WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Nazi Bell 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.000 Thinking Sideways. I don't you've never known. The story is 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.680 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hi, there, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.400 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways, the hard hitting 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:31.000 Internet podcast. We're laughing but true. The most accurate thing 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.920 he said yet, Damn we're hard hitting. Okay, So I 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.200 am Joe and I'm joined as always by and Steve 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.800 Alright today, so today we're going to solve it on 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.559 the mystery. And this is one of you guys may 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.920 or may not have heard about. It's called the Nazi Bell. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.720 That's right, the Nazi Bell. I had never heard of this, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.440 and I consider myself to be a strong mystery buff 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:01.240 on solved mysteries. I know, I would say that the 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.880 things that we do, I've heard of before we do them. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.080 I hadn't heard about this until about a month ago 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.959 when I came across an article somehow I think it 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.080 was advertised on something and what is that? And I 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.759 hadn't heard about it until you sent me a link 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:20.000 to that article. Yeah, yeah, this is right up your alley. Yeah. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.360 So anyway, you know, I jumped on a plane and 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.800 went to Germany, dug through the Nazi archives and well, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:31.039 here's what I found. Well, not really. Yeah, as soon 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.520 as we get a budget, then we're gonna be doing 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.440 stuff like that. Uh, we're gonna actually be covering a 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.080 lot of unsolved mysteries in places like Hawaii, um, you know, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.759 a lot of Paris. Very nice. Yeah. So anyway back 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.240 to the Nazi Bell. The Nazi Bell was pretty much 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.800 unknown as far as the world is concerned until the 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.400 year two thousand. Polish writer named Igor Vitkowski published a 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.520 book called The Truth about the Wounderwaffa. Of course, of 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.640 course that was not It was a Owlish books, so 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.360 obviously it wasn't in English, but yeah, the Truth about 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.400 the Wonder Weapon. He describes this this thing as being 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.400 about about nine ft wide, about twelve to fifteen feet high, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:15.120 and shaped like a bell. Other descriptions you guys can 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.160 see here. Oh yeah, by the way, he had a 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.200 Nazi swastick on the side the bell did, of course. Yeah, yeah, naturally. Uh. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.440 Alternative descriptions have described it as a saucer shaped object. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.160 But for the most part, saucer looks just like the 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.200 NASA saucer we were talking about earlier, the thing that 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.720 they're sending to marks. I like that yeah, I like 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.160 a little chimney in the top, tough in the wheel, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.720 like the car sticking out from you. Yeah, well I 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.840 think that actually has a car park behind. But yeah, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.240 that thing looks a little crude. I'm not sure this 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.880 was actually the wounder of Offa or not. But anyway, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.880 there's also you can find pictures of the bell. Of course, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.359 those are pictures that have either been you know, paintings 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.680 by artists or recreation or recreations that people have taken 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.040 pictures of. So nobody has a picture of the actual 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.800 Nazi bell. So are we saying we don't actually know 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.960 that it existed, even that's that's the possibility. That's no. No, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.200 you can't say that it definitely existed, but we can't 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.600 say it definitely didn't either. Well I guess not. Okay, 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.560 Well we'll solve that mystery before the show is over. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.160 So I know why yougo. Vitkowski published his wounderboff A book, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.320 and the way he found out about is he claims 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.320 to have had a contact in Polish intelligence and this 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.040 Polish intelligence officer allowed him to look at a file 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.720 which had a transcript of an interview by Polish agents 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.600 of a Nazi s S officer whose name was I'm 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.920 just gonna pronounce it in regular English Jacob Sparenberg. And 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 it might be Yakuber, who knows, but I'm just gonna 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:48.200 say Jacob Sparenberg. Uh. Supposedly in this transcript he described 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.680 the bell and apparently some of its wondrous capabilities. And Vikkowski, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.160 the author never said who in Polish intelligence actually shared 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.520 this with him. There's no documentation, Yeah, I know source 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.800 and the the you know, the supposed transcripted the interrogation. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.880 Nobody's ever seen it. And what did they call it? 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.520 The bell? The bell? Yeah, and German it's called it's 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.520 called gluca, which is German for the bell. Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:21.559 it's just called the bell. And when Igor was looked 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.679 at these files, if when I was doing the reading, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.720 when I found a little off putting was the fact that, yeah, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.120 he couldn't say who gave it to him, that makes sense, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.600 and they wouldn't give him a copy of it, which 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.239 if it's from intelligence I can understand. So he hand 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.680 wrote a transcript of it. So all we have is 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.159 his handwritten copy of it, which seems like a guy 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.240 could have just sat around and made up right off 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.120 the start, I'm a little I'm a little worried about this. Yeah, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.480 that's uh, that's that's a good point. I mean he 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.480 could have, but like, is it is it suspicious because 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.840 he was allowed to like take a transcript of it? 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.240 Is that what suspicious to you know? Just I think 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.760 what he's saying is that I'll go ahead. Sorry, Uh, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.560 there's just I mean, there's no other way for him 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.680 to have gotten that information out of there except for 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.320 to handwrite it. It's to make some notes. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.760 it's I guess what what's hinky to me is that 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.760 it's not an official transcript, so therefore we don't know 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.000 if it really happened. So the first piece of the 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.120 puzzle I'm already questioning, I guess is where I'm getting at, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.800 Because if you know, let's say, the Freedom of Information 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.240 Act in this country, I could request that document and 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.240 have that document heavily redacted, whether it's redacted or not, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.719 I'd have that document as my base, whereas this guy 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.720 doesn't have anything. So that's that's yeah, and its it's 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.840 it's believable that if he was allowed to see as 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.760 some sort of secret file like that, that he would 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.880 only be able to make notes and not make copies 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.080 or anything. I take photos. But at the same time, now, yeah, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:53.320 you're right, it's there's no documentation. Almost more worrying to 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.120 me that he was allowed to take notes, right, because 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.760 if they're like, yeah, this is a class by thing, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.960 you can look at it, but you can't take any 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.360 written anything out of here. You know, you can't make 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.359 a copy of it, that makes more sense to me 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.599 than I'm saying, Yeah, take all the notes you want. Yeah, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.240 you can trade in your own hand. Yeah, that's totally fine. Whatever, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.440 But uh, you know, and I guess this Polish intelligence 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.880 officer never showed this transcript to anybody else or no 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.280 one else who couldn't keep their mouth shuts, and maybe 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.520 you got some of them got whacked. So the people 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.120 who say that the saucer it's a saucer shaped object 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.880 rather than a bell shaped objects said it is powered 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.960 by a pair of rotating drums containing a mysterious irridescent 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.520 purple liquid. So okay, that's uh. But typically it's described 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.359 as a device that's made out of heavy heart metal 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.559 about nine ft wide twelve fift tall, bell shaped Nazi 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.120 swastick like I said, before the story was picked up 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.480 by a guy named Nick Cook. And we'll talk about 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.440 in a few more more. Well, i'll talk I'll talk 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.800 about it now. What the hell? Nick Cook used to 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.720 be the aviation editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, and you 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.479 got you guys have heard of James correct, of course? Yeah, yeah, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.679 they like to go to source for everything about war 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:12.000 planes and warships and all that. Stuffy sitting here, suspiciously quiet. Yeah, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.680 and you've never heard of Jane's. Yeah, they I was 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:19.000 I was just going, yeah, yeah, they are, like you know, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.360 you can think of Jane's is almost like a private 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.600 intelligence service. I mean they gather a lot of information 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.760 and they're very, very credible, and so they have If 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.440 you go to Jans, you can find out everything you 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.840 need to know about the defense forces of any country. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.120 They've got it all mapped out. They've got it intelligence 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.240 on every every plane that these people have, every submarine, 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.880 every ship, data collection for military information. And so we're 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.640 saying that this guy is pretty credible, right, well, that 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:52.400 that that gives them a little bit of an our respectability. Yeah, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.440 because this guy works Janes. Up until two thousand one, 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.320 he was aviation editor for Jane and was like fired 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.800 or I don't know exactly. Isn't like an outrage scandal 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.840 that he left, not that I know of, But I 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.120 have not actually investigated this guy's background too carefully, and 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.400 it's like, I've got a job. Seems like that would 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.840 have come up in any kind of reading, and it 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.600 kind of took who by the way, I was fired 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.120 for making stuff up? Yeah? Actually, yeah, and I did. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.680 I read a review of his book in Salon, and 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.200 Salon was you know, they were a little unkind to 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.040 the book. But I think that if if he had 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.320 been like booted out of Change in Disgrace, it might 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.560 have been mentioned. I think that's probably true. Yeah, I'll 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.000 talk about that later. But anyway, So Nick Cook wrote 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.360 a book and published it just a few years after 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.000 igor Vitkowski published his book. So he was talking about 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.400 anti gravity. It's called The Hunt for Zero Point. And 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.200 this is Nick Cook, this is Nick Cook. So anyway, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.800 according to Nick Cook, this device contained two kind of 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.679 rotating cylinders which would be filled with it a mercury 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.400 like substance which was violent and color of some people 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.719 who claimed that this is red mercury, which I don't 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.800 I don't even quite understand what red mercury is. Yeah, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.559 it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Okay, red mercury is 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.920 it real? Red mercury is not real. But anyway, we 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.520 got back to this. According to what Nick Cook says, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.000 the metallic liquid was code named zero five and that's 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:22.160 spelled x c R U M, and we're not used. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.040 Was stored in a therminus flask that was encased in lead, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.880 so apparently it was dangerous stuff. Additional substances using the 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.760 experiments include thorium and brilliant peroxide. Brilliant peroxide also doesn't exist. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.360 There is such a thing as brilliant oxide, so maybe 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.120 that was a type on his part. I'm not sure. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.640 You know, I've seen it referred to as peroxide on 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.000 every article I came across on this, So either it's 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.520 a lot of copying pasting by everybody on the internet, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.880 or they're calling it peroxide on purpose. Because I've seen 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.680 it in different it's it's not always written the same, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.760 so I know it's not cop being directly, But I 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.000 have seen it called peroxide a lot of time. Yeah, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.000 I've seen the number of references to it too, and 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.040 in this whole Bell thing. But I think somebody originally 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.479 confused peroxide with oxide. Brilliant oxide exists from brilliant peroxide 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.080 does not exist as far as we know. As far 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.520 as we know, yeah, might have made it. Yeah. Well, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.559 when I was I was looking at if they were 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:29.440 talking about the berrillium and the thoramine. Is that thorium? Okay, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.920 thank you? They were both. Then they kept calling it 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.360 peroxide because it was a gel like substance, and that 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.520 seemed to be where everybody was getting the peroxide part 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.360 is it was blah blah peroxide which is a gel 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.160 like substance. I don't know how that relates because the 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.280 science I couldn't quite follow it, but it seems that's 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.040 where they were going with this peroxide thing. Right or wrong, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.000 it seems to be what they were doing. Brilliant peroxide 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.000 doesn't exist. But billium is actually actually does have some use, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.040 isn't certain things? And and and actually somebody has put 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.520 forth a theory for how barrillium could have been used 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:10.880 in the Bell to generate pure weapons. Great, uh, uranium 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.680 two thirty three and no there. But there are a 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.440 bunch of peroxides, right, Yeah, there are other peroxides like 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.760 moron and stuff like that, and hydrogen yeah, and hydrogen peroxide. Yeah, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.360 you're my favor. That's the only one I know science 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.360 factor the day. Did you know that hydrogen peroxide is real? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.240 So anyway, maybe somebody was talking about hydrogen oxides somebody 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.160 else read it and then and then confused it and 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.640 got confused and hydrogen and then were auto corrected on them. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.840 And yeah, maybe it was that handwriting from note taking 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.880 and of course you know they and they were they 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.800 were like say, copy and pasted onto thousands of other 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.800 conspiracy websites and next thing, you know, there we go. Yeah. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.160 So anyway, uh, well, back to the story of the bell. Supposedly, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.600 when it was activated, it had very strong radiation and 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.720 supposedly it killed a bunch of scientists who are working 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.240 on it because apparently when they first turned it on 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.440 for the first time, they didn't realize they were gonna 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.439 get fried. So uh. And also they had some test 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.960 animal and and uh and plant subjects that also got 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.200 toasted by this. And if I am I right, Joe, 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.559 I mean, this is terrible, but I remember some account 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.600 saying that the scientists who died at least one or 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.959 two of them their skin literally melted off. I heard 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.400 these stories. Yeah, yeah, so for everybody who doesn't know, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.240 because I actually started doing a little research because I 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.160 was thinking, well, it's got to be you know, let's 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.840 just look at standardrad can make a skin melt off, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.880 like their face melt off is the Ark of the 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:50.320 Covenant from the documentary Raiders at the Lost Time. Anything 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:56.960 above three thousand rads will burn your skins so badly 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.360 and fastly that it could look like you're skin was melting. Yeah. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.240 There's only one problem with that is that anybody who 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.640 witnessed that event would Yeah, I guess you have to 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.120 be in a reactor, though nuclear reactor to get that 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.480 kind of exposure. Base. It's the easiest way to do it, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.600 I guess, you know. I guess The problem for me 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.280 isn't so much that like, Okay, it's conceivable that somebody 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.960 came in after and was like, wow, their skin has 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.360 melted off of the right that it doesn't doesn't necessarily 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.400 have to be somebody witnessed it melting off of them. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.360 That's very true. But he turned it off. That's good. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.320 I mean, if it killed everybody that was close enough 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.480 to like, haven't you seen the action movie where the 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.959 hero dies and falls on the off switch and saves 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:45.440 the world. That's what this guy did. Actually, No, actually, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.400 what happened is they were powering this thing via extension cord. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.480 The person in the next room where the screaming, and 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.640 then he pulled the extension cord out of the the 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:58.760 out of the outlet. Yeah, I saved the day. But okay, okay, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.040 I'm sure that's what happen. And there's something very much 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.920 like that. Maybe you flipped a circuit breaker. Sweet. Yeah, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.120 supposedly the bell did require vast amounts of electricity to operate, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.640 and so nobody knows why that is. That's weird. Yeah, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:15.520 so it was like, I'm sorry, the usefulness of something 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.920 goes down drastically when you have to actually like plug 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.000 it in. Yeah, I mean, eventually, maybe, you know, maybe 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.120 it becomes self sustain sustaining. Yeah, you know, I mean 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.760 and and and maybe your initial version requires three million volts, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.840 you know, and stuff like that in massive amounts of current. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:35.280 But maybe eventually, with refining and research and experimentation, you 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:36.480 can get it down to the to where you can 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.600 actually put it on a battleship or a tank or something. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.960 Like her a plane, if this was a weapon. All 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.600 of those things are things that I want to do 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.480 with vast amounts of radiation. Yeah, well, but if you 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.280 don't know what it's going to do, you don't know 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.960 that that radiation is going to your crew. That's true. Yeah, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.480 there was. There was a lot of stuff that that 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.600 we did back in like the forties and the fifties, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.080 as far as experimentation with bombs and radiation. We had 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.760 no idea that it was going to like so many people, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.840 short and long term. You guys, I know, I'm pretty 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.440 sure both of you've seen is the movie that was 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.120 shot by I think their air Fish soldiers out in 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.560 the desert watching a nuke go off in the air, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.160 standing there and laughing and joking and talking about it, 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.640 and it's like a mile above them, so they're just 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:26.920 bombarded with reading. It's it's really not easy to watch 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.240 because they're just having a good time. Wow, that's so awesome, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.480 and you're just looking at it going you have no 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:40.280 idea what is happening right now? Fred I think the 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.360 most there was. There are a lot of different films 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.320 from all the experiments that they did back in those 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.760 days and the most horrible one that I ever saw, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.040 and it was truly awful. It was like they were 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.600 experimenting with with protective suits for our troops protect them 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.640 from the intense heat of a nearby nuclear blast. And 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.520 it's like like I have a kind of tinfoil. So 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.560 they they made up a bunch of little suits for 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:10.680 for some pigs. No, I'm not gonna tell you anymore. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.400 It was. It was terrible. It's already yeah, it was 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:22.680 bad anyway. So back back to Vitkowski. According to him, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.040 the bell was built, or at least was how used, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.480 in a German facility known as Theresa called which is 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.240 known as the Giant. And it's actually it's not a 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.720 single buility. It's like there's a like a valley in Silesia, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.680 which is in Poland, southern Poland, near the Czech border, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.640 about seventy miles east of the German border, and of 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.320 course that was German territory during World War two, and 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.800 they built this massive complex. It wasn't just one building, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.480 it was actually this valley had a lot of massive 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.120 complexes and tunnels and all kinds of secret stuff going 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.720 on in there. I just want to mention how uncreative 0:16:54.840 --> 0:17:00.560 the Germans were when naming things. Everything is the something, right, Oh, yeah, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.680 that's the giant, that's the bell, that's uh the well. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.200 Code names are like that, though an intelligence officer can 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.840 only go so far before he gets really bored with 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.360 just coming up with words. Oh, it's the osprey, it's 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:25.520 the eagle. Eventually, lamp share table, project table, Yeah, project 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.439 table is more interesting than the giants the giant. The 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.720 giants kind of kind of got a cool edge to it. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.920 Let's go it's it's it's kind of intimidating. You heard 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.760 that a giant was living in this valley, would you 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:43.280 go down there? Hell? No, it's uh. Kaska also claimed 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.159 that there was a massive concrete well not that massive, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.159 but and there's pictures of it on the internet if 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.080 anybody cares to go look see. It's called the Hande 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.919 And it's like it's a circular structure with vertical like 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.280 vertical concrete supports and then it's like basically a concrete, 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.760 steel reinforced I'm sure circle on the top of it. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.440 It looks like Stonehenge but made out of concrete. Yeah, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.520 made out of skinnier stoves to Okay, I get the 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.920 name now. Yea, yeah, and so the yeah, he claimed 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.520 that it was it served as a test rig where 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.119 they could put the bell and experiment with anti gravity stuff. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.800 He's claiming that there's some anti gravity work involved here. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.600 But didn't people say that they also thought that that 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.560 was probably just a cooling tower. Yeah, yeah, exactly the 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.959 basis for a cooling tower. So yeah, and that's kind 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.200 of what it looks like. So but that's what that's 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.399 a that's a like a nuclear cooling tower, right, it 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.919 doesn't look big enough. Nuclear cooling towers are pretty annorying. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.840 Well they're huge. So yeah, so I started to figure 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.000 out what kind of cooling tower that would be for 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.719 I mean, I mean, I mean, that's the thing about it. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.080 It's like, when you look at the pictures of it, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.760 you can't really get an idea of the scale. It 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.760 looks too small to be the base of a nuclear 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.960 cooling tower. But you know, the thing is with the 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.280 nuclear cooling tower is that they've got a structure on 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.280 top of their base, which kind of looks like the Henge. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.200 So it could have been. Yeah, you know, it's it's 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.840 always hard to tell with surely there are pictures from 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.560 the time somewhere. Yeah. Actually, you know what I think 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.440 is um, I think it looks like the base for 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.080 a water tank that would actually supply the water to 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.000 a cooling tower. That yeah, because I don't I don't know. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.400 The Germans weren't that far in terms of nuclear technology 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.600 as far as we know, so they wouldn't have a 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.160 reason to use a cooling tower that for nukes. Well, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.720 I mean there's there's other there's other things that generate heat. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.760 I mean, it's like an other indust la industrial applications. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.040 So yeah, I think it could have been just an 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.600 ordinary thing. Alternately, it was definitely a house for the bell. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.800 It could have been I mean, you know, to hold 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.879 it down away, No, no no, just to like, how's it 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.000 make a little pen for it? You know that's like, yeah, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.600 it'd be tall enough. Right, they could test its floating capabilities, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.040 but not lose it out in the field somewhere banking 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.679 hand curtains around the side so people couldn't spy in 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.000 and see it was going on. It would be kind 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.720 of funny and ironic if they take it out for 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.040 the tat that the entire first gravity test they turn 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:11.080 it on, it just goes never see it again. I 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.040 guess we're gonna have to start over again. The better 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:15.879 better still would be they turn it on and it 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.440 slowly starts to rise, and it starts to rise, and 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.480 it starts to rise, and then and then somebody says, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.959 do we know how to turn it off? And Uh, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.600 it's like a like a balloon, it just starts away. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:38.640 Uh no, it we made it self sustaining. Yeah. Yeah. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.520 So anyway, so the anti gravity thing was pursued somewhat 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.240 by by Nick Cook and also by Wokowski. Wakowski claims 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.400 that the US government actually has been working on anti 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.359 gravity devices for decades now and spending lots of money 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.960 on it. Why wouldn't we? Yeah, well it's not a 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.240 bad idea as not at all. Yeah, And the hunt 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.960 for zero point. Zero point energy is the the energy 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.440 state that a particle is in at its lowest state 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.000 of energy, on its coldest and so apparently, and I 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.600 don't understand the physics behind this or the math behind 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.040 this at all, but apparently a particle at that point, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.840 if you can, if you can harness the energy possessed 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.320 by that particle, then it's almost infinite. In other words, 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.240 we would have a fantastic energy source. This is what 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.119 although other other physicists have derived that derided, this is 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.040 basically the equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. You know. Yeah, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.080 if you can find a way to get to release 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.159 that energy, then you'll have all kinds of energy. But 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.800 the energy required to release that energy will probably be more, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.400 in fact, almost certainly will be more than the energy 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.640 to get back. It's kind of like nuclear fusion, same thing. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.640 That's our perpetual motion machine that we've been striving after 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.800 for decades to spend two dollars to get a dollar. Yeah. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.760 So yeah, nuclear fusion we've we've totally achieved. I mean, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.719 and it's not that we can't do that. We can 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.960 do that easily, but getting more energy out of the 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.439 transaction than we put in that's a tough part. And 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.800 we haven't figured that one out. When I was a kid, 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.959 by today, we were supposed to all be it was 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.840 our entire society was going to be powered by nuclear fusion. 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.520