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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded prior to the sag After strike.

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Speaker 2: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 2: partnership with Higheartradios and Katie Wos.

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Speaker 1: I wish they would have hot dogs at premieres. I'm

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Speaker 1: always like, oh, you know, hot dogs. It just have

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Speaker 1: popcorn and so or water.

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Speaker 3: Stak gass hot dog with everyone stresses and fancy ass clothes.

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Speaker 1: And you're like stuff in your mouth with popcorn.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've never eaten so much popcorn in my entire life.

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Speaker 3: My mouth is so shrended today, and I'm so hungover

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Speaker 3: when I'm sick or hungover, and I have a regular

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Speaker 3: Coca Cola, like this is the most delicious thing the planet.

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Speaker 1: Especially like a Mexican coke.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, my mouth is watering my kid sometimes if

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Speaker 3: it's special and like Mommy and Daddy having cocktails. I

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Speaker 3: make him like a mocktail. Oh yeah, and it's like specially.

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Speaker 3: I make him like ice water. I mean ice ginger ale,

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Speaker 3: some sprite and then it splash of grenadine and a cherry.

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Speaker 1: It's like Temple. Yeah, I used to love Shirley Temples.

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Speaker 3: What origin story of why a Shirley Temple is Temple?

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Speaker 1: Can we look this up right?

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Speaker 4: Idea?

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Speaker 3: Look, the drink was named after iconic child actress Shirley Temple.

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Speaker 3: Legend has it that when she was out to dinner

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Speaker 3: types who were all enjoying cocktails, the bartends and made

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Speaker 3: her a special alcoholic drink so she could feel fancy too,

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Speaker 3: which is what I do for my kids. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: feel bad because it has soda in it, and I

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Speaker 3: once in a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little treat, a treat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little it's a little treat. Well, today's exciting.

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Speaker 3: This is a very exciting episode for so many reasons,

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 1: Like people have no idea, who the fuck is about

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Speaker 1: to come on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Who the fuck is about to come on?

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Speaker 1: A BOS?

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Speaker 3: But also it's like my favorite number. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: episode two two two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, since the last episode of season.

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Speaker 3: Two, last episode of season two, and there was only

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Speaker 3: one person that we could even remotely like, it was

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Speaker 3: so clear who the guests should be for this episode.

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Speaker 3: It was it was not not a competition, it was

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Speaker 3: not not an argument like, there's only one person we

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Speaker 3: could bring our gladiators today, am I right?

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Speaker 4: Gie?

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Speaker 1: And we were lucky enough that he said yes, and

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Speaker 1: he's here.

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Speaker 3: He's here today, and you might know him for the

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Speaker 3: plethora of work of oh my god, of acting performances

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Speaker 3: that this person has delivered throughout that.

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Speaker 1: Can I just rattle off a few of his credits

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Speaker 1: right quick and see if people might guess? So he

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Speaker 1: made his Broadway debut and hair. He was nominated for

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Speaker 1: Tony in nineteen seventy four for Raisin in the Sun.

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Speaker 1: He was check these credits out, mash Sanford and Son,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? The brother from another Planet? Who's the boss?

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Speaker 1: Justice League? A different world? Speed one and two? And

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Speaker 1: most recently, God friended me, Oh my god, he is

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Speaker 1: and of course wait wait wait, but of course the

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Speaker 1: fucking Terminator to Judgment Date, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: best movies. It's better than the original ever.

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Speaker 3: I mean this actor. When he started coming around, we

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Speaker 3: were like, I mean, I think Kerry Washington gets starstruck

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Speaker 3: never and I'll never forget him coming to our first

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Speaker 3: scandal table read because she was full loor. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: is the one and only people. He is. There is

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Speaker 3: no other. He is all scandal. He is our king,

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Speaker 3: He is the one. He is the only Opa Pope.

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Speaker 5: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Joe, what hello, Joe Martin? How are you, good man?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: Jo Morton, Oh my god, thank you so so much

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Speaker 1: for doing this with us?

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Speaker 4: Are you kidd And I would have not What am

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Speaker 3: We just did like the biggest drum roll and g

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Speaker 3: was talking through your credits.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Hi, Hello, we missed you man. It's

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Speaker 1: been forever.

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Speaker 4: It has been forever.

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Speaker 3: Listen to that voice. It is like voice. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he could just break into a popa pope monologue

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Speaker 3: right now, I could the lines that have stuck in

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Speaker 3: my head of I am the hell and high Water.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would veno you money right now if you

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Speaker 1: did that.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't afford it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't afford it.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's like three hundred and fifty bucks. Like strike, y'all, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're on strike. Joe has not aged ever, Like, what

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Speaker 3: in the actual hell is going on? I don't understand this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, I keep telling everybody I have this

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Speaker 3: As like when I wrote Scandal from ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: I you know, me and g look very different. You

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Speaker 5: God, no, you have not changed. And the only thing

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Speaker 5: different about Yoma was the beard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very true, very very true. Wait, Joe, can

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Speaker 3: you tell us how in the heck this came to be?

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Speaker 3: Because I don't even think I really know this story.

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Speaker 3: I don't want either here how you got the part,

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Speaker 3: and also that you were acting with all of us

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Speaker 3: for months, I mean not me, I didn't realize need

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Speaker 3: to do in Gida neither. But and you knew who

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Speaker 3: your character was. We know. Tell us how the part happened?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: So I came out to La. It was a pilot season,

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Speaker 5: so I was looking for a gig, and I went

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Speaker 5: out specifically looking for a very smart bad guy. Since

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Speaker 5: most of my career I purposely have been playing good guys.

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Speaker 5: So I get to California. I opened up my computer

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Speaker 5: and I had not yet seen Scandal. I knew about Carrie,

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Speaker 5: I knew about Scandal, I hadn't seen it. So I

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Speaker 5: my god, this is a great show. So I thought

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Speaker 5: to call my agent and said listen, could you, you know,

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Speaker 5: let's get ahold of ABC. Let's see if we can

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Speaker 4: Before I made that call, O man, before I.

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Speaker 5: Made that call, my agents called me and said, ABC

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Speaker 5: wants to talk to you about Scandal. What I thought,

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. All right, so I forget which producer

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Speaker 5: the show, and he said, so, what's going to happen

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Speaker 5: is if you decide to take this gig, is that

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Speaker 5: the very last episode of season two will make it clear,

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Speaker 5: are Carrie's dad. I said, you got, I'm in. He said,

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Speaker 5: but you cannot tell anybody. You can't tell anyone. You

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Speaker 5: Juliet's dad. So we start, you know, shooting the show,

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Speaker 5: and Carrie used to I'm up to it all the time,

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Speaker 4: He said, You're the first person I've ever done that with.

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Speaker 4: She said, so, I just hope we have some scenes together.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is Hilaierus cannot even Carrie knew

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Speaker 1: carried it no either, No.

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Speaker 4: Tom knew.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, Seanda and Betsy knew, but they were the only

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Speaker 4: I think something.

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Speaker 5: More interesting has come up. And he said, I said,

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Speaker 5: you know, being Scott, didn't pursue you just left it alone.

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Speaker 4: And of course by the time we got there. But

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Speaker 1: Oh talk about it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Carrie doesn't know, and she says, Dad, in my head,

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Speaker 5: I remember all I remembers everybody started screaming. Everybody started screaming.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that she she may have run around

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Speaker 5: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: I really somebody has to have that on tape, right,

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Speaker 5: Read we got to get our hands on somebody. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Betsy may may have something on tape. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: Wow. And the first when we first see you all

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Speaker 5: No? The credit was? I forget what they called me.

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Speaker 5: I think they oh, well, they probably used.

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Speaker 5: Because all I remember, really, all I did before we

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Speaker 5: and hand Yeah. If older supposed to Jeff, go kill

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Speaker 5: this person, go kill And that's really all I did.

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Speaker 5: But knowing what was coming. So when we finally got

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Speaker 5: we shot it several different ways because neither Carrie or

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Speaker 5: Whether we were estranged, whether he had been in contact

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Speaker 4: We had no idea what was going on.

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Speaker 5: And so Tom, who directed that episode, you know, we

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Speaker 3: That's right. I remember carry being like the one word dad,

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Speaker 3: Like how many different variations you can be? Like do

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Speaker 3: Am I sad to see him?

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Speaker 1: How long has it been since I've seen him?

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Speaker 5: All?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. So then we've talked about this, I

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Speaker 3: think a number of times on this podcast, but we

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Speaker 3: don't know, was it the sag After? Where was this

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Speaker 4: That was that sag after at that theater?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, I'm impressed and at Germo and I when

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Speaker 4: Ago years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh My Gosh was written by the Shonda Rhimes and

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Speaker 3: And it was guest starring Scott Foley as Jake Ballard,

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Speaker 3: is is Governor Samuel Restin, Kate.

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Speaker 1: Burton is Sally Langston, Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle, Georgian

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Speaker 1: Nuburn as Charlie, Charmila Davar is Lauren Wellman, and Christy

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Speaker 1: Myers as B six thirteen Female Operative.

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Speaker 3: And we're just gonna take you through a quick, quick synopsis,

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Speaker 3: like real quick about jog all y'all gladiator's memories of

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Speaker 3: what was going on in scandal pace Ready.

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Speaker 1: Gee Yeah.

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Speaker 3: With the news that Billy Chambers is the mole, the

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Speaker 3: Hollis Melly Olivia Cyrus brain Trust brings in its newest

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Speaker 3: member Fits as they try to finally put an end

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Speaker 3: to defiance.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Fitz demands that he and Olivia be together as

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Speaker 1: he runs for second term, and Olivia comes up with

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Speaker 1: a brilliant way to fix the image for him. As

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Speaker 1: long as things work.

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Speaker 3: Out, Governor Resin reservices with blackmail against Fits to get

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Speaker 3: onto the VP ticket, and the OPA team, with a

462
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Speaker 3: focus on Hugg and Quinn track down Billy Chambers. Quinn

463
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Speaker 3: takes her first spin with torture, and Abby finally puts

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Speaker 3: it all together. David Rosen has the card just a

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Speaker 3: light little plot twists mind their hugely chalk filled episode,

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Speaker 3: like absolutely freaking massive. Gee, I mean obviously the scenes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're gonna talk a little bit, Joe about

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Speaker 3: the actual episode. This is the first episode that Quinn

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Speaker 3: really tortures somebody.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I barely even remember doing it. But do we get

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Speaker 3: Billy Chambers on the tarp and Huck can't do it? Right?

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Speaker 1: Huck, Yeah, a sort of has a mental and emotional

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Speaker 1: breakdown and he just can't do it with the drill

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Speaker 1: in his hand, and Quinn sort of, you know, tries

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Speaker 1: to console him, and she's like, it's okay, and then

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Speaker 1: she takes the drill from his hand and she looks

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Speaker 1: down and she's like, I'm gonna fucking torture this guy,

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Speaker 1: and she tortures him. You do it so brilliantly, and

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Speaker 1: then that blood spatter on your face. I still as you're.

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Speaker 3: Spatter on my face. It was so fun.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have to torture anyone on the show?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever torture anyone? And I don't remember I

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Speaker 1: torture anyone. I mean I remember, as Huck feeling tortured

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Speaker 1: whenever I had scenes with you, because I knew how

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Speaker 1: was you were command.

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Speaker 5: I think probably the closest I came to torturing anybody

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Speaker 5: was Scott was Scott's.

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Speaker 4: Character, right, Oh but that but that was more more mental.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't physical. I don't think I've ever I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think I always told, you know, go out and

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Speaker 5: do something. You're the one who kills everybody on the.

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Speaker 1: Bus, that's right. Oh my god, Joe, I forgot about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did a lot of that. I think

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Speaker 4: the only I only killed two people myself.

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Speaker 3: That was my ex girlfriend and and U Joe girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: Remember she came on They were using her to get

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Speaker 4: information from me.

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Speaker 5: Uh and they said, you know she's so she becomes

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Speaker 5: like a vulnerability and in the middle of the scene,

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Speaker 5: I pull out a.

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Speaker 4: Gun and I just shoot her in the head.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: We had been lovers when we were much younger. We

506
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Speaker 5: went on digs together. That's after I get the giant dinosaur.

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Speaker 4: She comes in.

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Speaker 5: We are the flame is kind of restored, and there's

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Speaker 5: a moment which I literally seduce her into a closet

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Speaker 5: and pull out a gun, threaten threaten her.

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Speaker 4: Threaten her by saying, you know, you need to tell

512
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Speaker 4: me what's going on. Who hired you? Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: I find out remember that guy who was setting up

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Speaker 5: he was he was blowing things up all across the country.

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Speaker 1: Remember that character, right, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 4: It's that same guy. So he's the one who set

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Speaker 4: her up against me.

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Speaker 5: He then we the three of us haven't seen together,

519
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Speaker 5: and he makes it clear that she will always be

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Speaker 5: of vulnerability in my life for the rest.

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Speaker 4: Of my right. As soon as he says, I they

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Speaker 4: got my gun and shooter.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you did shoot her.

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Speaker 4: It was Tanya Pinkins who played the part.

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Speaker 1: Oh I was Oh my god, yes, from All My Children.

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Speaker 1: She used to be on All My Children, which, looking

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Speaker 1: at your credit, Joe, you did one episode of All

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Speaker 1: My Children, didn't you.

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Speaker 4: I did Another World, Yes, Another World World, And then

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 5: Because uh, Ruben Santiago had a character in one of

532
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Speaker 5: the other on one of the other soaps.

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Speaker 4: He had to go off to do something.

534
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Speaker 5: They asked me to take his place. That's the other

535
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Speaker 5: soap I worked on. I mean, this is we're talking about.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sad soaps too. Gee, did you ever do soaps?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: I never did a soap. I auditioned for them all

539
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Speaker 1: the time, but I never did it.

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Speaker 3: Were so fun, like so fun crazy.

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Speaker 5: There was a time in which the first soape I did,

542
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Speaker 5: I was actually doing Raisin in Washington, d C. So

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Speaker 5: that meant I was doing the show at night.

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Speaker 3: Or are you hitting me?

545
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Speaker 4: I did that a lot. I did that kind of

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Speaker 4: thing a lot.

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Speaker 3: Wow, God, Joe, what is anyone's favorite scenes of this episode?

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Speaker 3: First of all, we finally get that Cyrus has had

549
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Speaker 3: a heart attack, because there is no way that this

550
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Speaker 3: character can exist at the level of steam coming out

551
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Speaker 3: of his ears for this many hours and not wind

552
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Speaker 3: up in an ambulance. Right, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And that's well, that brings us to one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite scenes is the scene when Cyrus is in the ambulance. Oh,

555
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: it's amazing, and he's being so like, he's just being crazy.

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Speaker 1: He's out of his mind. He even asked the one

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Speaker 1: guy give me your gun, I'll shoot him, Like he's

558
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: just flipping out. And he's on the phone with Fits

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Speaker 1: and Olivia.

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Speaker 3: You in an ambulance, yeah, and he's like yeah, whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's so so so funny. We also get the end

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Speaker 3: of like Jake and Olivia, you know, like that they

563
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Speaker 3: have a beautiful storyline where Olivia is saying goodbye to

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Speaker 3: Jake and that she's really choosing Fits, and but they

565
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Speaker 3: did have something, and Jake knows that he's going to

566
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Speaker 3: go be put in the frickin' hole. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: it's awful and it's so good.

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Speaker 1: What else, g oh my god. Well, of course the

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Speaker 1: torture scene, when you torture. Oh well. And one of

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Speaker 1: my one of the scenes that's really stuck out is

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Speaker 1: the one where Fits and Melli have a scene together. Yes,

572
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Speaker 1: and she's like, come, let's go, honey, we're back together,

573
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Speaker 1: like you know this is going to work, and he's like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not. And Olivia has has come up with a

575
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Speaker 1: brilliant plan for fixing an image. Yes, yes, yes, and

576
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Speaker 1: and and Tony Goldwin has this wonderful monologue and it's

577
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Speaker 1: just it's so great.

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Speaker 4: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: This is why this show was so great. It's never

580
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Speaker 3: ever what you expect. It is never what you expect.

581
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Speaker 3: I mean the end of this episode when we get

582
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Speaker 3: Fits going back to Mellie and laying his head.

583
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Speaker 1: On her map, because of my favorite moment, it is.

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Speaker 3: No man's land. I mean, he knows that Jake and

585
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Speaker 3: Olivia we're sleeping together, now he knows that his he

586
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Speaker 3: was never meant to be president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: He is a freakin' pawn. He's a pretty boy pawn

588
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Speaker 3: who is lost on an island with nobody, and so

589
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Speaker 3: he goes back to Melly and puts his sad sack

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Speaker 3: of a head like interlap, and it's just like Tony's

591
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Speaker 3: got the He's got that like one. He's so good

592
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Speaker 3: at it, like I don't think I've ever played that

593
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Speaker 3: sort of a color, and he's really good at it.

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Speaker 4: Is I think a lot of his career has been that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if you go all the way

596
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Speaker 5: back to the Whoopi Goldberg film, yeah, you know, he

597
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Speaker 5: plays the bad guy in that, but there there is

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Speaker 5: that moment of kind of oh, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't he's great at it. My god, he's

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Speaker 3: really really great at it. Had you two ever worked

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Speaker 3: together before we did?

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Speaker 5: We did some small film in New York and that's

603
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Speaker 5: been I think that's the first time we met. It

604
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Speaker 5: was one of the first times, because I think we

605
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Speaker 5: met up at Williamstown once before. But in this little film,

606
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Speaker 5: we had a couple of little scenes together.

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Speaker 4: I don't really remember it, but but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, do you remember that scene you had with

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Speaker 1: Tony I to remember what episode it was. Wasn't he

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Speaker 1: like in a chair and you like call him white boy?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's the that's the boys scene, the boy?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, what is that again?

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Speaker 5: That episode was called the door marked Exit, because that's

614
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Speaker 5: what that speech was about. Is that one of the

615
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Speaker 5: reason you're with her and the only reason you're trying

616
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Speaker 5: to push my buttons with her is because for you,

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Speaker 5: she is a door marked exit. You think that you

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Speaker 5: can just walk out anytime you feel like it. And

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Speaker 5: so that whole speech was, you know, your your daddy's

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Speaker 5: rich and the mom's good looking, because you are a

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Speaker 5: what was his last name, Fitzgerald Grant, You are a

622
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Speaker 5: grand But it's that whole speech was putting him down.

623
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Speaker 5: I mean talking about memorable moments for a block. I

624
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Speaker 5: was the one who was the one in the chair.

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Speaker 1: I was in you were in the chair.

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Speaker 5: I was in the chair. I was in my undershirt

627
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Speaker 5: and peopled to the chair. I'm and I'm you know,

628
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Speaker 5: just reading him up and down.

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Speaker 3: What a little nothing like a little rich boy, a

630
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Speaker 3: little rich baby boy that can't be a isn't a man?

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Speaker 5: And then that Christmas, I sent him a like a bag.

632
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Speaker 5: It looked like a bowling bag, but honor it, said,

633
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Speaker 5: I didn't write it.

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Speaker 4: This is how I found.

635
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: It was a bag, but that big a bowling bag,

636
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 5: said boy who for Christmas wrapped it up and sent

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Speaker 5: it to him.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's freaking hilarous' amazing, that's so crazy

639
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Speaker 3: And also like what am I mean? Tony's not like

640
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: that at all, But like I always think it's really

641
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: wild that our president and vice president on this show

642
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: are Hollywood royalty. Like we had Betsy Beers on for

643
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Speaker 3: episode two twenty one and she was saying, like, you know,

644
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: talking about the old studios or whatever, and You're like, yeah,

645
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: remember Metro Goldwyn Mayor, I mean that is yeah, I

646
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: mean Goldwyn he is Hollywood Royalty. And then our voice president,

647
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Speaker 3: our vice president being played by Kate Burton, who's Richard

648
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Speaker 3: Burton's daughter, who was like, I mean, it was like

649
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: the two of them were totally you know, historical, just

650
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Speaker 3: like you.

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Speaker 4: I had a conversation because.

652
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Speaker 5: I was offered to direct a film that was a

653
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Speaker 5: black version of Eat, Drink Love, uh, and his father

654
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 5: would have been the producer, So I actually got a chance.

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Speaker 5: I brought it up to Tony said, do you remember

656
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Speaker 5: He said, I kind of remember my dad talking about

657
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Speaker 5: it because I figured there was another director was supposed

658
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Speaker 5: to do it, and he passed it on to me.

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Speaker 5: I met with Tony's dad, so yes, I can actually

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Speaker 5: say I had with mister Goldman.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. One of my favorite all time memories of

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Speaker 3: my life. Of my life, I had my first baby.

663
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Speaker 3: I was coming back to work for the first time

664
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Speaker 3: in an episode that Kerrie Washington was directing Is. I

665
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: felt very supported shand the land carry directing. You know,

666
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: a mom and I've been kidnapped in Papa Pope's house

667
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: in the basement and were oddly and sort of beautifully

668
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: like raising this baby together. Yes, And we got to

669
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: dance to a Britney Spears song and they called in

670
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: Debbie Allen to do a favor and just do a

671
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: little choreography rehearsal with me and Joe and I'm holding

672
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: in the in the shot, I was going to be

673
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: holding Quinn's baby and doing this like hit me baby

674
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: one more time choreography with Joe and they and they

675
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: were and I was like, well, my son is here

676
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: and they were like, well, you can just bring him

677
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: and Debbie I was like, I can, that's allowed. Debbie

678
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, bring him to the rehearsal, hold him

679
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: like you're going to be holding the real baby. And

680
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: I had such an out of body moment where I'm like,

681
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: I'm dancing to Britney Spears with my firstborn child on

682
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: a hit television show with Joe Morton, studying choreography with

683
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: Debbie Allen, and I have a videotape, Adam. I made

684
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: Adam like videotape it just so that I could have

685
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: it forever, because yes, nice when it comes out, it

686
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: is the most like I just was like, I am

687
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: the luckiest like to get to work with you, to

688
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: get to work with Debbie Allen in such a like absolute,

689
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: like obscure, an amazing thing holding my kid where I

690
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: was sort of transitioning into this like new identity of

691
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: being a mom while still being an actress. I just like,

692
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: it's one of those memories I'll take with me for forever. God,

693
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: we had some crazy shit to do. I have a

694
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: memory of like I had to throw a chain around

695
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: your neck. I think I don't even know well that

696
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: that whole episode.

697
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 5: Right, you're down the basement, and then I'd make I

698
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 5: make Kerry believe that I've killed you. Yes, yes, yes,

699
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: all that takes place in the basement. That was That

700
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: was a wild episode.

701
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: Seanda wrote it. It was so so so wild. Oh

702
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: my god, we're gonna have to have you back on

703
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: when we get there.

704
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 5: You know why. It's making me think about it, but

705
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: it makes me think of that episode that Gamo did.

706
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 4: What you girlfriend tries to drown.

707
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: You or yes, yes, yes, she puts me in the

708
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: trunk of a car and pushes it off a cliff. Yeah,

709
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: another crazy episode. One of the memories that sticks out

710
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: is Joe and I were in an episode together and

711
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: we were doing a lot of stuff together, hucking and rowan,

712
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: and we were, you know, in our chairs waiting for

713
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: them to set up the shot, and I was talking

714
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: about I had just bought my house or I hadn't

715
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: just buy a butt it like a year ago. But

716
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: we just put in a pool and I was like, Joe,

717
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: I have this pool in my house. But I feel

718
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: almost like I don't know, I can't. I feel guilty,

719
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: like I feel like I don't deserve it. So I

720
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: don't go in it.

721
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: In that pool for like a year. That's how mad

722
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: deserve it.

723
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Joe was sitting at his chair reading his book. You know,

724
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: he had a close because he was listening to me

725
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: and he and I said, so, Joe, I just don't know, man,

726
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: I just I feel guilt. I don't know if I

727
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: deserve the pool. And he looked at me and see,

728
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: he said, did you pay for that pool? And I

729
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: said yeah, and he said get in the pool.

730
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 5: And that was it.

731
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember? And I was like, you're right, you're right,

732
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: You're right, And now I get in the pool all

733
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 5: It's funny about stuff like that, how you know your

735
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: life changes and you think kind of like I don't deserve.

736
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: To have this. I don't deserve to be part of this. Yeah,

737
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: but you know you worked hard to get there.

738
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're not there by mistake, by chance,

739
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: you know you when you you know, I mean, I

740
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 5: think one of my music partners we're talking about something

741
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 5: that you know, when I got nominated for an Emmitt,

742
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 5: you know, your tendency is to almost distance yourself from that, yes,

743
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: because it feels like it's too much. It's like, oh oh,

744
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: that's great. And I kept saying, but you know, having

745
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 5: a nomination was just enough. It was fine, blah blah blah.

746
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: So that when they announced my name at the it

747
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 5: was like took me a second. Jane Lynch because I

748
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 5: remember her face. She had no idea who I was,

749
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: she said, and Joe Morton like she was shocked.

750
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: I was shocked. But I think what happens is you

751
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: you you distance yourself so that if something goes.

752
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: Wrong, if something yes, you're not able to fulfill where

753
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 5: you are, You're not that disappointed.

754
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: So true, that's what happens.

755
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: Such a great point.

756
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.

757
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: Okay, back to this episode really quick. So we find

758
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: out what did David Rosen do with the Citron card.

759
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: The amount of shenanigans that this Citron card has has

760
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: has caused, and so I mean it is the only logistical,

761
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: concrete evidence that the freaking election election, but the Citron card.

762
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: We find out that David Rosen has neurotically put in

763
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: fifty thousand combinations of what the safe could be in

764
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: Olivia Pope's office to break in and get the card. Yes,

765
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: and he in turn gives it.

766
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: To Billy Chambers, who gives it to But.

767
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: Then finally at the end of the episode, it is

768
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: given to Cyrus, and Cyrus at his desk takes us

769
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: a paperweight of Lincoln and smashes it ship out of

770
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: this card and we can finally put any evidence that

771
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: the election was ever rigged down the drain right.

772
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, in the real world, which they could do that.

773
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't it weird? God, the Shonda Land the scandal,

774
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: like secretly kind of weirdly knowing what was going on

775
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: was very weird.

776
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: I mean that's you know, that's a question to you

777
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 5: guys get a lot as well as what did we

778
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 5: end when we did? And I always think it's because

779
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: of the actual election that Chanda thought, you know what,

780
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: I'm done. Yeah, that that Bellamy was supposed to take over,

781
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: was was going to become president once again, and then

782
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 5: that's where the show was going to go.

783
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: And then once mister t got yeah elected, I think

784
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 4: she was done. I mean that's yeah, that was my feeling.

785
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: What was crazier in real life than on our show,

786
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Like shit became crazier in real life. It's nuts, absolutely, Yeah,

787
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: even now to watch to watch old episodes and they're

788
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: talking about scandals that happened to you know, senators or

789
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: whatever on our show, and I think that's nothing like

790
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: way worse is happening with politicians in our world right now,

791
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: and people are like, Okay, cool, yeah, let's make them president,

792
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: no worries. It's it's nuts. Yeah.

793
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, Joe. I think there was

794
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: like some article about other political shows that were on

795
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: at the time, like Veep, like our show, and they

796
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: were all sort of saying, like, when the lights are

797
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: on in Washington, it's very wonderful to have a political show,

798
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: like you know, the years that West Wing was on,

799
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: and then as soon as the as soon as there's

800
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: sort of a darkness over DC and it's very very

801
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, divisive, and times are tough. It's very hard

802
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: to keep writing a political show and making one. Oh wait,

803
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: I just read this fun facts talking about that safe.

804
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: Abby states that there are twenty thousand, seven hundred and

805
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: thirty six possible safe combinations. But later, when David is

806
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: shown accessing the safe, he is only able to enter

807
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: four digits zero to nine, which means that they're actually

808
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: only ten thousand combinations that he would have tried.

809
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: Who the hell thought, who the hell came up with

810
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: this fun fact?

811
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: That was?

812
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: That wasn't even fun?

813
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: No fun, it's the funnest the funds.

814
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 5: I love it.

815
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: This is the other fun fact. Given the broken chain

816
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: of custody and how easy the sytron card is to

817
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: hack it realistically, wouldn't have been proof of anything at all,

818
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: should it have? Actually time to light btw tweets of

819
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: the time and before we read some of these, Joe,

820
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: you definitely joined Twitter for this show, and you definitely

821
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: had quite the Twitter persona.

822
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: He did so great.

823
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that was fun.

824
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: I mean I hadn't done any social media before then,

825
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 5: and then when I joined the show, and then I

826
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: found out, you know, you don't have to do it,

827
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: but you could do it if it's fun.

828
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: So then Christina and I just decided that what we

829
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: would do for Sine is my partner.

830
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: For those of you who don't know, she's the best,

831
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: she is the best.

832
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 5: So we decided we would get go as far into

833
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 5: it as we could. Tony actually walked out to me

834
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 5: one day he said, so, all that stuff you say

835
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 5: about me and you just it's just fun.

836
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, Tony, I like you, but I'm not.

837
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Because everybody listening. It was kind of like like a

838
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: pop up hope. It's like you were tweeting as if

839
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: you were pop up hope.

840
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: A lot of the times I was tweeting in character.

841
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: It was awesome and I can't believe you could do that.

842
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 5: It was so.

843
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: Well, it made it more fun that way.

844
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: That way, yeah, you know exactly, the personally, this.

845
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: Is so amazing, Like some of these tweets are the

846
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: times absolutely kill me? We have at Sweet and Lovely

847
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: two two nine retweeted, what the fuck Billy Chambers is

848
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: the male and David is his male? Oh my fucking god, hashtag.

849
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: Scandal this dude's betto metro Dos tweeted if Scandal, if

850
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: the Scandal story arc was anywhere near to Olivia, Pope

851
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: would be dead in jail or on Fox News covering

852
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the New Black Panthers. Oh shit, hashtag hardball.

853
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: Wow man, she would she would be the new Oprah.

854
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: She would right, yeah, hell yeah, I agree, she would

855
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: be the new Oprah. At Funkydneva, oh yeah, who used

856
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: to tweet all the time. I felt so bad for James.

857
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: I was distraught for a men after that scene. Miss

858
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: Cyrus is a beast hashtag scandal, which is true? How

859
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: James and Cyrus? How he ever stayed with him? Cyrus

860
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: was a terrible husband to him?

861
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, okay. Miss Funky Daneva also tweeted Quinn needs

862
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: to step up her fashions next season, Hunty, I'm over her,

863
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: and this I'm over her and this Lauren Hill tax

864
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: evasion realness, she is serving.

865
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: It's so true. I agree with you, Miss funky Geneva,

866
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: who's also like rolling on these fucking amazing tweets at

867
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 3: Miss Funky Geneva also tweeted, Scandal writer season three, can

868
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: Harrison have a love interest so we can get some

869
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: shirtless scenes man or woman? Hine hashtag scandal and.

870
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: Then moful Chronicles tweeted, I volunteer to be Harrison's love

871
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: interest hashtag scandal.

872
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Oh this is so cute at real.

873
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: Queen bees Hx tweeted, got my hashtag high mug from

874
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: at scandal obsessed on the perfect Day. I can't wait

875
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: to drink out of it tonight. That was so cute.

876
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: I remember that was a major because you know, Tony

877
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: and Carrie always had those scenes where they just said hi,

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Speaker 3: to each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where the cup came from.

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Speaker 3: And so it became a hashtag because.

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Speaker 4: They would give themselves a minute, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay at Drea E. Hall tweeted,

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Speaker 1: you can't trust anyone anymore hashtag scandle has me shook lol.

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Speaker 1: So true, so true, trust bodies so true.

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Speaker 3: These are so great.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you Joe about this amazing

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Speaker 1: show that Joe worked on. I'm not sure if you

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Speaker 1: guys are still doing it called Inside the Black Box.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we are still doing that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Inside the Black Box it's basically a show that brings

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Speaker 5: on a list of black actors to talk about what

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Speaker 5: he means to be an actor of color, an artist

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Speaker 5: of color. And we have We've had Felicia m We've

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Speaker 5: had Debbie on yes right on the show.

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Speaker 4: We've had just a whole bunch of people.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 5: Forty to sixty actors who are on camera. So what

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Speaker 5: we do is we then do either theater games or

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Speaker 5: improvs or whatever. Yes, it gives them a chance to

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Speaker 5: showcase their talents and to that to that effect, four

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Speaker 5: or five of them have now agents have gotten jobs

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Speaker 5: and how yeah, we are beginning to become a destination

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Speaker 5: for casting agents looking for young black actors.

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Speaker 3: This is like inside the studio.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's the same idea.

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Speaker 5: The difference is we are not in a prosceni and

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Speaker 5: we actually are in a black box and we are

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Speaker 5: more or less.

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Speaker 4: Surrounded by these actors.

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Speaker 5: And as I say again, different from the actors studio,

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Speaker 5: we actually give them a chance to show fast their talents,

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Speaker 5: which is kind of key to our show.

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Speaker 4: We want to you know, you know they talk.

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Speaker 5: About Disney actors all the time. One day in the

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Speaker 5: future they'll be talking about it tv B.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I saw clip Joe and there you guys.

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Speaker 1: They're interviewing this lovely actor, this this awesome dude, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, forget the actors studio, man, I'm here with

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Speaker 1: you guys. And I thought, hell yeah, this is so groundbreaking.

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Speaker 3: I want to letters it BB it t BB inside

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Speaker 3: the black Box. That is awesome.

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Speaker 4: And here's another just a fact about it inside the

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Speaker 4: black Box.

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Speaker 5: So at the end of season one, which I think

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Speaker 5: happened around my birthday, we finished the show. We finished

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Speaker 5: our last episode. We only shoot ten a year and

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Speaker 5: suddenly our students breakout and song. That song became our

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Speaker 5: theme song for the show. Way they started singing the song,

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Speaker 5: I ran back to the producers and I said, wait

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Speaker 5: to record it. So my partners and I, you know,

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Speaker 5: put our studio together, brought them out to New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: He created what happened in the studio that day.

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Speaker 5: And so when you go on to the show, that

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Speaker 5: theme song that you hear is sung by me, my partners,

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Speaker 5: and a couple of the students. That it was written

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Speaker 5: by four of them.

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Speaker 1: That's such a great story.

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Speaker 3: YO.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, Joe is also

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Speaker 1: an amazing musician. Yes, he's right. Talk about that a

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Speaker 1: little bit, Joe, Like, what have you been doing for years?

945
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Speaker 4: Years and years? I've you know, been playing or whatever.

946
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Speaker 5: And so during all that crazy time when mister T

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Speaker 5: was in the White House, my partner Kenny Leman and

948
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Speaker 5: I wrote a piece called Wake Up America.

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Speaker 1: Which is basically I remember that, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 5: Not Republican, it's not democratic, but it basically is talking

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Speaker 5: about the importance of unity and that it's you know,

952
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 5: it's it's it's not us, or then it's us.

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Speaker 4: The United States, so you can find that on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Joe Morton. He is a legend, He is

955
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: the goat, he is the greatest of all time. He

956
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: is a friend, He is wonderful, and he is forever

957
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: and ever and will be our Papa Pope, yes and only.

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Speaker 5: And just to put this out there, there is something

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00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: else that Katie and I are kind of working on.

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00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 5: We can't really talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Working on that. We hope will will happen in fuy.

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Speaker 3: We hope working together very closely on something that would

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Speaker 3: make everyone very happy, mostly me.

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Speaker 1: This so much more, guys, Guys.

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Speaker 3: Next up episode three oh one, It's handled. We will

966
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Speaker 3: finally get to see this amazing hell or high water

967
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Speaker 3: getting down from the one and only pop U Pope

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Speaker 3: and so much more coming up next. Thank you Gladiators

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00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: so much for an incredible first season of Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. We're so happy. Was having so much

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Speaker 1: fun doing this.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Joe, thank you for wrapping up episode

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Speaker 3: two two two and the season finale of season two

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Speaker 3: with the most iconic dad moment that might go down

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Speaker 3: in history, is the most iconic and scandal all of

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Speaker 3: the episodes, any more still to uncover. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: being on g Thank you man.

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Speaker 1: I love you, guys, you guys, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Come back and listen to the next season, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come back. We love you. We couldn't do this

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Speaker 3: without you. Having a fucking blast.

984
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Speaker 1: We're having such a good time.

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Speaker 3: For another season so that I can learn better.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna learn how to say it in Spanish. I

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Speaker 1: bet Joe can probably say you don't you speak a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Spanish?

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Speaker 3: Joe, Adam, I mean, I'll be I mean, what's your name, Germo?

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Speaker 3: If you could joice memo my mom.

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Speaker 1: Raido, Manny Girmo, like she says all her kids names.

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Speaker 3: Memo me how to say it so I can. I

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Speaker 3: will than absolutely absolutely is not my fault.

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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox, y'all.

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Speaker 3: We love you. Joe Morton, Thank you, Glad.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, love you, Joe. Thank you guys for joining

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Speaker 1: us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show,

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Speaker 1: please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us.

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Speaker 3: Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and

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Speaker 3: editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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