1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hot Let's Giants 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Giants The Giants Podcast. Welcome to 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Total podcast. John Schmilk with you. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Today's guest is Giants former center and Super Bowl champion 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Sean O'Hara to kind of wrap up this season and 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: look ahead a little bit. Sean, it's gonna be with you, 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: my friend. How are you, John, Great to see you. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Happy to wrap this one up. Um, we got a 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: bottle and a ribbon, let's do it. It definitely needs 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: to be wrapped up, that's for sure. I don't think 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: any one of us we'll have any any doubts there. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: So let's kind of start here. Sewan and I've been 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: kind of taking this season and splitting it into two parts. 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: You have the first twelve games pre Daniel Jones injury, 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: then you have the final six games post Daniel Jones injury. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: And to me, that's a very important mark of demarcation 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: because once Jones went out and you had the Jake 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: from and Mike Glennon experience combined with everything going around 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: those two guys on the offensive line and a wide receiver, 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how much you could take out 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: of the final six games of the year. Yeah, no 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: doubt about it. That was a big factor in the 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: dysfunction that we saw from the Giants offense during these 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: last six games. I think even going from Daniel Jones 25 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: to Mike Glennon too, totally different style quarterbacks. Mike Glennon 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: clearly a pocket passer, um, not somebody that you're gonna 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: ask to move the pocket a lot on. You're certainly 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: not gonna run with the same conviction the r P 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: O stuff, the zone reads that you would with Daniel Jones. 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: So Dania jones impact on the run game is, you know, 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: is quadruple what Mike Glennan's impact is. So right out 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: of the gate, schematically things change, um. And then you know, 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: the thing that you would expect from Mike Glennon is 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: just that veteran savvy to understand certain protections and not 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: find himself in compromising situations because of the lack of 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: awareness and mental acuity. And yet that reared its ugly head. 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: I think anytime you're bringing in a guy like Jake 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: from off the streets or from another team that late 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: in the season, your hope is that he never has 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: to play. And yet that's where the Giants were so 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: um as much as their offense seemed to struggle at 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: times this season, once you got to Mike Glennan and 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: Jake from it really just felt like they were just 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: taking on water and everybody had a bucket, um, and 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: they were just trying to keep the ship afloat. Yeah. 46 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: And and the defense, you know, just couldn't you know, 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: quite do enough to you know, hold it off, you know, 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: moving ahead here, all right, So now we have her 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: new show and as of this recording, we're recording this 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon, just so in case something happens after 51 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: this people in Yello Jet, why don't you guys talk 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: about that. We know Dave Gentleman announce his retirement. Um, obviously, 53 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: you know the last four years, the record speaks for itself. 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: You know, the results haven't been good enough. Um. Now 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna cast a y net here trying 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: to make a decision in terms of where to go 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: with the general manager position next. When you're trying to 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: make this type of decision, and you can make the 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: argument that the general manager is the most important single 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: individual in in any franchise, in terms of making overall decisions. 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: What are some of the characteristics things that you think 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: are most important as the giants go about this decision 63 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: making process. Yeah, great question, you know. I mean I 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: think number one, as a general manager, can you evaluate 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: talent and that's at the college level, that's at the 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: pro level. Can you evaluate potential versus production? And I 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: think that's one of the biggest keys anytime you're trying 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: to rebuild a roster, because you can't just come in 69 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: and say we're gonna rebuild this entire team based off 70 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: draft picks. You know, you've got to pick your spots. 71 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: But I think the other thing that we've seen too 72 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: is relationships. You know, look at Brian floor is his 73 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: surprise firing out in Miami, and it wasn't because of 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: the fact that he's not a good coach. It's that 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: he didn't have It was an excellent old stuff that 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: made that decision. Definitely was not scheme. It was not 77 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the fact that he lost the team. I mean that 78 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: that team was playing and they won seventh straight. It 79 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: was the relationship with the coach. So I think relationships 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: at the general manager manager position paramounts almost everything. And 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I think it's not just relationships with your coaching staff, 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: but its relationships around the league. Guess what, you're a 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: general manager, you better have a good relationship with the 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: other general managers in the league because that's who you're 85 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: calling to make deals with. The word calling to find 86 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: out about a player, or hey, what do you want 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: to do with this draft pick coming up? Or you know, 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: do you want to make a move? So all of 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: those things, um, I'll play a factor. And then, of 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: course the elephant in the room is, you know, you 91 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: bring these general managers in for interviews right now, and 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: it's okay, what is your plan? We you know, we 93 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: think Joe Judge deserves another year. Are you okay with that? Um? 94 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: Or maybe the question is, you know, if you come 95 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: in for the general managers, you know, tell me who 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: your coach is right now? If we didn't have a coach, 97 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: who would you hand pick and hand select and in 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: from there? The Giants have to make a decision. So 99 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: as many questions as we had during the season about 100 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: the direction of this team, I feel like there might 101 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: even be more questions now given the situation. No, Sean, 102 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I agree with how important to you is the experience 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: of the guy that you're hiring. Do you want someone 104 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: that's done the job of job, you know, done the 105 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: job before, that has some experience as a GM, as 106 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: a president of football operations? Uh, do you focus on 107 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy that has more of a college scouting background? 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Do you like the pro scouting guys? You know those 109 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: can cross over to a little bit in terms of 110 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: that experience. What are you looking for? Are you just 111 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: looking for the philosophy of the program that the guys 112 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: coming from? What are you what are you looking at? Yeah? 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: This is a tough one. I think it's really hard, 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: by the way, it really is. Yeah. I mean if 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: if you're the Giants right now, I don't know that 116 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: you have the leash or I don't know if you 117 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: have the luxury of taking somebody who is gonna stumble 118 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: or who is going to learn on you know, on 119 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: the job, so to speak, and have some growing pains. 120 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: I don't think they have that clout right now with 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: their fan base and and and quite frankly it's rightfully so, 122 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: I think they need somebody that has done this before, 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, to use a golf analogy, you know, Look, 124 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna go play the Masters you're gonna go play Augusta. 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: Who do you want to read the greens for you? 126 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: Somebody that's been there before, that has played the course, 127 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: that understands where you can and can't put the ball 128 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: and what the brake is, or somebody that's just kind 129 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: of like, you know what, I've played a lot of golf. 130 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: I've never actually played this golf course. But I'm gonna 131 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: go out there and read the greens for you. So 132 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: I think that's where the giants are right now. Do 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: you care pro verse college scouting background? Does that impact 134 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: you at all? Well, I feel like the pro scouting 135 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: is probably more important. I think college college scouting is. 136 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's important, but you know, you 137 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: still don't know. There's an unknown factor with college players. 138 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: There's so many grey college players that just fizzle out 139 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL for whatever reason. So, you know, evaluating 140 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: and you know what look draft picks um. You know, 141 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: every year you kind of get to you get to replenish, 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: and you get you get to try over when try again. 143 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: When it comes to evaluating your current roster, evaluating the 144 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: depth of your roster as well as free agency, you know, 145 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: that's where you can really turn your team around and 146 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: where you can really benefit from the depth in case 147 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: you need it. All Right, two other questions on this 148 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: front here showing just again to the nitty gritty a 149 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: little bit. How much do you look at how the 150 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: candidates prior team went about building their success? Right? The 151 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: New England Patriots built to their success a lot different 152 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: than the Kansas City Chiefs built to their success, which 153 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: is different than how the Tennessee Titans built to their 154 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: success or the Buffalo Bills of the San Francisco forty. 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Are you looking to you know, throw all over the field? 156 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: You want to run it? Are you a defensive team? 157 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: How much does that impact you know, how you know 158 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: how you want to build your team and see your 159 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: team play based on who you want to bring in. 160 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Do you just say, well, I'll trust the vision no 161 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: matter what the styles. How would you approach that given 162 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: New York, the location, the weather, all that stuff kind 163 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: of all put together into one. Yeah, I think it 164 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: really it's gonna come down to order your priorities based 165 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: off that discussion, because you know, I look at a 166 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: lot of those aspects. It's like, Okay, here's the vision 167 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: for the team that I want to build and for 168 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: anybody that plays fantasy football, you have a vision for 169 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: who your fantasy team is gonna be. Are you getting point? 170 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, where in that pick? Is it 171 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: a snake draft? Is there? Like? Okay, if I've got 172 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: the first pick, this is crucial because I'm not gonna 173 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: get another pick, you know, and until twenty picks is 174 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: as opposed if I'm in the fifth pick, um and 175 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: then you know, as you sit there and say, okay, 176 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: there's the five guys I really want, and then they're 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: all gone. They're not they're available, So you have to 178 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: adjust on the fly. So I think it's you know, 179 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: what are your prioritizing If you're coming in as new 180 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: general manager of the Giants, what position group are you 181 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: going to prioritize? Obviously the Giants have two very high picks. 182 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: Do you take one player with one pick trade back 183 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: with the other to accumulate uh, some more currency? I 184 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: think all of those things are in play. But I 185 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: think you have to look at really the Giants offense 186 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: and say, all right, we've got to fix this. This 187 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: is where we're starting in Any general manager that walks 188 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: into that door for an interview, that better be your 189 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: first answer. They're gonna You're gonna move you to the 190 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: bottom of list, Like we are going to score some points. 191 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: In an NFL where the rules are are angled towards 192 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: the offense winning and towards the offense scoring, the Giants 193 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: has somehow found a way to not score. And that's 194 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: got to be the number one priority. I think that's 195 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: very very very well sential. And just a note, I 196 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: think the interesting thing whoever ends up getting this job, 197 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: and now let's kind of look ahead now a little bit. 198 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: They're not gonna have a lot of salary cap space 199 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: to work with here, given what the Giants cap situation is, 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: but they do have those draft picks. You they have 201 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: five picks in the first they're also selecting a pick 202 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: number five and pick number seven in the first round 203 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: in a draft that is very deep in terms of 204 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: the fronts of both the offense and defense, which is 205 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: I think is kind of where the Giants focus is 206 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: going to be here, right, Yeah, that actually works right 207 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: into the wheelhouse. Um, you know, I think pass rushers 208 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: in protecting the pass or need to be like options 209 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: one and two here, Yeah, no doubt about it. And look, 210 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: that sounds like football cliche. You know, you hear a 211 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: lot of teams talk about while we gotta win the trenches. 212 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: But like I look at the Giants. Okay, first and foremost, 213 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: what do you have to do? You've gotta win your division? 214 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: Be competitive. Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Look at where 215 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: they are excelling right now. They they've had one of 216 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the best offensive lines in the NFL the last few years. 217 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: They have perennial Pro bowlers at guard, at tackle. Um, 218 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: and dude, not to mention the pass rushers on the 219 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: other side. Right now, they've got Mica Parsons, Randy Gregory, 220 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: de Marcus Lawrence. I mean, they they've got that figured out. 221 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: You know. Washington look at their defense. Um, you know, yeah, 222 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 1: they've got some guys injured, but they've they have invested 223 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: their first round draft capital in that defensive line. And 224 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles have lived on their offensive and defensive lines 225 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: for a decade. Yeah, and you know the Eagles in 226 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs now and then they've done it with um, 227 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, doing a great job up front. So for 228 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: the Giants that that absolutely has to be where some 229 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: of the investments come in. And you know what, it's 230 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: not just about you know, investing money in that, it's 231 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: investing money in the right players. Because look, the Giants 232 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: drafted and used the first round pick on Eric Flowers, 233 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: and you know Justin p didn't work out. Justin Pugh 234 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Weston Richburg's second round pick go down the list. Yeah, 235 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, you can't you can't miss on that 236 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: many guys, um and so I think that's gonna be 237 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: mission number one. Uh. Look, I think the Giants, you know, 238 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: as much as Dave Gentleman has taken a lot of 239 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: heat for and he misses that he that he had 240 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: as general manager. Look, I think Daniel Jones is a 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: quarterback you can build your franchise around. And Andrew Thomas 242 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: is a part of that foundation that you're trying to build. 243 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: And Davier McKinney on defense to by the one Xavier McKinney. 244 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: I think Lorenzo Carter has started to show up. I 245 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: think Azizolari has shown you know, look, there were some 246 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: questions when he slid to the second round, and the 247 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Giants um pounced on that. So there there are some 248 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: pieces um to to both sides of this defense and 249 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: on the in the offense. All right, and now we 250 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: should talk about have a little fun here the Giants 251 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: opponents next year. Sean, I'm not sure if you've looked 252 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: at this yet. I have not. All right, So here 253 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: we go. So the Giants play obviously, they're they're three 254 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: division teams at home and on the road. Now the 255 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Giants have two other divisions that they play. They play 256 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: the a f C South, so their home against Houston 257 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, they're at Jacksonville, and they're at Tennessee. Then 258 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: they also play the NFC North. They are home versus 259 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears and the Detroit Lions. They are on the 260 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: road against the Green Bay Packers in the Minnesota Vikings, 261 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: and there are two wild card teams based on record. Uh, 262 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: the extra sevent game is gonna be a home game. 263 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: That's against the team that finished in the same places 264 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: them in the a f C North, which, believe it 265 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: or not, when all the you know pedals fell off 266 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the flower and that being the Baltimore Ravens. So the 267 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: John's host of Ravens next year, they finished in the 268 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: last place. Who would have thought that before the year started, right, 269 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: And then they have to go to the team that 270 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: finished in the same place as they did in the 271 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: a f C West. That's the Seattle Seahawks. Again, who 272 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: would have thought they would be the last place team 273 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: in the West. They yeah, mcst I apologize. And then 274 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: they get the host the team that finished in the 275 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: same place as they did in the NFC South, and 276 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: that is the Carolina Panthers. So that's your schedule. And 277 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: I guess the way I'll look at this is that 278 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: when two of the divisions you're playing have two teams 279 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: that fired their coaches already because they we already happy 280 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: and had the team web, it's probably a little bit 281 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: easier than having to play the a f C West 282 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: and the NFC South. Yeah, no doubt about it. And 283 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: look when the reality is when you finished last in 284 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: your division, you're gonna play an easier schedule anyways because 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: you're playing, uh you know, the teams that you're playing 286 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: um in within those divisions are all in the same 287 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: position that you were in. Soh look that that schedule 288 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: is is going to be interesting. Obviously you mentioned the 289 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: NFC North and you know, who knows what the Green 290 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, Whole Adams, they're probably gonna franchise tag him, 291 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers maybe he's there, maybe he's not, Maybe 292 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: he's at another team within that division. We saw Brett 293 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: fav do that, right, he went from Green Bay to Minnesota. 294 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: You imagine what that would be like if you went 295 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: to the Yeah, it'll be wild. I mean, and you 296 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: know Chicago. Obviously with Chicago and with Minnesota with new 297 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: coaching staffs, um, they could look remarkably different. But obviously 298 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: from Minnesota at offense is going to be who they 299 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: are with Kirk Cousins, with Dalvin Cook, with Justin Jefferson, 300 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Adam DeLand, that's gonna be a tough out for any defense. Um. 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: And then you know, I think when you look at 302 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: and by the way, you mentioned quarterbacks. By the way, 303 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: who knows the Russell Wilsons in Seattle. That's another one, right, Yeah, yeah, 304 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of banter with that, so 305 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: that could be interesting. I think the an FC South, 306 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: that division is a tough division. Now. I know Houston, Um, 307 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: they've gone through a lot, and Jacksonville kind of flopped 308 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: around quite a bit this season, right, that's a good verb, 309 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: the flopping around. Yeah, and then all of a sudden 310 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: they beat the Colts at the end of the season. 311 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: And look like a totally different team. So, um, Colts Titans, 312 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Titans and the number one seed right 313 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: now in the a f C. I don't think anybody 314 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: saw that one coming. Um, so yeah, it's it's gonna 315 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a tough challenge. Let's let's hope 316 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville is in December. I'll tell you what. You better 317 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: stop the run. You have Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor 318 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: coming into town. You better and youre Dalvin Cook, you 319 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: better stop the run next year about um? All right, John, 320 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: I guess his final thoughts for you. You know what's 321 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: on top of mind here as the Giants head into 322 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: their offseason looking and head too. Yeah, there's a lot 323 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: to unpack here obviously. Um you know, I think, yeah, 324 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: the challenge for the Giants fans right now is to 325 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of wrap their head around, all right, what are 326 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: we looking forward to? And you know, with so much 327 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: uncertainty anytime you change code shooes or change leadership. Um, 328 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think the the you cannot communicate enough, 329 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, and that's within the building and that's with 330 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: with people outside the building as far as what your 331 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: plan is. So, um, you know, I look at this 332 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: last season, it was such an injury riddled season. I 333 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: think the one thing that if you're a Giants fan 334 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: right now, pray for health, pray for the roster that 335 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: you start training camp with that it looks it's somewhat 336 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: resembles what you started with at the end of the season. 337 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: And I think the Giants two years in a row, 338 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I have just been completely decimated by the injury bug. Um. 339 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, they've led the NFL and players on I 340 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: R two years in a row. And as much as 341 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: people are gonna gonna want to figure out what's the issue, 342 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: who's the blame, that's just how the cookie chromos sometimes 343 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL, you know, the Baltimore Ravens went through 344 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the same stuff every week. They seem to lose a starter, um, 345 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: and that's been a challenge. But I think for Giants fans, 346 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: this is a time for reflection, time for grieving, and 347 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: then we're gonna need you because guess what the combines 348 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: coming up, free agencies coming up. Um, Despite you know, 349 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: being a little bit handcuffed with some salary cup stuff, 350 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I expect there to be some some big moves that 351 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: Blake Martinez was a great signing. Um, you know, nobody 352 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: would have seen him getting hurt. I don't think he 353 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: missed the game in his entire career until this injury 354 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: this year. So getting him back, maybe picking up somebody 355 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I like that to compliment him on the defense would 356 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: be nice. But having two big picks in the draft, um, 357 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: you know this draft could be really big. You know this, 358 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: you could we could look back on this draft and 359 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: say this was the turning point for the franchise. Look 360 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: forward to it. John, Always a pleasure, always fun hanging 361 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: out with you and doing spots with the all year. 362 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: We appreciate it well. Of course touch base again. As 363 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: soon as the Giants future and really the identity their 364 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: franchise begins to come into focus, we appreciate it. Happy 365 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: to year, thanks John, Happy New Year. I'm John Schwelt. 366 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: That's the GIHNT Subtle podcast. 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