1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 2: Final Hour on this Tuesday. I hope you had a 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: great weekend. Gangs all here refreshed, ready to go Fritzy 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: of course the Minister of Humor and inadvertently accidentally provided 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: some humor in the first hour of the program as 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: we learned that bears apparently can spawn. I thought that 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: only samon could, but Todd found out that bears can 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: spawn in video games. In video games, yeah, seems to go. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: To the next level of research. And that's something that 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: could happen maybe in a video game, but not in 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: real life. 13 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: Really not in real life bears they don't spawn. They 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: just have cups. They hybridate and have cups. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 4: There's no eggs involved, I guess or something. 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works. 17 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: But thank you Todd. You continue to add value to 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: that NYU educre. 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: It is yes, that gonna have you back to make 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: a speech or you know, send the graduates on their way. 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: I can't imagine they would have you come back for 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: a commencement speech. 23 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: I haven't gotten anything yet from them corresponding success more money. 24 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be waiting at the at the mail box. 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: That's all they're looking for. 26 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: Long commencement speech, A long, long commencement speech. So Fritzy 27 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: is here, Seaton, mar Paul yours truly the brg's We'll 28 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: talk to Jim Jackson covering the NBA playoffs, the Fox 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Turner basketball analyst. The Knicks are two and a half 30 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: point underdogs of the Pacers coming up tonight. The Thunder 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: up three to one on the Timberwolves. As SGA gets 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: his MVP and then acts like one and gets forty 33 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: points eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by, 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 2: we'll get some more phone calls, your best and worst 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: of the weekend. By the way, it was on this 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: date back in nineteen eighty one, and it was a 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: big moment. And I remember it because I got a 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: chance to watch this guy play, but the rest of 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: the country did not really get a chance to see 40 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: him play. Doctor j won the MVP in the ABA, 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: and on this date in nineteen eighty one, won the 42 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: MVP in the NBA. There's a couple of players who 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: missed their window to showcase their greatness. Elgin Baylor was 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: one of the first longtime Laker great. I think that 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: Kareem Abdul Jabbar lu Al Sindor when he was with 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: the Bucks, when he was first starting out. Oscar Robertson 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: spent most of his career in Cincinnati. Only known for 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: one thing, and that's the triple double, but he was 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: so much more than that. Jerry West, his playing career 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: was unbelievable, but he kept losing in the finals. He 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: only won one title. Wilt Chamberlain's different. You know, Wilt 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: was Babe Ruth with the NBA. But Doctor J was 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: one of those players that there was just nobody like him. 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: And he wasn't as refined as you know, some of 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: the great players, but you know, as far as athleticism 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: on the break, dunking on people transition was, he was spectacular. 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: And I go back to that Portland Trail Blazer series 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: when the seventy six ers what two games to none 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: on Bill Walton and the Blazers, and you know, I 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: think we thought it was going to be a sweep 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: and then it was Portland won four in a row 62 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: and Doctor J was unbelievable in that series. Unbelievable. And 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: that was a sixer team that had stars, maybe too 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: many stars, but Doc was he was just different. He 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: was at a different level. And to have seen him 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: in the ABA two games. I saw him play one 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: against the Kentucky Colonels, but it was just different. You 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: didn't have somebody. I had not seen somebody like him 69 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: when he came along, but he just he missed out 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: on that window of opportunity. And I'm trying to think, 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other players, but those are the ones 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: that come to mind where you go God that if 73 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: you look back, nobody was doing what he was doing. 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: Yes, I just remember being a kid and seeing Doctor 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 5: J and being like, WHOA, that dude is different. That's 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 5: amazing what he's doing. And then that seemed to in 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 5: my mind anyway, handed right off to like Dominique Wilkins, 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 5: where it was like, did you see that guy dunk? 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: That was unbelievable. 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 5: They were just doing things that nobody else seemed to 81 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 5: even understand. 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: And growing up in a small town in Ohio, we 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: would read about this. You'd read about Doctor J that 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: he went to Rutger Park and he's playing in the 85 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: league and dunking on people and dominating, and you know, 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: you're just Crowds would come out to see him that 87 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, they'd be on buildings, they were in trees, 88 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: they were however, you could get a glimpse of Doctor J. 89 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: And it became so powerful of And I remember they 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: were playing a preseason game in Cincinnati and got to 91 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: go over and see him. And I just remember watching 92 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: him and lay up line. So I'd go down on 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: the floor and I would just be underneath the basket. 94 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: I'd just be standing there, not like right under but 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: behind it, by the stanchion they call it. And I 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: just watched him just everything about him, and he had 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: these massive hands and he just he seemed to float. 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: But he missed out on that. Now he's one of 99 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: the all time greats. He's not mentioned. When's the last 100 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: time Doctor J was mentioned in the top fifteen of 101 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: all time greats? And okay, maybe he's not if you 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 2: look at the stats, if I combine ABA and NBA, 103 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: if I combined you know, his style contributions to the game, 104 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: Like he's he's one of the great talents. I mean, 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: we Mike is obviously the greatest player. Okay, Doctor J 106 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: had all of that talent, but he missed his window. 107 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: He missed his window. You know, Jordan's games were all 108 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: on TV. You can go back and watch all of those. 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: You know, Kareem when he came in with the Bucks, 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, we had not seen that ever. You'd 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: never No, we saw him in college, but in the 112 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: NBA you'd never seen a big man who had that 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: much style, jazz type moves. But I just remember Doctor 114 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: j I'm glad I got to see him play twice 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: and he didn't disappoint. Yeah. 116 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 6: Paul Julius Irving played five years in the ABA before 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 6: nineteen seventy six. He was the MVP three out of 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 6: those five years. The other two years he finished second. 119 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 6: When he got through the NBA, he finished top five 120 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 6: for MVP four times after age thirty. 121 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: That's tough to do. 122 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 6: But when Magic and Bird are entering the league, Doctor 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 6: J's twenty nine years old, so he's going on the 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 6: back half. Stats were still really good. But he's the 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 6: ultimate example. If he were born four years later, five 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 6: years later, it had been Bird, Magic, Doctor then handing 127 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: off to Jordan. 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, here's Doctor j An MVP in 129 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. Bird and Magic are just coming into 130 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: the NBA and then they took it to another level, obviously, 131 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you know, Jordan came 132 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: in and said, I'll take it from here. By the way, 133 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: it was ten years later. So this is nineteen ninety 134 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: one when the Pistons walked off the floor. When so 135 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: there's seven point, there's almost there's like eight seconds left, 136 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: and this is when the Bulls swept the Pistons to 137 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: go to the NBA Finals. And that's when Isaiah and 138 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: company walked off the floor. There was eight seconds to go. 139 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: And I mean. 140 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: That was a rivalry, but let's keep in mind the 141 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: Pistons were the ones winning the rivalry. The Bulls caught 142 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: him and then beat them, and the Pistons acted like 143 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: children walking off the floor. 144 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 145 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 6: Pulling the other thing about Julie's irving, he had three 146 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 6: versions of the same nickname. He went by doctor j 147 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 6: the doctor or Doc. If you'd listen to different calls. 148 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 6: I was watching YouTube, but like when you're a kid, 149 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 6: you're here, Oh the doctor had forty four last night? 150 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: You didn't you need to use a name? 151 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Seeden, I feel like you've called him doc before? 152 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: Am I making that up? I have called him doc. 153 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 5: I feel like we maybe that time was did you 154 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: talk to him in the airport that day? Airport and 155 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 5: you're like, hey, Doc, I'm almost positive you said that. 156 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was there towards the end of his career. 157 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was his last game, but 158 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: it was a playoff game, and I just remember he 159 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: was in the trainer's room and he was icing down 160 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: his knees and it felt like he put his palms 161 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: on his kneecaps and his fingers went down like to 162 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: his ankles. It was like, you know, et if et 163 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: was going to have a model after his hands, you know, 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: with more fingers, it would have been doctor j Phone. 165 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: Oh and I just remember, Doc look beaten, you know 166 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: when you see somebody towards the end of their career. 167 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: And you know, he used to wear those knee braces, 168 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: and I mean the number of times that he jumped, dunked, 169 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: landing on asphalt, you know, not having the great shoes. 170 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, he was there and then all of 171 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: a sudden, Burden Magic took it and they didn't give 172 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: it back until Jordan took it from them. So just 173 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: decide story there. Kyle in Missouri leads us off this 174 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: final hour. Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today? 175 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: What's up? 176 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: Dan? 177 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 7: Hey? 178 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: Kyle six three two twenty Dan pleasure? 179 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: Hold on, Dan? 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 8: Are you there? 181 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 7: Yes? 182 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: I am, Kyle, Yes, I am. 183 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 7: Okay, all right, I'm watching on CAI Who'll run? 184 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: Never mind now, we'll do it again sometime. No no, 185 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: no, no no no, Kyle. If you're just you're just figuring 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: out things you waited a long time to. Maybe another day, Kyle, Okay, 187 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: Jamie and Oklahoma, Hi Jamie, what's on your mind today? 188 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: Heybe Pete? Great script writing today? 189 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 7: That Baron Salmon bit that Fritzi wrote, Oh amazing? 190 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: Uh, Fritzy, what's up? 191 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 7: Kelly Slater of. 192 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: Comedy over there? 193 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: I really wish. 194 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 7: We keep this going. 195 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: We're gonna win. 196 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 6: We got us to sports, Ammy baby, we got us one. 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: All right now? Thank you? 198 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: Jamie. Yeah, I wish that we could script things that 199 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: were that funny that Fritzy telling me that bears spawned. 200 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Let's see Howard in Indiana. Hi Howard, what's on your 201 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: mind today? Morning? 202 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 9: Dan? 203 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 8: First time, long time? 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 205 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 8: I was catching up on your show this weekend through 206 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 8: the podcast, and I listened to your interview with Wayne Gretzky, 207 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 8: and I know in the past you've kind of made 208 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 8: mention of what a genuinely down to earth, pretty decent 209 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 8: dude he is. When you asked him if he was 210 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 8: the greatest hockey player of all time, his response actually 211 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 8: caused me to choke up because he said right away, no, no, no, 212 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 8: and then he paid tribute to Gordy Hall and Bobby Hall. 213 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 8: And I mean, clearly he's the greatest hockey player of 214 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 8: all time. But I don't even think he was being 215 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 8: falsely modest in that moment. I mean, in this day 216 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 8: and age of self promotion that I just that response 217 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 8: was so refreshing. And even when you asked him if 218 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 8: he held a grudge against anyone, he was sort of 219 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 8: taken aback. I think he responded like me, oh no, no, no, 220 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 8: that was awesome. I just wanted to share my thoughts 221 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 8: on that. 222 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 223 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: Once again, if you're ever around him, you would never 224 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: know that that's one of the greatest hockey players or 225 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: the greatest. And to live up to the hype we 226 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: talk about Lebron James living up to the hype, Gretzky 227 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: had more heighte than anybody. They were calling him the 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: great one when he's ten or eleven and he is 229 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: acting like the great one, and then he comes into 230 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: the WHA and then you know, eventually goes to the NHL. 231 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: And he lived up to and surpassed that. And I 232 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: think that's the remarkable part of it. And when you 233 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: see him, you, I mean, it looks like he's five ten, 234 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty and he he understood the game. 235 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: That's why we always get caught up in oh my god, 236 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: look at that guy, that size or what it's you 237 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: have to understand the game. If I put Eric Lindross 238 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: and I'm Wayne Gretzky, and I say who had the 239 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: better career? I mean, Wayne looks like Eric Lindross's agent, 240 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: Like he'd be like, oh, that's that's his agent there 241 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: not he's the best player in hockey. Now there's other players. 242 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: To me, I think Mary Olemieux could have ended up 243 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: as the greatest player of all time. That size, that speed, dexterity, 244 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: he was unbelievable. Uh you know, had cancer, but what 245 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: he did when he did it, for as long as 246 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: he did it, he was remarkable. You know, you get 247 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: an argument that Messier was a better player than Wayne 248 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: or GORDI Howe was I mean, that's for the hockey 249 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,239 Speaker 2: purist to decide. I was just talking about the personality. 250 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: And it's rare when you meet people that you would 251 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: and they live up to what you thought they were 252 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: going to be or who they were going to be. 253 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: And he certainly is that person, every bit that person, 254 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: nothing but respect for him. And there's nothing bragging. He 255 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: could easily brag. There's no brag. There's not even a 256 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: humble brag. He didn't even joke about that, and he 257 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: could easily do that. 258 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 6: Yes, bo, if you want to have fun sometime, go 259 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 6: to Hockey Reference and just look back at Wayne Gretzy's stats. 260 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 6: It looks like they've been hacked because they don't look real. 261 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 6: At age nineteen, he had fifty one goals, eighty six assists, 262 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty seven points, won all the trophies 263 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 6: and he was nineteen. 264 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: You know, they need to name the MVP Trophy after wayneam. 265 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's where I'd like when we 266 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: move forward with things. I know that we go, Oh, 267 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's tradition er. Don't want to lose sight of, 268 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: you know, a previous generation. I understand all of that, 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: but like Therry O'Brien Trophy. That's for winning an NBA championship. Okay, 270 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: you know, but maybe something different the MVP. I've said, 271 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, the Bill Russell Ward or Larry and Magic 272 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: and the Eastern Conference Western car like then it's you 273 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: get more things involved than you do appreciate the history 274 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: of the sport. I don't want to erase all the 275 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: great things about you know, prior generations, but I also 276 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: want to acknowledge another generation that came after them. And 277 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: why not just name the MVP Afterueno. I think that'd 278 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: be fine. He might not want it. I mean, go 279 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: back to if you want to have a humble but 280 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: I mean Jerry West was the logo, although the NBA 281 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: didn't acknowledge that, but he's the logo. I think he 282 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: was embarrassed that he was singled out as the logo. 283 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: I do, and Jerry never talked about his career, but 284 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: he was extremely competitive, extremely but it wasn't about you 285 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: know him. 286 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't tell if Jerry West was embarrassed that 287 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: he was the logo or annoyed that the league wouldn't 288 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: admit it, you. 289 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: Know, like he seemed to be a little like man 290 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: it'd be cool. 291 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 5: To maybe get some more of what came along with 292 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: being the logo rather than just sort of this loose 293 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 5: idea that we think it's Jerry West. 294 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that they can find the picture that 295 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: they took the artwork from, I mean, that's that's it's 296 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: derived from this picture, and I go, how can you 297 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: deny that that's not Jerry? But they would have owed 298 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: him a lot of money, a lot of money, and 299 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: I don't think it was that for Jerry as much 300 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: as just you know, if you're saying I mean that's me, 301 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: just say it to me. Yeah, I mean, it's okay, 302 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: what Pauline. 303 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 6: They should have given Jerry West one check in perpetuity. 304 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: Here's three million dollars and we get the rights to 305 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 6: the logo forever. And Jerry West probably would have taken 306 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 6: it three million, have done a lot of good work. 307 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe ten million, sure something. Now do you change 308 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: the logo at any point? Do you change it and 309 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: make it someone like Michael Jordan, even though he has 310 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: his own logo. Mike's not going to give that to you, 311 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: by the way, that's not happening. I don't know if 312 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: we change I mean, I love the logo. But I 313 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: don't know if we move forward with any other sport 314 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: where you go, you know what, we're going to change that. 315 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: That's that guy because of you know, the licensing deals 316 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,479 Speaker 2: with this, you probably can't get away. If the WNBA 317 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: did that with Caitlyn Clark, there'd be an outcry. Of course, 318 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: anything with Caitlyn Clark, there's an outcry. It's still amazing, 319 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: you know the people who use that as a platform. 320 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: Angel reson Caitlin Clark to tell us what's really deep 321 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: seated in them. They use her in this rivalry and 322 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: it's really sad. I mean the Ryan Clark you know 323 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: RG three, I mean, that is ugly and nobody wins. 324 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 2: And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for Ryan Clark. 325 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: He since apologized. But that's deep rooted stuff that's on you. 326 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with these two women there. It's 327 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: on you. Let me take a break. We'll talk to 328 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: Jim Jackson. He'll join us. Coming up next to your 329 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick show. 330 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 331 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: the nation. 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Get to more 360 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: of your phone calls coming up eight seven to seven 361 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, 362 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: Twitter handlelydpshow. He's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA also college 363 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: basketball analysts joining us on the program. I've just spending 364 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window. 365 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: You know, when Bird and Magic came in, and then 366 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: Mike came in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody 367 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: before that, Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit. 368 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: Doctor J did. And I got a chance to see 369 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: Doc play twice in the ABA and wow, so it 370 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: was just different. That was he was playing against the 371 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really 372 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: really good artist Gilmore was on the team, and Doc 373 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: was just dunking on people in traffic like it was 374 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: like a wild and I had not seen somebody play 375 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: like that. Have you met Doctor J. 376 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 12: Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers 377 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 12: fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was 378 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 12: close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro. 379 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: And it was moving. 380 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 12: I wanted to try to have an afro like Doctor J. 381 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 12: And you know at that time too, you know NBA Finals, 382 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 12: I think when they played the Magic his rookie year 383 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 12: and that thing was on take the lay back in the. 384 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: Day, remember that. 385 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 12: But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star 386 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 12: Game in Phoenix. I still had that picture and that 387 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 12: was like a oh you know that moment when you 388 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 12: see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide 389 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 12: and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc. 390 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 12: But then Dan I got to really get a chance 391 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 12: to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS 392 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 12: League because he's one of the coaches. 393 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: But more importantly, we were. 394 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 12: In China with the NBA NBA China Games in twenty eighteen. 395 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 12: That was Lucas rookie year and Doc was there and 396 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 12: we really had a chance to just hang out and 397 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 12: spend time because he's an abbot like me, cigar smoker, 398 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 12: so I would make sure that I have a play 399 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 12: set up that we go to that we can sit 400 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 12: and smoke and talk. 401 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: And he was telling stories. You know, he was with 402 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 4: the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that? 403 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, about it wouldn't him. 404 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 4: They wouldn't let him play. 405 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 12: Yeah, think about that, Dan, if he would have stayed 406 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 12: with the Hawks, how history could have been different because 407 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 12: he's with the Virginia Squires at the time. 408 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: US Yeah. 409 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then went to Atlanta. 410 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 12: He was in camp the NBA said, he said, if 411 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 12: Doc plays, you have to forfeit the games that he 412 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 12: plays in, and that's how he ended up getting to 413 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 12: the New Jersey Newts and eventually of course at the 414 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 12: Philadelphia seventy six ers. But spending time with him and 415 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 12: it's a different He's just it's something about people have aura, 416 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 12: and Doc definitely is that person that has. 417 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and 418 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: the Jazz. We were in Utah, and Jim Gray says, 419 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: when you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want 420 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 2: to join me and Doc We're going to be playing golf. 421 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm there, and uh so we get there. 422 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like 423 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: the fifteenth hole and there was a basket ball hoop. 424 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: There was a like a house right you know, behind 425 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: the tea box, and there was a basketball out there. 426 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: And I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot. 427 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: So we went over in golf shoes and we're so 428 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand 429 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet 430 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I 431 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under 432 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: the hoop and put his hands up, and then I 433 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: dunked on him. 434 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 8: What. 435 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on 436 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: the eight foot rim. 437 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm just putting on an aerial display man. 438 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 12: Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three. 439 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 12: We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Death 440 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 12: and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything 441 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 12: is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow 442 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 12: in the golf course too. 443 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: Though he wasn't a great as a golfer, he was 444 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: a great dunker. So I I love what Giannis has 445 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago, 446 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: and that's everybody outside of the United States versus the 447 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: United States and the All Star Game. And I said, well, 448 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost 449 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back. 450 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: And I certainly like my starting five with you know, 451 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: the players from outside the United States. What's the negative 452 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: to this? 453 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 12: That the negative to me is that you have to 454 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 12: search for a way for guys to play hard and 455 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 12: search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're 456 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 12: going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking 457 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 12: their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because 458 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 12: it falls back on the players and not really wanted 459 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 12: to play and play hard at the end of the day. 460 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 12: When when when the top players really want to play 461 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 12: and you I'm not saying you're going to go out, 462 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 12: you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to 463 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 12: hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that 464 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 12: third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete, 465 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 12: when you're playing defense. And again I go back to 466 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 12: you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when 467 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 12: the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just 468 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 12: a dunk contest. 469 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: That's what bothers me that we have to. 470 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 12: Search that the NBA has to search for reasons to 471 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 12: incentivize the players to really go out and play hard. 472 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 12: So why are we looking at europe European players versus 473 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 12: United States? 474 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: Why because because we can't get them to play hard, 475 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: you say, for your country. And if the players are 476 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: the team world beat the Americans, now you have something. 477 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: Now you have, oh my goodness. Then the next year 478 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: like now we have something. I don't watch the All 479 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: Star Game because I said it's a glorified layup line. 480 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: I couldn't. I don't care even the dunk contest. I 481 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: don't care. Three point You can still dress that up. Yeah, 482 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: you NBA and NBA you could have prior like Del 483 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: Curry and Steph Curry could be a team. You know, 484 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: you could. You could do something like that, and I'd 485 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: be fine with that. But this to me, if if 486 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 2: the world beat Team USA, I think at least it 487 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: has a pulse. 488 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: Well, how does it? 489 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 12: But here's the thing too, how do you Well guys 490 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 12: get left out because of this? And with regards to 491 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 12: the number of players, well, the number of players too, 492 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 12: because if you think about it, if you get a 493 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 12: twenty five players or twenty four players or whatever it 494 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 12: may be, and now you're looking at placing a European 495 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 12: team together American team, that means you can need twelve 496 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 12: European players, right, They's say you got twelve on the bench. 497 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 12: I mean twelve on the team, but ironically maybe five 498 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 12: to eight are your real All Stars. So that means 499 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 12: now you're putting another four to five players that are 500 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 12: there that are taking spots from other players who should 501 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 12: be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too. 502 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 12: It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All 503 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 12: Star team, you pick the twenty four to twenty five 504 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 12: best players the All Star Ironically, they're not going to 505 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 12: be the majority're going to be American players, but you 506 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 12: have to fill out that roster if is the European team, 507 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 12: and that means on the American side, it's going to 508 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 12: be guys that deserve to be an All Star that 509 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 12: don't end up making it if you go that way. 510 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 12: Not again, I don't know how they'll the process a beat, 511 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 12: but I think you have that as something that you 512 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 12: really have to look at on how that makes sense. 513 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. But I'm just 514 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: trying to have the All Star Game mean something, and 515 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: this might be your last ditch. Deefford talking to Jim 516 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst. The Knicks or 517 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What 518 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do 519 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: or Indiana or the Knicks you know, remembered to do well. 520 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 12: I think you got to give a lot of credits 521 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 12: to the Knicks. It was of course car Antony Town's 522 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 12: got reactivated. I mean he really played extremely well, and 523 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 12: you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some 524 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 12: shots that he took early they kind of built the 525 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 12: defense out. But you got to give og Ananobe credit. 526 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 12: He played extremely well. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride came in 527 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 12: and played extremely well. I mean he had a critical role, 528 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 12: you know in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter, 529 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 12: not just offensively, but defensively too, kind of making some 530 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 12: things happen. And when you're you know, in this situation, 531 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 12: you play a little bit desperate. You now O two, 532 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 12: I mean down two oh on the road, and really 533 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 12: the pressure is kind of more on even though it's 534 00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 12: pressure on. 535 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 4: New York to it. 536 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 12: Don't get me wrong, because you go down three to zero, 537 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 12: it's you know, it's basically over, but you're not expected 538 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 12: to kind of win that game just based on how 539 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 12: the series was going. 540 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: Even though this was you think about this. 541 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 12: Then it came every game came down to a one 542 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 12: or two possession game, okay, and that New York probably 543 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 12: sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up 544 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 12: what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots, 545 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 12: not giving up an offensive rebound, we win those two 546 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 12: games at home. 547 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 4: And that's the mentality you have to have. 548 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 12: And other guys really stepped up, my I mean, Michel 549 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 12: Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays, 550 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 12: offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know, 551 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 12: Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench, you know, 552 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 12: and that says a lot about the character of that 553 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 12: New York team. Now, can it be duplicated, We don't know. 554 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 12: But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win, 555 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 12: you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a 556 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 12: lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes. 557 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 12: That gave New York opportunities to be able to score 558 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 12: the ball and eventually win the game. 559 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, it's not fair to say it, but 560 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson 561 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: not ball dominant. Well, I'm not saying that you win 562 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: without him, but it's a different it's a different Knicks 563 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: team or style that they seem to capitalize on. Whether that, 564 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, I still think that Tibbs needs to play 565 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys. 566 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: But you have some guys who have experience and put 567 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: him in there, and they had to out of necessity 568 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved 569 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more and they benefited from them. 570 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 12: Well in the last couple of games too, well, he 571 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 12: went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, move 572 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 12: Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt, 573 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 12: you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because 574 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 12: we got a snippet of about five and a half 575 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 12: minutes of no Brunson right when he left game in 576 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 12: the fourth quarter, came back in with about a minute 577 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 12: something left, and everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunton. Yeah, 578 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 12: but you know what, Brunton was there to both the game, 579 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 12: to get you to that point. So you can have 580 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 12: a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunton is not 581 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 12: there for the totality of the game. This is a 582 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 12: different New York team now, you're asking guys to do 583 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 12: this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty minutes to be 584 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 12: able to do what we saw in five minutes. 585 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: That's a different ask, you know. 586 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: And I agree lazy analysis on people, they say, but 587 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: it makes sense, you know, in that it made sense. 588 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: It made moments. 589 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better 590 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: without Tatum. 591 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 4: Stop it. 592 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: Exactly by the way, Tyre's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in 593 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: the building. 594 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 4: But only in this week. No word near the court. 595 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: Did you ever have a family member create an incident 596 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: not a game. 597 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 12: No ever, and I had, you know, I was fortunate 598 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 12: my my father, my mother, they weren't. They were always 599 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 12: in the background. Never, No, that's my son out there. 600 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 12: I mean high school, college and the pro. 601 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: Uh. 602 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 12: My relatives who came to the game that were really 603 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 12: close to me. They were just so happy and the 604 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 12: lady to be just in the building a lot of 605 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 12: times to be and see other players play, but proud 606 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 12: of what I've done. 607 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 4: But never friendsmates. No, I've never played with a teammate 608 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 4: that now. 609 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 12: I had some that I ever have over the top, 610 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 12: let's say parents or crew. Yeah, maybe a little bit, 611 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 12: but not to where it never interfered with the game. No, 612 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 12: maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel 613 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 12: and be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what 614 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 12: we saw were on the court after a game in 615 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 12: another player's face. 616 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 4: I didn't have I didn't experience that part. 617 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: I like what Okay he did, and that is I 618 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: don't want your best player to beat me. Now you 619 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: do run the risk of the other players. And the 620 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony 621 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: Edwards saying basically, I didn't have a bad game, like 622 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: you know, I made the right choices here where do 623 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for 624 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: the best player on your team. 625 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 12: Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a 626 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 12: correct analysis. 627 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 4: Being this. OKC made it a point in. 628 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 12: Particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot 629 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 12: of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had 630 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 12: a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was 631 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 12: able to get one on one. 632 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: But when you're. 633 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 12: Facing this OKAC team, think about this. What you want 634 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 12: to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody 635 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 12: wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards, 636 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 12: who initiates the offense, comes down and sets once that 637 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 12: pick and roll up top with Holme, Grin or Hardenstein, 638 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 12: it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding to get over 639 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 12: that screen. So now you don't have a switch and 640 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 12: you're basically back to one on one defense. 641 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 4: And that's what lou Dort did most of the night. 642 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 12: He stayed, he got over those screens, so now you 643 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 12: don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded 644 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 12: up on an So the thirteen shots was a result 645 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 12: of excellent one schematically designing a defense that works, but 646 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 12: two the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme. 647 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 12: Because you could have a scheme all you want, and 648 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 12: coaches will tell you that they say, listen, we lost 649 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 12: this game because we didn't execute our game plan. 650 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 4: Well that wasn't a case for OKC man. 651 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 12: I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation 652 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,239 Speaker 12: or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a 653 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 12: heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic, 654 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 12: he was double triple team and had to get rid 655 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 12: of the ball. 656 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: Most annoying defender you ever faced. 657 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 12: Muggsy Bogus, not even close, not even because my second 658 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 12: year we traded. I was in Dallas and we traded 659 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 12: uh Jared garper Right to New York. 660 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 4: So I'm playing point guard. Man. 661 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 12: We played Charlotte, and you know, Muggsy's five two with 662 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 12: with with some insoles in okay, and he'll pick you 663 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 12: up full court and he gets up underneath you, and 664 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 12: the annoying is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball. 665 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 4: I'm gon get it back over half court. 666 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 12: But because people don't understand how strong Monkey Bogus was 667 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 12: at the time, even though he was didn't have the height, 668 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 12: but his advantage was the further you wore away from 669 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 12: the basket. His speed is quickness and its size wasn't 670 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 12: a liability and not annoyed the heck out of me. 671 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 12: When I played against Charlotte and had to bring it 672 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 12: up against a smaller quicker and a defensive minded point 673 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 12: guard like like Muggsy Bowls, I still hate to see 674 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 12: him coming. 675 00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 4: I'm like, Muggy, may get out of here, man. 676 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: He was actually five to two five three. 677 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: I said what I said, what insoul's in? 678 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it amazing? Though? Somebody that size could could 679 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: have a lengthy career in the NBA. 680 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 12: Look at yeah he look at Spudweb. Spud Web, I 681 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 12: mean the same thing. 682 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what but in. 683 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 4: A different way though. Spud was a lot more affen. 684 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: He won the dunk contest. 685 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 12: Yeah, and he was more Yeah, and he's Muggsy was 686 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 12: a terror on defense man, Yeah, a terror. 687 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 2: He could play, he could be his starter. 688 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 12: I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting day 689 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 12: you brought that up to, is that people talk about 690 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 12: guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say, 691 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 12: step are you so we just named two who were 692 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 12: small that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the 693 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 12: day when he played for Denver. Okay, he was he 694 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 12: was small, Okay. It's guys that played back in that 695 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 12: time that were smaller, leaner in a more physical league 696 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 12: that still knew how to play because they grew up 697 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 12: playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how 698 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 12: to use their size. So that's why I laugh at 699 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 12: when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in 700 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 12: the you know, late eighties and nineties. I'm like, well, 701 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 12: why not you know, here's examples of guys that did. 702 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes, 703 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 2: who you got tonight? I have the knicks. 704 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 4: I like that. 705 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 12: I'm greedy because I won seven games. Man, I won 706 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 12: six to seven games in both series. I was just 707 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 12: pointed in, you know OKC and Minnesota game, and I 708 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 12: think about the Minnesota game. I say this before we go. 709 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 12: People look at ant And and Rando only scoring twenty 710 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 12: one points compared to there's seventy four between Shay and Williams. 711 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 12: But it wasn't that to me. This is a two 712 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 12: point game. Yeah, you give up twenty three turnovers, right, 713 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 12: Dan Okase had ninety four possessions. Minnesota only had eighty five. 714 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 12: That's an eleven possession different in the two point game 715 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 12: despite all what was going on. That to me, when 716 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 12: Minnesota gets themselves in trouble is when they turn the 717 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 12: ball over and they lose the possession game. 718 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 4: Good to talk to you always, brother, enjoyce and nik you. 719 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: That's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA and college basketball analyst. 720 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: We'll take a break, last call for phone calls. What 721 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: we learn, what's in store tomorrow after. 722 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: This, be sure to catch the live edition of The 723 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am 724 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP. 725 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 2: Last call for phone calls, what we learn? What's in 726 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: store tomorrow? DraftKings just sent me the NBA title odds update. 727 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: It is the Thunder big margin, and then it's the Pacers, 728 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: then the Knicks, and then the Timberwolves. A distant fourth 729 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 2: Tucker in North Carolina, Good morning, Tuck. How can I 730 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 2: help you? 731 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 9: How you doing both? 732 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 4: Great? Six? Four one one five lean. 733 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 9: I'm honored to be on the phone with the goat. 734 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 9: Here's what I got. I got co Ed Softball League 735 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 9: first game of the season tonight, first season ever for 736 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 9: my squad, the mo runs, got all the homies, the fiance, 737 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 9: all the girlfriends on the team. Was just looking for 738 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 9: some words of encouragement. Maybe something I should tell the 739 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 9: squad before the game. Any advice from you, It would 740 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 9: be very much appreciated. 741 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: All right, well, you come to the right place, win 742 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: or lose, we celebrate, Tuck. That's what I would tell now, 743 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: good luck tonight. We're all counting on you. I look 744 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 2: for the highlights on Sports Center. Patrick in Scottsdale. Patrick 745 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: what's on your mind? 746 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Dan, five eleven one five, first time, 747 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 7: first time, long time listener. I'm just sitting home on 748 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 7: a vacation on my couch here and watching the show. 749 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 7: I usually listen on the radio, but I really appreciate 750 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 7: your your comments regarding doctor J. I grew up as 751 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 7: having him as my role model. He was my sports hero. 752 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 7: I remember doing a book report back in seventh grade 753 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 7: and god, I don't know if it was Sports Illustrated 754 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 7: or the Sporting News, but there was a picture of 755 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 7: him going up for a dunk and I traced it 756 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 7: out on tracing paper and I had on my book report. 757 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 7: It was awesome. 758 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: Thank you Patrick. Yeah, And he's one of those guys 759 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 2: when you meet him. And when I first met Joe Namath, 760 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: I thanked him. I said thank you for being who 761 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: I thought were hoping you were going to be. And 762 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: he looked at me like he hadn't heard that before. 763 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 2: But in my you know, I'm from a small town, 764 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: I'm never going to meet these people. And then you 765 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: meet these people. And granted not everybody was what I 766 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 2: was hoping they were going to be, but no names, 767 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: but Joe Namath was doctor J. I mean, there's there's 768 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 2: a long, long, long list this day in sports history, Paul, for. 769 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 6: Me, just a couple for you, Dan, please. The Preaknese Stakes, 770 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 6: the first ever Preaknis Stakes, eighteen seventy three, one by survivor. 771 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 6: Twenty eighteen, Lebron James reaches eighth straight NBA Finals. The 772 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 6: Cavs got by the Celtics, and nineteen e two three 773 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 6: New Jersey businessmen bought the NHL's Colorado Rockies. They got 774 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 6: approval to move the teams fromy to New Jersey and 775 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 6: become the Devils. 776 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the fact of Lebron went to nine 777 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 2: consecutive NBA finals, Yeah, that's remarkable. I saw where David Falk, 778 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's agent, former agent, said that if Jordan was picking, 779 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: he would have won fifteen titles. If he did what 780 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: Lebron did, he would have won fifteen titles. I mean, 781 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: that's just that's a topic for another day. But I mean, 782 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't it's I don't know of a star, a 783 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 2: truly transcendent, one of the all time grades, who takes 784 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: more abuse than Lebron James does. He just takes strays 785 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, I don't know that that is 786 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 2: a topic for another day. Got admit, you know, Michael 787 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 2: could have won fifteen if you wanted to. 788 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 4: He chose to not. 789 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 2: I hate that kind of crap. 790 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 5: I know he wanted to win as many as he 791 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 5: possibly could. 792 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 2: That's what he had, that's what he got. He didn't 793 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: just say, you know what this year, well, I let 794 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 2: somebody else take it. 795 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I was really expecting David Fouk, who made 796 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 6: millions off Michael Jordan, to be objective about this discussion. 797 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: That's what we learned today. Have a great day, everybody. 798 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow.