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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, August twenty six, twenty twenty, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Episode number sixteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: I am live from the virtual s WBC Mortgage Studio.

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Speaker 1: I got Dave Hellman, Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia along with me,

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Speaker 1: and we got an hour of Cowboys talk for you

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Speaker 1: guys right here on the Break. We're going to get

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Speaker 1: into a lot of topics today. Actually, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: some camp battles. Cowboys about halfway through training camp at

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Speaker 1: this point. It's hard to believe, but in proximbly two

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Speaker 1: and a half weeks, Cowboys will be playing their first

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Speaker 1: game against the Rams in Los Angeles. But we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about some camp battles. We have about six different

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Speaker 1: positions that we're going to talk about, some different players

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Speaker 1: and how they're performing, how they're competing. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, we have to start with a topic

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about many times on this show before

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Speaker 1: and thought we were done with the topic until late

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Speaker 1: last week when Earl Thomas became available because the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens cut him. So let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: this guys. Jerry says yesterday in an interview that he

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Speaker 1: did with our local radio partner, The Fan, we're just

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Speaker 1: weighing where we are on the roster right now. He

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Speaker 1: was noncommittal that the Cowboys would actually have interest in

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Speaker 1: signing him, but he also made it clear that anybody

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Speaker 1: reporting that they are not interested doesn't know what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about. So I'll start first with just Earl Thomas

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Speaker 1: as a player based upon what the Cowboys have right

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Speaker 1: looking at the roster, looking at their own safeties. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think Earl Thomas would rate relative to those guys?

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Speaker 1: Does he come in, Is he immediately much better, becomes

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Speaker 1: better than anybody on the team at safety. He's better

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Speaker 1: need to see more tape of Darien Thompson or Xavier

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Speaker 1: But in my mind, he's still head and shoulders above

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Speaker 1: him compared to all these younger guys that it's just

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Speaker 1: and we've been talking about him for what three years now,

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Speaker 1: with you, Amber. I am done after hearing all of this.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously bad. There's obviously a lot of baggage. Um. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: Da Dave. Your point is it reminds me of when

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Speaker 1: While it's troubling, the Cowboys are not in that situation.

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Speaker 1: so they're in a different boat. And Jerry nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 1: But Jerry still remembers that Charles Haley came in and

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Speaker 1: that might be twenty eight years ago or twenty seventy

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Speaker 1: And I still maintain my point that Earl is probably no,

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Speaker 1: the flexibility about corners and safeties and they're interchangeable. I

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Speaker 1: hate that mentality. Yes, it sounds great, but at the

431
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Speaker 1: end of the day, when you have that kind of flexibility,

432
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get a great guy. You're not gonna

433
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Speaker 1: get someone that's gonna be great at one specific decision

434
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Speaker 1: when they have to be moving around. So, um, I

435
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: forgot what your question was, but that's just how I

436
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: feel about it at the moment, Nick, did you have something?

437
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: I was waving at Mickey Oh walking by, I waved

438
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Speaker 1: at him, Now I did. I did go like that

439
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Speaker 1: when when she said we've been talking about safety for

440
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: three years, you might be talking about for three years.

441
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: We've been talking about it for a long time, ever

442
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: since that guy was playing. I mean, it's just never

443
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: been a position that's really been addressed. And you know,

444
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: they they've always kind of gotten away with your or

445
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: trying to get away with it, and I think it

446
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: at some point they need to do it. And again

447
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: I agree with Dave. This is I don't think it's

448
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Speaker 1: an elite player anymore. But uh, like I said before,

449
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean his last game was the Pro Bowl, So

450
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: his one year in Baltimore wasn't that bad. Not everybody

451
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: in Baltimore made the Pro Bowl that year. But you know,

452
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: it's it's it is a tricky one. It's it's really

453
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: a dilemma the Cowboys have to figure out here real

454
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Speaker 1: quick before we go to our first break. I do

455
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: want to go around the room and I want you

456
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Speaker 1: guys to tell me, do you think that this will

457
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: actually happen? Based upon everything you know right now and

458
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: what you know of the Cowboys and Jerry Jones, do

459
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: you think this happens a star with you, Amber, I don't.

460
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: This is so hard. I don't. Honestly, I don't think so.

461
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. And it's one of those things

462
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Speaker 1: I know it happens quite a few with different guys

463
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Speaker 1: where you got Jerry one in one thing, and then

464
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: a group of other people are not necessarily wanting the

465
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: same thing, and it's just that constant battle there of

466
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Speaker 1: what they like. Do they meet in the middle, But

467
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: then what's the middle? Because it's one or the other.

468
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Speaker 1: So as of right now, I would say it doesn't

469
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Speaker 1: happen all right, Nick, Yeah, I do. I'm a believer

470
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: there's smoke somewhere, there's a fire. I believe that there's

471
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: been some smoke for a long time. And I think

472
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: that this is a position of need. And I think

473
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: that he's made it clear he wants to come here.

474
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: Seattle played sixteen games that year. I don't think he

475
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: ran to every locker room. I think he wants to

476
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: be here, And you know then and here now is

477
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: better than it was when he was chasing Jason Garrett

478
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: in the locker room. You know, this is I think,

479
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: a better team. So yeah, I do think it'll happen, Dave.

480
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound too dramatic, but

481
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: I think whatever happens, I think it'll it'll say something about,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, who has the final say? Because if if

483
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: everybody was in lock step and totally felt the same way,

484
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: then the wheels would already be moving on this. You know,

485
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: he's he's been free since Sunday afternoon and it's Wednesday

486
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and nothing has really happened. I mean, if everybody in

487
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: the organization wanted him here, he'd be here by now,

488
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: or at the very least, you know, they'd be talking

489
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Speaker 1: to him or whatever. And is that still up for debate, David?

490
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: Is what was that question? Is that question ever in

491
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: the debate of who's got the final say? Is that?

492
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: Is that something that we need to figure out? I

493
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: thought we've known for thirty years. No, I guess not

494
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: that who has the final say? But basically, what I'm

495
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: trying to say is, if if Earl winds up here,

496
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: it's because Jerry Jones said no, I want this guy,

497
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: and when I say I'm not, when I when I

498
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: say I'm not trying to make it sound dramatic, I

499
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: don't think that means him and Mike McCarthy are having

500
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: a you know, knockdown, drag out fight about it. But

501
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: the sense that I get is, you know, Mike and

502
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: Will are more along the lines of, like, am maybe

503
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: we don't need to be messing with this right now?

504
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: And then you know, Jerry comes along and there was

505
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: all of this momentum building yesterday that said the Cowboys

506
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: aren't interested, and Jerry went on one oh five through

507
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: the fan and kind of blew that whole thing up,

508
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: which just goes to show that, you know, I think

509
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Jerry was sending a very deliberate reminder that hey, I'd

510
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: still have the final say here in case anybody forgot. So.

511
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen, But if it

512
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: does happen, I think it's because the owner and general

513
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: manager at it too. I will say this, I think

514
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: we're reading and I shouldn't say we, Dave. I think

515
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: you're reading this a little bit differently than I'm reading it.

516
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I look at it as in the same way it

517
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: took a long time for the Cowboys. Cowboys to come

518
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: around on a deal with Everson Griffin. Like Everson Griffin

519
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: has been out there for a while, it took a

520
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: while before they got to the point where they were

521
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: ready to make a deal. And I think part of

522
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: that was because they wanted a deal. And I think

523
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: that's the way the Cowboys operate. I don't think the

524
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in the business of saying, hey, we want

525
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas so badly that we're willing to give him

526
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: a two or three four year deal. I think they're

527
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: probably looking at Earl Thomas and thinking, hey, if nobody

528
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: else out there wants him and he wants to come

529
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: here for a one year deal, that's something that's you know,

530
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: fair but not great, then maybe we're still in the business.

531
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: And I think that's how they're looking at it. So

532
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: I think that's why Jerry was noncommittal. I think it's

533
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: about timing. I think they're gonna wait and see what happens,

534
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: and if there's another team out there that once his

535
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: service is so bad that they're willing to give him

536
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: a three or four year deal, I think the Cowboys

537
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: are out if they can let it get to the

538
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: point where Earl sees, hey, I don't have a lot

539
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: of options. I want to go to Dallas. I'll do

540
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: it on a one year deal. I'll try to go

541
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: to Robert Quinn route and try to play my butt

542
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: off this year on that one year deal and see

543
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: if I can leverage that into another deal after that,

544
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: a longer term deal after that. Then that's the way

545
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: I go. And then both parties meet because both people

546
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: are motivated or both parties are motivated to do a deal.

547
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I think ultimately that's how it gets done. So to me,

548
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: it's really about timing, and I think that ultimately will

549
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: decide whether Earl Thomas as a Dallas cowboy or not.

550
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I guess my only my

551
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: caveat there would be you get kicked off one team

552
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: for conduct detrimental three months after you're involved in a

553
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: domestic dispute. I just assume that that kills whatever leverage

554
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas had. And maybe that's not true. That's my assumption.

555
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: So you're right, you know what I mean? Could there

556
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: be a suspension coming too because of all this? No, no, no,

557
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: let's be clear. When you say a domestic dispute. Earl

558
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: was not arrested or charged with anything. It was actually

559
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: his wife that ended up in trouble. He was doing

560
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: some I know, I'm saying. I didn't want anybody to

561
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: get the wrong impression that that Earl was arrested on

562
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: domestic in a domestic dispute, or that he was involved

563
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: in a domestic violence type situation. That wasn't the situation.

564
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: He was doing some stuff he probably morally shouldn't be doing,

565
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: according to reports, but it was more his wife that

566
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: was the He was not was not arrested or charged,

567
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: but he was involved in a situation. And you can

568
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: go read and read about it if you haven't. Yeh. Hey,

569
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: I say this all the time. I know we got

570
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: to go to break, but I say this all the time.

571
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if the guy's a bad guy or not,

572
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: if he can play in the NFL, Like if he's

573
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: allowed to play, but like like she just said, it's

574
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: not going to be suspended. If he's allowed to walk

575
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: the streets based off of our you know, judicial system,

576
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: then I don't care about it. Because I'll say this.

577
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: The fans and you guys have heard me say this.

578
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: The fans don't care if Brandon Carr spends all of

579
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: his time at the community center. They don't care. Can

580
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: you cover? Can you not? Can you stop Odell from

581
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, turning you into a highlight? Can you play?

582
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: So if they don't care about the good guys, they

583
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: just want a guy who can play, then why should

584
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: we care about this? Can he play? That's the question.

585
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: If he can play, I'd bring him here. Yeah, But

586
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: it sounds more and more like this is more of

587
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: a t O issue than an eight than Antonio Brown issue,

588
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Like this is more of an issue of his personality

589
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and him classic with people, and that tends to be

590
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Speaker 1: more of the problem. And I think that's really, to

591
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: be quite honest, with a bigger issue that fans would

592
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Speaker 1: care about because that's about the locker room, right, Okay, well,

593
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Speaker 1: I mean this locker room. These leaders in the locker

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Speaker 1: this off day for the team, they'll resume practices tomorrow

643
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday of this week. Saturday, there is

644
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: no practice, and then Sunday we have our specials what's

645
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: called Cowboys Night. It'll be an opportunity for you guys

646
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of this team. We will

647
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: be streaming it live on all of our channels. It'll

648
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: be locally here on our CBS affiliate TXA twenty one,

649
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: and so you'll just have an opportunity to check out

650
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: the team. Michael Overn, Nate Newton, Bill Jones will be

651
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: hosting it. Our guys, Nick Dave Rob maybe some other guys.

652
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who all is going to be from

653
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: our team and going to be a part of that,

654
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: but we'll have a lot of different a lot of

655
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: different analysis coming from different folks throughout that practice, just

656
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: giving you guys a good look at this team and

657
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: some analysis around what has been happening in training camp

658
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: and heading into the season, so make sure you check

659
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: that out. Let's talk a little bit though about training

660
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: camp battles. I remember at the beginning of training camp

661
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy mentioned that there were He had the typical

662
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: coach speak, there's battles at every position. Every position is

663
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: about competition, and certainly that is the case as the

664
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: way the coaches look at it. But realistically there are

665
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: only a few spots, and certainly starting spots, where where

666
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that the position is kind

667
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: of up for grabs heading into camp. What I did

668
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: was identified I identified five different positions that I want

669
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about where I think there's

670
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: at least some competition, not necessarily for starting roles in

671
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: all of them, but certainly from the standpoint of roles

672
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: people that will play significant amount of time, or people

673
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: that will have unique backup spots that are about roster spots.

674
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Let's start first with the left guard position, Connor Williams,

675
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern. Let's first start talking to me about what

676
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: you've seen from both of those guys here throughout the

677
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks of camp. Let's start first with you, Dave.

678
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: I've seen Connor Williams out there doing stuff on a

679
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: regular basis. Ironically, he took yesterday off. I think it

680
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: was more of a maintenance day than anything. But for

681
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: a guy that's nine months removed from a tour and acl,

682
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he jumped right in. He wasn't on the pup.

683
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: He's getting reps from the very beginning, and Connor McGovern

684
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: is definitely mixed in. But I am under the impression

685
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: that that job is Connor Williams. And maybe that's subject

686
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: to change, but that's just how I feel so far.

687
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: I think I think he's looked good. Nick, you agreed

688
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: everything Dave said. He's doesn't look like a competition to me.

689
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know, we don't get a chance to really

690
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance to talk to players at

691
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: all or receive them. We got the chance to talk

692
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: to Connor the other day, Connor Williams, and you know,

693
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: he just seems I don't know, it seems like he's

694
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: ready to take this year on differently, third year now,

695
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: this is this is a big season for him, and

696
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I think this is not really much of a competition. Amber.

697
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: I agree, and I mean not to say Connor mcgoverny.

698
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I think he's been doing a good job so far,

699
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: but at the same time, what I've seen from him,

700
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: you can tell he still needs growth. He's still I mean,

701
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: remember he barely had a season last year. He was

702
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: out with the injury, the pectorial injury, and that really

703
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: hurt him in his development. So this year, I feel

704
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: like he's backing his rookie year, doing the things that

705
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: you usually see a rookie doing the first year. And

706
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: he's doing a good job so far, but just not

707
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: at the level to be right there competing with the

708
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: other Connor Williams right now, actually, Aber, I want you

709
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about Connor Williams and his trajectory.

710
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I know, for fans out there that don't know, we

711
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: actually have a documentary, a Deep Blue documentary we're gonna

712
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: be putting out in about a week and a half

713
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: from now. That Amber that you put together. You did

714
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: the whole thing really really well done, really great storytelling,

715
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: but in the you kind of dive into his trajectory,

716
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: his story, and particularly one of the things that struck

717
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: me was kind of how he had to manage those

718
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: injuries earlier in his career and how you know, it's

719
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of a part of his bigger story. So

720
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Connor's story and and just

721
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of the whole trajectory of Connor Williams to the

722
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: point that he is now well. I think that Connor Williams,

723
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's gonna fight, He's gonna fight back,

724
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to do his best to do what

725
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: he needs to do in order to succeed. He was

726
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: a guy that growing up got bullied a ton, and

727
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: we know that usually when that happens, if you are

728
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: someone that's able to overcome that in your life, you

729
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: tend to turn out really good. You know, you tend

730
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: to overcome all those issues. And right above and Connor,

731
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: he's just a guy that honestly, even when we don't

732
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: see him at games or whatever and you may think, oh,

733
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: he was injured, he's still gonna be in the in

734
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the gym, working out, doing the reps, doing the things

735
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: that he needs to do, you know, in order to

736
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: accomplish what is being asked from him. I think another

737
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: thing that he was able to do was build a

738
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: really good relationship with Travis Frederick during his time that

739
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: he was still here, and he was able to not

740
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: only get the you know, physical aspect of it and

741
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the strength that he needed, but also the knowledge, which

742
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: is super important when you know a guy like that

743
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: on the line. You need to have that knowledge, the communication,

744
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: learn and know what your role is. And I think

745
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: that he's been studying, he's been working hard, and he's

746
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna be good. He's gonna do a good job. Will

747
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: be running that that documentary on Sunday, September sixth, so

748
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: makes you guys check that out. We'll run across all

749
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of our channels. It's really really good story, well done

750
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: by Amber um Let. Let's watch another position. Let's talk

751
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: about three technique. Um Obviously that this is has kind

752
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: of gotten wide open now with Gerald McCoy going down

753
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: and then being released. But you got Tyrone Crawford who's

754
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: been a mainstay, and I think primarily he's gonna be

755
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the guy that you would expect on opening day, will

756
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: be the guy that will be the starter. But let's

757
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: talk about the young guys, Neville Gallimore and and Tristan Hill.

758
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what you guys have seen from

759
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: those two players particularly and how they've performed relative to

760
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: one another. Let's start with you Dave. Yeah. I think

761
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I said when Gerald went down that they needed one

762
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: of those two guys to step up. And to this point,

763
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna be Tristan hill Um. And

764
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, we do this every year. I don't I

765
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be in Dominican Sue. I'm

766
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: not saying it's he's gonna be an all pro, but

767
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: he's getting reps. He's getting reps against the good players.

768
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: He's consistently having good reps. You see him pushing the

769
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: pocket and just think things. He looks active, um And

770
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: I can't to this point say the same thing about Neville,

771
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: and that's it's it's it's something that happens every year.

772
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a top one hundred draft pick. You

773
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: have high hopes for him, but that is a position

774
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: where we have often seen growing pains and Gallimore not

775
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: to say he looks terrible. Um. He actually he had

776
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: a he had a fumble that he knocked the ball

777
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: out of Benda Nucci's hand the other day. But you

778
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: just haven't seen that consistent disruption and and for that matter,

779
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him get as many opportunities to go

780
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: against the studs um So, I you know, for me,

781
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: it's it's Tyrone Crawford and Tristan Hill fighting for the

782
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: most playing time at that position right now. Nick, you know,

783
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I think that there's a wild card that could that

784
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: could kind of create a domino effect there, and that's

785
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Justin Hamilton. He's he's six two, three hundred and fifteen pounds.

786
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: He's not as big as Don Tari Poe, but he's

787
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: definitely bigger than anybody else on the team. He could

788
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: be a one technique and what that does is that

789
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: might move Antoine Woods to a spot where they need

790
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: to use him in the three. So it'll be interesting

791
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: to see how all that shakes out. But I know

792
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Justin Hamilton is starting to create a little bit of

793
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: buzz for what they like there in the middle, and

794
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: then we'll just figure out, you know, how it all goes.

795
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna cut ties with Tristin Hill

796
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: or Neville Gallimore for that matter, So that might be

797
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: a position that they kind of go long, just trying

798
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: to figure out where everyone goes. And maybe Tyrone doesn't

799
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: play as much tackle as we think. If some of

800
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: these guys move up, he can be a backup defensive

801
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: end amber. I think Gallimore has been doing a good job.

802
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: But to me, the one that has been standing out

803
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: is Tristan Hill. Compared to last year and what we

804
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: saw from him, I feel that his movements and I

805
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: wrote this the other day, he's moving with purpose now,

806
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: as opposed to last year where he just looked lost.

807
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: He was will try his hardest, but sometimes it just

808
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't working how you wanted it to work.

809
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: But this year he's moving with a purpose. He's just pushing.

810
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: He brings the energy to practice, and that's something that's

811
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: super important. One of the things that I noticed from

812
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: a player, For example, Jalen Smith a couple of years ago,

813
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: when he started out, he was just all over the field,

814
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: and now you see that transition when a player learns

815
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to go and just becomes more confident.

816
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean that when it translating into the field, it's

817
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: it's impressive to see the growth there. Yeah, I think

818
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: we were all somewhat disappointed in what we saw from

819
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: Justin Hill last season. Has what you've seen this season

820
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: changed your opinions of maybe where he is or or

821
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: his trajectory at this point based upon what you've seen

822
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: so far in training camp. I'll start this time with Nick. Yeah,

823
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: I think so. And you know, he's getting some high

824
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: parase from people that matter, Jerry Jones, for one, who

825
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: is obviously listening to other people talk as well. You know,

826
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't probably see every minute of the practices and

827
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: all the behind the scenes stuff with Jim tom Sula,

828
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: his d line coach, was was really raving about him

829
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: the other day and how he's always got his you know,

830
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: he's always got his head in his in this you know,

831
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: playbook ready, you know, looking trying to get better, asking

832
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: questions a lot. So you know, he's doing everything right.

833
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: He's got an opportunity now with McCoy gone, so yeah,

834
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of lining up better for him. And maturity

835
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: was always something that people were referencing when they talked

836
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: about him, and you know it's early, but but it

837
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: does look like he's taken a better step in the

838
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: right direction. Amber. I think so he right now. I mean,

839
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: the fact that he's being talked about is huge. He's

840
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: making himself not be forgotten. So I think that he'll

841
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: stay here and he's on the right path right now, Dave,

842
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: I sort of alluded to it already. I just I'm trying.

843
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm in twenty twenty. I'm trying to just take one

844
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: step at a time approach because at the same position

845
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: last year, you know, Malie Collins was having the best

846
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: camp ever. And I think I spent three years expecting

847
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Malie Collins to make his first Pro Bowl. I felt

848
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: confident about it every summer, and it came back to

849
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: bite me every fall. So I feel good about where

850
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: he's at. He looks really good right now. But you know,

851
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that he's just gonna take

852
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: the league by storm. I guess, but we'll see. All right,

853
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: let's move on to another position. Actually, let's go and

854
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897
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver position. We've talked so much about

898
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: the top three guys, but I want to talk about

899
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: those guys that are that are beyond those guys. It

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Speaker 1: looks like the Cowboys. We'll have to make some decisions

901
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: on probably two, three, Nick, you were talking them break

902
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: maybe four. I don't know. We don't know how this

903
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: coach is gonna heard. No, we were talking, we were

904
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: discussing that. Yeah, I was saying four, but again not

905
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: saying that they will. But we just don't know at

906
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: this point. The way I look at it is, this

907
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: is a whole new coaching staff and they're gonna make decisions,

908
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: probably very different than what we've seen in the past

909
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: because they are different coaching staff. But all that being said,

910
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of these guys that are lowered

911
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: down the depth chart and maybe how they how you

912
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: prioritize them. Guys like Cedric Wilson, Devin Smith, Noah Brown,

913
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Vintel Bryant, John Vay Johnson, and then Tevin Jones and

914
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Parker give me in priority order. Talk to me

915
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: about maybe the top two or three guys in that

916
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: list that you think have the best shot of making

917
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: this team in the four, five, and six position. If

918
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: that's what the Cowboys decide to do. Let's start with you. Dave.

919
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: It's stressful, man, because I mean it's easy for receivers

920
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: to have good camps. I get that, but like they're

921
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: all having pretty good camps for the most part, and

922
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: the way I prioritize it, there's so many different types.

923
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Cedric Wilson is Dak's favorite non starting receiver

924
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: in my opinion, just based on the work that they

925
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: do and the way they talk about each other. So

926
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: you got your quarterbacks favorite, does a little bit of everything,

927
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: can return punts. Devin Smith is probably your best speed

928
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: deep threat guy and has shown that at this camp

929
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: once again, probably the least special team's value, but again

930
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest receiver value. Then you got Noah Brown

931
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: and Ventel Bryant might as well be the same guy

932
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Bigger bodies, they can do downfield stuff,

933
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: They're useful in the blocking game. They both have already

934
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: proven on previous rosters that they have special team's value.

935
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: And then I feel like I'm forgetting somebody John bad Johnson,

936
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you got yeah, thank you, agi John Vay and

937
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: I would put John Vay last in that group. M

938
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: Parker h yeah, Aaron Parker, he probably deserves a mention.

939
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: And he just he looks different out there. He's a

940
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: big bodied guy too, M. So he's intriguing that's probably

941
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: the order I would put it. But for me, it's

942
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: basically Cedric and Noah and Brian all have special team's value.

943
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Devin Smith doesn't. And that's sort of where it gets

944
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: complicated for me, is figuring out what's more valuable amber

945
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: It's it's really tough because this guys have been so

946
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: like right there with each other. But the one that

947
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: I would say that has stood out the most to

948
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: me in recent practices has been Cedric Wilson. He's a

949
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: guy that it's just one step further than the rest

950
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: of the He's taking the lead right now for me.

951
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: But as far as the rest of the guys, I mean,

952
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: just like Dave said, these guys are just so close

953
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: to each other, and it's just comes I think it

954
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: will come down to the coaching staff and what they

955
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: prefer in those wide receivers. What kind of trades and

956
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: quality are they looking for in guys that have to

957
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: take down like the fourth, fifth, sixth position And I

958
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: forgot what you call it, but wide receiver group, nick Um,

959
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: you guys have kind of touched on them all. I

960
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: mean I don't see I don't see them really taken

961
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: more than five. They may take six, but I would

962
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: just take five and it would just be Cedric Wilson

963
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: and vinceel Briant. That would be my five. This is

964
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: a This is a you know, top three receivers are

965
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: probably the best trio in the NFL, so I don't

966
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: need my guys to be great receivers. Cedric Wilson I

967
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: think can be special teams punt returner, a backup punt returner,

968
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: and then also like a fourth receiver. He looks pretty

969
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: smooth and his routh ben Tell Brian I thinks your

970
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: best special teams guy. There's nobody else that I would

971
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: say you've got to have him on the roster. You know,

972
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, if we lost Noah Brown, you know what,

973
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: it would be no different than the last two years

974
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: when he really didn't play, John Vay Johnson, those guys.

975
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the one player y'all didn't mention that I

976
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: think it keeps standing out is Tevin Jones. He looks

977
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: pretty good to me. He's got a really big body

978
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: and he's got some speed that you're not expecting for

979
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: his size. So you know, he looks pretty good. But

980
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go along in other positions. This

981
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: to me, wouldn't be one of them. I would go

982
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: with five and call it today. I think I'm sorry,

983
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I just I want to throw this out there. I

984
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: know it was it was Randall Cobb last year and

985
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: not Ceedee Lamb. But all three of the big three

986
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: spent time hurt last year, all three of them, and

987
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: for a couple of games it was two, and it

988
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: would sure be nice to have a guy like Devin Smith.

989
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: And laughably, they were in that exact situation last year

990
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff didn't activate him for the Jets game.

991
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: So Devin Smith stood on the sideline while nobody was healthy.

992
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean this coaching staff has to do that.

993
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: So I tend to agree. I think you can get

994
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: away with going short at running back and tight end

995
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: and a few other spots. Give me six receivers. I'll

996
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: keep Cedric Devon and one of the big bodied guys.

997
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't care who. Yeah. I think the one thing

998
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: we'll have to be aware of it and that we'll

999
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: see how it all plays out once they make the

1000
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: cuts is McCarty has said multiple times in his press

1001
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: conferences since training campus began that and this is a

1002
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: mantra he has about the whole team. Guys need to

1003
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: be able to do multiple things and doesn't want guys

1004
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: that are just like one thing, right, And so I

1005
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: think that especially when we start talking about depth players,

1006
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: particularly at the wide receiver position, I think it's going

1007
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: to revolve a lot around what they can provide for

1008
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: the special teams. And the problem with that for us

1009
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: as people that are analyzing the team is that we

1010
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: aren't really seeing a lot with regards to special teams.

1011
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's no live action for us to

1012
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: be able to get a real feel for how we

1013
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: think guys play on special teams. The coaches are certainly

1014
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: being able to see based upon the drills how many

1015
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: what guys are actually doing the things that they need

1016
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: them to be able to do from a from a

1017
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: drilling type standpoint, so they'll be making that decision. But

1018
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: ultimately I want to see how much this factors in,

1019
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: and especially when we start talking about numbers. You know,

1020
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: when you start talking about a sixth or possibly a

1021
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: seventh wide receiver, it's gonna be all about the fact,

1022
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what does that guy bring from to

1023
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: you for from a special team standpoint, relative to that

1024
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: extra linebacker or you know, that extra defensive back, whatever

1025
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: position it might be. I think once you get to

1026
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: that part of the of the of the depth chart

1027
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: and that part of the roster, I think it's going

1028
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: to be all about what those guys are providing for

1029
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: special teams. I think there's gonna be an added emphasis

1030
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: on special teams this year that maybe we haven't seen

1031
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: during the Jason Garrett era. Let's go ahead and flip

1032
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: over to the tight end position real quick before we

1033
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: end the show. So far, we've seen all the tight

1034
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: ends get involved Blake Bill Dalton Schultz, and they've been

1035
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: kind of the two guys that you think are are

1036
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of battling there behind Blake Jarwin. Talk to me

1037
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: about what you've seen from those two guys particularly and

1038
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: where you think they kind of rate right rank right now,

1039
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: let's start with you, and Well, the only guy that

1040
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm all up for is Blake Jarwin. I think he's

1041
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: been doing a really really good job in every aspect

1042
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: of the game. He can blog, he can catch the ball,

1043
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: he can get separated, find an open space, and even

1044
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: when he's not necessarily the target, I think he has

1045
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: a really good connection with Dak Prescott, but after him, honestly,

1046
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who else. No one

1047
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: else catches my attention. I think that Dalton Schultz has

1048
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: been doing a better job than he was last year.

1049
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: I've seen some improvement there, but that doesn't excite me

1050
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: very much. So after Blake Jarwin, honestly, I don't feel

1051
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: great about the position. Nicky, Yeah, I mean, it's hard

1052
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: to say right now. I have seen Schultz make a

1053
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: couple more catches in the last few days. I think

1054
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: Blake Bell's gonna probably be you're You're, He's gonna be

1055
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: on the field a lot more than people think, just

1056
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: because I think he will be your best blocker. Jarwin's

1057
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: been okay, you know at times, But I think that

1058
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: that position is just going to be a product of

1059
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: how teams are playing the defense and they have to

1060
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: worry about the other spots, and I think that the

1061
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: tight end will probably be pretty good. It'll be okay

1062
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: just because you know, they're gonna get good mismatches and

1063
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna probably take advantage of it at times. But

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Speaker 1: I don't see him really standing out a lot. But

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00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't see him hurting them that much. Either Dave,

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00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: I think we gotta make a we gotta make a bet,

1067
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: like we gotta do a me Casina Dinner bet or something,

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00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: because y'all are hating on these tight ends and I'm

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00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm over here feeling I'm giddy with anticipation about these

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Speaker 1: tight ends because I think Blake Jarwin's gonna be a stud.

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of that is going to be

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00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: a product of his environment. There's Pro bowlers at every

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00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: other skill position, but he is an athletic dude, and

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00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: he can get downfield in a hurry, and Dak Prescott

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00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: loves to look for him, Like Dak has been throwing

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: down the seams more than I can ever remember. Now

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: that he's got more athletic options at tight end, I

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00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: think Jarwin's gonna have an awesome year. And I'll say

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Speaker 1: of the entire roster, I'm not saying he's gonna make

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00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I'm not saying he's gonna be great.

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: But where my expectations were for Dalton Schultz three weeks

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: ago as opposed to what I've seen, probably the biggest

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00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: jump on the entire team. He's getting a lot of

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: reps with with good players. They're using him downfield. He

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00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: had an awesome contested catch over Jalen Smith the other day.

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: He's he's been very impressive and way more active in

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00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: the passing game than I can ever remember, to the

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: point where, you know, I said in the offseason, like

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00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz might not you know, be on this team,

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00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: and now I'd certainly think he's gonna make the team. Um,

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00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: I've been I've been impressed by what they've been able

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00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: to do with him. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I think

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00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: those guys will be fine catching the ball. I think

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: that they're gonna get open. I just wonder when it's

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00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: third and two, when they put two tight ends or

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00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: three tight ends, can any of them block? Can any

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: of them hold their block? Are they all gonna be mismatches?

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00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem that I have, is that

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00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: Jarwin blocked, Jarwin can get in the way, which is

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: all I need from him. Yeah, right, I mean, and

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00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think the last seven eight years of

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's career he was getting in the way. You know,

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: he probably was getting in the way his whole career.

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: He just knew how to how to do it. So

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not pancaking anybody. Uh, That's my only

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00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: concern is, Yeah, I think they can catch the ball

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: down the field. I just wonder about thirteen personnel. I

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: don't like that at all because I don't think they've

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00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: got good matchups there. I hope, Yeah, My hope is

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00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: that thirteen personnel went to New York with Yeah. I

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: think I hope thirteen personnel went to New York um.

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00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: And I hope I hope that that's not what we

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00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: see a lot here. I mean, I know that they

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00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: obviously have something. I'm just we don't know how they're

1115
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: gonna use in games. I just hopeful that that will

1116
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: not be something we see on a regular basis. And

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I actually feel the first time

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00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: in this show agree with Dave. Like and I'm talking

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: about this episode. I've been really excited about what I've

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Speaker 1: seen from the tight Ends. Now that doesn't mean I

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: don't ever agree with you, Dave, just in this episode.

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00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: First time I've agree with you in this episode. And

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Speaker 1: I really I've been very excited about what I saw

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Speaker 1: from the tight Ends, particularly Dalton Schultz. And that is

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Speaker 1: all about Nick. You and I talked about solid time.

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Speaker 1: It's all about your expectations team, right, My expectations going

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: into this exactly my expectations coming into this camp where

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Speaker 1: that Dalton Show was that Dalton Schultz was not going

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Speaker 1: to make this team. That was my expectation. He has

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: done more than enough at this point for me to

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00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys certainly will give him a look

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00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: and he has a shot at making this team. Now

1133
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: you don't again, we don't know how they're gonna cut this.

1134
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: We don't know if they're gonna keep two or three

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Speaker 1: tight ends. My assumptions is gonna be three, and if

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be three, I think he makes his team.

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Speaker 1: But I think he has been much better than I

1138
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: expected him to be. I love what I'm seeing from

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00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: Jarlin right now, particularly down the field, and quite frankly,

1140
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: as far as the blocking is concerned, I don't expect

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of that and what those

1142
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: guys can do until we get into the season, because

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Speaker 1: training camp is just not the environment where you typically

1144
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: see a lot of a lot of great blocking that

1145
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: you can evaluate. From the Titans. You can see a

1146
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: little bit, not as much as you'll obviously see during

1147
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: the season. I think that was the whole reason that

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Speaker 1: blake Bill was brought here. So that's why I don't

1149
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: think blake Bill may be showing up as much for

1150
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: us right now when we're looking at passes down the field.

1151
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: But I do think I agree with you Nick from

1152
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: that standpoint. I think he's going to get opportunities to block,

1153
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be a very good addition

1154
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: to this team from that standpoint. What we said about Sorry,

1155
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: it goes back to what we said about Vintel Brian.

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00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: He might not he might be the eleventh best receiver

1157
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: catching the ball, but he'll make the team if he

1158
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: can be the best receiver that can play special teams.

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00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about Schultz. Schultz wasn't that great

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Speaker 1: on special teams last year. He had his issues there.

1161
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: It comes down to strength, it comes down to blocking.

1162
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: So catching a pass over Jalen Smith, that's great, but

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Speaker 1: that's probably not what they're going to ask him to do.

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: So his value of taking him to the game is

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Speaker 1: the blocking, it's the special teams, being the third tight end.

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Speaker 1: Those are things that are hard to see right now. Yeah,

1167
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: he's doing some good things on offense, better than we've seen,

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Speaker 1: But I still think his core job functions are going

1169
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: to be blocking on special teams and also blocking, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. I just wanted to throw

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Speaker 1: out I don't I don't think it would be fair

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Speaker 1: to do a whole ten minutes on the tight ends

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Speaker 1: and not at least mentioned Cole Hiccottini as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think he's looked good. He's gotten a lot of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's another more athletic tight end. He's

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: still not your big traditional blocking guy, but I do

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Speaker 1: I mean, his athleticism is really impressive. So I don't

1178
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: know if he makes the team, but I think he's

1179
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: having a good camp. I thought he would. He would

1180
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Speaker 1: challenge Dalton Schultz for a roster spot, and Dalton Schultz

1181
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: has answered the bell and from what we've seen, so

1182
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: but I thought Hiccotini would be a guy. And he's done.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, he's done a good job. All right,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys joining us. That's a rap. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week. Next Wednesday eleven am is our

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