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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob.

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Speaker 3: Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And today on Weird House Cinema,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about the nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 3: cyberpunk action film Nemesis, directed by the cyborg dream weaver

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Speaker 3: Albert Pune, starring French kickboxing champion Olivier Grunaire, as well

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Speaker 3: as our old acquaintance Tim Thomerson, who listeners might remember

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Speaker 3: from our episodes about Trancers two we're in which the

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Speaker 3: Trancer's franchise. He plays the hero of the franchise, Jack Death.

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Speaker 3: I think that's just d et they leave out the A.

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Speaker 3: And he was also in Metal Storm The Destruction of

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Speaker 3: Jared Sin. I mentioned that right at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: this episode, because did you notice that this movie today

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Speaker 3: also has a Jared sin in it?

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Speaker 2: We have a Jared I didn't I somehow overlook the

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Speaker 2: fact that they were a Jared Sin.

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Speaker 3: Well, she is named Jared, and she is a robot,

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Speaker 3: a cyborg, a synthetic organism. She frequently mentions the fact

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Speaker 3: that she is synthetic. So I don't know, interesting overlap. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so this is somehow our first Albert Pune movie on

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Speaker 3: Weird House Cinema. Not the first time I've considered doing

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Speaker 3: an Albert Pune movie, but the first time we've actually

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Speaker 3: gone ahead. We've gone across the starting line with one.

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Speaker 3: It will absolutely not be our last. I kind of

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Speaker 3: I feel that I am at the beginning of a

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Speaker 3: magnificent personal journey, which is a journey into the Pewn zone.

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Speaker 3: And who knows how I will be transformed if I

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Speaker 3: return from this journey, but I'm very excited to see

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Speaker 3: what it holds.

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Speaker 2: I too, have been hypnotized by the Albert the cinematic

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Speaker 2: Albert Puniverse, if you will, and I think I currently

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Speaker 2: have the next three Nemesis movies in my shopping card.

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Speaker 3: See Too takes Out. I was trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: what's the best disc to get, but I don't know

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Speaker 3: if there is actually a good disc release of these,

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Speaker 3: so we may just have to go with what we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nemesis, as we'll discuss, though, Nemesis is I think

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Speaker 2: widely considered the best first stop if you're getting into

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Speaker 2: the works of Albert Pune. I should also mention, this

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Speaker 2: is our first Albert Pune movie. We have mentioned him before.

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Speaker 2: I believe in all previous mentions we have pronounced his

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Speaker 2: name wrong, and we have said Albert Pyune. An easy

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Speaker 2: mistake to make, especially if you're just kind of in

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Speaker 2: the reading the boxes and reading IMDb and letterboxed and

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, just processing it all in your head.

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Speaker 3: But it is Pune, p y u n. I had

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Speaker 3: always said Pyun, but I went to make sure this time,

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Speaker 3: and all the interviews I found of people saying his name,

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Speaker 3: they were saying Pune. I could not find a video

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Speaker 3: always try, and then I couldn't find it anywhere. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: to set the stage, I just want to read from

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Speaker 3: the back of the VHS box, because this the description

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Speaker 3: of the movie on the box both gives you some

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Speaker 3: incorrect ideas about the movie, but also explains more about

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Speaker 3: it says Los Angeles twenty twenty seven, and not that year.

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Speaker 3: We're almost there, were almost there. Japan and America have

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Speaker 3: merged politically and economically. Man and machine have merged as well.

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Speaker 3: The scientific community has perfected cybergenics to the degree that

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Speaker 3: any body part can be replaced. Nemesis is an action

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Speaker 3: packed sci fi thriller where information is the ultimate power. Systems, cowboys,

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Speaker 3: information the ultimate power in this story? I think guns, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: machine guns definitely are the dominant power in the film.

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Speaker 3: To start off, As reviewers have noted over the years,

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Speaker 3: Nemesis is, yes, in many ways, derivative of the big

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Speaker 3: movies in this like tech noir or cyberpunk subgenre, whatever

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Speaker 3: and shoot machine guns, so it is definitely derivative. You

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Speaker 3: movies like Blade Runner, Terminator, and RoboCop. That's true of

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Speaker 3: this early nineties era. It's certainly true here, but once

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Speaker 3: you get past that I found myself really being one

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Speaker 3: over by Nemesis. It started to feel fairly unique. It

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Speaker 3: was absolutely entertaining. I was not bored by this movie,

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Speaker 3: I even found it kind of lovable, like it charmed me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a very similar experience with the film. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I kind of had my guards up. I've long been

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Speaker 2: a lot of derivative films. I love a lot of

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's just go to I would see Nemesis

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Speaker 2: that's not for me. I'm gonna rent Terminator instead. I'm

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Speaker 2: may be. But yeah, it's like, this is an example

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Now I'm not gonna lie. All of those

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Speaker 3: own charms. So there's a lot that makes Nemesis a

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Speaker 3: counterintuitively endearing film. And one of those things, again, this

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Speaker 3: one of those charming things about it is how incredibly

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Speaker 3: unnecessarily complicated the plot is. Yes, to watch Nemesis in

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Speaker 3: notes is to find yourself in this constant, rolling state

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Speaker 3: of who is this? What are these people talking about? Oh? Oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: but it just comes out in the wash.

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Speaker 2: And we have to stress when we watch a movie

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Speaker 2: for Weird House Cinema, we're giving these films dedicated viewings,

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Speaker 2: that it is not always a guarantee, you know, especially

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Speaker 2: today in our very distracted mindset where if we're watching

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Speaker 2: same time. But yeah, we gave this film dedicated viewings

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Speaker 3: Still, so I usually for Weird House, I watch the

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Speaker 3: movie twice. I make notes, so like we are really

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Speaker 3: really struggling with. But somehow in Nemesis, the confusingness itself,

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Speaker 3: like the baffling list of political factions and the tenuously

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Speaker 3: hilarious and delicious texture of its own, Like it's really

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Speaker 3: pleasant the way the movie trades off between these long

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Speaker 3: demented cyborg bullet mania. Another thing I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that I think about the I was

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Speaker 3: We're the exactly Yeah, we're the odd characters out here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and not only like different wigs, different outfits, but

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Speaker 2: For me, that was the case where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, with this confusing rushing past you quality, it started

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Speaker 3: And then just in the middle of this conversation, oh,

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Speaker 3: I also just wanted to mention you ever go on

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Speaker 2: Those are all spot on. I think cyborgs should really

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Speaker 2: go first. Yeah, but yes, those are all definitely in play.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're going to talk later about the career

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Speaker 3: of Albert Pune, but he if you know anything about him,

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Speaker 3: you probably know that he made cyborg movies like most

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Speaker 2: key highlights include ninety threes Nights as in Knights the

431
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: Roundtable with Lance Hendrickson and Chris Christofferson. I was having

432
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: a look at this one more dystopia here.

433
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got Chris Christop's I think cyborgs wandering around

434
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: one desert of wandering around in the desert in Utah.

435
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: Maybe it has cyborg martial artist monks. I think in

436
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 3: the future dystopian desert.

437
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, unless see Another one is ninety three's Arcade.

438
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: This is one you've been batting around for a while

439
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: as the potential weird house selection.

440
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: I greatly enjoyed this one as well, except for it

441
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 3: has an incredibly distasteful element in it later on, but

442
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: we we may just have to get over that and

443
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: do it. I think it's going to be a Christmas

444
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: movie for us, Yeah, because it's ours a young Peter

445
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 3: Billingsley from the movie A Christmas Story. It's not actually

446
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: said at Christmas, but it's a movie about an arcade

447
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: game that comes alive and kills people. It's Christmas enough,

448
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: Christmas enough, all right.

449
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: And then Nemesis two in ninety five, so this was

450
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: the first to feature bodybuilder Sue Price as the new

451
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: cyborg character Alex Sinclair, so different last name, different Alex,

452
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: but still an Alex and still very much a cyborg

453
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: and definitely a roll crafted around it. Like an impressive

454
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: physical specimen. Then came Nemesis three and four in ninety six,

455
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: Omega Doom in ninety six as well, starring Rutger Hower,

456
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: and Pune remained active, but I believe several projects didn't

457
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: see completion late in his life due to declining health.

458
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: So Nemesis had a long gestation period apparently, and Pune

459
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: was apparently at one point intending Alex Rain our main

460
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: character to be played by thirteen year old girl. But

461
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: the producers, the Shaw brothers, this is saj h not

462
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: the sahaw Hong Kong Shaw brothers. They were the producers

463
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: on this, and they're like, we love what you have

464
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: in mind here, we love the vision, but we have

465
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: a secret weapon that we're about to unleash, or you

466
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: have already unleashed on an unsuspecting box office. We have

467
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: this thirty year old male kickboxer and want we want

468
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: him to play the main character. So just make make

469
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: adaptions adaptations here as needed. But shoehorned him in and

470
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: we're good to go.

471
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: Perfect. Wait, so was the thirteen year old girl in

472
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: the original draft going to be an lap d east

473
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: Rite commando?

474
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Like this guy is pretty much I think she was

475
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: going to be, like I mean, okay, possibly a cyborg,

476
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: very strong possibility, so it might not have been a

477
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: thirteen year old mind in the body. And I think

478
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: she was going to be like an infiltrator, so kind

479
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: of like the like the street Urchins of Sherlock Holmes,

480
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: but imagine that they work for an LAPD that is

481
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: discussed as actually an international paramilitary force, and she would

482
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: have been like reconnaissance or something.

483
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.

484
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, additional Nemesis movies have a cure have occurred,

485
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: but Pune only directed the first four, but again, plenty

486
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: of other cyborg films from Pune, two, three, and four

487
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: All star Sue Price a little information about the sequels,

488
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: just so I've written in case Smione was curious. Nemesis

489
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: two is going to take place seventy three years in

490
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: the future and it's a desert chase movie. Nemesis three

491
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: is a time travel movie that takes place in nineteen

492
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: ninety eight, made at least partially with leftover footage from two,

493
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: and then allegedly I've read that Nemesis four was kind

494
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: of an fu to Bob Weinstein when Pune was sent

495
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: back to Slovakia to do reshoots on a film titled

496
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Adrenaline Fear the Rush. This had Christoph Lamber and Natasha

497
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Heinstridge chasing a ghoule in some sort of a dilapidated

498
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: set or location, and he was He just went ahead

499
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: and shot a fourth Nemesis movie while he was there,

500
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: and it's generally considered his most naked film.

501
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: Wait. Sorry, I just had to look something up because

502
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure I was remembering this right.

503
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: I remember, this is not the only Albert pun movie

504
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: starring Christoph Lambert. He also did an action movie starring

505
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: Can you believe this this duo? Could you even imagine

506
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: the power of Christoph Lambert and Iced Tea? Oh god,

507
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: it's like a buddy action movie with those two. That's perfect.

508
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: I mean it had to be.

509
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Called Mean Guns nineteen ninety seven. I haven't seen it,

510
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: so I can't vouch, but I mean, what could it be?

511
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: A bit amazing?

512
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I think it has a following. I was looking around

513
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: at different threads for people were recommending Pean films and

514
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: some were naming that film. So yeah, again, I'm kind

515
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: of excited about watching or Nemesis films I'm at the

516
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, I'm at that point where I have to

517
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: ask a real existential question, like how many more movie

518
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: viewings do I have left in my life? Do three

519
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: of them really need to be Nemesis movies? I don't

520
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: know hard to answer.

521
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: You got at least three left, and I think I

522
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: think we know what those three are gonna be. Yeah, yeah,

523
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: So you know how to describe what's going on with

524
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: Albert Pune. I loved a Nemesis and I have and

525
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: it has this cheery, in just deeply kind of goofy

526
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: enjoyable quality. I have seen some people online comparing Pune

527
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: to more famous directors of just notably failed movies, like

528
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: comparing him to ed Wood, and I can see the

529
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: comparison in the sense of making low budget B movies

530
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: with an infectious sense of joy and excitement. But I

531
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: do not see that comparison in in terms of the

532
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: level of competence in making the films. I think the

533
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 3: Pune movies I've seen, and especially Nemesis, are definitely several

534
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: steps above what you're getting with Edwood movies.

535
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, with ed Wood, I feel like there was there

536
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: was definitely passion there. There were also you know, various

537
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: problems going on for him, he had his demons, but

538
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: there was also a sense of like, my passion has

539
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: been realized as cinema and so now we're good to go.

540
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how good that cinema is, but it

541
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: has been cemented where you know, with Pune, like, yeah,

542
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: I feel like, especially with Nemesis, here there does seem

543
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: to be a real passion and determination to make it

544
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: look good and make it entertaining.

545
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Nemesis is funny, but it also has genuine virtues.

546
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think you it seems to me

547
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: you see more sort of historic Pune dismissal. And since

548
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: his passing, I think there has been a critical reevaluation

549
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: of his work, certainly in the circles of film fans,

550
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: where people you know, admire BAT movies and find things

551
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: to love about BT movies. Certainly that the world that

552
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: we occupy, And so I've seen him singled out for

553
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: his visual style. He's resourceful and even guerrilla style production sensibilities,

554
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: his serious treatment of cyberpunk themes even when embedded in

555
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: just delirious crazy action, and the strong use of female leads,

556
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: which you know certainly can be found in multiple productions

557
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: of his.

558
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the place in the outline where I

559
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: actually took down that quote of his about cyborgs. So

560
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: what he said was, I have really no interest in

561
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: cyborg's and I've never really had any interest in post

562
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: apocalyptic stories or settings. It just seemed that those situations

563
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: presented a way for me to make movies with very

564
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: little money and to explore ideas that I really wanted

565
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: to explore. And you know what, I believe him. Obviously

566
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: he made lots of cyborg movies, post to apocalyptic movies,

567
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: but it's clear that at some level he just wanted

568
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: to tell stories and hash out something about conflicts about

569
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: identity within a character or maybe like fear of loss

570
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: of humanity or something, and the cyborg setting was a

571
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: way that you could do that with, you know, maybe

572
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: a way that you could do that in a way

573
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: that you could secure funding to make a movie that

574
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: touched on those kinds of themes. So I don't know,

575
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: hats off to Albert Pune. I am loving what I'm

576
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: seeing so far.

577
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, let's get into the cast here, and

578
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and lay things out based on faction,

579
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: which might be might be a mistake, but hopefully this

580
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: will make things a little easier to follow.

581
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: Well, well, hold on, before we do that, can I

582
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: just say I think this is a good idea because

583
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: it'll make more sense to talk about the movie this way.

584
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: But I do just want to flag before we lay

585
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: things out by faction that I fear by doing that

586
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: and by talking about the plot the way we normally do,

587
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: like explaining all the details and organizing the characters into

588
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: their factions, we might give the wrong idea about the

589
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: feeling created when you're watching this movie for the first time,

590
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: which is again, you're watching and it's like a for me,

591
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: a thoroughly entertaining, enjoyable experience. But also I have no

592
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: idea what's going on. I don't know who's working for who.

593
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't know who these characters are, or or like

594
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: who's a Cyborgan why?

595
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: Or who indeed is the villains the I mean we exactly, Yeah,

596
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: I really it's a tough question to answer for sure.

597
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: So anyway, just please listeners keep that in mind. We're

598
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: going to be presenting the story to you in a

599
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: way that I think is maybe artificially well organized and clear.

600
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: Just try to imagine if you're watching the movie, this

601
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: information is coming at you in random order in a

602
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 3: way that like you will be baffled by. Yes.

603
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: And also nobody stays in their faction pretty much.

604
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: There. It's a lot of faction jumping. But sorry, you

605
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: wanted to start with the LAPD faction.

606
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: Yes, And really that's where our main character, I guess,

607
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: sort of starts off. Like he's essentially kind of like

608
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: a freelancer for them for the majority of the picture,

609
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: sort of. This is the character Alex Rain, played by

610
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Olivier Greunaire born nineteen sixty French martial artist and kickboxer

611
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: turned actor. This was only his second film role, following

612
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: his starring role in the nineteen ninety martial arts film

613
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: Angel Town, and he followed Nemesis up with a long

614
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: and ongoing career of action roles, a little fight choreography

615
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: here and there, and I'm not familiar with the vast

616
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: majority of it. I say this with love, but I

617
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: think a lot of it gets into that realm of

618
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: pure action shlock that is generally not my thing. A

619
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: lot of people love it, and there's some pure action

620
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: shlock that I love. This guy went on to be

621
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: like a major force, I would say, in the home

622
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: video action schwock.

623
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: World, Yeah, the body oil centric action film. Yeah. I

624
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: was watching a bit of behind the scenes documentary footage

625
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: and there's a snippet of Grenaire reflecting on his experience

626
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: making this film. I genuinely can't tell if he's talking

627
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: about his acting performance in the movie or his personal

628
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: behavior on set, but he says something like, I'm sure

629
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: I was acting very strange, but that is unavoidable when

630
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: you're at four percent body fat.

631
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: Well, he's definitely keeping it very tight in this film,

632
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: as are most of the actors. I get the impression

633
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: that's kind of a pune standard at least a fair

634
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: number of actors in like tip top physical shape.

635
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah sos. We get scenes of him shirtless, just exercising,

636
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: running in the sand dunes, and a lot of I

637
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: don't know, accentuation of the of the muscled form, like

638
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: it's it's all there. But you know what, Actually, there's

639
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: a there's a lingering on all sorts of body types

640
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: in the movie, because it's not just muscleman. We also

641
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: get the camera has a protracted love affair with Thomas James,

642
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: but later on and yeah, so there's just all kinds

643
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: of stuff going on with bodies.

644
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I say that the camera is kind of

645
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: pan sexual in this film. That's what I got from it. Yeah,

646
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: all right, moving on through the LAPD again, not the LAPD,

647
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, but a future LAPD that may go on

648
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: random missions to Indonesia.

649
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, international as I think you said, international paramilitary organization. Yeah, yeah,

650
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: with like a strike force. And only one scene as

651
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: far as I know, takes place in LA which is

652
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: the opening scene.

653
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: All right. The leader, I guess, of this faction, or

654
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: at least for the purposes of our plot. The main

655
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: LAPD figure is Commissioner Farnsworth, and he was played by

656
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: Tim Thomerson born nineteen forty six. Yeah, this is Jack Death.

657
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: Thomason started out, as we've discussed discussed before on the

658
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: show as a stand up comic, but then did a

659
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: whole lot of TV and film work, during which he

660
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: became a frequent player in Charles Band films. This is

661
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: our third Thomerson movie. We've covered eighty three's Metal Storm,

662
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: we've covered ninety one's Transfers two, and I'm sure we'll

663
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: cover more of his films in the future. As His

664
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: filmography includes the likes of eighty five Zone Troopers, eighty

665
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 2: seven's Cherry two thousand, that's one that I fondly remember,

666
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: ninety one's doll Man, ninety two's Bad Channels, and of

667
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: course the other Transfers movies.

668
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: I think Dollman is also a Pune film, is it? Yeah,

669
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: where Thomerson plays like a dirty, hairy alien cop who

670
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 3: is only a foot tall.

671
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: But he's not the titular doll.

672
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: Man I think he is. He's like a foot tall, yeah.

673
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, but he's not a hairy alien. He's

674
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: battling a hairy alien.

675
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: No, he's playing Sorry, he's like a dirty hairy style,

676
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: dirty tough, dirty Harry, like a tough talking, no nonsense,

677
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: brutal cop. Okay, but he's an alien who's only the

678
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: foot tall.

679
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, gotcha? Uh? In this he is an lapd

680
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: guy wearing a suit, sunglasses, generally has a machine gun,

681
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: and it's just a I think, generally a great villain here.

682
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: We've seen him with natural hero swagger in the Transfers films.

683
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: He's great in those those movies, just a real joy,

684
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: but here effortlessly eases into the role of a silver

685
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: hair at authority villain.

686
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: There is something beautiful about the way that Tim Thomerson

687
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: simultaneously has no idea what's going on in this movie,

688
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: much like the audience, but also is on fire in

689
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: this role. It's kind of captured. And again, I was

690
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: looking at some behind the scenes interviews and they're talking

691
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: to him. He says something like, I'm playing the villain

692
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: of this film. Basically I'm some kind of robot. But

693
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: in his scenes he brings this like the smoldering Skynet

694
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: eyes intensity. So I don't know, that's like a really

695
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: wonderful combination. It's obviously over his head, but also he's

696
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: all in. Yeah.

697
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: Now, obviously his character has some underlings. One of the

698
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: underlings is Germaine. Germaine is played by Nicholas Guests born

699
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one and Guest, I think without a doubt

700
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: is best known to moviegoers for his role as Todd

701
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: of Todd and Margo, the much traumatized neighbors of Clark

702
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: Griswold in nineteen eighty nine's Christmas Vacation.

703
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't make this connection that it was

704
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: the same guy. Yeah, So he plays a I guess

705
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: he's supposed to be aind of pitiable but also not

706
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: very sympathetic character in that movie. In this movie, he's

707
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: just a slimy creep.

708
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's slimy. This actor had a bit part

709
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: in Wrath Khan and it's also notable that he's the

710
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: younger brother of Christopher Guest.

711
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 3: Okay, in this movie, his character's name is Germane and

712
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: he has a German accent. I don't know if they

713
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: ever explained like his nationality being German and if that

714
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: has any significance in the film.

715
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not the only German member of the LAPD though,

716
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: because we also have the character what Merits played.

717
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: By Brian James Blade runner y Yeah. Yeah.

718
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Most well known for playing the replicant Leon and eighty

719
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: two's Blade Runner. He lived forty five through nineteen ninety nine,

720
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: but he also had a million other tough guy, heavy

721
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: and weirdo roles throughout his career. Played a general in

722
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: ninety seven's The Fifth Element. He's also in Cherry two thousand,

723
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: did a lot of sequels, a lot of TV's, a

724
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: lot of TV shows. So here though, solid goon performance

725
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: but with a weird phony German accent for some reason.

726
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just stands around saying like we have him

727
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: in our sights now. He comes off like he feels

728
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: like a like a Nazi dentist from an old movie.

729
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Yes, we also have a cyborg villain. I think this

730
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: guy's lapd but maybe not. Again, maybe it doesn't even matter.

731
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: Maybe he's Marion Mary.

732
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know who this guy is.

733
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he has a thing where his face opens

734
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: up and there's a blaster and then we get that

735
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: he's in that awesome slide battle late in the movie.

736
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: I love that part. He's one of the characters who, oh,

737
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: guess he was a cyborg because he's got a gun

738
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: inside his face.

739
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know who he works for, but

740
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: he is opposed to our hero, so he is.

741
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: I think he's he's described as a systems cowboy.

742
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever that is. He's one of those. He's played

743
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: by Tom Matthews born nineteen fifty eight. Who is this guy? Well,

744
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: American actor whose other credits include eighty five is the

745
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: Return of the Living Dead and eighty six is Friday

746
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: the Thirteenth Jason Lives.

747
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 3: That's Friday Part six. The first one with a zombie.

748
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: Jason in Oh Nice, Yeah he plays he plays what's

749
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 3: his name, Tommy Jarvis in that one the hero, but yeah,

750
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: also love him in Return of the Living Dead, where

751
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: he is the unfortunate new employee of the storage unit

752
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: where they find the zombie.

753
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: The toxin gotcha, all right, So that's LAPD. Then we

754
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: have this other faction that we've already referred to, the

755
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: Red Army Hammerheads. This is a militant anti cyborg rebel

756
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: group and they also seem multinational.

757
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: Yes, I did not figure out what was going on

758
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: with them until towards the end of my first viewing

759
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: of the movie, but they are actually a major player

760
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: in the plot. And yeah, their politics are they are

761
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 3: anti cyborg in some way.

762
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: So these characters made the only characters we can we

763
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: can give like a ninety five percent guarantee that they're

764
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: not cyborgs, but no more than ninety five. I think

765
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: ninety five is the cap for any Albert pun movie,

766
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: regardless of genre.

767
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Exactly because they The thing is with most of the

768
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: Red Army Cyborg the Red Army Hammerhead characters, they dress

769
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: like cyborgs, so like some of them show up in

770
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: the all black or with the trench coat and the sunglasses,

771
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: which is how the cyborgs are signaled when we see them.

772
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

773
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're using a lot of the tech, but it's

774
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: like somebody at some point comes along and says, that's

775
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: a cool remote you got. Wouldn't it be better if

776
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: it were like integrated with your body? And they're like, nope,

777
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: I draw the line right there, but I'll still use

778
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: the remote. So the leader of this group again at

779
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: least for the purposes of our plot, is this character

780
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: ang You Live, played by Carrie Hirooki Takawa, who lived

781
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty through twenty twenty five. So we we previously

782
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: talked about Takawa in our episode on ninety five's Mortal Kombat,

783
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: in which you of course played the villain sh Con,

784
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: and sadly the actor passed away late last year. So

785
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: in general, I would say go back and listen to

786
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: our Mortal Kombat episode if you if you want to

787
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: hear more about him, more about his other film roles.

788
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is a guy, a guy who always

789
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: had great villain swagger, great in large roles, great in

790
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: small roles. Yeah, he'll be missed, but he's pretty pretty

791
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: great here, and he is surprisingly not really the villain.

792
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: He's the leader of the good guy faction to the

793
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: extent that you can trust any faction in this film.

794
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: He seems like a villain when we first meet him,

795
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: but I get well, actually, this may be kind of

796
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: a grim dark, post apocalyptic world in which the factions

797
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: are morally gray. Even the relatively good faction is pretty ruthless.

798
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, so he's the leader of them. We don't

799
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: realize he's the leader when we first meet him, but

800
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: as with his roles in the other movies we've watched,

801
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: as within Mortal Kombat, he just owns the screen in

802
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: every scene he's in.

803
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, even with that weird accident. Yeah, okay. Another

804
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: member of the Hammerheads is Max Impact. Max Impact pops

805
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: up late in the movie, and she is played by

806
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: Merle Kennedy born nineteen sixty seven. This is our scrappy

807
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: tour guide and rebel in Java. She previously appeared in

808
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 2: ninety one's Dollar Man and was active on screen tool

809
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: around in two thousand and two, with lots of appearances

810
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: in TV shows and such genre pictures as ninety four's

811
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: Night of the Demons. Two ninety five's Leprechaun three and

812
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: the two thousand and two film May.

813
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to be unkind, but I'm gonna say

814
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: some curious, curious acting choices with this character here especially,

815
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: it really comes out in the scenes that are just

816
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 3: Olivier Grenier and Max Impact talking to each other where

817
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: You're just like, what is happening here? Yeah?

818
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: These are not the heavy lifters when it comes to

819
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: dialogue in this movie. They're both in tremendous physical shape though,

820
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: so there's at least halfway there.

821
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, though I loved her scenes, like

822
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: the line deliveries were very bizarrely formed, and so the

823
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: character brings an incredibly strange energy. But I was never

824
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: bored while I was watching them, Like their scenes were

825
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: highly entertaining.

826
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: She felt to me like a combination of Peter Pan

827
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: and tinker Bell, but with a rocket launcher.

828
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like highly violent martial arts Peter Pan tinker Bell. Yeah,

829
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: I agree, all right.

830
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: And then another member of the Hammerheads we have the

831
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: character Yoshirohan, played by Yuji Okamoto born nineteen fifty nine,

832
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: American actor with credits going back to eighty four. He

833
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: even pops up in eighty six is The Karate Kid

834
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Part two. Other credits, often small or background roles, include

835
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: ninety three's Robot Wars, ninety seven's Contact, two thousand's Fortress two,

836
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: two thousand and six is Big Mama's House two, and

837
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: twenty ten's Inception. Still Active also produces all right, okay,

838
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: freelance cyborgs and associates. This is kind of this isn't

839
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: really a faction. This is kind of I guess the

840
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: rest and I think all.

841
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: The Lost and Found bucket of gay.

842
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all cyborgs. So we have this character, Jared,

843
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: who's going to be important later on. Played by Marjorie

844
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: Monahan born nineteen sixty four American actress, active from nineteen

845
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: ninety through about two thousand and five, mostly on TV,

846
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: but with small supporting roles in such films as nineteen nineties,

847
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: The Bonfire, The Vanities, and ninety ones. Regarding Henry, she

848
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: did seven episodes of Babylon five, and she was also

849
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: in a mid ninety sci fi series called Space Rangers.

850
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I would say, cool presence, very cool voice. She's going

851
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: to not have a body for a large Porsche of

852
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: the picture. She's going to be in a essentially in

853
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: an iPhone.

854
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: Did you get the sense that this character they were

855
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: trying to create a Meg Foster like presence with her.

856
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: That's the feeling I got, and I think she mostly

857
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: gets there.

858
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, yeah, but this was Yeah, you

859
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: could easily imagine Meg Foster doing this role. All right,

860
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: Another cyborg character we have, Sam, Sam is going to

861
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: be very important? Is Sam kind of the leader of

862
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: this group or the second and hard to say?

863
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: Hard to say. Sam is a character who does not

864
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 3: seem important at all when you actually meet her, but

865
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: then many scenes later, characters are talking about her and

866
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: making you realize, like, oh, I really should have paid

867
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: attention to who that was.

868
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I guess she's the main villain now

869
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: you've realized later in the film, But.

870
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: You never see her again in the form she took

871
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: when you've originally met her. You only see her in

872
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 3: an altered body later on. Yes.

873
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: So Sam is played by Margene Holden born nineteen sixty four,

874
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: and we have another Mortal Kombat connection because she played

875
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: Shiva the fore Armed Warrior in ninety seven's Annihilation. She

876
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: also had parts in eighty nine Strip to Kill Two

877
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure eighty nine's Doctor Caligari, and

878
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: two John Carpenter films, Vampires and Ghost of Mars. All right,

879
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: so some fun flicks in there. Okay, we also have Julian.

880
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Julian is definitely a cyborg and has some great scenes.

881
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: Played by Deborah Shelton born nineteen forty eight. She was

882
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: Miss USA nineteen seventy. She was a nineteen seventy four

883
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: Playboy cover girl. I had to look this up. This

884
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: episode of this edition rather of Playboy that she's in,

885
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: also featured a spread on Sean Connery and Charlotte Rampling

886
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: about the movie Zardas, and featured fiction by Joyce Carol Oates.

887
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, what does that issue your sell for on eBay?

888
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't know some of these I think you can

889
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: pick them. They publish so many copies of these things.

890
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: You can probably get them reasonably cheap if you don't

891
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: care about quality.

892
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: Does Playboy still published literary fiction? That would be hilarious

893
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: if it still did.

894
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that bit. I mean, I don't know.

895
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: Playboy reachers right in and let us know. But certainly

896
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: back in the day they did other credits for Shelton

897
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: include eighty two's Blood Tide that has let's say we've

898
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: looked at that one before. That's like a sea creature movie.

899
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: She's also in Brian de Palmer's Body Double from eighty four.

900
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: I think she plays a pretty major character in that

901
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: and has high billing. Certainly, I think brings the body

902
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: to that picture circuitry Man two and ninety four in

903
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: three seasons of TV's Dallas's.

904
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: She is confident and commanding in this movie. She plays

905
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: a cyborg who has to set our hero right when

906
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: our hero is at one of his lowest points and

907
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: get him, like launch him on his true mission after

908
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: he has been set astray on a false mission. Yeah,

909
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: and she does so with great confidence and verve. And

910
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: then she gets shot like ten thousand times by other

911
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: cyborgs and exploded. Yeah. Yeah.

912
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: It's a commanding presence here, and she seems all in

913
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: on the performance. Yeah, all right. We also have Rosaria.

914
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: This is like a minor Cyde Work character played by

915
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: Jennifer She's not a cyborg. She was I thought she

916
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: was a cyborg at first. She's one of the anti

917
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: cyborg people. Oh see, sometimes you gets hard to tell

918
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 2: in this future. She's played by Jennifer Gotti born nineteen

919
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: sixty eight, American actress of TV and film who started

920
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: out with a whole bunch of episodes of the soap

921
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: Search for Tomorrow in eighty three, and she'd go on

922
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: to do two different tracks, two different CSI's, and a

923
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: supporting cast member on TV's Vice Principles from twenty sixteen

924
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 2: through twenty seventeen. All right, Thomas Jane is in this Yes,

925
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: plays a character named Billy Moon born nineteen sixty nine,

926
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: the star of nineteen ninety nine's Deep Blue Sea, which

927
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: we previously covered Jane. You know, go back and listen

928
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: to that if you want to hear more about Thomas Jane.

929
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: And his character is kind of a bit roll here,

930
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: and he stays naked for the entire duration of his

931
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: screen time.

932
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: His entire arc in this movie, never puts his clothes on,

933
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: never leaves the room where we meet him.

934
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: That's right, And as IMDb points out, ye ample shots

935
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: at his butt much younger here though that I'm used

936
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: to seeing him, so Honestly, if I didn't know it

937
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: was him, I'm not sure I would have recognized Thomas Jane. Yeah,

938
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: this was pretty early in his filmography.

939
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: I you know, mainly now I associate him with his

940
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: role in The Expanse.

941
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

942
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: Certainly some strong cyberpunk elements to that role as well.

944
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: And he yeah, I think Thomas Jane's terrific, But this

945
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: was very early, good, early days for him.

946
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: He is a great actor, but he has almost nothing

947
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: to do in this movie. He just stands there naked

948
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: looking out a window for several scenes smoking a cigarette,

949
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: and then the bad guy from Cyborg the movie Cyborg

950
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 3: just comes into the room and kill him.

951
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: Let's see. Jackie Earle Haley could say the same thing

952
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: about him, who plays the character Einstein in this who's

953
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 2: like basically what a cyborg tech dude, cyborg doctor.

954
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: I think he is affiliated with the Red Army hammerheads. Okay,

955
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: we only meet him at the very end of the movie.

956
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: He's the guy there to do some cyborg patch up

957
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 3: and be a tech wizard at the end who unleashes

958
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: the data chip on the to do whatever it's supposed

959
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: to do. Yeah.

960
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, But of course, Haley, as an American child actor

961
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: turned grown up character actor, always had a knack for

962
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: weirdos credits. Going back to seventy two. His films include

963
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: ninety one's Dollar Man, ninety two's Maniac Cop three, two

964
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: thousand and nine's Watchman, Shutter Island in twenty ten, A

965
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: Nightmare on Elm Street in twenty ten, which he of

966
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: course plays Freddy Krueger, twenty twelves Lincoln, and much more

967
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: so small role. And again I don't know if I

968
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: would have recognized him or even had time to recognize

969
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: him if I didn't know he going to.

970
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: Be in it. What a strange and interesting and varied career.

971
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: So he's in these Albert Pewan movies in the early nineties,

972
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: doing doll Man and doing Nemesis. Then he's in Watchman,

973
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: he plays Rorshak.

974
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: He does yeah so may it major a character?

975
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: And then he's also in Lincoln. That's Steven Spielberg Lincoln.

976
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I forget who he plays in Lincoln, but yeah.

977
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: I think he plays he plays one of the Confederate leaders.

978
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 3: He's Jefferson Davis or somebody.

979
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, And and Freddy Krueger, and on the whole.

980
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: The two bousand ten's Nightmare on Elm Street. I know

981
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: people are very divided on it, or maybe they're not

982
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: even divided. Most people don't like it, but I enjoyed

983
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: it at the time, and I kind of liked his

984
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: his Freddy, but you know, it was a different, different Freddy.

985
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: It was mostly a no jokes Freddy, all right. And

986
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: then finally, the composer is Michael Rubini born nineteen forty two.

987
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: We've talked about him before because he did the score

988
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: for eighty Three's The Hunger, and he also did the

989
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: score for eighty six is Man Hunter. He was a

990
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: prolific Sessions musician, piano fighter, if you will, a member

991
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: of the Wrecking Crew, a Sessions musician collective that was

992
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: active in the sixties and seventies. I'd say the score

993
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: here is fine. It maybe a little cheesy at times.

994
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: Maybe it should be a little cheesy at times. But

995
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: there were a couple of stretches in the film where

996
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, man, everything that's happening visually

997
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: on the screen is just so impressive. The score feels

998
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 2: like it should be like a step or two higher

999
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: in quality to really meet what I'm seeing on the screen.

1000
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: But again, this is highly subjective.

1001
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: I know what you like, I know what you want.

1002
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: You want that sense.

1003
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: Score if it had been a little sentier, Yes, I

1004
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: think it would have. It would have tickled me more,

1005
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: but again that's just me.

1006
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's it didn't really stand out much

1007
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: to me, but there were some good elements. But it

1008
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: also had the kind of thing where, you know, it's

1009
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: the sort of movie where a character, two characters start

1010
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: kissing and then there's a saxophone lick comes in. Yeah,

1011
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: they gotta love that.

1012
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, you're ready to talk about the plot?

1013
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: I think so.

1014
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: I think we've set the pieces on the table on

1015
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: the game board, and now it's time to get out

1016
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: the five hundred page rule book to determine how to

1017
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: play it.

1018
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: Perfect amazing. Yeah, we're about to begin a game of

1019
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: Warhammer and it's ten pm and we're starting. Okay, So,

1020
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: as we said earlier, you will somewhat get the wrong

1021
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: idea of the feeling of the movie from the level

1022
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: which we're about to explain it, because this is with

1023
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: the aid of a second viewing and notes, So we're

1024
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: bringing some organization here that it doesn't feel like when

1025
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: you watch the movie. So just imagine being more kind

1026
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: of lost and bathing in the vibes, bathe wallowing in

1027
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: the cyborg pools as you will. One thing I did

1028
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: want to flag at the beginning of the movie is

1029
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: that the production company, Imperial Entertainment, has two different logos

1030
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: and they both play before the movie. The first one

1031
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: looks like it should be on a beer bottle. Did

1032
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: you notice this?

1033
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does remind me a little bit of what

1034
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: am I thinking of? A sing high? Is that the one?

1035
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: I make the name wrong, But I don't know what

1036
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: It reminds me.

1037
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: The beer that you get at Thai restaurants.

1038
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I get anyway. Yeah, so it's got

1039
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: like a like a lion griffin type thing. It looks

1040
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: like it should be like Imperial genuine draft. But then anyway,

1041
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: The film begins with mysterious flute music and a fade

1042
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: in on a man's head staring off to the side, expressionless, unmoving.

1043
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: He is wearing these double rimmed sunglasses that rob would

1044
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: you say that these are borgie sunglasses?

1045
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: They're a little borgie. Yeah, you get the sense there

1046
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: might not be humanized behind those glasses.

1047
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so opening my, you'll have to imagine this. I

1048
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: can't pretend to do the accent or the delivery perfectly,

1049
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: but think of this with a very uninflected, flat delivery

1050
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: with a heavy French accent. When the uplink came through

1051
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: with the work orders, I had a strange feeling everything

1052
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: was about to change for me. Maybe it just had

1053
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: something to do with the way the world is today,

1054
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: bio enhanced gangsters, information terrorists, cyborg outlaws. And then we

1055
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: fade in on a shot of the Los Angeles City skyline,

1056
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: which we see behind this translucent orange haze. I think

1057
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: this is supposed to show how polluted the future is, Like,

1058
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: oh no, they're putting all this orange in the air.

1059
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: And what year is it? The screen tells us we

1060
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: mentioned this earlier. It's twenty twenty seven, baby. So I

1061
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: was thinking at this point, like, damn, should we have

1062
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: waited one more year to cover Nemesis? But I couldn't wait.

1063
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, the vault will be timely, so it'll work

1064
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: here you go.

1065
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. So the monologue goes on. He continues saying

1066
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 3: everything's so congested with high tech overload that you start

1067
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: to feel a little numb. There's an old saying in

1068
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: my business, it pays to be more than human. I'm

1069
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: not so sure anymore.

1070
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: I think we're on track. I think we think things

1071
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: are gonna match up. This feels like the twenty twenty

1072
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: seven we're moving towards.

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah future correctly predicted. Good job, Albert Pume. But one

1074
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: thing I wanted to know, so we've said that there

1075
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: are things like this. Again, the setting is funny in

1076
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, but every now and then I'm like,

1077
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting. And the interesting thing here at

1078
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: the beginning is that we're getting this inversion of expectations

1079
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: with the idea that in this world, the age old

1080
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: conventional wisdom is it's good to become a cyborg. That

1081
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 3: pays off, it's a good thing. But as of late,

1082
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: our protagonist has a dawning awareness that possibly it is

1083
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: bad to become a side.

1084
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that again, I think a lot of us

1085
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: can relate to that when we, you know, we don't

1086
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: actually have metal parts. Well, some of us the metal

1087
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: parts in our bodies, but we are not cyborgs in

1088
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: the sense that this movie sees cyborgs. But there is

1089
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: a certain amount of technological integration with the average person's

1090
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: life today that I think a lot of us are

1091
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: like sort of halfway through the transformation and we're realizing,

1092
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, some of these augments were not a good

1093
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: idea exactly right.

1094
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: So I think this is actually interesting and clever. Where

1095
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: we're halfway through the transformation, as you say, we're already

1096
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: becoming part machine. And it's just standard conventional wisdom that

1097
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: this is the correct way to optimize yourself, to become

1098
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: more valuable, to increase your opportunities. You have to integrate

1099
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 3: with the new technology to become a better human. But

1100
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: at some point you start wondering, wait, was this a

1101
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 3: bad idea? Anyway, the action begins. You've got Olivier Greunair

1102
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: here playing this cop named Alex Rain. He busts into

1103
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: a hotel room with a woman. They're making out, rolling

1104
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: on the walls and panting, and the room is also

1105
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: orange inside too, so like the air quality alert is

1106
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: it got the inside air too? It's not good. Then

1107
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 3: suddenly the woman grabs Alex Rain by the throat and

1108
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: starts choking him with one hand, and she says, move

1109
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: and I'll crush your throat, and she frisks him for weapons,

1110
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: And while she's frisking him, the hubb a hubb a

1111
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: saxophone riff plays and eventually she seems satisfied. I guess

1112
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: that he doesn't have any weapons, and she lets off

1113
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 3: the pressure on his throat and she says, you can't

1114
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: be too careful these days, there's undercover police everywhere. So

1115
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: then she starts getting sexy again, but out of nowhere,

1116
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: Alex Rain pulls out a handgun.

1117
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: I think it's her handgun, right, I think he pulls

1118
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: her okay, like a holster at the small of her back.

1119
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got a gun tucked into her skirt. He

1120
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: pulls out her handgun shoots her and I was like,

1121
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: oh no, But then sparks fly everywhere and she turns

1122
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: back to him, revealing a big hole in her head

1123
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: with wires and circuit boards dangling out everywhere. So, oh,

1124
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 3: I guess she was a cyborg or a robot. Many

1125
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: such moments to come like this in the film. So

1126
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: she curses at him and says he's a cop, and

1127
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: he curses at her and calls her a terrorist, and

1128
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: then we get the title screen looks kind of like

1129
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: the Transformer's logo. Do you notice that?

1130
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Nemesis. Not sure what the title really means.

1131
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: Who is the Nemesis? Who is it? Where we're talking

1132
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: about Nemesis in the Greek sense, or are we talking

1133
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: about it in the sense of just bad guys, and

1134
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: of which we seem to have plenty.

1135
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I'm ashamed to say this.

1136
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: I feel like I would need to refresh myself on

1137
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: the myth to understand if the myth has much connection

1138
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: with the film.

1139
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong. Yeah,

1140
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: the mythic origin of Nemesis is it is it's divine

1141
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 2: retribution against like abusers of.

1142
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: Power and tyrants and so forth.

1143
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know that's the kind of thing that

1144
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: could fit into a cyborg dystopian cyberpunk world, but I'm

1145
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: not sure if we really see that here.

1146
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, the scene resumes and the robot Lady's

1147
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 3: body is lying on the floor with its head blown off,

1148
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: and it's got the little servos worrying and a rubber

1149
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 3: tongue flicking back and forth. Alex Rain is strapping up

1150
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: for an action scene, so we see him like packing

1151
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,959
Speaker 3: a bunch of guns under his duster coat and taking

1152
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: drags of a cigarette. Some cool electric guitar music lets

1153
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 3: us know that things are about to get super sick,

1154
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 3: and before he leaves the hotel room, he stops to

1155
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: get some one liners in on the dead robot. It's

1156
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: like the laying there still shooting sparks on the bed,

1157
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 3: and he says, again, imagine that French accent flat delivery.

1158
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 3: He says, you see, laundering data can be dangerous. And

1159
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 3: then it's like maybe that one didn't work, so he

1160
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: does another one liner. He says, you break the law,

1161
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: you go to hell.

1162
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, now's the time to workshop some one liners, you know,

1163
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: because it's a captive audience that's not gonna they can't

1164
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: really criticize you too much.

1165
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Alex Rain leaves the hotel room and he

1166
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: heads down the hall. On the way to the elevator,

1167
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: he passes a group of four people, two men, two women,

1168
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: all wearing sunglasses indoors. He's also wearing sunglasses indoors. These

1169
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: four seem like bad news, like maybe they're gangsters or something,

1170
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 3: and Alex Rain escapes down the employee elevator. The gangsters

1171
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: here find the mutilated robot or cyborg or whatever it

1172
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: is who they call their courier, and they figure out

1173
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 3: that the guy they passed in the hall was an

1174
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: lapd agent and that he I think he took something

1175
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: from the machine lady, though it's never very clear what that.

1176
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: Was, and maybe a drive something.

1177
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they chase him out of the hotel and

1178
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: into an abandoned and dust real park that is full

1179
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: of these crumbling, half collapsed factory buildings where they are

1180
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 3: going to have an extended gunfight that I'm not going

1181
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 3: to narrate blow by blow, but I do want to

1182
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 3: note some interesting and funny things about it, many of

1183
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: which are true of the other action scenes that will

1184
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: come later in the movie. So interesting, good and funny

1185
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 3: things about it. One thing that's good about it is

1186
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 3: this action scene has beats. Yeah, long time long time

1187
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: listeners will have heard me complaining before about gunfight scenes

1188
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: in action movies, which at least half the time I

1189
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: think are actually quite boring because usually the reason is

1190
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: they don't have any drama in them.

1191
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one side shoots, the other side shoots,

1192
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: people are talking and seeking cover or they're getting hit,

1193
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 2: but that's about all there is to it. Yeah, these

1194
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: action sequences tell a story, like there is a language

1195
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: of action here that just absolutely works. But it is also,

1196
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of impossible to to summarize for the podcast.

1197
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So. The normal action scene that I get

1198
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: bored by is is when where there are no interesting

1199
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: developments or exchanges of power. It's like you said, it's

1200
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: just close up of one person shooting, then close up

1201
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: of another person shooting, until somebody gets shot. They don't

1202
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: feel unpredictable or like anything changes. Not the case with Nemesis.

1203
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: In one sense, the action scenes are usually funny because

1204
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 3: of how much overkill there is in the amount of gunfire.

1205
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: Like it's not just too much shooting, it is beyond

1206
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: too much shooting. Yes, it has these like Lady Terminator

1207
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: levels of gunplay, which is in once it's that's so

1208
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 3: over the top it becomes funny. But the action scenes

1209
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: also have this level of drama in that they're interesting

1210
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 3: and unpredictable. They're kind of playful with this whimsical fantasy

1211
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: logic at work. Lots of things happen in them that

1212
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 3: you could not do in reality. So, for example, Alex

1213
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: Rain is running into this industrial park and he's got

1214
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: a shotgun in his hands, and he's got to run.

1215
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: There's like a chain link fence in front of him,

1216
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: and he just shoots the chain link fence with his shotgun,

1217
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: and the fence pops open. There's like a hole in

1218
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: it for him to go through. I'm no shotgun expert.

1219
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 3: I don't think that would work. I don't think you

1220
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 3: can do that. But yeah, so he like does that.

1221
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: But it works as just a cartoony, dramatic beat in

1222
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 3: this story that makes it continually interesting because things like

1223
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 3: that keep happening.

1224
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like there's almost like an anime level

1225
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: of action to this film. Things that don't really make

1226
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: sense in the real world, but they make sense within

1227
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: the action economy of the action language of the picture.

1228
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: Here it is just how their world.

1229
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: Works, unnatural extensions of things where like like he will

1230
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 3: be like fall down on his back and slide down

1231
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 3: something on his back while shooting and fighting someone, and

1232
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: there's this time dilation effect where while he's sliding down

1233
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: the hill, all these different things happen while you can

1234
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: be fighting somebody that would like there's no way all

1235
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: of that could be fit into the time it would

1236
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: take to slide down the hill, but they do it.

1237
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 3: It's got that fantasy extension of time and I love it, yea.

1238
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, you've got like these really

1239
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 3: funny things, like the way everybody is dressed. So Alex

1240
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: Rain is wearing a suit and a skinny tie under

1241
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 3: a long, heavy trench coat, and it looks hot outside,

1242
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: and you can see that the material of this coat

1243
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,520
Speaker 3: is very thick. Of course, everybody's got these cool cyber sunglasses.

1244
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: And then in this scene you see the first four

1245
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 3: henchmen that come after him are like three huge dudes

1246
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: in sunglasses, blazers and suit jackets with guns, and also

1247
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 3: one lady in this extremely short party dress with a

1248
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: duffel bag full of weapons.

1249
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the weapons are all you know. I don't

1250
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: have a great eye for guns. Some people love to

1251
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: like identify what guns are being used, what's been done

1252
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: to them, what sort of little additions have been like

1253
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 2: say put on an old World War two era pistol

1254
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: to make it a Star Wars pistol. But to my eye,

1255
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: at any rate, these guns are gussied up in a

1256
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: fun way where they take on these like additional cyberpunk

1257
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: dimensions where I don't know, there are different extra tubes,

1258
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,440
Speaker 2: extra rocket launchers, extra components.

1259
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're more like there're things like Decord's gun and

1260
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: blade run or like Robocops gun. They're like not really

1261
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,839
Speaker 3: existing types of things, sort of sci fi. Also, eventually

1262
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: in this gunfight, another gangster shows up. It's this woman

1263
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: named Rosaria who is dressed like a like a cyborg

1264
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 3: elf who works for Captain Hook. She's got the tech

1265
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 3: noir sunglasses, a black pirate coat with an upturned Dracula collar,

1266
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 3: black gloves, tight brown pants, thigh high black boots that

1267
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 3: have almost a Santa's Workshop kind of feeling to them.

1268
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 3: And then she's holding this enormous long gun with like

1269
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 3: four supplemental scopes on it.

1270
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: And you're telling me, though, this lady not a cyborg.

1271
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: Not that's the crazy thing I'm watching. I'm like, okay,

1272
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 3: so he's fighting cyborgs. She's obviously a cyborg, but if

1273
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: you listen to their dialogue later, she's very anti cyborg.

1274
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 3: So she could be a cyborg who's anti cyborg. But

1275
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: we never see wires pop out of her when she

1276
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: gets hurt like we do with the other cyborgs. We

1277
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 3: do meet other cyborgs who are anti cyborg, Like Jared

1278
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: turns out to be anti cyborg even though she's a cyborg.

1279
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I guess case may be partially open,

1280
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 3: but I'm like ninety five percent sure that's as high

1281
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: as we can go on the Pewan scale. Ninety five

1282
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 3: percent sure that Rosaria here is not a cyborg. She's

1283
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: flesh and blood. So in this fight, Alex Rain gets

1284
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 3: chased off the roof of this half collapsed building by

1285
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: two remaining gangsters or terrors whatever they are. It's the

1286
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 3: two women who are left, and he hides in a

1287
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 3: nearby building while they shoot bullets and rockets at him.

1288
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 3: At one point they blow him up pretty good and

1289
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: we see sparks and metal coming out of his leg

1290
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: and he says arc that knee was brand new, So, oh, okay,

1291
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 3: here's where we find out. I guess our protagonist is

1292
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 3: a cyborg too, or at least he had a robot knee.

1293
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: And this is the part where I'm wondering, like, wait

1294
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 3: a minute, are the people he's fighting cyborgs? I thought

1295
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: they were.

1296
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: But luckily the movies, the movie moves so quickly you

1297
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: don't have too much time to worry about these things

1298
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 2: because then something else is going to explode.

1299
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, Alex Rain finds a terribly cute puppy in

1300
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: this exploding abandoned factory that's on fire.

1301
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, completely extra but absolutely adorable.

1302
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 3: Fuzzy puppy in there, and he's like, I must protect puppy.

1303
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: So he protects the puppy by hiding it in a

1304
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: metal locker. And then, despite his injury, ra Alex Rain

1305
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 3: continues to fight. He kills one of the two other fighters,

1306
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: and then the only one left is Rosaria, the pirate elf.

1307
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 3: And oh we also see on her hand she has

1308
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: a little tattoo in the shape of a hammerhead shark.

1309
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: So Alex gets incapacitated by an explosion and then Rosaria

1310
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 3: comes to confront him and she stands over his mangled body,

1311
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: and then these two exchange some acting. This is funny

1312
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 3: because Olivier here he continues that the uninflected delivery, while

1313
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 3: the actress playing Rosaria positively just spits every line at him.

1314
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 3: She says, cops are animals. You don't know who that

1315
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: woman was back in the room. You don't know who

1316
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: I am. And he says, you're a terrorist, and she says,

1317
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: you're confused. We're trying to save humankind and you you

1318
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 3: protect the machines. Well, no, wonder you protect them, and

1319
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: then she looks down at the wiggling metal parts that

1320
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: are blown out of his leg. She says, you are

1321
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: mostly machine. You're not really human anymore, are you, And

1322
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: he counters he's got a good comeback. He says, eighty

1323
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,919
Speaker 3: six point five percent is still human, and then she sneers,

1324
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: and she says, none of you is human, never was,

1325
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 3: and then she starts shooting him in the machine parts.

1326
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 3: It's sort of a gun torture scene resembling the death

1327
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 3: of Alex Murphy and RoboCop. But before she finishes him off,

1328
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: she has to get in some more insults. She tells

1329
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 3: him he has no idea what's going on. She says

1330
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 3: he's just stupid, and when she's done with him, there's

1331
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: no way that they'll be able to put him back together.

1332
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 3: But Alex Rain the thirteen point five percent cyborg has

1333
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 3: some tricks up his sleeve. So while she's leaning over

1334
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 3: him heaping on all of the scorn, he thrusts his

1335
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 3: knee up at her and one of the exposed metal

1336
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: parts from his knee stabs her in the side, so

1337
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: he got her, and then a hovering police drone shows up.

1338
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 3: Rosari crawls away. The cute puppy comes out of the

1339
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 3: locker and begins to lick Alex's wounds, And I was

1340
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: just thinking, I hope that puppy does not cut its

1341
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 3: tongue on the robot parts. That's a complication. You didn't

1342
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 3: think about it.

1343
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that.

1344
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: After this, we get a copy of the sequence in

1345
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: RoboCop where we see from Alex Murphy's perspective as his

1346
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 3: body is being reassembled by the scientists and modified with

1347
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: the machine parts, and it's got all the things from

1348
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: that scene are playing through, so it's complete with the

1349
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 3: traumatic echoing memory of a woman saying something emotionally painful. Now,

1350
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 3: in the case of RoboCop, it's Murphy remembering something something

1351
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: sharp that his wife said. In the case of Nemesis,

1352
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: it is Alex Rain remembering things that the terrorist Rosaria

1353
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 3: said to him directly before she shot him. So we

1354
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,520
Speaker 3: get the you're not really human? Are you not really human?

1355
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 3: Not really human echoing in his mind, and presumably after

1356
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 3: all this he is actually now less than eighty six

1357
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 3: point five percent human, though I don't remember if they

1358
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 3: state what percent human he's down to after each modification.

1359
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have had like a running percentile on

1360
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: the corner of the screen. That would have been helpful.

1361
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: So next we cut to sometime in the future. A

1362
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: text legend tells us that this is a place called Baja,

1363
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 3: New America. I'm guessing this is Baja and what is

1364
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 3: now Mexico. And we see a man running shirtless, barefoot

1365
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 3: in the desert, crunching over the tops of sand dunes,

1366
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: and he has a dog running with him. It's a

1367
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 3: big husky that looks like it's probably not enjoying the

1368
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 3: hot weather.

1369
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: It's the puppy from earlier.

1370
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the puppy grew up. And Alex says in voiceover,

1371
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 3: it took them six months to put me back together,

1372
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: synthetic flesh, bioengineered organs. It always scared me that they

1373
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: might take out my soul and replace it with some

1374
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: goddamn matrix chip. Is that a thing that can happen

1375
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 3: in this world? We don't know.

1376
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, being is he being ridiculous here,

1377
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 2: or is that just like straight up matrix chips will

1378
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: replace your soul?

1379
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: Don't know? He says, I ended up in this god

1380
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: forsaken place on the edge of existence, the kind of

1381
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: place where people on the run go to be forgotten.

1382
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: I was there to recuperate. And we see Alex rain

1383
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 3: now in better shape than ever. So he's lean, muscle

1384
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: bound with a new haircut. In the earlier scenes his

1385
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 3: hair was short but still kind of shaggy. Here it

1386
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 3: is a military fade, so he looks like he's peak peak,

1387
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: you know, condition uh, and he he injects himself in

1388
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 3: the neck with some kind of capsule. There will be

1389
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: much made of this later. I think it is some

1390
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: kind of painkiller. It's unclear to what extent this drug

1391
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: use is legal or illegal, but they call this behavior

1392
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: speed loading.

1393
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: So the way, there's certainly a character judgment involved when

1394
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: someone is accused of being a speedloader.

1395
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 3: So there's a scene where Alex goes to a bar

1396
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 3: which looks like it looks like a movie set. It

1397
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: looks like a built western town movie.

1398
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. This feels like something straight out of a Fallout

1399
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 2: video game, where yes, you're out in the in the

1400
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 2: midst of the wilds and you need to stop in

1401
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: and spit a few caps on some water, and I'm

1402
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: like a lizard on a stick.

1403
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, howdy, partner, I'll sell you some rat away. Yeah.

1404
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 3: So he goes to a bar. He's still barefoot, by

1405
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: the way, He's wearing bored shorts and a T shirt.

1406
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: He sits down, he orders a beer, and he sits

1407
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 3: there wearing sunglasses across from a man and a woman

1408
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 3: also wearing sunglasses. And the lady comes up to him

1409
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 3: and introduces herself as Rosaria, and Alex sees a hammerhead

1410
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 3: tattoo on her hand, and he says he's here to

1411
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: get even. He calls her a terrorist, and then she

1412
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: and the other dude in the bar they freak out.

1413
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 3: The other dude tries to draw a gun and Alex

1414
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 3: shoots them both, saying remember la. So the implication is

1415
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 3: that this is the same woman who blew him up

1416
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 3: in the opening scene, the elf Pirate lady, but she

1417
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: looks different here. Also, she doesn't recognize him now. That

1418
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: could be because he is further borged. He's more borged

1419
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 3: than he was in the opening scene. Andy's got a

1420
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 3: new marine recruit haircut. Andy's down to four percent body fat,

1421
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 3: I guess, so that could throw anybody off. But I

1422
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 3: don't know why. She looks different than she did before.

1423
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: But I don't know again, never established one hundred percent

1424
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 3: whether these two were cyborgs, but I think they probably

1425
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 3: were not because it seems their politics are anti cyborg.

1426
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 3: So Alex, in his voiceover, says, I wanted to tell

1427
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: this terrorist that I had given a lot of thought

1428
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: to what she said back in La about whether I

1429
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 3: was more machine than human. I wanted to tell her

1430
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: she started me thinking, I really wanted to tell her

1431
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: all this as usual, to tell her you could have

1432
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,879
Speaker 3: handled that a little differently, then.

1433
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: You should have told her yes.

1434
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 3: So he sits there drinking his beer while he listens

1435
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 3: to what he says are the sound of jet engines approaching,

1436
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 3: the kind of jet engines that LAPD used in their vehicles.

1437
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 3: Now we're going to meet two new characters. Two women

1438
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: are suddenly standing over his table at the bar. They're

1439
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: hitting poses like fashion models. They are both wearing skirt

1440
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 3: suits and wigs, one blonde wig, one a brunette wig.

1441
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: One of them in a long green trench coat, the

1442
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 3: other wearing black leather gloves. And again must emphasize the

1443
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: first time I saw this scene no idea who these

1444
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 3: characters are, and did not understand the conversation that followed.

1445
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 3: But these two women are Sam and Jared. Sam is

1446
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: the one in the blonde wig, and she starts caressing

1447
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 3: Alex's body and she's like, hmm, the cyber transplants have

1448
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 3: really taken to you. You'll be all machine soon. And

1449
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: I guess she likes that she wants him to be

1450
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: all machine. And the other woman, Jared, says shut up,

1451
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: Sam and sends her away, and then Jared, the other woman,

1452
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: tells Alex that somebody named Farnsworth needs him back online.

1453
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: Alex refuses, explaining that he is addicted to drugs, and

1454
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 3: he says, quote, nothing has been mine since I met you, Jared.

1455
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 3: And then she goes on a monologue and ends up

1456
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 3: saying you can't handle the job. You've lost the edge,

1457
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 3: become too emotional. And then he says, I can't feel

1458
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: anything anymore. You turned me into an efing machine. I

1459
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 3: don't know what's right or wrong. So but at the

1460
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 3: same time, like they're in this deep conversation, but I'm

1461
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 3: just like, who is who's the boss here? Who are they?

1462
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: I guess they used to like no what Jared is

1463
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: a former lover of his right yeah, and Sam and

1464
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: Jared both currently work for Farnsworth at the lapd and right,

1465
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: I think, because aren't they Yeah, I mean I could

1466
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: be wrong here, but I think they are. They arrived

1467
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: with the sound of the jets, like the lapd uses,

1468
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: and then they're saying, hey, Farnsworth wants you back, and

1469
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: he's like, I can't do it because drugs. Yeah, that's

1470
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: that's my best.

1471
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 3: Path, Alex says to Jared. He says, I cared about

1472
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,799
Speaker 3: you once, which is like, huh, you know, the scene

1473
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 3: didn't feel like that up until there. And then Jared says,

1474
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 3: I'm synthetic, so oh, I guess she's a cyborg. And

1475
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 3: then Alex says, and I thought you were real, and

1476
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: then Jared says, I never said I wasn't.

1477
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: It's a little confusing, but there they also seem to

1478
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: be getting it, Like, you know, it's something a little

1479
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: deeper here about authenticity and being in this world where

1480
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: everything can be changed.

1481
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: Sure, but I feel like there is a rapidly shifting

1482
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 3: valance of what it means to be a cyborg. Does

1483
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 3: being a cyborg mean that you can no longer feel

1484
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 3: and you no longer know right from wrong? Because multiple

1485
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 3: characters have already said that at this point, or does

1486
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 3: it mean that you're the same as a human and

1487
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: you can still know right from wrong and you can

1488
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: still feel hm. I I don't know if the movie

1489
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 3: answers that. Also, while this conversation is going on, Sam,

1490
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 3: the lady in the blonde wig, is just pacing around

1491
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 3: in the background, like pretending to examine props in this

1492
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 3: dusty bar. But Jared says that her motives are pure.

1493
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 3: She says she is just part of the group that

1494
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: part of a group of people trying to make the

1495
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 3: world better. And then Alex says to her, what do

1496
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 3: you care about a better world? You're a cyborg but

1497
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 3: he's a cyborg. Yeah, And then he leaves the bar,

1498
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 3: but she gets the last word. At an empty table,

1499
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 3: she says, I live here too, okay, talking about the world,

1500
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 3: I guess. And then after Alex leaves Sam, Alex's dog

1501
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: is there, the husky, and Sam holds a hand out

1502
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 3: to Alex's dog. The dog bites her finger off arks

1503
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 3: shoot out of her hand. So I guess Sam's a

1504
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: cyborg too, and then off screen she shoots the dog. Yeah.

1505
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, cute puppy did get to grow up, but now it's.

1506
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: A Jared says, you're too excessive, Sam, and I love

1507
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 3: the modifier too in that sentence, Like without it, the

1508
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 3: implication might be that she's the correct amount of excessive.

1509
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're expected to be excessive. It's an excessive world,

1510
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,440
Speaker 2: but don't be too excessive.

1511
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Con there After, this is a moody shot of Alex

1512
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: and silhouette. He's standing against this pink orange sunset. He's

1513
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 3: at four percent body fat. He's digging a grave for

1514
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 3: his dog, and then he holds up across in the

1515
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: shadow as the grave marker. So is Alex Rain a

1516
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: Christian cyborg or maybe just culturally a Christian cyborg?

1517
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: He is a potential savior, a potential martyr. I don't know,

1518
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: but it feels aut you know, we're talking about what

1519
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: episode could we do to follow up the last Temptation

1520
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 2: of Christ. Clearly it is ordained that said this was

1521
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: the correct thing.

1522
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: I think it was Destiny. So later we cut to

1523
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 3: a shot of the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio

1524
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 3: tells us we're now in Rio and it's one year later,

1525
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: and we panned down to the steamy industrial area with

1526
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 3: a bunch of smashed machinery all over the place, venting

1527
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 3: fog into the air, and Alex's voiceover says the next

1528
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 3: year was as grim as it gets. I slipped into

1529
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 3: the black market network that thrived in the new Rio Grid.

1530
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to try my hand at smuggling, but I

1531
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 3: guess I didn't really have the knack for it. My deals,

1532
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 3: when I could get one, usually ended up with somebody

1533
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 3: getting dead. Not a good thing for staying in business.

1534
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 3: And then he goes on to say, just when I

1535
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: was about to give up on Brazil, I got word

1536
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 3: this morning that some hot shot Systems cowboy wanted to

1537
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 3: see me. So here we get a look at Alex,

1538
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 3: and once again he's different. He looks different. So he's

1539
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 3: got the trench coats unglasses, but trench coat and sunglasses,

1540
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 3: but now he has long hair, like glam rock hair like.

1541
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 3: He looks like he could be a drummer in a

1542
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 3: new wave band.

1543
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I This is another way that this

1544
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: film is kind of like feels like a video game experience,

1545
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: and the way that your player character may rapidly change

1546
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: their looks in between different chapters just because you're messing

1547
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: around with how they look and you're just spicing it up.

1548
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1549
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Also, it's kind of like a video game where you

1550
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 2: skip all the cutscenes so you know what's going on

1551
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: at times.

1552
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you skip it so you don't So people are

1553
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: referencing characters where you literally you don't know if you're

1554
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 3: supposed to know who they are already or not. Yeah.

1555
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry I held X on that one.

1556
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Alex has a meeting here with a guy

1557
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: named Marian, and this is Tom Matthews, the guy from

1558
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 3: a Return of the Living Dead. Didn't recognize him initially

1559
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 3: here because he's got long, stringy hair. His energy in

1560
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 3: this scene is Gary Busey with blackened teeth, and the

1561
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 3: conversation is also hard to follow, but I'll try to summarize.

1562
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: Marian tells Alex that he's getting a bad reputation with

1563
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 3: the Brazil triad. You really don't want that. And then

1564
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: Alex gets nervous and he pulls a gun and he says,

1565
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 3: where's the Japanese tech with the chip? And then Marion

1566
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 3: reassures him and talks him down, but then gets Alex

1567
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 3: with the old cyborg face ambush where Marian's face opens

1568
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 3: up and a laser gun pokes out from a crack

1569
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 3: between his nose and his eye and then blasts Alex.

1570
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 3: So I guess this guy was a cyborg too. Yeah.

1571
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: This effect is one of the ones that I was

1572
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 2: talking about where I felt like it looks really good,

1573
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: like they knew exactly what they could accomplish and it

1574
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: looks great.

1575
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It is funny when it happens because

1576
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: of the situation, but the effect looks really great. Yeah.

1577
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: So Alex is lying on the ground damaged, and then

1578
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: Marian comes up to him and he's like, you know,

1579
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 3: no worries. LAPD wants you for an assignment, so they're

1580
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 3: going to patch you up. Goods new even better, so

1581
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 3: that human percentage decreasing everyone more.

1582
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same thing that happened earlier has now happened again.

1583
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 2: Somebody's gotten the better of him, shot him all up,

1584
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: and now he gets more cyborg parts.

1585
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 3: So Alex gets handed over to LAPD and he wakes

1586
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: up in a sort of outdoor dungeon cell in the

1587
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: desert somewhere, and he looks like Rambo. Now he's got

1588
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 3: Sylvester stallone hair from First Blood Part two, and we

1589
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 3: meet three new characters that we meet. Farnsworth played by

1590
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 3: Tim Thomerson. Here's Jack Death in a business suit and

1591
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: a long coat, a very square jaw. We meet Jermaine

1592
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 3: played by Nicholas Guest in a business suit in sunglasses

1593
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 3: German accent. We meet Merritt's played by Brian James in

1594
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 3: a business suit in sunglasses German accent. Farnsworth comes and

1595
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 3: looks in at Alex through the bars and he says

1596
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 3: he used to be one of my best hops. And

1597
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 3: the gist of the scene that follows is Farnsworth needs

1598
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 3: Alex to do one last job for him, just one

1599
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 3: more job, and he explains that what happened is Jared,

1600
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Remember Jared and the Brune wig from the bar scene.

1601
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 3: Jared has stolen a data chip containing crucial information about

1602
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 3: an approaching summit between the President of the United States

1603
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 3: and the Prime Minister of Japan, who we learned from

1604
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 3: the back of the box. Now the United States and

1605
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 3: Japan are merged into one political and economic body. I

1606
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 3: don't think they say that in the movie.

1607
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't ask too many questions about how this actually works. Ye.

1608
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: For some reason, Jared is going to leak the leak

1609
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: data about this summit to a terrorist group known as

1610
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 3: the Red Army Hammerheads. Alex needs to find Jared within

1611
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 3: the next three days before she meets with the leader

1612
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: of the Red Army Hammerheads. And by the way, Alex,

1613
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: we have surgically implanted a bomb in your heart and

1614
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: it will explode if you don't succeed in your mission

1615
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: or if you try to defy us in any way.

1616
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: So he's going to have to fly to a city

1617
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 3: on the island of Java. The city is known as

1618
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: shang Lu with a So he's gonna have to go

1619
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: and go with the bomb in his heart and get

1620
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 3: things done.

1621
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: So obvious shades of Escape from New York here, But

1622
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I like the way they did. And they have the

1623
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: little like the little lights on his flesh that show

1624
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 2: like how long he has until the bomb and in

1625
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: his heart goes off.

1626
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,799
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's after the character the other Julian

1627
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 3: later decrypts the bomb.

1628
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has a little patch that she gives him,

1629
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: the little tech patch that helps him out with this.

1630
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So both Merrits and Jermaine are these nasty Weasley characters.

1631
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 3: They're always acting suspicious and superior. Merits has I was saying,

1632
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: he has an accent like Doctor Strangelove. And Jermaine just

1633
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 3: makes non stop threats against Alex and also totally random

1634
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 3: racist comments about Japanese people, for which Alex calls him

1635
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 3: racist and then knocks him out cold. So alexid intolerating that,

1636
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 3: and then Farnsworth simply comments, you haven't lost your edge, Alex,

1637
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 3: so yeah, But then Alex tries to refuse the mission,

1638
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 3: but Farnsworth calls out, remember the bomb in your heart, Alex,

1639
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: and Alex is like, oh, yeah, the bomb in my heart.

1640
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 3: So I guess he's gonna go, and there are three

1641
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 3: days until his heart explodes, so Alex leaves in a helicopter.

1642
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 3: But then when he's not present, we see Farnsworth scheming

1643
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 3: with Germaine and we learn it's a double cross. They

1644
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: fed Alex a fake story about what happened with Jared,

1645
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 3: about what they want and why he's going. The truth

1646
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 3: is they need to find Jared and they think that

1647
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 3: he's the only one she trusts, so she'll come out

1648
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: of hiding when she sees him show up in town.

1649
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 3: So he heads off to Java with the tip that

1650
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: he's supposed to meet up with somebody named Julian, who

1651
01:31:47,560 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 3: can I don't know, I don't remember what the idea is. Anyway,

1652
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 3: here we transition to Shanglu and in this part of

1653
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 3: the movie it starts to have a feeling like Yo jimbo,

1654
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 3: or like a fistful of dollars, where a guy comes

1655
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 3: into a small town where the streets are empty. Violence

1656
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 3: is ready to erupt, and everybody sits around inside peeking

1657
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 3: out the windows at the new guy while he walks

1658
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 3: around in the streets.

1659
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 2: And these streets are everything in Shanglo is definitely Big Island,

1660
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 2: and the street you know, everything's lid and shot for

1661
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 2: effect here and to look cyberpunky. But yeah, these are

1662
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,879
Speaker 2: just like the streets still look like this in various

1663
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 2: towns on the Big Island, and yeah, these are great locations.

1664
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 3: Once again, Olivia Grenaire has a different look. You've got

1665
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 3: a different haircut, different clothes here. While walking around on

1666
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 3: the streets, he is repeatedly attacked by gangs of big

1667
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 3: men who I'm sorry to stereotype, but they do not

1668
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: look dressed for crime or for the tropical climate. It's

1669
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 3: like he's being jumped by a bunch of guys who

1670
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 3: work for the Rand Corporation. They're all just like or

1671
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 3: pleated khakis and tucked in shirts with belts, but also

1672
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 3: black leather gloves, and so they attack him, but Alex

1673
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 3: easily beats them up, and after he knocks them all out,

1674
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 3: he says to no One in particular undercover, and then

1675
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 3: Alex walks away, and then all of the guys stand

1676
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 3: up at the same time without comment or expression. So

1677
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 3: I think these guys might be cyborgs. And one of

1678
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 3: them is Finoli Thorson.

1679
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think we even mentioned him

1680
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 2: in our cast. But of course this is longtime co

1681
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 2: star of Arnold. Pops up in a number of Arnold

1682
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,520
Speaker 2: films and sometimes in some very very fun roles, sometimes

1683
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 2: very forgettable little roles like this.

1684
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in like the Conan movies and stuff, and

1685
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 3: he he.

1686
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 2: Has a memorable he's one of the underlings of Thulsa

1687
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 2: Doom I think so.

1688
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. But he also has a memorable turn as the

1689
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:57,480
Speaker 3: main villain of a very funny B movie called Abraxas

1690
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 3: starring Jesse Ventura. Yeah you have seen this. Yeah, he

1691
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 3: plays the villain named Secundas, who is often referenced by

1692
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 3: Jesse Ventura in sudden lines where he just turns to

1693
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 3: someone and says, I must locate secundas. But anyway, in

1694
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 3: this segment of the movie, we also see a character

1695
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 3: who will become major in the second half of the movie.

1696
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 3: This is Max Impact. Max spends a long time just

1697
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 3: tailing Alex around town and keeping an eye on him.

1698
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,919
Speaker 3: She has a weird, nervous bird like energy, often cocking

1699
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 3: and bobbing her head like a chicken. Yeah yeah. And also,

1700
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna just keep meeting new characters. They're just piling

1701
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 3: the characters on. We meet Julian played by Deborah Shelton

1702
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 3: and Billy Moon played by Thomas Jane. They like to

1703
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:51,440
Speaker 3: stand around naked and disgustingly sweaty and peep out the window.

1704
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 3: The camera is very interested in both of their butts

1705
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 3: and in their sweat, where it's just showing the dripping

1706
01:34:58,800 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 3: with sweat.

1707
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: High level of sexual humidity in this room without a doubt.

1708
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 3: But also this makes all of the bad guys in

1709
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 3: the suits and the pleated khakis especially funny. By contrast,

1710
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 3: I guess just because like it's well, I don't know,

1711
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 3: maybe you're saying like it's just the heat of the

1712
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 3: passion that's making them this sweaty, But I was thinking

1713
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be the weather.

1714
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the passion. I don't think

1715
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 2: these two have been setting around talking about politics the

1716
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 2: whole time.

1717
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 3: So plot wise, I truly cannot explain the full deal

1718
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 3: with Julian and Billy Moon. Even now I've seen it

1719
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 3: twice and made notes, and I still don't understand what's

1720
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 3: going on with them. They're involved in some kind of

1721
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 3: setup or trap for the hero because Farnsworth and the

1722
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 3: German creeps are scheming about this. We hear them scheming

1723
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 3: about it. But what is the nature of the trap?

1724
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 2: Well uncertain, Okay, at least in my viewing. Yeah, and

1725
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, it is a very distracting scene because again,

1726
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 2: these are these two people are naked the entire time,

1727
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 2: so you'd be forgiven to sort of maybe lose the

1728
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 2: thread of the conversation given what's visually going on here.

1729
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, and they're naked, and we see on Billy

1730
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 3: Moon's army as a tattoo on his arm that says

1731
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 3: Billy Moon I love Yeah exactly. It's like a name tag,

1732
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 3: but only if you're naked. So Billy Moon does not

1733
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 3: last long in this movie. He just stands there naked

1734
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 3: for a long time. The camera gets these angles on

1735
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: his butt cheeks, and then finally Vincent Kleines shows up,

1736
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 3: comes into the room and kills him. So, as we

1737
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 3: said earlier, Billy Moon never leaves the hotel room where

1738
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 3: we meet him.

1739
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 2: Now, Julian beats up Billy Moon a bit here, and

1740
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 2: apparently Deborah Shelton really did sort of rough up Thomas

1741
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: Jane a little bit. Oh no, and then it's fine,

1742
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 2: It's fine. Maybe even helped him out and helped him

1743
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 2: have a little more rugged good looks.

1744
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 3: You know. Deborah Shelton is one of the actors that

1745
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 3: I saw an interview with from behind the scenes, and

1746
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 3: seemed to me that she was taking her role in

1747
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 3: this film and the themes of the film quite seriously. She

1748
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 3: was like, it is an interesting movie that has something

1749
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 3: to say about humanity, and so I'm all, I'm invested

1750
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: in this.

1751
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think she also did like some sort

1752
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 2: of crazy workout regime to make sure that she was

1753
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 2: trying off for this. Yeah, she's buffing intimidating here.

1754
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Alex checks into the hotel where Julian is

1755
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: staying and he meets another character named Yoshirohan. He's the

1756
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: guy who runs the hotel desk. This guy puts on

1757
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 3: an act first like at first, like he's just a

1758
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 3: hapless employee. He later turns out to be a serious

1759
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Red Army Hammerheads operator. So again, basically everybody in the

1760
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 3: movie either turns out to be a cyborg or a

1761
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 3: Red Army Hammerhead. And then Alex he goes checks into

1762
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 3: his room. He starts to prepare one of his painkiller injections,

1763
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 3: so he's about to speed load. Uh oh, you know

1764
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 3: what that means. But then he thinks better of it

1765
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 3: and he smashes it on the floor. So it seems

1766
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 3: like he's going to quit the drugs, and he says

1767
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 3: to himself, no more of their drugs. If Farnsworth is

1768
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 3: going to kill me tomorrow. I want to be clear.

1769
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: I hope Jared really hurts Lapd. I really do. She

1770
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 3: can sell her data to the dogs for all I care.

1771
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Damn all right, but taking a stand against something for reasons.

1772
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: Okay, So we still have not met all the characters

1773
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 3: that are around to me. We got to meet Angie

1774
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 3: Live played by Kerrie Hiroyuki Tagawa, first presented as some

1775
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 3: kind of gangster or crime boss. Later becomes clear he's

1776
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 3: a Red Army Hammerhead. He's all swagger and sneer. He

1777
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 3: speaks with this strange, interesting, synthetic future accent. He says, bra,

1778
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 3: yeah constantly, Bra. So Angie and a bunch of henchmen

1779
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 3: and sunglasses go up to Alex's room. They beat him

1780
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 3: up and interrogate him, and he says, make it easy

1781
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 3: on yourself, Bra, I can find a place on you

1782
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 3: that's still human, where you can still feel something, bra,

1783
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 3: and then he just knees him and crotch found. Angie

1784
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 3: says that the Hammerheads are freedom fighters, were not terrorists,

1785
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 3: were freedom fighters against information systems, and that the taunting

1786
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 3: and the sneering continues until Alex reveals that he has

1787
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 3: a bomb inside his heart, and this freaks out Angie

1788
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 3: and his dudes. They get spooked and they leave, but

1789
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 3: before he leaves, Angie stops to ask Alex how he

1790
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 3: feels about becoming less and less human one surgery at

1791
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 3: a time, and Alex says he never had a choice.

1792
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,839
Speaker 3: So next we get the meeting between Alex and Julian,

1793
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 3: so Julian takes her henchman Michelle again. This is Vincent

1794
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,879
Speaker 3: Kleine to Alex's room. Michelle attacks Alex in the shower,

1795
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 3: so here's their nude fight scene mentioned in the themes

1796
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 3: list here. But Alex shoots Michelle in the bathroom and

1797
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 3: sparks fly, so it turns out he was a cyborg,

1798
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 3: and Alex comes out of the shower naked. Julian explains

1799
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 3: that she needs to do a surgery on his cyber

1800
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 3: eye to remove a surveillance device implanted by Farnsworth. Obviously,

1801
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 3: the ensuing eye surgery scene is inspired by Terminator with

1802
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: the self eye surgery scene in that, but it is

1803
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 3: I think this is truly gross and unique, like it's

1804
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 3: very good, like they put She's got a suction cup

1805
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 3: that she puts on his eyeball, yanks his eyeball out

1806
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 3: on this big stalk it's a metal robot stalk for

1807
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 3: the eye, and just stands there working on it while

1808
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 3: Alex is like uh, and then eventually puts it back in.

1809
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 3: She also does a kind of digital hacking surgery on

1810
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,879
Speaker 3: the bomb in Alex's heart, which is going to mean basically,

1811
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 3: it means the bad guys cannot blow up the bomb

1812
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 3: in his heart without decrypting her code first. And so

1813
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: he's got four lights under his skin. When all four

1814
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 3: lights go out, it will be decrypted and they can

1815
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 3: blow him up. Okay, now, as we're getting into the

1816
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 3: back half of the film, I feel like we need

1817
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 3: to be more summary here in our discussion. So I'm

1818
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 3: just going to try to do my best to This

1819
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 3: is again not in the order that the information is

1820
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 3: actually revealed, but I'm just going to try to put

1821
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 3: all together what we eventually learned is going on. Julian

1822
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:08,520
Speaker 3: explains that Jared remember her, Yeah, his former lover Slash,

1823
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 3: the cyborg who's kind of his boss from Baha. She

1824
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 3: her body was destroyed while she was trying to escape La,

1825
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 3: but her mind and soul were uploaded to a data

1826
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 3: chip which Julian has in her hand, and she gives

1827
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 3: the chip to Alex. Julian gives Alex his mission. He's

1828
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 3: got to take the Jared chip to the Red Army Hammerheads,

1829
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 3: who were just in the room a few minutes ago,

1830
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 3: so missed opportunity there. He's got to take the chip

1831
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 3: to them at a meeting on top of the volcano

1832
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 3: at sundown. For some reason, this will stop Farnsworth. But

1833
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what is Farnsworth doing that needs to

1834
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 3: be stopped. Even on the second watch notes, I was

1835
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 3: a little confused about this, but I think eventually they explain.

1836
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 3: Jared figured out that cyborgs have figured out a way

1837
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 3: to make copies of powerful human beings, and they are

1838
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 3: one by one replacing powerful humans in the world with

1839
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 3: cyborg copies for the eventual goal of taking over the

1840
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 3: world for the machines and destroying humankind.

1841
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Okay, and this is going to have a direct influence

1842
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 2: on a character that we've seen a lot of so far,

1843
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 2: but apparently never really understand who. They've understood who they

1844
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 2: were right.

1845
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 3: So it turns out the Farnsworth we've met in the

1846
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 3: movie Jack Death Tim Thomerson is not really Farnsworth. He

1847
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 3: is a cyborg cloned copy of the original human Farnsworth

1848
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 3: who I think we never meet in the film, who

1849
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 3: was created by it seems Sam, remember the cyborg lady

1850
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 3: with the blonde wig in the earlier scene, the one

1851
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 3: who was sexually harassing Alex. She's like, ooh, I like

1852
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:57,480
Speaker 3: your augments.

1853
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Sam is now Sam consciousness is in a

1854
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 2: cybernetic Farnsworth. And interestingly enough, this character and like the

1855
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 2: IMDb credits is credited as Sam Farnsworth, So I guess

1856
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 2: you could think of Sam Farnsworth as sort of like

1857
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 2: the combination of Farnsworth's in Sam. Yeah, that's where we are.

1858
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,480
Speaker 3: So this exposition dump with Julian turns into an insane

1859
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 3: gunfight where Farnsworth merits. Remember the German guy. A bunch

1860
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 3: of other beefy cyborg hinchmen and sunglasses with these comically

1861
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 3: huge guns start blasting their way into the hotel room.

1862
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 3: They're literally cutting doorways into the wall with bullets, and

1863
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 3: Alex escapes the room by cutting a hole in the

1864
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,919
Speaker 3: floor with bullets and falling through multiple levels of the hotel,

1865
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 3: cutting holes as he goes by shooting.

1866
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is absolutely bonkers. There's just so much machine

1867
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: gun fire, just blistering action. It's just unreal. I was

1868
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,759
Speaker 2: really impressed, entertained.

1869
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Julian covers Alex's escape, so she she and the

1870
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 3: cyborgs just kind of stand there shooting each other like

1871
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 3: thousands of times, like the scene in RoboCop with Ed

1872
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 3: two nine. But if we didn't establish this already, Julian

1873
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 3: is a cyborg too. After the fight, she's kind of

1874
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 3: all blown up and all her motor parts are all

1875
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 3: over the place. And then Farnsworth comes in and kneels

1876
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 3: over Julian and pokes her eyes out with his fingers.

1877
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like doesn't rea like he gets information

1878
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: from doing it too or something.

1879
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 3: He's trying to Apparently, how cyborgs get information from each

1880
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 3: other is poke their eyes out to download the data.

1881
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 3: But then it's discovered that she already wiped her memory banks,

1882
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 3: so there's nothing left to get and he goes He's like, oh,

1883
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 3: very good, smart move. You know you wiped it before

1884
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,719
Speaker 3: I got it. Julian says, you always were an extremist, Sam,

1885
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 3: so she's talking to him as Sam. And then Farnsworth says,

1886
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 3: you're a cyborg and then Julian says killing all the

1887
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 3: humans isn't going to make you more real, and Farnsworth says,

1888
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 3: I am real, okay. So then Farnsworth destroys her memory

1889
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 3: banks and then he tells Merits. He says to him,

1890
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Alex Rain will be destroyed somehow, some way. He's human

1891
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,759
Speaker 3: after all. But I was like, wait a minute, he's human.

1892
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 3: I thought he was a cyborg. They're making a big

1893
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 3: deal about how he's a cyborg. There is some distinction

1894
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 3: in this movie that is obviously crucial to the meaning

1895
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 3: of the story that is not coming through about some

1896
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 3: difference like cyborgs as either fundamentally machines or robots with

1897
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 3: human tissue and human appearance, versus a different kind of

1898
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 3: cyborg that is fundamentally a human with machine augmentations. Both

1899
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 3: seem to exist in the movie, and they're both called cyborgs,

1900
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 3: but they're not really differentiated, except we're supposed to understand

1901
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 3: that there is a big difference between them.

1902
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, it does seem like it's more of a

1903
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 2: linear spectrum going on here, Like everybody is probably to

1904
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 2: some degree cybernetic. It's just how cybernetic are you?

1905
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Anyway, Like on one on one hand, it's confusingly

1906
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 3: rendered in the story. On the other hand, I find

1907
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 3: it kind of interesting. It's like something is like stimulating

1908
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: my brain with the themes here. Yeah, something about this like

1909
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 3: linear spectrum of a linear spectrum of cybernicity where characters

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Speaker 3: are arguing about who's over what kind of line on

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Speaker 3: the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, from here, the movie is largely a string

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Speaker 3: of chase and action scenes just kind of racing to

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Speaker 3: the conclusion. There's one part where Alex plugs the Jared

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Speaker 3: data chip into this handheld computer and talks to he's

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Speaker 3: got an iPhone, Yeah, and she's talking about the cyborg

1918
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 3: double cross. Jared is talking about Sam and she says

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01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 3: she was retro cloned into a perfect cell or cell

1920
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Speaker 3: duplicate of Farnsworth. But if it's a clone, wouldn't that

1921
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 3: be organic not not a machine? Right?

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Speaker 2: And we're gonna say this is.

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Speaker 3: Sam. She says, Sam intends to replace humans with cyborgs.

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Speaker 3: Sam has to be stopped before she starts a war

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Speaker 3: between humans and cyborgs. The question comes up, why is

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Speaker 3: Jared helping? Because she's because what Sam is doing is wrong.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that enough? So even though Jared is a cyborg,

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01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 3: she knows right from wrong, something that multiple characters say

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01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:44,679
Speaker 3: in the movie cyborgs are incapable of. And then Jared says,

1930
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, Alex, I loved you, and Alex

1931
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Speaker 3: makes a dismissive comment. He's like, yeah, terrific cyborg love.

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Speaker 3: But then she says it takes more than flesh and

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01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 3: blood to be human, Alex, and then Alex just gets

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Speaker 3: into a bunch more gun fights with cyborgs. Oh, there's

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01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 3: this great scene where a little old lady is being

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01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 3: harassed by spin Ole Thorson as a cyborg, and she

1937
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 3: pulls out a forty five and blasts him and then

1938
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 3: just walks away swearing about cyborgs.

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01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 2: Just for comedic effect, just kind of out of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: The main thing that has to happen after this is

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01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 3: Alex has to get this Jared data chip to the

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01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 3: Red Army Hammerheads guy. Before sundown, there are a bunch

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01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 3: of action scenes Alex fights. Remember that guy from Rio Marion,

1944
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 3: the Tom Matthews guy with the gun inside his face.

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01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 3: They fight again while going down a water slide that's

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01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:45,839
Speaker 3: covered in mud.

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01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like one of these rolling slides that you'll

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01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 2: see at like fall festivals that people will ride down

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01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 2: in potato sacks, except this one's covered with mud. And

1950
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 2: yet the way I'm describing it, it might make it

1951
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 2: seem like it looks fake, but it doesn't. Like it

1952
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,400
Speaker 2: feels entirely. I don't know, it just works. It's just

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01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 2: a crazy action sequence with a crazy slide.

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01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 3: I loved this action scene. I was like cheering in

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01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 3: the middle of it. Alex and the wins in this

1956
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 3: fight by smashing Marion's face on an overhead object as

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01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 3: they're sliding beneath it. He still but it's like the

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01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 3: end of Speed with Dennis Hopper, you know. So Alex

1959
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 3: ends up being both attacked and assisted by a guide

1960
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 3: by Max Impact, the lady we met earlier. It turns

1961
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 3: out she is the sister of Rosaria, the terrorists that

1962
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,839
Speaker 3: he killed in Baja. She wants revenge against Alex. Instead,

1963
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 3: she takes him to Angie again. That's Kerrie Hiroyuki Takawa,

1964
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,719
Speaker 3: who is revealed to be the Red Army Hammerhead leader.

1965
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,959
Speaker 3: But while they're negotiating what's going on, there's an ambush

1966
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 3: by the cyborgs. So just fighting all across Hawaii, Farnsworth,

1967
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 3: Farnsworth's bad guys, Ill Angie and the other Hammerheads, and

1968
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 3: the fighting and chasing continues. They go through like they

1969
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 3: go down a zip line at one point, and then

1970
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 3: they're fighting in the forest. Max and Allex diving as well,

1971
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 3: I believe, Yes, some beautiful locations with like waterfalls and

1972
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 3: the volcanic rocks and streams cutting through them, and beautiful locations.

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01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 3: At one point, either Max or Alex I don't remember

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01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 3: which one shoots Farnsworth with a rocket, so it seems okay,

1975
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 3: he's done for he's been killed, but uh oh, Farnsworth

1976
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 3: is a terminator indoskeleton underneath, so he just turns into

1977
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 3: a stop motion terminator.

1978
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, this is maybe an effect that

1979
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 2: isn't as great as you might want it to be,

1980
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,559
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I still love stop motion effects,

1981
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 2: even when there may be a little crunchy, and so

1982
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 2: this is still fine as far as I'm concerned.

1983
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't look realistic, but I like it. I like

1984
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 3: the way it looks, so so yeah, he's now chasing

1985
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 3: them as a term indoskeleton. Max and Alex meet up

1986
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 3: with Yoshirohan remember him from earlier, the other Red Army Hammerhead.

1987
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 3: They meet him on I think, on top of the

1988
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 3: volcano to escape in this futuristic jet plane, but the

1989
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 3: terminator Farnsworth grabs on for a ride. Rob can you

1990
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 3: describe this fight scene?

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01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, it's everything you'd want it to be.

1992
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 2: It is a stop motion fight sequence between the in

1993
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 2: the indoskeleton and Alex, with both Alex and the endoskeleton

1994
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 2: rendered in stop motion, you know, like a little little

1995
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: stop motion puppets. So yeah, it doesn't really feel real

1996
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 2: but looks amazing in its own way. They're fighting on

1997
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 2: the back of like kind of like the the opening,

1998
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: like the rear opening of this hovercraft or whatever it is.

1999
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 2: And but they're also getting in some like final back

2000
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 2: and forth jabs about what it means to be human

2001
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 2: and who owns what parts and so forth. And I

2002
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 2: think that that basically comes down to how he frees himself,

2003
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:04,719
Speaker 2: Like he's like something about like you know, you belong

2004
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 2: to us, and he's like, well, here you can have it,

2005
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 2: and it's not. His arm detaches, and so Farnsworth indoskeleton

2006
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 2: with his side with Alex. The cybernetic arm plummets and

2007
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 2: explodes in the volcano, or explodes in the way into

2008
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 2: the volcano.

2009
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 3: Is dropped into a volcano and explodes. Amazing quality cut, wonderful, excellent.

2010
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 3: So after this there is a sort of a coda

2011
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 3: where they meet up with Jackie Earl Haley, the playing

2012
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 3: character named Einstein at some red Army Hammerhead lab I

2013
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 3: think they say in the Marshall Islands maybe. So whatever

2014
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 3: the mission was, it is accomplished. It is accomplished. To

2015
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 3: quote the last temptation of Christ though somehow the mission

2016
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 3: requires the digital death of Jared, so the Jared computer

2017
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 3: program data has to be erased, which will mean she

2018
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 3: ceases to exist. And then after this there is a

2019
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 3: there is sort of a coda coda where Alex and

2020
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 3: now Max are working together and I think what they're

2021
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 3: doing is they're going back to LA and they're like

2022
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 3: tracking down and killing all of the cyborgs that have

2023
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:15,599
Speaker 3: copied people and infiltrated whatever.

2024
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're having like taking a smoke break in the

2025
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 2: pouring rain, yes, very soaked.

2026
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 3: Very Yeah. There is a scene where remember Germaine, the

2027
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 3: guy the like the sniveling German accent guy who was

2028
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 3: making racist comments earlier. Well, Alex shows up on the

2029
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 3: roof of the L A p. D Building and shoots

2030
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 3: him in the crotch. Yuh so that guy's that that.

2031
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 3: I guess he was a cyborg too, so done with him? Uh.

2032
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 3: And then after this, oh yeah, the very ending is

2033
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 3: Max and Alex they're like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna

2034
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 3: do it all. We're gonna work together, and Max is like,

2035
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 3: how are we going to get your your body through

2036
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 3: airport security? Now that you're a cyborg and you have

2037
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 3: all this you know, metal in you, and he says

2038
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 3: piece by piece Max. That doesn't answer the question. Yeah,

2039
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 3: peace would trigger security. Yeah, but seriously, how are we

2040
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 3: going to do it?

2041
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. So there are apparently a few different

2042
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 2: endings out there for this film. The one I got

2043
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 2: on the version that I streamed, features the endoskeleton battle,

2044
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:21,320
Speaker 2: which we already described, and then this bit of dialogue

2045
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 2: where we hear I think Farnsworth or somebody talking to

2046
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Farnsworth saying should we take them out now, like somebody

2047
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 2: that's following Max and Alex. But then other versions shuffle

2048
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 2: things around. I think other versions don't have the endoskeleton battle,

2049
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 2: so like don't establish the ultimate demise of Farnsworth. Or

2050
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 2: then there's versions that have the endo skeleton battle but

2051
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 2: don't have to should we take them out now? And

2052
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 2: in some versions we actually seen see Farnsworth at the

2053
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 2: end saying should we take them out now? Or someone

2054
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 2: telling him that. So I don't know. I guess you

2055
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 2: can sort of pick and choose how you want it.

2056
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 2: But I think the the intended vision here is that,

2057
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 2: of course the battle is not over a sequel of

2058
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 2: some sort might be required. The threat has not been eradicated.

2059
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 3: Well, I say boo to any version that does not

2060
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 3: end with them dropping Jack death into a volcano.

2061
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 2: Exactly like, why did you got a film at Volcano

2062
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 2: National Park if you weren't going to do this? You know,

2063
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 2: I hate to see stop motion effects go to waste,

2064
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:26,240
Speaker 2: so absolutely include that.

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01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this episode has run very long, but obviously

2066
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 3: we had a lot to say about Albert Pune's Nemesis.

2067
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: Bravo. Yes, I loved it. Yeah, absolutely entertaining this. I

2068
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 2: highly recommend this one, whether you're intending to give it

2069
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 2: a very attentive viewing or you just need some just

2070
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 2: absolute delirious action to take place in the background. Either

2071
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 2: way you want to experience, Nemesis is completely valid. It's

2072
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 2: a wild ride.

2073
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 3: All right.

2074
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 2: We're going to go and close it out here, but

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01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear from everyone out there. Do you

2076
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 2: have memories of Nemesis or other Albert punefilms from the

2077
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 2: past right in We would love to hear from you.

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01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 2: Just a reminder that Stuff to Blow your Mind is

2079
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,840
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2080
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2081
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Speaker 2: serious concerns to just talk about a weird film on

2082
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 2: Weird House Cinema.

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01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,360
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Speaker 2: over the years, and sometimes a peek ahead of what

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Speaker 2: comes up next.

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