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Speaker 2: after day two of the NFL Draft. Rounds two and

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Speaker 2: three are in the books. I'm Matt Taylor, joined by

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Speaker 2: Rick Venturrey, Casey Valier. We're inside the Indiana Union Construction

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Speaker 2: Industry radio studio. The Colts tonight had two draft picks.

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Speaker 2: Recapping what happened. We'll start first. We'll kind of go

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Speaker 2: to these particular draft picks. The Colts came into the

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Speaker 2: night with the forty sixth overall pick in round number two.

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Speaker 2: They traded back initially with that, the Colts traded with Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Carolina moved up six spots. They go from fifty two

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Speaker 2: the Colts obtain two more draft picks for tomorrow for

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Speaker 2: Saturday's draft. These would be a pair of fifth round

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Speaker 2: So Carolina got forty six. Meanwhile, the Colts go backwards

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Speaker 2: to fifty two and with that pick Rick Van Tury,

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Speaker 2: they drafted ad and I Mitchell, a wide receiver at

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Speaker 2: This is a great pick to compliment with the Colts

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he knew what he was doing there.

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Speaker 1: I go back to my early days of watching receivers

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Speaker 2: Good on the Colts again trading back to get him.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rick, again, you've talked a lot about how the

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Speaker 2: At that, absolutely all right, A very busy night that

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Speaker 2: Fantastic job all weekend long, both on Thursday and Friday. Again,

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Speaker 2: I've said this for the one hundredth time. Absolute pleasure

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Speaker 1: Doing this show with you guys on an annual basis.

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