made that setting that way,

1711
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: Like that is weird. You should not be able to

1712
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: add me to the ship. I don't believe it that way.

1713
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: Men who want to be able to get women.

1714
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: Yes to the group. That has to be because like

1715
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: I keep getting added to, like I'll get added to

1716
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: like uh like some type of black group or something,

1717
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: and then inevitably it's just like hotel thing or listen,

1718
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: this is what they're trying to do to the They

1719
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: trying to feminize to child or so. I'm just like,

1720
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: who thought this was a good idea to even collect

1721
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: y'all in a in a batch?

1722
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: Everyone?

1723
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: It's not just I want out all y'all should be

1724
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: everyone should.

1725
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 4: Have to go.

1726
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 3: Something is fascinating to me is that all of these groups,

1727
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: so many of the type of groups that you're describing,

1728
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 3: they think that queerness was invented like two years ago.

1729
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 2: Ahh. I'm like, I don't understan.

1730
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: Theyquivated people in your family who've been gave your whole life.

1731
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: You know that.

1732
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: Come on, they act like white people came and made

1733
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: black people gay, like black people were just one hundred

1734
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: percent everyone was straight, and then the white man showed up.

1735
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 1: It was like, you know what, I don't like to

1736
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: look at this. You need some gay black people and

1737
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: it is ridiculous.

1738
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: And I take that back.

1739
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 5: I am part of one Facebook group and it is

1740
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 5: the black.

1741
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: Girls who loved Trady Joe's.

1742
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 5: I need to be part of that and that and

1743
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 5: that is my jamn because they have all kinds of

1744
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 5: suggestions and shit like that, and they tell you what's

1745
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 5: good and what's not. Because that Facebook group is just

1746
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,520
Speaker 5: fun because it's.

1747
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 4: Nothing in that but black women and we talk about

1748
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 4: this is good, this is not good, and you know,

1749
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 4: but other than that.

1750
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna tell you right now, for those listening

1751
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 5: to the show, if you send me links, I reject them.

1752
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now. You wonder why you don't

1753
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 5: get no comment because I say.

1754
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I gotta. I'm in a far side group.

1755
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: That's the only one I'm in because I grew up

1756
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: loving Gary Olsen's parts out but yeah, it's just weird

1757
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: because I think the Internet does allow people to group up.

1758
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: You were talking about Twitch and like all the black

1759
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: spaces and stuff. It's interesting with Twitch because I was

1760
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: reading the article where they're making like these labels and

1761
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: groups to be like, Okay, we want to highlight these

1762
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: are we have transcreators. We want to highlight transcreators. But

1763
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: then people in who are actually like in the group,

1764
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: like who are like, listen, I'm a transcreator. They gave

1765
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: me this label. It's causing people to harass me more

1766
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, and that happens.

1767
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: That happens all over.

1768
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: It's like they will because just like anything else, they'll

1769
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 3: find the moment you give a tag or hashtager, a

1770
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 3: label or a bot, it sends people there to also hate.

1771
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: So that was one of the things. And it's funny.

1772
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: I I don't want to say I got onto Twitch

1773
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: by accident.

1774
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: It was very purposeful, but I didn't plan to do

1775
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: it this way.

1776
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: I was I have been pitching the Burgo Live the.

1777
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: Concept of the show of different people, and either people

1778
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 3: wanted the show and didn't want me, or wanted me

1779
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 3: and didn't want to show, and I was in again

1780
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 3: We're in the middle of a panorama and we've got time,

1781
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 3: and bills were turned off, and I was like, let's experiment.

1782
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: And I knew some people over on the OS Operating

1783
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 3: System channel OSMYC is actually a space here that people

1784
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 3: can come and pay like a monthly fee and just

1785
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: game whenever they want.

1786
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 2: And it's great, especially for kids who.

1787
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: Don't have access to like really big rigs that want

1788
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 3: to try and compete stuff like that, because that's actually

1789
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: a barrier of entry in a lot of black communities.

1790
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: Black folks, a lot of black folks are platform.

1791
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: Gamers and not PC gamers because they can't afford the gear, right,

1792
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: And so this place actually has a lot of different

1793
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 3: stuff that people can use and come in on a

1794
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: regular basis and actually maintain.

1795
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: Get your little camera, get you a little rig and

1796
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: set up, and you could actually run your own channels.

1797
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,440
Speaker 3: So pandemic happened, they had to shut down or close temporarily,

1798
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: and they pushed everything onto Twitch, and I knew somebody

1799
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 3: was working there that was like, listen, they're trying to

1800
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 3: get into this talk show just chatting space.

1801
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: Do you want to, you know, maybe do a show

1802
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: over here.

1803
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: I was like, absolutely, and I was like, I got

1804
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: some high end people, so I got to make sure

1805
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: that your producer can like really work with me with them,

1806
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: and then they were like okay, okay, okay, but they

1807
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 3: didn't know anything about me. So when I showed up

1808
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 3: with like April Rain, Randa Jones, Matthew Cherry, They're like, wait,

1809
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: hold up, we didn't know you met.

1810
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 2: This big I told you. So it was just really

1811
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: really interesting.

1812
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: It was also, like we said earlier, because it was

1813
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: a pandemic, I was able to get access to people

1814
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 3: that I don't think normally I would get access to

1815
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 3: because they weren't doing then and they had, you know,

1816
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: they got to leave their house and a lot of

1817
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 3: people were worried about staying relevant.

1818
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: So it works. But one interesting thing about Twitch is

1819
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: that it was a great thing.

1820
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 3: To do too, because it was sort of like working

1821
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 3: for a network, like a TV network on Twitch, so

1822
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: they were already partnered. So I came in at like

1823
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: this top floor level, the penthouse level, seeing all the

1824
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: pretty stuff, and then when I started my own channel,

1825
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, it's not always like that.

1826
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 3: So and one of the things that I learned was

1827
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: you have to have.

1828
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: You have to be modded up.

1829
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: You have to have mods, and you're not going to

1830
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 3: have mods if you don't talk to anybody and you

1831
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 3: don't have a community, which goes bay to what we

1832
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 3: were saying earlier about there are people out there that

1833
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 3: are willing to help you.

1834
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 2: Yea.

1835
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 3: So again, you can't stop the hate. You could only

1836
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 3: have enough mods and people working with you to kick

1837
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: them out when they start spewing their nonsense and banning them.

1838
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 3: And there's a way to do that, only through a

1839
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 3: couple of clicks. It's not like typing forever. But yeah,

1840
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: I've been on the twitch front page a couple.

1841
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 2: Of times and it's a different animal.

1842
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 3: Well, you all of a sudden have like twenty five

1843
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: thousand people looking at you, and.

1844
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: I don't understand that culture because it's so weird, like

1845
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: they're so obviously guided by a large, like misogynistic, racist

1846
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: collective of people as well as I don't know.

1847
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 3: But you also have to realize they're not in there

1848
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 3: as individuals. Their entire discord set up as to have

1849
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 3: people like this. So it's coded.

1850
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: They tell me how to create code so.

1851
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: That if anybody uses certain type in their comments, that

1852
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: you're the bot will just turn on and go right

1853
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 3: there and start spewing right yeah.

1854
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: And it's so obvious because like I read these articles

1855
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: about like like Okataco, they'll cover like Twitch and there's

1856
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: always like this girl is being banned because she had

1857
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: her cleavage out or something. I'm like, who are the

1858
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: people who got angry though?

1859
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1860
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Like who like because you have to have such an

1861
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: ownership of women in your mind to be like, I'm

1862
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: attracted to women, I want to see them this way,

1863
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: but also I don't like that. I don't like that

1864
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: inside of me. So they need to be punished because

1865
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you have anything onto what you don't

1866
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: want to watch, you could not watch it. And the

1867
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: channel was capitulating to them, like Twitch was being like

1868
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: we're kicking this person off, and they seem like they're

1869
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: trying to like work some of it out now and

1870
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we're paying, we're bringing them back. Sorry

1871
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: we kicked you off. But it's still like, what the

1872
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: fuck is wrong with this dynamic? Is the point?

1873
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 3: Because it's the thing again, is about this vocal minority.

1874
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: I had to explain to somebody even with the.

1875
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 3: Snyder verse and I'm bringing that up again because it's

1876
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 3: just the best case study to use. And Star Wars,

1877
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 3: there were not that many people who actually hated Kelly

1878
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 3: Memory Trader old people talk about bots people. They just

1879
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: had the vocal. They were loud enough, and they were

1880
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 3: able to garner enough attention in a short period of

1881
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 3: time that executives who don't know social media panicked and

1882
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: there was like, this is effecting our bottom line, we

1883
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 3: have to do something.

1884
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: Wow. So Twitch here's the thing. Twitch is even bigger

1885
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 2: than Twitter anything else. Like, it's international.

1886
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: It's been that way for a long time, and they

1887
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 3: have a diversity problem, which is why I'm there.

1888
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: I love going to places where I'm not wanted. It's fun.

1889
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 3: So the diversity problem because people say, well it's international,

1890
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 3: look at all these other people of color that are

1891
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 3: across the world, and then you have to say, black people,

1892
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: where are the black people?

1893
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 5: Yes, and.

1894
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: So yes, there can be garner a lot of hate,

1895
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 2: but it's not an individual that's doing it, like I said,

1896
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: they will usually have uh tech doing it for them.

1897
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 5: Right.

1898
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 3: Also, over the during the pandemic to just adding vertical

1899
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 3: got so big that they had to break it up

1900
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 3: into other verticals, including hot tubs and pools. Yes, because

1901
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 3: a lot of the girls that do the just this

1902
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: side of corn, just this side that didn't start only fans,

1903
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: only fans also, you know, help them out.

1904
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not against anybody who wants.

1905
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: To express themselves any kind of way.

1906
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this is what happened.

1907
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 3: So a lot of them were getting all of these

1908
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 3: big numbers because they're sitting in a hot tub, just

1909
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 3: having a conversation in a bikini, possibly with nothing.

1910
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 2: On down below, but you can't see. And they're getting

1911
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: all of the numbers, and they're number one and number

1912
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: two on Twitch.

1913
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 3: And it made the guys who are gamers pissed because

1914
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 3: they're like, I can't compete with that. My numbers need

1915
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 3: to be bigger than hers, but I don't have boobs.

1916
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 3: Get her out of here.

1917
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they would get mad that the women had boyfriends.

1918
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:57,440
Speaker 2: Apologize.

1919
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 4: I'm not apologize with you because I.

1920
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,919
Speaker 5: Got a boyfriend.

1921
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 3: I remember Cuty the Cosplat went through that when she

1922
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: revealed that she was married. She lost about ten thousand followers.

1923
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 3: It's like, but y'all thought you had a shot.

1924
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: That's that's insane. I need to explain to you.

1925
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 4: That Nah, that's personal life.

1926
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: That's too much, y'all, that's too much. I'm sorry, but

1927
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: all right, we've had a great time. I know we've

1928
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: gone a little bit over time.

1929
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I was late.

1930
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 1: It's fine. We appreciate you for being here. I wanted

1931
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: to ask before you before we wrap up, about some

1932
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 1: geek stuff. Right, what have you ever had like a

1933
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: TV show or a movie or anything that you like

1934
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: that is very unpopular or just no one knows about it,

1935
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: or you know it was bad, but you liked it

1936
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: anyway in the in the in the nerd geek area.

1937
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I'll start first as I asked the question, and give

1938
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: you some chance. It's time to think. I was thinking

1939
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: of other day. I believe it was a victim of

1940
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: the writer strike. But I remember this TV show called

1941
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: The Cape.

1942
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 4: The Cape, Yes, that was your jam.

1943
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,879
Speaker 1: It was so bad, it was terrible.

1944
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: It came on NBC. I remember that bullshit a white man.

1945
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: He was a cop. I think he got like shot

1946
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: in a lot of duty, but then he got like

1947
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: a superpowered cake and he got shot in a lot

1948
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: of duty and faked his own death. But then he

1949
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: could wear a cape and the Cape had superpowers and

1950
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: like couldn't like he could mentally make the Cape like

1951
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: slap this thing on.

1952
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,440
Speaker 2: The wall grabbed his stick, so cloak.

1953
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: Me and his because he faked his own death. His

1954
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: family thought he was dead, but he would still go

1955
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: to his apartment and go on the balcony next to

1956
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: his son's window, yes, and talk to him through talk

1957
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: to his son as the Cape. He would talk to

1958
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: his son as the Cape, and his son didn't realize

1959
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: it was his fucking dad, like like the Cape dis guys.

1960
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: When you see it, it's like like it was just

1961
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: much on your face, so like you would know that's

1962
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: your dad.

1963
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, know that's your daddy.

1964
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: You would have full conversations every week with the Kate

1965
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: and be like, but my daddy's dead. And I was

1966
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: just like this Keith David was in it.

1967
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: It was Yes, that's what I was gonna say, was

1968
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Keith David.

1969
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 3: And this because Keith dave him remember his his his voice.

1970
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 2: That is hilarious.

1971
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: The Kate that was a probably home man. Have you

1972
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: ever had one? Karen fel as well, Karen Feil free

1973
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to chime in as well if you have one.

1974
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, I should probably like Karen go next, because

1975
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 3: I can only think of one.

1976
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 2: And I didn't think it was that fad. I just couldn't.

1977
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: I just don't think it found its footing. And it's

1978
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 2: not that old. It was Alpha's Alphas, and I really

1979
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 2: liked Alphas.

1980
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Alpha's was on and around me look it up twenty

1981
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, I think.

1982
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: And it had a great cast. It had like Malik Yoba.

1983
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 3: And Warren Christie and Mahershala was on it. Ali was

1984
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 3: on it, and they all have powers, but they were

1985
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,440
Speaker 3: It was almost like X Men, but they were a business.

1986
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: So think of it as a cross between X Men

1987
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 2: and Leverage. Like they would have.

1988
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 3: They would research like events that happened and things that happened,

1989
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 3: and not just determine if they were supernatural or not.

1990
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 3: They would probably have to use their powers to get

1991
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: in and out of them. And I just felt like

1992
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 3: it never found its footing. If the show came out

1993
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 3: right now, I think it would do really really well.

1994
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,440
Speaker 3: But they basically were looking for more people like themselves,

1995
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 3: so they would investigate sort of like the paranormal, but

1996
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 3: usually it had an edge with I think this guy

1997
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 3: might be a fire bender. Let's go check it out.

1998
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: You know, did they actually burn down their house or

1999
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 2: did his powers just kick in, like let's go see.

2000
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, something in the chatter said X files

2001
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 3: with Superheroes.

2002
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.

2003
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like. It was so good, but

2004
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 3: it just couldn't find its footing. And I think it

2005
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: was in like it was twenty eleven twenty twelve, in

2006
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 3: that time where people a lot of people were going

2007
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 3: to streaming, but the networks still were trying to push

2008
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 3: everything down networks, and.

2009
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: I remember Mark Bernardin even wrote for it for a while.

2010
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one show that I felt did not

2011
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 3: get as much love as it should have.

2012
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: And then another TV show.

2013
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 3: And I was just talking about this to somebody yesterday

2014
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 3: that I tell everybody to watch, and it's on Netflix

2015
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 3: right now. It's called Kingdom, and it is a Korean

2016
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 3: zombie series and it's a Korean.

2017
01:33:53,080 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: Period piece, so it's like feudal Korea. And there's and.

2018
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 3: There's another like special that's gonna drop in a few weeks.

2019
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 3: But I am not a huge horror fan. I'm more

2020
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 3: into zombies than I am until like, you know, just

2021
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 3: slash your films.

2022
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 2: But Kingdom was such a well written show.

2023
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 3: And again I don't have a problem with subtitles because

2024
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,759
Speaker 3: I grew up watching them, but they do have a dub.

2025
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: If it bothers you.

2026
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 3: But it is so good and the reason why the

2027
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 3: zombie virus exists and how the kingdom is sort of

2028
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 3: like hiding it and everything is just fascinating. And it's

2029
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 3: got all that like intrigue and stuff, political intrigue lets

2030
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 3: you get like from like Game of Thrones and stuff,

2031
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 3: but it's in feudal career.

2032
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: How many.

2033
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: Right now too. But there's like a movie that's coming

2034
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 2: out because.

2035
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 3: They realize how popular it is, and they're not done

2036
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 3: with the third season yet because of the pandemic, so

2037
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: they did like they're combining against the first couple of

2038
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 3: episodes of the next season into like a movie and

2039
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 3: that's coming out soon, so you can. But you can

2040
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 3: watch in their entire season one and season two and

2041
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: get a nice story. So I'm just gonna leave you

2042
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 3: with such a cliffhanger that you'll be upset.

2043
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: Add to the list. Man, I've been needing something to

2044
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: fill my zombie void because I just finished Black Summer

2045
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: and it was like, just watched that I.

2046
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Didn't realize it was connected to because is campy.

2047
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh my god, oh no at all going to

2048
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 6: play Okay, these are on peds.

2049
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm like, this is not what I

2050
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 3: signed up for.

2051
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I was not ready. I was not ready. I was listen,

2052
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: I come from Walking Dead, so I was really not ready.

2053
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 4: I was like, we like we used to the convenient zombie.

2054
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, this is moving fast.

2055
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: And like somebody ties and they're instantly.

2056
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: Dead and it's oh, it don't matter how long it

2057
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: took you to get to know that person. It's not

2058
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 1: And it's not like the Walking Dad when they kill people.

2059
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: It's always like we're sending out this actor, you know,

2060
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: this is his third season, and we're gonna give him

2061
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: a forty minutes with the character. We're gonna do some

2062
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: world building flashbacks. This shit is really like I got bit,

2063
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: put out, run and everybody he got hit.

2064
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 3: Like, say, like so in order of the zombies that

2065
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 3: are in Kingdom, they don't move that fast. Okay, the

2066
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 3: zombies you're referring to, like Black Summer is more like

2067
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 3: trained with Bussan zombies you see.

2068
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, so they're fast.

2069
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: Yes.

2070
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 3: The thing that I wasn't clear on and it was

2071
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 3: halfway through the movie which I was like, this is related.

2072
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 2: To the Nation.

2073
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm like out, So apparently Black Summer is when is

2074
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,839
Speaker 3: two years or a year before the nation starts.

2075
01:36:53,960 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the start of that apocalypse when it's serious.

2076
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Lesson and like this. These are the first zombies that

2077
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 1: I was like, I get why you don't even try

2078
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: to shoot them, Like, like you need to think about

2079
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna shoot the fair one with these zombies,

2080
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: because other zombie shows is like no, unless there's twenty zombies,

2081
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: then I'm you know, like twenties zombies. I'm not going right.

2082
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 1: But literally, one fucking zombie is so hard to kill.

2083
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like they are like if you don't hit them

2084
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: directly in the brain, you are just wasting shots. They

2085
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: shrug off shots like fifty cent. Before this time, I

2086
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: was watching it like.

2087
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 2: These zombies, that's James Moke.

2088
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: Listen. You know you know that TV show American Ninja

2089
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: Warrior or Ninja. They could put the people at the

2090
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: end of those obstacle courses and those zombies would fucking

2091
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: get to the people. I don't want that smoke, Karen,

2092
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry did you come up with one? Close out?

2093
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 1: One show?

2094
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 5: And I don't remember the name of it, but me

2095
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 5: and Roger watched the show, and I know you remember

2096
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 5: it came on Fox and it had one season and

2097
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 5: they canceled it. And Little Black Girl that that that

2098
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 5: one was. That's one of them.

2099
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 4: But the one I'm talking about is a different show.

2100
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 5: It had your boy from who liked to do the

2101
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 5: Almost Human?

2102
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: Yes?

2103
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 4: Who? Yes?

2104
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: Who? Yes?

2105
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 1: Michael Yes, and the thing about it.

2106
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 2: You know what, You're right? I liked. I liked Almost

2107
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Human also, and I liked Michael E. Lee as well.

2108
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 5: Yes, And I liked the passage also. I was kind

2109
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 5: of hurt about the passage. I wanted to see uh

2110
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 5: a second season of that too, but they didn't knew

2111
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 5: it and I was.

2112
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 2: I was really hurt. But Almost Human put like this.

2113
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 1: It was funny.

2114
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 4: Yes, And the thing.

2115
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 5: About Almost Human that hurt was Almost Human. They had

2116
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 5: everybody was doing this. They had a bunch of shows

2117
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 5: and they kind of still do this, not as bad

2118
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 5: because of streaming. When they put the shows out. If

2119
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 5: the shows don't catch on like Wildfire and they put it,

2120
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 5: they would put them on off nights. They would put

2121
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 5: them on Friday night at team Monday night at midnight,

2122
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 5: you've been like, who the fuck is watching this?

2123
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 4: And then they turned around and canceled it.

2124
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 5: And what made me mad was that that was one

2125
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,520
Speaker 5: of the last times in a long time.

2126
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 4: Before that I was like, I'm not watching new shows.

2127
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,839
Speaker 5: I was like, y'all gotta get at least two seasons

2128
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 5: file waste my fucking time because well, and also what

2129
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 5: happened with that show is that they started playing episodes

2130
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 5: out of order, so then this shit didn't make no sense.

2131
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: This is why, this is why I like a lot

2132
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: of stuff that gets picked up on Netflix.

2133
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 3: Like I saw people If anybody is interested in getting

2134
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 3: into Expanse that jam, yeah, that's all of that is

2135
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 3: all up on Amazon now because I talked to a

2136
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 3: lot of people who are like, I don't want to

2137
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 3: watch it makes the commitment and then they don't end it,

2138
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 3: and I get that feeling.

2139
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 2: But Almost Human was another one.

2140
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 3: And the sad thing is I was excited for that

2141
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 3: show also because Michael Ealy, you know, but I was

2142
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 3: excited for that show also because the producer is the

2143
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 3: same guy that to French je Wyman.

2144
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 2: He did French and I like French. So it's just

2145
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 2: but again I don't know what it is. Michael Ei

2146
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:09,759
Speaker 2: needs to get a new agent.

2147
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 3: He's a really good actor, but he keeps getting these

2148
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 3: really bad Michael.

2149
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 1: Ee feels like the kind of person that would be

2150
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: like super famous if like he'd be like success, very

2151
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: successful if heels white. Yes, Like I don't know why.

2152
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 1: It just feels like he gets the role right below

2153
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: the like the white guy roll.

2154
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 3: I feel like if like if Michael Ee was on

2155
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 3: Gray's Anatomy, like he'd be huge, Like can Shaanda do

2156
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 3: something with Michael.

2157
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Because he's a list talent, but.

2158
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 3: This bro he keeping I know you like Will Smith

2159
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 3: and keep helping him out, but work on something else.

2160
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,560
Speaker 4: Yes, he does that. But Roger called a black executive

2161
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 4: fan fiction, that is his role.

2162
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 5: If that's executive, yes, if it's we called Roger called

2163
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 5: it that.

2164
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 4: Because they're black people.

2165
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: You really don't don't know what they do.

2166
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 4: They make a whole lot of money, but.

2167
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 5: They've been like, I'm an executive, really don't know what

2168
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 5: I do. Work for some company, but I got a

2169
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 5: million dollar house and I drive the tightest bends.

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Speaker 4: But you know, uh, I got I live in this

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Speaker 4: house I invite out my friends over and then you

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, you kind of make it all.

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Speaker 1: Like the genre is specific to like it's very much

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Speaker 1: centered around normally like romantic thrillers, but it can be

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01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: stuff like Best Man Holiday. Yeah, but normal normally it's

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Speaker 1: like yeah, normally it's like intruder fatale stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: where it's like this person is an accountant, but somehow

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Speaker 1: they have a twelve million dollar house. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: I love that stuff. And Michael Ely is in all

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Speaker 1: of them. So Ram, it's been so great to have

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Speaker 1: you here. It was very fun.

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Speaker 2: It has I'm so sorry for the technical the song.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. You made it here, you know. Listen,

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Speaker 1: we've had words, We've had people that are just like

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Speaker 1: I can't make it or you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Or can we do it by phone or whatever? We'll

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01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 1: and we will do it. My phone will make you

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Speaker 1: what you don't give a dance.

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Speaker 3: But you know what's funny, I'm used to being on

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01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 3: that side doing what you what you are doing, and

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Speaker 3: so it's it's so funny. I've had a couple of

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Speaker 3: these this week, and I'm like, it's hard being a

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Speaker 3: guest but you two make it so much fun of

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01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,839
Speaker 3: this is amazing show and I'm really really so happy

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01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:34,799
Speaker 3: we got to give.

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Speaker 2: Why to carry their flowers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you y'all.

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Speaker 3: Are you don't you can't tell when you're always in

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Speaker 3: the grind somebody that just shows up looking at your show.

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01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 3: It's so professional and Spotify and everything. You got all

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Speaker 3: the accolades, so.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you. Actually class for you. It was

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01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to this me too.

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01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 5: You're such a joy because I remember the first time

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01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 5: I see you and and got to be on the

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01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 5: show with you and stuff like that. And I looked

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01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 5: at Roger, I was like, I immediately to tell him

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01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 5: I don't know what you gotta do, but I won't

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Speaker 5: on the show. She's so happy, she's so bubbly, and

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01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 5: I want to introduce, you know, our fans to some

2211
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 5: black folks.

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01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's go tell the people where to find you online.

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01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 3: I am basically the blur Girl everywhere t A G

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01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 3: B L E R D g U R O. I

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01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 3: am usually hanging out on Twitter and Instagram, but I

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01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 3: obviously have the blurgirl dot com and I am actually

2217
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 3: at my Twitch show that we were talking about just

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01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 3: last week. Expanded, so I guess this is a little

2219
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 3: news breaking downesay. Twitch is from a pm to ten

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01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 3: pm on Tuesdays, but I'm also now have a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a morning show on Thursdays from eight.

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Speaker 2: Am to ten am Eastern.

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01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 3: And there are what I am doing because there's so

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01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 3: many people who have missed a lot of the episodes

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01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 3: that I've done, I am hosting a lot of my

2226
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: uh content life during those slots to prep people for

2227
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 3: me coming off my little hiatus I take it. Hey,

2228
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 3: it's about every ten weeks, so then I won't hate everything,

2229
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 3: right and yeah, but I try and fill it up

2230
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 3: with content that people haven't seen before, so behind the

2231
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 3: scenes things and stuff like that. So you can always

2232
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 3: follow me at twitch dot tv slash the Blurred Girl

2233
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 3: as well. And I am also going to be a

2234
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 3: lot of people have seen my podcast as a video

2235
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 3: podcast only, but the actual podcast is going to be

2236
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 3: coming back up and you guys will secure it all

2237
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 3: the places.

2238
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Speaker 2: That you listen to podcasts.

2239
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 3: But you know, since we're here, we'll just talk about

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Speaker 3: Spotify on Spotify.

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01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was listening to it and on Spotify.

2242
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: And you have such great guests too, like get big

2243
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: names and you get very in depth stuff like like

2244
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: I said, the Malcolm Bear one was amazing because I

2245
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 1: think it was.

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01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 3: Like right after George Floyd and like, yeah, and he

2247
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 3: was I was so tough because he was very emotional that.

2248
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was open about it and y'all like

2249
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: talked about it and at the same time it still

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Speaker 1: was like a great interview that did talk about his

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Speaker 1: roles and his geekness and his poetry and his rap

2252
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Man, you're a really great interviewer, and

2253
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 1: it's a really great show.

2254
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 2: I tried.

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Speaker 3: I think what I try to do because when you

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01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 3: do a lot of these like for work, everybody gets

2257
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 3: asked same questions all the time, especially when you're in

2258
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 3: those roundtables and those seven minute things.

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01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 2: You know, So when I find out something like, so.

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Speaker 3: You're a dragon Paul fan, let's talk about this, Yes,

2261
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 3: you know things are Did I hear that you were

2262
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 3: on the Great Great British Bake Off?

2263
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

2264
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 2: When did that happen? You know?

2265
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 3: Like I find that stuff interesting because everybody can read

2266
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 3: or listen to stuff every every place else. But and

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01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 3: that's I'm glad that that is also caught on and

2268
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 3: I'm glad that that has become sort of like my reputation.

2269
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 3: But my other thing that I always try to do

2270
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Speaker 3: for my growing community, and I'm telling everybody this, I'm

2271
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 3: gonna have a discord soon.

2272
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:08,799
Speaker 2: But my community is all about people who are geeks

2273
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 2: who like watching stuff, like reading stuff. But you might

2274
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 2: not know everything, or you just came in the middle.

2275
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 3: Like I just saw Invincible on TV and I heard

2276
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 3: there's a comment, does anybody know about this?

2277
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to create that safe space.

2278
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 3: And I s the on the reason why I'm going

2279
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 3: to be creating the discord because I think people are really.

2280
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Nervous about asking those questions on social media because they

2281
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 2: don't want to get dragged and they want to be

2282
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of a.

2283
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 5: Flight, right right, And you don't want to be involved

2284
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 5: in a lot of those type of things.

2285
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: And is I know also for me.

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Speaker 4: I am talking to you and you guys and doing

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Speaker 4: the nerd off.

2288
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 5: It really made me embrace my nerd on them. And

2289
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that I was a nerd until I

2290
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 5: really got mad about the most obscure shit that nobody

2291
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 5: else cared about for me and were like going on rant,

2292
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 5: and I was like, you know what, I actually care

2293
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 5: a little bit too much about this.

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01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember that. I can't remember the name of

2295
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: the episode, but there, if you're behind the paywallfy person,

2296
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: there's an episode where Karen goes off about Nintendo for

2297
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. It's amazing. But then it's like after that,

2298
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't be running from the title nerd anymore,

2299
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:15,799
Speaker 1: because only only a nerd would get that upset grown.

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01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 2: Up seem to be a nerd. You have TOAs.

2301
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Embrace it, you know what I mean? Stop fighting it

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01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: because you're just fighting yourself now.

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01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I had to do.

2304
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 5: I had to learn how to how to hug it

2305
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 5: and be like, you know what, card it is alright?

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01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 4: And I was written because I cared.

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01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the only other announcement I leave everything with,

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01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 3: which is it, was I have not to anybody else's

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01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm writing a book.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, But I can't tell you what the book is about.

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01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 3: Okay, yet follow that will find Yeah, I should be

2312
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 3: able to talk about that in the fall.

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01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: This is the breaking news of breaking news, right, no

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01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: break news here the black guys breaks. I was doing,

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01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: y'all ship when you listening to the to the big

2316
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 1: dogs in the room. This is what we do here.

2317
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: We break news on the way out. Okay, it's easy

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01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 1: for us.

2319
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 2: The way to the end, way to end.

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01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: Imagine you turned this off. Imagine you turned this off

2321
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 1: and now you don't know a book coming out.

2322
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Stupid.

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01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, we're be back tomorrow. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Karing until next time, I love it, I love you

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Speaker 1: to