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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth dun Zero.

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Speaker 3: Get on over here, back down.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, girl, I'm good. I'm doing pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I gotta smile on my face, don't.

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Speaker 3: I I like that? Yes, you do?

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Speaker 2: I tell me smile good. I got a question for

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Speaker 2: you while we're at it. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 4: I used to make bath bombs and soap.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was a crafty sort bath.

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Speaker 3: Bomb that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: You've always been that, And I could make like.

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Speaker 4: For my friends and family bath bombs to order, like

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Speaker 4: whatever scent.

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Speaker 2: Or custom bath bombs.

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Speaker 3: I don't do it anymore because maker. Yeah, no, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a bomb maker anymore.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, I every night, like Lush makes them, and

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Speaker 4: you can like smell those Lush stores, like from four

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Speaker 4: blocks away when you're walking.

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Speaker 2: Let's pretend I have. Let's pretend and probably I'm sure have.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't notice it. Like you can get.

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Speaker 3: Bath bombs all over the place, right, Have you used one?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Those are things that go fizzy. Yeah, I've been given

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Speaker 2: them as people are like you like baths. Here take this,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm not impressed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the thing is, it's kind of like

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Speaker 4: it's been done.

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Speaker 2: I just don't I don't mean they, I don't mean

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Speaker 2: a poop on it. I'm enjoying, like a good bubble bath.

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Speaker 2: I don't need all the fizzy stuff and like that.

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Speaker 2: It gets all slick and a six of your skin

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Speaker 2: and some of the stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like the lush ones that leaves sometimes like a little stain, but.

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Speaker 2: Then that's also on your skin.

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing. You carry this smell with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like an oil.

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Speaker 3: So you got to figure out, Yeah, Coco, better that

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Speaker 3: if you have to figure.

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Speaker 2: Out what sent you want, what slick you want?

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Speaker 4: Right Well, Papa John's has you covered Zarin, Papa joh

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Speaker 4: my gosh. Papa John heard people talking about, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I love your garlic sauce so much I could bathe

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Speaker 4: in it on social media and they were like, I

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Speaker 4: got boo, And so they came up with a special

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Speaker 4: garlic dipping sauce bath bomb. Yeah, and it's it's just

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Speaker 4: like garlic sauce and uh, there's just limited edition. It's buttery,

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Speaker 4: and I think you have to like brag about how

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Speaker 4: much you love it on social media and they'll send

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Speaker 4: you one.

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Speaker 2: You have to go to Bread and Circuses dot com and.

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Speaker 4: That is exactly where we are this, I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is like it's yeah, So anyway, if you want to

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Speaker 4: take a bath smell like garlic, talk to Papa John.

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Speaker 2: Papa John, does it have that like does it have

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Speaker 2: that like paper lid so you can like peel it open.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes in like a green box that says

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Speaker 4: garlic bath bomb on it, and then it looks as

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Speaker 4: if I can't tell if it actually does come in there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they give you some of the sauce that you

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Speaker 4: can like snort while you're in the tub.

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Speaker 3: This is a line of sauce.

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Speaker 2: Is that something you can take it in a bag

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Speaker 2: on a through security at an airport? No, that's just

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Speaker 2: my ba bomb, you know, Like, is that something that's.

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Speaker 5: Cool?

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Speaker 3: It's totally cool.

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Speaker 2: Would that be ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: But I know a lot of people, you know, clue

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Speaker 4: us into this garlic dipping sauce bath bomb And this

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Speaker 4: is the world we live in now, so enjoy and

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Speaker 4: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: I'll certify that one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: What else is ridiculous? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Do you know? Do you know? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I do not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. Thank you When punk rock tried

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Speaker 2: to take down the Queen of England?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, please.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime A podcast about a third and

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Speaker 2: outrageous caperice and cons. It's always nine to nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free, a one percent ridiculous yes, oh Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Do you like my Spike Lee impression from the Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan commercials?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: What? Do you know? Do you know? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 2: I was a deep callback. I'm just throwing it out there.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to. It's like a joke. Shouldnt explain

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Speaker 2: your jokes. You should explain your deep callbacks. But I

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Speaker 2: just love it so much, So, Elizabeth, today I want

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Speaker 2: to take even further back. I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: punk rock.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's a subject that's near and dear to your heart.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: You grew up going to punk rock shows, driving around

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Speaker 2: punk rock musicians. Your brother Trav, he's one of those

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Speaker 2: punk rock musicians. Elizabeth, what do you take away from

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Speaker 2: the punk rock experience? Of your your days, Like, was

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Speaker 2: it formative? Was it something you're like, I recommend it

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Speaker 2: to anyone? Or was it like I can't believe I survived, Like,

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Speaker 2: what's your take on it?

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Speaker 4: I always think of a friend of mine much later in,

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Speaker 4: you know, in her life, went through a bunch of

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Speaker 4: stuff in her life, and she she wasn't like ever

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Speaker 4: punk or anything. And her husband was at one point

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Speaker 4: and it still is. And so they're driving the car

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Speaker 4: and she's having like this really hard time and he

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Speaker 4: put on Bad Brains and she was listening to it,

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Speaker 4: and she turned to him and was like, now I

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Speaker 4: get it. I get what this does for you, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, just this helps you direct your anger, your frustration,

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Speaker 4: your joy about stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, totally, I mean it's I definitely think it's

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Speaker 2: for defiance anti authority vibe, like mad at the system

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Speaker 2: right right. Then there's also the sense of that a

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Speaker 2: community that comes with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an incredible community around it, especially here in

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Speaker 4: the East Bay.

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Speaker 3: The East Bay punk scene was pretty tight knit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys do have a good one down here.

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Speaker 3: Sure, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean i'd only visit it, so I can't

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Speaker 3: I wasn't deep deep into it.

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Speaker 2: My brother was, yeah, well, are you ready to talk

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Speaker 2: about a ridiculous crime from punk rock history?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Please, So first let's set our stage, Elizabeth. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: be talking about UK punk. And I was looking into this, right,

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Speaker 2: not the good old us of A but UK punk, right.

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Speaker 2: And I had to do some research to, you know,

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Speaker 2: learn some of the you know, the I guess the

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Speaker 2: great peak moments of early punk rock UK punk rock

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Speaker 2: history totally, but like, did you know you two started

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Speaker 2: out as a punk cover band, true story.

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Speaker 3: They were like a new wave band, no, and.

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Speaker 2: You want to guess which punk band they covered? It

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Speaker 2: was the Ramones. I would not have seen it coming,

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Speaker 2: but Bono really loved the voice Joey Mones, and so

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Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I want to sing. He sings like

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Speaker 2: a girl. I sing like a girl. That's his words,

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Speaker 2: that's mine, right. So Also, by the way, I learned

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Speaker 2: that the Ramones took their name from a Beatles stage name. Really,

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Speaker 2: Paul McCartney used to go as Paul Ramone, so they

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Speaker 2: became the Ramones in honor of Paul Ramone.

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Speaker 3: I did not know that I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: It's wild history. Right. So anyway, before you two were

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Speaker 2: you two? The band called themselves feedback and the hype.

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Speaker 2: So uh, this time period of talking about the last seventy.

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Speaker 3: Is like the worst Buddy Cup.

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Speaker 2: Hype. So when punk broke in the UK, as you

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Speaker 2: correctly nailed, seventy seven, that's the year right now, do

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Speaker 2: you know which UK band is responsible for punk popping

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Speaker 3: Which one's responsible?

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Speaker 2: The one that people would say is, you know, the

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Speaker 2: the progenitor, the one that's most responsible. Others followed after it,

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Speaker 2: tell me the sex Pistols.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes they are.

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Speaker 2: They were the one, right, So what do we know

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Speaker 2: about Johnny Rotten said, Vicious and the.

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Speaker 3: Lads well an art project.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a lot of things I had. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So because the sex Pistols are, they're they're perhaps most

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Speaker 2: responsible for popularizing the look we associate with punk, right,

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Speaker 2: more so than anything.

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Speaker 3: But that's all that.

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Malcolm McLaren. Yeah, I'll get into that second with you.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of them, actually there's a couple. I'll

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Speaker 2: explain it anyway. But who are these guys? What do

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Speaker 2: they sound like? What was the whole point, like, if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't more than an art project. Well, the band

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Speaker 2: first formed back in nineteen seventy five, and as legendary

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Speaker 2: as they are, they didn't even last three full years

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Speaker 2: as a band, right. What they brought to punk rock, though,

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Speaker 2: is obviously still still relevant. So did they sound good?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that why everyone remembers them? No, they did not

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Speaker 2: sound good, right, that is not why they remember it.

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Speaker 2: Even if you judge them on like a sliding scale

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Speaker 2: of megered against other punk bands. They were not good, Like,

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Speaker 2: they were not good at playing their instruments. It didn't

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Speaker 2: really matter. I mean, this is also common in early punk. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but the sex Pistols what they had nailed down was

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Speaker 2: obviously the look, as I've mentioned, but also the attitude.

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Speaker 2: They were emblematic of that spitting, snarling, anti authoritarian heart

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Speaker 2: of early punk rock. Now safety Pins exactly exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pain and like also like adolescent

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Speaker 2: rage if you will, It's like, yeah, I'm looking what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing? Are you mad?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 2: The band only put out one studio album, right, called

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Speaker 2: never Mind the Bollocks. Here's the sex Pistols nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 2: As you pointed out, the album features Johnny Lyde aka

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Speaker 2: Johnny Rotten on vocals. They're Steve Jones on guitar, Paul

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Speaker 2: Cook on drums, and Glenn Mattlock on bass. Obviously, he'd

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Speaker 2: later be replaced by the iconic and musically far less

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Speaker 2: talented Sid Vicious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now in nineteen seventy two to Steve Jones and drummer

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Speaker 2: Paul Cook, they start playing together as teens. They always

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Speaker 2: boast about how they played on stolen musical instruments, very

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Speaker 2: punk rock. They formed this band called the Swankers than

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Speaker 2: they call and they change the name to the Strand.

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Speaker 2: And this is all very early seventies. There's this new

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Speaker 2: scene that's popping off as like Britain is kind of

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Speaker 2: switching over from the previous trends that have come back

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Speaker 2: as retro. It's been like twenty years long, but now

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Speaker 2: they've come back as retro. So in Chelsea neighborhood of London,

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Speaker 2: So he agrees to manage this employee, Glenn Mattlocke's band

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Speaker 2: with you know what, how about the sex Pistols. So

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: So the band's first gig is at an art school,

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Speaker 2: the Liverpool Five. They did it, and that's why maybe

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Speaker 2: it was like the Sex Pistols play a monkey song.

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. But anyway, so Vivian Westwood, the designer Malcolm McLaren.

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Speaker 2: So their first gig together is in February seventy six.

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Speaker 2: The show's reviewed in the music magazine Enemy n Emmy

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Speaker 2: quote we're not into music, We're into chaos. So even

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Speaker 2: Two months later, lead singer rhythm guitarists of the Class

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Speaker 2: of music. He decides, I'm gonna give myself over to this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: same month, the Sex Pistol Show, Vivian Westwood and Malcolm McLaren.

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Speaker 2: She's smart, right, he listens, he turns it into anarchy

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Speaker 2: floodgates of fame now are cracked open. Nineteen seventy seven

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Speaker 2: let's take a break, yes, and after they's messages, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to tell you how the sex Pistols try to

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Speaker 2: rock is breaking. So I'm want to take you back

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Speaker 2: to December one, nineteen seventy six. Okay, the snarling, rude,

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Speaker 2: a live TV broadcast to speak for themselves. Answer for

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Speaker 2: your antics. Boys, But everyone's been talking about you, and

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Speaker 2: now you got this chaos of imitators going around London

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Speaker 2: with pins in their noses and so you've unleashed chaos

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Speaker 2: But meanwhile, beforehand they're in the green room, they're offered

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Speaker 2: like a bunch of their girlfriends, So like Susie, Sue's there, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: the shopkeepers there, they're to like go and say give

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Speaker 2: gropes entourage. Yeah, so the band seated and the girls

438
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 2: are standing up behind them, and the guys talking to

439
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 2: the all they brought them on on set. Yeah, and

440
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 2: they're all drunk and they're all just like kind of

441
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 2: milling about and just like.

442
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 4: Eight ten of them, like Maury Povich kind.

443
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: Of like, oh, let's talk, use, let's get answers from them, yeah,

444
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 2: and shoving a mic in their face and answer for

445
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 2: this makeup. He did this makeup? Yeah, exactly, So Bill GRINDI, right,

446
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,959
Speaker 2: he wants to know about like this band and what

447
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,439
Speaker 2: they've offered to the UK culture, right, And he starts

448
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 2: trying to explain who they are to his audience who

449
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 2: may not know. And so he's like, they're punk rockers,

450
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 2: they're here, their heroes are not the nice, clean Rolling Stones.

451
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Now keep in mind this is nineteen seventy six, right,

452
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 2: The Rolling Stones are now considered clean, nice and clean.

453
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: I looked it up. One year earlier, Keith Richards was

454
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: busted in Arkansas for possession of cocaine and by the

455
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 2: passenger of the car said no, that's my coke. So

456
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: Keith Richards only gets busted for carrying a Hunting Knights.

457
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: There's no they had to call the British embassy to

458
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 2: get out of Arkansas, So what are we doing here?

459
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 3: Come on?

460
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 2: But anyway, the host Pillgrinder he's like, yeah, unlike the

461
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones, we all decided our nice friendly boys. What's

462
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: up with you lot? And so he's he admits that

463
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 2: he's gotten inebriated with the band backstage and he says, see,

464
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 2: they're as drunk as I am. This is the post

465
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: of the show.

466
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

467
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: So Grendy goes on to introduce them. They're a group

468
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: called the sex Pistols, and I'm surrounded now by all

469
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 2: of them. Just let us see the sex Pistols in action, right,

470
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: So it's very much the moriy Povitch thing. At this point,

471
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: Johnny Rotten he's like, okay, let me crank it up

472
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: to eleven. So early on in the interview, Johnny Rotten

473
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: mentions how the band they received an advance from the label,

474
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 2: and he's snarling all this. The guy like yeah, and

475
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 2: he's in. Then he meant, yeah, we spent it all

476
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: and he's like forty grand down the pissa, right, And

477
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: the guy was like, oh wow, it's a lot of money. Now.

478
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 2: For the next few minutes, this very British host is

479
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: trying to act taken aback by what they're doing, but

480
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: it's very sarcastic, so I don't quite get like the

481
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: whole point of it. He's trying to like maintain an

482
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: air above them. Anyway. At one point he calls it

483
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: Johnny Rotten. He's like, what did you just mutter there?

484
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: And all he said is the word, but Johnny Rotten

485
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: is like, oh it says it again right under his breath,

486
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: and then the host he's all sarcastic. He's like, oh, good,

487
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: heavens you frightened me to death, right, trying to like

488
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: undercut the pucks, and at this point they're like, oh yeah.

489
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: They just start cussing up a storm, right, and Bill

490
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: Grundy starts hitting on Susie Sue. He starts he starts

491
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: asking her because she's standing behind like Steve Jones, and

492
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: he's like asking her. He's like, yeah, your makeup is

493
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: that fully she got a full pain of makeup, He's

494
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: asking her. It's all exaggerated eye paint stuff. He starts

495
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: drunkenly flirting with the punk rock girl like asking. He

496
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: being like, come see her sometime and Steve Jones like

497
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: calls him a dirty sod, you dirty old man, you

498
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: dirty bastard, you dirty all right, it just goes after her, right,

499
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: So now the whole stage is chaos. And then Grundy's like,

500
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: oh what a clever boy. The whole exchange is very British, right,

501
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: use everybody's trying to like out in like, I don't know,

502
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: be more decent or indecent. It's all about decency. I

503
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: don't quite get punk rock craze is this point, This

504
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: is how it's breaking. This is what people are seeing

505
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 2: is foul mouth people. Anyway, this is nineteen seventy seven,

506
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: or actually it's still obviously December seventy six. This is

507
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: the spirit that's about to break over the UK. And

508
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: then some of the old people have to be watching this,

509
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 2: going we won the war for this, you know. Like

510
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: so anyway, the press is gobbling this up all across

511
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: the nations. Papers of the day. They mock the punks,

512
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: they mock their appearance on this show because everybody watches

513
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: the show. It's very popular in London. So after this

514
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: bizarre live broadcast Bill Grundy gets suspended for being drunk

515
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: and admitting he's drunk and like hitting on the punk

516
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: rock girl drunk and the dude never recovers from the scandal.

517
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: He basically loses his career after that interview. Yeah, the

518
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: sex Fistles pull him down at their level and beat

519
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: him with experience. Now, looking back on this Three Minutes

520
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: of Fame on British TV, Steve Jones said, quote, Grundy

521
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: was the big dividing line in the sex Pistol story.

522
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: Before it, we were all about the music, but from

523
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 2: then on it was all about the media. In some

524
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: ways is our finest moment, but in others it was

525
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: the beginning of the end in terms of the sex

526
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: Pistols having any kind of long term future. This sudden

527
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: acceleration was the worst thing that could possibly have happened. Now,

528
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: you notice I have not mentioned that Sid Vicious is

529
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: in this scene. He's still not in the band yet

530
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: we're still in the He doesn't join until seventy seven,

531
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: So now that's accelerated. They're like, what if we threw

532
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: in Sid Vicious? So, spurred on by their newfound fame, right,

533
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: the band announces it's UK Anarchy Tour. The clash opens

534
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: for them. Now Joe Strummers, he's got his band going.

535
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, but for you a lot. So anyway,

536
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: Anarchy in the UK is the band's first big single.

537
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: The lyrics are this angry rant against British conformity, mindless existence.

538
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, the first lines, I am man antie Christ,

539
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: I am man and our cheist. So fun fact, Johnny

540
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Rotten neither an anar kissed or the Antichrist. He's actually

541
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: very politically conservative these days, that's true. Anyway, he liked

542
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: the attention, so he says these words acting bad. That's

543
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: the whole thing for him. Now, despite this early buzz

544
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: hair on fire publicity, as they said, there's still the

545
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: one missing piece, sid Vicious. So enter my boyge, John Ritchie.

546
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: Now February seventy seven. Malcolm McLaren, the band's manager. Right,

547
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: he announces that Glenn Mattlock's been fired. He's leaving the band, right.

548
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: The reason makes no sense, but he claims that he's

549
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: a fan of Paul McCartney. Right here, So Steve Jones

550
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: confirms the story I found. He's like, yeah, Matt Locke

551
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: got fired. He goes quote he liked the Beatles, so

552
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: apparently that's like the least punk rock thing you can

553
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: do is like the Beatles, it's got so sixty seven.

554
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: So Sid Vicious, we got this subpar bass player and

555
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: playing with Susie Sue is her bass player. He's like,

556
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: you know a member of the band. Shees I suppose yeah,

557
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: So they She's like, yeah, why don't he play in

558
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: your band? So they hire him, right because they died.

559
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: He had the look. That was his qualification and that

560
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: was it. Johnny Ron's everyone agreed he had the look,

561
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: so not bass playing skills whatever. In fact, Johnny Rotten

562
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: also said, I quote the first rehearsals with Sid were hellish,

563
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: like literally, these are people who don't care about the music.

564
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: That is too badlucient and your hair's all over the place,

565
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: perfect get over here.

566
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Sid Vicious. Also, Johnny rottens he's a

567
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: comrade in arms. If ever there's somebody who wants to

568
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: just mess up a scene, yeh, it's this cat right,

569
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: Oh love to throw fits, Yeah, totally debauch.

570
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 5: Right.

571
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: In his first gigs with the band, he gets arrested

572
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: because he hits a girl in the face with a

573
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: pint glass that he's just hucked across a venue. Nice Yeah,

574
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: gets arrested, has to do time behind bars. They get

575
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: none of the band's got to wait for their new

576
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: bass player to get back out. They do, They play

577
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: more shows. Then he's at it again. He takes a

578
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: bike chain to a rock critic from Enemy magazine.

579
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

580
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: So then that leads to this, not just the sex Pistols,

581
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: but all punk bands getting banned from this club.

582
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: Right.

583
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: So then eventually this is what Malcolm McLaren wants. He says,

584
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: this is perfect. This guy's oh my god, he's amazing, right,

585
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: truly tasteless, shameless, bad.

586
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: Boy, this puppet master.

587
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah exactly, he's so at this point,

588
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Malcolm McLaren, he's like talking about bragging about his said

589
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: Vicious pickup, and he says, quote, when Sid joined he

590
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: couldn't play guitar, but his craziness fitted into the structure

591
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: of the band. He's got his final fitting piece now

592
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: he knows ready to roll, right, He's like Sid Vicious

593
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: like like Jello for this, Well, Jello, if Jello could

594
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: give you a communicable disease, you know, like he's gonna

595
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: fit right in there. Yeah. So March is seventy seven,

596
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: the band signs with a new label, A Big One

597
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: A and M Records. They hold a press conference outside

598
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace because of the old anarchy in the UK.

599
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: Thing it's good branding, Elizabeth Malcolm McLaren knows one thing

600
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: good brandes.

601
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Yes.

602
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: So after the press conference, the band the AMM executives.

603
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: They go back to the an M offices to celebrate.

604
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: Sid Vicious gets drunk and then he starts to verbally

605
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: attack the employees of the label. He destroys a toilet

606
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: and I don't mean like he didn't like clog it,

607
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: he like breaks it and shatters it. Right later, the

608
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: band's at a club, Johnny Rottens and a friend of his.

609
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: They get into it with some people from the label

610
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: and eventually I don't know what what was done, but

611
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 2: the label drops the sex pistols before a month of

612
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: the contract is done. So now it's like maybe two

613
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: weeks so the band, by the way, has already recorded

614
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: and pressed their new single, God Saved the Queen twenty

615
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: five thousand records they pressed the labels like don't care,

616
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much it costs destroy them all, to

617
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 2: destroy almost all twenty five I guess you can find

618
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: a few of them survived the destruction. Yeah, so at

619
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 2: this point, keep in mind sid Visius has yet to

620
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: record with them. He's like, he's just bad playing his

621
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: first shows with them. So in March twenty eighth, they're

622
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: playing shows. It's at seventy seven, they're rolling along. The

623
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: band also has been dropped by their label. Their second

624
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: single's been destroyed. They have no path forward other than

625
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: publicity for their antics. So what do you think they do?

626
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: More of publicity for the antics or antics.

627
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: And they get an enabler. Richard Branson steps in. Yeah,

628
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: the billionaire bad boy at the time, he's a rich

629
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: kid brit who likes things that make his parents nervous. Right, So,

630
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: being young and rich, he started a magazine and later

631
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: a record shop, and then in seventy two he launches

632
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: his own record label from the record shop, called it

633
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Virgin Records. Now the Sex Pistols. He's like, there it is.

634
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: He sees what Malcolm McLaren see.

635
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: He loves the like, ain't hi stink?

636
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: He's exactly that guy. So he also he can see

637
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: the youth market and the dollar seven So ransom he

638
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: jumps aboard this crazy pirate ship. Right, So he signed

639
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: the band to his label in May of seventy seven.

640
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Now it's the band's third label in less than six months.

641
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: They're finally ready for the big time. Though punk rock

642
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: is now about to break, the moral panic is going

643
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: to spread from the UK shores. The Sex Pistols record

644
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: God Save the Queen in October of seventy six before

645
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: remember I said, but the single hadn't released it because

646
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: I got destroyed. So Elizabeth, this is when Sarendippity strikes.

647
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: The story I wanted to tell you today is about

648
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: when the punks came for the Queen of England. Well,

649
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: turns out seventy seven was the Silver Jubilee year in

650
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. The Silver Jubilee is the twenty fifth

651
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: anniversary of Queen Elizabeth. The second Coronation. Yeah, remember the

652
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: coronation chair and the stolen.

653
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: Stone is stone Coronation Chicken.

654
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 2: Which is chicken exactly, just like how those Scots they

655
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: stole the Coronation Share. The punks kind of want to

656
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: do the same thing, but for punk instead of for Scotland. Yeah,

657
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: they're like, how do we shame the Queen? How do

658
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: we shame the Royalty? So they decide they feel their

659
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: new anthem, the single will be a perfect way to

660
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: mock the royal family during the Silver Jubilee. It is

661
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: all right, they we're going to cut the Queen down

662
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: to their size. The question is is how could the

663
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: sex Pistols capitalize on the Silver Jubilee attention around the

664
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: Queen to get some of that sweet sweet attention for themselves?

665
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: Right again, Malcolm McLaren's like branding yeah, and Richard Branson's like,

666
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. So the label, his label starts

667
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: cranking out sex Pistols new single. Right. They immediately run

668
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: into a problem with that. The folks who work at

669
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: the label record pressing plant, they see this whole God

670
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: Save the Queen and the cuver They're like no, they

671
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: go on strike. They refuse because the cover for God

672
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: Save the Queen has a portrait of Queen Elizabeth like

673
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: basically from the money, and it's just got on top

674
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: of it cut out letters like ransom note of fixed

675
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: letters that cover her face and it says like God

676
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Save the Queen and sex Pistols yeah. And the factory

677
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: workers are like, this is disrespect of our queen, Like

678
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: oh to They form a work stoppage, right, and they

679
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: refuse to work on this abomination, So Richard Branson's got

680
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: to do a workaround. Eventually, the album gets pressed just

681
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: in time for the Silver Jubilee coronation. Right, it's celebrated

682
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: for four months. They started in February, it lasted till June.

683
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: There's TV celebrations, plan performances, reveries, all sorts of stuff. Right,

684
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: the big day, yes, exactly, and then like marching with

685
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: the horses and.

686
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: The carriage and exactly a balcony.

687
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: Oh, let's put a play on to sing some silly songs. Flex.

688
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: So the big day is gonna be June ninth. Right.

689
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: The single for God's Saved the Queen comes out at

690
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: the end of May, on May twenty seven, just in

691
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: time for people to learn the words right response. On

692
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: May thirty. First, the BBC bans the song from TV.

693
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: From the radio stations BBC one, BBC two, all the station.

694
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: We had Sea Lands, yes on all their compatriots.

695
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that's too. They start radio, they start

696
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: pumping this song. It gets out to the people, so

697
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: they hear the God say of the Queen, that fascist regime.

698
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: She ain't no human being. And there's no future in

699
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: England's dreaming right. Everyone's like, oh, what's that's so true?

700
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: Backlash official bans all this. The song debuts at number

701
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: two on the Record Charts. They could not stop it. Wow,

702
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: it was second only to a song by Rod Stewart.

703
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: The title was I don't want to talk about it.

704
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: He didn't want to talk about it.

705
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: It's such a Rod Stewart line. I don't want to

706
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: talk I don't want to talk about even if it's

707
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: like the most inert thing, you just get the idea.

708
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to talk about it.

709
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: He just wants to kick soccer balls into stadium.

710
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Totally and feel forever young. So colorine. To Malcolm McLaren,

711
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: the record label CBS Records, they were distributing both singles,

712
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: the Rod Stewart one and the sex Pistols single, and

713
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: the execs told him that the sex Pistols were out

714
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: selling Rod Stewart two to one, but they don't want

715
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: to yeah, and McLaren maintained this, and there is evidence

716
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: to support his claim that the British Phonographic Institute manipulated

717
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: data so that the sex Pistols God Save the Queen

718
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: would not be number one during Coronation Week for her.

719
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: You know.

720
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: Every brit I know, and I know a fair number

721
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: you do, no matter what your age. They're so keyed

722
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: in on popular music. Yeah, and I can see people

723
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: just wanting to be a part of the history of

724
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: it and buying it.

725
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes, and they do that also with the Christmas songs,

726
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: like which is the number one song at It's always

727
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: like a fight to push one song at the top

728
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah, anyway, so not to be done by

729
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: those collusion and conspiracy. Malcolm McLaren is one more trick

730
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: up his provocateur's sleeve. He's gonna get all the UK

731
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: talking about the sex pistols one way or another. So

732
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: he plans to charter a boat trip nice. Yeah, he

733
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: thinks of nice riverboat crews along the Thames might do

734
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: some good for everyone, right, and he's like, maybe clear

735
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: their heads, let me shake off some of these street drugs. No,

736
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: not really at all, Elizabeth. Now you might be thinking,

737
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: why would a literal boatload of punks cruising the river

738
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Thames be a good idea.

739
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: For a publicity Because it's an antic.

740
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint. The Houses of Parliament and

741
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: the Westminster Pier are located on the River Thames.

742
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: That is very true. Yes, that is true.

743
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: Not only that, but two days after the sex Pistols

744
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: plan their river cruise, the Queen of the UK, Queen Elizabeth,

745
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: would mark her silver jubilee with a riverboat cruise of

746
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: her own. Yeah. So the sex Pistols like, what if

747
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: we upstaged the Queen on our own damn river? Oh wow, Yeah,

748
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: let's take a break, Elizabeth. After these ads, we will

749
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: load up the river boat and take it out with Johnny,

750
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: Sid Susie, Sue, Malcolm McLaren and all the rest of

751
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: the last.

752
00:33:47,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 6: I cannot wait, Elizabeth, Aron, We're back.

753
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: So the fateful day June seventh, nineteen seventy seven, two

754
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: days before the Queen celebrates her big silver jubilee, Yeah,

755
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: Malcolm McLaren charters a riverboat for his punk rock cruise.

756
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: The boat's name Queen Elizabeth. Oh perfect a kid you

757
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: not name for the first one, not the new one.

758
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Now alongside of the river boat is a huge banner

759
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: that they like, unfurl red letters, yellow background. The banner

760
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: reads Queen Elizabeth the new single by the sex Pistols.

761
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: God Save the Queen. And it's like it's addressed directly

762
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: to the monarchy. Hey, Queen Elizabeth Lady. Yeah, So on

763
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: the boat, Richard Branson, He's got a makeshift stage constructed.

764
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: He also invites his gang of press. There's music critics, writers,

765
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: newspaper men, photographers, a film crew to document it all.

766
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: Susie Sue's there, Cavivian Westwood, like all these cool kids.

767
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: According to Tony Parsons, journalist for music outlet Enemy, he

768
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: witnesses Johnny Rotten just shoveling amphetamines into his head before

769
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: the show. Right, That gets the singer. I'll keyed up

770
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: and on edge now, as Parsons put it, and I

771
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: love this quote, you get a kind of vampiric beauty

772
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: if you take that much speed and unearthly glamour. The

773
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: downside is that you can't sleep for seventy two hours.

774
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: He was a glutton for the chemicals.

775
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god, vampiric right wow.

776
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: So now that Johnny Rotten has got that good vampiric glow,

777
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: going sweating speed through his pores and grinding his teeth

778
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: into pebbles, ready to fight anyone, is it showtime? Not yet? Elizabeth,

779
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: because the band wants to wait for two things, nightfall

780
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: and to be right in front of the Houses of

781
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: Parliament aka the seat of government. So for hours the

782
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: bandmates in the press, they get drunk and they get

783
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: high on this slow riverboat cruise waiting to get into position.

784
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: So they're just gobbling speed, getting drunk on strong liquor,

785
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: recording quotes for the press. You name it, right, John

786
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: Savage from the go he summarizes the scene looking back

787
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: from the safety of distance in time, and he says,

788
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: and a quote, the atmosphere on the boat was paranoid

789
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: and claustrophobic, but also very exciting. So that's his general observation.

790
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: Specifically, I keep trying to imagine what that must have.

791
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh it crammed.

792
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: Like a publicity stunt, with all of these unhidd.

793
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: Chaotic energy, unhinged people trying to work their hardest and

794
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: make other people look and turn their way. Yeah so

795
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yes, and the just wanton destruction of like, oh,

796
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: hurt somebody just to get some attention. Watch the glasses flying.

797
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: So John Savage in The Guardian he also said, and

798
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: I quote, imagine being stuck on a boat for three

799
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: hours with people you don't like taking speed. The weather

800
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: issue and police are surrounding you. It must have been

801
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: an absolute nightmare. He's right with you. So at this

802
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: point the sun goes down and now the real party starts. Elizabeth.

803
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: The riverboat passes under the tower Bridge, it continues along

804
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: the river. Were headed to the Houses of Parliament. The

805
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: band starts to set up. They tune up. It sat

806
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: familiar sonic attack of just poor instrumentation. The band, though,

807
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: appears ready, so you couldn't tell, but it must be

808
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: ready right now. According to Allen Jones, a music journalist

809
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: from Melody Maker, the police showed up before the sex

810
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: pistols even started playing. When I say the police, I

811
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: mean police boat. They're now chaperoning the river boat. They're

812
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: alongside right, So Steve Jones puts it quote shortly before

813
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: the pistols played, police boats started circling us as we

814
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: approached Parliament. I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else

815
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: at that moment. Yeah, So, Malcolm McLaren, Richard Branson, they're

816
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: watching their like this. I don't know this matching pair

817
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: of vampiric provocateurs, right, these opportunistic capitalist guys just watching

818
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: the scene. They're like with their like strings on their marionettes.

819
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: They're like dance right, They're all excited, and then they

820
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: spy the Houses of Parliament coming into view. It's all happening.

821
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: So one of them gives the band the c start

822
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: the show, right, the journalists imagine like you're on this

823
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: hellish riverboat and now it gets loud. Now they start playing,

824
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: and Johnny Rotten's just sangy. Right, it's just horrendous. Right,

825
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: Malcolm McLaren is like smiling, Vivian Westwood is smiling. Kids

826
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: start pogo dancing, right, but right, let me tell you

827
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: about this, Elizabeth. I like you to close your eyes,

828
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: and I'd like you to picture it a lizzard though.

829
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: You are vi Van Westwood and you are on a

830
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: riverboat on the River Thames. There's a crowd all around you,

831
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: and all of you are waiting for the band to finish.

832
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Setting up above the stage your tiny union jack flags.

833
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: You are wearing a vinyl a line dress. Your hair

834
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: is bright red and tied up with torn ribbons and lace.

835
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: At the moment, you're sipping on a high ball with

836
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: god knows what your friend and partner, Malcolm McLaren, shouts

837
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: something into your ear, but all you can hear is

838
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: the feedback wine is the band finishes at sound check,

839
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: you shake your head to indicate you can't hear a

840
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: thing he's sang, and then the band starts to play.

841
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: So the punk rock is wow, the feedback distorted out front.

842
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: Johnny Rotten lean over the mic and spits and sings

843
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: at the crowd in that whiny snarl of a voice.

844
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: Kids pogo dance and bounced near you, into you, spilling

845
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 2: your drink. The energy is manic chaot at Pure Sex Pistols,

846
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: you look out the window of the riverboat and you

847
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: see the Houses of Parliament on the shore. As Johnny

848
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: Rotten starts to sneer and sing the first lines of

849
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: anarchy in the UK, it feels perfect, all that anger

850
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: and frustration aimed right where it belongs. The Sex Pistols

851
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: start their next song with even more raw energy. The

852
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: song is pretty vacant, and that's when you see the

853
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: police boats alongside the riverboat are moving into position. Johnny

854
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Rotten also sees the police boats.

855
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 7: He screens the lyrics for the next song, No fun

856
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 7: right at the Cops. This whole riverboat protest crews could

857
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: not be more iconic, you think to yourself. As you

858
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 7: down the last of your drink, you feel the boat

859
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 7: then ings to the side. It seems the whole.

860
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: Riverboat is getting pulled over by the police. The boat

861
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: pulls to a dock, ties off, and then all hell

862
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: truly breaks lush the band to stop playing. The crowd

863
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: is in a panic and starts to flee through the

864
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: on rushing police swarming onto the boat. You look and

865
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: Malcolm McLaren looks at you. You both nod. You know

866
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: what to do. You throw yourselves at the police to

867
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: stop them from reaching the sex pistols. Paul Cook, the drummer,

868
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: starts throwing drumsticks at the police. Malcolm McLaren says to

869
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: fight the cups, but he gets knocked down and beaten

870
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: with billy clubs. You are shoved onto a table, Glasses

871
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: go flying. It's total pandemonium. Then the lights go out,

872
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: the big boat engines fall silent. There's just the crowd

873
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: and the police fighting. As you're dragged off the boat

874
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: by police, you see Richard Branson talking to the boat

875
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: on a flank by Bobby's. He tells Richard Branson he

876
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: can terminate the boat rental contract whenever he likes for misbehavior.

877
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: The last thing you hear as you're let off the

878
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: riverboat is the smug boat owner say, wow, you didn't

879
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: read the fine print, did you?

880
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 5: Oh?

881
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: Anarchy in the UK? Indeed, Elizabeth. So there you have it,

882
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: your moment of punk rock history. And I gotta say,

883
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: you never expect punk rock history to involve a leisurely

884
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: English boat crewise. But what's the result of all this

885
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: planned mayhem?

886
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: Right?

887
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: What does it work well? For? One? Richard Branson loses

888
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: his five hundred pounds deposit just right away? Did not

889
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: read the fine print? Now? The journalist Tony Parsons from

890
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: Enemy He tells it quote. We were all surprised at

891
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: just how rough the police were when they came on board.

892
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: So after a token protest, we all went quietly into

893
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: the night, apart from McLaren, who came down the gangplank

894
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: screaming in their faces. The police took him to one

895
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: side and gave him the worst beating I've ever seen

896
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: anybody given, Oh, Mark Malcolm, Yeah, so the beating of

897
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: their manager is one result. The sex pistols also then

898
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: were able to load up their gear and blend into

899
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: the crowd, they slip past the police. Yeah, because all

900
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: the punks and their posse all look as similar to

901
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: the cops. They can't tell them from one said vicious

902
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: from Johnny nobody. So it's hard to know a music

903
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: journalist from a band member. Basically right. So eleven riverboat passengers, though,

904
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: get arrested. Malcolm McLaren obviously is busted. He's arrested in

905
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: charge with such a British crime quote using insulting words

906
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: likely to provoke a breach of the peace. Yes Na,

907
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: this is so rude. So his partner in business, Akau

908
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: Vivian Westwood, gets charged with obstructing a policeman. Others catch

909
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: charges of assault, obstruction, threatening behavior. Now, two days later,

910
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth does indeed take her leisurely riverboat cruise to

911
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: celebrate her silver jubilee in mark twenty five years of

912
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: her rule. And on that June ninth, no punk music

913
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: is blasted at the Monarch. Nothing happens, but somehow it's

914
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: like the river it's been sully been tainted. Everyone's still

915
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: talking about it and it's just hanging over like a

916
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: bad smell. The British press they're nuts, right, So anyway,

917
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: the crazy part. At this point, many in the country

918
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: get pissed. They get mad at these punks. How dare

919
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: they Sully are Queen? Yeah, they come after the sex Pistols.

920
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking like just the Royalist, but the

921
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: band finds themselves playing a daily game of stab like

922
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: anywhere they go. Older rockers, rockabilly, these ton up boys,

923
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: teddy boys, all the older cats decide we're gonna defend

924
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: the Queen from these no good punk toys, and they

925
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: go after them. Johnny Rodden gets stabbed outside a pub.

926
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: Day later, Paul Cook gets beaten up outside.

927
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 4: It may not have been politically motivated. It could just

928
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: be that these guys had, you know, we're stabbable.

929
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: Three days later, Johnny Rotten gets beaten up again, also

930
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: playing a losing game of stable. They weren't getting beaten

931
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: up like this before. Usually they were like, you know,

932
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: like throwing the blows, throwing the glasses. Now it's coming

933
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: back at them all summer. The sex Pistols are targets

934
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: of violence, right. It gets so bad in August they

935
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: publicize their gigs in the UK using the name Spots

936
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: aka sex Pistols on tour secretly, oh wow. Yeah. At

937
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: the same time, over the summer, they're recording the final

938
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: tracks for their first studio album. October twenty eighth, nineteen

939
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: seventy seven, the album is dropped. Never mind the balls,

940
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: here's the sex Pistols. Everyone's like, no way, this is nuts.

941
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: Debut is number one on the UK charts. Yeah, right

942
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: this time nothing nobody can stop them all the way

943
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: up all right now. They don't know it, but the

944
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: band has just three more months of life. Yeah. On

945
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: Christmas Day, the band plays the show at a benefit

946
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: for firemen who are on strike Mary Punk Rock. The

947
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: benefit is to raise money for the fireman's families for

948
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: they to feed their kids. So the last show they'll

949
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: ever play in the UK. That's it now. After that,

950
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: the year, decades later they reunite. I'm not talking about

951
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: it now. Since they're getting stabbed at and they can't

952
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: play live shows in the UK, they go. After their

953
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: whole Queen Jubilee riverboat publicity debacle, they go, why don't

954
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: we go over to America? Maybe they'll like us in

955
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: the States. Now, it's supposed to be a nine day

956
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: tour in January. Last seven shows this tour. The first

957
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be a much longer tour, but

958
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Steve Jones wasn't allowed into the United States. He could

959
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 2: not get a visa because of his criminal rap sheet

960
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: at this point, right, So the delay costs the bands

961
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: their Northeast States. So when they finally let Jones come

962
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: into the US and they let the sex Pistols play,

963
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: they arrive for their gigs in the American South in

964
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: January nineteen seventy eight, tough, soe Elizabeth, the South was

965
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: not ready for punk rock. In nineteen seventy eight, Oh Memphis,

966
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Baton Rouge, San Antonio, Dallas, Oh my God, and Memphis,

967
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Sid Vicious is arrested after he's wandering around looking like

968
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: Sid Vicious and also trying to buy heroin off the street.

969
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: Also in Memphis, did Vicious is beaten up by his

970
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: own security guards because Warner Brothers paid for them to

971
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: be safe and he paid private security, like we need

972
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: them to not get stabbed over here. And then he's like, Okay,

973
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: well I'm going to fight these guys. So yeah, the

974
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: plan backfired. So then in San Antonio, Texas, the now

975
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: desperate heroin junkie said Vicious carves the words give me

976
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: a fix into the flesh of his chest and plays

977
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: the gig shirtless so everybody can see that he needs heroin. Yeah, exactly.

978
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: Now you know that's going to go down well. In Texas,

979
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: he also hit a crowd member in the head with

980
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: his bass for getting I don't know, too handsy with him.

981
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: He's damn sure Lucky wasn't killed in Texas. In Dallas,

982
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: there's a very famous photo. It's a huge sign outside

983
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: of a parking lot for the Long Horn Ballroom that

984
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: there's this marquee and at the center this eight foot

985
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: tall statue of a steer with two like wagon wheels inside.

986
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: The marquet announces tonight sex pistols. January nineteenth, Merle Haggard.

987
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: That's how that projuxtaposition Mama tried. Now I've got Dallas show.

988
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: Sid Vicious would go on to uh spit blood at

989
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: a woman in the crowd. But it wasn't his fault, Elizabeth, Okay,

990
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: it was his fault, but he didn't start it. The

991
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: young woman climbed up on the stage and to be

992
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: extra punk, she just punched sid Vicious square in the

993
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: face and then he like spit the blood from his

994
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: split lip right back at her face. Yeah, very puncked.

995
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: Now keep in mind this dude is still on crazy

996
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Heroin withdraws, and so he's like out there like feeling

997
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: like warmed over death right, which me again may explain

998
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: why he's fighting security guards in a little irritable anyway.

999
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: Can you guess where their last gig was? What American

1000
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: city they went through?

1001
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: Through the South? Did they make it out of it?

1002
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: They made to the west.

1003
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: They made it to the West.

1004
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: It was a Winterline ballroom in San Francisco. Yes, January fourteenth,

1005
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. Johnny Rotten is so pissed at the

1006
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: band and Malcolm McLaren sid Vish, He's really pissed and

1007
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: then all the Americans for treating him like a punk

1008
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: rock star. Their final show is just barely memorable, but

1009
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: it's their final show, but well they're done, right. The

1010
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: band travels after that to La sid Visius goes back

1011
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: to New York and while he's there, he gets himself

1012
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: some methodone and and some valuable Yeah, and he's like

1013
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: trying to like I think he tried to do like

1014
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: an amateur hour kick of Heroin because he's got methodone

1015
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: in Vallium anyway, he ends up in the hospital. Johnny

1016
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: Rotten flies out to visit them in the hospital and

1017
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: sid Visius is there. The next day, Johnny Rotten tells

1018
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: the press sex Pistols are done as a band. That's it.

1019
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 6: Boom.

1020
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: So Johnny Rotten phones Richard Brandson's like, could you flow

1021
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: me home? And then he sends them, gives him money,

1022
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: and that's it. Sex Pistols over and done. This period

1023
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: of time is perhaps I think most valuable to Richard

1024
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: Branson because this is how Richard Branson got his reputation

1025
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: as a bad boy of the business world. Right, He's

1026
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: like his early association with the sex Pistols, It's like, oh, man,

1027
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: so he's already always you tried to point out, keeps

1028
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: out that edge.

1029
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, money well spent for He's like, oh, I'm.

1030
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: A punk rock billionaire. But Richard, I've got bad news.

1031
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: Being a billionaire isn't punk rock.

1032
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 4: Ever, In no way is it punk rock. But it

1033
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: is like to have them kind of flame out like that.

1034
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: Just oh totally adds.

1035
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 3: To the total.

1036
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: It's very legendary. Yeah, so there you go. The Silver

1037
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: Jubilee riverboat moment is the crowning moment. Of the UK

1038
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: punk rock movement. And it's also the moment that they

1039
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: broke the sex Pistols because they never recovered from that.

1040
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: They went up against the Queen and they lost. I

1041
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, if you're gonna come for the Queen, you

1042
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: best not miss so those you know. Anyway, So I

1043
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: did see this one quote that I liked. It explained

1044
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: why the sex Pistols last so much. And it's not

1045
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: just the attitude and the look. I mean, that's very

1046
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: much it, but there's something else that unifies them or

1047
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: a goose gives them a little jug that other bands

1048
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: don't have. And so I found this outlet, Punks and Pinstripes.

1049
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily recommend it as an outlet for punk

1050
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: rock culture, but I did like this quote and they

1051
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: said punk is an act of love, not war. There's

1052
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: a good reason why people are still energized with the

1053
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: sex Pistols, and most people have never heard of gg Allen.

1054
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: The sex Pistols gave voice to a nationally repressed anti

1055
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: authority sentiment. Gg Allen, on the other hand, harmed himself

1056
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: and others on stage in service of no greater cause.

1057
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: There's a difference between purposeful punk and creating a spectacle.

1058
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: And so there you go. That's why their defiant stance

1059
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: against the queen and authority of so forth is lasting

1060
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 2: more so than the antics of Sid Vicious and Johnny

1061
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: Rotten and Steve Jones. So what's sor ridiculous take away here, Elizabeth?

1062
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: You know, I think like as we look at the

1063
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: way that everything is cyclical, the widening gyre and such.

1064
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: Historically, you look at like where.

1065
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: England was in seventy seven and through the eighties.

1066
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: And like Thatcher years and totally.

1067
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: That you need this kind of outlet and you need

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Speaker 4: you know, the sex Pistols weren't truly political, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's like they're the manufactured for this, but you look

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Speaker 4: at all the other acts.

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Speaker 2: What followed them, and then take a did ticket seriously.

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Speaker 4: The clash exactly and uh, you know, and like the

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Speaker 4: kind of working class ethos of it, all of fighting

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Speaker 4: punching up.

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Speaker 2: Totally or like the POGs would make it attached to

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Speaker 2: a real political movement.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and but just you know, you look at bands

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Speaker 4: like Stiff Little Fingers and like x Ray Specsors in

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Speaker 4: Anger and it may not be like fully political, but

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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's there so anyway, so you see

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Speaker 4: like how there's this evolution now where like punk keeps

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Speaker 4: coming back up at a time when when there's like this.

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Speaker 3: Difficult energy.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'll just to be kind. And I noticed

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Speaker 4: that a lot of my friends are like we're quoting

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Speaker 4: songs and even not even just like straight punk, but

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Speaker 4: you go to like Rage against the Machine. You're quoting

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Speaker 4: these things to kind of get through a crazy time.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like we're about to get like some

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Speaker 4: really great bands out of it, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Like like I just I want that defiance. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at your laptop with your rancid Dropkick Murphy's Boston to

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Speaker 4: Berkeley there, and I'm thinking about, like, you know, political messages,

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Speaker 4: and those are not even the most political bands by far,

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Speaker 4: but you know, we it has to be something that's accessible.

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Speaker 4: And when I say political, about partisan politics, but the

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Speaker 4: politics of being a human being, being respected and having

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Speaker 4: everyone get a chance at stuff like you were saying, billionaires,

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Speaker 4: not punk.

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Speaker 2: Rhytal, politics of ethics, politics.

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Speaker 3: Of money, right, And so I think that that's my takeaways.

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to see I pray we're going

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Speaker 4: to see really good music come out of these crazy

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Speaker 4: times totally.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Minor doesn't thank you for asking. Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Takeaway is, if Johnny Rotten can do it, so can I?

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Speaker 3: You know exactly.

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Speaker 2: I've just told myself that numerous times in life. Johnny

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Speaker 2: Rotten can do it, so can I.

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Speaker 8: I just keep thinking of is it the Henry Rollins

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Speaker 8: quote where he's like Joe Strummer prepared us for this totally?

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Speaker 8: Or I just find myself also singing a lot of

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Speaker 8: billy bragged.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, Union forever, we gotta do it.

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Speaker 2: Power in the Land, Power in the Union. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: well appreciated. Can you give us a talk back as

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Speaker 2: I share him in the dude?

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Speaker 8: Oh god, I want cheat.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Elizabeth, Hey's Aaron.

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Speaker 5: I just want you to know that this morning it

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Speaker 5: was kind of crappy, but I heard the bad to

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Speaker 5: the bone riff across the store Inner Chrome, and I

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Speaker 5: just couldn't help but smile. Thinking of a leather clad

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Speaker 5: vampire punching cheeks sounds terrible, but it made me. Maybe

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Speaker 5: it made my morning made me laugh so much. Anyways,

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Speaker 5: Love you guys, see you.

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Speaker 2: What a great moment.

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Speaker 8: That's amazing, and it's now made by Day seriously it

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Speaker 8: was a circle and came all was, look.

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Speaker 3: If we're just spreading it? Yeah, oh my god, I

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Speaker 3: gotta tell trap about.

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