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Speaker 2: Donald Trump in his Justice Department, they are investigating the

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Speaker 2: Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve Chief Chair Jerome pal

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Speaker 2: And that's something that is pretty unprecedented, at least that's

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Speaker 2: what Jerome.

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Speaker 3: Had to say about it.

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Speaker 2: He said that, paraphrasing, he said that this is this

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Speaker 2: is because the refusal of the Fed dropping interest rates

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Speaker 2: and the refusal of the Fed, you know, bowing to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's demand.

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Speaker 1: Right, the threat of criminal charges is a consequence of

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Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best

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Speaker 1: assessment of what would serve the public, rather than following

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Speaker 1: the preference of the president.

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Speaker 3: This is where we're at. This is where we're at. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So long story short.

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Speaker 2: He said that on Friday they they served them with

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Speaker 2: the investigation notification and he said that he will not

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Speaker 2: back down, and that is it's dangerous waters when the

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Speaker 2: FED loses its autonomy and becomes political, because the Federal

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Speaker 2: Reserve is not designed to become political. It's not designed

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Speaker 2: to answer to politicians, even the president. But Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is not a traditional politician or a traditional president by

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Speaker 2: any means. And even at the last FED share she

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Speaker 2: spoke about this and she said that it sais a

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Speaker 2: very dangerous president. It's extremely bad, extremely bad for the

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Speaker 2: market and something that you know needs to really be monitored. So,

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Speaker 2: what are the thoughts on this billet, the impact the

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Speaker 2: stock market, the greater impact for the economy. What's the

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Speaker 2: overall thoughts on the president putting almost criminal charges. It

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Speaker 2: looks like on one of the most powerful people in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: We got to say alleged because he said he had

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Speaker 1: no idea that it happened.

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Speaker 4: Wow, not surprised, and Legal called him Brighten earlier this morning,

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Speaker 4: Well when this first happened, and Rashat you pointed this

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Speaker 4: out when they had that meeting up the construction site.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be vindictive because he doesn't need anyone

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Speaker 4: to uncover how tumultuous our economic landscape is. Like I

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Speaker 4: was talking about this on stock Club and we've talked

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Speaker 4: about it on a show him privately, But how bad

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Speaker 4: do things have to be for a country? In order

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Speaker 4: for you to move up the GDP from one percent

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Speaker 4: to potentially five you had to form a coup in

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Speaker 4: Venezuela to get resources. So the way he's running this

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Speaker 4: is like a mob boss allegedly, and any enemy combatant

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Speaker 4: to the story is going to be punished. And it's

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Speaker 4: the reason why this is so important because they don't

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Speaker 3: To turn.

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Speaker 4: This year and with JD. Van running, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a terrible precedent. And also the Federal Reserve is a

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Speaker 4: I don't think it would be great for our economy.

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Speaker 4: A mistake and opposed to fixing the core problem, being

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Speaker 4: punitive towards the chair because he didn't do what you

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Speaker 4: want is a grand mistake. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when we saw Duvin Knight, it was

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Speaker 1: just like yo, it made me think about July in

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Speaker 1: that meeting when he talked about the overspending uh and

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Speaker 1: you know, Jerome kind of embarrassed him a little bit there.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a vindictive guy. He's a guy that

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Speaker 1: anybody that gets in that way there's going to be

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Speaker 1: consequences with I think it's that's a terrible precedent, right,

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Speaker 1: even if I mean to indict the FED chair and

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Speaker 1: never had a war you learn on a drug warlord? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But what it was to say about he is the

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Speaker 1: you know, when his time is up, you still have

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Speaker 1: to put some money in his place. What does it

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Speaker 1: say about the next person that goes into that seat, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: because you know that the president's influence will be listened

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Speaker 1: to and you will act on some of the things

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Speaker 1: that he's asked for. Right, he's been saying that we

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Speaker 1: need to lower rates. It's funny because we had three

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Speaker 1: rate lowering happening during twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't even expected, right.

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Speaker 4: Surprisingly, Yeah, I was gonna say that.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of twenty twenty five, it was like we

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Speaker 3: We got three.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the minutes from all those meetings,

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Speaker 1: the person who was fighting for those rate cuts was

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Speaker 1: Jarron Powell. He was a guy that was actually fighting

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Speaker 1: inside those means to make sure that we had three

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Speaker 1: rate cuts to attack them because you wanted more. It's ridiculous. Now,

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Speaker 1: what does it say for the market. It's interesting, man,

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Speaker 1: you think about the past week, Like you said, Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about institutions can't buy single homes anymore. You're

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Speaker 1: talking about having a freeze on interest rates at ten

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Speaker 1: in let's say a ten day span. Typically this crash

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Speaker 1: is a market yep, but here we are resilient still, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we didn't see a thousand point drop or five

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Speaker 1: was like, okay, there's gonna be some ramifications from an

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Speaker 1: indictment from the FED chair. But I mean it wasn't

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Speaker 1: something that's right, It's just it's so it's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Man, risk is.

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Speaker 4: Back on and no one cares about the long term

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Speaker 4: ramifications even with him one and more interest rates cuts.

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of Er five with the banking and

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Speaker 4: subprime crisis. Everyone's thinking short term. And to be very clear,

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Speaker 4: even with this point with the FED chair, he wants

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Speaker 4: to do what he needs to do so his legacy

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Speaker 4: is intact. When he leaves office, he's not thinking about

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Speaker 4: the betterment of the country at all.

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Speaker 1: So right, I feel like that's been the consensus we've

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Speaker 1: seen that over. I think he's going to be it'll

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Speaker 1: be a year on the twenty first, right since he

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Speaker 1: was sworn in as president when he's thinking about his legacy.

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Speaker 1: From day one, he's thinking about his legacy, whether it

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Speaker 1: it's all been about his legacy, and it's gonntinue to

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Speaker 1: continue to be that, including the fetcher that you know

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Speaker 1: that he'll pick.

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Speaker 3: Well, the crazy thing is that he picked he picked

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Speaker 3: your own power. True.

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Speaker 4: So well, some people would say that that was a

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Speaker 4: forced pick. That wasn't his true pick that he wanted.

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Speaker 4: That's who he could have selected at the time, allegedly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but it's under his it's under his legacy.

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Speaker 2: Gotta he got a chance to pick that. The FED

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Speaker 2: shair he picked your own power. Okay, he don't like him,

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Speaker 2: so he definitely wants he has who he wants to

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Speaker 2: be the next FED chair and I think that he's

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: As far as the consolidation of power.

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Speaker 2: And one of the main things that makes the American

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Speaker 2: quote unquote democracy different from a you know, monarchy or

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Speaker 2: tutarian type stat is that there's different branches of government

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Speaker 2: have different powers, and some branches actually are independent of

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Speaker 2: the government, like the Federal Reserve, where in the traditional

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Speaker 2: you know, kingdom, the king has pretty much a saying

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Speaker 2: anything that happens from the military to the federal Reserve

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Speaker 2: system to you name it. And one of the things

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Speaker 2: is everybody who probably twenty twenty five was talking about

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Speaker 2: the main themes in Project twenty twenty five was to

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Speaker 2: consolidate power power yep, and that's what he's doing. He

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Speaker 2: did it with the Justice Department and now he's doing

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Speaker 2: it with the Federal Reserve. As far as to really

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Speaker 2: be aggressive and pretty much saying like, if you don't

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Speaker 2: do what I'm gonna what I want you to do

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Speaker 2: is gonna be you know, extreme consequences for that, and

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Speaker 2: try to force force a new Federal Reserve chair in.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty unprecedent. I think it's ever actually been happened before.

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Speaker 2: So it's unprecedented times that we're living in. But it's

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Speaker 2: not surprising if you really, you know, studied the playbook

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Speaker 2: that they said they were gonna do.

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Speaker 3: It's not a secret. We're all denied.

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Speaker 4: Remember I remember when you first started posting it and

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Speaker 4: everyone was like, oh, this is fake. And all of

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Speaker 4: them are quiet, even in the Minneapolis issue. And we'll

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Speaker 4: talk about that on Blackout, but everyone's quiet. Who said

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Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five was fake almost following it line

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's either your negligent about it or

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Speaker 1: complicit with it, right, Like it's either or Like if

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Speaker 1: you required that means all right, well it's happening, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, they said it would, but it's.

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Speaker 3: It's just is it surprising? I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's surprising, right, Like even from

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Speaker 1: the world of investing, right, like when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: lowering interest rates, Yeah, that help stocks out for sure?

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Speaker 1: Does it help tech companies one hundred percent? But even

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Speaker 1: you know, thinking about it's like the way that Powell

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Speaker 1: actually went into a recession. We had a bull market,

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Speaker 1: a bear market, we had all these things.

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Speaker 3: It was a soft landing.

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Speaker 1: There was stagflation, it was inflation.

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Speaker 3: We still managed all of that.

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Speaker 1: Like, I feel like that the tarnishing of his legacy

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Speaker 1: is well with with what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, the proof speaks for itself, right, you

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Speaker 4: can't argue with his plan. That's the job most people

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Speaker 4: wouldn't want. I wouldn't want it. He I think he

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Speaker 4: managed that incredibly well. Give him the disaster that was

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Speaker 4: him now because of a personal vendetta when he helped

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Speaker 4: save you is insane.

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Speaker 1: He actually did the thing you wanted, he just didn't

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Speaker 1: do it. That's frequently.

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Speaker 2: So from a stock market standpoint, like I said the

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Speaker 2: last FED chair, she said that this is going to

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Speaker 2: have a negative impact on the market, maybe not in

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Speaker 3: So is this going to be bad for the stock market?

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Speaker 4: As I stated last week, I think the first half

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Speaker 4: of the year would be great. Around the time we

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Speaker 4: get a lovely cover for invest Fest, get your ticks

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Speaker 4: to invest Fest. Around that invest Fest time, oh, we're

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Speaker 4: going to see some turbulence and that's the best time

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Speaker 4: for you to be there, for me to be able

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Speaker 4: to guide you on what to do. But the second

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Speaker 4: if we're they're talking about taking Greenland, the talks of Columbia,

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