WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Dr. J’s Dominance, Jim Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Final Hour on this Tuesday. I hope you had a

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<v Speaker 2>great weekend. Gangs all here refreshed, ready to go Fritzy

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Minister of Humor and inadvertently accidentally provided

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<v Speaker 2>some humor in the first hour of the program as

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<v Speaker 2>we learned that bears apparently can spawn. I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>only samon could, but Todd found out that bears can

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<v Speaker 2>spawn in video games. In video games, yeah, seems to go.

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<v Speaker 3>To the next level of research. And that's something that

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<v Speaker 3>could happen maybe in a video game, but not in

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<v Speaker 3>real life.

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<v Speaker 2>Really not in real life bears they don't spawn. They

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<v Speaker 2>just have cups. They hybridate and have cups.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no eggs involved, I guess or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you Todd. You continue to add value to

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<v Speaker 2>that NYU educre.

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<v Speaker 3>It is yes, that gonna have you back to make

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<v Speaker 3>a speech or you know, send the graduates on their way.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine they would have you come back for

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<v Speaker 2>a commencement speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't gotten anything yet from them corresponding success more money.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be waiting at the at the mail box.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Long commencement speech, A long, long commencement speech. So Fritzy

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<v Speaker 2>is here, Seaton, mar Paul yours truly the brg's We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Jim Jackson covering the NBA playoffs, the Fox

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<v Speaker 2>Turner basketball analyst. The Knicks are two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>point underdogs of the Pacers coming up tonight. The Thunder

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<v Speaker 2>up three to one on the Timberwolves. As SGA gets

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<v Speaker 2>his MVP and then acts like one and gets forty

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<v Speaker 2>points eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get some more phone calls, your best and worst

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<v Speaker 2>of the weekend. By the way, it was on this

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<v Speaker 2>date back in nineteen eighty one, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>big moment. And I remember it because I got a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to watch this guy play, but the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the country did not really get a chance to see

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<v Speaker 2>him play. Doctor j won the MVP in the ABA,

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<v Speaker 2>and on this date in nineteen eighty one, won the

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<v Speaker 2>MVP in the NBA. There's a couple of players who

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<v Speaker 2>missed their window to showcase their greatness. Elgin Baylor was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first longtime Laker great. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Kareem Abdul Jabbar lu Al Sindor when he was with

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<v Speaker 2>the Bucks, when he was first starting out. Oscar Robertson

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<v Speaker 2>spent most of his career in Cincinnati. Only known for

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, and that's the triple double, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>so much more than that. Jerry West, his playing career

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<v Speaker 2>was unbelievable, but he kept losing in the finals. He

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<v Speaker 2>only won one title. Wilt Chamberlain's different. You know, Wilt

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<v Speaker 2>was Babe Ruth with the NBA. But Doctor J was

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<v Speaker 2>one of those players that there was just nobody like him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wasn't as refined as you know, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the great players, but you know, as far as athleticism

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<v Speaker 2>on the break, dunking on people transition was, he was spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>And I go back to that Portland Trail Blazer series

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<v Speaker 2>when the seventy six ers what two games to none

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<v Speaker 2>on Bill Walton and the Blazers, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we thought it was going to be a sweep

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was Portland won four in a row

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<v Speaker 2>and Doctor J was unbelievable in that series. Unbelievable. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was a sixer team that had stars, maybe too

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<v Speaker 2>many stars, but Doc was he was just different. He

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<v Speaker 2>was at a different level. And to have seen him

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<v Speaker 2>in the ABA two games. I saw him play one

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<v Speaker 2>against the Kentucky Colonels, but it was just different. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have somebody. I had not seen somebody like him

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<v Speaker 2>when he came along, but he just he missed out

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<v Speaker 2>on that window of opportunity. And I'm trying to think,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's other players, but those are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that come to mind where you go God that if

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<v Speaker 2>you look back, nobody was doing what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I just remember being a kid and seeing Doctor

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<v Speaker 5>J and being like, WHOA, that dude is different. That's

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<v Speaker 5>amazing what he's doing. And then that seemed to in

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<v Speaker 5>my mind anyway, handed right off to like Dominique Wilkins,

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<v Speaker 5>where it was like, did you see that guy dunk?

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<v Speaker 2>That was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>They were just doing things that nobody else seemed to

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<v Speaker 5>even understand.

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<v Speaker 2>And growing up in a small town in Ohio, we

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<v Speaker 2>would read about this. You'd read about Doctor J that

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<v Speaker 2>he went to Rutger Park and he's playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>league and dunking on people and dominating, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just Crowds would come out to see him that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they'd be on buildings, they were in trees,

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<v Speaker 2>they were however, you could get a glimpse of Doctor J.

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<v Speaker 2>And it became so powerful of And I remember they

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<v Speaker 2>were playing a preseason game in Cincinnati and got to

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<v Speaker 2>go over and see him. And I just remember watching

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<v Speaker 2>him and lay up line. So I'd go down on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor and I would just be underneath the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd just be standing there, not like right under but

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<v Speaker 2>behind it, by the stanchion they call it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just watched him just everything about him, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>these massive hands and he just he seemed to float.

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<v Speaker 2>But he missed out on that. Now he's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the all time greats. He's not mentioned. When's the last

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<v Speaker 2>time Doctor J was mentioned in the top fifteen of

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<v Speaker 2>all time greats? And okay, maybe he's not if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the stats, if I combine ABA and NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>if I combined you know, his style contributions to the game,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's he's one of the great talents. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we Mike is obviously the greatest player. Okay, Doctor J

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<v Speaker 2>had all of that talent, but he missed his window.

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<v Speaker 2>He missed his window. You know, Jordan's games were all

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<v Speaker 2>on TV. You can go back and watch all of those.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Kareem when he came in with the Bucks,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, we had not seen that ever. You'd

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<v Speaker 2>never No, we saw him in college, but in the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA you'd never seen a big man who had that

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<v Speaker 2>much style, jazz type moves. But I just remember Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>j I'm glad I got to see him play twice

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<v Speaker 2>and he didn't disappoint. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Paul Julius Irving played five years in the ABA before

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen seventy six. He was the MVP three out of

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<v Speaker 6>those five years. The other two years he finished second.

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<v Speaker 6>When he got through the NBA, he finished top five

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<v Speaker 6>for MVP four times after age thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>That's tough to do.

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<v Speaker 6>But when Magic and Bird are entering the league, Doctor

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<v Speaker 6>J's twenty nine years old, so he's going on the

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<v Speaker 6>back half. Stats were still really good. But he's the

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<v Speaker 6>ultimate example. If he were born four years later, five

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<v Speaker 6>years later, it had been Bird, Magic, Doctor then handing

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<v Speaker 6>off to Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know, here's Doctor j An MVP in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one. Bird and Magic are just coming into

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA and then they took it to another level, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, you know, Jordan came

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<v Speaker 2>in and said, I'll take it from here. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it was ten years later. So this is nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one when the Pistons walked off the floor. When so

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<v Speaker 2>there's seven point, there's almost there's like eight seconds left,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is when the Bulls swept the Pistons to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the NBA Finals. And that's when Isaiah and

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<v Speaker 2>company walked off the floor. There was eight seconds to go.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a rivalry, but let's keep in mind the

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<v Speaker 2>Pistons were the ones winning the rivalry. The Bulls caught

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<v Speaker 2>him and then beat them, and the Pistons acted like

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<v Speaker 2>children walking off the floor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Pulling the other thing about Julie's irving, he had three

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<v Speaker 6>versions of the same nickname. He went by doctor j

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<v Speaker 6>the doctor or Doc. If you'd listen to different calls.

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<v Speaker 6>I was watching YouTube, but like when you're a kid,

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<v Speaker 6>you're here, Oh the doctor had forty four last night?

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't you need to use a name?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, Seeden, I feel like you've called him doc before?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I making that up? I have called him doc.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like we maybe that time was did you

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<v Speaker 5>talk to him in the airport that day? Airport and

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<v Speaker 5>you're like, hey, Doc, I'm almost positive you said that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was there towards the end of his career.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was his last game, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a playoff game, and I just remember he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the trainer's room and he was icing down

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<v Speaker 2>his knees and it felt like he put his palms

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<v Speaker 2>on his kneecaps and his fingers went down like to

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<v Speaker 2>his ankles. It was like, you know, et if et

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<v Speaker 2>was going to have a model after his hands, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with more fingers, it would have been doctor j Phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I just remember, Doc look beaten, you know

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<v Speaker 2>when you see somebody towards the end of their career.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he used to wear those knee braces,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean the number of times that he jumped, dunked,

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<v Speaker 2>landing on asphalt, you know, not having the great shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, yeah, he was there and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, Burden Magic took it and they didn't give

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<v Speaker 2>it back until Jordan took it from them. So just

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<v Speaker 2>decide story there. Kyle in Missouri leads us off this

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<v Speaker 2>final hour. Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?

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<v Speaker 4>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan?

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<v Speaker 7>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle six three two twenty Dan pleasure?

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<v Speaker 4>Hold on, Dan?

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<v Speaker 8>Are you there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I am, Kyle, Yes, I am.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, all right, I'm watching on CAI Who'll run?

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<v Speaker 2>Never mind now, we'll do it again sometime. No no,

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<v Speaker 2>no, no no no, Kyle. If you're just you're just figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out things you waited a long time to. Maybe another day, Kyle, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie and Oklahoma, Hi Jamie, what's on your mind today?

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<v Speaker 4>Heybe Pete? Great script writing today?

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<v Speaker 7>That Baron Salmon bit that Fritzi wrote, Oh amazing?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, Fritzy, what's up?

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<v Speaker 7>Kelly Slater of.

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<v Speaker 4>Comedy over there?

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<v Speaker 3>I really wish.

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<v Speaker 7>We keep this going.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna win.

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<v Speaker 6>We got us to sports, Ammy baby, we got us one.

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<v Speaker 4>All right now? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie. Yeah, I wish that we could script things that

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<v Speaker 2>were that funny that Fritzy telling me that bears spawned.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see Howard in Indiana. Hi Howard, what's on your

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<v Speaker 2>mind today? Morning?

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<v Speaker 9>Dan?

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<v Speaker 8>First time, long time?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I was catching up on your show this weekend through

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<v Speaker 8>the podcast, and I listened to your interview with Wayne Gretzky,

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<v Speaker 8>and I know in the past you've kind of made

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<v Speaker 8>mention of what a genuinely down to earth, pretty decent

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<v Speaker 8>dude he is. When you asked him if he was

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<v Speaker 8>the greatest hockey player of all time, his response actually

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<v Speaker 8>caused me to choke up because he said right away, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 8>and then he paid tribute to Gordy Hall and Bobby Hall.

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<v Speaker 8>And I mean, clearly he's the greatest hockey player of

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<v Speaker 8>all time. But I don't even think he was being

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<v Speaker 8>falsely modest in that moment. I mean, in this day

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<v Speaker 8>and age of self promotion that I just that response

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<v Speaker 8>was so refreshing. And even when you asked him if

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<v Speaker 8>he held a grudge against anyone, he was sort of

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<v Speaker 8>taken aback. I think he responded like me, oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 8>that was awesome. I just wanted to share my thoughts

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<v Speaker 8>on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, if you're ever around him, you would never

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<v Speaker 2>know that that's one of the greatest hockey players or

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest. And to live up to the hype we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Lebron James living up to the hype, Gretzky

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<v Speaker 2>had more heighte than anybody. They were calling him the

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<v Speaker 2>great one when he's ten or eleven and he is

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<v Speaker 2>acting like the great one, and then he comes into

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<v Speaker 2>the WHA and then you know, eventually goes to the NHL.

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<v Speaker 2>And he lived up to and surpassed that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the remarkable part of it. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>see him, you, I mean, it looks like he's five ten,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty and he he understood the game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we always get caught up in oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>look at that guy, that size or what it's you

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<v Speaker 2>have to understand the game. If I put Eric Lindross

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Wayne Gretzky, and I say who had the

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<v Speaker 2>better career? I mean, Wayne looks like Eric Lindross's agent,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he'd be like, oh, that's that's his agent there

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<v Speaker 2>not he's the best player in hockey. Now there's other players.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, I think Mary Olemieux could have ended up

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<v Speaker 2>as the greatest player of all time. That size, that speed, dexterity,

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<v Speaker 2>he was unbelievable. Uh you know, had cancer, but what

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<v Speaker 2>he did when he did it, for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>he did it, he was remarkable. You know, you get

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<v Speaker 2>an argument that Messier was a better player than Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>or GORDI Howe was I mean, that's for the hockey

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<v Speaker 2>purist to decide. I was just talking about the personality.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's rare when you meet people that you would

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<v Speaker 2>and they live up to what you thought they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be or who they were going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And he certainly is that person, every bit that person,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but respect for him. And there's nothing bragging. He

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<v Speaker 2>could easily brag. There's no brag. There's not even a

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<v Speaker 2>humble brag. He didn't even joke about that, and he

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<v Speaker 2>could easily do that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, bo, if you want to have fun sometime, go

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<v Speaker 6>to Hockey Reference and just look back at Wayne Gretzy's stats.

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<v Speaker 6>It looks like they've been hacked because they don't look real.

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<v Speaker 6>At age nineteen, he had fifty one goals, eighty six assists,

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred and thirty seven points, won all the trophies

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<v Speaker 6>and he was nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they need to name the MVP Trophy after wayneam.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know that's where I'd like when we

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<v Speaker 2>move forward with things. I know that we go, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's tradition er. Don't want to lose sight of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a previous generation. I understand all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but like Therry O'Brien Trophy. That's for winning an NBA championship. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but maybe something different the MVP. I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Bill Russell Ward or Larry and Magic

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<v Speaker 2>and the Eastern Conference Western car like then it's you

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<v Speaker 2>get more things involved than you do appreciate the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the sport. I don't want to erase all the

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<v Speaker 2>great things about you know, prior generations, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>want to acknowledge another generation that came after them. And

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<v Speaker 2>why not just name the MVP Afterueno. I think that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fine. He might not want it. I mean, go

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<v Speaker 2>back to if you want to have a humble but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Jerry West was the logo, although the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>didn't acknowledge that, but he's the logo. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was embarrassed that he was singled out as the logo.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and Jerry never talked about his career, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was extremely competitive, extremely but it wasn't about you

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<v Speaker 2>know him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I couldn't tell if Jerry West was embarrassed that

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<v Speaker 5>he was the logo or annoyed that the league wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>admit it, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, like he seemed to be a little like man

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 5>To maybe get some more of what came along with

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<v Speaker 5>being the logo rather than just sort of this loose

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<v Speaker 5>idea that we think it's Jerry West.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The fact that they can find the picture that

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<v Speaker 2>they took the artwork from, I mean, that's that's it's

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<v Speaker 2>derived from this picture, and I go, how can you

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<v Speaker 2>deny that that's not Jerry? But they would have owed

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<v Speaker 2>him a lot of money, a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was that for Jerry as much

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<v Speaker 2>as just you know, if you're saying I mean that's me,

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<v Speaker 2>just say it to me. Yeah, I mean, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what Pauline.

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<v Speaker 6>They should have given Jerry West one check in perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's three million dollars and we get the rights to

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<v Speaker 6>the logo forever. And Jerry West probably would have taken

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<v Speaker 6>it three million, have done a lot of good work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe ten million, sure something. Now do you change

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<v Speaker 2>the logo at any point? Do you change it and

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<v Speaker 2>make it someone like Michael Jordan, even though he has

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<v Speaker 2>his own logo. Mike's not going to give that to you,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, that's not happening. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>we change I mean, I love the logo. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we move forward with any other sport

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<v Speaker 2>where you go, you know what, we're going to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that guy because of you know, the licensing deals

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<v Speaker 2>with this, you probably can't get away. If the WNBA

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<v Speaker 2>did that with Caitlyn Clark, there'd be an outcry. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>anything with Caitlyn Clark, there's an outcry. It's still amazing,

0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you know the people who use that as a platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel reson Caitlin Clark to tell us what's really deep

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<v Speaker 2>seated in them. They use her in this rivalry and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really sad. I mean the Ryan Clark you know

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<v Speaker 2>RG three, I mean, that is ugly and nobody wins.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for Ryan Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>He since apologized. But that's deep rooted stuff that's on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Has nothing to do with these two women there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basketball analysts joining us on the program. I've just spending

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<v Speaker 2>a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when Bird and Magic came in, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Mike came in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>before that, Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor J did. And I got a chance to see

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<v Speaker 2>Doc play twice in the ABA and wow, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was just different. That was he was playing against the

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really

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<v Speaker 2>really good artist Gilmore was on the team, and Doc

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<v Speaker 2>was just dunking on people in traffic like it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a wild and I had not seen somebody play

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Have you met Doctor J.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers

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<v Speaker 12>fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was

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<v Speaker 12>close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was moving.

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<v Speaker 12>I wanted to try to have an afro like Doctor J.

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<v Speaker 12>And you know at that time too, you know NBA Finals,

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<v Speaker 12>I think when they played the Magic his rookie year

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<v Speaker 12>and that thing was on take the lay back in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Day, remember that.

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<v Speaker 12>But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star

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<v Speaker 12>Game in Phoenix. I still had that picture and that

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 12>was like a oh you know that moment when you

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<v Speaker 12>see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide

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<v Speaker 12>and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc.

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<v Speaker 12>But then Dan I got to really get a chance

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<v Speaker 12>to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS

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<v Speaker 12>League because he's one of the coaches.

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<v Speaker 4>But more importantly, we were.

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<v Speaker 12>In China with the NBA NBA China Games in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 12>That was Lucas rookie year and Doc was there and

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<v Speaker 12>we really had a chance to just hang out and

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<v Speaker 12>spend time because he's an abbot like me, cigar smoker,

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<v Speaker 12>so I would make sure that I have a play

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<v Speaker 12>set up that we go to that we can sit

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<v Speaker 12>and smoke and talk.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was telling stories. You know, he was with

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<v Speaker 4>the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, about it wouldn't him.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't let him play.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, think about that, Dan, if he would have stayed

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<v Speaker 12>with the Hawks, how history could have been different because

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<v Speaker 12>he's with the Virginia Squires at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>US Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And then went to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 12>He was in camp the NBA said, he said, if

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<v Speaker 12>Doc plays, you have to forfeit the games that he

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<v Speaker 12>plays in, and that's how he ended up getting to

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<v Speaker 12>the New Jersey Newts and eventually of course at the

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<v Speaker 12>Philadelphia seventy six ers. But spending time with him and

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<v Speaker 12>it's a different He's just it's something about people have aura,

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<v Speaker 12>and Doc definitely is that person that has.

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<v Speaker 2>I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and

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<v Speaker 2>the Jazz. We were in Utah, and Jim Gray says,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to join me and Doc We're going to be playing golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I'm there, and uh so we get there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth hole and there was a basket ball hoop.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a like a house right you know, behind

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<v Speaker 2>the tea box, and there was a basketball out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>So we went over in golf shoes and we're so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand

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<v Speaker 2>under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I

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<v Speaker 2>want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under

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<v Speaker 2>the hoop and put his hands up, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>dunked on him.

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<v Speaker 8>What.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on

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<v Speaker 4>the eight foot rim.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just putting on an aerial display man.

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<v Speaker 12>Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three.

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<v Speaker 12>We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Death

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<v Speaker 12>and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.120
<v Speaker 12>is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow

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<v Speaker 12>in the golf course too.

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<v Speaker 2>Though he wasn't a great as a golfer, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a great dunker. So I I love what Giannis has

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 2>brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's everybody outside of the United States versus the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and the All Star Game. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost

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<v Speaker 2>the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back.

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<v Speaker 2>And I certainly like my starting five with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the players from outside the United States. What's the negative

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<v Speaker 2>to this?

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<v Speaker 12>That the negative to me is that you have to

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<v Speaker 12>search for a way for guys to play hard and

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<v Speaker 12>search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're

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<v Speaker 12>going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking

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<v Speaker 12>their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 12>it falls back on the players and not really wanted

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<v Speaker 12>to play and play hard at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 12>When when when the top players really want to play

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<v Speaker 12>and you I'm not saying you're going to go out,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 12>hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 12>third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete,

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 12>when you're playing defense. And again I go back to

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<v Speaker 12>you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 12>the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 12>a dunk contest.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what bothers me that we have to.

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<v Speaker 12>Search that the NBA has to search for reasons to

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 12>incentivize the players to really go out and play hard.

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 12>So why are we looking at europe European players versus

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<v Speaker 12>United States?

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<v Speaker 2>Why because because we can't get them to play hard,

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you say, for your country. And if the players are

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the team world beat the Americans, now you have something.

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Now you have, oh my goodness. Then the next year

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>like now we have something. I don't watch the All

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Star Game because I said it's a glorified layup line.

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't. I don't care even the dunk contest. I

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 2>don't care. Three point You can still dress that up. Yeah,

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>you NBA and NBA you could have prior like Del

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Curry and Steph Curry could be a team. You know,

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you could. You could do something like that, and I'd

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>be fine with that. But this to me, if if

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.199
<v Speaker 2>the world beat Team USA, I think at least it

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>has a pulse.

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, how does it?

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 12>But here's the thing too, how do you Well guys

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 12>get left out because of this? And with regards to

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 12>the number of players, well, the number of players too,

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 12>because if you think about it, if you get a

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 12>twenty five players or twenty four players or whatever it

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 12>may be, and now you're looking at placing a European

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 12>team together American team, that means you can need twelve

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 12>European players, right, They's say you got twelve on the bench.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 12>I mean twelve on the team, but ironically maybe five

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 12>to eight are your real All Stars. So that means

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 12>now you're putting another four to five players that are

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 12>there that are taking spots from other players who should

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 12>be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too.

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 12>It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 12>Star team, you pick the twenty four to twenty five

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 12>best players the All Star Ironically, they're not going to

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 12>be the majority're going to be American players, but you

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 12>have to fill out that roster if is the European team,

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 12>and that means on the American side, it's going to

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 12>be guys that deserve to be an All Star that

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 12>don't end up making it if you go that way.

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 12>Not again, I don't know how they'll the process a beat,

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 12>but I think you have that as something that you

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 12>really have to look at on how that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. But I'm just

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to have the All Star Game mean something, and

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>this might be your last ditch. Deefford talking to Jim

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst. The Knicks or

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 2>happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 2>or Indiana or the Knicks you know, remembered to do well.

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 12>I think you got to give a lot of credits

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 12>to the Knicks. It was of course car Antony Town's

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.479
<v Speaker 12>got reactivated. I mean he really played extremely well, and

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 12>you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 12>shots that he took early they kind of built the

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 12>defense out. But you got to give og Ananobe credit.

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 12>He played extremely well. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride came in

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 12>and played extremely well. I mean he had a critical role,

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 12>you know in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter,

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 12>not just offensively, but defensively too, kind of making some

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 12>things happen. And when you're you know, in this situation,

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 12>you play a little bit desperate. You now O two,

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.199
<v Speaker 12>I mean down two oh on the road, and really

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 12>the pressure is kind of more on even though it's

0:27:59.119 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 12>pressure on.

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:00.159
<v Speaker 4>New York to it.

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 12>Don't get me wrong, because you go down three to zero,

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 12>it's you know, it's basically over, but you're not expected

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:07.719
<v Speaker 12>to kind of win that game just based on how

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 12>the series was going.

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 4>Even though this was you think about this.

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<v Speaker 12>Then it came every game came down to a one

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 12>or two possession game, okay, and that New York probably

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 12>sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 12>what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots,

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 12>not giving up an offensive rebound, we win those two

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 12>games at home.

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 4>And that's the mentality you have to have.

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 12>And other guys really stepped up, my I mean, Michel

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 12>Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays,

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 12>offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 12>Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench, you know,

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 12>and that says a lot about the character of that

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 12>New York team. Now, can it be duplicated, We don't know.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 12>But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win,

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 12>you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 12>lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes.

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 12>That gave New York opportunities to be able to score

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 12>the ball and eventually win the game.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but okay, it's not fair to say it, but

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>not ball dominant. Well, I'm not saying that you win

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>without him, but it's a different it's a different Knicks

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>team or style that they seem to capitalize on. Whether that,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I still think that Tibbs needs to play

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys.

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>But you have some guys who have experience and put

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>him in there, and they had to out of necessity

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more and they benefited from them.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 12>Well in the last couple of games too, well, he

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 12>went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, move

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 12>Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt,

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 12>you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 12>we got a snippet of about five and a half

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 12>minutes of no Brunson right when he left game in

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 12>the fourth quarter, came back in with about a minute

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 12>something left, and everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunton. Yeah,

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 12>but you know what, Brunton was there to both the game,

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 12>to get you to that point. So you can have

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 12>a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunton is not

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 12>there for the totality of the game. This is a

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 12>different New York team now, you're asking guys to do

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 12>this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty minutes to be

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 12>able to do what we saw in five minutes.

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 4>That's a different ask, you know.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 2>And I agree lazy analysis on people, they say, but

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense, you know, in that it made sense.

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 4>It made moments.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>without Tatum.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Stop it.

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Exactly by the way, Tyre's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the building.

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 4>But only in this week. No word near the court.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever have a family member create an incident

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>not a game.

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 12>No ever, and I had, you know, I was fortunate

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 12>my my father, my mother, they weren't. They were always

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 12>in the background. Never, No, that's my son out there.

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 12>I mean high school, college and the pro.

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 12>My relatives who came to the game that were really

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 12>close to me. They were just so happy and the

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 12>lady to be just in the building a lot of

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 12>times to be and see other players play, but proud

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 12>of what I've done.

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 4>But never friendsmates. No, I've never played with a teammate

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 4>that now.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 12>I had some that I ever have over the top,

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 12>let's say parents or crew. Yeah, maybe a little bit,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 12>but not to where it never interfered with the game. No,

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 12>maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 12>and be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 12>we saw were on the court after a game in

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 12>another player's face.

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 4>I didn't have I didn't experience that part.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I like what Okay he did, and that is I

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>don't want your best player to beat me. Now you

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>do run the risk of the other players. And the

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Edwards saying basically, I didn't have a bad game, like

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I made the right choices here where do

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>the best player on your team.

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 12>Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 12>correct analysis.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Being this. OKC made it a point in.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 12>Particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 12>of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 12>a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 12>able to get one on one.

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 4>But when you're.

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 12>Facing this OKAC team, think about this. What you want

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 12>to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 12>wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards,

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 12>who initiates the offense, comes down and sets once that

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 12>pick and roll up top with Holme, Grin or Hardenstein,

0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 12>it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding to get over

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 12>that screen. So now you don't have a switch and

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 12>you're basically back to one on one defense.

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 4>And that's what lou Dort did most of the night.

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 12>He stayed, he got over those screens, so now you

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 12>don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 12>up on an So the thirteen shots was a result

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 12>of excellent one schematically designing a defense that works, but

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 12>two the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme.

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 12>Because you could have a scheme all you want, and

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 12>coaches will tell you that they say, listen, we lost

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 12>this game because we didn't execute our game plan.

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 4>Well that wasn't a case for OKC man.

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 12>I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:47.239
<v Speaker 12>or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 12>heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic,

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 12>he was double triple team and had to get rid

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 12>of the ball.

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Most annoying defender you ever faced.

0:33:55.920 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 12>Muggsy Bogus, not even close, not even because my second

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 12>year we traded. I was in Dallas and we traded

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 12>uh Jared garper Right to New York.

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 4>So I'm playing point guard. Man.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 12>We played Charlotte, and you know, Muggsy's five two with

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 12>with with some insoles in okay, and he'll pick you

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 12>up full court and he gets up underneath you, and

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 12>the annoying is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball.

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm gon get it back over half court.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 12>But because people don't understand how strong Monkey Bogus was

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 12>at the time, even though he was didn't have the height,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 12>but his advantage was the further you wore away from

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 12>the basket. His speed is quickness and its size wasn't

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 12>a liability and not annoyed the heck out of me.

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 12>When I played against Charlotte and had to bring it

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 12>up against a smaller quicker and a defensive minded point

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 12>guard like like Muggsy Bowls, I still hate to see

0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 12>him coming.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, Muggy, may get out of here, man.

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>He was actually five to two five three.

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 4>I said what I said, what insoul's in?

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:15.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't it amazing? Though? Somebody that size could could

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>have a lengthy career in the NBA.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 12>Look at yeah he look at Spudweb. Spud Web, I

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 12>mean the same thing.

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what but in.

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 4>A different way though. Spud was a lot more affen.

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>He won the dunk contest.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and he was more Yeah, and he's Muggsy was

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 12>a terror on defense man, Yeah, a terror.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>He could play, he could be his starter.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 12>I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting day

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 12>you brought that up to, is that people talk about

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 12>guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say,

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<v Speaker 12>step are you so we just named two who were

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<v Speaker 12>small that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the

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<v Speaker 12>day when he played for Denver. Okay, he was he

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<v Speaker 12>was small, Okay. It's guys that played back in that

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<v Speaker 12>time that were smaller, leaner in a more physical league

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<v Speaker 12>that still knew how to play because they grew up

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<v Speaker 12>playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how

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<v Speaker 12>to use their size. So that's why I laugh at

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<v Speaker 12>when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in

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<v Speaker 12>the you know, late eighties and nineties. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 12>why not you know, here's examples of guys that did.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>who you got tonight? I have the knicks.

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<v Speaker 4>I like that.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm greedy because I won seven games. Man, I won

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<v Speaker 12>six to seven games in both series. I was just

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<v Speaker 12>pointed in, you know OKC and Minnesota game, and I

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<v Speaker 12>think about the Minnesota game. I say this before we go.

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<v Speaker 12>People look at ant And and Rando only scoring twenty

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<v Speaker 12>one points compared to there's seventy four between Shay and Williams.

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<v Speaker 12>But it wasn't that to me. This is a two

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<v Speaker 12>point game. Yeah, you give up twenty three turnovers, right,

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<v Speaker 12>Dan Okase had ninety four possessions. Minnesota only had eighty five.

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<v Speaker 12>That's an eleven possession different in the two point game

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<v Speaker 12>despite all what was going on. That to me, when

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<v Speaker 12>Minnesota gets themselves in trouble is when they turn the

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<v Speaker 12>ball over and they lose the possession game.

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<v Speaker 4>Good to talk to you always, brother, enjoyce and nik you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA and college basketball analyst.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a break, last call for phone calls. What

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<v Speaker 2>we learn, what's in store tomorrow after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, be sure to catch the live edition of The

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.

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<v Speaker 2>Last call for phone calls, what we learn? What's in

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<v Speaker 2>store tomorrow? DraftKings just sent me the NBA title odds update.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the Thunder big margin, and then it's the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>then the Knicks, and then the Timberwolves. A distant fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker in North Carolina, Good morning, Tuck. How can I

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<v Speaker 2>help you?

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<v Speaker 9>How you doing both?

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<v Speaker 4>Great? Six? Four one one five lean.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm honored to be on the phone with the goat.

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<v Speaker 9>Here's what I got. I got co Ed Softball League

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<v Speaker 9>first game of the season tonight, first season ever for

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<v Speaker 9>my squad, the mo runs, got all the homies, the fiance,

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<v Speaker 9>all the girlfriends on the team. Was just looking for

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<v Speaker 9>some words of encouragement. Maybe something I should tell the

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<v Speaker 9>squad before the game. Any advice from you, It would

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<v Speaker 9>be very much appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, you come to the right place, win

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<v Speaker 2>or lose, we celebrate, Tuck. That's what I would tell now,

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<v Speaker 2>good luck tonight. We're all counting on you. I look

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<v Speaker 2>for the highlights on Sports Center. Patrick in Scottsdale. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, good morning, Dan, five eleven one five, first time,

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<v Speaker 7>first time, long time listener. I'm just sitting home on

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<v Speaker 7>a vacation on my couch here and watching the show.

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<v Speaker 7>I usually listen on the radio, but I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 7>your your comments regarding doctor J. I grew up as

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<v Speaker 7>having him as my role model. He was my sports hero.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember doing a book report back in seventh grade

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<v Speaker 7>and god, I don't know if it was Sports Illustrated

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<v Speaker 7>or the Sporting News, but there was a picture of

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<v Speaker 7>him going up for a dunk and I traced it

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<v Speaker 7>out on tracing paper and I had on my book report.

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<v Speaker 7>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Patrick. Yeah, And he's one of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>when you meet him. And when I first met Joe Namath,

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<v Speaker 2>I thanked him. I said thank you for being who

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<v Speaker 2>I thought were hoping you were going to be. And

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at me like he hadn't heard that before.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my you know, I'm from a small town,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to meet these people. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>meet these people. And granted not everybody was what I

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>was hoping they were going to be, but no names,

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<v Speaker 2>but Joe Namath was doctor J. I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a long, long, long list this day in sports history, Paul, for.

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<v Speaker 6>Me, just a couple for you, Dan, please. The Preaknese Stakes,

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<v Speaker 6>the first ever Preaknis Stakes, eighteen seventy three, one by survivor.

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty eighteen, Lebron James reaches eighth straight NBA Finals. The

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<v Speaker 6>Cavs got by the Celtics, and nineteen e two three

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<v Speaker 6>New Jersey businessmen bought the NHL's Colorado Rockies. They got

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<v Speaker 6>approval to move the teams fromy to New Jersey and

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<v Speaker 6>become the Devils.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean the fact of Lebron went to nine

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<v Speaker 2>consecutive NBA finals, Yeah, that's remarkable. I saw where David Falk,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan's agent, former agent, said that if Jordan was picking,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have won fifteen titles. If he did what

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron did, he would have won fifteen titles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just that's a topic for another day. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't it's I don't know of a star, a

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<v Speaker 2>truly transcendent, one of the all time grades, who takes

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<v Speaker 2>more abuse than Lebron James does. He just takes strays

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Yeah, I don't know that that is

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<v Speaker 2>a topic for another day. Got admit, you know, Michael

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<v Speaker 2>could have won fifteen if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 4>He chose to not.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that kind of crap.

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<v Speaker 5>I know he wanted to win as many as he

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<v Speaker 5>possibly could.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he had, that's what he got. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>just say, you know what this year, well, I let

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else take it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and I was really expecting David Fouk, who made

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<v Speaker 6>millions off Michael Jordan, to be objective about this discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we learned today. Have a great day, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to you tomorrow.