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Speaker 2: great weekend. Gangs all here refreshed, ready to go Fritzy
Speaker 2: of course the Minister of Humor and inadvertently accidentally provided
Speaker 2: some humor in the first hour of the program as
Speaker 2: we learned that bears apparently can spawn. I thought that
Speaker 2: only samon could, but Todd found out that bears can
Speaker 2: spawn in video games. In video games, yeah, seems to go.
Speaker 3: To the next level of research. And that's something that
Speaker 3: could happen maybe in a video game, but not in
Speaker 3: real life.
Speaker 2: Really not in real life bears they don't spawn. They
Speaker 2: just have cups. They hybridate and have cups.
Speaker 4: There's no eggs involved, I guess or something.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works.
Speaker 2: But thank you Todd. You continue to add value to
Speaker 2: that NYU educre.
Speaker 3: It is yes, that gonna have you back to make
Speaker 3: a speech or you know, send the graduates on their way.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they would have you come back for
Speaker 2: a commencement speech.
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten anything yet from them corresponding success more money.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be waiting at the at the mail box.
Speaker 4: That's all they're looking for.
Speaker 2: Long commencement speech, A long, long commencement speech. So Fritzy
Speaker 2: is here, Seaton, mar Paul yours truly the brg's We'll
Speaker 2: talk to Jim Jackson covering the NBA playoffs, the Fox
Speaker 2: Turner basketball analyst. The Knicks are two and a half
Speaker 2: point underdogs of the Pacers coming up tonight. The Thunder
Speaker 2: up three to one on the Timberwolves. As SGA gets
Speaker 2: his MVP and then acts like one and gets forty
Speaker 2: points eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by,
Speaker 2: we'll get some more phone calls, your best and worst
Speaker 2: of the weekend. By the way, it was on this
Speaker 2: date back in nineteen eighty one, and it was a
Speaker 2: big moment. And I remember it because I got a
Speaker 2: chance to watch this guy play, but the rest of
Speaker 2: the country did not really get a chance to see
Speaker 2: him play. Doctor j won the MVP in the ABA,
Speaker 2: and on this date in nineteen eighty one, won the
Speaker 2: MVP in the NBA. There's a couple of players who
Speaker 2: missed their window to showcase their greatness. Elgin Baylor was
Speaker 2: one of the first longtime Laker great. I think that
Speaker 2: Kareem Abdul Jabbar lu Al Sindor when he was with
Speaker 2: the Bucks, when he was first starting out. Oscar Robertson
Speaker 2: spent most of his career in Cincinnati. Only known for
Speaker 2: one thing, and that's the triple double, but he was
Speaker 2: so much more than that. Jerry West, his playing career
Speaker 2: was unbelievable, but he kept losing in the finals. He
Speaker 2: only won one title. Wilt Chamberlain's different. You know, Wilt
Speaker 2: was Babe Ruth with the NBA. But Doctor J was
Speaker 2: one of those players that there was just nobody like him.
Speaker 2: And he wasn't as refined as you know, some of
Speaker 2: the great players, but you know, as far as athleticism
Speaker 2: on the break, dunking on people transition was, he was spectacular.
Speaker 2: And I go back to that Portland Trail Blazer series
Speaker 2: when the seventy six ers what two games to none
Speaker 2: on Bill Walton and the Blazers, and you know, I
Speaker 2: think we thought it was going to be a sweep
Speaker 2: and then it was Portland won four in a row
Speaker 2: and Doctor J was unbelievable in that series. Unbelievable. And
Speaker 2: that was a sixer team that had stars, maybe too
Speaker 2: many stars, but Doc was he was just different. He
Speaker 2: was at a different level. And to have seen him
Speaker 2: in the ABA two games. I saw him play one
Speaker 2: against the Kentucky Colonels, but it was just different. You
Speaker 2: didn't have somebody. I had not seen somebody like him
Speaker 2: when he came along, but he just he missed out
Speaker 2: on that window of opportunity. And I'm trying to think,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other players, but those are the ones
Speaker 2: that come to mind where you go God that if
Speaker 2: you look back, nobody was doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5: Yes, I just remember being a kid and seeing Doctor
Speaker 5: J and being like, WHOA, that dude is different. That's
Speaker 5: amazing what he's doing. And then that seemed to in
Speaker 5: my mind anyway, handed right off to like Dominique Wilkins,
Speaker 5: where it was like, did you see that guy dunk?
Speaker 2: That was unbelievable.
Speaker 5: They were just doing things that nobody else seemed to
Speaker 5: even understand.
Speaker 2: And growing up in a small town in Ohio, we
Speaker 2: would read about this. You'd read about Doctor J that
Speaker 2: he went to Rutger Park and he's playing in the
Speaker 2: league and dunking on people and dominating, and you know,
Speaker 2: you're just Crowds would come out to see him that
Speaker 2: you know, they'd be on buildings, they were in trees,
Speaker 2: they were however, you could get a glimpse of Doctor J.
Speaker 2: And it became so powerful of And I remember they
Speaker 2: were playing a preseason game in Cincinnati and got to
Speaker 2: go over and see him. And I just remember watching
Speaker 2: him and lay up line. So I'd go down on
Speaker 2: the floor and I would just be underneath the basket.
Speaker 2: I'd just be standing there, not like right under but
Speaker 2: behind it, by the stanchion they call it. And I
Speaker 2: just watched him just everything about him, and he had
Speaker 2: these massive hands and he just he seemed to float.
Speaker 2: But he missed out on that. Now he's one of
Speaker 2: the all time greats. He's not mentioned. When's the last
Speaker 2: time Doctor J was mentioned in the top fifteen of
Speaker 2: all time greats? And okay, maybe he's not if you
Speaker 2: look at the stats, if I combine ABA and NBA,
Speaker 2: if I combined you know, his style contributions to the game,
Speaker 2: Like he's he's one of the great talents. I mean,
Speaker 2: we Mike is obviously the greatest player. Okay, Doctor J
Speaker 2: had all of that talent, but he missed his window.
Speaker 2: He missed his window. You know, Jordan's games were all
Speaker 2: on TV. You can go back and watch all of those.
Speaker 2: You know, Kareem when he came in with the Bucks,
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, we had not seen that ever. You'd
Speaker 2: never No, we saw him in college, but in the
Speaker 2: NBA you'd never seen a big man who had that
Speaker 2: much style, jazz type moves. But I just remember Doctor
Speaker 2: j I'm glad I got to see him play twice
Speaker 2: and he didn't disappoint. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Paul Julius Irving played five years in the ABA before
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy six. He was the MVP three out of
Speaker 6: those five years. The other two years he finished second.
Speaker 6: When he got through the NBA, he finished top five
Speaker 6: for MVP four times after age thirty.
Speaker 4: That's tough to do.
Speaker 6: But when Magic and Bird are entering the league, Doctor
Speaker 6: J's twenty nine years old, so he's going on the
Speaker 6: back half. Stats were still really good. But he's the
Speaker 6: ultimate example. If he were born four years later, five
Speaker 6: years later, it had been Bird, Magic, Doctor then handing
Speaker 6: off to Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, here's Doctor j An MVP in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. Bird and Magic are just coming into
Speaker 2: the NBA and then they took it to another level, obviously,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you know, Jordan came
Speaker 2: in and said, I'll take it from here. By the way,
Speaker 2: it was ten years later. So this is nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: one when the Pistons walked off the floor. When so
Speaker 2: there's seven point, there's almost there's like eight seconds left,
Speaker 2: and this is when the Bulls swept the Pistons to
Speaker 2: go to the NBA Finals. And that's when Isaiah and
Speaker 2: company walked off the floor. There was eight seconds to go.
Speaker 4: And I mean.
Speaker 2: That was a rivalry, but let's keep in mind the
Speaker 2: Pistons were the ones winning the rivalry. The Bulls caught
Speaker 2: him and then beat them, and the Pistons acted like
Speaker 2: children walking off the floor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Pulling the other thing about Julie's irving, he had three
Speaker 6: versions of the same nickname. He went by doctor j
Speaker 6: the doctor or Doc. If you'd listen to different calls.
Speaker 6: I was watching YouTube, but like when you're a kid,
Speaker 6: you're here, Oh the doctor had forty four last night?
Speaker 4: You didn't you need to use a name?
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Seeden, I feel like you've called him doc before?
Speaker 2: Am I making that up? I have called him doc.
Speaker 5: I feel like we maybe that time was did you
Speaker 5: talk to him in the airport that day? Airport and
Speaker 5: you're like, hey, Doc, I'm almost positive you said that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was there towards the end of his career.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was his last game, but
Speaker 2: it was a playoff game, and I just remember he
Speaker 2: was in the trainer's room and he was icing down
Speaker 2: his knees and it felt like he put his palms
Speaker 2: on his kneecaps and his fingers went down like to
Speaker 2: his ankles. It was like, you know, et if et
Speaker 2: was going to have a model after his hands, you know,
Speaker 2: with more fingers, it would have been doctor j Phone.
Speaker 2: Oh and I just remember, Doc look beaten, you know
Speaker 2: when you see somebody towards the end of their career.
Speaker 2: And you know, he used to wear those knee braces,
Speaker 2: and I mean the number of times that he jumped, dunked,
Speaker 2: landing on asphalt, you know, not having the great shoes.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, he was there and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Burden Magic took it and they didn't give
Speaker 2: it back until Jordan took it from them. So just
Speaker 2: decide story there. Kyle in Missouri leads us off this
Speaker 2: final hour. Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 2: Kyle six three two twenty Dan pleasure?
Speaker 4: Hold on, Dan?
Speaker 8: Are you there?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: I am, Kyle, Yes, I am.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, I'm watching on CAI Who'll run?
Speaker 2: Never mind now, we'll do it again sometime. No no,
Speaker 2: no, no no no, Kyle. If you're just you're just figuring
Speaker 2: out things you waited a long time to. Maybe another day, Kyle, Okay,
Speaker 2: Jamie and Oklahoma, Hi Jamie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4: Heybe Pete? Great script writing today?
Speaker 7: That Baron Salmon bit that Fritzi wrote, Oh amazing?
Speaker 4: Uh, Fritzy, what's up?
Speaker 7: Kelly Slater of.
Speaker 4: Comedy over there?
Speaker 3: I really wish.
Speaker 7: We keep this going.
Speaker 4: We're gonna win.
Speaker 6: We got us to sports, Ammy baby, we got us one.
Speaker 4: All right now? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Jamie. Yeah, I wish that we could script things that
Speaker 2: were that funny that Fritzy telling me that bears spawned.
Speaker 2: Let's see Howard in Indiana. Hi Howard, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today? Morning?
Speaker 9: Dan?
Speaker 8: First time, long time?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was catching up on your show this weekend through
Speaker 8: the podcast, and I listened to your interview with Wayne Gretzky,
Speaker 8: and I know in the past you've kind of made
Speaker 8: mention of what a genuinely down to earth, pretty decent
Speaker 8: dude he is. When you asked him if he was
Speaker 8: the greatest hockey player of all time, his response actually
Speaker 8: caused me to choke up because he said right away, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: and then he paid tribute to Gordy Hall and Bobby Hall.
Speaker 8: And I mean, clearly he's the greatest hockey player of
Speaker 8: all time. But I don't even think he was being
Speaker 8: falsely modest in that moment. I mean, in this day
Speaker 8: and age of self promotion that I just that response
Speaker 8: was so refreshing. And even when you asked him if
Speaker 8: he held a grudge against anyone, he was sort of
Speaker 8: taken aback. I think he responded like me, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 8: that was awesome. I just wanted to share my thoughts
Speaker 8: on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Once again, if you're ever around him, you would never
Speaker 2: know that that's one of the greatest hockey players or
Speaker 2: the greatest. And to live up to the hype we
Speaker 2: talk about Lebron James living up to the hype, Gretzky
Speaker 2: had more heighte than anybody. They were calling him the
Speaker 2: great one when he's ten or eleven and he is
Speaker 2: acting like the great one, and then he comes into
Speaker 2: the WHA and then you know, eventually goes to the NHL.
Speaker 2: And he lived up to and surpassed that. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the remarkable part of it. And when you
Speaker 2: see him, you, I mean, it looks like he's five ten,
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty and he he understood the game.
Speaker 2: That's why we always get caught up in oh my god,
Speaker 2: look at that guy, that size or what it's you
Speaker 2: have to understand the game. If I put Eric Lindross
Speaker 2: and I'm Wayne Gretzky, and I say who had the
Speaker 2: better career? I mean, Wayne looks like Eric Lindross's agent,
Speaker 2: Like he'd be like, oh, that's that's his agent there
Speaker 2: not he's the best player in hockey. Now there's other players.
Speaker 2: To me, I think Mary Olemieux could have ended up
Speaker 2: as the greatest player of all time. That size, that speed, dexterity,
Speaker 2: he was unbelievable. Uh you know, had cancer, but what
Speaker 2: he did when he did it, for as long as
Speaker 2: he did it, he was remarkable. You know, you get
Speaker 2: an argument that Messier was a better player than Wayne
Speaker 2: or GORDI Howe was I mean, that's for the hockey
Speaker 2: purist to decide. I was just talking about the personality.
Speaker 2: And it's rare when you meet people that you would
Speaker 2: and they live up to what you thought they were
Speaker 2: going to be or who they were going to be.
Speaker 2: And he certainly is that person, every bit that person,
Speaker 2: nothing but respect for him. And there's nothing bragging. He
Speaker 2: could easily brag. There's no brag. There's not even a
Speaker 2: humble brag. He didn't even joke about that, and he
Speaker 2: could easily do that.
Speaker 6: Yes, bo, if you want to have fun sometime, go
Speaker 6: to Hockey Reference and just look back at Wayne Gretzy's stats.
Speaker 6: It looks like they've been hacked because they don't look real.
Speaker 6: At age nineteen, he had fifty one goals, eighty six assists,
Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty seven points, won all the trophies
Speaker 6: and he was nineteen.
Speaker 2: You know, they need to name the MVP Trophy after wayneam.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's where I'd like when we
Speaker 2: move forward with things. I know that we go, Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's tradition er. Don't want to lose sight of,
Speaker 2: you know, a previous generation. I understand all of that,
Speaker 2: but like Therry O'Brien Trophy. That's for winning an NBA championship. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, but maybe something different the MVP. I've said,
Speaker 2: you know, the Bill Russell Ward or Larry and Magic
Speaker 2: and the Eastern Conference Western car like then it's you
Speaker 2: get more things involved than you do appreciate the history
Speaker 2: of the sport. I don't want to erase all the
Speaker 2: great things about you know, prior generations, but I also
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge another generation that came after them. And
Speaker 2: why not just name the MVP Afterueno. I think that'd
Speaker 2: be fine. He might not want it. I mean, go
Speaker 2: back to if you want to have a humble but
Speaker 2: I mean Jerry West was the logo, although the NBA
Speaker 2: didn't acknowledge that, but he's the logo. I think he
Speaker 2: was embarrassed that he was singled out as the logo.
Speaker 2: I do, and Jerry never talked about his career, but
Speaker 2: he was extremely competitive, extremely but it wasn't about you
Speaker 2: know him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't tell if Jerry West was embarrassed that
Speaker 5: he was the logo or annoyed that the league wouldn't
Speaker 5: admit it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like he seemed to be a little like man
Speaker 2: it'd be cool.
Speaker 5: To maybe get some more of what came along with
Speaker 5: being the logo rather than just sort of this loose
Speaker 5: idea that we think it's Jerry West.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that they can find the picture that
Speaker 2: they took the artwork from, I mean, that's that's it's
Speaker 2: derived from this picture, and I go, how can you
Speaker 2: deny that that's not Jerry? But they would have owed
Speaker 2: him a lot of money, a lot of money, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that for Jerry as much
Speaker 2: as just you know, if you're saying I mean that's me,
Speaker 2: just say it to me. Yeah, I mean, it's okay,
Speaker 2: what Pauline.
Speaker 6: They should have given Jerry West one check in perpetuity.
Speaker 6: Here's three million dollars and we get the rights to
Speaker 6: the logo forever. And Jerry West probably would have taken
Speaker 6: it three million, have done a lot of good work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe ten million, sure something. Now do you change
Speaker 2: the logo at any point? Do you change it and
Speaker 2: make it someone like Michael Jordan, even though he has
Speaker 2: his own logo. Mike's not going to give that to you,
Speaker 2: by the way, that's not happening. I don't know if
Speaker 2: we change I mean, I love the logo. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if we move forward with any other sport
Speaker 2: where you go, you know what, we're going to change that.
Speaker 2: That's that guy because of you know, the licensing deals
Speaker 2: with this, you probably can't get away. If the WNBA
Speaker 2: did that with Caitlyn Clark, there'd be an outcry. Of course,
Speaker 2: anything with Caitlyn Clark, there's an outcry. It's still amazing,
Speaker 2: you know the people who use that as a platform.
Speaker 2: Angel reson Caitlin Clark to tell us what's really deep
Speaker 2: seated in them. They use her in this rivalry and
Speaker 2: it's really sad. I mean the Ryan Clark you know
Speaker 2: RG three, I mean, that is ugly and nobody wins.
Speaker 2: And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for Ryan Clark.
Speaker 2: He since apologized. But that's deep rooted stuff that's on you.
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with these two women there. It's
Speaker 2: on you. Let me take a break. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: Jim Jackson. He'll join us. Coming up next to your
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Speaker 2: basketball analysts joining us on the program. I've just spending
Speaker 2: a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window.
Speaker 2: You know, when Bird and Magic came in, and then
Speaker 2: Mike came in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody
Speaker 2: before that, Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit.
Speaker 2: Doctor J did. And I got a chance to see
Speaker 2: Doc play twice in the ABA and wow, so it
Speaker 2: was just different. That was he was playing against the
Speaker 2: Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really
Speaker 2: really good artist Gilmore was on the team, and Doc
Speaker 2: was just dunking on people in traffic like it was
Speaker 2: like a wild and I had not seen somebody play
Speaker 2: like that. Have you met Doctor J.
Speaker 12: Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers
Speaker 12: fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was
Speaker 12: close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro.
Speaker 4: And it was moving.
Speaker 12: I wanted to try to have an afro like Doctor J.
Speaker 12: And you know at that time too, you know NBA Finals,
Speaker 12: I think when they played the Magic his rookie year
Speaker 12: and that thing was on take the lay back in the.
Speaker 4: Day, remember that.
Speaker 12: But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star
Speaker 12: Game in Phoenix. I still had that picture and that
Speaker 12: was like a oh you know that moment when you
Speaker 12: see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide
Speaker 12: and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc.
Speaker 12: But then Dan I got to really get a chance
Speaker 12: to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS
Speaker 12: League because he's one of the coaches.
Speaker 4: But more importantly, we were.
Speaker 12: In China with the NBA NBA China Games in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 12: That was Lucas rookie year and Doc was there and
Speaker 12: we really had a chance to just hang out and
Speaker 12: spend time because he's an abbot like me, cigar smoker,
Speaker 12: so I would make sure that I have a play
Speaker 12: set up that we go to that we can sit
Speaker 12: and smoke and talk.
Speaker 4: And he was telling stories. You know, he was with
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, about it wouldn't him.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't let him play.
Speaker 12: Yeah, think about that, Dan, if he would have stayed
Speaker 12: with the Hawks, how history could have been different because
Speaker 12: he's with the Virginia Squires at the time.
Speaker 2: US Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then went to Atlanta.
Speaker 12: He was in camp the NBA said, he said, if
Speaker 12: Doc plays, you have to forfeit the games that he
Speaker 12: plays in, and that's how he ended up getting to
Speaker 12: the New Jersey Newts and eventually of course at the
Speaker 12: Philadelphia seventy six ers. But spending time with him and
Speaker 12: it's a different He's just it's something about people have aura,
Speaker 12: and Doc definitely is that person that has.
Speaker 2: I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and
Speaker 2: the Jazz. We were in Utah, and Jim Gray says,
Speaker 2: when you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want
Speaker 2: to join me and Doc We're going to be playing golf.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm there, and uh so we get there.
Speaker 2: We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like
Speaker 2: the fifteenth hole and there was a basket ball hoop.
Speaker 2: There was a like a house right you know, behind
Speaker 2: the tea box, and there was a basketball out there.
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot.
Speaker 2: So we went over in golf shoes and we're so
Speaker 2: I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand
Speaker 2: under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet
Speaker 2: and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I
Speaker 2: want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under
Speaker 2: the hoop and put his hands up, and then I
Speaker 2: dunked on him.
Speaker 8: What.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on
Speaker 4: the eight foot rim.
Speaker 2: I'm just putting on an aerial display man.
Speaker 12: Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three.
Speaker 12: We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Death
Speaker 12: and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything
Speaker 12: is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow
Speaker 12: in the golf course too.
Speaker 2: Though he wasn't a great as a golfer, he was
Speaker 2: a great dunker. So I I love what Giannis has
Speaker 2: brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago,
Speaker 2: and that's everybody outside of the United States versus the
Speaker 2: United States and the All Star Game. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost
Speaker 2: the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back.
Speaker 2: And I certainly like my starting five with you know,
Speaker 2: the players from outside the United States. What's the negative
Speaker 2: to this?
Speaker 12: That the negative to me is that you have to
Speaker 12: search for a way for guys to play hard and
Speaker 12: search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're
Speaker 12: going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking
Speaker 12: their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because
Speaker 12: it falls back on the players and not really wanted
Speaker 12: to play and play hard at the end of the day.
Speaker 12: When when when the top players really want to play
Speaker 12: and you I'm not saying you're going to go out,
Speaker 12: you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to
Speaker 12: hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that
Speaker 12: third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete,
Speaker 12: when you're playing defense. And again I go back to
Speaker 12: you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when
Speaker 12: the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just
Speaker 12: a dunk contest.
Speaker 4: That's what bothers me that we have to.
Speaker 12: Search that the NBA has to search for reasons to
Speaker 12: incentivize the players to really go out and play hard.
Speaker 12: So why are we looking at europe European players versus
Speaker 12: United States?
Speaker 2: Why because because we can't get them to play hard,
Speaker 2: you say, for your country. And if the players are
Speaker 2: the team world beat the Americans, now you have something.
Speaker 2: Now you have, oh my goodness. Then the next year
Speaker 2: like now we have something. I don't watch the All
Speaker 2: Star Game because I said it's a glorified layup line.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I don't care even the dunk contest. I
Speaker 2: don't care. Three point You can still dress that up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you NBA and NBA you could have prior like Del
Speaker 2: Curry and Steph Curry could be a team. You know,
Speaker 2: you could. You could do something like that, and I'd
Speaker 2: be fine with that. But this to me, if if
Speaker 2: the world beat Team USA, I think at least it
Speaker 2: has a pulse.
Speaker 4: Well, how does it?
Speaker 12: But here's the thing too, how do you Well guys
Speaker 12: get left out because of this? And with regards to
Speaker 12: the number of players, well, the number of players too,
Speaker 12: because if you think about it, if you get a
Speaker 12: twenty five players or twenty four players or whatever it
Speaker 12: may be, and now you're looking at placing a European
Speaker 12: team together American team, that means you can need twelve
Speaker 12: European players, right, They's say you got twelve on the bench.
Speaker 12: I mean twelve on the team, but ironically maybe five
Speaker 12: to eight are your real All Stars. So that means
Speaker 12: now you're putting another four to five players that are
Speaker 12: there that are taking spots from other players who should
Speaker 12: be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too.
Speaker 12: It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All
Speaker 12: Star team, you pick the twenty four to twenty five
Speaker 12: best players the All Star Ironically, they're not going to
Speaker 12: be the majority're going to be American players, but you
Speaker 12: have to fill out that roster if is the European team,
Speaker 12: and that means on the American side, it's going to
Speaker 12: be guys that deserve to be an All Star that
Speaker 12: don't end up making it if you go that way.
Speaker 12: Not again, I don't know how they'll the process a beat,
Speaker 12: but I think you have that as something that you
Speaker 12: really have to look at on how that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. But I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to have the All Star Game mean something, and
Speaker 2: this might be your last ditch. Deefford talking to Jim
Speaker 2: Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst. The Knicks or
Speaker 2: two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What
Speaker 2: happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do
Speaker 2: or Indiana or the Knicks you know, remembered to do well.
Speaker 12: I think you got to give a lot of credits
Speaker 12: to the Knicks. It was of course car Antony Town's
Speaker 12: got reactivated. I mean he really played extremely well, and
Speaker 12: you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some
Speaker 12: shots that he took early they kind of built the
Speaker 12: defense out. But you got to give og Ananobe credit.
Speaker 12: He played extremely well. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride came in
Speaker 12: and played extremely well. I mean he had a critical role,
Speaker 12: you know in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 12: not just offensively, but defensively too, kind of making some
Speaker 12: things happen. And when you're you know, in this situation,
Speaker 12: you play a little bit desperate. You now O two,
Speaker 12: I mean down two oh on the road, and really
Speaker 12: the pressure is kind of more on even though it's
Speaker 12: pressure on.
Speaker 4: New York to it.
Speaker 12: Don't get me wrong, because you go down three to zero,
Speaker 12: it's you know, it's basically over, but you're not expected
Speaker 12: to kind of win that game just based on how
Speaker 12: the series was going.
Speaker 4: Even though this was you think about this.
Speaker 12: Then it came every game came down to a one
Speaker 12: or two possession game, okay, and that New York probably
Speaker 12: sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up
Speaker 12: what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots,
Speaker 12: not giving up an offensive rebound, we win those two
Speaker 12: games at home.
Speaker 4: And that's the mentality you have to have.
Speaker 12: And other guys really stepped up, my I mean, Michel
Speaker 12: Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays,
Speaker 12: offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know,
Speaker 12: Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench, you know,
Speaker 12: and that says a lot about the character of that
Speaker 12: New York team. Now, can it be duplicated, We don't know.
Speaker 12: But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win,
Speaker 12: you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a
Speaker 12: lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes.
Speaker 12: That gave New York opportunities to be able to score
Speaker 12: the ball and eventually win the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, it's not fair to say it, but
Speaker 2: it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson
Speaker 2: not ball dominant. Well, I'm not saying that you win
Speaker 2: without him, but it's a different it's a different Knicks
Speaker 2: team or style that they seem to capitalize on. Whether that,
Speaker 2: you know, I still think that Tibbs needs to play
Speaker 2: more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys.
Speaker 2: But you have some guys who have experience and put
Speaker 2: him in there, and they had to out of necessity
Speaker 2: with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved
Speaker 2: a little bit more and they benefited from them.
Speaker 12: Well in the last couple of games too, well, he
Speaker 12: went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, move
Speaker 12: Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt,
Speaker 12: you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because
Speaker 12: we got a snippet of about five and a half
Speaker 12: minutes of no Brunson right when he left game in
Speaker 12: the fourth quarter, came back in with about a minute
Speaker 12: something left, and everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunton. Yeah,
Speaker 12: but you know what, Brunton was there to both the game,
Speaker 12: to get you to that point. So you can have
Speaker 12: a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunton is not
Speaker 12: there for the totality of the game. This is a
Speaker 12: different New York team now, you're asking guys to do
Speaker 12: this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty minutes to be
Speaker 12: able to do what we saw in five minutes.
Speaker 4: That's a different ask, you know.
Speaker 2: And I agree lazy analysis on people, they say, but
Speaker 2: it makes sense, you know, in that it made sense.
Speaker 4: It made moments.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better
Speaker 2: without Tatum.
Speaker 4: Stop it.
Speaker 2: Exactly by the way, Tyre's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 4: But only in this week. No word near the court.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a family member create an incident
Speaker 2: not a game.
Speaker 12: No ever, and I had, you know, I was fortunate
Speaker 12: my my father, my mother, they weren't. They were always
Speaker 12: in the background. Never, No, that's my son out there.
Speaker 12: I mean high school, college and the pro.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 12: My relatives who came to the game that were really
Speaker 12: close to me. They were just so happy and the
Speaker 12: lady to be just in the building a lot of
Speaker 12: times to be and see other players play, but proud
Speaker 12: of what I've done.
Speaker 4: But never friendsmates. No, I've never played with a teammate
Speaker 4: that now.
Speaker 12: I had some that I ever have over the top,
Speaker 12: let's say parents or crew. Yeah, maybe a little bit,
Speaker 12: but not to where it never interfered with the game. No,
Speaker 12: maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel
Speaker 12: and be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what
Speaker 12: we saw were on the court after a game in
Speaker 12: another player's face.
Speaker 4: I didn't have I didn't experience that part.
Speaker 2: I like what Okay he did, and that is I
Speaker 2: don't want your best player to beat me. Now you
Speaker 2: do run the risk of the other players. And the
Speaker 2: other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony
Speaker 2: Edwards saying basically, I didn't have a bad game, like
Speaker 2: you know, I made the right choices here where do
Speaker 2: you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for
Speaker 2: the best player on your team.
Speaker 12: Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a
Speaker 12: correct analysis.
Speaker 4: Being this. OKC made it a point in.
Speaker 12: Particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot
Speaker 12: of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had
Speaker 12: a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was
Speaker 12: able to get one on one.
Speaker 4: But when you're.
Speaker 12: Facing this OKAC team, think about this. What you want
Speaker 12: to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody
Speaker 12: wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 12: who initiates the offense, comes down and sets once that
Speaker 12: pick and roll up top with Holme, Grin or Hardenstein,
Speaker 12: it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding to get over
Speaker 12: that screen. So now you don't have a switch and
Speaker 12: you're basically back to one on one defense.
Speaker 4: And that's what lou Dort did most of the night.
Speaker 12: He stayed, he got over those screens, so now you
Speaker 12: don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded
Speaker 12: up on an So the thirteen shots was a result
Speaker 12: of excellent one schematically designing a defense that works, but
Speaker 12: two the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme.
Speaker 12: Because you could have a scheme all you want, and
Speaker 12: coaches will tell you that they say, listen, we lost
Speaker 12: this game because we didn't execute our game plan.
Speaker 4: Well that wasn't a case for OKC man.
Speaker 12: I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation
Speaker 12: or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a
Speaker 12: heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic,
Speaker 12: he was double triple team and had to get rid
Speaker 12: of the ball.
Speaker 2: Most annoying defender you ever faced.
Speaker 12: Muggsy Bogus, not even close, not even because my second
Speaker 12: year we traded. I was in Dallas and we traded
Speaker 12: uh Jared garper Right to New York.
Speaker 4: So I'm playing point guard. Man.
Speaker 12: We played Charlotte, and you know, Muggsy's five two with
Speaker 12: with with some insoles in okay, and he'll pick you
Speaker 12: up full court and he gets up underneath you, and
Speaker 12: the annoying is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball.
Speaker 4: I'm gon get it back over half court.
Speaker 12: But because people don't understand how strong Monkey Bogus was
Speaker 12: at the time, even though he was didn't have the height,
Speaker 12: but his advantage was the further you wore away from
Speaker 12: the basket. His speed is quickness and its size wasn't
Speaker 12: a liability and not annoyed the heck out of me.
Speaker 12: When I played against Charlotte and had to bring it
Speaker 12: up against a smaller quicker and a defensive minded point
Speaker 12: guard like like Muggsy Bowls, I still hate to see
Speaker 12: him coming.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Muggy, may get out of here, man.
Speaker 2: He was actually five to two five three.
Speaker 4: I said what I said, what insoul's in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it amazing? Though? Somebody that size could could
Speaker 2: have a lengthy career in the NBA.
Speaker 12: Look at yeah he look at Spudweb. Spud Web, I
Speaker 12: mean the same thing.
Speaker 2: Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what but in.
Speaker 4: A different way though. Spud was a lot more affen.
Speaker 2: He won the dunk contest.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and he was more Yeah, and he's Muggsy was
Speaker 12: a terror on defense man, Yeah, a terror.
Speaker 2: He could play, he could be his starter.
Speaker 12: I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting day
Speaker 12: you brought that up to, is that people talk about
Speaker 12: guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say,
Speaker 12: step are you so we just named two who were
Speaker 12: small that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the
Speaker 12: day when he played for Denver. Okay, he was he
Speaker 12: was small, Okay. It's guys that played back in that
Speaker 12: time that were smaller, leaner in a more physical league
Speaker 12: that still knew how to play because they grew up
Speaker 12: playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how
Speaker 12: to use their size. So that's why I laugh at
Speaker 12: when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in
Speaker 12: the you know, late eighties and nineties. I'm like, well,
Speaker 12: why not you know, here's examples of guys that did.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes,
Speaker 2: who you got tonight? I have the knicks.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 12: I'm greedy because I won seven games. Man, I won
Speaker 12: six to seven games in both series. I was just
Speaker 12: pointed in, you know OKC and Minnesota game, and I
Speaker 12: think about the Minnesota game. I say this before we go.
Speaker 12: People look at ant And and Rando only scoring twenty
Speaker 12: one points compared to there's seventy four between Shay and Williams.
Speaker 12: But it wasn't that to me. This is a two
Speaker 12: point game. Yeah, you give up twenty three turnovers, right,
Speaker 12: Dan Okase had ninety four possessions. Minnesota only had eighty five.
Speaker 12: That's an eleven possession different in the two point game
Speaker 12: despite all what was going on. That to me, when
Speaker 12: Minnesota gets themselves in trouble is when they turn the
Speaker 12: ball over and they lose the possession game.
Speaker 4: Good to talk to you always, brother, enjoyce and nik you.
Speaker 2: That's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA and college basketball analyst.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, last call for phone calls. What
Speaker 2: we learn, what's in store tomorrow after.
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Speaker 2: Last call for phone calls, what we learn? What's in
Speaker 2: store tomorrow? DraftKings just sent me the NBA title odds update.
Speaker 2: It is the Thunder big margin, and then it's the Pacers,
Speaker 2: then the Knicks, and then the Timberwolves. A distant fourth
Speaker 2: Tucker in North Carolina, Good morning, Tuck. How can I
Speaker 2: help you?
Speaker 9: How you doing both?
Speaker 4: Great? Six? Four one one five lean.
Speaker 9: I'm honored to be on the phone with the goat.
Speaker 9: Here's what I got. I got co Ed Softball League
Speaker 9: first game of the season tonight, first season ever for
Speaker 9: my squad, the mo runs, got all the homies, the fiance,
Speaker 9: all the girlfriends on the team. Was just looking for
Speaker 9: some words of encouragement. Maybe something I should tell the
Speaker 9: squad before the game. Any advice from you, It would
Speaker 9: be very much appreciated.
Speaker 2: All right, well, you come to the right place, win
Speaker 2: or lose, we celebrate, Tuck. That's what I would tell now,
Speaker 2: good luck tonight. We're all counting on you. I look
Speaker 2: for the highlights on Sports Center. Patrick in Scottsdale. Patrick
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Dan, five eleven one five, first time,
Speaker 7: first time, long time listener. I'm just sitting home on
Speaker 7: a vacation on my couch here and watching the show.
Speaker 7: I usually listen on the radio, but I really appreciate
Speaker 7: your your comments regarding doctor J. I grew up as
Speaker 7: having him as my role model. He was my sports hero.
Speaker 7: I remember doing a book report back in seventh grade
Speaker 7: and god, I don't know if it was Sports Illustrated
Speaker 7: or the Sporting News, but there was a picture of
Speaker 7: him going up for a dunk and I traced it
Speaker 7: out on tracing paper and I had on my book report.
Speaker 7: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you Patrick. Yeah, And he's one of those guys
Speaker 2: when you meet him. And when I first met Joe Namath,
Speaker 2: I thanked him. I said thank you for being who
Speaker 2: I thought were hoping you were going to be. And
Speaker 2: he looked at me like he hadn't heard that before.
Speaker 2: But in my you know, I'm from a small town,
Speaker 2: I'm never going to meet these people. And then you
Speaker 2: meet these people. And granted not everybody was what I
Speaker 2: was hoping they were going to be, but no names,
Speaker 2: but Joe Namath was doctor J. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 2: a long, long, long list this day in sports history, Paul, for.
Speaker 6: Me, just a couple for you, Dan, please. The Preaknese Stakes,
Speaker 6: the first ever Preaknis Stakes, eighteen seventy three, one by survivor.
Speaker 6: Twenty eighteen, Lebron James reaches eighth straight NBA Finals. The
Speaker 6: Cavs got by the Celtics, and nineteen e two three
Speaker 6: New Jersey businessmen bought the NHL's Colorado Rockies. They got
Speaker 6: approval to move the teams fromy to New Jersey and
Speaker 6: become the Devils.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the fact of Lebron went to nine
Speaker 2: consecutive NBA finals, Yeah, that's remarkable. I saw where David Falk,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's agent, former agent, said that if Jordan was picking,
Speaker 2: he would have won fifteen titles. If he did what
Speaker 2: Lebron did, he would have won fifteen titles. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just that's a topic for another day. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't it's I don't know of a star, a
Speaker 2: truly transcendent, one of the all time grades, who takes
Speaker 2: more abuse than Lebron James does. He just takes strays
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, I don't know that that is
Speaker 2: a topic for another day. Got admit, you know, Michael
Speaker 2: could have won fifteen if you wanted to.
Speaker 4: He chose to not.
Speaker 2: I hate that kind of crap.
Speaker 5: I know he wanted to win as many as he
Speaker 5: possibly could.
Speaker 2: That's what he had, that's what he got. He didn't
Speaker 2: just say, you know what this year, well, I let
Speaker 2: somebody else take it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I was really expecting David Fouk, who made
Speaker 6: millions off Michael Jordan, to be objective about this discussion.
Speaker 2: That's what we learned today. Have a great day, everybody.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow.