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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us again. We are so excited

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Speaker 1: to be here and wait too. Here we have planned today.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, So today we are going to dive into

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Speaker 2: all things hometowns. But first we have two special guests.

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Speaker 2: We are in Austin, Texas with none other than Nancy

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Speaker 2: and Joan from our Golden Bachelor season. Welcome you, guys,

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's so nice to be here.

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Speaker 2: We are still okay. So girls are back, We're back together.

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Speaker 2: We're here for the weekend. We have big plans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've been trying to plan this for

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Speaker 3: literally how long a year? I think a year at

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Speaker 3: least a year, at least a year, and we finally

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Speaker 3: put it together a date that we could all be

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Speaker 3: together somehow, and we flew in this morning and the

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Speaker 3: fun has just started.

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Speaker 1: And it's yes, tell them what you are.

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Speaker 4: I am right here, Susan. So I was so excited

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Speaker 4: to Joan and I both were excited to come. And

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Speaker 4: Susan called me a couple of nights ago and said,

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Speaker 4: can you give me a favor? Will you go get

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Speaker 4: that pimeno cheese that I liked? Remember that time. You

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Speaker 4: brought it to my house. I said yes, She said,

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Speaker 4: can you bring that on the plane? I said, are

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Speaker 4: you kidding me, Susan? She goes, no, it's fine, it'll

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Speaker 4: be okay, just put it in your luggage. And I

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Speaker 4: was like, I'm not putting pimento cheese in my luggage.

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Speaker 4: So what did I do? I brought it. I bought

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Speaker 4: three of them. It's like thirty bucks worth of pimeno cheese.

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Speaker 4: Packed it as a carry on and have it and

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Speaker 4: I have a little ice pack going through security.

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Speaker 1: Guess what I got stopped.

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Speaker 4: Jon's calling me like where are you? And I'm stopped

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Speaker 4: in security. They had to bring two supervisors over. They

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Speaker 4: had all literally they had all of the pimento cheese

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Speaker 4: out and they're holding it up and they're looking at it.

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Speaker 4: They thought I had drugs in the permeno cheese. I'm

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Speaker 4: not kidding. And so anyway, so luckily we made the flight.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful, so great.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say, this is reason number

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Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty two why Kathy does not cook,

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Speaker 2: because this is the trouble you get into. But having

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Speaker 2: said that, Susan came in a couple of days earlier,

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Speaker 2: and we went to the grocery store last night. My

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Speaker 2: refrigerator has never been so packed with food. My air

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Speaker 2: conditioning has never been set so low.

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Speaker 1: It's freezings gold and it's so hot. But it feels

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Speaker 1: so good to have all our girls together again, us Goldens.

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Speaker 1: And what did we all do? Watch mel Seeson?

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Speaker 3: So I stayed up late, I was, I got up

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Speaker 3: at four fifteen today, but I stayed up and watched

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Speaker 3: it because I thought this is important.

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Speaker 1: We should know what's.

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Speaker 3: Going on in this season.

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Speaker 1: Okay, ladies, just watched it.

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Speaker 2: What's your thought, Nancy? What do you think of this season?

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Speaker 2: You guys, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Nancy?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Joe, No, you go, go go.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear.

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Speaker 4: I just watched last night's season, and I've been feeling

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Speaker 4: this way the whole time. My feeling is, my gut

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Speaker 4: feeling is he doesn't emote emotion, and he's not nothing

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Speaker 4: against him. But I don't get the feeling that he's

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Speaker 4: crazy in love with any of them, or obviously he

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Speaker 4: doesn't know that he is. But I just thought he'd

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Speaker 4: be further along with at least one of them, and

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Speaker 4: they're all lovely and oh my gosh, he's got great

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Speaker 4: women to pick from, but I just don't feel like

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Speaker 4: he's there. Clearly they are, Yeah, I guess I agree

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Speaker 2: What about you, Nancy? I mean, what about you.

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Speaker 3: That I totally agree with? Nancy? I don't know if

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Speaker 3: maybe he's being particularly careful. So I knew, like I

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Speaker 3: had kind of a like a contract with myself that

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to say I love you to anybody

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Speaker 3: or just one person. But when you have those conversations

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Speaker 3: or do you think that you'll ever get there? He

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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I know, I'm not really sure. I

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Speaker 3: don't really know. As opposed to say, right, what's up?

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Speaker 4: He said that, right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, each of them, every single one of them said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious what you guys think are the biggest

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Speaker 2: differences in this season from our season?

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Speaker 4: Hmmm.

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Speaker 3: I think though that it always like bachelor bubble is

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Speaker 3: a thing, obviously, and everybody seems to fall in love

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Speaker 3: real world it would have happened, it does on the shows.

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Speaker 3: These girls seem to have it on a even level.

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Speaker 3: They seem to be more in love and they think

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Speaker 3: he's even a greater person. And I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that goes back to us, and we should talk about

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Speaker 3: this a little bit, maybe not on this particular show,

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Speaker 3: because it's a whole conversation about how hard it is

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Speaker 3: to find love as a woman at this age.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 3: So maybe they are so invested in this one man

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Speaker 3: because he's the only man out there of three hundred

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Speaker 3: million people that live in this country. He seems to

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Speaker 3: be the only one that has an option for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're living in his bubble.

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Speaker 4: And we can all relate, most of us except Joan, now,

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Speaker 4: thank goodness, with Top and Susan with Frederick. But we've

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Speaker 4: all lived that three you know. We are one in

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Speaker 4: the three hundred million, and we've gone through it and

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Speaker 4: it is hard. And I think you're right, they've got

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Speaker 4: a great guy in front of them. Let's go. And

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Speaker 4: I feel like that You're exactly right, Joan, But do

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Speaker 4: you feel like.

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Speaker 1: All these women on Mel's season are different than us,

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Speaker 1: And if so, what way? I know they all have

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I all have extensions.

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Speaker 4: So jealous they all but they all look similar, I think,

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Speaker 4: or many of them, I'm sorry, not all of them.

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Speaker 1: Because they're yeah, they're they're a little younger.

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Speaker 3: I mean we know that they you know, e gauge

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Speaker 3: them younger. I mean, he certainly said that, and they

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Speaker 3: do ask you, like when you're going on the show,

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Speaker 3: they ask you, like what kype type of person you're

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Speaker 3: looking for, like what physical traits, what personality kind of things.

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Speaker 3: He obviously said young We know that. It's no secret.

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Speaker 3: So they did. They you know, cast this, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot younger than our our season. Actually yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean we were. I know that the three of us

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Speaker 3: were three of the youngest people on the season before,

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Speaker 3: and we would be right in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: pack on this season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, we had you guys.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say to me, it's so interesting

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Speaker 2: it just feels so different. I think, Joan, you're right,

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Speaker 2: partly due to age, partly due to their two their interest.

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Speaker 2: Some of the many of them are still working.

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Speaker 1: Yep. But you know what, guys, I don't think the

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Speaker 1: age difference is that grand and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: any of them are grandparents yet, or maybe they are.

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Speaker 1: They really didn't speak of that at all, so that

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Speaker 1: was a big difference. I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's because they're a little younger. I

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Speaker 3: mean they're there early sixties most of them. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: a lot younger. I do feel like he's a little

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Speaker 3: different than our lead. Okay, so Geary was very effusive,

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Speaker 3: he was very emotional. He gave made it easy for

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Speaker 3: the doors for us to then enter into that kind

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Speaker 3: of scene, you know, being the way that he was.

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Speaker 3: Mel is not that way. The women still are a

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Speaker 3: little bit and it seems very unreciprocated, which feels a

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Speaker 3: little uncomfortable to me. I thought we were all very

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Speaker 3: comfortable in Gary's world the way that what he created

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Speaker 3: for us, I don't feel comfortable in Mel's world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree with her more.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I do agree with what you said about his.

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Speaker 1: Emotions.

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Speaker 4: Was not sorry showing emotions, not showing emotions but also

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Speaker 4: when we all went on our show, first Golden Bachelor,

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Speaker 4: we I think all of us were truly there. I

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Speaker 4: can say this without a doubt. We're truly there to

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Speaker 4: find love. And back to what you guys said, not

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Speaker 4: all of these women are, and like you said, they've

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Speaker 4: told people that and people know that. But that made

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Speaker 4: me a little sad because I really wanted I wanted

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Speaker 4: it to continue on this season.

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Speaker 1: But that is what Bachelor stands for, finding love, right,

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Speaker 1: That's what it's about.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that ninety five percent of the people

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Speaker 3: there are were there to find love. I felt like

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Speaker 3: they were really upset when they when every single one

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Speaker 3: of them didn't get a rose and we're leaving the mansion,

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Speaker 3: they look truly upset. I really year like they were

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Speaker 3: there for the right reasons, just very so.

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Speaker 2: So, Susan, you and I have met these ladies, Joan,

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Speaker 2: I think you've met a few of them. I'm I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're smart women, So either we're missing something or they're desperate,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to believe they're desperate.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to Joe, can you tell us that

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Speaker 1: they whisper behind the scenes and they're giving these women

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Speaker 1: all this hope and you've had the.

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Speaker 4: Experience, you're the one is the best.

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Speaker 3: No, I got to tell you everything that I mean. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: editing is a big part of it. So I got

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Speaker 3: to imagine they're editing the best that they have to

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Speaker 3: show us. So it does make me a little worried

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Speaker 3: that we're we're only seeing what we're getting. We're only

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Speaker 3: getting what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: And so wait are you saying, Joanes, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: They're editing anything good out. I don't think that they're

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Speaker 3: getting enough emotion from them.

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Speaker 4: I can see how that would happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we both. We couldn't agree with you more.

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Speaker 1: And we want to thank you guys for popping in here.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: You know what. We can't wait to see how it ends.

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Speaker 2: And all I can say is, there's four of us here.

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Speaker 2: Two of us are single, two of us aren't two availables.

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Speaker 2: I love you, Thanks for coming you guys, We love you.

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Speaker 2: We can't wait to celebrate. We've got a big weekend plan.

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Speaker 2: So don't use all your energy on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't go shopping, never go down and relax.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for coming. Guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kathy, it was great having the girls and

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Speaker 1: it's great having them here. But we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: what we were talking about. And one of the common

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Speaker 1: denominators that I noticed from last night's show is the

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Speaker 1: children and the conversations that Mel was having and the

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Speaker 1: questions they were asking, and he wasn't given solid believable

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Speaker 1: I mean believable. Yes, he wasn't giving him anything. How

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Speaker 1: do you feel you?

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm not sure that Peg isn't

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when he first got to Debbie and

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Speaker 2: I think he is. I think if you look up

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Speaker 1: I get that he's being true to himself, but he's

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Speaker 2: I won't be surprised if he doesn't pick anyone. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's well.

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Speaker 1: Today, that's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he had to send someone home back to

437
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Speaker 2: the row ceremony. You know, he Debby deserves a happy ending.

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Speaker 2: We all know that he said it, she said it,

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Speaker 2: but something about his reaction with the family, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: that surprised. And I can't put any more of a

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Speaker 2: a finger on it than that, but I would not

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Speaker 2: be surprised. Cindy And I mean, let me just say,

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Speaker 2: Cindy and Peg, in my mind, are as different as

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Speaker 2: I am with Teresa. You know, like you can't want

445
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Speaker 2: us both, right, Yes, you could want you and me.

446
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Speaker 2: We're both out going, you know, Gregarias.

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Speaker 1: But personally, Kathy, I kind of felt it was a

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Speaker 1: Cindy Cindy Cindy all along and them shifted. Now because

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Speaker 1: did you see at the very very end of that

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Speaker 1: show when she said certain words like I feel like

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Speaker 1: she's not getting what she needs. Who Cindy's her choice too,

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Speaker 1: it's not just his.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she shook me.

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Speaker 1: Up a little bit, like, oh, maybe he's not given

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Speaker 1: her enough for her to put herself, like she's gonna

456
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Speaker 1: have her heartbroken or Peg will. I mean, somebody's gone.

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Speaker 2: To well unless he doesn't pick either one. And that's

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Speaker 2: kind of I think, I think some one of Cindy's daughter.

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Speaker 2: Cindy's daughter said, Mel seems unsure, and that's kind of

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Speaker 2: where I'm landing. Peg is fun, fun, fun. Cindy is more.

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Speaker 2: I want a family. I want to integrate into our families.

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Speaker 2: I want to love you everything, you know I want to.

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Speaker 1: She said, Sorry, she would move to La. She told

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Speaker 1: her girls, I will move but ready.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just kept thinking if this were my kids.

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Speaker 2: I always sit here now watching back a second season,

467
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you know, I have a daughter, what would

468
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Speaker 2: my daughter? You know, I've been hurt, a different kind

469
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Speaker 2: of hurt than Cindy, but I've had terrible loss in

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Speaker 2: my life. The last thing my kids want is for

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Speaker 2: me to have more hurt in my life and more pain.

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Speaker 1: Right, it sounded as if Peg didn't do a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of dating, and I assume that Cindy has and

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Speaker 1: on several dates and met several people and they just

475
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: didn't find the right one.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Can I be a jerk for a second. Yeah, Okay,

477
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: So my son's firefighter. He's retired from firefighting, but my

478
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: son was a firefighter for like fifteen years. Come on, Peg,

479
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: come on, people, if you are a firefighter, Peg retired

480
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Speaker 2: eighteen years ago, I can assure you people that you

481
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 2: don't have a cubby anymore. Your name was not on

482
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Speaker 2: that fire hat. There was no name on the jacket.

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Speaker 2: I'm just you know me, I'm a stickler for facts,

484
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: and I love to retired. I know I loved But

485
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, I love the fact that we

486
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Speaker 2: were celebrating firefighters because they are amazing, amazing people, and

487
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Speaker 2: so I love that. But I'm like, come on, Cindy,

488
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Speaker 2: what have you been doing the last eighteen years?

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Speaker 1: Come you mean?

490
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Speaker 2: I say that.

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Speaker 1: These ladies are beautiful inside and out in their own ways,

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Speaker 1: and you know what. The all we could do is

493
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: wait next week is is women tell all juicy?

494
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: That's gonna be If I can hardly wait, I'm guessing

495
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna get some good tidbits from from Debbie and

496
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: from if we got I'm sure Nicole beyond. But you

497
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: know what, I am looking forward to the when they

498
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: get to their their place for the fantasy suites, in

499
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: those dates and meeting the family because I don't know,

500
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Speaker 2: I feel like this season it's been rough to invest

501
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: in in the in the season, and I'm trying to

502
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: invest in it. But I have to say, for the

503
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: first time ever, he may not choose either one.

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Speaker 1: It's quite possible. And I talk to as you do

505
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: all of our fans. People write us all the time

506
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: on our podcast, and he's hard to support sometimes because

507
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: he isn't giving enough or give wait something.

508
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: Or he's either not giving because he's incapable of it,

509
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: or he's unsure, or he's nervous or he's anxious all

510
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: those things or.

511
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: And he was not a serial dater himself, right, he

512
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: took right time and he's finally ready. And that's a

513
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: good point.

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Speaker 2: So and I think people forget that I I love you, Susan,

515
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: Thank you Susan. I also think sometimes you forget that

516
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: the lead has all this on his or her shoulders,

517
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: and it's a lot and the expectation is that you're

518
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: there for love and you're going to get on a knee,

519
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: bended knee to the woman you're in love with. And

520
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: you know what, if he can't do it because he's

521
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: not sure, I respect that, you know, I respect that.

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait for I cannot wait to see

523
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: that well Hometown, I mean, women's tell all is going

524
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: to be juicy, lots of Oh I.

525
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Need like two hours for that episode.

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Speaker 2: But after that, oh, after that, it's going to be

527
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: those fantasy suites. I would love to be a fly

528
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: on the wall for those fantasy suits, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: And it's so true that that girls don't get to

530
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: see each other at all, but we'll save that for them. Yeah,

531
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: wasn't it fun having Joan and Nancy here?

532
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: You know what? And y'all we Susan. I hope to

533
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: be back next week, but frankly, the four of us

534
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: are going to raise some hell in Austin, Texas this weekend.

535
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: So if we don't, yeah, forget it. If we don't

536
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: show up next week, just know that we had a

537
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Speaker 2: great time burning down Austin, Texas.

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00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Austin, Texas. Wait, you guys have to see a video

539
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: out there that I put Kathy's grocery store. Can I

540
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: just chase something for one second? I have never you

541
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: go into the store and you get a cart, right, well,

542
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: we're going to go up and escalator and I had

543
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: those in the city. But the car doesn't go up.

544
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Speaker 1: It goes up on its own escalator and the sum

545
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: stamp I was in all over this.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say everything is bigger and better in Texas?

547
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Speaker 2: You should know that's.

548
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Bigger for sure. And you know what, this has been

549
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Speaker 1: fun and I have We're both very excited for next week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for listening. I'm glad you got to

551
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Speaker 1: say hi to Joan and Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks Jon and Nancy for dropping in with us.

553
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Speaker 2: We had a great time. Be sure to follow Bachelor

554
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming out every

555
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: week that you don't want to miss.

556
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557
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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app for wherever you listen to your podcast.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.

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Speaker 2: Take care,