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Speaker 1: Gangster Chronic goals. This it's not your average shows.

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Speaker 1: It's another episode the Gangster Chronicles podcast. It's your boy

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Speaker 1: big Steal along with my guy yeer.

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Speaker 3: Eight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I was telling you about the brother man I met

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Speaker 1: through the homie Steve O out of Milwaukee. They're like

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Speaker 1: half the most incredible backstory ever. Man. His brother was

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Speaker 1: really running the streets and everything, and and he just

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Speaker 1: learned how to write. Correct me if I'm wrong anytime, Bro,

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Speaker 1: He just learned how to write. Read maybe ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. Now his brother has his degree mans bachelors.

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Speaker 1: One biggest fund raisers man from the African American community.

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Speaker 1: I want to correct me if I'm wrong. How much

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Speaker 1: manag you raised for the Boys and Girls Club.

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Speaker 3: So so drive might creb about two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: million in the last for ten years.

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Speaker 1: So I got to introduce this brother I know we have.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those guys I want to have

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Speaker 1: on because its story. This dude is really from the

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Speaker 1: turf and he just changed his life around it the

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Speaker 1: whole three sixty Michael Johnson. I had some applause. I

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Speaker 1: give you some applause and all that stuff. The first

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Speaker 1: thing I want to do is just go back, like

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Speaker 1: I want to just go way back, Kenny, because I

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Speaker 1: know you said you med eight first time you had

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Speaker 1: a record label, had a little hood record label.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me let me first say, man, it's a

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Speaker 3: pleasure and being being on a gangster chronicles. I've been

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Speaker 3: watching all your shows, nor Yourn and what you've done

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Speaker 3: in the industry and then eight. Over the years, it

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Speaker 3: was just a iconic bro. Back in the day, I

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Speaker 3: used to own a record label called over the Records.

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Speaker 3: So I grew up in the projects on the West

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Speaker 3: went to the coaches that dressed up in ku klus

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Speaker 3: ended up. It made national news. I came home with

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Speaker 3: six months I was broke. During that time, when I

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Speaker 1: Hey, you should get eight to you know, do a

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Speaker 3: And he did it for us back in the day,

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Speaker 3: and the group that I was associated with, we sold

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Speaker 3: cassette tape. That just tells you how old I am.

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Speaker 3: And we were selling cassette tapes out of our table.

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Speaker 1: Per Se Height was out his fist grease at one

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Speaker 1: still how his fist grease?

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny me doing the show with him

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Speaker 1: and how people. Man. I've had major people like the

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Speaker 1: Homies come on the show and they just like, man,

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Speaker 1: they can't wait to meet they that's their biggest thing,

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Speaker 1: so disappointed. I said, Damn, Man made me feel bad

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Speaker 3: I had a cousin, bro from Arizona. I had posted

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Speaker 3: I was coming on your show. He's like, Bro, fly

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Speaker 1: Especially what was that movie Lorece Tate?

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Speaker 4: Been looking. We appreciate it, definitely, Mike.

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Speaker 1: We all about community. A lot of people don't know.

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Speaker 1: Man eight has been coaching you football and mentoring kids

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Speaker 1: I know, I had a whole bunch of people to

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Speaker 3: That summer when I was seventeen, eighteen years old, I

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Speaker 1: I've been in my role for about sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I've done all my life.

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Speaker 1: And my kids. I'm not talking about ten or fifteen kids.

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Speaker 1: They're graduating from college. Oh that's awesome, man. You know

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Speaker 1: one thing I want to go back to you played

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Speaker 1: and you were functionally illiterate. You do know how to read,

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Speaker 1: and they just pass you on through because you could

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Speaker 1: play footballs. Yeah it is. I don't think people understand

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Speaker 3: raising money.

440
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 4: In there, soul.

441
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: If you help this person, you took some money off

442
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: the top. And when I tell people, bro, I got

443
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: one hundred people I report. So I got a very

444
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: big board with a governance committee of about seventy people.

445
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: I run a public, nonprofit organization. I'm not gonna put

446
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 3: my reputation on the line to steal five hundred dollars,

447
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: one thousand dollars or one thousand dollars. So I just

448
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: I ignore them to some degree, and I keep it

449
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: moving and I just let the work speak for us.

450
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: If that made sense, doing and correcting me for a room.

451
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: You do that a lot of the comptability with this stuff, Yeah, yeah,

452
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: you do.

453
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: So like one of the things I do, And some

454
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: of it might be fair criticism. So one year we

455
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 3: bought our maintenance guy and it was all on the news.

456
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: This is a guy that's been rocking.

457
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: With me for years, and sometimes, man, you got to

458
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: take care of people on your own team. So we

459
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: presented him with a half a million dollar house. We

460
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: didn't pay for the whole house. We came up with

461
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: about two hundred and fifty thousand. He couldn't afford the

462
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: down payment. We got owners that stepped up, and on

463
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: Christmas Day we fully furnished that surprise and his wife.

464
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: So that people's on social media and it was like,

465
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: he could have gave a house to a homeless person.

466
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: Why didn't he pick somebody on his team? And the

467
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: first thing I said was, you could do the same thing.

468
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: So if I'm raising the money, don't tell me who

469
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: I can give it to and who I get. But

470
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: then I read some of the things and I'm like, okay,

471
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: if I'm out there publicly raising money, what I decided

472
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: to do after that, I said, I'm gonna put together

473
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: a little committee and it will allow people to send

474
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: me nominations and say, hey, send me your stories, and

475
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: then I'll let the community kind of fat some of

476
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: those stories and then they'll rate them and say, okay,

477
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: if you raise the money, these are the top fifty

478
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: families you should help. And so what it does It

479
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: takes responsibility off me. So people will say, oh, he's

480
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: just choosing his friends and his family members, which I've

481
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: never helped any of my family members.

482
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 1: But what happened.

483
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: There is so much need out there, man, and people

484
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: just want to be helped, and they see these blessings

485
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 3: happen publicly, and sometimes bro hurt people.

486
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: Hurt people, And I've.

487
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: Just learned, man, sometimes you got to ignore them and

488
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: sometimes you take them off face to face.

489
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: And it just comes with the territory. Well, you know,

490
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that I want to allude back to,

491
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: you talked about the technical programs that you're doing going

492
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: back there. I'm a firm believer that not every kid

493
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: man that's high school is meant to go to a universe. Yeah,

494
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: that's not for every kid man. You got kids. I

495
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: know when I was going to school, we had programs

496
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: in Cleveland where you had shop class, the wood class,

497
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: you had the brothers and there, you know, yeah, making

498
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, doing projects, making shares and stuff and fables. Right,

499
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: they was making some dop fifth from that class made

500
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: My mama still got automotive class too. Ship niggas was

501
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: in there working on cars, building cars, ship metal class.

502
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: I remember all.

503
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 4: The type of class.

504
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: Yes, good classes, man, because we all I knew in

505
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland wanted to graduate. I think you had to have

506
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: six units of that, you know, before you graduated. Right.

507
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: I loved going to the middle class. I loved doing it.

508
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: I remember when of the homies was so good man.

509
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: He made my mom's a wood chair and she still

510
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: got to this day. She still got a big share

511
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: to be like a rock and share. You know. I

512
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: think we need more of those. I think we need

513
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: more of those in the I'm not mistaken. If you

514
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: can get enough money together, you can open those up yourself,

515
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: can't you. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

516
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: Let me say this, man, I'll tell you a story

517
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: about this brother name Staying Whey out of Philadelphia. So

518
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: I used to run facilities for the Philadelphia public schools.

519
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: And when I left for this job, there was this

520
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: brother named Staying who happened to be married to my

521
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: Antelo's niece. And right when I was leaving, and he

522
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: was like, man, Bro, I'm walking out with you, and

523
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: so my mindset to I was like, man, Bro, you

524
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: got kids, don't leave your Julian's job and go start

525
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: a business. And he was like, no, brond of doing

526
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: it on the side. If I if I do this

527
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: full time, no, I'll make millions. So over the years

528
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: he would give me updates. While I was in Wisconsin,

529
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: said magne, I got six trucks. Now I got twenty trucks.

530
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: So one one year friend of my old boss ran

531
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: for Chicago and he said, man, you got a couple

532
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: of friends phone numbers I can get see if I

533
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: get to the donator used to work for us in Philadelphia.

534
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: So I gave him ten names. So he calls me back.

535
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: He said, man, thank you. One of your guys came through.

536
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: He gave me fifty thousand dollars. He said, ool, he said,

537
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: statement that cost I said, Bro, you in a position

538
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: to get fifty plus plus to somebody.

539
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: He said, Mike, I ain't playing something up to like

540
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: two hundred employees.

541
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: And I'm now the largest owned black I'm the largest

542
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: black age back.

543
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: Company in the Tri state area. He did that, and no.

544
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: Matter fifteen years, Bro, and he's getting money and he

545
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: don't even have a college degree. And also, no Norman

546
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: in this country, only fifty one percent of working age

547
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: adults got college degrees. So we know historically every kid

548
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: ain't gonna go to college. Every kid a gonna graduate.

549
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: And some of the richest people I know on landscaping

550
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: company are in real estate and they don't have the grades.

551
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: You know what's funny When I tell people I know

552
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: a couple of billionaires, everybody always assume, mister rep people

553
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: that I knew these dudes man, Like one of them

554
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: is in the real estate man, the other women is

555
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: into HVAC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they think you know like that,

556
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: like something like seventy locations expect locations and started from

557
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: one truck, right, How difficult is it. Let's say me

558
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: and eight one started a technical college and compt the

559
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: man for the kids to have somewhere the kids can

560
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: comp to Long Beach and wife to go to school.

561
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: The ones that ain't necessarily going to college something get

562
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: into men to learn the trade and actually get their

563
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: certification to go out and make some money. How hard

564
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: is it to do something like that? It ain't.

565
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: So I just went through that, right, And so one

566
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: of the guys I pribn do shot too. It's this

567
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: guy named John Mackenzie, who's uh that's the got to

568
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: help me raise the thirty five million dollars in sixteen months.

569
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: So Johnna's a developer.

570
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: He owns a bunch of commercial real estate properties. So

571
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: I went and stayed out of his house in Florida,

572
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: and I was trying to get a couple hundred thousand

573
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: dollars from him and he and I really didn't want

574
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: to go to Florida to meet because I didn't really know.

575
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: Him at the time. And so what I learned is.

576
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: That you really don't give money to people that he

577
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: don't know. So I go out there, I hang out

578
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: with him and his wife. Man, I honestly bro They

579
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: showed me such a great time. I felt like I'd

580
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: do that for a long time. And by the time

581
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: I left, I didn't even have to ask him for contribution.

582
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: So then he approached me and said, man, we should

583
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: build like a vocational school, teach kids out to become

584
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: plumbers entrepreneurs.

585
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: And so he said, man, you should lay out a plan.

586
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: So at the time, I was going to just buy

587
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: like a warehouse building, put some new pain on it,

588
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: and then figure it out.

589
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: So at the time brought was in this.

590
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: Program at Harvard Business School, and I learned about this doctor.

591
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Named to Be who in Indonesia.

592
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: Pretty much had put up his house built this one

593
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: hundred million dollar hospital, and to be honest with you,

594
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: it inspired the shit out of me. I was like,

595
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: a million ain't enough. We already thirty five million. So

596
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: the first person I called it was this lady named

597
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: Pleasant Rowland who started this company called American Girl Down,

598
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: and I straight up asked turning her husband for ten

599
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: million dollars on zoom. She committed to five, her husband

600
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: committed to one, and he pretty much said, if you

601
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: started the project, I'll give you the other four million dollars.

602
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: And so that was pretty much a ten million dollar

603
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: phone call. And that inspired me to build a state

604
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: of the art facility. But I did not have the

605
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: credibility as a profit leader. So we ended up partnering

606
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: with the Madison Area Builders Association, who have hundreds and

607
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: hundreds of builders as part of their membership.

608
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: But we created that with.

609
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: Them, and I got John for Ken's on board, and

610
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: then we got Doughters behind it. We built that facility

611
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: really quickly, and then they helped us. We put together

612
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: the board and before you know it, we was having

613
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: a ribbon cutting ceremony. And it happened that quickly by

614
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: partnering with the right people. So the possibilities are there.

615
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of people doing it. They've now

616
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: replicated our program. Betweenty two other cities across the United States,

617
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: and I think y'all could do it in your neighborhood too, Bro.

618
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's the biggest thing I see, right,

619
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I know. The big thing now is the government cutting

620
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: people's food stamps snap benefits. In one of the things

621
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I said, I said, we sitting up here arguing, man

622
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: of some folks giving us something. It's not livermit. Our

623
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: situation no better. Really. You know how many generations of

624
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: people I noticed on welfare, Bro. They mamas was on welfare.

625
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: Now they on welfare, and then their kids on welfare.

626
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: It's just a cycle piece itself. Right. What if we

627
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: had a situation where I know that pop was he's

628
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: a truck driver. He made pretty good money, right, Yeah,

629
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: let's start showing people you don't necessarily have to open

630
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: on your own truck. I heard Walmart they truck drivers

631
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: make good money, real good money. Right, A talk about

632
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: with your jobs, right? Yesish, I know a couple of eggs. Fact,

633
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: people are doing real well for theirself, got big house

634
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: out and corona and stuff. They own their own business.

635
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I always thought it would be real dope, man to

636
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: establish a program like that, even if it meant thus

637
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: partnering up with somebody that really knew the background of

638
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: that stuff and saying, you know what, Bro, I don't

639
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: want to be the face of it, but I want

640
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: you to come and, you know, help help us establish

641
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: this right. You know, I think if we had that

642
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: mindset man versus on you know, because giving somebody to

643
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: play the food or a turkey on Thanksgiving it's cool, man.

644
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: We got to start showing people how to fish man,

645
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: real talk, real talk. Nobody out there giving up turkeys.

646
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: They look like you want to say something, Bro.

647
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I mean, but that's definitely a star,

648
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because we were lacking some

649
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: of that, you know what I'm saying in the communities where,

650
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: like you said, motherfucker used to be able to beat,

651
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: could learn the trade and learn how to do shit,

652
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily have to go to college. So I think

653
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: that's a great start, and especially if it's in this

654
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: day and age where you're saying shit is profitable for motherfuckers,

655
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: and like you said, those businesses are age back, you know,

656
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: teaching people how to beat plumbers or whatever.

657
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: Shit. It's a start, you get me. It's a way

658
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: to show a motherfucker.

659
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: That you're trying to give back necessarily to to the

660
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: point of trying to help a motherfucker have a future,

661
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: because you know, sports ain't for everybody. Wrapping damn show

662
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: ain't for everybody. And we see how that's going nowadays.

663
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: So like I say all the time, well, people hate

664
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: to be more normal nowadays, but we need Norman motherfuckers.

665
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: We need business owners and motherfuckers who can start their

666
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: own businesses and see that that shit is also profitable.

667
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: You get me.

668
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's real talk, man. And you know, not

669
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: to cut you off because one thing I noticed now,

670
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: and this is glaring to me. And I'm one of

671
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: those type of people. I believe people can do what

672
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: they want to. It's a freak country. But I notice

673
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the rappers whose careers are kind of

674
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: on the decline, you know, they shows not coming in

675
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: like The Use or whatever else. They're trying to podcast now,

676
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: and I think everybody believes that it's all this money.

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: I hear people say, oh, man, it's such and such

678
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars to this podcast. I don't say nothing

679
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: because it's not my job pocket watch nobody. But ain't

680
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: no way to recoup that money. Ain't nobody getting twenty

681
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: million dollars unless they rogan and they'll have this this

682
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: like huge audience right to get that money. So I

683
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: see everybody doing these podcasts now because nobody else literally

684
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: asked anything else to do. And you figure, if you've

685
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: been rapping since you was eighteen and nineteen and you

686
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: thirty five forty now and that's all you've been doing,

687
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: you don't have no job skills to go do something.

688
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: So you figure, I'm gonna go do a podcast and

689
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: try to make some money. Right. We have to start

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: really man, expanding our boundaries. Man, yes, sir. We can't

691
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: think about just dribbling the basketball and towing the football

692
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: or picking up a microphone. There's so many of the

693
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: ways to make money. Man, everybody, I know, you know

694
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: how many people I know outside of a few big

695
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: and airs, I know, I knew a bunch of people

696
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: with that make really good money. Man. They don't have

697
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: college degrees. They just work really hard. Man. They have

698
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: long care they have They cut people's grass and they're

699
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: paying houses. They're electricians, plumbers, all these different people in

700
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: order to put you know, know, how to do roofing.

701
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of opportunity out there, man, the

702
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: people that just put their mind and started expending me

703
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: mine and look at different things. Man, you know what

704
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: I learned knowing like.

705
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 3: Coming I lived in all these different cities, but coming

706
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin was a little different for me, right, And

707
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: sometimes man, you gotta expand your horizon and be around

708
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: people that you're not normally around. I remember, bro, I

709
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: got invited to this. I always tell this story. I

710
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: got invited to this farm party. Now, I had never

711
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: come in from I've never been the goddamn farm party

712
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: in my life. So I perceived that this farm party

713
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: was gonna be like horses and shit and cows and.

714
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: O this open land.

715
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: And I get there in this dona add DJ's out there,

716
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: a lot of bands. That was my first time on

717
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: a four wheeler. I'm out there on these four wheelers

718
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, it was one of the dope

719
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: best parties I ever went to and what happened When

720
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: I first got to West Caude. It was so many

721
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: donors at that party. Here was something I was telling

722
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: my wife. I was like, man, I really don't want

723
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: to go to this shit. And when I got there,

724
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: I met so many people. And when I think about

725
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: the people that was in that room, those folks end

726
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: up raising like tens of millions of dollars for me

727
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: over the years. So sometimes, man, we gotta be willing

728
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: to go in rooms that we may not be comfortable with.

729
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: And I've also learned, man, if you're the smartest person

730
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: in the room all the time, you not with the

731
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: right people. So I'm always trying to just diversify how

732
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: I spend my time, who I spend my time with,

733
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: who I.

734
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: Can learn from.

735
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: So I'm personally growing so I can pass the torch

736
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: to somebody else to help them grow.

737
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: You know what I was just thinking, right, I knew

738
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: this guy that I played high school for all with

739
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and he had scholarships. He was a really good football player.

740
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: But it's hard wasn't really going to be in a

741
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: football player, right, they just really wasn't. He has some

742
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: big scholarship officer and he turned him down. I'm not

743
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: gonna say the school because then people start figuring out

744
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: who he was. Right, he said, man, really, because he

745
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: always had a car in front of his grandma's. He's

746
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: always had some kind of recordy car. He was fixing

747
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: on man. Right, he said, Man, I really just want

748
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: to be a mechanic. I'm done playing all. I got

749
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: my head hurt all the time. I don't really want

750
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: to do that no more. Right, And I was like, dude,

751
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: you tripped me, because I swear if this dude had

752
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: kept playing, he probably have been in an NFL. Man,

753
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: This dude opened up the first like automotive shops and Knowhio,

754
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: they had like the small check thing in there, so

755
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: everybody all around and surround the counties had to go

756
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: to him to take car small. Right. He wound up

757
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: opening one in Northeast Ohio. He opened one, another, one

758
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: opened up another one. I think this brother got like

759
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: fifteen shops. I know he's had more at one time,

760
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: but he sold a lot of them off and he's

761
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: doing really well for himself. Now, what if he'd a

762
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: listener what everybody else told him and continue us playing well,

763
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: just going along that regular path. Everybody was telling them, man,

764
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: my postle telling me man that dude don't lost his month. No,

765
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: he wanted to follow this heart and just did what

766
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. Yeah, everybody's path different, man, And

767
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of times, especially as black folks. Man,

768
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I think we we just get too caught up in

769
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: what doing trying to do with looks sexy?

770
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think some of the times if if,

771
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: like I said, with this day and age, you know,

772
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: motherfuckers want to get rich quick.

773
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: Skill, you get me, Uh got.

774
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: You need people want to put in the hard work

775
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: and dedication that it might take to get to a

776
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: certain You tell the motherfucker today how you'll give you

777
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand right now, or give me ten years

778
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: and and you can have ten million.

779
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: Motherfucker might go, nigga, give me that hundred right now.

780
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: You give me.

781
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: Of them. We're in the dage of get rich quick.

782
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 2: Back in our days, we were kind of taught that

783
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: the path might take you some time, but that's a hustler,

784
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: you get me. We were taught that shit's not going

785
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: to be an overnight success, you get me. So you

786
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: learned that value. But today and age, a lot of

787
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: shit is get rich quick.

788
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: You feel.

789
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: Some people might have have patience to take that route

790
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: of going through that normalcy. You feel me, like you said,

791
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: more fucker like, oh shit, then you go to the NFL

792
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: or open an automotive shop, motherfucker Like, Okay, Now, I'll

793
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: give you two years in the NFL or ten years

794
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: as a motherfucker all in the shop doing all changes. Nigga,

795
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: you give me that two years in the NFL. You

796
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: feel me that longevity, You know what I'm saying. That's

797
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: what's the problem. A lot of opportunities are on offered.

798
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: So you said, you know, you gotta be told like

799
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: it's okay to be north, Like some motherfuckers just don't

800
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: want to be normal and like nine to five or

801
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: doing small checks or motherfucker's doing h back, It's okay

802
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: to be normal. And I think that's what some of

803
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: the youth need to be taught today. You know, I

804
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: got a wrong boy. It's a popping rapper, right. He's

805
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: a popular rapper and him and his wife in itself,

806
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: they owned one of the most successful They started off

807
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: doing the Amazon stuff, right. They started off with four trucks, right,

808
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: and you know, of course that's his business. So he's

809
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: gonna go out there, go on the truck and do

810
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: delivery sometimes. Right, especially when they first started, one of

811
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: his fans recognized them and say it, man, what happened

812
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: because he still deliver the package. Right, So he just

813
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: assumed because you see this man delivering the package that

814
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: something press don't happen this man.

815
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: It's making way more money because now they got it

816
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: fleeted like one hundred vehicles, right, they have a fleet

817
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: of one hundred vehicles, and he's the stuff for post office.

818
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Now it's just an Amazon. That's just one of the

819
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: things he does. Right. They have a logistics company, and

820
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: there's one of the biggest companies like actually in Louisiana now.

821
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: And I think people see stuff like that sometime hapened

822
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: assume as somebody fell off, and it's just like, I

823
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: think that's real, just ignorant mindset to whereas somebody will

824
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: literally clowned if they think you got a job, Oh man,

825
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: you fell off. You're doing this and that not knowing

826
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: that that man owned a company or not knowing he

827
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: just there's nothing wrong with having a job real, y'all.

828
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: Ye man, I heard somebody on social media say I'd

829
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: rather have a plastic bag with five thousand dollars in

830
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: it than to have a Louis Vutan, a five thousand

831
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: Louis Viti perse with a dollar in it, right, And

832
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: so sometimes, man, and at these sometimes when we come

833
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: from living and challenging circumstances, when we do get some money,

834
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: we want to flash it and we want to show

835
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: people what we got. And I think it's a it's

836
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: a mindset thing, man, And that's why, like most of

837
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: the wealthy people that I know, it's crazy. Almost all

838
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: of them look broke, you know, and it's like it's

839
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: almost like they're shame that they got wealth and they

840
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: don't want people to know it. And at first I'm

841
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: be like, man, you got the three million dollar boat,

842
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: I would show this shit.

843
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Oh and there's one guy.

844
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: He told me why he didn't want his boat on

845
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: social media and he didn't want to blast because he realized,

846
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 3: like I was fortunate that I've been able to earn money,

847
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: but there's so many people who don't got it. And

848
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: he kind of gave me his ten reasons why he

849
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: doesn't like to show his will.

850
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: And so I think part of it is, man, when

851
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: we do get it.

852
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: We want to show people that we got it and

853
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: it looks sexy, and even the people who are wealthy

854
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: folks don't understand what it took to get these positions.

855
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: Like there's some people that work for me who want

856
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: to be a CEO right away, and sometimes people don't

857
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: understand the journey. Like in this role, it wasn't just

858
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: handed to me. I had to move to four or

859
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: five different states. I had to learn how to read,

860
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: I had to learn how to get speeches. I had

861
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: to go get all these credentials. I had to learn

862
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: how to raise money because you're getting the seat, but

863
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: you got to be to maintain earn the right to

864
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: sit in that seat every single day. Bro, if you're

865
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: going to be impactful, you know what I'm saying, I

866
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: think the biggest like you said, with our people, Man,

867
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: it's a lot of times we don't have patience and.

868
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: A wear thought. It just whether they's thump. Everybody wants

869
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: stuff to quick. Mel I know when me and a

870
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: first started doing podcasts, there wasn't no bunch of money

871
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: involved and we was on a major network. Though we

872
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: had to really just kind of just go, Like this

873
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: had to scale, It had crow. It just didn't happen overnight.

874
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: And I think when people people get really disappointed when

875
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: stuff just gonna happen as fast as it thinks and

876
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: if you think it shit. And I think a part

877
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: of that is because there's a lot of misinf information.

878
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of misinformation on the Mounto Minion the

879
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: rappers make. I think people just get so caught up

880
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: in the fantasy aspect of everything. They seen this guy

881
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: in this big guardy chain and the video with him

882
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: and the rose first, they gonna know as soon as

883
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: the cameras turn off, all that stuff gotta go back yeah, yeah, yeah,

884
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Or where you do get a check?

885
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: The taxes, right, they're gonna tax you thirty five forty There,

886
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: you got an agent, he's gonna get his cut. And

887
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: then if they put up any expenses, you gotta rainburst

888
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: them dead. If you got a house and a car,

889
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: by the time you pay for all that stuff, whatever

890
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: little money you got, it's gone.

891
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: And then to your point on if you're used to

892
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: making whatever the numb.

893
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 3: Is right, half a million a year, quarter million dollars

894
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: a year, and as you get older, you lose that

895
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: job and it goes away. Now How are you gonna

896
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: maintain all those things? How are you gonna pay the

897
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: mortgage to the maintenance on the house, the card note,

898
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: the insurance your kids were, they're in private school, whatever

899
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: it is. You gotta find multiple ways, multiple incomes trains

900
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: to be able to sustain your liveyhood or you got

901
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: to do a good job at best and the money

902
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 3: that you made when you were making that kind of money,

903
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: and a lot of times we don't do that. I'm

904
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: really big gonna have a multiple streams of income.

905
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: I've always believed in not stopping what I'm doing just

906
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: because I may come up on some money on something.

907
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people, if they start making

908
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: money at something, they're gonna quit their job. And I'll

909
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: tell them, man, you're only doing that. What you're doing

910
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: a couple of hours a week. You don't have time

911
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: to continue. You're doing that other thing. You gonna stay man,

912
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: Because I'm a believer in not that I just have

913
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: a negative mindset, but I believe that sometimes man, stuff

914
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: just don't work out. And always I would rather have

915
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a safety net man in chase something don't work out

916
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: to where I'm not starving, you know what I mean?

917
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: And it took me really, man, when I was working

918
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: in the music publishing business, I was a and R

919
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of years, right, and it took me literally

920
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: almost loosely everything I had, my house being the foreclosure

921
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: and everything else to say I'm never going through that again.

922
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I am never going through that again. Or where you

923
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: just don't know where your next dollar coming from, and

924
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: you're really kicking yourself in the ass because you look

925
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: back and say, man, I squandered thousands of dollars, hundred

926
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars literally just going out doing a bunch of

927
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: dumb shit. I got cars. I don't even know where

928
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: that car is at now. I don't even know where

929
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: that shaine is at now. It's just not even here.

930
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Know what I was thinking about that the other night,

931
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever happened to that truck? I asked,

932
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: I think I lest somebody parl. They never just gave

933
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: it back. Stuff that you not tripping, man. And I've

934
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: heard stories home boys, man, where they might have moved

935
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: from my house in Florida and just left for Rose

936
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Royce back to some of the Mercedes or something. They

937
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: thinking like, damn, man, this dude got my car or

938
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: this differ. I don't look this dude, oh this nieche

939
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: Is never brought it back because we really don't know

940
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: how to even though you're working really hard as an

941
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: entertainer for that money, it's come so fast you just

942
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: don't appreciate it. And I think people get caught up

943
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: and trying to file with other people, right, because it's

944
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people, man, but let's spend money. As

945
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: soon as they get some money, they want to go

946
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: spend it on something bro because it was funny.

947
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: Man.

948
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: I had Aileen Iverson came up to see me.

949
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: Back in July, and I had them up here for

950
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: an event and he was and he was telling me

951
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 3: how back when he played for the Philadelphia seventy six

952
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: is he had a hard time saying no to like

953
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: family members, know, to friends, and before you know what,

954
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: if you're singing yes to everybody, you end up going broke.

955
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: And he said one of the best things that happened

956
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: in his life when he just started telling saying no

957
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: to people.

958
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: It was a word. Man, It's the powerful worrying. While

959
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: it might be challenging.

960
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: Man, it was hard for me to even at one

961
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: point in my life to start singing no to people,

962
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: because people will drain you, especially if they know you

963
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: would just freely give it away or they perceived that

964
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: you got all these resources, and because they're related to

965
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: you and they're connected to you, it's almost like, hey,

966
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: I deserve this. And what I've just learned, Man, if

967
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 3: you do it, you do it. If you can't, you can't,

968
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: And it's okay to say no. And one things, Man,

969
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: I respect him bout my son. My son is a

970
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: hip hop artist, and my son is a junior at

971
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati. I remember asking him a couple

972
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. I saw he was in Miami and

973
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: he was recording, and I was like, man, don't you

974
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: got school on Monday? And I look on whatever, Twitter

975
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: or whatever. I was like, it's like you all over

976
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: the place, and I said, are you doing this school now?

977
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: My wife was like, don't worry about I can look

978
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: at his whatever, the little account. Parents can look at

979
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: the say if he really is his business And he said,

980
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: Dad is all about time and I I learned that

981
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: from your mom, So don't worry about it. I'm gonna

982
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: get my a's and b's, but I'm out here grind

983
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: that because music is one thing. And then he was

984
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 3: telling me. I said, man, well, you making a little

985
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: bit of money music? Why you He works at a

986
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 3: bar as not a bodyguard or whatever they are, bouncer

987
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: and he's like one of his friends is making fun

988
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: of him, and he was like, man, why are you

989
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: doing that? He was like, Dad, I made twelve thirteen

990
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month part bouncing and I invest that money.

991
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: And I was so proud to hear him say that, man,

992
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: because that's his little side hustle. And he was like,

993
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen to my music career.

994
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: I may go to college, it may not be a

995
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: job there. And I'm just so thankful. Like he got

996
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: that mindset, man, And a lot of times, man, we

997
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: got to just figure out how do we inspire people

998
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: change their frame of thinking and not be materialistic. So

999
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: like I recently built a house and me and my

1000
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: wife for about a decade live under our means. And

1001
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: I was like, when we do buy a house, I

1002
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: don't want no fifteen thousand dollars a month mortgage. My

1003
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: mortgage be the same mortgage is somebody that got a

1004
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: one bedroom apartment. But we planned we saved. We strategically

1005
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: made the right business decisions to make sure that when

1006
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: we wanted to invest in something, we were in a

1007
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: position to be able to do it, and we didn't

1008
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: over overspend outlive like our income. And sometimes I made

1009
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 3: that mistake, Bro, when when I started working, I would

1010
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: buy back in the nineties, Man, I would go buy

1011
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: these Chevy and Apollos. I would put the rams. I

1012
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: was spending seven thousand dollars on rams. I was spending

1013
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: four five thousand dollars on sixteen inch speakers with the

1014
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: six bys and all those accessory costs more than a

1015
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: damn car. And I went to fifteen twenty of those cars, Bro,

1016
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: And I think about all that money I spent on

1017
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: all those cars.

1018
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: What if I would have simply put that money in

1019
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: the stock market.

1020
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: The stock market over the last fifty years have grown

1021
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: on average seven percent seven percent, And so just imagine

1022
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: that's seven percent snowballing year after year after year. All

1023
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 3: those cars I bought, they'd appreciate it. And if even

1024
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 3: if I would have kept them, their cars will probably

1025
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: be worth nothing.

1026
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: Right now, that's the thing about it, You know what.

1027
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: I had an interesting thing that happened to me. I

1028
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: remember when I first started making a little bit of money,

1029
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: and you look back at it, I really wasn't making

1030
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: no money. I thought I was the right. There was

1031
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: a guy that had a laundry map man that I

1032
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: used to take, you know, I used to go to,

1033
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, right, And I ran

1034
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: to him one day. He was like, oh man, he's like,

1035
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: you're doing pretty good for himself. He said, Man, you know,

1036
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: whyn't you by the laundry man? And so I went

1037
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: and sat with him and you know, talked about it,

1038
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: and I said, well, man, what's showing every month? He said, man, well,

1039
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: I knited about four thousand dollars every month, right, But

1040
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm only putting maybe three hours into this every week, right.

1041
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: And I looked at that, and at the time I

1042
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: was making so much money, I said, four thousand dollars

1043
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: a month. I said, man, that's not even worth my

1044
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: time for me to be doing that. But what I

1045
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: was thinking about, especially me now being Olga old man, right,

1046
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: older man, I think it. Man, it's been nice to

1047
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: have that little four thousand. They just have it for

1048
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: when you retired, right, that would have just been the

1049
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: one little you know, one of my little lum four

1050
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: fix you know, send them out portfolio of the robbers

1051
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: like from He said, Man, all he did was going

1052
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: there twice a week to change the soapball, get to

1053
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: change other things, put some sodas in there every once

1054
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: in a while, making sure the machines is right. Now.

1055
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: He said, that's a dude that worked in there. Man

1056
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: hands all the other step kept the machines fixed. He said,

1057
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: as long as you do that, man, you'll be straight.

1058
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: And I thought about it, and I said, man, I

1059
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: had a missed up mindset. I had a nigga mindset.

1060
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a nigga mindset. It's an uneducated mindset.

1061
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: It's a motherfucking mindset. Oh of not being educated enough

1062
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: to know what the food would be like. We all

1063
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: went through that shit.

1064
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: Nigga.

1065
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: You could have told me a nigga who was making

1066
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: records and making hundreds of thousands of dollars, nigga would

1067
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: have said me the same thing, and I would have

1068
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: been like, fuck, am I gonna do with a laundry?

1069
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: Not making four grand and money late when I'm making

1070
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: five six thousand a show for twenty minutes it's not

1071
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: the mindset that you have. You get me because if

1072
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: a nigga would have sat me down and educated me

1073
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: and told me think about this motherfucking spot.

1074
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 4: In twenty years, you get.

1075
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: Me think about you're not thinking like that as an

1076
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen year old motherfucker. You're not thinking that as

1077
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: is back in And it's just that young mind state

1078
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: of not being that you had a motherfucker who a

1079
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: great uncle or a motherfucker who knew business and who

1080
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: had ran up business for soul long. He would have

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00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: told you, niggas invest in that motherfucking laundry.

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Speaker 1: Mack.

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00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: You might not think it's right because you'll go take

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: motherfucking see like you said, you'll take twenty thousand and

1085
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: then go put it in some speakers and motherfucking rhythms

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00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: real quick and a chain before mother say, nigga, give

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: me twenty thousand and you can take over the launch.

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00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: And I think, man, and I think that's what it

1089
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: was saying. He was literally because he was trying. He

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: was all black, dude. He was trying to excoose me something.

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00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: He was like, Man, give me twenty five thousand and

1092
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: you can have this. You're like yours. You take over

1093
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: the you know, the least on the building. You do

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00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: all that you take. He wasn't even really selling. He

1095
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: wanted to get back out. He was moving back to

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00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: Mississippi or wherever he was from. Right, he was done, right,

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: And I thought about that, I said, Man, had I

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00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: took that thing, Man, I didn't necessarily need that little

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00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars right now, but that was could have

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: been something I could have been putting up. Had X

1101
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: amount of money, Yeah, I could have put that man

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: that wanted them into it like a you know, an

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00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: entry baring account or whatever. They had all kinds of money.

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00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: And when once you retire, it's always them little streams

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: of income. Like my wife is doing early retirement this summer, right,

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00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: and she has a nice retirement right, it's little retirement portfolio. Right.

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00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: And I thought about it. I said, a week, come

1108
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: up upon that time to where the next ten fifteen

1109
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: years we could be retired and it'd be nice. On

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00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: top of the stuff we got, the world were getting

1111
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: an extra four thousand and five thousand, like the dele

1112
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: and what there was, right?

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Speaker 3: You know what I think it is, nor like I

1114
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: don't know what your family situation, like almost all my

1115
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: families still living poverty. And I'm probably I am the

1116
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: most successful person in my family. And at the time when.

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: I had those resources.

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00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 3: It was nobody I really could look up to who

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00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: I could like visually see, And like I had a

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00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: brother in law who was a mailman and he was

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00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: telling me at the time invest in real estate. And

1122
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: my mind is, you don't have real estates. I ain't

1123
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: listening to you. And that was my mindset. And I

1124
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: remember this bank I had out my money part that

1125
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: was a black woman there, and she kept telling me

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00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: put this money in an interest band account, at least

1127
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: get a CD put in the stock market. And I'm like,

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00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna trust y'allt with my money.

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Speaker 1: Man. I wish I would have listened to that lady.

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: If I'd have listened to that lady in the nineties, bro,

1131
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: that money would probably be tens of millions of dollars

1132
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: right now. But because I didn't have somebody close to

1133
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: me that It's just like like one of the reasons

1134
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: you don't see black kids going into the trades. A

1135
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: lot of times, we don't have black mothers and fathers

1136
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 3: that's been in the trades.

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: And you see a lot of white kids in that space.

1138
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: Is there their fathers and grandfathers, carpenters and plumbers and

1139
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: all in the in that field.

1140
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: And that's part of the challenge, man. So I think

1141
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: what it is we lack exposure to.

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: How to create these types of investment account and we

1143
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: also lack patients.

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: Right.

1145
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: So to your point, if I got vice geesdude, I

1146
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: don't have enough discretionary dumb to park that five thousand

1147
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: dollars because I gotta pay my rent, I gotta pay

1148
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: my track. No, I gotta get my nails done. I

1149
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: got just the shoes. I want to go club it

1150
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: this weekend. And I had that mindset. So it was

1151
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: corn for me to think about what the next ten

1152
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: to fifteen years is.

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to live today, and that's part of the problem, man.

1154
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: So when would you tell a person to they man

1155
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: trying to establish a non profit Because I ran to

1156
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: youth Football pro we never had enough money because half

1157
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: the people in the community couldn't afford to pay there.

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you one thing that was really

1159
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: disheartening for me. I had a few friends that it

1160
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: was a means and they expected their kids to play

1161
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: for free because they just assumed that, oh, you can

1162
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: do it. You didnt play for free, But they didn't

1163
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: know that each kid, every kid, pretty much costs one thousand.

1164
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: I was fifteen hundred dollars writing you got three hundred

1165
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: kids in the park, man. It costs a lot of

1166
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: money to run those programs. Each kid gotta have insurance, man,

1167
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: they get certified, this all kinds of stuff, they need, equipment,

1168
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: And this dude just felt like his kids should pay

1169
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: for free because he was the homie. No bro.

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: So there's a little program called South Side Raiders where

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00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: I live at and I remember when I first moved

1172
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: in town. South Madison is probably one of the poorest

1173
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: neighborhood at the time in Wisconsin to.

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: Tad and my son played for that tag. Ninety nine

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00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: percent black kids.

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00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: And when I looked at their uniforms prepared to the

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: kids they were playing, it.

1178
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: Was night and day.

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Speaker 3: So I ended up raising I think thirty forty thousand

1180
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 3: dollars got the madul you're a farm. But I told

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: the commissioner of that team, I said, you got about

1182
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: two hundred parents, and he said no, no, no, no, All these

1183
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: parents live in poverty, they give and I said, give

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01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: me the microphone. I was at one of their banquets.

1185
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: He said, Mike, they're not gonna give any money. I said, Bro,

1186
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: you making that assumption because they're poor. I said, research

1187
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: shows people who live in poverty or have the lowest

1188
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: income give larger percentages of income than people with wealth.

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01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: And I said, I'll show you, bro. I picked up

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: that microphone. They were short ten grand. We raised that

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01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: money in stix and a half minutes. And so sometimes

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: I think we can't be afraid to even acts the

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: folks who if they believe in your program, some parents

1194
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 3: would step up. I will also say there's one of

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01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: the reasons why a lot of churches don't do well. Now,

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 3: I'll never do a chicken don or a fish fry

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: for my boys and girls clubs.

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Speaker 1: These days are waste of time, man. I'd rather go

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01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: right a grant.

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: I'd rather go red my research and find out who

1201
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: are the biggest donors in that community, prospect and go

1202
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: to different people events and see who their sponsors are.

1203
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: And then you go and you scout them out, and

1204
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: you hunt them down until you get a meeting with

1205
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: them and that's what I do. Bro Like, when I

1206
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 3: go out and raise money, it's a hustle and sometimes

1207
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: I play the loan game. Right some donors I know,

1208
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: I can't ask them for money right away. I got

1209
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: to build a relationship. And then once you build a relationship,

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01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: you don't even have to ask them. They'll see what

1211
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: you're doing, follow you on social media, and they'll come

1212
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: back and be like, hey, man, nor I see y'all

1213
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: do with X, Y and Z. Man, my wife was

1214
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: poking and we want to drop a meal on you.

1215
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 3: And I've just learned. Man, you gotta learn who your

1216
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: donors are. But you also got to deliver on the

1217
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: shit you say you're gonna do. If you say you're

1218
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: doing X, Y Z in the community, if the community

1219
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: don't believe in what you're doing, the word to get

1220
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: out and they'll bash you and they'll tell the truth,

1221
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: and it'll be hard for you to raise money if

1222
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: you ain't doing the things you say you don't do.

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, will you have this book? Where can people

1224
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: go purchase your book at? Right now?

1225
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: None of th it is doing really well. Yeah man,

1226
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: it's been out for a couple of weeks now. It

1227
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: was funny just tonight Buzin. I don't know if you

1228
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: remember bez Zeno, who's the uh Struts. He got on Facebook.

1229
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: He read it and show us some love. So the

1230
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: book that's called The Audacity to Lead and so Amazon.

1231
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: You can buy it on Amazon or you can go

1232
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: to my website M Johnsons CEO dot com. And when

1233
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: you see the stories in the book, some people might

1234
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: be like, this black man really raised this kind of money.

1235
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: Everything I've done I got receipts for. It's off my website.

1236
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: I've had a very high profile public person for over

1237
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: fifteen years. All the stories that I talk about, from

1238
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 3: the killings and my book, to the money that we've raised,

1239
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 3: to the families that we've supported, it's all been documented.

1240
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: And the book is about it's a real it's not

1241
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: just a leadership book. It's about adversity, it's about love,

1242
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: it's about relationships, and there's a reflection guy each chapter.

1243
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: And there's a leadership tool kit.

1244
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: So if you're a nonprofit leader, if you're a business

1245
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 3: leader and you want to learn how to raise resources,

1246
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: this is the book. And if you think the book,

1247
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: if you buy and you think the book is garbage,

1248
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: I'll be happy to refine you your money. Yeah, I

1249
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 3: suggest you all walk there and get that, especially people

1250
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 3: in our community, because I think we need to start

1251
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 3: being more self dependent and start doing more for our

1252
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: own because we got lack America.

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01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: It's more money than anybody else, any of the racist people.

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on, brother, checking in with us.

1255
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: It was just as pleasure to have you tonight as

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01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: it was you coming on.

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: They see with us, no doubt a if y'all ever

1258
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 3: ever in Wisconsin and Chicago, I always got a place

1259
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 3: to stay if it's a day I could do the support.

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: Will give you all any knowledge that I have.

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm a phone call away and uh a friend of

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01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: Steve O as a friend of Monk and again, Man,

1263
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 3: I've watched what y'all journeys over the years and that

1264
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 3: was a real honor man to come on tonight ship

1265
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: at eleven o'clock at night my time.

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01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Man, we appreciate you, Brovin. It's a big doubt, no doubt. Well.

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Speaker 1: That concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,960
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