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Speaker 1: to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start off with Tim Tebow. We've had so

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Speaker 1: and you expect a former quarterback to do it. He

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Speaker 1: start off with with you, Plexico, because you know him

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Speaker 1: the best out of all of us. You guys share

426
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl title together. What is your take on this? Uh?

427
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Speaker 1: Because it could be interpreted a whole lot of different ways.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. Listen. I have I would like

429
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Speaker 1: to think that I have a good relationship with John Marra.

430
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Speaker 1: He's a great man, great great organization, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: this thing kind of goes to two ways with me.

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Speaker 1: The personal taunting to a player I understand. I understand

433
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Speaker 1: that part of it. But the run that Benny little

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Speaker 1: May made on Saturday with with the Miami Dolphins, and

435
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Speaker 1: he carried the whole defense like fifteen yards and he

436
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: gets up and he's excited for what he's just done.

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00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: That the US players I do not agree with because

438
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Speaker 1: this man is excited, he's having fun, he's not taunting

439
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Speaker 1: a single player, Yet he gets an unsports conduct fifteen

440
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: yards and it's a penalty for getting up and being excited.

441
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Speaker 1: But the personal taunting to a player, I can understand

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Speaker 1: that if it's egregious enough to where it's disrespectful to

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Speaker 1: that player and his family or whatever that gesture may be.

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Speaker 1: I can understand that. But the NFL owners and the

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Speaker 1: coaches who are the biggest advocates for this rule, those

446
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Speaker 1: will be the ones that get hurt the mers because

447
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Speaker 1: in crucial situations of a football game, you're going to

448
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Speaker 1: get excited. Those are the emotions that you can't control,

449
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: and they're going to be losing football games because because

450
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: those fifteen yard penalties in the fourth quarter or what

451
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: have you are going to knock teams out of field

452
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Speaker 1: goal range and they're gonna lose football games because of it.

453
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Speaker 1: And then I want to hear the tune of these

454
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Speaker 1: NFL coaches and owners what they have to say about

455
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Speaker 1: it then, because those are the emotions that you can't control,

456
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Speaker 1: because you know, you know, you know, you understand what

457
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. You guys play the game, but what if

458
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Speaker 1: somebody told you that you need to have more control

459
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Speaker 1: when when you have those situations. Listen, I played the

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Speaker 1: game from a from a from a passionate. Oh and

461
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: so funny that you mentioned that, because I recall you

462
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Speaker 1: doing that and talk you and you do it. You

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Speaker 1: do a golf outing with him. Now. One of the

464
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Speaker 1: most historic times I've ever seen was when you was

465
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Speaker 1: messing with Smooth out there on the field all day long.

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Speaker 1: I want, I want players on my two. We're going

467
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Speaker 1: to go out and be passionate and be excited to

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Speaker 1: play this game. But I can understand what John Marra saying.

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Speaker 1: The personal egregious taunting to a player, I can understand that,

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Speaker 1: but I want players on my team as an owner

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Speaker 1: and as a coach who going to go out and

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Speaker 1: be passionate and show that raw motion and be excited

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Speaker 1: for what But what you're saying taunting or is that

474
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Speaker 1: just celebrating the run that Benny LeMay made the other

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Speaker 1: day for the for the Miami Dolphins. That is not taunting.

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00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: That rule needs to be thrown out of the thrown

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Speaker 1: out of the NFL this year immediately because he's just

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Speaker 1: on raw motion for making a good play. Well you think, man,

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Speaker 1: it's a BS rule that they're trying to emphasize. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think. Like, come on, man, like, are you serious?

481
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Speaker 1: They're such a huge age divide. These owners are older, man.

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Speaker 1: These kids want to have fun. They're not even kids.

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Speaker 1: These grown men are playing a kid's game. They want

484
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Speaker 1: to have fun. If it crosses the line, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that penalty is deserving. But for the most part, and

486
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Speaker 1: you and your book, can you know you were a

487
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Speaker 1: fiery man? Did you ever get any taunting calls when

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Speaker 1: we played? You can almost do damn or whatever. So no, no,

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Speaker 1: But would I'd be getting taunting calls now? Yeah, I

490
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even they would probably kick me out the league

491
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Speaker 1: now because you can't you can't even have fun. Really,

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00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: you can't say certain things. That's what I want to see, though.

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00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady taunts a lot. I guess I guarantee you

494
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Speaker 1: they won't throw a flag on Tom Brady. I guarantee

495
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Speaker 1: you they won't. Tom is a taunter. He taunts a lot. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I guaranteed Rivers Rivers some notorious tanners at the quarterback,

497
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Speaker 1: and so bat money off that different strokes for different exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But rules are rules, though, exactly, And so I don't

499
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Speaker 1: thought that this morning. Rules are rules. So what I'm

500
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: trying to say is when rules are rules, then let's

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Speaker 1: enforce on for everybody. That means you got to enforce

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00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: on what everybody man. But we know that these rules

503
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: don't apply to certain people. Say who they are. We'll

504
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: say who they are. But you who are these people?

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Speaker 1: You just name? Well, Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers isn't playing

506
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: any loss? True a taunt her. Everybody taunt you. For

507
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: the most part, it's a game and you're having fun.

508
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: What what do you guys think? Let's clean up some

509
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: of these bad calls. That's what they need to clean

510
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: up because that's what they need to clean up. Referees

511
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: doing certain themselves pretty pretty much in game. Let me

512
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: ask you that up. Let me ask you guys this, um,

513
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: why do you think the intensity because you know, listening

514
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: to John Marra and and his his statements, you know,

515
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: he said, we're tired of seeing guys talking. We're tired

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Speaker 1: like we're talking about gestures right like, think about this,

517
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: you're you guys are addressing this from a gestures, uh

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Speaker 1: like reactionary deals. He said, We're tired of seeing the talking.

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00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: What like, are they hearing something we're not hearing? Are

520
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Speaker 1: are they? Because here's my thing, right, let's be clear

521
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Speaker 1: because in some in some cases, we're gonna talking. He

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't say talking, Oh he's talking. No he did not.

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Speaker 1: It was taunting. No, no, no no, he says, trust me,

524
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: run it back again, run it back again. Oh well,

525
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: this is what you know, this is what radio is about.

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Like he said, talking. But once I team, once I

527
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: proved to you that Penn State airs are better than

528
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: Oregon State airs, then we're going. I'm I'm a finish

529
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Speaker 1: making my point. You got it? Let it run again?

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Speaker 1: The taunting emphasis no no, hold on, that's that's the reporter.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't let him talk. I mean, that's something we

532
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: discuss every year in the competition committee. We get kind

533
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: of sick and tired of the of the talunking that

534
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: does go on from sportsmanship with allowing the players to

535
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: have fun. And there's always a fine line. Yeah, but

536
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: none of us like to see that. And that's just

537
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: a question or whether you can have rules that can

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00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: be enforced and without taking the fun out of the

539
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: game too. But nobody wants to see a player taunting

540
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: another player. I know. I hope the competition to me

541
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to feel the same, right, Yeah, those that's the problem.

542
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Son of a gun totally killed my pay Hey, can

543
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: y'all can y'all see yall can figure that so that

544
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: he says talking instead of taunting. So that's the key.

545
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: You have to listen. And that changes it a little

546
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Speaker 1: bit for me because to me, I almost feel and

547
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna make my point because at the

548
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, I want to hear your plane.

549
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Here's my point because because here, here, here, all right,

550
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: we're we're hinting at the fact that a Tom Brady

551
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: or Philip Rivers or J. J. Watt isn't going to

552
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: get called for taunting penalties. I look at that as

553
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: those are megastars, but it just happens to be connected

554
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: to something else. You we do realize the word that

555
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: is shot out there so much on the football field. Ye,

556
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: we do know this. We do like like whether he

557
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: said taunting or talking, My idea of it is that

558
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: is a word that makes people very very uncomfortable and

559
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: and and and just to get you guys put it

560
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: in context. And somebody's talking trash. They use the ninja

561
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: word like you know, like yeah, like ninja ninja, this ninja,

562
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: that ninja ninja ninja ninja, you punk ninja you you

563
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, soft ninja ninja. That right. The language that

564
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: is used on the football field, it's very it's relatable

565
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: to four PM. It's very relatable to where we come from.

566
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: That come out of people's mouth. Hey, turnaround a song

567
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: on that's what you're here. And it's almost like you

568
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: get a pass between what one pm and four pm

569
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: to basically say what say whatever they are due they need.

570
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: This should not be a pointing emphasis. It's gonna cost somebody,

571
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna cost me, not the point the personal justice, I understand,

572
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: but there's no way I could have played. There's no

573
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: way I could have played the game of football without

574
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: talking trash. But for me, it was a psychological advantage

575
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: if I could get the player to focus on me

576
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: and have this personal battle with myself, so you know,

577
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: maybe later in the game he would be so worried

578
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: about me that he blows the coverage because he's so

579
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: worried about me. Just like Lavos said, I remember talking

580
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: trash with Smooth. Me and Smooth well out there talking

581
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: trash on the run play and the running back was

582
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: going down the sideline and I pulled that. I pulled

583
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: it that Tiki buf to look un side. It was

584
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: one of the funniest joints I've ever seen, because I'm

585
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: standing there watching it. He talked so bad to Smoothie

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00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: that Smoot wasn't even paying attention to the player. He

587
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: was so caught up into trying to get because smooth

588
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: might be the best smack talker ever, by the way,

589
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: he might be one of the greatest, and Plex had

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00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: him so in his head he didn't even see the

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00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: play Tagan plays yet talk so bad to him. All right, Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this is a conversation that will come up

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Speaker 1: as we move forward. I think it's a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: one because there could be some cultural undertones that are

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Speaker 1: We have been having the conversation about one mac Jones

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Speaker 1: and how that applies to Cam and getting in. Now.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that scenario again is you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy in Cam who comes in under some

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Speaker 1: of the most extreme, maybe the most extreme circumstances probably

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Speaker 1: known to the history of the National Football League, which

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Speaker 1: is to take over for Tom Brady as the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And now a year removed from that taking place, they

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Speaker 1: hire a new employee for the job, for the position,

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Speaker 1: and and that turns into the conversation of who will

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Speaker 1: start This is a competition. We don't know who's going

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Speaker 1: to get it, but I do believe that that Cam

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Speaker 1: is the guy, as you mentioned, plex he is the

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Speaker 1: guy that is going to be the one that has

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Speaker 1: to lose the job versus Mac Jones winning the job. Now,

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Speaker 1: as that applies to this topic that we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into now, which I'm waiting and waiting and waiting

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Speaker 1: to be able to hear what these odds are that

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Speaker 1: we got going on. We may not get them, so

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Speaker 1: we might just go right into the conversation. Uh but

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, if I'm measuring and I'm weighing

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Speaker 1: all of the incoming rookies that that are are not

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Speaker 1: the shoeing starters like a Zach Wilson or you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, Urban says that it's not decided.

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Speaker 1: I think it is decided in Jacksonville. So Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: will start. Uh but I guess this is a great

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Speaker 1: This is a more interesting approach rather than just saying

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Speaker 1: who will be the starter? Do we see? Is it is? It? Is? It?

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Speaker 1: Is it feasible? Is it is it sensible to have

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Speaker 1: the debate as to who will have the best season

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Speaker 1: as a rookie quarterback for this year? The odds we

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Speaker 1: do have the odds, Hold on hold on before you answer,

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Speaker 1: you say, that's easy. Huh. Let's hear the odds. Let's

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Speaker 1: hear the odds. So this is from um, what's the

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Speaker 1: what give me the show? Lee? It's straight out of

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Speaker 1: Vegas that this, this sound bite came from. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this, and then we're going to jump into

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Speaker 1: this topic of conversation. Which quarterback did you learn did

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Speaker 1: you change your mind about the most? Either upgraded him

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Speaker 1: because of what you saw or downgraded him. Justin Fields upgrade,

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Speaker 1: But I say that with a caveat that was against

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Speaker 1: second and third stringers when he was really starting to

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Speaker 1: be his most productive. With Justin Fields, I gotta be honest,

685
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we've learned a lot, and I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of optimism. And Justin Fields, for example,

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Speaker 1: is the one quarterback who had a big uptick in

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Speaker 1: his odds entering this weekend. Justin Fields, to start Game

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Speaker 1: one for Chicago had less than a twenty percent chance

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Speaker 1: and now he has a thirty three percent chance. So

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Speaker 1: from nineteen percent to already that's the only quarterback within

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Speaker 1: Major League now Justin Fields impressed. It was against backups

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Speaker 1: for the most part. He did have some tense moments,

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Speaker 1: some rookie moments that took place. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we've all been pretty high on justin Fields and

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Speaker 1: what we believe his trajectory is as a starter or

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Speaker 1: as a player in this league. Who do you guys

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Speaker 1: think we'll have the best rookie year out of out

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Speaker 1: of all of these these rookie quarterbacks, who you think, man,

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Speaker 1: that that for us to sit up here and name

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Speaker 1: a guy, we're probably gonna be wrong. It's so many

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Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, you're gonna be wrong too. It's so many.

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Speaker 1: It's so many of them. You just don't know. Number one,

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Speaker 1: if you're playing, and that's a lot when when you're

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Speaker 1: playing as a rickie, number one, you're gonna have your

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Speaker 1: plan as a rickie for a reason, the team it's

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Speaker 1: not very good. You were drafted fairly high, so that's

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Speaker 1: showing you the team isn't very good. And so you

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Speaker 1: just don't You don't know who who would have the

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Speaker 1: best season based off of one preseason game against backups.

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Speaker 1: I'm not basing it off of that. When I get

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Speaker 1: my when I get my opinion, I'm not basing it

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Speaker 1: off of one game. But but go ahead, I mean

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give you an answer. Okay, and so

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Speaker 1: you just qualified your answers what you're saying like you

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Speaker 1: just played you played defense to say that we should

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Speaker 1: be wrong. But if I happen to be if I

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Speaker 1: happen to be right, here's my pick. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: you who I believe is going to have the best

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Speaker 1: rookie season. But I mean, this is just basically pulling

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Speaker 1: straws here and just hoping I get lucky, really, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, which I think that's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: I thought leading into the season before the draft, I

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Speaker 1: said the quarterback that goes to the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: will have the most successful career because I believe Shanahan

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Speaker 1: is a really good coach. But I believe Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: will have the best rookie season. Okay, you won't give

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Speaker 1: a reason why. You just just let you want to

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Speaker 1: leave it there, or I just when number one, he's

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Speaker 1: going to be starting out the gate. He's for sure starter.

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Speaker 1: I do know that, So from a statistical standpoint, he

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Speaker 1: will be out there week one starting. We can't say

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Speaker 1: that about any other quarterback, with the exception of Zach Wilson. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I can say that you're correct in that

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Speaker 1: aspect of it. But based off of what i've you know,

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Speaker 1: just saw on Saturday from all four quarterbacks, you know,

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Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, Trey Lass, Justin Fields, and Trevor Lawrence. Damn,

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Speaker 1: you ain't even throwing mac Jones in there. Huh Mac Jone?

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Speaker 1: Who listen, Hey, I just to lose. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say Justin Fields is going to have the best rookie

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Speaker 1: season based off of what I saw on Saturday. Here's

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Speaker 1: why we're not even talking about from a performance standpoint. Yet.

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Speaker 1: When he got to the press conference after the game,

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Speaker 1: they asked him a question. He said, you know us,

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Speaker 1: the game is slow. To me, that's going to change

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Speaker 1: and you won't change. And you know what that tells

747
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Speaker 1: He's going to change. But you know what that tells me.

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Speaker 1: He ain't right. He able to diagnosed defenses. He should

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Speaker 1: have never said. He should have never said that he

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Speaker 1: understands coverages, he knows where the ball is going when

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Speaker 1: he puts that foot in the ground. Agree with the

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Speaker 1: diagnosed coverages? To me, tump tumps like a deer in headlights.

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Speaker 1: At times, it looked like the game was too fast

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Speaker 1: for him. Now, granted, okay, you can say that he

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Speaker 1: played against starters. I understand that, but that didn't look

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Speaker 1: like to me that he understood coverages or whatever was

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Speaker 1: going on. He made a couple of good throws, but

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Speaker 1: he was very uncertain about about where the football should

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Speaker 1: have gone on because it just looked like to me,

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Speaker 1: the game was too fast for him. Based on a

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Speaker 1: skill set, I think they have the basically the same

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Speaker 1: skill set and being able to be mobile and get

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket. But for me, justin fields, it

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Speaker 1: just jumped off of the page. When he got out

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Speaker 1: of the pocket. You know, he was just you know,

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Speaker 1: cruising around. It looked easy to him and for me,

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Speaker 1: some of the throws that he made the back show

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Speaker 1: to fade down the sideline, you know, making. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was playing against guys that's getting cut though, that's

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Speaker 1: what you So now we're not giving those guys. Look

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Speaker 1: I'm not, but you just said you're not going to base.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying topic wise off of what's going

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Speaker 1: on right now, TJ's not right. So I'm just going

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Speaker 1: against his arm opening they started the best option for

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears it's going to be just to be

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields. I agree with that without a doubt. But

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Speaker 1: they're not going to do that. They are going to

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Speaker 1: stay and Trevor Lawrence may have more better stats, more

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Speaker 1: completionce percents, more touchdown he plays in Jacksonville. The weather

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Speaker 1: is going to play a major part in that. But

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Speaker 1: from a franchise standpoint right now, I cannot say, based

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Speaker 1: on the performance that I saw on sad of that trouble,

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Speaker 1: Lawns is gonna be a better quarterback than Justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert didn't start the season off and ended up

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Speaker 1: winning Rookie of the Year. I mean, I know he

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00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: got in there pretty early, but he did not start

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Speaker 1: to begin the season. Listen, Andy Dalton is going he

788
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Speaker 1: is going to also have to play himself out of

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Speaker 1: his position for Justin get to get that opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: don't see Andy Dalton holding him off very long. And

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Speaker 1: I do believe I've already told you guys I'm high

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Speaker 1: on Justin Fields. I'm super high on Justin Fields. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And for no other reason than I believe when you're

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback you have to learn so much about

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Speaker 1: what your offensive schemes, the variations, the nuances of what

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Speaker 1: you you have to do, reading coverages and reading where

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Speaker 1: you're you know where you're receivers are going to be

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Speaker 1: the timing of everything. Um but I think the one

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Speaker 1: thing that we've seen historically is if you can run,

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Speaker 1: you can you can create an opportunity to buy time,

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Speaker 1: to know where those windows of opportunity are. Justin fields

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Speaker 1: has shown a gonna last so long though, man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well game, well you can do it, and you can

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Speaker 1: run all game your rookie year, I watched, I watched,

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Speaker 1: I watched RT three do it the right opportunity. I

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00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: watched Lamar Jackson do it in his second season. I

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Speaker 1: mean he did it at the end of the his

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Speaker 1: his rookie year. I've watched Lamar Lars Jackson is a

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Speaker 1: special runner. So it's justin fields. So it's justin fields.

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Speaker 1: Isn't Trevor laws like a four or four quarterback of something?

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Speaker 1: I don't say I would think Lawrence. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: a four. I don't think he got translates in his

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Speaker 1: game four or five. He doesn't. But that doesn't translate

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Speaker 1: and justin and and Trevor Lawrence's game Trevor Lawrence isn't

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Speaker 1: showing you that he's going to be this. This a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that is going to do it through being mobile.

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Speaker 1: You know what's gonna handcuff Trevor Lawrence. And I this

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Speaker 1: is just my opinion, is that offensive coordinator Schottenheimer man

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00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: when when he was in Seattle they let him go.

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Speaker 1: They didn't like what he was doing. I played for Shotting.

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Speaker 1: I was at the beginning. Oh so see, oh and

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. And I've never played for him,

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Speaker 1: but I just know he's been fired a ton. Yeah. Hey,

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Speaker 1: he was in Indianapolis with Andrew Luck. We know how that,

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Speaker 1: we know how that went. He was an officers coordinator

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Speaker 1: for Mark was. So let's give down Brian Schottenheimer's resume.

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Speaker 1: He was with me is just two thousand and eleven March.

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Speaker 1: Santiso was the quarterback. He went to the Indianapolis coast

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck. I believe it. You want him your

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback? Right. He left Andrew Luck and he went

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Speaker 1: to Seattle and he was officer quarterback with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Now this is his fourth offer coordinated the position, and

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00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: now he is the office coordinator for Hey, let me,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad y'all brought that up, because even though I'm

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Speaker 1: high on justin fields, what I was getting to is,

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Speaker 1: I believe that Zach Wilson is going to have the

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Speaker 1: best year of all of the rookies. I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't believe he's going to have the best career, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to have the best rookie season

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Speaker 1: out of all of the rookies that that are out

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Speaker 1: there right now in the field. And it's purely based

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Speaker 1: upon the coaching DNA of La Flour coming in and

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Speaker 1: being being his office coordinator like that, and Silo being

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Speaker 1: the head coach. I think Silo is going to make

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Speaker 1: sure that this defense is as stout as it can

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Speaker 1: possibly be. I think that they are going to to

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Speaker 1: approach this in a very similar manner as to how

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Speaker 1: uh they did things in in in San Francisco and

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Speaker 1: how things are being done in Green Bay. And ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if you think about what took place in Washington when

851
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: RG three and Kirk Cousins came in as rookies to

852
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: that team, they took a lot of pressure off of

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00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: a lot of thinking work out of the game for

854
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Speaker 1: RG three, and he had one of the most legendary

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Speaker 1: rookie seasons that we had that one has ever had.

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Speaker 1: So I think that they will search for that balance.

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Speaker 1: I really do think that there is a code to

858
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Speaker 1: success for a rookie quarterback when they have the balance

859
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: that that those types of offenses present, that that RPO

860
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: style UM zone zone type of RPO run slash pass

861
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: options just don't have RPO style. Yeah, but so a

862
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: lot was out there would a full back into our

863
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: formation this guys five. I don't believe that that's going

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00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: to be how they do things as they get into

865
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Speaker 1: the season. I think they certainly will. They're not going

866
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: to run an RPO style with uh. It's going to

867
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Speaker 1: be a zone. It's gonna be looked very similar to

868
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Speaker 1: what the forty nine, which it's not. It's not, it's not,

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Speaker 1: it's not. So when I say RPO, the RPO was

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Speaker 1: there for RG three in his rookie year, So I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm basing reference off of the style of offense. It's

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00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: still the same structure of the offense. It's just not

873
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: going to be based off of him running versus passing.

874
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: But it is his own style. In plexico, you still

875
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: didn't answer me, what you want Shottenheimer groom in your room? Well,

876
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Speaker 1: he said no, he said no, basically what I'm saying, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you know, And it concerns me when when Herbert Mayer

878
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: comes out and says we're playing too slow, you'd the

879
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: head coach bro like, hey, is it? Like? Tell him

880
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: to pick it out? What are you doing? Right? I

881
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: think Zach Wilson is the guy, and I'm there for one.

882
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to have as much pressure.

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00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in the market will call for pressure.

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00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: He's going to deal with a lot of pressure because

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Speaker 1: he's in New Goodness. But with that being said, with

886
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that being said, it's probably he is, probably, I beablieve,

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Speaker 1: the most qualified in terms of he's not going to

888
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Speaker 1: be party in the things that can suck you under

889
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Speaker 1: in New York. Is not going to be a part

890
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Speaker 1: of of Zach Wilson and and other than the being

891
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Speaker 1: on the tabloids and and how the media handles that.

892
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he's gonna get sucked in.

893
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get sucked in. I just don't, said,

894
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Speaker 1: I mean, I listen, I went, hey, wait, whether whether

895
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Speaker 1: he gets something in or not. Can the man played

896
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Speaker 1: a quarterback? But yeah, I think he can. I think

897
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Speaker 1: he can. He can. I don't. I don't he can,

898
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Speaker 1: I don't play. I don't know that. I just don't.

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Speaker 1: Based only what I saw the other day, I don't

900
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Speaker 1: understand why he was under center as much as he

901
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: was being being the statue at the position? Was he

902
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Speaker 1: five eight five nine and the sixty sixty? Yeah? No way?

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Speaker 1: This guy six too man? Yeah, you see him in person,

904
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Speaker 1: he's six too. Bro. All I know is Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: is my pick to have the best rookie year. I

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Speaker 1: do I do you believe that Justin Fields will have

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Speaker 1: the best career out of all of them? And yes,

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Speaker 1: I do not have a whole lot to base that

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Speaker 1: off of in terms of play in the NFL, And

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Speaker 1: I do not wish to base what I'm saying off

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Speaker 1: of that. I'm just saying watching these guys in college

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