WEBVTT - 222: White Hat's Back On w/ Joe Morton 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.960 This episode was recorded prior to the sag After strike. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.160 Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:30.760 partnership with Higheartradios and Katie Wos. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.959 I wish they would have hot dogs at premieres. I'm 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.400 always like, oh, you know, hot dogs. It just have 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.120 popcorn and so or water. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:47.120 Stak gass hot dog with everyone stresses and fancy ass clothes. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.360 And you're like stuff in your mouth with popcorn. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.680 Oh, I've never eaten so much popcorn in my entire life. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.200 My mouth is so shrended today, and I'm so hungover 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.440 when I'm sick or hungover, and I have a regular 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:05.720 Coca Cola, like this is the most delicious thing the planet. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.240 Especially like a Mexican coke. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:15.080 Yes, yeah, my mouth is watering my kid sometimes if 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.720 it's special and like Mommy and Daddy having cocktails. I 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.400 make him like a mocktail. Oh yeah, and it's like specially. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.839 I make him like ice water. I mean ice ginger ale, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.920 some sprite and then it splash of grenadine and a cherry. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.080 It's like Temple. Yeah, I used to love Shirley Temples. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.479 What origin story of why a Shirley Temple is Temple? 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.160 Can we look this up right? 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:42.559 Idea? 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.520 Look, the drink was named after iconic child actress Shirley Temple. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.000 Legend has it that when she was out to dinner 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.480 at a nice restaurant with her parents and other Hollywood 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.320 types who were all enjoying cocktails, the bartends and made 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.840 her a special alcoholic drink so she could feel fancy too, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.440 which is what I do for my kids. Yeah, I 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.520 feel bad because it has soda in it, and I 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.680 really don't let my kids have soda. So it's like 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.760 once in a while. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.720 Yeah, it's a little treat, a treat. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.560 Yeah, it's a little it's a little treat. Well, today's exciting. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.440 This is a very exciting episode for so many reasons, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.240 you guys. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.160 Like people have no idea, who the fuck is about 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:25.600 to come on? 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.400 Yeah? Who the fuck is about to come on? 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:28.959 A BOS? 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.800 But also it's like my favorite number. We're talking about 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:33.880 episode two two two. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.240 Yeah, since the last episode of season. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.239 Two, last episode of season two, and there was only 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:45.440 one person that we could even remotely like, it was 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.360 so clear who the guests should be for this episode. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.440 It was it was not not a competition, it was 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.120 not not an argument like, there's only one person we 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.120 could bring our gladiators today, am I right? 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:57.320 Gie? 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.440 And we were lucky enough that he said yes, and 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.160 he's here. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.320 He's here today, and you might know him for the 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:10.560 plethora of work of oh my god, of acting performances 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.360 that this person has delivered throughout that. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.400 Can I just rattle off a few of his credits 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.840 right quick and see if people might guess? So he 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.079 made his Broadway debut and hair. He was nominated for 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.359 Tony in nineteen seventy four for Raisin in the Sun. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.640 He was check these credits out, mash Sanford and Son, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.200 what's happening? The brother from another Planet? Who's the boss? 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.320 Justice League? A different world? Speed one and two? And 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.680 most recently, God friended me, Oh my god, he is 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.760 and of course wait wait wait, but of course the 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.880 fucking Terminator to Judgment Date, which is one of the 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.320 best movies. It's better than the original ever. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.280 I mean this actor. When he started coming around, we 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.120 were like, I mean, I think Kerry Washington gets starstruck 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.880 never and I'll never forget him coming to our first 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.720 scandal table read because she was full loor. Yeah, he 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.880 is the one and only people. He is. There is 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.839 no other. He is all scandal. He is our king, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.080 He is the one. He is the only Opa Pope. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:14.440 Y'all. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:24.000 Joe, what hello, Joe Martin? How are you, good man? 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:24.640 How are you? 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:26.359 I'm doing great? 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.560 Jo Morton, Oh my god, thank you so so much 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:31.880 for doing this with us? 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.880 Are you kidd And I would have not What am 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:34.240 I gonna do? 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.520 We just did like the biggest drum roll and g 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.360 was talking through your credits. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.560 First of all, Hi, Hello, we missed you man. It's 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.200 been forever. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.120 It has been forever. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.120 Listen to that voice. It is like voice. I mean, 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.680 if he could just break into a popa pope monologue 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.080 right now, I could the lines that have stuck in 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.320 my head of I am the hell and high Water. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.320 Yes, I would veno you money right now if you 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:08.640 did that. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.120 You couldn't afford it. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.520 I couldn't afford it. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:13.760 I know. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.520 It's like three hundred and fifty bucks. Like strike, y'all, Yeah, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:26.080 we're on strike. Joe has not aged ever, Like, what 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.000 in the actual hell is going on? I don't understand this. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.440 I mean, well, I keep telling everybody I have this 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:33.400 painting in my. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:39.600 As like when I wrote Scandal from ten years ago. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.640 I you know, me and g look very different. You 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.760 look exactly the same every episode. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:54.480 God, no, you have not changed. And the only thing 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.040 different about Yoma was the beard. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.600 Yeah, it's very true, very very true. Wait, Joe, can 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.840 you tell us how in the heck this came to be? 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.920 Because I don't even think I really know this story. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.760 I don't want either here how you got the part, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.799 and also that you were acting with all of us 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.080 for months, I mean not me, I didn't realize need 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.479 to do in Gida neither. But and you knew who 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:25.160 your character was. We know. Tell us how the part happened? 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:25.720 All right? 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.240 So I came out to La. It was a pilot season, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.920 so I was looking for a gig, and I went 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.840 out specifically looking for a very smart bad guy. Since 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.200 most of my career I purposely have been playing good guys. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.560 So I get to California. I opened up my computer 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.640 and I had not yet seen Scandal. I knew about Carrie, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.600 I knew about Scandal, I hadn't seen it. So I 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.320 turned it on, watched the first season and thought, oh 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.920 my god, this is a great show. So I thought 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.279 to call my agent and said listen, could you, you know, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.560 let's get ahold of ABC. Let's see if we can 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.920 get like a you know, a six episode arc or whatever. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.200 Before I made that call, O man, before I. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.200 Made that call, my agents called me and said, ABC 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.560 wants to talk to you about Scandal. What I thought, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.520 Oh my god. All right, so I forget which producer 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.800 was called me on the phone. We started talking about 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.200 the show, and he said, so, what's going to happen 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.320 is if you decide to take this gig, is that 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.480 the very last episode of season two will make it clear, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.200 by the very last lines of that episode that you 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.600 are Carrie's dad. I said, you got, I'm in. He said, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.000 but you cannot tell anybody. You can't tell anyone. You 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.239 can't tell anyone. So, I mean, after I got the gig, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.760 I really thought I was going to just kind of 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.920 end that season. I actually I had actually made plans 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.320 to go back, come back to New York and do 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.320 Romeo and Juliet on Broke. I was supposed to play 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:59.239 Juliet's dad. So we start, you know, shooting the show, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.760 and Carrie used to I'm up to it all the time, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.520 and said, you know, I've never called I mean, I've 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.640 never called my parents and said, you know so and 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:05.440 so was on the show. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.200 He said, You're the first person I've ever done that with. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.000 She said, so, I just hope we have some scenes together. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.400 Oh my god, that is Hilaierus cannot even Carrie knew 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:15.960 carried it no either, No. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.080 Tom knew. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.680 Obviously, Seanda and Betsy knew, but they were the only 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.640 ones who knew. And so at one point Scott and 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.400 I started to become really good friends. And I told 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.600 him about going to Broadway and said, so, when you're done, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.120 you're going to go back to Broadway And said, well, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:31.560 maybe not. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:32.640 I think something. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.640 More interesting has come up. And he said, I said, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.240 but I can't tell you what it is. So and he, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.800 you know, being Scott, didn't pursue you just left it alone. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.439 And of course by the time we got there. But 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.319 the time we got to that last do you remember 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:44.640 the table? 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.319 Oh talk about it all the time. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.760 Carrie doesn't know, and she says, Dad, in my head, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.240 in my memory of it, And of course I don't know. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.520 Did she like jump up and start running around the table, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.480 like what happened? How did everyone errupt? 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.400 I remember all I remembers everybody started screaming. Everybody started screaming. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.160 I don't know that she she may have run around 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.000 the table or maybe given me a hug or whatever. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:07.640 I don't remember. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.920 I really somebody has to have that on tape, right, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.360 I'm sure I'm sure there were several people taping that table. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.720 Read we got to get our hands on somebody. Yeah, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.640 Betsy may may have something on tape. I mean, I'm 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.040 sure we have the footage of the fox read yes, yes, yes, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.880 sag but but yeah, that's that's how that all happened. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.160 Wow. And the first when we first see you all 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:34.600 of season two, like did you ever ask? Like who? 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.840 Because right now we've been recording all the episodes of 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.839 season two and it's always like Joe Morton as mysterious 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:45.120 man credit, like and did you know? 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.360 No? The credit was? I forget what they called me. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.320 I think they oh, well, they probably used. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.520 Out is it Albatros? 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:53.440 No? 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:53.800 Right? 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:54.959 Albatross was somebody else? 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.400 Because all I remember, really, all I did before we 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.000 got to the very end was sit on the bed 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.400 and hand Yeah. If older supposed to Jeff, go kill 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.960 this person, go kill And that's really all I did. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.680 But knowing what was coming. So when we finally got 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.720 to shoot that scene at the end of season two, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.800 we shot it several different ways because neither Carrie or 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.240 I knew what our relationship was. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:19.880 We didn't know. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.800 Whether we were estranged, whether he had been in contact 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:23.319 with one another. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.160 We had no idea what was going on. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.400 And so Tom, who directed that episode, you know, we 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.760 shot different kinds of ways and obviously led it up 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.000 to Tom and Shonda and the editor to figure out 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.440 what this was all about. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.480 That's right. I remember carry being like the one word dad, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.800 Like how many different variations you can be? Like do 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.839 we love each other? Or am I pissed to see him? 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.199 Am I sad to see him? 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:50.920 How long has it been since I've seen him? 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:51.400 All? 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:52.840 Exactly? 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.320 Oh my god. So then we've talked about this, I 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.040 think a number of times on this podcast, but we 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.920 need to talk about it with you, so we I 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.280 don't know, was it the sag After? Where was this 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.400 huge public reading of this thing? 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.520 That was that sag after at that theater? 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.800 And it was the same day that episode was going 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.000 to play, because remember we all sat in the and 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:17.839 we watched it. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.199 Play in New York. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.680 That's great, and I don't know how they did it, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.480 but they managed to keep I guess people were not 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.280 watching it on their phones whatever in the audience. And 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.760 so when we came out to do the phone reading 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.440 and that moment came up at the end of the script, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.120 the audience did exactly what we all. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.040 Did at The audience leaped to its feet, screamed and hollered. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.400 And I remember who screamed and hollered the loudest. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:43.760 Do you remember who that was? 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.960 I think I know was it was it DA or 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.000 the initials DA? 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.400 Absolutely, absolutely absolutely she screamed the lad. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:55.120 She did. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.240 I remember. I remember seeing staff members in the back 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.720 of the theater cheering and coming out to see the 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.240 last little bit of that table read, and they were 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.880 so excited too, and there were people that were working 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.720 there in the theater. It was mayhem. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.200 It was just like collective goosebumps. Right now talking about it, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.760 she says, Dad, the whole audience erupts into screams and 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.640 to their feet, and then we are like screaming back 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.160 at them. And I just remember, like it was just like, yeah, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.120 two minutes, which is a very long time of just 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.280 like screaming and clapping and shock and it was just like, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.400 I don't think anyone everyone I know who's even in 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.400 the audience that night, doesn't forget that moment. It was 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.959 so wild. Wait, have you'd worked with Debbie Allen a 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.280 million times before? Right? 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:52.320 Well we met well, gosh, nineteen seventy three. Well, when 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.600 we first met, she was in Raising. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.000 Yeah, oh that's right, and she was in the chorus, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.720 but she was the understudy for Beneath It. By the 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.440 time we got to New York, she was playing the 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.160 part of beneath It. So we go back that far 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:06.120 nineteen seventy three. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.480 Oh my god, you were nominated for a Tony for 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:10.439 that play, right. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.280 I was, yes, the one, the only Joe Morden. Okay, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.640 so Joe, now we know you're her dad. And the 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.320 part develops how it developed, which is just I mean, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:30.040 top five most amazing written. What a gift an actor 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.119 gets to play a part like this, I mean on television, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:33.760 it's just so wild. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:34.120 Oh. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.400 Absolutely, When you look back at all the seasons, are 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.920 there things that stick out of like favorite scenes or 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.400 favorite lines that you just really looked around and were like, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.320 this is this is a rare thing. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.160 There were so many things, I mean, obviously that first 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.040 episode of season three, which I always call my audition 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.760 because if you remember now, they all at the end 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.040 of season two, all I did was, as I said, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.079 sit on a bench, hand out folders and say go 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.160 kill this person that person. And then suddenly at the 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.280 end of season two she says, you know, I say hello, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.120 and she says hi, Dad, everybody goes crazy. So the 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.839 first episode of season three, I have a two and 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.760 a half page monologue. Oh that's where that no, that's 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.040 where that hell and the high water comes from monologue, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.280 because we continue on we're in the car. We're in 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.560 the car, and we drive to the airport, we get 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.200 out of the car, and that's when I do that 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:28.880 that speech. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.480 So when I got that speech, first of all, I 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.320 was I can't tell you so. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.680 Over the moon about the show and about what she 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.160 had written. I mean, I'd done a lot of television 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.040 by that point, and no one had ever written a. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.040 Two and a half page monologue for me to do. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.280 And then that whole thing we mapped out of walking 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.600 around her and then walking her to the airplane, and 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.160 the Helen high Water comes. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.920 Out and blah blah blah blah blah. It was. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.000 I think, of all the episodes that I did, I'll 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:00.680 never forget that particular. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.160 It was amazing. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.640 There's a point where you get down low, like, you 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.200 get like down under her like sort. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.280 Of well she puts, she gets, she gets sheepish, right, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.640 and and that's what I'm saying. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:15.720 Don't look at me. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.160 Yes, well, let's know it's it's I want to make 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.480 sure you understand exactly. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:21.480 What I'm taking. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:22.840 Guys. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.960 We're getting an acting class right here, right now. Scandal 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.560 got down low, down low. What Joe Morton gets to do? 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.080 I don't know if I Oh my god, you never 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.000 saw the episode, so of course I did. I just don't. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.400 We haven't done season three yet, so we just have 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.360 only rewatched seasons one and two. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.200 The only reason I remembering my memory is because I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.600 was watching the last episode again for like the fifth time, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.400 and then episode the first episode of season three came 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.960 on and I got so into it I couldn't turn 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.520 it off. And then I saw that scene. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.440 Brilliant this, like, I think, what was so cool about 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:03.160 Papa Pope? First of all, for everyone listening, monologues don't exist. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:04.840 Very much on televigience right, No TV. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.200 No, there's just I don't know, but it's not a thing. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.080 And it was a thing on Scandal, but it was 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.520 really a thing for popa pope. But your cadence and 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.880 rhythm was so different than let's say mine, If I 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.840 got a monologue, it was like, let's just fly by 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.920 the seat of our pants and talk as fast as 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.800 you can, and you do Scandal pace for listeners who 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.720 speak really quickly, but you also had your own popu 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.200 pope thing, Like, how did you Was that intentional? Did 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:34.800 it just occur? 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.120 It's definitely intentional what I thought I was seeing, and 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.840 I believe I was seeing in those monologues, but very 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:40.720 specific rhythms. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.080 She would write very specific rhythms in a very specific way. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.520 So what I thought was, well, this is a lot 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.240 like doing Shakespeare. So that's what I decided to do. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920 I thought I'd do have a classical play whenever he 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.040 got into his monologues. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.640 And it's something now I've had to. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:59.280 Yeah, we talk about that. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:16:59.760 All the time. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.680 It's like everyone says to me on every job I've 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.520 booked since, like you can slow down. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.000 No one can understand it, not even it's not even 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.480 the pace, it's it's that it's that kind of rhythm. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.600 I did it on our kind of people. And who 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.360 was it that Mars Chestnut said to me said, why 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:22.800 do you Why do you do it that way? 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.240 I realized I'm doing I'm doing game. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.760 We all had to kind of unlearn, like you have 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.480 to learn the Popa Pope. I had to unlearn the like, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.440 oh my god, I talk really really fast and I 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.199 never ever ever pause and I don't ever let there 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.320 be a beat. And I feel like with hawk gear 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:40.080 that crazy. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.280 I had a specific sort of cadence too, like a very. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:48.400 Like you definitely speaking definitely did oh my gosh, wait, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.000 what is popa Pope's whole name again? 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:52.440 Eli? 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:53.760 Oh my god? 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:01.719 Or command command Rowan God Rowan? 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:07.399 How about Maia Pope? We gotta talk to it and 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.600 you figured it out like this is gonna be your wife, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.879 like that whole fucking relationship was unbelievable. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.240 Well, Shanna said that she was gonna, you know, bring 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.359 his wife on. So then we talked a couple of 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:18.080 times about. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.920 Who I mean, I wanted, you know, Flicia Rashad because 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.960 I'm thinking she's going to be the same kind of 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.760 crazy that that that Rowan is and then she brings 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.920 Candy on, who is a different kind of crazy altogether, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.320 and it just works perfectly because she's so oppressed with 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.000 She's beautiful and she's wiry, and she's you know, she's 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.200 all that stuff, and it worked perfectly. 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.080 And then and then she wrote for us, I guess 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:43.479 I kidnap her. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.680 I'm trying to, but I have her in like a 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.280 hospital situation undercapture, and you see us for a moment, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:51.959 come together. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:53.879 I think the episode after that, I put her back 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.280 in prison. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.680 Right, you guys didn't, Yeah, you didn't have very many 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.639 scenes together together, right, we did not? 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:00.240 Yeah? 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.440 No, you know what, Germo and I I think maybe 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.399 we could be as good of actors as Joe Morton 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.959 if we We talk a lot on this podcast about 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.399 how much food and eating Garmo and I did at 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.960 the craft service table. And I always think about how 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.560 Joe is so disciplined. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.720 Oh yeah, you've talked about it on the podcast. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.560 Like you're so disciplined, And I think about you when 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.800 I'm on set, like I think about because one time 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.359 I said, well, what do you do? Like what's your 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.240 behavior on set? And we started having like a lot 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.160 of heavy scenes together in really long days. You would 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.520 say like, oh, you know, I'm really careful, Like you 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.480 would snack, but you wouldn't have huge meals because you're like, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.159