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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. We are live officially live John

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Speaker 2: Middlecoff from NFL Scout. You've heard him on three and

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Speaker 2: Out podcast and so far. My my big takeaway coming

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Speaker 2: into this draft was JJ McCarthy was being overvalued. That

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Speaker 2: was my big takeaway. So the Giants Diana Russini reporting

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Speaker 2: that the New York Giants were in on Drake May

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Speaker 2: or nobody. So this so for people just tuning in,

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Speaker 2: everybody's watching this. Caleb Jaden, Drake May, no big surprise.

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison for Oh Falcons, go Holy Moley. That is interesting.

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Speaker 2: We've had our first big surprise.

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Speaker 1: This is live.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Pennix Junior going to Atlanta at eight. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. Well, what they're saying, is Kirk Cousins is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a He's gonna be a two year player,

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Speaker 2: That old line Drake London, Kyle Pitt's two backs. How

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Speaker 1: Wow? That that is that's shocking. I think just because

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Speaker 1: And then to go to Atlanta after they just spend

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Speaker 2: Hard from my hay Raheem Morris was an NFL coach,

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Speaker 2: McVay made it very clear, dude, we had Goff and

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Speaker 1: I never bought. Now, who knows, I guess if Arizona

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Speaker 2: Vikings have picked JJ McCarthy. I said it a month ago.

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Speaker 1: My thing with JJ McCarthy is he falls under Alex

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Speaker 1: exactly producing both some brother type talents and he I'm

428
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: sure he just annihilated those guys in practice every day

429
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: they take them.

430
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Jets take a tackle. I think this is the prudent,

431
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: smart thing to do. Olu Fashanu Penn State. Don't believe

432
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: he allowed a sack this year for Penn State. He's

433
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: not a dominant run blocker. He's not real physical. But

434
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: I like this pick by the Jets. I said this,

435
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers starts seventeen games, the Jets will be viable. Period.

436
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 2: Make the O line the priority. If Aaron Rodgers gets

437
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: a great receiver, it doesn't mean anything. If he's on

438
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: his ass, I don't care. So I like this pick

439
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: by the Jets. This is the responsible pick to me.

440
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: You bring in a guy who's an excellent pass blocker,

441
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 2: mediocre run blocker, you add some physicality. I like the pick.

442
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: It's a grown up pick to me.

443
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the easy route would have

444
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 1: been to take Bowers and they put all your chips

445
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of the table and just pray your

446
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: two tackles stay healthy. But I think we have enough

447
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: evidence with their offensive line that by no means can

448
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and these guys prepare for that situation? Did

449
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: you just get sixteen out of seventeen games from Morgan,

450
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Moses and Smith. I also think, though, if those guys

451
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: do stay healthy, here's the problem, Colin. If they do

452
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: stay healthy, you're getting really nothing out of your first

453
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: round pick in a year where they kind of are.

454
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't make the playoffs, everyone's getting fired.

455
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: And this Aaron Rodgers is one of the biggest debacles

456
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: of all time given, I mean the best thing he

457
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: did for him, if they don't make the playoffs has

458
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: given them a discount. Right, he took thirty million dollars

459
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: off his contract. But they trade a first round pick,

460
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: they trade a second round pick. Last year they sucked.

461
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm out like I'm out on them this year. I mean,

462
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: their whole team is full of guys that are a hamstring,

463
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: achilles and a pulled muscle away from missing a ton

464
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: of games. And then all their history, including the lynchpin

465
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: of the whole thing. He's a forty year old guy

466
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 1: coming off achilles. I don't care how much ayahuasca he's

467
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: sucking down and stretching he's doing I just you and

468
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: I talked about it. At the moment he got hurt,

469
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear if you just watched those couple

470
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: snaps he's not quite as fast. And this was before

471
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: the Achilles as he once was. And remember the year

472
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: with Green Bay. They got better the following year when

473
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: they got Jordan Love. So I get it, like, from

474
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: a football standpoint one percent, the right move twenty twenty four,

475
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: little risky, he's thinking the big picture. I'll give him

476
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: credit for that, but he might not be around to

477
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: This was also a player who a lot of people

478
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: thought was going to come out last year and be

479
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, went back to school and just

480
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 1: turns out there were a lot of other good tackles

481
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: in the draft. So it's I mean, this is a

482
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's fair to say a blue

483
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: chip level prospect for the last eighteen months in NFL circles.

484
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last two picks. You know, it's interesting. The

485
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: first seven picks will all play, I would think immediately.

486
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: Pennix may sit for a year, mccarthurii'll sit for a year,

487
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: oluf Shana will play some this year. How much he starts.

488
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I will say this first time

489
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: in NFL history, top ten was all offense, and as

490
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: of right now, the top eleven's all offense as Denver's

491
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: on the clock at twelve, Raiders at thirteen. So I

492
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: think this is something I've been nad nauseum on for years,

493
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: probably irritating people. The last ten coaches that have made

494
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl have all been offense. I think this

495
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: is what I mean. This is exactly what the draft

496
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: should be unless you have a great edge rusher and

497
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchison. You know, Dallas Turner's a really good ed rusher.

498
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: I think Jared Verse honestly was the most dominant I

499
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: saw when I saw him play. I thought, I thought

500
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: he really like jumped off the tell. I thought I

501
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: thought Dallas Turner was your classic, you know, Alabama athlete.

502
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: I thought Jared Verse was actually the best edge rusher

503
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: when I watched him. Now this may have been the

504
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: ACC competition against Florida State, but I watched him and

505
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, nobody can blot He's just way better

506
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: than competition. A lot of that just SEC has NFL tackles.

507
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: Maybe the ACC doesn't, but I mean Sean Payton. Now,

508
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: now my guess is, I know he likes I know

509
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: he likes bon Nicks. But here's the problem. If it's

510
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: a reach, fine, but the Raiders at thirteen need a quarterback.

511
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: They like Jayden and Pennix, and they're both off the board.

512
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: So twelve and third here, twelve and thirteen are fascinating

513
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: in division. Both need a quarterback. I think Denver's gonna

514
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess bon Nicks here. I just I think

515
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: in that division with Harbaugh, Herbert Reed, Mahomes, you gotta

516
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: get got, you gotta pick a swing here. To me,

517
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: that's what it feels like. And they're all line by

518
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: the way Peyton built that thing. In one year it

519
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: was top seven by PFF. So you don't have a

520
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: need there, Mims in Courtland Sutton, you can get a

521
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: receiver later. They need an edge rusher and a quarterback

522
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: for the future. I think Denver's actually, I think their

523
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: roster's okay. It's not great, but it's okay.

524
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: I think taking bon Nicks in the first round is

525
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: pretty nuts. But the way he wants to play, let's

526
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: face it, Drew Brees the last couple of years when

527
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 1: they were successful in the late teams like seventeen eighteen

528
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: was not bombing the ball down the field by any means.

529
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Get rid of the ball fast, get rid of the

530
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: ball accurately. And Sean Payton Sneaky's kind of got a

531
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: little old school Bill Parcel. He will run the ball

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: once he got Alvin Kamara. So could you just function immediately,

533
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: because let's look at their quarterback room right now. It's

534
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham and Zach Wilson and Danucci. I mean, if

535
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: that's your quarterback room going into the season, I don't

536
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: care if Sean Payton turns into Bill Walsh. I mean,

537
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: is that a six win team at best? You'd be

538
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: in major trouble. You'd be in major trouble. So I

539
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: call it. I don't know, Bo Nicks. I mean, same

540
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: thing with JJ McCarthy before this quarterback inflation of the

541
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, the mahomes and Josh Allen's hitting. I think

542
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: those type players historically have all gone and after pick

543
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: fifty forever and I and I get it. You could say,

544
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: homes we're all living in now used to be four

545
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: hundred grand and now they're one point five million. It

546
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: is what it is the difference is you got a

547
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: place to live. The quarterback. The pressure immediately you see

548
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: these guys just flame out so fast. And I had

549
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: to take the other day. Like, I understand, you get

550
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: offered ninety million dollars, I don't care if you're already rich.

551
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to turn down. But you have to wonder

552
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: if the way this thing is played out, and we

553
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: could all see it coming, you said from the beginning,

554
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think him and Russell are ever gonna work.

555
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: It's and he's never gonna be a bad enough coach

556
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: to be drafting in the top one or two, Like,

557
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: even if his team sucks, he'll still find a way

558
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: to draft somewhere between like nine to fourteen. It's a

559
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 1: tough It was a tough job the moment he took it,

560
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't think he the money overwhelmed him,

561
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: but I wonder if he regrets it.

562
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I could see Sean here just saying, screw it.

563
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm taking brock Powers, I got, I got, Yeah, Portland,

564
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: Sutton's my one, Mims will be my two. I like

565
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: Williams there running back. I'm just gonna take the best

566
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: player available, and I don't think there's any question Brock

567
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: Powers is the best player available. I don't think that

568
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: would be crazy. Wow, Denver, Okay, they reached, so Bonnicks.

569
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Brock Bauers is the best player.

570
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, holy, when somebody's getting a star and I

571
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: know the Rams want them, so there, the Rams have

572
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: to now be thinking about do we just move up

573
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: to the Raiders? So Bow Nicks to Denver? Well, okay,

574
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: well again, they need a quarterback. Listen, here's the thing.

575
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: I saw him play live twice. Here's what I liked

576
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: about him. He's more athletic than you think. Well, he's

577
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: a good athlete, really good athlete. Little Alex Smith like,

578
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Alex gets on the run and you're like, oh,

579
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: Alex can out run linebackers. Alex is fast, bo can move.

580
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: Bo's got sixty one starts. The Oregon offense to some

581
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: degree is Drew breeses. I'm gonna design a play with

582
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: two options, throw it to it. So remember Bow doesn't

583
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 2: throw a good deep ball. Breeze. Last five years, he

584
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: didn't throw a great deep ball. So my take is

585
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Sean talks himself into Listen, I won with Sean who

586
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: was the best quarterback in the league with no deep

587
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: ball the last four years. Let's be honest, Patrick Mahomes

588
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: no longer throws a deep ball. The deep ball's great

589
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: if you have Tyreek Hill and a handful of receivers.

590
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Not a lot of teams are throwing the deep ball consistently.

591
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: If you have AJ Brown, it's great. Most teams don't

592
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: have AJ Brown. There's a lot of good teams in

593
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: this league, John that don't have an over the top

594
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: star receiver throw the ball deep ever, and they're looking

595
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: to move Ayyuk. So my take on boon Nix's he's

596
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: a young breeze and you can say, well, that's ridiculous,

597
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: but Price the guy's went to the SEC. The PAC

598
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: twelve was the best it's been in twenty years. He

599
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: was very good.

600
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: He was he was awesome. I feel like I'm talking

601
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: out both sides of my mouth because we always talk

602
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: about the importance of the wiring and the character and

603
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff about bon Nicks. People love what he

604
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: kind of became in Oregon, the way they talk about him.

605
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I also think you got to be careful when you're

606
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: evaluating the player of falling in love with that, and

607
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: clearly Sean puts a premium on it. I mean he

608
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: spent fifteen years around one of the highest character guys

609
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: in Like League history and Drew Brees. And that's where

610
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: again you get back to the Kenny Picketts, those type players,

611
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: the mac Jones, where you fall in love with the

612
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: character and the physical attributes. Is this is also as

613
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: simple as they were desperate. I mean, like we just

614
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: talked about before they made the pit, what were they

615
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna do roll into the season with Danucci and Zach Wilson.

616
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean they didn't have a choice. They really did.

617
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: And the good thing is with Stidham, I mean, Zach

618
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Wilson's not even a lock to make the team. He's

619
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: got to beat up Danucci. Bo Nicks people are gonna

620
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: want him to start week one, but there's no guarantee.

621
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it right away if you

622
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: don't feel he's ready.

623
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: Right Mike, Michael Pennix went at eight people at the in

624
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: the second round, so people said, well, Boe Knicks is

625
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: a reach. Michael Pennix at eight. The shock of the draft,

626
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: A lot of it's stop bo Nick would go to Denver.

627
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: Nobody thought Pennix is going.

628
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Eight, especially to Atlanta. If you told me before the

629
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: draft Michael Pennix went eight, I thought the Raiders would

630
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: have traded up to eight to get them because they

631
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: were pretty desperate. That's what I did in my little

632
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: mock draft. I also think though a little different than

633
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: the last time, because actually very similar kle. You know,

634
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks went in the top twelve Mac Jones year,

635
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: they five quarterbacks went in the top fifteen. Quarterbacks went one, two, three,

636
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: And beside Trevor Lawrence, all those quarterbacks are on different teams,

637
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit different, right, that draft was coming into

638
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: a season when the season was all fucked up. Trade

639
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Speaker 1: died even have a season. The Big ten just played

640
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: conference opponents. Half the games didn't even happen. But and

641
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: these guys have played a lot more football than that crew.

642
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: But we do have a recent example. Well, five quarterbacks

643
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: went really high in the draft, and four of them

644
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: were traded before year four started. One of them didn't

645
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: even make it the third year in Trey Lance was

646
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: traded before the start of the season. The other two

647
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: the t the other three, I mean, the teams couldn't

648
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: trade fast enough. But he just couldn't get anything for it.

649
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: Not only traded Colin, three of them went for six

650
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: round picks. So it's not like, Eh, something happened but

651
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: for nothing. So it just shows you the chefter tweet

652
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: forty six percent of these quarterbacks, only forty six get

653
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: a second contract. I actually think that number is gonna

654
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: keep kind of staggering around there, or even going below it,

655
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: given the amount of guys coming in. Some of these

656
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: guys are not only not gonna work, it's gonna be

657
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: really really bad. Now you would say, Kevin O'Connell, JJ McCarthy,

658
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: you'd want an offensive coach, bo Nix, Sean Payton. Like

659
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: part of mac Jones was he had Belichick and Patricia right,

660
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: so those justin fields who might not be any good

661
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: had a weird situation. Trey Lance Kyle just turned on

662
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: him early because he wasn't good enough. And yeah, Zach

663
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Wilson also same thing. Character I would say was a

664
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: defining spot for well. I mean, Mac Jones turned out

665
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: to be pretty immature, couldn't handle it, and same thing,

666
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson was completely overwhelmed. These guys, yeah, are very

667
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: high character, at least when you talk to NFL people,

668
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: They feel very good about this group's wiring and off

669
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: the field stuff.

670
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Also, this group of quarterbacks has multiple years starting, huge advantage.

671
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: The other thing is the less talented guys JJ McCarthy

672
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: and bow Knicks go to offensive coaches. The more talented

673
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: guys Caleb, Jaden and Drake go to defensive coaches. So

674
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: generally a more talented guy will be able to overcome

675
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: more issues. JJ McCarthy and bow Knicks are not going

676
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: to a defensive old school coach and winning in this league.

677
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: But you start looking at McCarthy and bow Knicks with

678
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connor and Sean Payton and by the way, Minnesota stacked,

679
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: and I'll make this argument. I think Denver's actually got

680
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: good players. I like a running back, Bowls is a

681
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: great left tackle. I thought Sean did a great job

682
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: the upgrade the offensive line Courtland Sutton Mims. So I

683
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: think Denver needs I mean, they needed edge rusher and

684
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: a couple of weapons. But I don't think Denver is

685
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: without talent. I don't, and I think Russell may be

686
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: worse than we think.

687
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: I would say this too. The division. The Chargers have

688
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: a long way to go. Talent wise, but they upgraded.

689
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't have upgraded anymore with the coach

690
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: the Chiefs the Raiders.

691
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: The Raiders took brock Bowers. Okay, so best player on

692
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: the board.

693
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent in that division. That's the

694
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: one thing I would say. There's just there's high end coaching.

695
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent, and clearly Denver and Vegas

696
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: are looking up right. We all the Chiefs are the

697
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: cream of the crop. And it's going to be hard

698
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: not to like the Chargers immediately with Jim Harbaugh to

699
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: compete to win what nine ten games?

700
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 2: Immediately they had Darren Waller a couple of years ago.

701
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: He left, he may retire. So you have DeVante, Adams

702
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: and brock Bowers. You know, that's a quarterback room right

703
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: now with Gardner Minshew. Now, Minshew put up big numbers

704
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: with Shane Steikin. Take a deep breath. He's not gonna

705
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: put up those numbers. You know. Shane Stikeen is different.

706
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: He is as sharp as any young offensive coach. Antonio

707
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Peers is a rookie defensive coach. They're going to be

708
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: more of a I think they're going to be more

709
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: physical football team, a different culture entirely than Indianapolis. But

710
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams and Brock Bauers for Gardner Minshew, those are

711
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: real weapons. Those are elite people.

712
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I will say this about the Raiders. Quarterback major concern

713
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: question mark, and they don't have one. They have a

714
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of high end players at the right Vante's yeah,

715
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: Max Crosby elite, Colton Miller high end. I mean Bowers

716
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: to me is one of my favorite players in this

717
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: draft and one of the more talented tight ends and

718
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: a long time to come out, obviously. I mean, they

719
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: did lose the running back to Green Bay, but they

720
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: got talent. There's no doubt about that. It's just quarterback.

721
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do play with O'Connell and Gardner

722
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Minshew against Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.

723
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: So my guess is the Raiders will absolutely be in

724
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: play for Michael Pratt from two lane quarterback. They'll absolutely

725
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: be in play second pick. Yeah, I mean, to me,

726
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: he is the one guy after the first round when

727
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: I watch him, I think, you know he's not He's

728
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: your classic second round quarterback. Andy Dalton is the comp

729
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: There's nothing you look at arms size, mobility and go wow.

730
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: But you look at him and think, well, he's a

731
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: better version of Rock Purty. He's a bigger hands, bigger kid,

732
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: a little bit better athlete than a brock Party. Now

733
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: they don't have those weapons, but you don't have to

734
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: have I mean, let's be honest, cognitive ability. Tons of

735
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: college starts that can win you games in the NFL.

736
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: This is a kid with a four years didn't transfer,

737
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: got some offers I imagine transfer portals, stayed in Tulane

738
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: and did not have great players around him, so therefore

739
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: had to elevate other players in kind of a mediocre program,

740
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: which was, you know, a mess when he got there.

741
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: So I saw him play against usc talented kid. So

742
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: I think the Raiders go for a quarterback in round two,

743
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: and I don't hate that.

744
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: I mean, the last time they got a nine starter

745
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: in the second round named Derek Carr, I mean they

746
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: would die for Derek. So you can find I mean

747
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the second round historically has kind of

748
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: been a sweet spot. Andy Dalton, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo.

749
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: You can get guys that don't have the hype a

750
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: lot usually smaller school guys, A lot of production, kind

751
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: of a sweet spot to get a guy that flies

752
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: a little under the radar that we don't talk about

753
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: as much leading up to the draft. But in NFL circles,

754
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, Colin, how many teams now with

755
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Broncos off the board, Minnesota off the board, teams that

756
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: are desperate to get a quarterback. Think how many teams

757
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL have like established starting quarterback. Maybe a

758
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Seattle's a team to keep an eye on in the

759
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: second round that could trade it. But there aren't that

760
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: many teams at this New England desperate. They got one,

761
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: Washington got one. There are a lot less teams right

762
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: now to worry about in that second third round. If

763
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: you really like a guy, it might even behoove you

764
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: to kind of trade up and get aggressive just to

765
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: make sure you get it, because you never know. But

766
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: who are you really competing against at this point in time?

767
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: Five six got six quarterbacks taken in the top twelve picks.

768
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: I mean, how the world has changed. So the Saints

769
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: are on the clock, SATs Saints need to tackle. So

770
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: my guess is they get the Oregon State kid.

771
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: Good player?

772
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, good player? So I know the I think the

773
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: Saints will go offensive tackle. That kind of seems fairly predictable.

774
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: You know what, the Bonicks Denver thing. I love that

775
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: so much.

776
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: I think one of the things to keep an eye

777
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: on right now is would the Colts Colts are at

778
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: fifteen right and the Jags I think are at seventeen.

779
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: Would either one of those teams with some of these

780
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, I guess there are still some good wide

781
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: receivers on the board. Would they like one of those

782
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: wide receivers or would they be willing to talk with

783
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers about trading for Brandon Aiyuk because

784
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: these wide receivers colin these contracts. I mean, all these

785
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: guys are getting thirty to thirty two million dollars a year,

786
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers, the way they operate their offense,

787
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: you can't pay a guy thirty million dollars a year

788
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: to get seventy five catches. You know, Saint Brown got

789
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: twenty eight million dollars a year. He catches one hundred

790
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: and twenty balls a year, So it's part of it.

791
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: There has to be some return on investment. Now. The

792
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: problem is if I'm Bulky or I'm Chris Ballard, I

793
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: would rather have the wide receiver at pick fifteen because

794
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: he cost me three or four million dollars a year

795
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: for four years, you know, so that goes into the

796
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: equation too. But there's been a lot of smoke because

797
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: I cannot envision the forty nine ers paying Brandon Ayuke

798
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: that contract. He's just the way they operate their offense.

799
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't make.

800
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: Sense, no, and it doesn't. Then they also, first of all,

801
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: he's been public with his his anger. The organizations don't

802
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: wide receiver. There's a term. It's not diva linebacker, it's

803
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: diva receiver. So once they get verbal, once there's volume,

804
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: with a discruntled receiver, it's like a big man in

805
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: the NBA. Once they're early, they're hurt often. You know,

806
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: Embiid gets hurt early. It's the same thing with disgruntled receivers.

807
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: If they're verbal early, they're verbal often. Stefan Diggs, eventually

808
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: they moved him. I like Brandon Ayuk. I think he's

809
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: the fourth or the fifth best receiver in the league.

810
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: But I would move him because let's be honest, with McCaffrey,

811
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: Kittle and Debo and pretty moves well enough. You can

812
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: move the pocket. They that those are three really really,

813
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, McCaffrey and Debo are such Swiss army knives.

814
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: And to your point, Purdy's not an over the top thrower.

815
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: I could see them just saying to themselves, we want

816
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: a really high end possession guy. If you put Cooper

817
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Cup with the Niners, he's not going there. But it's like,

818
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: you don't need a deep threat Hurt. He's not a

819
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: big armed guy like Denver with bow nicks. You know

820
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: you don't need he's he doesn't throw a great deep ball. Now,

821
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: by the way, one of the reasons you know Atlanta

822
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: looks and gets Panics good deep ball. Well, they their

823
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: takeaway is they want to be that kind of football team.

824
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: By the way, in a dome, not bad weather. Yeah,

825
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I so you know so far, hold on,

826
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: let me look at it. We have not had a

827
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: defensive player taken yet. We just did.

828
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Hold on, they had to take one of the d linemen.

829
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: I would imagine thirteen straight picks on one side of

830
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: the ball any round, any year. First time in NFL

831
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: history that's happened. I'm going to guess the Oregon State

832
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: tackle goes to the Saints. That's my guess.

833
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: I also think it speaks to every single year there

834
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: is Miles Garrett, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack Clowney,

835
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: and there just wasn't that guy this year. Right to me,

836
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: the best defensive lineman was the Texas kid Murphy. But

837
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: he's six to one and he's a good player, and

838
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: those guys historically go around twelve to fifteen. That's Aaron

839
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Donald I think went thirteenth. They don't go fifth in

840
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: all the pass rushers. I think the UCLA guy, if

841
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: his medical was clear, he goes in the top ten.

842
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: But when you're medically forced to retire with a with

843
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: a neck injury, I'm sorry. It's Scars teams.

844
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: Well, they predicted it right to Lasifawonga Oregon State tackle

845
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: goes to the Saints, that was pretty predictable. Need he's

846
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: a right tackle. Jeff Schwartz said he looked at all

847
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: his tape this year. He did not lose a single

848
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: snap running the ball. He won every single snap running

849
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: the ball. He is the best run blocking tackle. Some

850
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: are saying, you know in a in years, Uh, just

851
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: a tough, tough kid. So they go offensive tackle. That's

852
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: need Derek Carr is not hyper mobile.

853
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people feel about him.

854
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: He literally could play all five positions. That I mean,

855
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: that's that improves your value. Like he could play left,

856
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: he played right, tackle, he play the guards. Makes you

857
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: a pretty valuable player. He also comes from Jonathan Smith.

858
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: I know some people watching might not be locked in

859
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: an Oregon State guy's a pretty runs a pretty uh

860
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of an old school Gym Harbaugh operation.

861
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Runs the ball down your throat. So I would imagine

862
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: if you tell me in five years this guys one

863
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: of the better players in the first round. I think

864
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: it's very believable.

865
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: John, this is crazy. So we're on pick fifteen, no

866
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: defensive players being taken. I feel like I'm being validated.

867
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: I didn't love JJ McCarthy. He gets drafted after Pennix

868
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: bow nicks to Denver. I thought would happen. I'm an

869
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: offensive guy over a defensive guy. I feel like this

870
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: is my validation. My coronation is a sportscast that's been

871
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: so anti defensive coach for years. Good lord, so we

872
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: got we got Colts on that. So now Colts.

873
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: They could take one of these defensive linemen I mean

874
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: they are just a lot of I.

875
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, when's the last.

876
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Now they have Deforce Buckner the draft, I.

877
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: Think they're gonna go defense.

878
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: They could go with the Alabama guy. I think if

879
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: the UCLA's medical was better, he'd be an easy pick.

880
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: Uh Jigared Verse. The one thing I heard with Verse

881
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: and this makes sense like the outdoor teams, you know,

882
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: like the AFC North, He's a power guy. Makes a

883
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: lot of sense for like Cincinnati Baltimore in the dome.

884
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: Think about some of these dome teams, the great pass

885
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: rushers Jonathan abram A, Dwight Freeny. It's more of a

886
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: speed game, the Rams forever when they were in a

887
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: dome in Saint Louis. So I wonder if they take

888
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: the Alabama pass rusher Dallas Turner.

889
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: I also think when you have Shane Steichen, there is

890
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: an understanding that Shane's gonna get the most. I mean,

891
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew had a heck of a season. He's not

892
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: going to put up those numbers with the defensive.

893
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: They were dropping pass away from winning the division, being

894
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

895
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: It's crazy. So and that's nothing against Antonio Peers, but

896
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: Shane stein I mean, go back to Justin Herbert's rookie

897
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: year when he had Shane Steinkin. Go look, the Jalen

898
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: hurts his MVP year, MVP level year with Shane steinkn

899
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts, the minity leaves. It's not the same player.

900
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: So I think Indy looks at it and thinks, listen,

901
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: we had a coach here. He elevates all of our

902
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: offensive players. So let's go our first round pick. This

903
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: is very green Bay. By the way, they've always had

904
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: offensive coaches first round. They go defense. Historically, Green Bay

905
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: loves their defense because their feeling is we've had a

906
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: home grun Mike McCarthy, Matt Lafleur. Our coaches will elevate

907
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: our offensive they don't draw. The Packers never draft lineman

908
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: in the offensive lineman first round. They haven't had a

909
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: bad offensive line in twenty five years.

910
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, you could also justify it by going, well, we

911
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: got to play CJ. Stride and Trevor Lawrence two years away,

912
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence probably won't be a shitty at calls

913
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: last year, so we got to beat those guys four times,

914
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: and now Tennessee gets an offensive You know, coach in

915
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Brian Callahan. They've added some offensive weapons Lews. I mean,

916
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: he's a great wild card. He's got a lot of talent.

917
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: If they just could get him on the straight and

918
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: narrow all of a sudden, you're playing some quarterbacks. You

919
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: could also say we got this quarterback. Minshew was much

920
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: more ready to play. He's pretty raw. The more help

921
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: we could get them, they got Pittman. You could easily

922
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: take one of these other wide receivers here. The other

923
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: guy from LSU, who Thomas is Yeah.

924
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a prediction here that we go on

925
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: a little bit of a defensive run. Here. I'm gonna

926
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: say Indy and Seattle go defense. Indy. I think your

927
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: point is great. You've got Trevor Lawrence in that division,

928
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: you got c. J. Stroud in that division. You need

929
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: a pass rusher. I think that's a great point. I

930
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: think Seattle, I mean, come on, they they got wide

931
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: receiver they at all now they could probably use a

932
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: tight end. There's nobody on the board here at this spot,

933
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: so Seattle tight end is in need. They got a

934
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: great corner last year, so Seattle to me is a

935
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: net rusher. I think we're gonna have a chance here

936
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: to go on a two or three or four straight

937
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: defensive players picked. So and then after this you have Jacksonville.

938
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Jacksonville may go tackle at seventeen.

939
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Right now, Colin, What's that is all the playoff teams,

940
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: because what wins in the playoffs the trenches. The playoff

941
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: teams in the twenties are licking their lips in. Some

942
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: of these defensive linemen fall down there, you know, Firon

943
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Thomas or somehow Dallas Turner falls to the early twenties.

944
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: Even Lattu Latsu whose tape I mean, he's the most

945
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: productive pass rusher in the in the country.

946
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: Now he's got some injury stuff.

947
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: The neck injury is concerning.

948
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: But toop Robinson may go yack. So I've subscribed to.

949
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: The corner hasn't been picked either, which is pretty rare.

950
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Usually a top corner gets picked in the top fifteen.

951
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: That's Nate Wiggins of Clemson, who is viewed as sort

952
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 2: of a he got better every year at clem.

953
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: He's one hundred and seventy five pounds.

954
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not Patrick sartannerd Sauce, he's not. He's a

955
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: good starting maybe makes a Pro Bowl. But I do

956
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: think generally speaking, John, you know this is a former

957
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: NFL scout. Generally, in a bad draft, you got about

958
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: fifteen first round players. This one, I've told you got

959
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: about nineteen. The feeling is you got about nineteen first

960
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: round picks here. So this is a really really good draft. Again,

961
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: it's very good at the top, gets a little wonky

962
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: mid to late fifth, I've been told by multiple executives,

963
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: but it's really good here. So if Dallas Turner goes

964
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen, wow, that is a good, good, productive

965
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: player middle first round. A lot of drafts, John, last

966
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: year's draft, Dallas Turner is a top seven eight pick.

967
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: Probably for sure. Well, the quarterbacks are pushing them all down, right.

968
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: If you if six guys go in the top twelve,

969
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean there's only six position players off the board.

970
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: So once think about the Raiders. They picked at thirteenth

971
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: and they probably got a top non quarterback, top five

972
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: player in the draft. So even the Saints to get

973
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: the Oregon State offensive lineman, there was talk about that

974
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: guy going in the top ten to the Titans. So

975
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: you get a guy that easily on a given year

976
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: non quarterback could be in the mix to go in

977
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: the top ten. It's just what happens when these quarterbacks go,

978
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: they put you down. The other thing is those three

979
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: wide receivers. So it's the three, it's the six quarterbacks

980
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: and the three wide receivers. That's nine freaking players shoving

981
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: all shoving, all these players down, so kind of crazy.

982
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Let's see what the Colts do.

983
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: Oh u cla edge rusher. Here we go.

984
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: He's the best lot.

985
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Now, dominant Pac twelve edg rusher, fiery kid. Some injury concerns,

986
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: but most I mean all the stuff I read Lance Zerline,

987
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: most people said he was the best pure pass rusher in.

988
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: The draft, not even close. Not even you talk to scouts.

989
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't even debatable. Dallas Turner has all I mean,

990
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: an all time athlete. A lot of people thought, like God,

991
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: there should have been a little more verse, all power,

992
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: not speed. Also, I just know the way these conversations happen.

993
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: Even though he today is different than he won. He

994
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: started Albany Colin I didn't even know Albany had a

995
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: football team, and then transferred to Florida State, change positions,

996
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: puts on weight. He's become a really good player, but

997
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, if you play in a dome,

998
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: you don't want that Howard rusher. You want the speed rusher.

999
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot to a great edge rusher. He's big.

1000
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: It is concerning, But never forget he went to Washington

1001
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: out of high school when they were in their heyday

1002
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: with Peterson, I mean, recruiting high end NFL guys. Then

1003
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: the neck injury happens, and listen, doctors aren't always right,

1004
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to athletes. To hold he can

1005
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: medically retired'll never play football again. Then he goes to

1006
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: the UCLA for two years. He's one of the best

1007
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: players in the country. This is the hard thing about

1008
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: like Pennix. So when a doctor looks at you and goes,

1009
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel great, It's like, well, I've watched him

1010
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: for two years. He never missed a snap. What are

1011
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: you supposed to say?

1012
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: I've been saying this on the show. I think we

1013
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: both said this. If you hear a guy I'll return

1014
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: in eight weeks. John on average he's back in five.

1015
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: I mean whenever I hear out eight weeks. No he's not.

1016
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: He's back in five. Every five to ten years in

1017
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: this country, we make medical advances. The quality of care

1018
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: today compared to when I was thirty five instead of

1019
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: now sixty, The quality of healthcare I've gone through. I

1020
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: go to the dentist now, John, My cleaning is twelve minutes.

1021
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: They have lasers. Remember when you used to get amazing

1022
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: clean two hours and it hurt? I go, I can't.

1023
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: My staff makes fun of me. I go four times

1024
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: a year. They're like, do you have a crush on

1025
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: the dental hygienist. I'm like, it's twelve minutes. I get

1026
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: free toothpaste. It's all lasers.

1027
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: So it's like that.

1028
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: The quality of stuff, the quality of healthcare is I

1029
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: just I'm texting Ballad, He's so good.

1030
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: The other thing is the training of the players. I

1031
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: would say over the last decade and where we are

1032
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: today is so much better in college at these Power

1033
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: five programs than it was thirty years ago. When I

1034
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: was at Fresno State in two thousand and nine and

1035
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: twenty ten, we would two days a week after practice

1036
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: go to this local it's called rallies. You ever heard

1037
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: of rallies? Of course, the burger joint and get like

1038
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: one hundred double cheeseburgers and they were not good for you,

1039
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: and that's what you'd hand out to the players. No

1040
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: team is doing stuff like this was twelve fourteen years ago.

1041
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: So the level of care they have for themselves, let

1042
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: alone type the training is just in a different level.

1043
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: The other thing is I had Mayok on the show

1044
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks back, and his whole thing was

1045
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: when doctors would push against a player, he'd go, well, yeah,

1046
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: this guy was injured at nineteen. He's twenty two now

1047
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: and has missed one game in three years, and you're

1048
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: telling me he's not a durable player. Like I've just

1049
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: watched him play in the SEC or the Big ten

1050
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: or the like you said. The PAC twelve this year

1051
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: was a very physical, good conference. So if this guy's

1052
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: hanging against all these NFL offensive linemen.

1053
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: You know he's just going to my second soda, John.

1054
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't blame you. That's a good pick. He is healthy.

1055
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: That's a big time pick.

1056
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: I want to go to the sauce right now so badly,

1057
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: but I can't. I gotta stay hydrated. Staff here.

1058
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: I feel it.

1059
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 2: My family's killing me. I tell my family, dad's working

1060
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: to night. I got thirteen messages people It's draft night.

1061
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Why don't you do that in August third?

1062
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: I got nothing to do them. Adam Silver couldn't find

1063
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: a way to get the Laker game in the Knicks

1064
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: game on Friday over tonight. What are you doing? One

1065
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: two big A series? This is insane. I haven't watched

1066
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: a dribble tonight and those series have been fantastic.

1067
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my guess is Seattle goes edge rusher too.

1068
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna.

1069
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Guess, defensive coach. This is where this is where they've

1070
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of got stuck Colin in this Geno Smith business,

1071
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: because the roster is not bad. They've been competitive, but

1072
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: they can only do so much. Like what's the what's

1073
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: their upside as a team? Nine ten wins with downside?

1074
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: It could be five to six.

1075
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: Quick John, Arizona's got eleven picks. They already got the

1076
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: best receiver. They have another first coming up. They have

1077
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: three in the third in a second. Arizona is going

1078
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: to be a different team by Sunday afternoon. They're going

1079
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: to probably have seven new starters. And I like this coach.

1080
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: They've got a tight end. I like a running back

1081
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: and now a star receiver. Had week receiving group. I've

1082
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: always like Kyler Murray more than everybody else.

1083
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: You know.

1084
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: The defensive side last year, despite a lack of talent,

1085
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: played really hard. Arizona's going to come out of this

1086
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: weekend and Seattle maybe the fourth best team in that division.

1087
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I had the wide receiver coach Buddy, who has Texan

1088
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: with had an interesting point. He said, the one thing

1089
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: that's difficult for these guys they get drafted really high,

1090
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: is they go to such terrible situations where they're immediately

1091
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: walking the room and everything has to depend on them,

1092
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: Like Marvin Harrison has to catch eighty ninety balls for

1093
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: the offense, and that's a lot of pressure for young

1094
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: players where a lot of guys get to go to

1095
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: a position and maybe there's another good wide receiver in

1096
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: the room and it takes a little off them, Like

1097
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: Marvin's immediately going to be treated by defensive coordinators like

1098
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: all these star wide receivers in the NFL. It's going

1099
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: to be And you're not getting Purdue on the schedule.

1100
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: Rut Curse isn't on their schedule. It's the Niners, it's

1101
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: the Rams, it's you. Just it's tough. So that's where

1102
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: Rome really benefits. He kind of gets to ease it.

1103
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: He's got Keenan Allen, Dj Moore. If you told me

1104
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: he had a more productive year just because he's gonna

1105
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: have less, I would say eyeballs on him. On a

1106
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: weekly game plan standpoint right where if I'm playing the

1107
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals next week, Trey McBride's a good player that

1108
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: tight end for Colorado State.

1109
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 2: He's really good.

1110
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: But Marvin Harrison's getting double team until you prove you

1111
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: got anything else in your group. Where Roma dudes, they

1112
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's playing the slot with those

1113
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: where he's playing outside, and you got Keenan Allen on

1114
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: the slot and DJ Moore out, he might just sneak

1115
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: into sixty five balls and seven touchdowns as a rookie.

1116
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: Well, the good news is they've got they've got another first.

1117
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: My guess is they go defense with a defensive coach.

1118
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: Then they have a second. Again, they've got the quarterback,

1119
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: so Houston turned it around and they didn't have their

1120
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: quarterback with all those picks, and Kyler can play. Kyler

1121
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: can play, So my take is they're going to get

1122
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: another receiver. John in the third where they have three

1123
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: picks because they need another edge rusher. I think they

1124
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: need another corner. I wouldn't be surprised if AARs It

1125
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: didn't go defense here because I actually think I actually

1126
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: think they're in a pretty good spot. Their offensive lines

1127
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: pretty mediocre, but I think they need an ed rusher,

1128
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: a corner. Listen, you're you're I'm sitting here looking at

1129
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: I got Seattle, Jacksonville, Cincinnati, and the Rams. I can

1130
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: make an argument Jacksonville probably needs an offensive lineman. Probably.

1131
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: I could see Pittsburgh lost Deontay Johnson going and getting

1132
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, the wide receiver from LSU, who doesn't have

1133
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 2: a big route tree, but his classic Steeler big moves

1134
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: over the top playmakers.

1135
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: So Jacksonville could take They could take a wide receiver

1136
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: as well, though, because they lose Ridley to the Titans.

1137
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: Good good call.

1138
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: That's why there's been a lot of smoke with them

1139
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: with Brandon Ayuk. You know Cincinnati. One thing they do

1140
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: is they you know T Higgins. A couple of years ago,

1141
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: they had Bates who's now on Atlanta. They franchised and

1142
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: he walked. They're not signing to Higgins as a long

1143
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: term deal because it's all gonna go toward Jamar Chase.

1144
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock me if they went wide receiver to kind

1145
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: of stalk the Cupboard when he leaves. They're just ready

1146
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: to hit the ground running, so and they just it's

1147
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a little wide receiver. Would the Rams go

1148
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver? With cup getting a little older, would.

1149
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: They go I don't think so. I think they want

1150
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: an edge. I think they're I think the Rams now

1151
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: are sitting there thinking, are we gonna get Dallas Turner

1152
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: at nineteen.

1153
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I could see Seattle with Mike McDonald defense taking guess.

1154
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: Ozzie knew some loved Alabama guys. He's a Baltimore guy.

1155
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: I could see him liking the Alabama crew because sometimes

1156
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: you got to look at like where these guys come from.

1157
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: What they think. Now John Schneider for the first time,

1158
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is his baby now right

1159
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: with Pete long gone?

1160
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: So now no what The last two drafts have been

1161
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: John's drafts, and I think they've done a really, really

1162
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: good job. So here we go Seattle at sixteen. We're

1163
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: both guessing. We're kind of guessing edge rushers. That is

1164
00:57:53,600 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: kind of my guess. Let's see, all right.

1165
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I just have to wonder if they regret.

1166
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: I guess Byron Murphy, Seahawks go get a defensive tackle

1167
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: with their rookie defensive coach. You know, the Ravens are

1168
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: physical on the lines. The coach comes from from Baltimore.

1169
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: So Byron Murphy defensive tackle. What do you make of it?

1170
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen a lot of guys in this mold

1171
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of success. He's six to one, he

1172
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: can rush the passer. I talk to a guy that

1173
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: goes through the University of Texas, a scout, you know,

1174
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the one big guy that got the duy. A lot

1175
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: of character concerns. This guy's the opposite. This guy's character.

1176
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: I've heard of his high level. They love him in

1177
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: that program. A lot of people think this guy's badass.

1178
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of people that thought this

1179
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: guy should be in the mix as a top ten

1180
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: pick if Atlanta had not gone with a quarterback and

1181
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: had gone defensive line like I thought, like most people

1182
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: thought they would do. I thought they were going to

1183
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: take this guy. So getting him at sixteen a lot too.

1184
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: And Byron Murphy, just based on the tape, that's pretty

1185
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: incredible value at fifteen and sixteen. I mean that's so

1186
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: these are high end impact players.

1187
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not gonna camp him to Aaron Donald, but

1188
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: Donald in that moles, Yeah, a little small six foot

1189
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: and a half ball of explosion. He is a The

1190
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: thing on Murphy is what they say is he's one

1191
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: of these defensive linemen. Again, God doesn't make a lot

1192
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: of these, like really good feet. You ever watch the

1193
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald like tire drills, You're like, the hell is that?

1194
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: That doesn't even make sense? What is he a receiver?

1195
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: So this guy is viewed as small, explosive, great pad leverage,

1196
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: kind of blow stuff up, high character.

1197
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Ultimately too, when you get a new coach, you want

1198
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: to play to the guy's strengths.

1199
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1200
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: When you think the Baltimore Ravens defense, you think a

1201
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: dominant front and one thing Seattle has really lacked, Which

1202
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: is crazy since kind of that Richard Sherman run when

1203
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: they're defensive line. I saw that team play in person

1204
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: three or four times from Bennett to April. I mean,

1205
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: they had guys it was like, how are you blocking

1206
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: these guys? We talked so much about Richard and Earl

1207
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: Thomas and Cam Chancellor. Their defensive obviously their linebacker good too,

1208
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: but their defensive line was awesome. The Ravens, when's the

1209
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: last time they didn't have a good defensive line, But

1210
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: when they didn't have a franchise in like the mid nineties.

1211
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they've had a dominant defensive line the whole time.

1212
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: The volume