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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. Our friend Mark
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Speaker 3: Mark. Good to see you.
Speaker 1: Hey, great to be here again. I love this show.
Speaker 1: I love watching this.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We're trying to Clay and Buck. We're trying to just
Speaker 2: keep keep it all moving and try to help save
Speaker 2: the country. As I know you are as well. So
Speaker 2: you're there right in the mix and in the midst
Speaker 2: of it in New York City. As this Trump trial
Speaker 2: is underway, it just seems kind of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You have to slap yourself and say, I can't believe
Speaker 2: this is even happening.
Speaker 3: Let's start with this. Do you think do you think
Speaker 3: that the the jury.
Speaker 2: Is it possible for Trump to get a fair trial
Speaker 2: with the jury pool in New York City, they're going
Speaker 2: to be seeing them pretty soon.
Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, probably not. You know, they had
Speaker 1: him fill out this questionnaire about everything to see if
Speaker 1: there was any bias. I don't know why they didn't
Speaker 1: have the judge fill out the questionnaire. This guy wouldn't
Speaker 1: get him a trial. He's got a history of serious
Speaker 1: Trump hatred, you know. And some of these jurors. There
Speaker 1: was one that said, watch his CNN, watches ms NBC,
Speaker 1: But I could be fair. Well, you can't be even
Speaker 1: if you try, because you've been subjected to all this
Speaker 1: propaganda on those two networks. It's gonna be tough to
Speaker 1: get a fair trial. It already is unfair. Alan Dershowitz
Speaker 1: has said the gag order, he's totally unconstitutional. Not allowing
Speaker 1: him out to his son's graduation, according to Dershwitz, violates
Speaker 1: a couple of New York laws. The worst mafia hit
Speaker 1: man that gets excused for a graduation or a funeral.
Speaker 1: What they're doing to Trump is never happened before to anybody.
Speaker 1: The whole idea of it. I checked their ten million
Speaker 1: non disclosure agreements signed every year. Right now as we're speaking,
Speaker 1: companies are signing non disclosures. Remember, in the debate, Bloomberg
Speaker 1: admitted he signed non disclosures dozens of women. That's in
Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's district. I don't see him getting prosecuted, so
Speaker 1: I don't think he can get a fair trial.
Speaker 2: Is there any sense, I mean, obviously from your audience
Speaker 2: in New York, I'm sure people are outraged about it,
Speaker 2: but you know, in New York, it's just it's making
Speaker 2: such a farce of the Manhattan DA and the whole
Speaker 2: I feel like, how can anyone take this guy seriously?
Speaker 2: You know, he lets out the real criminals and then
Speaker 2: he uses the powers of his office to harass a
Speaker 2: presidential candidate. And I think you and I agree, if
Speaker 2: the election were held tomorrow, Trump would win. I think
Speaker 2: he's probably going to win despite all this stuff in
Speaker 2: the fall, you know, despite all the nonsense they're pulling.
Speaker 2: But is there any sense like this is just too gross?
Speaker 2: You know that it goes too far. Is that growing
Speaker 2: in New York? Or is it only this people that
Speaker 2: have known this all along was crazy stuff?
Speaker 1: No, it's definitely growing in New York. It's a typical
Speaker 1: democratic stuff, always overplaying their hand. Watched the video of
Speaker 1: Trump visiting Harlem after the trial yesterday. Study that video.
Speaker 1: When he gets out of the car, this is Harlem,
Speaker 1: this should be a democratic neighborhood. They are cheering, applauding,
Speaker 1: chanting for him. Watch when he comes out of the bodega.
Speaker 1: They're plotting, cheering. He was a conquering hero there. And
Speaker 1: remember when you think most of the crowd would be democratic.
Speaker 1: They're mad at the Demo. You're really mad because these crazy,
Speaker 1: woke left Democrats have been running their neighborhood and ruining it.
Speaker 1: They've subjected him the worst crime way. People are mad.
Speaker 1: Remember Reagan won New York twice for almost the same reasons,
Speaker 1: the crime, the inflation, the costs. I think Trump has
Speaker 1: a real good shot at winning New York this time.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's a bold statement, to be sure.
Speaker 2: What would do you have any any particular thoughts on
Speaker 2: some of the jury selection as it's happens. I think
Speaker 2: they've seen it as you and I are talking about
Speaker 2: a half dozen and I'm six or seven of them.
Speaker 2: Do you see anyone in there? I know they've put
Speaker 2: out these sort of general descriptions of them. You say,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the guy or gal who's just going to
Speaker 2: stand to thwart the madness and say stop, we're not
Speaker 2: doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is not going to go well with
Speaker 1: this jury selection. Yeah, you know, if we're somewhere else,
Speaker 1: like if Trump could get a blue collar guy on
Speaker 1: the jury, he's gonna be okay. But there's no blue
Speaker 1: collar workers for the most part living in Manhattan. They're
Speaker 1: taking Wednesday off every week in the truck. Usually it's
Speaker 1: Friday they takeoff. Now, why would they make it Wednesday.
Speaker 1: A lot of people believe the judge is trying to
Speaker 1: make it impossible for an Orthodox Jew to be on
Speaker 1: this jury because that community supports Trump. It's Wednesday thing before.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean all you and I know this,
Speaker 2: All you need is one NYPD guy, one FDNY guy,
Speaker 2: and you'd be in a whole different world here, because
Speaker 2: they're just not going to go along with the sham
Speaker 2: and no one's going to bully them into it either.
Speaker 2: But you know, you get a bunch of like teaching
Speaker 2: assistant software workers and cultural studies majors, And I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm worried. I am worried that Trump is going to
Speaker 2: be convicted. How concerned are you about that?
Speaker 1: It could be convicted? But nothing will stand up on appeal.
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing. A non disclosure, I know they call it
Speaker 1: hush money. It's not illegal. There's no crime there falsifying
Speaker 1: business records. It has to be to commit some kind
Speaker 1: of fraud. The business records never left his own file,
Speaker 1: so there can't be any fraud. This election interference. The
Speaker 1: Federal Election Commission said no. Any appeals court has to
Speaker 1: toss this out and he can't go to jail. Secret
Speaker 1: Services kind of made that clear. If he was, it
Speaker 1: would be some kind of house arrest. But it's not
Speaker 1: gonna that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: The whole thing to me then it obviously it's so
Speaker 2: frustrating Mark, because they're they're breaking all they talk about norms.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're breaking all not just norms but common
Speaker 2: sense and common decency rules we would all have or
Speaker 2: an election.
Speaker 3: We all know what's going on here. We all know
Speaker 3: they're holding this.
Speaker 2: They can get Trump, But I just want to is
Speaker 2: it because they think if they get a conviction on
Speaker 2: this absurd trial in New York, meaning just they get
Speaker 2: the conviction. Right, Oh, he's a convicted felon. Now that
Speaker 2: then he loses the election? Is that all this comes
Speaker 2: down to for Alvin Bragg and those who are pushing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to work. And I think the
Speaker 1: other reason it's an excuse to get out of the debates.
Speaker 1: Biden will say why I can't debate him he's indicted. Well,
Speaker 1: you're the one that indicted him, so that's some system
Speaker 1: indict the guy and say you can't debate him because
Speaker 1: he's indicted. But again, they're going too far. This doesn't
Speaker 1: pass the laugh test or the smell test. You might
Speaker 1: get away with it Manhattan, but you're not going to
Speaker 1: get away with it in America.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I really don't think so. And I think, well,
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Speaker 2: the legal stuff, like we just said, all the legal
Speaker 2: stuff Atlanta, New York, J six and d C, Florida,
Speaker 2: mar al Lago documents. We have to come up with
Speaker 2: these weird shorthands even talk about them. Is it all
Speaker 2: just blowing up in the Democrats faces? Do they realize it?
Speaker 2: And if so, what are they going to do about it?
Speaker 1: Is it's gonna look ridiculous. Most people haven't really really
Speaker 1: focused on it, But when you focus on it. Nobody
Speaker 1: ever has been in four criminal trials at the same time.
Speaker 1: John Gotti didn't have four trials at the same time.
Speaker 1: Nobody has even Again, Dershwitz says, it's totally against all
Speaker 1: laws in this country. You have to get people time
Speaker 1: to prepare for a trial. You can't with four trials
Speaker 1: at once. Every single person Letitia James, to prosecutor in
Speaker 1: New York, visited the White House. Alvin Bragg visited the
Speaker 1: White White House, Fannie Willis's guy, two eight hour meetings
Speaker 1: in the White House. In fact, the disc attorney here
Speaker 1: Bragg had turned down this case. He didn't think there
Speaker 1: was anything there. Biden administration sent one of their top
Speaker 1: guys to join the DA's office in a weird job
Speaker 1: that never existed before, an executive consultant. He's the one
Speaker 1: running the trial. It's clear you don't have to be
Speaker 1: Columbi to figure out this is actually being coordinated by
Speaker 1: the Biden administration. So all of that's going to come
Speaker 1: out to the public at some point and they'll realize
Speaker 1: this is just Soviet style Stalinist nonsense.
Speaker 2: And so then what do you think that you know,
Speaker 2: people keep asking me, because there's this sense, after what
Speaker 2: we saw in twenty twenty, the Democrats they've got to
Speaker 2: have another trick.
Speaker 3: Or perhaps many up their sleeve.
Speaker 2: You know, do you think they can try to ram
Speaker 2: through the J six case against Trump and DC so
Speaker 2: they get it started before the election, like because right
Speaker 2: now it just seems like Biden, if it's just a
Speaker 2: head to head competition between Biden Trump, they're already doing
Speaker 2: election and interference and Trump is already ahead in every
Speaker 2: swing state by every poll, right, so it must look
Speaker 2: like Biden can't win. They've run out of time really
Speaker 2: to replace him, unless they pull something crazy at the DNC,
Speaker 2: which I don't think they I don't think they're going
Speaker 2: to do. Do they just have to play this out then?
Speaker 2: I mean, is and just hope, Like, do you see
Speaker 2: something where they think they can turn the tide? And
Speaker 2: if so, what would that be?
Speaker 1: No? No, you know, they live in a bubble. They
Speaker 1: live in DC, they live in Manhattan. They just live
Speaker 1: in this bubble. January sixth they didn't realize to the
Speaker 1: middle of America. They barely remember what you have to
Speaker 1: explain to them. January sixth was a trespassing incident three
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean, it was a horrible trustpassing incident.
Speaker 1: But that's all it was. It's not an issue in
Speaker 1: the campaign by any stretch of the imagination. And the
Speaker 1: biggest fear none of this is going to work is
Speaker 1: that they got something up their sleeves some horrible September
Speaker 1: October surprise. Who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're hearing this from your audit, right. People
Speaker 2: keep asking me, they like they must have something. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: if they have it. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, they might have something they think is going
Speaker 2: to work, but I mean, remember they they thought they
Speaker 2: thought back in twenty sixteen Billy Bush tape, it was
Speaker 2: it was lights out for Trump and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, now, I don't you know the fifty one
Speaker 1: guys that signed the letter, those shadowy awful Clapper Brennan.
Speaker 1: The only thing is when they went to get him
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, all they had was a letter they wrote.
Speaker 1: So hopefully they haven't got anything. Hopefully. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's all they could do in twenty twenty, what could
Speaker 1: they do now? Trump is just going to get stronger
Speaker 1: and stronger. You know, all this trying and criminal cases,
Speaker 1: all of this has kind of reinforced that image with
Speaker 1: a lot of people. He's like a superhero. He's like
Speaker 1: bullets bouncing off his chest.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. It's incredible what he's been able to continue through.
Speaker 2: I know so many people who say, just the prospect
Speaker 2: and meaning people I know from law enforcement side, work
Speaker 2: in the criminal justice system as prosecutors. They say, just
Speaker 2: a felony indictment against most people, and you know, they
Speaker 2: got to like just be taking boatloads of xanax and
Speaker 2: oh my god, my life is ruined.
Speaker 3: And what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: And you know, Trump's like playing golf and he's like,
Speaker 2: they're not going to beat me. They're just not It
Speaker 2: is remarkable. And you know, he told me at mar
Speaker 2: Alago during the interview we did recently, He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: just built differently. And I said, you certainly are. I
Speaker 2: want to ask you this Mark. You know, Trump went
Speaker 2: up to the bodega, right, he went to pay visit
Speaker 2: to the guy who defended himself that brag Brag initially
Speaker 2: charged with murder. What do you think about the you know,
Speaker 2: the optics of that move as it pertains to everything
Speaker 2: going on in New York and and just how's the
Speaker 2: how's the mayor doing there with crime? I mean, how's
Speaker 2: the situation?
Speaker 1: It's bad? Uh. Trump is going to do more of
Speaker 1: this in the next few weeks. He's going to do
Speaker 1: one of these every couple of days. For the optics.
Speaker 1: He's going to go to the migrant hotel and do
Speaker 1: a press conference in front of there. You know, if
Speaker 1: you want a site of where a terrible thing happened
Speaker 1: and Bragg let the criminal go there's dozens and dozens
Speaker 1: of places. They may actually give him a change of
Speaker 1: venue just to put an end to that if it
Speaker 1: gets too effective. But he's also looking at rallies one
Speaker 1: in the Bronx, one of Madison Square Garden. He's going
Speaker 1: to really I mean, may not be able to travel
Speaker 1: around in campaign, but he's going to campaign hard here
Speaker 1: and again he could win New York. It's very possible.
Speaker 1: People are really upset in New York and the mayor's
Speaker 1: basically a good guy. He'd love to solve all the problems,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't got a clue as to what to
Speaker 1: do about it. He has no skills in this area.
Speaker 1: He's not an executive. He just can't get anything done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was My concern about him was even if
Speaker 2: I do think that he wishes he could get the
Speaker 2: crime situation under control, and this is what I hear
Speaker 2: from people, but he you know, he doesn't have he
Speaker 2: doesn't have the team in place at the executive level
Speaker 2: to be able to do what's necessary. And I think
Speaker 2: he lacks some of the understanding on the criminal justice
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Speaker 2: mark just before before we let you go. So can
Speaker 2: I quote you in saying that you think they'll at
Speaker 2: least be a surge for Trump in New York going
Speaker 2: into this election.
Speaker 3: Is that fair?
Speaker 2: I won't go as far as to say he's gonna
Speaker 2: win New York. That'd be crazy. But you think he's
Speaker 2: gonna He's gonna surprise people.
Speaker 1: I think he could win New York. Reagan did it
Speaker 1: truck twice. We had this a great Republican candidate, Leezeldon,
Speaker 1: who came pretty close within a couple hundred thousand votes.
Speaker 1: Are winning. If I told you a private citizen with
Speaker 1: no experience could get himself elected president of United States,
Speaker 1: you'd say that's insane. He's done the impossible before. He
Speaker 1: could win New York. Hey, look at Biden in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Nobody showed up. Twelve people showed up for the rally.
Speaker 1: If you appeared in scrant and you'd get thousands of people.
Speaker 1: He's the president, nobody showed up.
Speaker 2: I'm all right, since you're doublin nomina quote. Mark Simone says,
Speaker 2: it's it's in play. It's a long shot, but it's
Speaker 2: in play. Trump could win New York.
Speaker 1: He's got a shot.
Speaker 3: I keep trying to hedge for him. He won't let me.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, it's not a long shot. It's in play,
Speaker 2: all right. Mark Simone says, New York is in play
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Speaker 2: I don't say this to you know, people come on
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Speaker 2: every day, yeah, I listened to Mark Show.
Speaker 3: He does a great job.
Speaker 2: And the only problem with listening to Mark Show is
Speaker 2: it reminds me of home and makes me a little
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Speaker 2: thanks so much man, Thanks for all you do, Thanks.
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