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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hi, there,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways, the hard hitting

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Speaker 1: Internet podcast. We're laughing but true. The most accurate thing

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Speaker 1: he said yet, Damn we're hard hitting. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: am Joe and I'm joined as always by and Steve

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Speaker 1: Alright today, so today we're going to solve it on

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Speaker 1: the mystery. And this is one of you guys may

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Speaker 1: or may not have heard about. It's called the Nazi Bell.

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Speaker 1: That's right, the Nazi Bell. I had never heard of this,

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Speaker 1: and I consider myself to be a strong mystery buff

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Speaker 1: things that we do, I've heard of before we do them.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about this until about a month ago

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Speaker 1: when I came across an article somehow I think it

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Speaker 1: was advertised on something and what is that? And I

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Speaker 1: to that article. Yeah, yeah, this is right up your alley. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, I jumped on a plane and

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Speaker 1: went to Germany, dug through the Nazi archives and well,

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Speaker 1: here's what I found. Well, not really. Yeah, as soon

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Speaker 1: as we get a budget, then we're gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Uh, we're gonna actually be covering a

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Speaker 1: lot of unsolved mysteries in places like Hawaii, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Paris. Very nice. Yeah. So anyway back

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Speaker 1: to the Nazi Bell. The Nazi Bell was pretty much

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Speaker 1: unknown as far as the world is concerned until the

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Speaker 1: year two thousand. Polish writer named Igor Vitkowski published a

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Speaker 1: book called The Truth about the Wounderwaffa. Of course, of

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Speaker 1: the Wonder Weapon. He describes this this thing as being

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Speaker 1: and shaped like a bell. Other descriptions you guys can

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Speaker 1: Nazi swastick on the side the bell did, of course. Yeah, yeah, naturally. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Alternative descriptions have described it as a saucer shaped object.

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Speaker 1: Nazi bell. So are we saying we don't actually know

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Speaker 1: that it existed, even that's that's the possibility. That's no. No,

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Speaker 1: So I know why yougo. Vitkowski published his wounderboff A book,

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Speaker 1: it seems to be what they were doing. Brilliant peroxide

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Speaker 1: the Nazis that they killed sixty scientists who were working

424
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: on the project and buried them in a mass grave.

425
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: That doesn't really sound like Nazis mass Graves. Not at all, No,

426
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: not at all. It's like, yes, well, mask mass Graves

427
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: are kind of popular all around the world, frankly, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah,

428
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: that's a great way to advance your project though. Yeah,

429
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: it's so secret. We're gonna kill you. That's how important

430
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: your work is to us. Yeah, we're gonna kill you.

431
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: We value you so much. Yeah. Uh yeah, And there's

432
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: another Another author claims that it contains red mercury, and

433
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: red mercury is kind of this big box. Yeah, we

434
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: talked about that already, but he said that it had

435
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: when you put a concave mirror on the top of

436
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: the device, it gave you the ability to see images

437
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: from the past. So it was a time machine. Uh.

438
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: Igor Btkowski said that the bell ended up in a

439
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: South American country, and Nick claims it was taken to

440
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: the US as part of the deal made with a

441
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: general named Hans Kamler. So if this thing did exist,

442
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: we don't know where it went. You and I don't. Yeah,

443
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: this is the general public. Okay, Now, before I know that,

444
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: we're about to get into theories. But before we get

445
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: into that, what I'm curious about is when I did

446
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: some of the research this bell. The Nazis moved it

447
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: around a lot over the course of two years. And

448
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: this things seems like it would be kind of a

449
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: big deal to move around, and they moved it around.

450
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: And I almost got the impression through some of the

451
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: reading that they had more than one. Yeah, I've heard.

452
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I have heard that rumors of more than one also

453
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: to three four of them. They figured they built the

454
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: first one and then oh, we gotta go here, Well,

455
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: let's just build a new one there. And rather than

456
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: packing this thing over there, which seems I guess if

457
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: it's not hard to make, that's okay. But it's again,

458
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: they were doing strange things. They were shuffling the deck constantly,

459
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: so who knows what was going on in the high command. Yeah,

460
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: and this is one of those things too that we've

461
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: talked about in the previous stories. Some of these stories

462
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: grow in the telling. I remember right now, I know Wakowski.

463
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I only claimed that it was down in in the

464
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: giant the valley with all the all the cool secret facilities.

465
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: But then other people who have chimed in and said

466
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: to no, no, it was it was housed in in

467
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: this university and then went up being moved here and

468
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: moved there, and it's like, okay, maybe, yeah, I guess

469
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: you don't know where. Which is the true vein of truth? Yeah,

470
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: the true vein of truth. Yeah. So anyway, so it

471
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about some theories. Sweet. Yeah, we've already

472
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit. It was an anti

473
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: gravity device that was claimed by Wadkowski and Cook that

474
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: then they did and we're doing anti gravity experiments, which

475
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: could have conceivably it produced a very powerful weapon for

476
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: the war. I mean, I'm trying to I'm thinking, like,

477
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: if you had a powerful enough antigravity device, you could

478
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: build like a land battleship. Imagine the tank, but it

479
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: doesn't need to actually like touch the land. It just

480
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: floats over it. And it's like not the size of

481
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: a tank, it's like the size of a small building. Yeah,

482
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: that'd be kind of cool. And I know that some

483
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: of the people that are supporting that it was for

484
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: anti gravity, they point out that scientists that were and

485
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: this is supposed, but scientists that were involved in the

486
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: V two and the V one program, which is the

487
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: Nazis rocket program, which they were the innovators, and they

488
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: had the farthest reaching rockets at the time. Yeah, the

489
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: same scientists were involved with the Bell, So they were thinking, well,

490
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: if I can only get it so far propelled by fuel,

491
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: what if I could just make the things float over there?

492
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: And the conjecture was that they were doing it because

493
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: they knew they couldn't use a rocket fuel based rocket

494
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: to go all the way to say the States, Yeah,

495
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: which was something that they were working on. If you

496
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: had an anti gravity device that could go there, it

497
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: would be much simpler, and you could do it with

498
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: less fuel because it's just floating along on its own

499
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: or rather than pushing its way through the atmosphere and

500
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: fighting grab And I guess it wouldn't if it were

501
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: something that was kind of big and heavy like the Bell.

502
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: I think kind of it was right. You don't even

503
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: need to put explosives really in it for it to

504
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: have some kind of damaging effect. If you've got a

505
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: thing that's going really fast that's really heavy, you can

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: just barrel it through a bunch of stuff, right, or

507
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: even like ships, you don't have to shoot missiles or

508
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: anything like that. You just shoot your thing and it

509
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 1: pokes a hole in it. And I was thinking more

510
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: of it, Like it's it's just towing some kind of

511
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: nuclear device or some kind of explosive device, and nuclear

512
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: is the wrong word. Explosive device. Like you watch helicopters

513
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: towing things and they're dragging it under their suspended beneath them.

514
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: So if this thing could float on its own and

515
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: then just carry and explosive and then just get over

516
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: its target and drop it and keep going, theoretically that

517
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: means you can come back to home and you can

518
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: use it again. There's lots of lots of uses. Yeah,

519
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all the fairies. Yeah. Well, and that's

520
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: the thing that you know, in order to like not

521
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: be knocked down by by the US fighters or whoever

522
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: they were planning on attacking, they would have to be

523
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: like above the atmosphere. So that's essentially have to be

524
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: a spaceship. But you know, I mean the Nazis were

525
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: way ahead of us in many other regards, so they

526
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: could have done that too. Mostly, you know, it's shocking

527
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: how far you can get when you don't really care

528
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: about morals and people. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But yeah,

529
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: that was We're gonna we're gonna get We're gonna talk

530
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: about some of those people, by the way, before we're

531
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: done here. Yeah, Now, so the anti gravity thing, even

532
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: though it's and and and Cook spent a lot of

533
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: time in his book talking about not just the bill,

534
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: but talking about the U. S. Government in general investigating

535
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: the whole anti gravity thing. They're like, he claims that

536
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: they've been doing it a lot. He thinks that they

537
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: have the bill. He thinks that they've been spending a

538
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: lot of money on anti gravity research, which you know,

539
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: actually wouldn't really surprise me because actually it's something we

540
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: should be trying to understand. If it's possible to understand

541
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: how to make gravity waves, how to how to block

542
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: gravity waves, that would be pretty useful technology. Yeah, you know,

543
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: thank thankfully, we haven't had any suggestions, nor do I

544
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: think we have any interest in ever tackling like Rawswell

545
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I do know that a

546
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: lot of the kind of more modern, more believable theories

547
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: about Roswell, an Area fifty one and things like that

548
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: are that people see these things that they identify as

549
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: unidentified flying objects because the U. S. Military is testing

550
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: these new kind of propulsion systems or anti gravity or

551
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: anything like that, or even stuff that's not even that

552
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: out of this world, like the Stealth Fighter, which they

553
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: definitely were there. Yeah, and they kept that under wraps

554
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: for a long time, and supposedly the CEI IS admitted

555
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: that they actually they actually stirred the pot with UFO

556
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: stories for a while just so that people spotted one

557
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: of our experimental craft flying around they would be dismissed

558
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: as kooks. Yeah. I think you know that's a that's

559
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: a strong possibility and play it is, and it wouldn't.

560
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: It would not shock me at all if that was

561
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: something that we were working on it, I you know,

562
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: have a problem with them working on that or keeping

563
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: it secret. Honestly, it would be. It would be an

564
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: extremely powerful technology if anybody could actually do it. But

565
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that we understand gravity well

566
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: enough at this point to really create an anti gravity machine. Yeah.

567
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we do. Yeah, I could if we

568
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: figure it out in this day and age. We're gonna

569
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: it's going to be an accident. Yeah, We're going to

570
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: stumble upon something and go WHOA, and we want to

571
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: understand will know how to do it kind of, but

572
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: we will know how to do it, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

573
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think that as far as as

574
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: far as like you know, grabbing the Nazi bell and

575
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: trying to build rebuild a Nazi bell, I think the

576
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: better better to just fund theoretical research by scientists and

577
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the gravity and the nature thereof and all that stuff.

578
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: We need to understand gravity a little bit better, and

579
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: that's probably a good way to Yeah, okay, So anyway,

580
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: there's always and I mentioned previously also there was a

581
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: time machine time travel machine theory, and this is like

582
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: that didn't allow you to go back and forward in time,

583
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: but you could see backward in time, which would be

584
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: kind of cool, I guess. But I've always thought that

585
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: that's the least one of the least useful time travel technology,

586
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: the ability to see into our past, right, because okay,

587
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: so I can understand seeing into our future or traveling

588
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: into our past, but seeing the past is kind of like, no,

589
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: we I mean we saw that already. Yeah, maybe not

590
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: all of the useful for murder investigations and things like that. Yeah,

591
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's let's put this into context.

592
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: So somebody reports a detractor is what you would were

593
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: called when you got reported to the s S was

594
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: that the correct word detractor. What do they call when

595
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: somebody would would out you, it's oh, he's an enemy

596
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: of the state, him record, they would disappear you anyway.

597
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: The would people would say, oh, you know, and I

598
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: don't like Joe, I'm going to report him the s

599
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: S and then Joe would disappear because I had reported

600
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: that he did something. So think about this. You are

601
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: wondering if high high level official is maybe not as

602
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: loyal as you think he is, that might be feeding information.

603
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: It would actually be really informative and useful to be

604
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: able to if you could control the thing, focus on

605
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: that guy and say, you know, I know that in

606
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: this time frame of let's say two months, he did

607
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: some kind of off stuff. So let's just watch what

608
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: he did and see if he did anything that wasn't right.

609
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: And then we we have proof and we don't need

610
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: to prove in a court law. We just know that

611
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: we're right. The question is is could you know? I mean,

612
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: it's tough enough to see in the past, but say

613
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: you're you're there, and you're you're there in your secret

614
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: factory and you're looking into the past, I would think

615
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you'd only be able to see it in the past

616
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: and your location. Well now now you're now you're putting

617
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: parameters on it. We don't know what this thing could do.

618
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm what if I could, you know, maybe you could

619
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: to go to any locations past, maybe you can you

620
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: know where, whenever and wherever I want it. I gotta

621
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: say I'm impressed with those Nazis, because yeah, that's pretty

622
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: amazing me too. And I also don't have the sense.

623
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not, by any means a Nazi historian.

624
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about this kind of

625
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: time in history or anything like that. But the impression

626
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: that I have is not overwhelmingly that Nazis cared about

627
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: individual life. I mean, I think that's kind of the

628
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: idea of like communism is like for the greater good, right,

629
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: so like you know, carring like a high level ranking officer, right,

630
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: But nine times out of ten, like if I go

631
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: report Joe and he gets disappeared, I don't have the

632
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: impression and they're gonna be like, all right, we're gonna

633
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: turn on the machine and look into the past and

634
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: see if you actually did this thing. More than they're

635
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: just going to be like, wow, a bullets super cheap. Yeah, okay,

636
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: but but no, no, no, no no. I First, first

637
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: of all, I mean the Nazis were socialists, so there

638
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: they you know, I mean, so they thought that what

639
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: they were doing is for the greater good too, just

640
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: like the Communists did. And so you know, but but

641
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it always seems to be the

642
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: way with comedies and socialists is that you know, it's

643
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: always well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a

644
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: few eggs, exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, so they get

645
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: crushed underfoot. But nonetheless, you know, even even the Nazi Germany,

646
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: even though like they're they're a heartless bunch, they still

647
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: can't kill everybody. You can. For example, found out, like

648
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, that the murdering his entire officer corps in

649
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: the army didn't really serve them. Well, you know, in

650
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: World War Two, it's like, you know, it's like all

651
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: the competent people that could actually like you know, save

652
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: my country from the invaders, well I had to executed

653
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: or sent to the goolak oops. Sure, right. And of course,

654
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, if that was a big thing, if that's

655
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: what we're saying it was used for, is to like

656
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: exonerate higher ranking all board. I am on board. It

657
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: would be a great spine tool as well. I want

658
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: to see what the President of the United States was doing.

659
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: And let's say I just tuned it into two minutes

660
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: ago for him and just watches it. So I've got

661
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: a two minute delay on what the President of the

662
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: United States conversation. All right, I'm on board. Now it's

663
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: a cool idea. Now, I remember when I was a kid,

664
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: I used to read more a lot more sci fi

665
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: than I do today. And Isaac aske him off throw

666
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: the story that was about this machine that this guy

667
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: built that could look into the past. He could look

668
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, you could look into the past and and

669
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: and anywhere and just and it was really really cool.

670
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: And but the thing about it is is that like

671
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: every time somebody came up with this technology, government agents

672
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: would shut would show up and take it away. And

673
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: so this guy, like he had these government agents after him,

674
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: so he just takes it, takes this and he basically

675
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: puts the whole thing out in public, you know, he publishes,

676
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: publishes everything about it, so that anybody can build one

677
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: of these things. And then and then the government agents

678
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: say and just say you know, you can look a

679
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: hundred years into the past, or you can look two

680
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: minutes into the past. What you've just done is you've

681
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: just destroyed everybody's privacy. Welcome to the future whole. Yeah,

682
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: and so it was it was kind of a kind

683
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: of a nice twist on the stage. Yeah, what a

684
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: boso Yeah yeah, so anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah for for

685
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: a kind of a silly little theory. Another theory put

686
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: out there is that it was a heavy particle accelerator.

687
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: It was there. They were using it to create bomb

688
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: grade or excuse me, weapons grade you two thirty three,

689
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: that's uranium. Yeah. So, uh so apparently there's, uh, there's

690
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: people that have claimed that it has some sort of

691
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: special acceleration process there. There are these small particle accelerators

692
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: that are called cyclotrons that that's kind of if you

693
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: want to don't want to have a linear accelerator, it's

694
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: like half a mile long, you can use a cyclatron

695
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: on which moves a particle in a spiral outward from

696
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: the center and it builds up speed and then you

697
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: can like you know, smash particles in other particles and

698
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: chief fusion or fission or whatever it is. You're trying

699
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: to do among these The theory is that they were

700
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: trying to create, trying to convert thorium two thirty two

701
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: into uranium two thirty three. I don't know what any

702
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: of those things mean. Yeah, well is this me being

703
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: an idiot, This is me being a This is complex,

704
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: this complex chemistry. Yeah. I think the simple version is

705
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: they were trying to take what was the first one again,

706
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: Joe thorium two thirty two thorium, and they were trying

707
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: to create uranium, which is then uh, weapons create, correct,

708
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: So they were trying to turn it into weapons grade uranium.

709
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: And if this thing was a particle accelerator. Again, this

710
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: is my understanding of the science, and I'm not a

711
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: mathematician or a scientist, but it has some and do

712
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: with spinning at that velocity you break off. I can't

713
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: remember if it's a I think it's electrons, yea electrons,

714
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: electron nuclei. Yeah, and so they combine and slam together

715
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: and then form a new element like the large hand

716
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: client that's exactly correct. Yeah, well yeah, I think that

717
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: that specifically what what is vaporized mercury spins in the

718
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: magnetic field and electron has become excited, uh and disassociate.

719
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: When they were timing nuclei, they swirl around rapidly in

720
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: this in a sort of plasma inside this and as

721
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: a as a hit protons, they emit X rays. This

722
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: is I have no idea. I'm not a physicist, but

723
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: this is the way I've heard it described as the

724
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: theoretical way that the Bell could have worked. So that

725
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: would explain the people white people died because exactly, yeah,

726
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: so it generates X rays and then and then the

727
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: X rays when you when the X rays hit brilliant brilliant. Supposedly,

728
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: that's what's called donating. It donates neutrons, and so yeah, exactly,

729
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna done it. So essentially I need a deduction

730
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: on my taxes going to donate an electron. No, I

731
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: think I think b willium is very generous, A big

732
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: fun of it. So anyway, So anyway, so apparently under

733
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: the series they were trying to they were trying to

734
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: use fusion to create basically add protons and two and

735
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: neutrons to rate two to transform it to uranium two thirty.

736
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: This isn't a better way to generate weapons. Get great. Supposedly,

737
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I guess they were looking for a simpler way, looking

738
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: for a quick to reach your shortcut to create you

739
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: two thirty or maybe even in the field to create it. Well,

740
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: there's no point in creating in the field though. Yeah,

741
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, you created and then you just like squirt

742
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: gun it the other guys and then they're like, oh,

743
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: the X rays or yeah, super soaker party. Ever No, well,

744
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: so anyway, they have a heavy particle accelerator. Is probably

745
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: one of the more credible theories that you know. Certainly

746
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: it beats and I think it beats the time machine

747
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: by a little bit. Yeah, it's the anti gravity device,

748
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: but not quite so much, but also by a little bit.

749
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: But there's a fourth theory. What's that? It was a bell? Oh,

750
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: please tell me the uses of the Nazi bell that

751
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: rings calls people to church, you know, Yeah, that's the

752
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: Nazi bell. So yeah, so you guys, you guys have

753
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: been doing a little independent research on this yourselves, I assume. Yeah,

754
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: have you come up with any other any other credible

755
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: theories for this? I mean I would say that my

756
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: only other credible theory is that it's a made up thing.

757
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't actually exist. Well, we'll talk about that talking

758
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: about let's talk about it. Yeah. The origins, of course

759
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: was Polish author Igor with Kowski, as we talked about earlier,

760
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: wrote The Truth about the Wounder WAFA. Yeah, and it

761
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: got wider play when Nick Cook published his book The

762
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Hunt for Zero Points a couple of years later, right, Yeah,

763
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: and he probably sourced a lot of his information, if

764
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: not froll of it from from Kowski. Yeah. Yeah, and

765
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: he says he found incredible and believable. So I've got

766
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: named Kirk Kleiner Roatar review of The Hunt for Zero

767
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: Point and uh and here's what he had to say

768
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: about Cook's reliance on with Kowski. That's a little bit scathing.

769
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, in a settle sort of way.

770
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: So why does Cook believe with Kowsky? I'm quoting now

771
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: the Kowsky had been recommended to me by polar sources.

772
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Now in quoting Nick Cook, do my work at James

773
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: as someone who's both highly knowledgeable and reliable. Had Wikowski

774
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: been in any way a lightweight, I would have turned

775
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: around and got on the first plane home. But when

776
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: I saw him, I knew he was okay unquote, just

777
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: as shaking are most of Cook's conclusions. So anyway, so

778
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: quoting from he just keeps going, I'm going I wanted

779
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: a big review, and yeah I don't, I don't want to,

780
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: but yeah I kind of kind of ripped on Cook

781
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Uh, And yeah, you guys should

782
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: read read the review's kind of fun. But so he

783
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: relied very heavily on Wkowski's story. I don't know, and

784
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: he claims that he was able to go because he

785
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: spent a lot of he supposed to supposedly kind of

786
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: an expert on black programs, and black programs being the

787
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: stuff that's in the black budget, the stuff that's hidden

788
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: in the budget that you don't know about, things like

789
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: the stealth bomber for example, the stealth fighter. So he

790
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: claims that by by looking at our black budgets and stuff,

791
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: he's be able to find huge gaping holes where he

792
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: can infer lots of anti gravity research and maybe you know,

793
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: monkying with the bells going on, but there's a lot

794
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: of the big extrapolations going on there. He doesn't actually

795
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: have access to that much information about that stuff. And

796
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: so he realized on guys like Yvonne igor Wadkowski. So

797
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: anyway back to Wakowski's he's got us. There's a little

798
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: problem with this story, which is Jacob Spornberg, who was

799
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: who was indeed a German high ranking German s S. Soldier,

800
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: But and that, and of course it was Jacob Swarburgh

801
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: was the guy that Polish Intelligence ppposedly interrogated and and

802
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: made a transcript of the interrogation. And then what Kowski

803
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: got to read that they talked about the Bell So

804
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: he's he was. He was a soldier, he wasn't a scientist.

805
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: He spent he spent most of the war fighting partisans

806
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: in bell Belarus and in Poland, and eventually wound up

807
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: in Norway, where he was captured by the British. Let

808
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: me throw up a map real quick like here. Well,

809
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: first of all, down here this is this is the

810
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: giant the valley where all that all that secret stuff

811
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: is going on in those vast complexes on the border

812
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: of the Republican on the of the Czech Republic and

813
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: not too far east of Germany. Spormberg was initially stationed

814
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: in Minsk in Belarus, which is I don't know, eight

815
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: hundred to a thousand miles northeast there, and eventually he

816
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: was stationed in Lublin, Poland, which is several hundred miles

817
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: to the east of where the bell would have been,

818
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: and then after that wound up in Norway. It doesn't

819
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: appear to me from his biography anyway, unless unless they cleverly,

820
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: cleverly cut some stuff out. Number one, it didn't appear

821
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: that he physically got anywhere close to the bell. And

822
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: also there's no particular reason why he would have been,

823
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: because he was a soldiery and basically kind of you know,

824
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: there never reason to be there. I had no reason

825
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: to be there really. Or two, and if he if

826
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: he was staying down there for any reason, it's not

827
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: like somebody's gonna take him aside and say, hey, check

828
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: out this really cool anti gravity thing we're working on. Well,

829
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: you could be another soldier trying to impress me. Buddy,

830
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe what I found. But you know

831
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: what it kind of sounds like to me, is you know,

832
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: if you couldn't tell I've never been to war, I've

833
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: never been a soldier, But I have the impression that

834
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like kind of b sen and

835
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: like storytelling, almost like campfire storytelling, particularly if you're like

836
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: in the trenches of an awful war like, and you know,

837
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: it's just it's human nature to kind of like make

838
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: up these stories. And often you want to make up

839
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: stories about this awesome new technology that you have, the

840
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: you are fighting for have that's going to help you

841
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: in a war. And so me, you know, it's totally possible.

842
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: This guy heard somebody who was like, oh man, you

843
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: know what I saw recently, or like this scientist dude

844
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: told me they have been working on It was just

845
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: kind of a campfire story. But he got captured and

846
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: interrogated and he was like, Okay, I'm just gonna tell

847
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: you everything that might be anything, and it's just kind

848
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: of spiraled out of control. Does that even seem plausible?

849
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's talk about that for a second.

850
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: So by the time the polls interrogated him, he had

851
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: to have known he was going to be hung for

852
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: for his war crimes, because this guy committed some serious

853
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: war crimes, biggest among them operational harvest festival in Poland,

854
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: which involved they rounded up. They were having troubles. They're

855
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: not just having troubles with the local Jews. They were

856
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, rising up. And then you know,

857
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: because the Jews basically being kept in slave labor camps,

858
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: and so there were rebellions and all kinds of stuff,

859
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: all kinds of trouble, all kinds of trouble with them,

860
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: and so they finally decided to just killed them all.

861
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: And so Operation Harvest Festival was they had all these

862
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: all these slaves come out and dig quote unquote tank trenches,

863
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: defensive tank trenches, and so that's what they basically got

864
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: to dig their own mass grave. And then yeah, over

865
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: a period of a couple of days, they slaughtered them

866
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: all and then buried them. There we're talking a serious,

867
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: seriously huge, heinous war crime. So, like I said, he

868
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: wound up being stationed in Norway where he was captured

869
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: by the British. After interrogation, they decided to send Sender

870
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: to London for further interrogation regarding his war crimes, and

871
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: he was eventually extradited after the war to Poland and

872
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: he was executed by the Polish in nineteen e sees

873
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: me by the Poles in nineteen fifty two. So it's

874
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: unlikely that he would be trying to trade information for

875
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: well precisely, yeah, because there's no point he knows he's

876
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: going to get shot or strong up or something. Well,

877
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: people are inherently trying to stay alive as long as possible,

878
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: and it's pretty it's it's kind of well known fact

879
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: that if I'm in custody, I might as well just

880
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: start telling you everything I can, because as long as

881
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking, you've got a reason to keep me right. Yeah, yeah,

882
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: it took me a second to make that connection of

883
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: but I also just you know, turned a name into

884
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: an adverber. But yeah, you keep talking, keep giving them

885
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: even if your jaws pulling it out of your backside.

886
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: You just keep talking and telling them stuff because I

887
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: just keep writing it down and going with it. And yeah,

888
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: maybe I mean I you know, I think that would

889
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: have bought him about an extra five minutes, but not

890
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: really worth it. And and he had a credibility problem there,

891
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: and that you know, he was he was basically his

892
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: job was just to like, you know, repress people and

893
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: slaughter Jews and stuff like that, and so it has

894
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: no credibility when comes talking about secret scientific things. So anyway,

895
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think that Kowski's story is really credible,

896
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: because I don't see how Spoortingberg could have been involved

897
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: in anything any sort of scientific project. I don't see why.

898
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: He seems like we've got a pretty good record of

899
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: what he was doing. Yeah, and I don't see why

900
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: he would have spent any time and interrogation talking about

901
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: some secret Nazi bell thing. It doesn't make any sense

902
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: to me. That could have happened. I mean, you never know.

903
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: I mean, they might have drugged him, and it might

904
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: be by this point in time he was he's been

905
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: spending He's spent years in cells and an interrogation rooms

906
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: and everything like that. Maybe he was out of his mind.

907
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you know, solitary does awful things to

908
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: people and they just want to say, don't say anything,

909
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway back to let's talk about Nick

910
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Cook for a second. Um, he seems a little credulous,

911
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, and he seems like a credible person because

912
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: he worked for Jame's Defense Weekly and now even even

913
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: like since then, he submits articles as a contributor to

914
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Financial Times, Wall Street Journal. You know, not not a

915
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: not a raving loon or anything like that. But he

916
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: seems a bit credulous. I came across an interview of

917
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: him in the Atlantic and from ways back and he's

918
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: queered about a guy named John Hutchison, and he spends

919
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: some time talking about Hutchesson, and he thinks this stuff

920
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: is interesting and credible and true. But how just said,

921
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: if you do a little Internet searching on the guy,

922
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: he's a total crank who has claimed that he created

923
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: a zero gravity field and and he's been able to

924
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: transmit metal steel to lead things like that, and uh

925
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: what else. He says he's created a battery that has

926
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: almost infinite power. He's made all these claims. He can't

927
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: replicate any of these claims, and so he's he's universally

928
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: accepted as just alluded to crank. So basically what you're

929
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: getting at is that Cook kind of buys in easily,

930
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe not the right people. He's yeah, kind of yeah yeah.

931
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: Also in his book he talks about Hans Kammler. We

932
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: talked about that a little earlier than he said that.

933
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: He said that Hans Kammler had had arranged arranged for

934
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: clamming see from the Allies for by trading them a

935
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: lot of valuable technology scientific research. That's how the bell

936
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: supposedly came to the Kammler written moved the bell to

937
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: a safe spot a hidden spot and then negotiated with

938
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: with the US and said, hey, I've got this incredible WOUNDERWAFFA,

939
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, this anti gravity time machine device, and you know,

940
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: if you guys will and this guy was also a

941
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: war criminal, and so if you guys will forgive my sins,

942
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where it is. And yeah, and so

943
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: that is what Cook claims. But I did a little

944
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: research on haunts Kammler's biography, and he was a civil

945
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: engineer and he built a lot of things, including including

946
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: concentration camps. He designed and build like for example, some

947
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: of the some of the crematoriums where they gassed all

948
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: the Jews. I mean, yeah, he was it was involved

949
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: in a lot of stuff like that. He was a

950
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: competent engineer, and he rose in power and eventually wound

951
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: up being in charge of not just he was essentially

952
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: was he was charged with building a V two rocket

953
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: production facility, and then eventually he wound up being put

954
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: in charge of actually running the facility and producing V

955
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: two rockets, which were by the way, produced with slave labor.

956
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: For the reasons, he was very effective at it because

957
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: he was ruthless and he didn't really care about working

958
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: people to death and things like that, and later on

959
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: he got put in charge of aircraft. Also, Cook claims

960
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: that that Hants Kammler was in charge of all of

961
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: their secret weapons programs, but that's not true. That's an exaggeration.

962
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: He was in charge of rocket production and apparently aircraft production,

963
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: but that's about it. He was a civil engineer. He

964
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a scientist. But Cook claims that he was in

965
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: charge of all these super secret programs and that therefore

966
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: he was the guy that could have traded these to

967
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: the Allies. But no, so we're saying he's not super credible. Yeah,

968
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would say he is not credible, and

969
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: so in snce, he's the guy who actually popularized his theory.

970
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, igor Igorotkowski is the guy who first put

971
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: it out there in the public square. But Cook is

972
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: the guy who actually sold all more books on this

973
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, it seems to me like Cook is

974
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: a bit of a crank after all. It's like hard

975
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: to believe, but apparently so that's kind of the end

976
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: of our theories. Uh yeah, well that's that's not a

977
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: theory about the about that. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's

978
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: kind of the end of at least my researching least

979
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: because the only information we have on this thing is

980
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: from Vikkowski and then through Nick Cook, through Nick Cook Wittskowsky,

981
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't see that Nick Cook has been able to

982
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: uncover anymore about the bell. About the bell he's conjectured

983
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: about about Hans Kambler, but none of that is credible.

984
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Hans Kambler didn't have access, wouldn't have had access to

985
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: the bell. So is where did the bell go? Is

986
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: it's like buried somewhere still in Czechoslovakia? Is it in America?

987
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Is it in the South American country? Well? I think

988
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: it never existed. Personally, Kevin, I think that um Joe

989
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: has been fairly persuasive and that the evidence is strong

990
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: that perhaps it never existed. But you guys know me,

991
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say you could look back in time

992
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: with it, even though I think that's useless technology. I personally,

993
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: the though I don't get it, I am swayed by

994
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: the amount of science that has written about the bell.

995
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: I also don't know that it really existed, but people

996
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: have theorized a lot of stuff, and it seems to

997
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: have some credible science behind it. Which is pretty interesting.

998
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: And I also like the time thing, but I I

999
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: have also seen that it was a time machine, and

1000
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I kind of like that theory, and we're not I

1001
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: don't want to take go into it a whole lot here,

1002
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: But have you heard the theory that time is one

1003
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: giant loaf of bread In every moment it is a slice,

1004
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: That time is a circle? No, No, that it's a

1005
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: loaf of bread, and that you can you can if

1006
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: you go back, you're going back to the previous slice

1007
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: if you look it up, and you actually, I think

1008
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: if you just google time is a loaf of bread

1009
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: or a slice of bread, you can find this theory

1010
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: because it's really kind of heard about, simple and interesting,

1011
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: and I like that idea. I think it's kind of slick.

1012
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: I also don't think the thing is real. Time is

1013
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: just an endless circle. Time is a piece of topes. No,

1014
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: I am making a listener call out name that reference

1015
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: time is an endless circle circle. Okay, yeah, there's another

1016
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: theory that And actually it's credible that time is actually

1017
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: doesn't actually really will it exists, but it's just a

1018
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: way for us to sort out reality. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1019
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: let's just just want to take a second. It's like

1020
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: time essentially. What happens, what's going on is that everything

1021
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: is happening all at once. What happened yesterday, what's happening

1022
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: right now, what's happening to, what's going to happen tomorrow,

1023
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: All happened at the same time. Time is just our

1024
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: way of our mental const mental contiving the world around us,

1025
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: telling you this is another show. Yeah, okay, we will

1026
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: do this, all right, we'll talk about this at the time. Yeah,

1027
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, at the time and the time machine, that's exciting,

1028
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: fun stuff. The thing about it is is like the

1029
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: stuff that's been spun, like you're talking about this, some

1030
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: of the theories that have been spun about how it

1031
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: could have been used to create uranium two thirties three

1032
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: and stuff like that is and and I've seen some

1033
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: very elaborate depictions of the internal setup of this thing

1034
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: and how it all worked. Well, And you sent me

1035
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: something about how in two thousand one somebody claimed to

1036
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: have recreated a scale version of the bell. Yeah, exactly exactly.

1037
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: And it's like zoo died gravitational fields or I don't

1038
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: remember what it was, but yeah, and it's like and

1039
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting because against Sportingberg was the only source of

1040
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: information for this thing. Uh and Sparinberg did exist, but

1041
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: he's been dead since nineteen fifty two. So he describes

1042
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: this thing and describes basically as a box and says, well,

1043
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, it's capable of doing the US and then

1044
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: somebody in two thousand and one, based on that, goes

1045
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: out and creates a replica of it. It's like, really,

1046
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: how does you manage to do that? I could see

1047
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: if you stumbled across some plans and you knew precisely

1048
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: what it was supposed to do, and you had an

1049
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: idea of how it worked and everything, you could do that.

1050
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: But Sparinberg had didn't have a clue if he really existed,

1051
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: he had no clue how it worked or even precisely

1052
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: what it did. I have a new theory. The bell

1053
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: was actually a field shower that works yet in it

1054
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: and it would spiral water up and heat it up

1055
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: and just shower it down you and you have privacy,

1056
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: so that Hitler could It was a mobile shower. It

1057
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: was a mobile spaw. It was the mobile spa. Yeah,

1058
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: we just mistranslated the German. It's badly badly recorded. That's

1059
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: what it is. It's actually Dave Fear's spaw. Yeah, that's

1060
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: my new theory. You know, if you look at it,

1061
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: actually almost looks like a space cap, so like they

1062
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, like like like uh, you know, maybe they

1063
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: were working at space caps. So maybe they were going

1064
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: to put a man in orbit. They were going to

1065
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: replace the Liberty Bell. Yeah, maybe that's what it was.

1066
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: When they finally invaded America. There it is. That would

1067
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: have been actually a cool prank, you know, sneak and sneaking,

1068
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: and one day Americans get up and there's this bell

1069
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: with a swastick on the side of it in Philadelphia.

1070
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's what they were. Yeah,

1071
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: they were totally gonna punk us. Okay, so that's about it.

1072
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: We've talked about this long enough, so if you want

1073
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: to learn more, we'll have some links up on our website,

1074
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: which is as always Thinking Sideways podcast dot com, and

1075
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: if you want to find us on iTunes, we're out

1076
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: there too. If you do find us, please stop to

1077
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: give us a comment and a rating. We would really

1078
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: appreciate that. You can also find us on Stitcher if

1079
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to go through that whole iTunes thing.

1080
00:57:53,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: Also know it's so so much and RS you could

1081
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: find us and like us and friend us on Facebook.

1082
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: We are on Facebook and set us an email at

1083
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Well that's about it.

1084
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: If you guys have any comments about us, like, we

1085
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: would totally love to get an email from you about

1086
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: the Nazi Bell. And if you are the Nazi Bell,

1087
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: please send us an email. Would so you know, I

1088
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to do some deciphering because I

1089
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: don't know if the Nazi Bell has hands. Yeah, it's

1090
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of hard. He's gonna tap, He's gonna use the

1091
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: top of his face. Yeah, we'll have to use Google Translate.

1092
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: If if you're if you're a Nazi war criminal who

1093
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: was involved in this, we would love to love to

1094
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: hear from you. If your skin was melted off by

1095
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: the radiation from the Nazi Bell. Absolutely. So that's about

1096
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: it for this week's so tata everybody talk to you

1097
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: next week. Guys. I'm pretty sure it was aliens, no,

1098
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: no doubt.