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Speaker 1: Problem solved, but Don Tyler Murray that defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who covered the teams.

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Speaker 1: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slamming the ground by Budha Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. What you don't know is well,

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Speaker 1: how bad it could have been off the top of

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Underground. Not just the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'm rusty coming off the vacation, okay, and if you

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Speaker 1: think I'm already a step slow, way, do you see

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen here in this edition. Okay, A

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's Underground. But if if I had rocked the mustache

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Speaker 1: in here instead of shaving it off about three and

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Speaker 1: a half four hours ago, man, you guys would have

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Speaker 1: been in for I would have been in for it

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Speaker 1: because it would have been fodder, no doubt, Danny Serect,

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Speaker 1: Darren Irman, yours truly poly podcast. Over here. If Max

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Speaker 1: Williams still had the mustache going, I was going to

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Speaker 1: match him this training camp because he had a great

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Speaker 1: mustache last training camp, and I so desperately had wished

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Speaker 1: I hadn't shave it off. But this time around, boom,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna go clean shaven. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: ever get a beard? No? No, that that probably that

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Speaker 1: would not be in my best interest. So now I

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Speaker 1: have to think about this for a year until your

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Speaker 1: next vacation. Well, I could show you a really bad selfie,

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Speaker 1: but I won't. Once again, I'm sparing both of you

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Speaker 1: and multiple ways here. Okay, so Olms is very familiar

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Speaker 1: with it. Over there, I've seen the mustache. I haven't.

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Speaker 1: two of them combined it had a good mustache. Once again,

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Speaker 1: I tried to compete with those two and just like

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Speaker 1: Max Williams, I'm losing it, no doubt about it. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like you should have a mustache. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: hard to grow a good mustache? If you can do it,

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Speaker 1: you should do it. When you tell me, remember who

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Speaker 1: is who is the who is the consultant that we

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Speaker 1: had come in talk to us? Paul oh boy, Yeah

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Speaker 1: from ESPN wants j j Jerry a great guy. I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed Jerry very much and we all had one on

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Speaker 1: facial hair and he was like, what this this this,

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Speaker 1: for you. And I'm like, well, thanks, Jerry, I appreciate that. Danny,

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Speaker 1: have you ever had that meeting with a consultant? The

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Speaker 1: on air consultant, because I went through this not too

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Speaker 1: long ago a Channel fifteen. She was vicious, this national consultant,

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Speaker 1: and she just absolutely obliterated my appearance. You need this,

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Speaker 1: Joe Montgomery on my own and she does more like content,

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Speaker 1: but she's really right. She definitely has opinions on things

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Speaker 1: I have worn and that I'm not allowed to wear

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Speaker 1: get into the mail bag about a potential Cardinals alternate helmet.

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Speaker 1: guess we'll see now that you've ted that up. Appreciate that, Paul, Well,

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Speaker 1: fine with me. But it was a short mailbag this

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Speaker 1: What do you think Ronnie Hudson in the fold? I

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Speaker 1: quite that straightforward, but I mean, Rodney Hudson is playing

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Speaker 1: a huge role, played a huge role on this team.

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Speaker 1: You need him for more than twelve games this year.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully keep your fingers crossed that he doesn't miss five

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Speaker 1: final iteration that saw them lose five of their last

427
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: six And I guess I'll bat leadoff there. To me,

428
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if they figured out what was

429
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: ailing and ill in this team down the stretch. I

430
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: don't expect them to share the answer. I'd love to

431
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: know if they have the answer, what happened? What went wrong?

432
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: We've heard various theories of Buddha Baker saying, oh, maybe

433
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: potentially guys got comfortable, and aj Green on that same

434
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage interview said, you know what, the leadership

435
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: might have been lacking a little bit down the stretch,

436
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: and he cited himself some of the veteran players in particular.

437
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: Did guys let up? Maybe on the little things? Wasn't

438
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: a couple of players cited and danced around. Well, maybe

439
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: there wasn't the same attention to detail. Okay, So that's

440
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: the bad news that okay, But the good news is

441
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: it's correctable. Right, It's not our offensive line stinks and

442
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: we got blown out of every game, or we don't

443
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: have the talent. To me, that says, if those were

444
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: the issues that submarine the end of this season, then

445
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: that's very correctable. And to me, that explains why there

446
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: wasn't radical change in the off season. Again, do they

447
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: know the answer? I don't expect them to share it

448
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: with us in any great detail, yes or no? Do

449
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: they have the answer to what happened the end of

450
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: last season? And can they implement changes effective immediately? There's

451
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: a couple of things that pop into my head when

452
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: you say stuff like this, Paul. I mean I would

453
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: say that Number one, everything's always correctable. I mean, unless

454
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: you just have a terrible, terrible roster, which nobody thinks

455
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals do, of course, it's all correctable. I mean

456
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: you could make that argument with a lot of teams

457
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: like that. And I think obviously this team proved in

458
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: the first half of the season that they've got some

459
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: good players then they can win games. So if it's

460
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: not correctable, you might as well just pack it up

461
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: and start pretending you're the Houston Texans, I guess. But

462
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: but if you're a three win team, then you don't

463
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: have enough talent. That's what I'm saying. They obviously or

464
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: apparently have the talent. They did have the talent, we

465
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: don't know if they have the talent this year. Obviously,

466
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: you want to learn from pieces of the previous season

467
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: that led to your demise. I guess we could say, right,

468
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: I would imagine that this team, the players who are

469
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: still here, the coaches that are still here, have internalized

470
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: what went wrong. I would feel pretty confident in saying

471
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: they would pretty much. I'll tell you they don't care

472
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: at this point. This is a new season and it's

473
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: a new team. And while it matters in the sense

474
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: of personally learning to make that correction, be more aware

475
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: of that, this time around, it doesn't really matter because

476
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: this is not the same team and they're not facing

477
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: the same teams. There's a good chance they might not

478
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: be in the same scenario they were last year, to

479
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: where whatever these physical or mental blocks they were facing

480
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: last year at the end of the season, they'll be

481
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: facing again this year. So while I understand that it

482
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: might be frustrating to think about how did this team

483
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: go from the top and then just plummet near the end,

484
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: I really would think that a lot of them would

485
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: say at this point, what's done is done, and not

486
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: even give it a second follow. Yeah, I kind of

487
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: feel the same way to me. To me, it's all

488
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: year to year, and you're You're right in terms of

489
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: the front office looking at and saying, Okay, we like

490
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: the talent we have. But I'm not a big fan

491
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: of momentum either way. I believe there can be a

492
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: little bit of a hangover if you go all the

493
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl and you're playing all that

494
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: extra football and you lose. There's some there might be

495
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: some talk about that. But even when the Cardinals lost

496
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: their Super Bowl, they end and winning ten games the

497
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: next year. I just feel like it's it's a new deal.

498
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: My My question this year has more to do has

499
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with last year. It's it's okay, Hollywood

500
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Brown is a new piece. How does he fit in?

501
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: And how much does it hurt you not having DeAndre Hopkins.

502
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: Where's the pass rush gonna come from? You know, did

503
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: you lose that much with Chandler Jones or did you

504
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: not lose that much with Chandler Jones. With all due

505
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: respective Chandler Jones, you know, like, was he making that

506
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: big of a deal to it or was he you know,

507
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know until and until they start playing those games,

508
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna have We're gonna have a really hard time

509
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: figuring it out. And the way preseason has gone, I

510
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: don't even know if we're going to get a sense

511
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: of a lot of the key players because none of

512
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: those guys play anymore. Yeah, across the league. In addition

513
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: to all those questions, what's the Cardinals offense can look

514
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: likens de hot the first six games of the year.

515
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: We know what it looked like the last six games

516
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: of the year minus DeAndre Hopkins. So what does that mean?

517
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: Are they truly gonna go with more twelve personnel or not?

518
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: Is Kyler Murray gonna be under center or not? I

519
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: would tend to say no, although there was that intriguing

520
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: comment by Trey McBride, the rookie second round pick out

521
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: of Colorado State. By the way, I ran into a

522
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: guy in the gym and he talked about he played

523
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: college hockey or whatever, and I said where. I said,

524
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: he's at four Collins and I said Colorado State and

525
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: he said Colorado State University. He corrected me, I called

526
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: it Colorado State. He wanted to make sure that I

527
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: called it Colorado State. University. It's very important to him.

528
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I thought that was a little strange.

529
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I like the subtle flex that you were in the gym. No, No,

530
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm No, that's not that's I get

531
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: dragged to the gym. That's another story. I believe me.

532
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm not there on my own volition or want, although

533
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: definitely need. But in terms of this Cardinals offense, what

534
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: exactly is it going to look like minus DeAndre Hopkins

535
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: and can they be effective? That's another big question that

536
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: we won't get an answer to in the preseason obviously,

537
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: So is it gonna look a lot different? Can I

538
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: was just thinking, So, I was just thinking in my head,

539
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty sure every part of the offense feels

540
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: like there's a significant change. Really, I mean, okay, has

541
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Hopkins. He was just saying in

542
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: general the offense. So he just said without DeAndre Hopkins,

543
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: they often look different. See when I hear you say that,

544
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that feels like the question is the offense

545
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: as a whole. Is it gonna look like one way

546
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: when he's not there and then another way when he

547
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: is there? And I don't know how you would do,

548
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: though I guess it should, Clare, I don't mean like

549
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: schematically necessarily. I'm not saying they're gonna go out there

550
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 1: and run third personnel and one back and three titans. Yes,

551
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean more performance because we all saw the offense

552
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: bogged down and we can cite all the metrics you

553
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: want as to what they look like with and without

554
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Last year it was a vast difference in

555
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: performance and production. So what are they going to be like?

556
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: For example, is a Rondale More really gonna be an

557
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: effective downfield receiver or not? We don't know. Can Trey

558
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: McBride truly step in right away and be a viable

559
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, two weight tight end from the get go

560
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: of Max Williams is not available? And then how would

561
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: that dictate what Cliff Kingsbury wants to do on his

562
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: play sheet? So there are a lot of these different

563
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: questions that you know, Hollywood Brown, to Darren's point, okay,

564
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, how exactly is that gonna fit and where

565
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: exactly is that going to impact this offense the most?

566
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: So all I know is the last time we saw

567
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: the Cardinals offense, it was struggle Lane minus DeAndre Hopkins

568
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree on that front right there.

569
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: But is it also because they for whatever reason got

570
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: away from the run a little bit, which several players

571
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: and coaches have sighted over the course of the off season.

572
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: Will there be more of that renewed focus on the

573
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: run game like we saw over the first half a

574
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: last season, where seemingly they had more of a balanced

575
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: offense run versus pass. You can't some of that is

576
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: going to be dictated about how good you can do it,

577
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: like it doesn't just because you get running attempts doesn't

578
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: mean it's meaningful. Like you can't if you're if James

579
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: Conner is struggling to get four yards to carry, which

580
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: he did a lot of the time last year, and

581
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: it's not like he didn't have a really good year,

582
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: but you know, you're not going to be able to

583
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: just grind out yards like that. It's just I don't

584
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: think this team is built like that. I think this team,

585
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: with the defense it has, I think this team is

586
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: best when it's scoring some points. And you look at

587
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: who they got to play right away. I mean, if

588
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: you're playing the Chiefs, it might help to run the

589
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: ball a little bit and keep the ball away from

590
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, but you got to make sure that it's

591
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: going somewhere. I'll give you an example. Drew stan former

592
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Cardinals quarterback what thirteen years in the league, on a

593
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: recent Red Sea report, said just big picture. He said,

594
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, when the Cardinals offense bogged down, they couldn't

595
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: run the ball. And he said, with more tight ends.

596
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: We were talking about the addition to Trey McBride and

597
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: if Max Williams is going to be healthy this year,

598
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: he said, just the tight ends allow that much more

599
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: versatility in the play calling. For Cliff, they don't show

600
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: your hand as much, so that I guess that would

601
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: be one aspect of what I'm saying. Is that something

602
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: they institute more of minus DeAndre Hopkins over the first

603
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: month and a half. Probably it's just so hard at

604
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: this point, I understand asking the question. It's just so

605
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: hard when we haven't really seen anything, right, Like having

606
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown completely changes everything from you know what we

607
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: thought when we first learned Deandrew Hopkins was going to

608
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: be suspended. So it's it's just hard, I feel like

609
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: to think at this point of you know, as Hollywood

610
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Brown going to start requiring that double coverage or is

611
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: he not? And it's going to be him and AJ

612
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: Green and you can use Brondol Moore a little more.

613
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: It's just I wish I had a better answer. That's

614
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: just kind of how I feel at this moment. And

615
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: that's why it's obviously having DeAndre Hopkins when he comes back,

616
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: is going to be completely changed this offense. But still,

617
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: is de Hoop going to get double coverage and leaf

618
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Hollywood open? Is that going to completely change everything? It's

619
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: still I feel like Hollywood himself just having him here

620
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: just completely changes everything. Well, it certainly changes everything when

621
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: you talk about whether you have him or not and

622
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: didn't have DeAndre Hopkins. I mean I think if you

623
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: didn't have Hollywood Brown, and let's say you drafted a

624
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: receiver but not in the first round necessarily, and you

625
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: drafted a second or third round receiver, I mean, this

626
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: receiving corps would look way different. You'd have to completely

627
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: lean on AJ Green and Rondell Moore better be a

628
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: star right away, Whereas right now you can have AJ

629
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Green be probably what he is right now, which is

630
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: give you some stuff down the field when he can

631
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: just AJ Green's game right now reminds me so much

632
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: of Fits his game later in his career. Unfortunately, Fits

633
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: didn't always get one on one coverage. But you can

634
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: do some stuff where you just throw it up to

635
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: him and aj Green will go get it. Because he's

636
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: just bigger than other guys. He's not going to get

637
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: a lot of separation. I remember seeing somewhere on social

638
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: media somebody was talking about the amount of separation as

639
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: a team that the Cardinal pass catchers got last year

640
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: was not good. And we can talk about Kyler making

641
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: decisions and you know, all that good stuff, but it's

642
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: not like this team has got has had a bunch

643
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: of receivers that get wide open. I mean, even DeAndre

644
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: Hopkins isn't always necessarily the super wide open. And that's

645
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: why it's interesting to see what the downfield passing looks

646
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: like with Hollywood and Rondelle this year. See all the

647
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: more reason to have those valuable reps between the quarterback

648
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: and the receivers to be in the right place at

649
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: the right time. If you're not getting all that greatest separation,

650
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: then boom, you have to be ultra precise. So we'll

651
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: see the first open media session where the Cardinals come out.

652
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: If there's some team sessions and we're allowed to observe accordingly,

653
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: we'll get a sense, all right, where exactly is Rondelle

654
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Moore being deployed. We'll be allowed to observe. I don't

655
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: know how much we'll be allowed to say, right Well,

656
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: here's the biggest question though, to me, that I'm going

657
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: to keep my eye on from the get go, Zaven Collins.

658
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Is he running first team mic linebacker or not. I

659
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: don't know at what point during camp we'll be able

660
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: to report on anything like that, Danny, But I'm telling

661
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you that's where my eyes are going. Paul, I'm gonna

662
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: tell you right now, the answer is going to be yes.

663
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: They have no choice at this point. Zaven Collins is

664
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: your middle linebacker. There's no way around it. That's the

665
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: decision the team has made. Do you disagree? I feel

666
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: like I agree. I'm going to keep my eye because

667
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: I want to see how he's progressed. I feel like,

668
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's a question of whether or

669
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: not he's going to be out there with first team.

670
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't see how you don't do that. With the

671
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: decisions that were made and Jordan Hicks leaving him free agency.

672
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Just with Paul saying what he did, I'm thinking Paul

673
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: is not on our side of this. Well, that would

674
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: be too good to beat true our first podcast back

675
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: after the hiatus, if we all just agree right off

676
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the bat, there's no fun there. Let me just say this.

677
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Let me just say this both in a my defense

678
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: and be what led me to even pose the question

679
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: in the first place. Last season, the final month, when

680
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: you saw inside linebackers run out before Zaven Collins named

681
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo and Joe Walker, who God reps at middle linebacker,

682
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. It's all, let's not just presume that he's

683
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: automatically going to be running first team Mike linebacker. In fact,

684
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: himself in his one and only meeting with the media

685
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: at least most recently last month and whenever it was,

686
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: he hedged that there are different roles for him already.

687
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: There are some defenses where he's calling the D and

688
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: there's somewhere he's not. And so that's why I'm it

689
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: really piques my curiosity to figure out, all right, because

690
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: if he's not capable, if he's not ready yet, and

691
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: guess what, he didn't get a lot of meaningful reps

692
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: at Mike linebacker a year ago. So how much progress

693
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: is he really made from year one to year two?

694
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Wolf and I disagree on this, but if he's not ready,

695
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: how can he be ready? If you don't get the

696
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: game reps, then I'm just telling you Advance Joseph as

697
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: a track record of not trusting his defense to someone

698
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't deem ready to process. And it's not just

699
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: calling the defense, it's being able to react to what

700
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: the offense does right after they break the huddle, and

701
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: you got to make those adjustments in a split decision

702
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: to make sure everyone's on the same page. And I'm

703
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm not convinced the advanced Joseph is convinced

704
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: by Zaven Collins yet. Now it could be That's why

705
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching accordingly. That is fair with

706
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: the Tanner Blaze. I'm I'm agreeing that is something to

707
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: keep my eye on. I just don't see how right

708
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: off the bat, even from an optics standpoint, you don't

709
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: have Zaven and you're in your first team reps. Well,

710
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: and the other thing too, is I would say that

711
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to switch it up, it makes a

712
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: lot of sense to go ahead and put him out

713
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: there at the beginning of camp. You get two weeks in,

714
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe you make a change. But I'm putting him out

715
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: there right when camp starts, and I'm seeing what happens.

716
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: You would think so unless see so far behind mentally

717
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: that it's not even deemed feasible or viable yet. Maybe

718
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: he's not calling the defense. Maybe you know, maybe that

719
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: is just too much for him right now, Maybe that

720
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: won't ever be in his repertoire for out his career.

721
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he just, thank you, Maybe that's just not the

722
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: type of middle linebacker he's meant to be. But I

723
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: still think he will be doing first team raps. And

724
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: we've already it's already been, you know, said throughout the

725
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: off season, like maybe Zaven is not calling the defense,

726
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be your middle linebacker. So they've

727
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: already kind of given that. As to me, that says, okay, yeah,

728
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: we've already thought about that part of the plan. I

729
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: still think he's going to be, you know, first team

730
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: raps at least in the beginning. If Zaven Collins isn't

731
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: playing inside linebacker like how you picture Jordan Hicks, whatever,

732
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: but he's on the field. Does that work for you? Sure?

733
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: And once again, maybe he's better that way. It's not

734
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: the end of the world if he's not calling the

735
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: defense and not just calling the defense. What if some

736
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: plays they have him at outside linebacker on rundowns or whatever,

737
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: as long as he's on the field right sure, absolutely,

738
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: And you know what, I would not be shocked by

739
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: that whatsoever if he's an outside linebacker here and there. Really, honestly,

740
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: I could see a defense on a consistence basis where

741
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: the inside linebackers are Nick Vigil and Xavin Collins, and

742
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Vigil might be calling the defense with Isaiah Simmons playing

743
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: a glorified safety spot and only two corners on the field,

744
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and then those three safeties between Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson

745
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons are rotating between center field and box

746
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: safety and slot corner. Any one of those three could

747
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: be a slot corner. I absolutely agree with you, because

748
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: of the lack of depth right now at corner, at

749
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: least as currently constructed, and with questions at outside linebacker. Yes,

750
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: so you have a Bayern Murphy and Marco Wilson. Is

751
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: your two outside corners. One of those three safeties, including

752
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons as your slot corner, and then your two

753
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: inside linebackers, Nick Vigils Zavin Collins, and then at times

754
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: in different packages like you bring up, yeah, Zamon Collins

755
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: could slide outside. You can't tell me that what Michael

756
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Parsons did last year and what the Cardinals were forced

757
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: to do with Zavin Collins toward the end of last

758
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: season where he had to get reps at outside linebacker

759
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: because the injury issues. That that isn't somewhere advanced Joseph's playbook.

760
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just interviewed advanced Joseph recently. Danny, do

761
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: tell what exactly is going on? What are you what

762
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: are you able to tell? Come on, Okay, everybody can

763
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: hear what he says on the next episode of flight Plan,

764
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: which later this week from when we're recording. I believe

765
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: it's Friday at drops. Okay, flight Plan on our website,

766
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel. That's it. It's not I don't play.

767
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Plan will not be on the website, on our YouTube channel.

768
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: You can check it out behind the scenes contact, but

769
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: it will be on YouTube on YouTube. Did you beat

770
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: him up? Did you hit him hard? You know? Do

771
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: you hit him from all angles on the you know

772
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins and you know, different big questions based in

773
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the defense. You know what, what's the gist of the interview, Well,

774
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: this whole episode is focusing on the defense. So yes,

775
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: paul I, those players did come up and I'm not

776
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: going to share anymore. You're going to have to tune in. Wow, Okay,

777
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: it's quite the commercial, all right, Danny, So boom here

778
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: it's right back at you. Then appid fire rookie to watch?

779
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: Which rookie are you do you have your eyes on?

780
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Starting with Cardinals camp next week. I'm gonna go with

781
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: my j Sanders only because between him and Cam Thomas,

782
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: he is more of that stereotypical outside linebacker the build

783
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: and I think there will probably be a little more

784
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: versatile and how they will use Thomas as opposed to

785
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: Sanders probably being just more of that outside linebacker role.

786
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: And so that's where I want to see, you know that,

787
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: that's the rookie that I'm looking for, not necessarily to

788
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: come in and automatically have all these flashes and say, oh,

789
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: who needs Chandler Jones, but just to kind of see

790
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: what you're getting in this this young depth and the

791
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: rotation that the Cardinals are going to have to be using.

792
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I normally would have said one of the pass rushers,

793
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: but that's almost too easy in some ways. Oh gay,

794
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm gonna go with Kante Ingram because

795
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: the running back position is very interesting to me. You've

796
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: got Jonathan Ward, who's really he made himself valuable on

797
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: special teams. You signed Darryl Williams. Everybody's talking about how

798
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: great Eno Benjamin is, which we'll see how that plays out.

799
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: Like how many running backs are you going to keep?

800
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: And they seemed pretty happy to get Ingram in the draft,

801
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: but is he a guy that would end up making

802
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: it through to the practice squad if they needed to.

803
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility of keeping five running backs? Which

804
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't think, But you do need a lot of

805
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: running backs because James Connor figures to get banged up

806
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: at some point. They all figure to get banged up

807
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: at some point, because that's that's just the running back position.

808
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see where Ingram falls and if

809
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: they can get enough ups to really get a good

810
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: sense of them, giving all these other guys that they

811
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: already have ahead of them. And that's a good point

812
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: on Eno. We've heard so much about Eno Benjamin this offseason. Okay,

813
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: let's see it. Let's see if he looks like a

814
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: different running back. Let's see if he looks like a

815
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: difference maker, a playmaker. In Cardinals camp, I will I

816
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: will say there was a there was a practice, a

817
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: late Ota practice where he made a fantastic hatch of

818
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: a Kyler throw in the end zone that like, I

819
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: didn't think he had it in him, and it was

820
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: a really nice play, kind of a broken play and

821
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: he made it in the back of the end zone

822
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: and I was like that, it was very impressive. And again,

823
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. I mean, ultimately, I think

824
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: he can make plays like that. The question has always been,

825
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in pass protection, can you hold

826
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: up there? Yeah? Pass pro and then the playbook, right,

827
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: those were the two issues facing you know, Benjamin where

828
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: he kind of lost the confidence of Cliff Kingsbury. It

829
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: has been pretty vocal about how he wasn't really I

830
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you know Benjamin was when the head

831
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: coach's doghouse his rookie year, but he certainly wasn't on

832
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: the Holiday card list put it that way. So, and

833
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: you know what, Danny right back at you on this one.

834
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I had hosted a thing with Cliff Kingsbury not too

835
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: long ago, about a month ago or so. And I'm

836
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: not going to tell you the exact nature of what

837
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: he said, but it's because I'm not telling you about

838
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: flight plans exactly. It's it's but it's not just dating.

839
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: It it's not just media speaking. Eno Benjamin. He brought

840
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: up Eno Benjamin on his own to a different audience

841
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: as being impressive in the season. So I started a wonder,

842
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theories over here if they were trying

843
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: to prop up maybe his trade value. You know, Benjamin,

844
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: he's been listening to this podcast because you must have

845
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: heard your theory. Apparently he was genuine. So, uh, you

846
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go way off the grid. Since

847
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: you guys went with the edge rushers and or running backs,

848
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Nolan Cooney, the backup punter. And

849
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: you guys, you say he happened saying if there at

850
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: point and I saw somebody just wrote an article. I

851
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: think it was a special to asy cardinals dot com

852
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: State of the Position groups, right, in special teams, and

853
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: they cited right that Andy Lee at his best net

854
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: punting average ever as an Arizona Cardinal, which I didn't

855
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: quite realize that he had that good of a season.

856
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he had a bad season. What I'm

857
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: saying is this Nolan Cooney Cat he actually made a

858
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: real run at the punter job in New Orleans. He's

859
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: legit and he's a very experienced holder, so and he

860
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: also is an emergency kicker. He could even do the kickoffs.

861
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: He's got a very very strong legs. So I think

862
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: this guy actually might make a run. And I mean,

863
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Andy Lee's now forty years of age, and I love Andy,

864
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, if you're looking for someone off

865
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the grid to maybe make a run at things, at

866
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: some point, is twenty one year NFL career is going

867
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: to come to an end? You know what, Paul, I

868
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: am really pulling for you on this because you have

869
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: had a rough offseason of your predictions with Tom Brady

870
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers and where everyone was going to end up.

871
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: But I'm really pulling for you to have one. This

872
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: is before your time, Danny, But Paul has really been

873
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: living off the Kyler Murray, come for the arms, stay

874
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: for the legs thing. Wow, Oh that hurts, That really hurts.

875
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: Is Kyle back on this podcast? You know it is

876
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: true that, Um, I've had some recent swings and misses

877
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: with the Paul down to him one. No, it's the

878
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: poly Pigskin breakout player at camp. I always do this, Yes,

879
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: you do. And I'm kind of not saying Nolan Cooney

880
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: is that guy. No, not yet, No, I'm not. I'm

881
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: not ready to declare my poly Pigskin breakout player. Honestly,

882
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I need to give it more thought this year because

883
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of had a dry spell. Um. It started

884
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: pretty auspiciously back in the day Greg Toler, and then

885
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: a few years after that I had Tony Jefferson. I

886
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: nailed Tony Jefferson. Jefferson's it was okay, it was all right,

887
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: you know. And then and then I did have Max

888
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Hall one year as the Paul Pickskin breakout player camp.

889
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: And in terms of Camp, you are right. In terms

890
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: of NFL career, not so much. But recent flameouts have included, um, well,

891
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: in no particular order, the likes of UM, Chris Streveler

892
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: and Joejoe Ward in that corner on a ver For's

893
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: Zane Lewis, and there was um the Larry Fitzherl look

894
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: like receiver out of the small Chris Shawn Hogan. Uh.

895
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: That year, I think I pivoted. I somehow found an

896
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: excuse to make and I went with Ricky Seals Jones

897
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: a little later in the process then, Uh, And I

898
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: think that one got thrown out and disqualified. I did not.

899
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: I did not. That was that was the Dan Arnold.

900
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Everybody I actually had Arnold, but everybody was on board

901
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: with that. That was like one of those party waves.

902
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: It's super surfers called big Wave came up and everybody

903
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: got on it. So I got off. Um, but anyway,

904
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: I need a good one. I have to do some

905
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: more research and I have another week here before I'm gonna,

906
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, unveil it official. You have to unveil it

907
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: before we get into camp. Is that the rule? Yeah?

908
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Before they actually take the field. Guy, I actually have

909
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: to bust out the poly Pigskin breakout player at camp.

910
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: So we'll see. So does that mean okay? So for

911
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: those listening, Um, we will normally be on Tuesdays, but

912
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: next week because camp is opening on a Tuesday, and

913
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: there's some legistical issues. We'll do next week's on Wednesday.

914
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: So can you have one for Wednesday? Yep, hold me

915
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: to it next Wednesday. Next my first training camps. That's right.

916
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: I started with the Cardinals. I start a week four

917
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: last year. All right, So what does she need to know, Darren?

918
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you're a grizzled veteran of these training camps.

919
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: What does she need to know? She needs to know?

920
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: It'll be I don't know. It's so weird that the

921
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: last two years have been COVID ravaged and then yeah,

922
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: I just it just feels really different. I'm excited to

923
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: have of a lot. I mean, we are. Our department

924
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: has a lot of people that have never been to

925
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: a Cardinals training camp before. So who gonna be a

926
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: little bit of There'll be some hurdles there, Darren. Do

927
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: you ever feel like maybe a teacher taking the kids

928
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: out on a field trip, That's what this might be. Like,

929
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I used to love taking field trips.

930
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: That makes me really excited. Like where do you remember?

931
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: Do you vividly remember a field trip? Like museums? Yeah, museums,

932
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: amusement parks. Maybe I guess it's not a field trip

933
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: like a class outing. Yeah. No, we went to like

934
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: six Flags a couple of times. In fact, in growing up,

935
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: they stopped doing it. But when I was in elementary school,

936
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: we used to have fair Day, so everyone would get

937
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: off a day of school and they'd give you like

938
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: a free ticket to the state fair. I've never been

939
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: in the state fair. You know what I have here?

940
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: It was like, I've been here for less than a

941
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: month and I went there you go, So you've beaten

942
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: me there? So sorry? Is he missing a lot by

943
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: not going to a state fair? Danny? I'm in level

944
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: with him, right, he's probably not missing a whole bunch. No. No,

945
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: First of all, she's gonna say the one in Texas

946
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: is way. I was going to say it, but I

947
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: was thinking, yeah, probably, Well whatever, So I was a

948
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: vacation Who wants to flex on their vacation? Anybody have

949
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: an The boys and I Alec Eric Darren Urban three

950
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: won the UH won the the We went on a

951
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: cruise and we won the Ships three on three basketball tournament. Wow,

952
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: do you do know that there are employees here who

953
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: play pick up basketball? You should join them? I have

954
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: asked I've asked to play. That makes me sad not

955
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: invited me. I said, hey, if you ever want to

956
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: invite me, I'd love to play. Just show up. They

957
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: wont radio silence. You're not part of the Reindeer games.

958
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: What's going on? I have my thoughts, but I see

959
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: are these are these former players, like coaches and stuff

960
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: like those who are athletically inclined like these these people,

961
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: these these and police co workers are not that athletically

962
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: and these would be part of our department. Paul Danny

963
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: just unloading on our co workers. Okay, I'll tell yeah, okay, sorry,

964
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: So congrats on the wind, thank you. Okay, not bad?

965
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: All right, not good. Well, you just got back from

966
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: a while, you've our office has been No, no, we

967
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: had a few different alives. They they I wanted to.

968
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: We actually had a y vacation that fell through. We

969
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: didn't do it, so I just went back visited the

970
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: uh the grandparents for the kids. So see my parents. Yeah,

971
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: right on the Monterey base. So it wasn't about When

972
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: we drove to the airport, it was fifty eight degrees

973
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: in foggy, and then I got back to the AZ

974
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: and it was a buck thirteen. So that was a

975
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: reality checks. There's no doubt about that. Not bad. Did

976
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: some kayaking, uh, did some really poor surfing. Let's see,

977
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: went for a couple of sailboat rides, and then I

978
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: got rear ended in my old man's car. So I

979
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: was driving the kids around and got rear ended by

980
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: a guy at the light. So they okay, not only

981
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: did this was an unconventional accident. Let me just tell

982
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: you this real quick. So I'm at the light. We're

983
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: going left. There's two lanes going left on on the inside,

984
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: and a guy comes to a screeching halt behind us.

985
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: You know, you look up in your rear view and go, yes,

986
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: that guy almost didn't stop in time. Okay, so that

987
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: was that guy. And five seconds later, boom, he just

988
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: drills us from behind. The light was still red, nobody

989
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: was moving, everybody three lings with the traffic a dead stop,

990
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: and he just drills us oide of nowhere, so as

991
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: if he thought it was green. And so then we

992
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: pull over and the guy's behind me and we go

993
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: into a parking lot. I'm like, is this guy got

994
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: a bowl? Because I can see in the rear view

995
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: mirror he's like pounding his steering wheel, Madden himself okay,

996
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: he gets out immediately hits a vape. He starts puffing

997
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: and says, I've been on a lot of stress. Man,

998
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: leave me. I'm like, what are you doing? Like what

999
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, do you know how

1000
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: to drive? Like literally, I'm like, dude, And he's like,

1001
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: what are you doing that? And I'm like what are

1002
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: you doing? And he's like, oh man, and he starts

1003
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: making up some ridiculous don't know. But I said, let

1004
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: me call my insurance, and instead I called the cops

1005
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: and they showed up, and well, you have to get

1006
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: a you have to get a police report anyway, But

1007
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: I like that, you know you wouldn't. Yeah, I didn't

1008
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: know the guy. I had the kids with me. I

1009
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: don't know the guy's unhinged or what at that point.

1010
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, no insurance, no registration, um, and so he

1011
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: couldn't drive home. But it became a civil matter because

1012
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: it was just a collision. They said he wasn't under

1013
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: the influence. Maybe they didn't want to deal with it.

1014
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then here's the kicker, and I'll

1015
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: leave you with this. On Cardinal's underground. The next day,

1016
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I take the fifteen year old punk to the gym

1017
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: and he goes walk in and he punches me, and

1018
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: he goes whok, no way, And across the way is

1019
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: the dude who ran into us. No way for real,

1020
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: he's over there working out. He's in the smith machine

1021
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: over there working out. I'm like, and I paused, and

1022
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: I said, should I go out in the parking lot

1023
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: and see if he drove the same car? And should

1024
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: I call that in? But because they give you a

1025
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: police report with each other's information, address, name, because you

1026
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: have to call it in your insurance something. No, it's

1027
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: my old man's car. He's got my parents' information, and

1028
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: I left it alone. This is one of those moments

1029
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: where like, I really wanted to call the cops and

1030
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: report the guy again because I'm guessing he drove the

1031
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: same car without any insurance or any registration, right back

1032
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: to the gym the next Well, why would he care

1033
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: if he's already driving around without registration? What would stop

1034
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: him any vacation? No, I just um, I went to

1035
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: a certain place a couple of times throughout the year,

1036
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: but I don't want to mention it on the podcast.

1037
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: Did they start with a D. Maybe it's where my

1038
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: family is, Darren, I obviously would love no I did.

1039
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: I went. I went home this last weekend because I

1040
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: told my parents that it just didn't look like I

1041
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: was going to make it home during the season. It

1042
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: lucked out last year or bye week around the regular season, right,

1043
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: obviously you'll be there in the preseason. What August twelve?

1044
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: That is in Kansas City, not Dallas. So jokes on you, Darren. Anyway,

1045
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I had told my parents I wasn't gonna you know,

1046
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: I had no plans to go home during the season

1047
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: with how our schedule fell. And so my dad said,

1048
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: you know what, We'll fly you out one more time

1049
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: before training camp, see your friends, see you know, your family,

1050
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: one more time before life gets crazy. Said okay, great,

1051
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: Like let's pick a weekend. It's like, why don't you

1052
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: come on this weekend this past weekend? I said, great,

1053
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: booked my flights, and I learned my parents were in

1054
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Mexico for a wedding. So my dad really wanted me

1055
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: to come home so I could watch the dogs. So

1056
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: I got to my house Thursday night around ten o'clock

1057
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: and I had about thirty minutes of my parents and

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Speaker 1: they left the house Friday morning at five am to

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Speaker 1: go to the airport. I even offered to take them

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Speaker 1: to the airport to like have time with them, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, we're just going to drive our

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Speaker 1: car and valet. Okay, see you in a couple months.

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Speaker 1: So that was that was my final vacation this past weekend. See,

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Speaker 1: that's why she doesn't care about eleven million dollars or not.

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Speaker 1: Instead of you know, our folks, they don't need some

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Speaker 1: sort of free ride to the airport. They're just gonna

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Speaker 1: valet it. Obviously, I'm not gonna lie. Obviously the money

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Speaker 1: is no matter in this direct family. That's what I've ascertained.

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Speaker 1: I ascertained here. I think winning a basketball tournament tops

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Speaker 1: getting rear ended or being ignored by your parents. So

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Speaker 1: you know what, Dared, you're right, You're right. You take

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Speaker 1: home the vacation on Earth. There you go on this

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Speaker 1: so you can flex on this edition of Cardinals Underground

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