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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive producing. Gentlemen, have you recovered
Speaker 1: from all the things that happened at the end of
Speaker 1: the week, all those trades of the activity. John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: my good buddy, Are good buddy? Making a lot of moves?
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns no jumping around the short answers, no about
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman and released things like that a lot and
Speaker 1: what and we're just getting starts in domin Conzuo, domi
Speaker 1: con sue. How much money was that, Dave? How much
Speaker 1: dead monime was that? Twenty two million? That's that the
Speaker 1: Internet tells me twenty two million and dead cap on
Speaker 1: a player. Think about that? Those you know now if
Speaker 1: you're if you're a Cowboy fan, and we've all we've
Speaker 1: all been dealing with that right now, we've all been
Speaker 1: dealing with the Oh, that's why you want to talk
Speaker 1: about suit and tell everybody to back up off you. No,
Speaker 1: I you know what I just want. I just want
Speaker 1: to remind everybody. Let me draft. That's why we do
Speaker 1: the draft. Let me draft. You know, I got ten picks,
Speaker 1: Let me draft. Let me give give me a chance,
Speaker 1: you know, And you know what, I'm gonna use those
Speaker 1: ten picks, and I might I might end up with
Speaker 1: six guys. I might name was seven guys if you're lucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying guys that I want. Got I mean,
Speaker 1: and I understand DOMI kin soon as Time was a
Speaker 1: great player. I get it. Oh he's still a great player.
Speaker 1: That's not the question ye expense of than he's worth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what you get into that, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what the giants get into. And I tweeted that, yes
Speaker 1: about Olivier Vernon, I think they're happy given him eighty
Speaker 1: million dollars now, but don't you think there's a middle
Speaker 1: ground between giving somebody one hundred million dollars and making Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying expectations. You know, everybody goes out cheerleads
Speaker 1: these huge moves if you're just a little bit smarter.
Speaker 1: I'll give the Eagles credit. They were a little bit
Speaker 1: smarter than everybody last year with their moves worked out
Speaker 1: good for him. The women's a seven and nine team
Speaker 1: that hasn't been drafting very well. Yeah, that ten of
Speaker 1: their twenty two starters were signing free agency or trades,
Speaker 1: I give you credit for that. The winner of the
Speaker 1: off season is rarely the winner of the regular season,
Speaker 1: that's right. But the postseason, Yeah, you could argue that
Speaker 1: the Eagles were both last year, just saying you could
Speaker 1: make that in hindsight, Well, sure, but they made I'm
Speaker 1: saying like, once the offseason happens, we won't be you know,
Speaker 1: whoever wins this year's offseason, they probably won't win in
Speaker 1: the regular season. You're okay with what Cleveland's done. I
Speaker 1: love what Cleveland's doing. St Yeah, I think giving up
Speaker 1: a third sixty five for Tyrod Taylor's a little higher
Speaker 1: than maybe most expected. But when plenty of other teams
Speaker 1: were making calls and making offers, that's what you have
Speaker 1: to do, which Yeah, And for the record, I agree
Speaker 1: with you for the most part about what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And I get just as frustrated as anybody about the
Speaker 1: calls to sign people to one hundred million dollar contracts
Speaker 1: or sixty million dollar contracts. But I do think there
Speaker 1: is a middle ground and the Browns. The one move
Speaker 1: really stood out to me that the Browns pulled off
Speaker 1: during that entire snowstorm of trades where I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing you should be trying to do.
Speaker 1: And it was the Danny Shelton deal. They gave up
Speaker 1: a third and gain a fifth and send Danny Shelton
Speaker 1: to New England and New England gets you know, they
Speaker 1: get I'm sorry, sorry, excuse me. New England gave up
Speaker 1: a third. Overall, Yeah, they don't see him in their
Speaker 1: future plans. He hasn't lived up to it. He goes
Speaker 1: to New England and can play on a more talented
Speaker 1: roster and have a chance to make an impact. The
Speaker 1: Browns gets something for him, and it's a lot I mean,
Speaker 1: different sort of player, but it reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of the Timmy Jernigan deal that the Eagles made last
Speaker 1: year scheme is a big part of it too. They
Speaker 1: drafted him to be the nose in their three four
Speaker 1: and now they're running a four to three. He's not
Speaker 1: a factor and yeah, and he's not. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: those three technique trades. He's also going into the final
Speaker 1: year of his deal. Yeah, so I mean he could
Speaker 1: play the one and be a one down player, maybe
Speaker 1: a two down player. But that's why are you going
Speaker 1: to pay a guy in the final year of his
Speaker 1: deal that kind of money when you could trade him
Speaker 1: throwing a fifth round regain a third next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great move by Dorsey. I would consider doing
Speaker 1: that deal. And I get maybe he doesn't fit the
Speaker 1: scheme here, but upgrading, you know, you talk about upgrading
Speaker 1: the talent level at one technique. Maybe having a guy
Speaker 1: that can do that free up people like Malie Collins
Speaker 1: and David Irving to rush the passer. I'd at least
Speaker 1: consider it. That's the type of thing I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I'm not out looking to sign people to eighty million
Speaker 1: dollar deals, but they are creative ways you can upgrade
Speaker 1: the talent on your ros. So the route you would
Speaker 1: go if I'm listening to you correctly, you would have
Speaker 1: done the Shelton deal for eighty one? Would you have
Speaker 1: done that? Would you have done the Shelton deal for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at eighty one? If I get a fifth
Speaker 1: back in return? Sure, because we've been sitting here talking
Speaker 1: about how they needed defensive tackle. Anyway, I would, just
Speaker 1: because I've Danny Shelton's not a very good player. He's
Speaker 1: an okay player, and I don't know I want more
Speaker 1: for Plus the fact that he's in a one year deal.
Speaker 1: I'm not picking up his fifth year option. I doubt
Speaker 1: the Patriots will maybe maybe who knows. For a one
Speaker 1: year rental, I'm not giving up a third. But I
Speaker 1: get where you're coming from. Would would you let me
Speaker 1: ask you this? And I'm not supposed to talk about
Speaker 1: that guy and that's Sky and Seattle schle We've talked
Speaker 1: about him enough anyway. Okay, but that's I'm saying eighty one?
Speaker 1: Would you give a one for the rental? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're just talking about the level of player. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: And I'm really I'm mainly using Shelton as an example
Speaker 1: because that's who got traded over the weekend. But to
Speaker 1: your point, you got ten picks. Yeah, they're not all
Speaker 1: going to make the team, so you don't need to
Speaker 1: clutch them that type. Well, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna pick ten players. I know that.
Speaker 1: But with the with the with what you see in
Speaker 1: this draft, you're just you're you're are you like me,
Speaker 1: am I being over excited about drafting guys? No, drafting
Speaker 1: is wholesale. Free agency's retail. Yeah, you know you are drafting,
Speaker 1: you get players for a low dollar amount. You're getting
Speaker 1: guys that you can control. With free agency, you're bidding,
Speaker 1: you're throwing money out there, and you're you're over paying guys.
Speaker 1: And free agency a lot of people think that it's
Speaker 1: a reward for what they've done. No, free agency is
Speaker 1: you're paying for what they're going to do. And that's
Speaker 1: the hardest thing in football is to forecast what twenty
Speaker 1: eight year old guys are going to do for four
Speaker 1: years into their thirties. And so it's it's just a
Speaker 1: tough thing to do in free agency. So if you
Speaker 1: can avoid it, and most of the good teams they
Speaker 1: avoid the big money deals they resigned their own, but
Speaker 1: then they you know, maybe they might make a splash
Speaker 1: here or there, But for the most part they avoid
Speaker 1: those big money deals, which you know, just for the record,
Speaker 1: that's fine with me and that I don't expect the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to get into any crazy bidding wars, nor do
Speaker 1: I think they should. But I do think there are
Speaker 1: creative and aggressive steps you can take to improve your team,
Speaker 1: and free agency haven't hasn't even opened, and we've seen that.
Speaker 1: And honestly, with the exception of maybe giving up Pick
Speaker 1: sixty five for Tyrod Taylor, I don't think any of
Speaker 1: these prices have been outrageous. I mean, Jervis Landry was
Speaker 1: cost a fourth and a seventh. Richard Sherman's deal is
Speaker 1: so incentive, Lad and it's ridiculous, which I never understood.
Speaker 1: Why why are you clamoring for Richard Sherman to come
Speaker 1: to Dallas? That doesn't make sense to me, but should
Speaker 1: have gone to visit more teams, Richard Sherman. That's actually
Speaker 1: not to plug somebody else's work. But Peter King had
Speaker 1: a really good story today about how you know he
Speaker 1: met with them and he kind of you know, he
Speaker 1: knew his families there well, not only but Amford kid,
Speaker 1: he's straight up siding he was like, if I leave
Speaker 1: the office, if I leave this office, the Niners probably
Speaker 1: pull at least a couple of the things in this
Speaker 1: deal off the table, and maybe I don't get it
Speaker 1: back where it was, and I don't know what anybody else.
Speaker 1: So it's a tricky it's a tricky thing. But it's
Speaker 1: fascinating to see the steps teams are taking to improve
Speaker 1: their team short of just handing out massive contracts. I mean,
Speaker 1: this feels like a new age. You saw it a
Speaker 1: little bit last year, but the amount of trades and
Speaker 1: more willingness to use picks to improve your team, I
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting, and I think it's a very
Speaker 1: creative way to improve your roster without giving up your
Speaker 1: real draft capital. I mean, did a single first round
Speaker 1: pick change hands this weekend? No? No, yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's interesting. You need
Speaker 1: Minnesota to sign that quarterback, don't you. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of teams are hoping because if you talk about going
Speaker 1: up this the top of this draft is going to
Speaker 1: be crazy. Yeah. If Cousins signs at Minnesota, the ripple
Speaker 1: effect that I'll have in the top five of this
Speaker 1: draft is going to be there's going to be an
Speaker 1: impact because Yeah, I tweeted this over the weekend and
Speaker 1: a lot of dielog with a lot of people about it,
Speaker 1: and it's if Cousins goes to Minnesota, then you're looking
Speaker 1: at Denver and New York Jets, two quarterback desper teams.
Speaker 1: Absolutely fIF and sixth good. Jets are really desperate. Two
Speaker 1: absolutely good chance they trade up into the top three
Speaker 1: to get their quarterback. And if that happens, you know,
Speaker 1: because if you're the Jets, you're trying to get a
Speaker 1: head of Denver. Buffalo with twenty one and twenty two,
Speaker 1: they're just traded Tyrod Taylor. They're looking to trade up
Speaker 1: for their quarterback. It's fifteen eighty on the points if
Speaker 1: you want to go. If you're Buffalo, you've got fifteen
Speaker 1: eighty sitting there at twenty one and twenty two. That
Speaker 1: gets you to Tampa at seven. It might not be enough.
Speaker 1: May have thrown a second to get higher. Yeah, Cleveland
Speaker 1: them getting Tyrod Taylor tells me they're going quarterback at one.
Speaker 1: I know that's contrary to when a lot of people believe,
Speaker 1: but you're saying that's what I believe. He's the bridge
Speaker 1: to whoever, they whatever quarterback they like the best at one, two,
Speaker 1: and three. If I'm the Browns, if I'm some of
Speaker 1: these other teams, I'm hoping we see Cousins of Minnesota
Speaker 1: because that means good chance Denver, New York Jets, whoever
Speaker 1: trade up to the Giants number two, who we talked
Speaker 1: about this before, they need some more draft picks. Getleman
Speaker 1: wants to play around with some more draft picks unless
Speaker 1: they've fall in love with a Saquon Barkley. Yeah, Giants.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go back and talk about what the Giants did.
Speaker 1: They made a trade for alec ogletreet line back from
Speaker 1: the Rams. It feels like a lifetime ago. That cost
Speaker 1: him a four and a six. That leaves the Giants
Speaker 1: with five picks in the in the draft. I just
Speaker 1: don't see Gettleman's He's a scouted heart, he wants picks,
Speaker 1: and if he wants picks, don't needs to move back
Speaker 1: to the fifth or sixth pick. Sure you're not bailing.
Speaker 1: I mean you're still gonna get a really good player
Speaker 1: after five or six. Who's likely to bail? First? Guys,
Speaker 1: Jets are assuming the Giants are Colts Bible bail first,
Speaker 1: It just comes down to giants. Do the Giants fall
Speaker 1: in love with a player? You know? Did they fall
Speaker 1: in love with one of these quarterbacks to be the future?
Speaker 1: Did they fall in love with Saquon Barkley? Do they
Speaker 1: fall in love Bradley? Chup? Is there a player? I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised at that, but sure throw them in there.
Speaker 1: It just seems like something Gettleman would want to do.
Speaker 1: What take a lineman, no, trade out of that pick
Speaker 1: and get picks like, oh no, but That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Which which one of those guys, those general managers, Gettleman
Speaker 1: or I think they both like our guy, our guy
Speaker 1: bail it. You know, maybe they both came bails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, maybe it's very possible that both they both
Speaker 1: have both trades happen because you look at again, Arizona
Speaker 1: at fifteen and Buffalo at twenty one and twenty two.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that the Jets trade up to two,
Speaker 1: which I don't know the whole New York, New York
Speaker 1: dynamics they would do that trade. But let's just hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Say they do that at number and you're Denver at five.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden quarterbacks go one two, Kirk, you
Speaker 1: don't have Kirk cousins. Maybe you signed case Keenum and
Speaker 1: you know that's your short gap, short term option. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you going to sit there in five and hope
Speaker 1: your quarterback falls to you? Or do you need to
Speaker 1: go up to three and to prevent a Buffalo, to
Speaker 1: prevent an Arizona or another team to trade up and
Speaker 1: get that quarterback. If you're Denver, I'm not gonna just
Speaker 1: cross my fingers the quarterback falls to what if Alan's
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Very true, possible. If Alan's the quarterback, do
Speaker 1: they just sit? If that's no, if that's your guy,
Speaker 1: if that's their guy, If that's your guy, you go
Speaker 1: get them. Okay. I think it's like your attitude. By
Speaker 1: the way, it's interesting to uh, you know, it's almost
Speaker 1: like a foregone conclusion. People think that Buffalo is going
Speaker 1: to use twenty one, twenty two, and now sixty five
Speaker 1: to go get their quarterback, but might have to getting
Speaker 1: rid of basically all your impact picks in one draft
Speaker 1: to take a chance on a guy. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: a playoff team last year. Yeah, I know, you you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a good point. Well, it's got That's
Speaker 1: where it is. That's where I sit there, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: let everybody else go crazy in the top ten and
Speaker 1: let Lamar Jackson fall to me at at least like eighteen,
Speaker 1: instead of me having to jump up to like what
Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson goes twelve or you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just these quarterbacks. That's what make this draft, I think,
Speaker 1: is it's funny because I think this is the weakest
Speaker 1: first round I've ever covered, at least the weakest one
Speaker 1: since probably twenty thirteen. Yeah, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: the most interesting. See, I'm sitting there. If I'm the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm going up. Yeah, I'm going up. Let's do it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and yeah, let's let's let's let's
Speaker 1: play in this game. Let's go you know, I mean exactly,
Speaker 1: let's let's see what's happening up there. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in the middle of this, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I'm gonna get in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, thinking that maybe somebody, somebody else might
Speaker 1: be there that somebody wants again. You know, you could,
Speaker 1: but you got ten picks. I mean, you've given up
Speaker 1: on free agency in a way. You've allowed guys to
Speaker 1: walk last year to give you the picks necessary to
Speaker 1: go move around and get some players. We've all kind
Speaker 1: of talked about some of these guys. We've talked about receiver,
Speaker 1: We've talked about safety, we've talked about defensive lineman, talked
Speaker 1: about line ackers. What if, in fact, you're sitting there
Speaker 1: at you know you and you you find a way,
Speaker 1: you find a way to get to Miami at eleven
Speaker 1: or anybody, Well, no, no no, no, no no, you you go
Speaker 1: up to get put a name one single player. You're
Speaker 1: not going up for anybody. Well, you gave me fifty
Speaker 1: fifty on Ridley to be there at nineteen. Okay, what
Speaker 1: if you do something with Dez Bryant. What if all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that what have a sudden the meeting
Speaker 1: all that doesn't go well, then he just said they say,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna move on. You better go get
Speaker 1: a receiver, right, bring you up some money? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if if des isn't on this team, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm not I'm just I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just putting it out there though, that you
Speaker 1: really like Ridley. I like Ridley. I think you like Ridley.
Speaker 1: It Stephen Jones told us that the combine. You know,
Speaker 1: if if they don't get Hitchings between Hitchins and Wilbur,
Speaker 1: they need two linebackers. So I am if I'm going up,
Speaker 1: I love Ridley. I do love Ridley. But if I'm
Speaker 1: going up, I'm looking at James and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith. Those are the two guys I'm looking. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, that's where I'm going up. To finish that,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, if they let
Speaker 1: go of Dads, they would add a receiver and free
Speaker 1: agency and still draft one. I think that's my that
Speaker 1: makes sense. But those are the two talents that I
Speaker 1: would really be willing to You could maybe throw Edmonds
Speaker 1: in there, but I kind of get a vibe like
Speaker 1: maybe they don't love they I don't know that they
Speaker 1: would do that for Edmonds. That's just a guess on
Speaker 1: my part. Yeah, Edmonds maybe the segment. He kind of
Speaker 1: fits into what I mean, what they're trying to do linebacker,
Speaker 1: aren't he It's the appeal of Edmonds is he can
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Yeah, he could play any linebacker position.
Speaker 1: The only thing is again Virginia check Edmonds, who were talking.
Speaker 1: He's nineteen years old and right you're drafting him for
Speaker 1: what he's going to be down the road, not for
Speaker 1: what he is right now. I mean, he's not a
Speaker 1: great player right now. He isn't. Yeah, he's a good
Speaker 1: player right now. He's okay, but he still has plenty
Speaker 1: of room where he needs to get better. Long arms,
Speaker 1: has no idea to use him Yeah, still you know,
Speaker 1: figuring out how to key and diagnose. I mean, he
Speaker 1: does a lot of things well, but you're rafting him
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen for what he's going to be
Speaker 1: down the road, and I'm not sure that fits this
Speaker 1: team what they need right now. And you don't want
Speaker 1: to be too short sighted, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you want to win it in this upcoming season and
Speaker 1: you don't want to necessarily put all your chips on
Speaker 1: a guy that you're player based on potential. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: who else? Okay, just what you're talking about then? Real quick?
Speaker 1: Who else in the top fifteen are you talking about
Speaker 1: like that? Just James and Roquan Smith exactly, Hughes, No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: What players are you talking about that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a project, Brian. He doesn't how how to use
Speaker 1: his hands. He doesn't, you know, give me some of
Speaker 1: Marcus da Davenport. Yeah, Marcus Davenport and Tremainde Edmunds are
Speaker 1: the two that have great potential. Josh Allen. That's why
Speaker 1: you consider him top fifteen. But there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a there's bus a bigger bus factor there because
Speaker 1: it's more based on potential than anything else. So you
Speaker 1: don't want me to go get that receiver, then it
Speaker 1: fifteen at eleven or I don't mean I don't believe
Speaker 1: you have to. Yeah, I'd be shocked if you have
Speaker 1: to go up. I've been driving that Kelvin Ridley bus.
Speaker 1: Oh you have. But I'm not trading up to eleven
Speaker 1: to get him just because I well, first of all,
Speaker 1: he's not that high on my draft board, and fifteen.
Speaker 1: I would consider giving up a third to go to
Speaker 1: fifteen to get him. I would consider it. I'm not
Speaker 1: forfeiting a pick to get a receiver. Wait a minute, Dave,
Speaker 1: we got ten of them. But still those those first
Speaker 1: three rounds specifically are so big. I love them. So
Speaker 1: we don't play in free agency. We don't The thing that.
Speaker 1: Why can't we take those picks and go get guys?
Speaker 1: Why can't you get a receiver somewhere else in the draft?
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think it's fifty fifty. He's there
Speaker 1: at nineteen and so that makes me think you're gonna
Speaker 1: sit there. It sound like I'm gonna sit Yeah. If
Speaker 1: I'm trading up, it's for a guy that I know,
Speaker 1: beyond a shadow of a doubt, won't last to my pick. Right,
Speaker 1: And I don't why we keep going back to a
Speaker 1: rope and ask you this same You feel like Edmonds
Speaker 1: with all the things you said about him, will last
Speaker 1: to nineteen. No, the potential is too great. I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll fall off, which that's why that's why I
Speaker 1: threw him in the conversation in the first place. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how they feel about him. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm taking these picks. I'm going for I'm going for something.
Speaker 1: All these names we talked about, I'm gonna go get
Speaker 1: me somebody. I'm gonna go get me something. He helped
Speaker 1: his football today. Who do you want the most? I
Speaker 1: want one name? Smith? All right? Yeah, I want Smith.
Speaker 1: Are we not thinking of somebody that fits this profile?
Speaker 1: Other than the three we've already thrown out, maybe four
Speaker 1: if you include Ridley at trade up option. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think they I mean they don't need a corner.
Speaker 1: I mean, Denzel Ward's Austin, but I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Everybody thinks his team needs corners. I
Speaker 1: don't think it does. That's that's the Sherman talk never
Speaker 1: made sense to me. I was like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: any of the guys same, Tremaine Johnson, I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get me. What about what about Minca Fitzpatrick falls
Speaker 1: a little bit? If he's there at nine playm at safety? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've I've got him listed as I've I think I've
Speaker 1: got him on my board. Is that one? No, I've
Speaker 1: actually got as a corner. My bad, I'm as a corner. Two.
Speaker 1: You've been telling me for like three weeks you think
Speaker 1: he's going forward to Cleveland. So okay, And but let's
Speaker 1: say these quarterbacks they mess up the top. You know,
Speaker 1: three picks Chubb is there for the Browns of four.
Speaker 1: I think that's the direction doors he would go. You
Speaker 1: take the pass rusher. All of a sudden, you have
Speaker 1: a situation where Minka Fitzpatrick. You know, he could slip
Speaker 1: a little bit if he's there. Not to mention, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a complete surprise if Derwin James goes ahead
Speaker 1: of Minka. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't at all. They're
Speaker 1: not They're different players, they serve different roles. But it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me anybody at all. So if Minka's there
Speaker 1: at say just the ninth pick, forty nine ers, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a possible deal. I like that. I've just
Speaker 1: never thought about him falling that much. Well, there's your
Speaker 1: new name now you're talking. Yeah, No, that's good. That's good,
Speaker 1: good analogy. Right, way to go, Dane, Yeah, no, that's good.
Speaker 1: Something else to watch, talk about making deals and things
Speaker 1: like that. If the Browns do go Chub, you call
Speaker 1: the Browns to see if Manuagba is available. You thought
Speaker 1: about him? Yeah, he playing pretty well for them. He
Speaker 1: played okay, but he got hurt last year. And John
Speaker 1: Brown's expert right here, John Dorsey didn't draft him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have no idea how John Dorsey fels always trying
Speaker 1: to draft him. Yeah, they did. It cracks me up.
Speaker 1: How like good slash decent players suddenly become bad when
Speaker 1: they weren't drafted by the people in charge, Like they're
Speaker 1: just like, ah, get rid of them. The thing is
Speaker 1: we have that's why there's new general managers there. I
Speaker 1: know he might not have liked Sure as a player. Sure,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that. It seems counterproductive to
Speaker 1: like add Chubb to Miles Garrett and then you've got
Speaker 1: this great third pass rusher and you're just like, get
Speaker 1: rid of him. But if they if you can get
Speaker 1: something of value, if they were interested in doing that,
Speaker 1: that would be awfully interesting. I'm saying, if they do
Speaker 1: go Chub, that's a call on making sure to see
Speaker 1: what it would take. Sure I would. I would actually
Speaker 1: call him before the draft. Oh sure, Yeah, I'd call
Speaker 1: him before the draft and say, listen to hey, if
Speaker 1: you if you draft, if you somehow draft a defensive
Speaker 1: end high at four, what do you want for uh?
Speaker 1: What do you want for him? A defensive end high
Speaker 1: at four? Yeah? Like yeah, so you mean, yeah, say that,
Speaker 1: but there's only one it would be I know exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't have to mention the name. You just kind
Speaker 1: of throw it out there, gotcha. Yeah, it's football. Football
Speaker 1: people like to say that like it like they could
Speaker 1: say Zeke, he could say Zeke Elliot, but like, how
Speaker 1: about that runner? Like it's you can't just be like,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke's pretty good. It's like that runner is
Speaker 1: pretty good? Set you on fast, the Penn State runner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that Penn State runner? Yeah? That's exactly how
Speaker 1: you h That's exactly how I talk. If somebody called
Speaker 1: me and said that, I'd be like, yeah, Bradley Chubb,
Speaker 1: he's the only defensive end that's feasible in that spot.
Speaker 1: And you're like, no, no, but the NC State Uh,
Speaker 1: the rusher, Yeah, all right, the sack Man. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I've got everybody on board about going up in this
Speaker 1: draft if we could. You gotta keep an open mind.
Speaker 1: I think you have to keep a really big open
Speaker 1: mind because if you're not going to play in free agency, yep,
Speaker 1: you know to the extent, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: got ten picks, let me figure out ways to work
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Speaker 1: I just want to thank everybody out there who's hanging
Speaker 1: out with us on a periscope live today. We really
Speaker 1: do appreciate that. I love to go back and watch
Speaker 1: the comments that are made, you know, the fans kind
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Speaker 1: We do appreciate that interaction. Maybe I can grab a
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Speaker 1: forth there, David Helmet, Thanks Brian brought us kind of
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were just talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: whether you trade up, whether you wait players coming off
Speaker 1: the board. A couple of questions about this. This one's
Speaker 1: from Daniel, which he wants to know you're and we've
Speaker 1: talked about being wiped out before, but a specific situation
Speaker 1: where it's really like a worst case scenario wiped out
Speaker 1: and the two players he used as examples, or you
Speaker 1: know what if you're wiped out and the best two
Speaker 1: players on your board or Darius Guisson, Lamar Jackson, just
Speaker 1: players you don't need and don't want to pick, and
Speaker 1: I'm hopefully trading out right. Sure, for someone that wants
Speaker 1: one of those two players specific would you take too
Speaker 1: if you had to draft one between the other? Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. There you go. That's kind of a that's
Speaker 1: kind of a big picture pick right there. If you
Speaker 1: did it, wouldn't it mean you have a little bit competition.
Speaker 1: You have a guy that's probably a pretty highly He's
Speaker 1: obviously on your board in a good position. Nobody loves
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott more than I do. But if he if
Speaker 1: it fell that way, and I mean if he fell there,
Speaker 1: I feel like you could get out of the pick
Speaker 1: and trade. But if if for some reason you couldn't,
Speaker 1: I would just say whatever, you're going to do this
Speaker 1: and builds your wide receiver need right, yeah, wow, hush
Speaker 1: your mouth. You can't play two quarterbacks at once. You
Speaker 1: just you let the kid, let him grow. You You
Speaker 1: put the one that's on a five year deal behind
Speaker 1: the one that's got two years left on his contract
Speaker 1: and make moves accordingly. I'd put them on the field,
Speaker 1: find them ways to get on the field somehow somewhere.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, now that what we
Speaker 1: did from the first segment that we had, are you
Speaker 1: going to let yourself be wiped out. Well, let myself
Speaker 1: and I appreciate Daniel's question too. I like the spirit
Speaker 1: of it, but in the first round, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let myself be wiped out. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: genuinely be wiped out. Yeah, you'll, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: it's you know, plan F. You're gonna have a backup plan.
Speaker 1: There will be a player there that you feel fine
Speaker 1: about drafting. Sure they did with Taco last year. We didn't,
Speaker 1: but that was a twenty eight at nineteen. Yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: you feel pretty good about, like one of your best
Speaker 1: second round grades or one of your final remaining first
Speaker 1: round grades should be there. I mean that's just common sense. So,
Speaker 1: and especially with you, imagine at least five, if not six,
Speaker 1: or seven players you don't want will go off the
Speaker 1: board between the quarterbacks and Barkley. So that's helping you too.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you can genuinely be wiped out.
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't stop me from trying to trade up
Speaker 1: if it fell the way I wanted it, like a
Speaker 1: guy like DJ Moore, Like I'd be shocked he went
Speaker 1: ahead of nineteen, But but you got him on your
Speaker 1: ally third on your board. But if we get wiped out,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have DJ more than I like Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, but the two names he gave, the
Speaker 1: two names he gave, I think we got the right guy. Jackson, Yeah, Jackson.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just common in that scenario. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they should draft him, but that would just be
Speaker 1: common sense. You get a quarterback on a five year deal.
Speaker 1: Who I mean, you can put him on the field
Speaker 1: in packages, you could put him, you could steer him.
Speaker 1: If something happens to Dak, we might be doing the
Speaker 1: draft show next year talking about a quarterback. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: the counter argument to that is, Dak Prescott goes out
Speaker 1: and has a Pro Bowl season this year. You have options. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say, now you have a bargaining chip, absolutely,
Speaker 1: big time bargaining chip there you go for Dak when
Speaker 1: you try to resign him, as well as what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do with Lamar. I mean with Dak, you have options. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely So if given those two options, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: right pick. Burke wants to know, take a guess. We
Speaker 1: talked about this in the first segment too. He said,
Speaker 1: how many of their how many of the Cowboys ten
Speaker 1: picks do you think they'll still have when the draft starts?
Speaker 1: And how many do you think they'll have used when
Speaker 1: it's over? So he said, you know, you think they'll
Speaker 1: do any deals before the draft or how many deals
Speaker 1: do you think they'll do during the draft? Interesting? I
Speaker 1: think that they'll go I don't. I think they'll start
Speaker 1: the draft with the ten and then when they get
Speaker 1: on and then when when the draft starts, then the
Speaker 1: phones will start. I know they're gonna lay chum in
Speaker 1: the water. I know they're gonna lay some chum in
Speaker 1: the water for before this thing starts. But I don't
Speaker 1: see them doing a deal where there's going out and
Speaker 1: giving a fourth round pick for somebody Right now, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's I think it's gonna be more
Speaker 1: about Okay, I need to get to I need to
Speaker 1: get to eleven. I need to get to fifteen. I
Speaker 1: need to get to you know, sixteen. I need. I
Speaker 1: need to get somewhere that that's gonna happen. That's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: As the draft roles, we're gonna be talking about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here in the room and the next
Speaker 1: thing I know, I'm gonna look up over here, over
Speaker 1: across from Dan as he's explained something, and then I'm
Speaker 1: look down and see Dallas is now on the clock,
Speaker 1: and that's when we'll know. Yeah, but I think they
Speaker 1: start with ten and as the days wears, as a
Speaker 1: day wears on the three days, they're gonna move when
Speaker 1: they can move well. And yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun to think about the first and
Speaker 1: second round, but don't throw out the possibility of you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get to pick one forty five
Speaker 1: instead of one seventy one or whatever. Right, random guess
Speaker 1: how many players are they coming away with undrafted? Eight?
Speaker 1: I think eight would be the number seven seven, seven
Speaker 1: or hand that's seven was my first thought. Maybe I
Speaker 1: see what you're seeing with eight. I bet that what
Speaker 1: I bet they do two trades, one in the first
Speaker 1: two days and no one in the first day, one
Speaker 1: one in the first three rounds, and one on day three.
Speaker 1: That would be my guess. I think, sen Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: so yeah, maybe mixed it. Sense Um. This is a
Speaker 1: question that we've talked about before, but I wanted some
Speaker 1: fan perspective on it. Austin, I think like there's a
Speaker 1: subsect of Cowboys fans that want Harold Landry in the mix.
Speaker 1: We've said before, I personally don't see it, knowing what
Speaker 1: we know about what they did last year, but Austin
Speaker 1: wants to know to seeing t J. Watt's success in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: maybe change that line of thinking. I mean, it's would
Speaker 1: Harold Landry be a consideration now where maybe he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been even a year ago. What is TG Watt
Speaker 1: done that you didn't expect? I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, you could argue they didn't expect
Speaker 1: it because otherwise they would have drafted. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Actually, it was brought up in that room.
Speaker 1: It was brought up. Yeah, the one side presented to
Speaker 1: the other and the other side didn't think that they
Speaker 1: wanted a project. That's why the group, the group part
Speaker 1: did say a guy who had six saxes and rookies
Speaker 1: a project though, that's what the That's what the one
Speaker 1: side thought. I know, so I maybe I'll be wrong,
Speaker 1: but like I said this on one of the Combine shows,
Speaker 1: I just I don't look at anything Harold Landry brings
Speaker 1: to the table and think that they would draft him
Speaker 1: if they didn't want Watt, right, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that's a fair assumption. Landry put his hand on the
Speaker 1: ground more often in college, But you're still talking about
Speaker 1: the same type of athlete. Yeah, pen your ears back,
Speaker 1: screamed to the rusher going to have some hiccups versus
Speaker 1: the run a little undersized. Yeah, it doesn't fit the profile. Again,
Speaker 1: we kind of pointed out not too different than the
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence in terms of just you know, measurables. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like that. That's the dimensions they want.
Speaker 1: The position is a really good football player. We're ensuring
Speaker 1: that he'll be the pick, I mean again, and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about him in a way and if he
Speaker 1: goes on it plays like Wat, it will be another
Speaker 1: example the Draft Show kind of leading you down that path.
Speaker 1: That was a good question, though, um our friend of
Speaker 1: the show, Tom, this is a report that's that's out there.
Speaker 1: Um Brian Price resigns exclusive rights free agent. The one
Speaker 1: Tackle looks says, though he's back for twenty eighteen, does
Speaker 1: that change your view of d tackle as a priority
Speaker 1: or really, you know what you would do in that regard? No,
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's plenty of good one
Speaker 1: techniques in this draft. I am not letting Brian Price
Speaker 1: deter me he's not getting one of those guys. He's
Speaker 1: not just shutting shutting down the competition. Oh no, no.
Speaker 1: And if you know, if hey, if the more guys
Speaker 1: you can have the better, let him compete. But there's
Speaker 1: too many good one techniques in this draft to sit
Speaker 1: there and say, Brian part Price is going to make
Speaker 1: me not think about these guys. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a they had exclusive rights, they got it done.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. He's coming off a knee. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so didn't stimond like a guy that was
Speaker 1: sixteen games, you know, appeared in sixteen games last year.
Speaker 1: And sure he's not stopping you from drafting. Not at all, anybody,
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all. I agree with this
Speaker 1: question from b who reminds us that Memphis is Anthony
Speaker 1: Miller feels like the forgotten receiver in this draft right now?
Speaker 1: Do you think that there will be more hype around
Speaker 1: him after his Pro day? He didn't, I mean, he
Speaker 1: didn't do any running at the combine, and he's he
Speaker 1: had the jones fracture in his foot he suffered in
Speaker 1: the bowl game. Uh, he's cleared to work out, so
Speaker 1: you know, health he should be okay the pro days
Speaker 1: not until like April six. Yeah, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: the last pro day. It's like the last two pro days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think the I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of how the draft works. It's, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's social media driven, fan driven, whatever. Guys get
Speaker 1: aren't talked about as much when they're not on the
Speaker 1: forefront of our computer screens or TV screens, but all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, once they are, oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and he gets propped back up. But Anathew Miller, I've
Speaker 1: said this from the start. He's the top senior broade
Speaker 1: receiver in this draft and a guy that you hope
Speaker 1: is there a fifty for you, but not a guarantee
Speaker 1: by any mean. The good thing for him is though
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to work out before the draft,
Speaker 1: and well before the draft, people are sitting down starting
Speaker 1: to set their boards. They'll at least have numbers. How
Speaker 1: many times have we seen guys working out like two days,
Speaker 1: three days, all of a sudden, we don't know who
Speaker 1: is it? Last year that didn't have a time. It
Speaker 1: was somebody that we kept struggling with it. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw you gut Corey Davis. Corey
Speaker 1: Davis him to do. Yeah, I didn't do much, did Coy.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I think I think you're right about Corey.
Speaker 1: We didn't really have a time. It was real late, right,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's like, but we
Speaker 1: still thought enough of the player where you had to
Speaker 1: take him and all that. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: Corey Davis didn't anything really like the substantial. So yeah,
Speaker 1: with that being said, yeah, at least he's going to
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to work out for teams well before
Speaker 1: the draft that they can have an idea real quick.
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, Courtland, Sutton, Equaminius, seeing Brown or they're at
Speaker 1: fifty he had taken I'm taking Miller. I'm gonna rank
Speaker 1: him for you. I'm gonna go Miller, Sutton, Saint Brown.
Speaker 1: That's that's my three foreign five receivers behind Calvin really
Speaker 1: in DJ Moore. So I'm with you, shocking that y'all's
Speaker 1: opinions line up. Yeah, never, he's a better scout than me.
Speaker 1: It really is. There's there's guy, there's guys that there's
Speaker 1: guys I trust doing this, Like serious, I said this
Speaker 1: about Kavanaugh. He Kavanaugh understands receivers for some positions he's
Speaker 1: crazy on, but he understands wide receivers for some reason.
Speaker 1: And I listened to him when he talks about and
Speaker 1: he's driving that Michael Gallop train. He is driving that
Speaker 1: Gallop train. But anyway, that's it's what you got to
Speaker 1: do in a room. That's true. Some guys are really
Speaker 1: good at certain positions, and when they say it, you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, all right, yeah that guy. Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: You feel a little bit better about what you're doing
Speaker 1: when you line up with somebody who knows what the
Speaker 1: hell they're talking about. Talking about receivers who didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to work out for before the draft, you
Speaker 1: just hope Dante Pettis doesn't fall that category this year.
Speaker 1: That Washington he didn't get a chance to work out
Speaker 1: of Washingtons pro day over the weekend. Cowboys met with
Speaker 1: him exclusively after the pro day, So just something to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on there. Dealing with an ankle injury
Speaker 1: wasn't at the Senior Bowl didn't work out, the combine
Speaker 1: didn't work at the Pro Day. You just hope he's
Speaker 1: able to get on the field at some point before
Speaker 1: the draft, because you know, he's an interesting Day two pick.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what thing though, he's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite ones to watch. I loved watching him play at Washington.
Speaker 1: I know, Washingtons kind of get a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some players they've had that look really good on
Speaker 1: tape and then they get in the league and there
Speaker 1: hadn't been as good. But I mean, he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys that when you I mean he was in
Speaker 1: that mix of those second round receivers when when I
Speaker 1: was initially watching the tape. Speaking of forgotten players, Zach
Speaker 1: wants to know about Arkansas guard Frank rag Now where
Speaker 1: you stack him up see a consideration. I was a
Speaker 1: little disappointed when I watched him and I studied him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was expecting better center of guard.
Speaker 1: That's a very legit debate. Yeah, you could argue his
Speaker 1: best tape was a guard. Yeah, I played Alabama. I
Speaker 1: know in that game. I think of watching him at
Speaker 1: Alabama play against Alabama play guard and actually looked a
Speaker 1: little bit better. I kind of I didn't see a
Speaker 1: really good athlete, you know, for in my center. I
Speaker 1: lean my center to be a pretty good athlete if
Speaker 1: I could. It's you know, kind of a close you
Speaker 1: know really, I mean we talked about these the kid
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. You know, they get they get yeah,
Speaker 1: Billy prits, they get real close, and they they're trying
Speaker 1: to kind of control and block and kind of get
Speaker 1: thrown around a little bit, you know right now just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's two up and down. It's just yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: as consistent playing. I mean, I when I first saw him,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, there's gonna be a better he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a better player, he's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: my he's gonna be the top three of my my centers.
Speaker 1: And I really didn't. I mean, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I started I started liking guys a lot better. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you got on me a little bit about
Speaker 1: the kid from UCLA Quisenberry, But I have I have
Speaker 1: like Daniel's Price Quiz and Barry Cole Cole from Michigan
Speaker 1: and then Rag now as my fifth guy. So I yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably play again as I'm saying all
Speaker 1: these negative things about him. He'll play twelve years in
Speaker 1: the league, one of those to be one of those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing pretty about the way he plays, all right,
Speaker 1: But one of the main selling points on him is
Speaker 1: guys great in locker room. He's, you know, the mean
Speaker 1: spirited leader, not afraid to get on teammates. I mean,
Speaker 1: the part of the appeal with rag now and one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think, you know, he has a
Speaker 1: chance to be a top three center in this draft, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree. I expected more when I watched
Speaker 1: this tape. Yeah, that's all I got. That's all you
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Speaker 1: the periscope number skin. Thank you for all that uh God,
Speaker 1: periscope wanted to know, uh wanted to know. Brian her
Speaker 1: Nandi's asked this this. He says, if you had to guess,
Speaker 1: when do you think we'll hear about Scandrick or death?
Speaker 1: Just taking a question off the periscope there for our fans,
Speaker 1: so well, I'll let you answer that question soon one
Speaker 1: way or the other. I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 1: those are the those are the two most commonly referenced
Speaker 1: guys when it comes to you know, maybe you know
Speaker 1: roster moves, releasing them, maybe trying to trade them if
Speaker 1: you can get something for um. I don't you think
Speaker 1: a lot sooner than I mean, this thing is not
Speaker 1: going to drag into free agents in three weeks. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys in recent years have loved to let this stuff
Speaker 1: play out, but I don't I don't think so espe like,
Speaker 1: especially in the case of death. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do you're gonna do something with him, you need
Speaker 1: to do it because you need that money to invest
Speaker 1: in other positions. If you're gonna let go of your
Speaker 1: number one receiver, So you know, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that means today or tomorrow. Or like
Speaker 1: next week. But I think I said this. We did
Speaker 1: the break last week and I said to Derek, I
Speaker 1: think I think those situations will be resolved by the
Speaker 1: end of March. Yeah, at least Dez like one way
Speaker 1: or the other. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna decide
Speaker 1: to keep him or restructure him or let him go,
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. I think it'll be done
Speaker 1: by the end of the month. There you all right? Goodness, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's get into a little tell Me More, David. I'll
Speaker 1: throw it back to you after you take a sip
Speaker 1: of that coffee. I'm gonna be very transparent with y'allum.
Speaker 1: I had I was. I had a long weekend in Austin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with some friends of mine, my buddies getting married, so
Speaker 1: we did a bachelor trip down there. So the grooms
Speaker 1: didn't want to know about tell Me More, guys, No,
Speaker 1: they don't. But I just kind of tell me More
Speaker 1: fell between the cracks while in Austin. But no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right. But I took fans more than
Speaker 1: say I took fan requests for tell me More got you?
Speaker 1: This week got you? So these are coming from fans
Speaker 1: who wanted to know about specific players go ahead rather
Speaker 1: than myself. I was good about the fans. I have
Speaker 1: no problem with the fans. So we're gonna start off.
Speaker 1: But I am actually really interested in this guy. I've
Speaker 1: heard this name a couple of times, the little brother
Speaker 1: of Kevin White, West Virginia safety Kazir White. Tell me more.
Speaker 1: I'n't sure which little brother you're talking about. There's two
Speaker 1: of them in this draft. Yeah, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: little brothers. It's fascinating because all three have taken the
Speaker 1: same path from Lakawana Community College to West Virginia and
Speaker 1: hopefully now that the NFL. But Kaiser is the only
Speaker 1: one that kind of went to defense. So it's Kaiser.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, not Kazir. Sorry, yeah, Kaiser. I think it's
Speaker 1: Kaiser now that, now that I see that, Yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, there we go. I think you like him
Speaker 1: more than I do. I feel like I'm missing something
Speaker 1: on him because I'm not a fan, because you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't like physical players that can't cover. Hey, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though. That's the thing about it is, though,
Speaker 1: you mean, I'm looking right now through my notes. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it. You're right. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say that you're completely right, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that the tackling, the physical part. I thought the
Speaker 1: coverage is I said, you think he lay out to
Speaker 1: make some place, meaning you know that he'll he'll do
Speaker 1: whatever he has to do to make a play. I did.
Speaker 1: And I see where you're talking about this because the
Speaker 1: change of direction was a question for me. And if
Speaker 1: you have a problem with change of direction, generally you
Speaker 1: don't cover very well if you don't have that ability
Speaker 1: to laterally play. But I this is a guy I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys actually are interested in, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: And it's strong safety. Yeah yeah, And again this is
Speaker 1: just whispers you hear down the road. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I just kind of think of him as a physical
Speaker 1: player that'll chase, that'll hit, he can stop his the ball,
Speaker 1: carry his tracks. I'm just looking again at my notes,
Speaker 1: But I mean I saw him making plays through the trash,
Speaker 1: react to the ball again, and the coverage aspect of it.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, because again that the change
Speaker 1: of direction stuff is is is something that it drew
Speaker 1: to my attention. Yeah, that's that's the biggest word because
Speaker 1: he played basically linebacker's Yeah, he was that spur defender.
Speaker 1: Uh played like our Arizona, our Arizona guy. Yeah, k
Speaker 1: dame krukshenk kkschenk. Yeah. I feel like he can actually
Speaker 1: cover and he tested well to shank and cover. No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just worry about him being here. And he's more
Speaker 1: of a tweeterer. He's not a linebacker, and he's I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's really a true strong safety. So
Speaker 1: when he gets stuck in that middle ground, that that's
Speaker 1: what I worry about. So, um, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have him. I gave him a four or five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have I have him the fourth round. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not acting like that. He is gonna his measurables are
Speaker 1: he's roughly at he's six o one seven, he's about
Speaker 1: six two to eighteen. He hadn't worked out yet, so
Speaker 1: he hasn't done anything. Thirty five done the vertical though.
Speaker 1: It's funny with some of these guys when they don't
Speaker 1: work out at the combine, they hire something, usually a
Speaker 1: reason for you're hiding something. It's funny when he did
Speaker 1: the forty, did the straight line stuff, but uh, three cone.
Speaker 1: I'll wait on that. Work on three cone. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: This is a guy I've actually seen with my own eyes,
Speaker 1: but I trust y'all's opinions more than my own. But
Speaker 1: tell me more about Indiana linebacker to Gray's scales, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Dane good playeric productive player in the Big Ten. Uh
Speaker 1: didn't have the senior season. I was hoping he would
Speaker 1: because I really liked what he did as a junior,
Speaker 1: But because he had, his upfield production was more impressive
Speaker 1: than in reverse. And that's kind of my big worry
Speaker 1: with him. Is he we know we could get after
Speaker 1: the quarterback and play down hill. Can he play in reverse?
Speaker 1: Can he you know, cover backs out of the backfield?
Speaker 1: Is he that type of player? I'm not convinced that
Speaker 1: he is. But he had some struggles against Sequon Barkley. Again,
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned that with every you know, Josie Jewel,
Speaker 1: every linebacker. But he's a good player who adds immediate depth.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's a starter, but he's
Speaker 1: at least going to push the starters at some point.
Speaker 1: Watched him play against Penn State Perdue in Michigan State,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was a pretty good tackler, you know,
Speaker 1: but he'll get she struggles when he gets hooked up
Speaker 1: on people too, you know, and that's that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a problem when he you know, he can
Speaker 1: get a little caught out of position. I thought he
Speaker 1: got bounced some too, which bothered me about him though.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see great quickness, you know, and the
Speaker 1: coverage aspect. Again, he's kind of a stiff moving guy
Speaker 1: when you watch him play. So I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: give me a guy if he's going to be a
Speaker 1: tick over six foot two hundred and twenty eight pounds
Speaker 1: or so, give me a guy that's got some some
Speaker 1: of the ability to cover and do things like that.
Speaker 1: But I was kind of feeling like that he was
Speaker 1: more of a down the line guy, day three guy,
Speaker 1: late day three guy, more than a guy that would
Speaker 1: be early in day three. Forty six tackles for loss
Speaker 1: in his career. That's third best in school history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to be the first Indiana linebacker draft since nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Yeah, I know he could find the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no problem about that. But again, there's
Speaker 1: things there's times when you I just didn't see the
Speaker 1: ball would get to the outside, and he was like
Speaker 1: a step slow getting there. Because do you think it's
Speaker 1: being mental or physical physical? I agree because ball awareness
Speaker 1: he Oh no, he could see it right. I agree
Speaker 1: with you that. Yeah. And I saw him over run
Speaker 1: some plays though too, So I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I wasn't as high on him maybe as you were there.
Speaker 1: Oakland corner Sean Smith is another CAP casualty, just signed
Speaker 1: a huge deal like a year or two ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't love up to it. Grin's going in there
Speaker 1: and hacking that thing up. Tell me more about South
Speaker 1: Florida receiver Marquez Valdez Scantling. It's an awesome name. It's
Speaker 1: fun to say. It is he I need. I need
Speaker 1: to go back and do more work on him because
Speaker 1: of what he did at the Combine. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tested really well and was at the Shrine game.
Speaker 1: He was at I know he he turned some heads. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who can give vertical he stretch
Speaker 1: out the field. Uh. Quentin Flowers loved them. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: South Florida. He's your They had another one last year.
Speaker 1: Who was the wide receiver from South Florida last year?
Speaker 1: Was it Rodney? I didn't know what I had for breakfast? Say,
Speaker 1: why do you put me on the spot. He's that's
Speaker 1: kind of similar mold where he's a back end of
Speaker 1: the roster wide receiver, a guy didn't get vertical down
Speaker 1: the field. You hope maybe you can settle into like
Speaker 1: a fourth wide receiver role. Yeah, this is crazy. Crazy
Speaker 1: numbers kids, six four, two hundred and six pounds long
Speaker 1: stride er. Yeah, you're gonna four. The electronic was four
Speaker 1: three seven four four two. So if you take all
Speaker 1: his numbers with the hand held times and you split him,
Speaker 1: he's a four three eight guy. Y'all sound like you're
Speaker 1: describing like great value Bryce Butler, just like Rookie Bright.
Speaker 1: It's crazy again, here's Dane. He's right. He did no
Speaker 1: shuttles or three comp by his own choice. So you're
Speaker 1: kind of wondering, Okay, he just he's a straight That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He's a vertical guy. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that you want down the field, you know, not going
Speaker 1: to help you out as much underneath. Let him stretch
Speaker 1: out the field. You hope that maybe he can grow
Speaker 1: develop into a fourth worde receiver. But the numbers that
Speaker 1: he put up with the combin is gonna make me
Speaker 1: go back. I haven't gone back yet. I need to
Speaker 1: go back to the tape and see anything I'm missing here.
Speaker 1: And I have him right the first time because those
Speaker 1: noose numbers were a little better now a little strange though.
Speaker 1: He's thirty and a half on the vertical, thirty and
Speaker 1: a half, he's got those long strides. But six four guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's lower lower body explosion, not something not so much.
Speaker 1: See those are those are the numbers that all make
Speaker 1: you just kind of go. I mean, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to bag on the guy, but no, we're not. No.
Speaker 1: But but I'm like, how how much more work do
Speaker 1: you need to do? No? Not much. I mean I
Speaker 1: will spend ten minutes just to make sure, Oh, you
Speaker 1: can trust me. When we walk out of this room,
Speaker 1: he'll walk upstairs and that first thing he'll do is
Speaker 1: look at this guy. Probably, but he's I mean, he
Speaker 1: is kind of what I didn't expect in the run
Speaker 1: of for three. I didn't either based on what I
Speaker 1: did not either. So just because of that, I'll go
Speaker 1: back and watch but not not running the three cone,
Speaker 1: not the lower body explosion. Yeah that matches up, because
Speaker 1: again I thought he was a guy a long strider
Speaker 1: get down the field, but I didn't see four three.
Speaker 1: But hey, good for him. We've got some aggy listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing because we've definitely covered our money Watts. He
Speaker 1: was a senior bowl guy. Yeah, but somebody wanted y'all
Speaker 1: to tell him more about our money. I love the
Speaker 1: best line I've heard about a player. When we started
Speaker 1: this process, when we were talking about a Mony Watts,
Speaker 1: Dame Bruger described him as a sometime player. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure we've covered that phrase on this show. It's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. That's what he is. Sometimes he's
Speaker 1: really good and sometimes he's not. Sometimes looks great, sometimes
Speaker 1: looks terrible, and it's just it's hard to get a
Speaker 1: feel for who he is. Who's the real or Money Watts? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you do. You do see him makes some really
Speaker 1: incredible plays, and then you're like other wines pass and
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, but then you're going, then there's other
Speaker 1: wines where you're going, oh, they can't be him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it is him. You know. You's like, oh somebody else, somebody,
Speaker 1: Oh that's somebody else. Yeah, no, no, you do, and
Speaker 1: then you and then you see the towel in the
Speaker 1: short socks and all that, and you go, oh, that
Speaker 1: was him missing tackles, out of position and coverage. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Aggie fans will they'll they'll fight you.
Speaker 1: Someone will fight you about him though. Oh well sure,
Speaker 1: but they but they I'll tell you what, Texas fans
Speaker 1: and Aggie fans have gotten better about their players. They
Speaker 1: used to be Texas fans, and now you talk about Jefferson,
Speaker 1: they they're like, yeah, you got him right. I did
Speaker 1: Austin Radio at the Combine and the guys were like,
Speaker 1: you got him right. Talk to about Texas fans about
Speaker 1: the Shawn Elliott and yeah, play on your hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so much Texas fans. Now, you know what I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna open that cannon.
Speaker 1: Did they fought you on Connor Williams at all? No?
Speaker 1: Because I think everyone's perplexed with Connor Williams, you know,
Speaker 1: because what is he The two and seventeen season was
Speaker 1: just a wash and do you rely on the twos
Speaker 1: and sixteen stuff? Is he better tackles? A better guard? There?
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is a tough one to figure out. And
Speaker 1: I think Texas As are included in that mix trying
Speaker 1: to figure them out. I'll say it. Texas fans are
Speaker 1: delusional when they know their team is good, but they
Speaker 1: know their team's not good right now. And Aggie fans
Speaker 1: are delusional all the time, often than not in my opinion. Sorry, Ken,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in here yet. Yeah, I know you are
Speaker 1: to ask you about the can I ask you? Have
Speaker 1: another one? You can? I ask him one? I got
Speaker 1: another one. But if you'd rather go somewhere else, you
Speaker 1: got u Florida State linebacker Matthew Thomas. I didn't like
Speaker 1: him at all. Okay, let's not talk about moving on
Speaker 1: a talk about the Nebraska The Nebraska corner safety Calu Calu. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I watched him the other day and and I
Speaker 1: looked at shoot and I'm like, man, do you feel
Speaker 1: like you missed some tackles? Oh? Yeah, you miss some tackles,
Speaker 1: There's no question. But man, the guy can cover. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could cover well enough to where I don't know
Speaker 1: if I play him as a one of those like
Speaker 1: press corners or do I play that's safety, you know,
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, you watch him play.
Speaker 1: He's got this. Let's give the full measurement, the full
Speaker 1: name in all that way, well said the last line
Speaker 1: of my report on Calueklue. Overall, Clue will be considered
Speaker 1: a cornerback for press heavy teams, but he also projects
Speaker 1: as a free safety or a big nickel defender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that for yeah, teams that love the press,
Speaker 1: Joshua Calu is a kid's name. Seems that Neska teams
Speaker 1: that love the press, they'll, yeah, they'll look at him
Speaker 1: as a corner, no question, because it was a length
Speaker 1: because he'll go up and be physical with a line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But for teams that aren't strictly pressed man heavy,
Speaker 1: I like him better as the big nickel, a guy
Speaker 1: that can stand up and cover. You don't want him
Speaker 1: necessarily in the box a lot because again an issue
Speaker 1: for sure, but again he also was a corner most
Speaker 1: of his career, moved to safety as a senior. I
Speaker 1: do think he can get better in samara because it's
Speaker 1: not a physicality issue. It's more of a just coming
Speaker 1: to balance and you know, sharpening his angles, and I
Speaker 1: think he can get better in those areas. So it
Speaker 1: just depends on scheme where you're gonna play him, because
Speaker 1: I think he has some skill set you can work with.
Speaker 1: It just depends on the scheme you run a little
Speaker 1: bit of versatility there. Yeah, I don't disagree with you there,
Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean I thought again the coverage
Speaker 1: aspect of it. When when when he played in tight coverage, Oh,
Speaker 1: he was really really good. When he plays safety, he
Speaker 1: plays off the screen. He plays like really deep and
Speaker 1: you're watching a pedal and he pedals really well. He pedals,
Speaker 1: he brags, he you know, all those things you want to.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some safeties that can't do that. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's the corner training with this kid, right, He's
Speaker 1: a corner up until the senior year. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: why he looks so good doing I didn't know the
Speaker 1: total history about him. Yeah. Well, and he had over
Speaker 1: two hunder tackles in his career, so I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he missed two hunder tackles. Two In the tape I watched,
Speaker 1: where are we drafting this guy? I had him in
Speaker 1: with the last with the second fourth round pick, so exactly,
Speaker 1: I gotta I'd say he is he's a fourth round player.
Speaker 1: I just fourth fourth rounds fine for project guy, but
Speaker 1: like gall, it sound like you're talking about a project
Speaker 1: guy and a little bit because he can. Is he
Speaker 1: a project guy when he covers that, I mean when
Speaker 1: he can come like that. But no, he just he
Speaker 1: needs to get better in areas, there's no question. But
Speaker 1: that again, I keep saying tackling, and that was where
Speaker 1: I just I mean I watched two, three, four times
Speaker 1: a game where I went, oh, don't miss that one,
Speaker 1: don't miss it, and he did and so yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't disagree with you about the player.
Speaker 1: I really really don't. Yeah, you doan say anything quick
Speaker 1: about the Thomas kid. I don't want to interrupt someone's uh,
Speaker 1: Matthew Thomas. Matthew Thomas. Yea, he was. He's a big
Speaker 1: five star guy when he came out of high school
Speaker 1: and he's always been a great athlete. Injury troubles, he
Speaker 1: had suspended for a stretch. Uh. He led Florida Staton
Speaker 1: tackles the last two years. But there's there's so much
Speaker 1: inconsistency there. I mean, I'd take a shot on him
Speaker 1: late in the draft. Yeah, I'm not going to draft
Speaker 1: him higher than six or seventh round. Hard he's a
Speaker 1: good looking guy physically he really is at six two
Speaker 1: almost sixty three two and thirty two pounds. The problem
Speaker 1: with it he loses the football. Yeah. A lot of
Speaker 1: times I'm watching playing, I'm like going there, it goes,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not a trade I want in
Speaker 1: my mind. But I mean he is. He's got a burst.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a side tackler. You know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't take guys on square and wrap him up.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit on the side on there. But
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that he did some good things
Speaker 1: as far as blitzer with pressure, cats a ball, skills,
Speaker 1: some change of direction. Better athlete I think than he
Speaker 1: is a player. Final line on my report overall, Thomas
Speaker 1: as a speed and toughness for the NFL, but instincts
Speaker 1: and playmaking skills are absent from his college tape. Well,
Speaker 1: that will close us down for the draft show. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Tommy John's for all you do. So I want to
Speaker 1: thank Dane Burglar, David Hellman, King Garrison, I want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody out there for kind of going along with us.
Speaker 1: Forty five days until the NFL Draft. We'll have another
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