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Speaker 1: As an investigative reporter, every story for be your loss.

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Speaker 1: If something goes wrong, that's not just on you, It's

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Speaker 1: not just on the reporter. It can embarrass the paper.

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Speaker 2: That's Jack Leonard, Senior investigations editor for the La Times.

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Speaker 2: Jack started at The Times as a reporter and his

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Speaker 2: stories of exposed fraud in the California conservativeship system, abuse

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Speaker 2: the La County Sheriff's Department. Jack knows that whenever a

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Speaker 2: newspaper decides to take on powerful people institutions, there's some

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Speaker 1: You need a strong stomach for that kind of reporter,

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Speaker 1: and you need a strong stomach for that kind of editing.

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Speaker 2: I've been working on the Puliafido story for a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: When I stopped by Jack's desk, I told him how

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Speaker 2: the dean of USC's medical school had been at the

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Speaker 2: as dean, and how the cops had done nothing and

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Speaker 2: no one at USC would talk. My reporting was rock solid.

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Speaker 2: It was going to be a good piece, the kind

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Speaker 2: of story that would hold Puliafido USC and the Pasadena

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Speaker 1: Says, what makes you think they could have published that?

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Speaker 2: He's talking about our editors, the two people at the

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Speaker 2: it possible that my own newspaper might not have the

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Speaker 2: stomach for this story? And if not, why? My name

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Speaker 2: is Paul Pringle. I'm an investigative reporter at the La Times.

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Speaker 2: And this is Fallen Angels, episode three. Company Men. I'd

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Speaker 3: Pulliffido lies would.

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Speaker 4: Take anythingales with it or just the alcohol, just the alcohol.

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Speaker 2: The police found drugs in the room, but Pulliafido wasn't

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Speaker 2: So Devon called the office of the USC president. He

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Speaker 2: Pulliafido was stepping down to quote pursue other opportunities. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's an important story, but Jack seems to think the

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Speaker 5: The printed paper is going to be something that it

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Speaker 2: That's Davon Maharaz, the editor in chief of the La Times,

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Speaker 2: where I work. He's given an interview about the challenges

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Speaker 2: of our business to a leading Italian press organization. Davon

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Speaker 2: when he was managing editor. He'd fight for my stories.

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Speaker 1: There was a feeling that the stories weren't just being vetted,

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Speaker 2: The series was finally published in May of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of impact newspaper editors dream about. So

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Speaker 2: why had Davon been so slow to publish and why

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Speaker 2: and there's a reason for that. The editor in chief

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Speaker 2: So Devon, in his two sided job, has to decide

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Speaker 7: The Los Angeles Times was one of the great national

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Speaker 7: the billionaire real estate investor.

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Speaker 3: Took over.

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Speaker 2: in hard. You can get a sense of Zell's leadership

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Speaker 2: Some might say that Zella is a realist. In this

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Speaker 7: Bought out the Tribune Company, took it private, and in

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Speaker 7: the Chandler family. Another rich Chicagoan tech entrepreneur, Michael Ferrell,

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Speaker 3: Harriet Ryan started at The Times in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 6: I think they wanted to value investigative reporting, they actually

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Speaker 3: The response from the paper's.

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Speaker 2: Read the letter from Max Dakias's team to Davon Maharaj,

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Speaker 2: It also seems clear that the Kisses people expect to

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Speaker 11: Welcome to the sixteenth annual La Times Festival of Books,

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Speaker 2: But I do wonder, with all the trouble in the

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Speaker 4: I knew that Paul was a really quality reporter, and

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Speaker 4: I trusted Matt implicitly, so like of.

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Speaker 2: Course, Next is Adam Elmark, thirty two years old. He's

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Speaker 10: I was working for a nonprofit called Voice of OC

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Speaker 10: at the time. We were focused really mainly on covering

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Speaker 10: local government. I was really focused on accountability reporting. I'm

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Speaker 10: covering secrets at city halls. I started to catch the

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Speaker 10: La Times's attention because I was just getting a lot

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Speaker 10: of good investigative accountability, sort of scoops. I got hired

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Speaker 10: in July of twenty sixteen, and we started working on

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Speaker 10: this story in February of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Adam's desk is next to mine. We got to know

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Speaker 2: each other and I'd come to respect his reporting. Our

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Speaker 2: next two picks are young reporters, both graduates of USC's

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Speaker 2: master's program in journalism. One is Matt Hamilton.

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Speaker 12: My first professor was an La Times courts editor at

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Speaker 12: the time, Jack Leonard.

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Speaker 3: We really connected.

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Speaker 12: I got a job as an intern for the La

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Speaker 12: Times in twenty thirteen. When a job opened up at

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Speaker 2: I didn't know Matt that well, but I've been impressed

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Speaker 2: with his work on stories about the San Bernardino terrorist attack,

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Speaker 2: which had won The Times a Politzer Prize. The final

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Speaker 2: member of the team is Sarah Parvini. Sarah had worked

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Speaker 2: with Matt on those San Bernardino stories.

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Speaker 13: There was definitely, at least for me starting so young

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Speaker 13: coming to the La Times, that aspect of it being

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Speaker 13: a dream come true for a Southern California native.

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Speaker 2: Matt and Sarah might be greener, but they're sourceful, tenacious,

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Speaker 2: good reporters.

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Speaker 12: I'm good at pun court records, I'm good at doing interviews.

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Speaker 12: I can write a solid story, but I didn't have

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Speaker 12: the level of experience of Paul or Harriet or Adam.

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Speaker 12: Sarah and I were a year part of USC, so

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Speaker 12: I think we were in the same boat, and we

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Speaker 12: had done similar internships before arriving at the paper. It

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Speaker 12: was like being like going from TRIPAA.

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Speaker 3: To the major leagues.

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Speaker 2: We've just formed a secret reporting team out of sight

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Speaker 2: of the top editors of the La Times. Me, my

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Speaker 2: editor Matt Late, and four reporters, all very different.

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Speaker 4: I remember being in the conference room and that had

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Speaker 4: sort of said like, look, we're going to do this thing.

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Speaker 4: I was going to keep it on the down low.

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Speaker 12: It was a motley crew of people on this team,

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Speaker 12: you know, different ages, different genders, different perspectives, different skill sets.

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Speaker 2: Together, we're going to find out the truth about Puliafido

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Speaker 2: and whatever USC is trying to cover up, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to make sure the story gets out there no

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Speaker 2: matter what our bosses have told us. Next time on

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Speaker 2: Fallen Angels.

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Speaker 10: Why are we wanting to participate in some sort of

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Speaker 10: secret rebellion that's going to the boat. This is really

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Speaker 10: what you want to be doing.

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Speaker 2: The secret reporting team uncovers unexpected connections from an unlikely source.

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Speaker 1: I remember just.

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Speaker 13: Being shocked that Kyle Wood evens with us.

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Speaker 10: He would make sort of ominous kind of remarks. He

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Speaker 10: would say, Carmen's evil, that the guy is really bad guy.

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Speaker 2: And we start to peel back the layers on who

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Speaker 2: Carmen Puliafido really is.

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Speaker 10: The medical school dean at usc was leading a secret

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Speaker 10: double life.

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Speaker 3: That's next time on Fallen Angels.

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Speaker 2: Fallen Angels, The Story of California Corruption is a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeart Podcasts in partnership with Best Case Studios.

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Speaker 3: I'm Paul Pringle.

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Speaker 2: This show is based on my book Bad City, Peril

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Speaker 2: and Power in the City of Angels. Fallen Angels was

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Speaker 2: written by Isabel Evans, Adam Pinks, and Brent Katz. Isabel

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Speaker 2: Evans is our producer Brent Katz his co producer. Associate

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Speaker 2: producers are Hannah Leebowitz Lockhart and On Pajo Locke. Executive

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Speaker 2: producers are me, Paul Pringle, Joe Piccarello, and Adam Pinkus

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Speaker 2: for Best Case Studios.

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Speaker 3: Original music is by James Newberry.

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Speaker 2: This episode was edited by Daniel Turik with assistants from

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Speaker 2: Max Michael Miller. Additional editings, sound design, and additional music

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Speaker 2: by Dean White.

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Speaker 3: Harriet Ryan, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Hamilton, Sarah Parvini, and Adam Olmaik are consulting producers. Our

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