WEBVTT - Episode 5: Business Opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>School of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>It's five in the morning, November twenty fifth, twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ivonne Guthman, a thirty two year old fisherman from

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico's Baja Peninsula, looks out onto Tortugas Bay. The Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>rolls gently at his feet. The first glimmers of sunrise

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<v Speaker 2>reveal a patchwork of boats on the horizon. The waters

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<v Speaker 2>here are popular among sports fishers. Giant schools of black

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<v Speaker 2>sea bass and fat and yellowtail lure anglers from hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of miles away. That's what brought Guthman here, and now

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<v Speaker 2>he and five other fishermen prepare their boat and begin

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<v Speaker 2>motoring out onto the water. Destination Isla de Stedros, a

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<v Speaker 2>two hour trip from the docks. The island is a

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<v Speaker 2>rocky spit of land home to just a few thousand people.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years back, Mitsubishi built a company town here

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<v Speaker 2>to store salt. But most locals depend on the fishing industry.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the few who rely on the islands well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just call it the underground economy. The Sinaloa Cartel,

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<v Speaker 2>arguably the most powerful and dangerous drug trafficking syndicate in

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<v Speaker 2>the West, calls Sadros their turf, but the cartel does

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<v Speaker 2>not own a monopoly on these waters. Some drug traffickers

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<v Speaker 2>know SROs as a frontier, a place where small time

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<v Speaker 2>drug runners and splinter groups can get their start. Yvonne

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<v Speaker 2>Gooseman and his fishing buddies they know this, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>fishermen and they stay in their lane, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they tell people, because on that November day

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<v Speaker 2>they don't cast their lines into the water. Instead, they

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<v Speaker 2>steer their boat toward the northern point of Sadrus. They

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<v Speaker 2>cast anchor slosh onto shore and begun unloading dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>black plastic tubs. Within minutes, they're tossing hundreds of small

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<v Speaker 2>succulents into the boxes, and little do they know they

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<v Speaker 2>are being watched by evening search and rescue teams are

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the fishermen. One is found dead with a

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<v Speaker 2>bullet hole in the back of his head, another alive

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<v Speaker 2>with a gunshot wound to his arm, and Yvonne Gusman well,

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<v Speaker 2>they find him weeks later, his decaying body bloated, bobbing

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<v Speaker 2>on the surface of the bay, his legs tightly wound

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<v Speaker 2>with rope. In this episode, plant poaching collides with organized crime.

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<v Speaker 2>How cartels, mobs, and criminal syndicates might be connected to

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<v Speaker 2>some of your favorite plants. I'm Summer rain Oaks from

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<v Speaker 2>School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is bad seeds.

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<v Speaker 2>On is La de Seyros, there's a threatened succulent called

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<v Speaker 2>siempre viva or dudley A pachyphytom. It looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>starry clump of sea an enemies with delicate hints of

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<v Speaker 2>green and chalky white leaves. It's endemic to the island,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning it only grows there, and in recent years in

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<v Speaker 2>East Asia, a single wild Dudleya has been selling for

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred dollars a pop, and that's been attracting people

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<v Speaker 2>who are hungry to make money, including Mexico's drug cartels.

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<v Speaker 1>Criminal activity and criminal networks are often driven by generating

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<v Speaker 1>profit making money.

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<v Speaker 2>You may remember Jenny Felt them from the Wildlife Justice Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>If people are willing to pay high prices for these things,

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<v Speaker 1>criminal networks will want to supply that They will find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to provide that service, regardless of whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>legal or not.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, this Dudleya has been luring criminals for a

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<v Speaker 2>while now. In twenty seventeen, the news outlet Masnotsios reported

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<v Speaker 2>that the Mexican military had stopped a tractor trailer driven

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<v Speaker 2>by three Korean nationals and a Mexican. When they pride

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<v Speaker 2>opened the back doors, they found nearly five thousand Dudley

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<v Speaker 2>apachef item one million dollars worth of poached succulents, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was small fry. More recently, the plant's been targeted

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<v Speaker 2>by major players in the world of organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet we had been saying in our own investigations with

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<v Speaker 1>wildlife crime was increasing intersection of wildlife crime with other

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<v Speaker 1>types of crime as well. If there are easy ways

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<v Speaker 1>to make money and ways to summit the regulatory system

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<v Speaker 1>around it, that's when other criminal groups might be interested

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<v Speaker 1>to exploit those networks.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, organized crime syndicats have been diversifying their

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<v Speaker 2>portfolios beyond drugs. Some cartel's mine iron, others steal gasoline

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<v Speaker 2>and grow avocados. The Cineloa cartel has an alarmingly large

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<v Speaker 2>stake in Mexico's legal seafood industry, and now they're moving

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<v Speaker 2>into succulents. In the case of the missing fishermen, rescuers

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<v Speaker 2>would find two of them alive not far from where

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<v Speaker 2>the succulents grow. One was uninjured, but the other was

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<v Speaker 2>stained in blood, clutching a bullet wound. Not far from them,

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<v Speaker 2>officials found dozens of tubs filled with dudley a pachyphytum,

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<v Speaker 2>and near those bins was the lifeless body of one

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<v Speaker 2>of their friends, faced down on the rocks. The survivors

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<v Speaker 2>told authorities everything that they had been hired by El Creq,

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<v Speaker 2>a sub chapter of the drug cartel. This group, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the Mexican newspaper and Signata, is involved in quote

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<v Speaker 2>drug trafficking, drug dealing, homicides, and illegal marketing of the

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<v Speaker 2>endemic plant siempre viva. The cartelts believed uses its vast

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<v Speaker 2>smuggling network to send these plants abroad with poached dudleya,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling to Tijuana, then LAPAs, then to Mexico City, and

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<v Speaker 2>then onward to China or Korea and onto the windowsills

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<v Speaker 2>of unsuspecting succulent collectors in Reais. The cartels are reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>paid in supplies that can be used to synthesize drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically a barter system. All of this, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being honest, sounds weird. Organized criminals and botany sound like

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<v Speaker 2>such unlikely bedfellows, but the truth is plants launched organized

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<v Speaker 2>crime as we know it. And I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 2>marijuana or cocaine or all the other plants fueling the

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<v Speaker 2>international drug trade. I'm talking lemons. We're in Sicily the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century and citrus fruits are in high demand. Scientists

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<v Speaker 2>recently discovered that vitamin C and lemons and oranges can

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<v Speaker 2>prevent scurvy, and now the shipping industry is knocking down

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<v Speaker 2>doors to get its hands on some cold, hard fruit.

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<v Speaker 3>In these early days, it turned out that Sicily was

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<v Speaker 3>one of the few places is where oranges and lemon

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<v Speaker 3>were grown.

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<v Speaker 2>That's doctor Ola Olson, by the way. He's a Swedish

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<v Speaker 2>economist and an expert on the weird link between lemons

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<v Speaker 2>and the mob.

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<v Speaker 3>Cecily could relatively quickly then answer to this greater demand,

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<v Speaker 3>and this led to kind of a boosting demand that

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<v Speaker 3>happened in a very weakly institutionalized community.

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<v Speaker 2>In the mid eighteen hundreds. The state was too weak

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<v Speaker 2>to police the people, so rogues, marauders, brigands and highway

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<v Speaker 2>bandits plagued the countryside. Living in Sicily was every man

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<v Speaker 2>for himself.

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<v Speaker 3>The general environment at this time was a very unstable,

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<v Speaker 3>weakly institutions, lot of mistrust in government.

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<v Speaker 2>For lemon farmers, the picking season was a time to

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<v Speaker 2>watch your back. A smart poacher could steal a year's

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<v Speaker 2>harvest in just a night or two. Unable to rely

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<v Speaker 2>on the state for protection, farmers grabbed shotguns and built walls.

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<v Speaker 2>But this wasn't enough. The bandits kept coming, and growers

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<v Speaker 2>began looking for alternatives.

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<v Speaker 3>The people who cultivated citrus then needed to employ different

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<v Speaker 3>types of security personnel, and often this personnel came from

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<v Speaker 3>groups that had established themselves locally as some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>strong men that could bring some order to the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of local chaotic situation. When this sort of state could

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<v Speaker 3>not really do that efficiently.

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<v Speaker 2>Hiring local roughnecks worked, at least for a while. Sicilian

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<v Speaker 2>lemon production actually skyrocketed three thousand percent over a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Profits stored until the men hired to do the security well,

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<v Speaker 2>they began demanding a bigger piece of the cut.

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<v Speaker 3>So in this institutional vacuum. This is together with this

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<v Speaker 3>huge demand for citrus fruits. That's why we believe that

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<v Speaker 3>the mafia rose.

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<v Speaker 2>The guards watching the lemon groves began organizing and extorting farmers,

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<v Speaker 2>stealing from their trees and selling the lemons in private.

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<v Speaker 3>They actually infiltrated in this way, both acting as middlemen,

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<v Speaker 3>but also acting more directly in the harbors, in the ports,

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<v Speaker 3>monitoring and also squeezing rents out of the trade in

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<v Speaker 3>different stages, so to speak, both directly and indirectly.

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<v Speaker 2>The consequences for not cooperating could be dire. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, one lemon grove owner, a doctor Golotti, fired

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<v Speaker 2>his warden for stealing fruit. He hired a new guard,

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<v Speaker 2>but then the warden's friends shot the new security. Detailed

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<v Speaker 2>dead menacing letters poured into Golotti's home demanding that he

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<v Speaker 2>rehire his old help. Intimidation, it turns out, worked. The

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<v Speaker 2>middlemen of the lemon trade group together swore oaths and

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<v Speaker 2>soon controlled much of the fruit supply chain. Some mafioso's

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<v Speaker 2>were so well organized that they were able to wrest

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<v Speaker 2>property from the farmers themselves. Eventually, the group expanded beyond fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>They got involved with local sulfur mines, and when Florida

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<v Speaker 2>overtook Sicily as a new citrus hub, these groups up

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<v Speaker 2>well how do I put it new business opportunities.

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<v Speaker 3>Like smuggling of people or smuggling of arms. I would

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<v Speaker 3>say it's pretty is standard that these groups try eventually

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<v Speaker 3>to diversify as potentially one first origin in a sense,

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<v Speaker 3>but then they quickly move on to other goods.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is organized crime and the plant and wildlife trade.

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<v Speaker 2>They are more intertwined than you can imagine. Militant groups

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<v Speaker 2>in East Africa, fron terrorists through ivory poaching the Talipan

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<v Speaker 2>made hundreds of millions controlling Afghanistan's poppy harmist A few

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<v Speaker 2>decades ago, insurgent maoists in Nepal beefed up their wartime

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<v Speaker 2>bank accounts by selling a pricey fungus called cordyceps that

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not making this up, grows on caterpillars, and

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<v Speaker 2>detective agencies know this. Since twenty seventeen, sting operations staged

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<v Speaker 2>by Interpol's Wildlife Crime Working Groups have arrested more than

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand people, and when the dollars are counted, wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>smuggling only lacks behind human firearms and drug trafficking. The

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations projects that wildlife crime will continue to increase

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<v Speaker 2>five to seven percent each year. And yet, despite this

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<v Speaker 2>long history, and despite the obvious growth, efforts to stop

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<v Speaker 2>it have been pretty wimpy at best.

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<v Speaker 1>Environmental crime isn't prioritized by law enforcement compared to other

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<v Speaker 1>types of crime. You know, it sounds a rasourced compared

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<v Speaker 1>to other crime types. If the penalty is not even

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<v Speaker 1>one tenth of the profit, which is often the case,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a cost of doing business. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, will have no impact in stopping or

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<v Speaker 1>deterring that crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out, crime does pay. And if succulents and lemons

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<v Speaker 2>are enough to lure cartels in the mob, just imagine

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<v Speaker 2>what it must be like when an individual plant can

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<v Speaker 2>fetch fifty thousand dollars. A look inside the syndicates stealing

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<v Speaker 2>the most expensive plants on the planet. When we return,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to close your eyes and imagine. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>the world sixty five million years yars ago to the

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<v Speaker 2>age of dinosaurs. You're surrounded by jungle. It's muggy, the

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<v Speaker 2>sweat is beating on your brow. Above, winged reptiles sore below.

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<v Speaker 2>Giant beetles and primitive possums scurry through the undergrowth nearby,

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<v Speaker 2>munching on some plants is one of my favorites, the

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<v Speaker 2>long necked Alamosaurus. But I want you to imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>plant life too. It's so green. There are ferns and

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<v Speaker 2>conifers and Ginko's galore, some of the world's first flowering plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful pink blossoms are taking room. And then you notice

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<v Speaker 2>this strange stubby tree that is.

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<v Speaker 4>A cycad s perfessional is looked like a palm.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Anders Lindstrum. He's a botanist at the nong Nutched

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<v Speaker 2>Tropical Garden in Thailand, home to the largest collection of

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<v Speaker 2>cycads in the world, which I had the pleasure of

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<v Speaker 2>visiting a few years back.

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<v Speaker 4>The main difference between a psycha and the palm is

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<v Speaker 4>I will reproductive structure. Palms have actually flowers, but the

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<v Speaker 4>fertile structure of psychad are looking like pine cones.

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<v Speaker 2>These palmy greens are some of the oldest plants in

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>They're ancient blond groups that spat back to the dinosaur time,

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<v Speaker 4>and they have survived and actually flourished off to the dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 2>Honders call cycads living fossils, and that means they could

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<v Speaker 2>command a high price a single cycad can fetch upwards

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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred thousand dollars. If you tallied the profits

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<v Speaker 2>from all the cycads poached over the last two decades,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have more than six hundred million dollars. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those thefts have happened in South Africa. That country

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<v Speaker 2>is home to a tenth of all sieicad species. In

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<v Speaker 2>the two decades leading up to twenty fourteen, endangered psycads

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<v Speaker 2>there declined ninety percent. In the words of the Global

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<v Speaker 2>Initiative against Transnational Organized Crime.

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<v Speaker 5>The illicit psycad trade in South Africa has grown so organized, lucrative,

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<v Speaker 5>and harmful that the authorities have identified it as a

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<v Speaker 5>priority wildlife crime alongside rhino, elephant and avaloni poaching.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it's gotten so bad that some estimates suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that psychads are now the most endangered living organism in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. In some parts of South Africa, the rarest

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<v Speaker 2>wild cycads are now microchipped just in case they're ever stolen,

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<v Speaker 2>but thefts continue. One allure is, of course their rarity,

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<v Speaker 2>but also their longevity.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they grows so slow, you can keep them probably

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<v Speaker 4>your lifetime, in your living room, and they will never

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<v Speaker 4>outgrow your living room, so it's like a piece of

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<v Speaker 4>vintage art or something. The plant you own is one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred or two hundred years old and therefore very expensive.

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<v Speaker 4>So unfortunately, a lot of people see that as an investment.

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<v Speaker 4>They pay a lot of money for these plants, and

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<v Speaker 4>they keep it their role life. In the end of

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<v Speaker 4>their life, they can still sell the plant. Further.

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<v Speaker 2>This desirability prompted the New York Times back in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five to proclaim that psychads were quote the

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<v Speaker 2>botanical equivalent of a garage full of rolls royces. A cult,

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<v Speaker 2>the Time said, has grown up around these plants that

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<v Speaker 2>include a cadre of bad guys who smuggle for profit.

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<v Speaker 2>These crooks are not drug cartels doing plant crime on

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<v Speaker 2>the side. These are full time psycad syndicates, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the dirty work of smuggling these plants overseas with

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<v Speaker 2>devastating consequences.

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<v Speaker 4>An area it has a couple one hundred plants, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>of some specie, and they have been there for ages,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, but then the people coming and poach them,

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<v Speaker 4>and the regeneration is very low. Usually out of three

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<v Speaker 4>four hundred seeds days. Yes, a few percent that actually

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<v Speaker 4>survive into majority. So when you're going to many of

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<v Speaker 4>these populations, if you take out the big plants that

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<v Speaker 4>set the seed and there is no seedlings to start with,

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<v Speaker 4>then the whole population has collapsed. When you take out

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<v Speaker 4>the mature plants, you basically cut the throat of the

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<v Speaker 4>whole population.

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<v Speaker 2>These plants have been part of the Earth's ecosystem since

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<v Speaker 2>the dinosaurs. They've survived mass extinctions and global catastrophes, but

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<v Speaker 2>they may not survive human greed, which is why. In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, agents with the US Fish and

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<v Speaker 2>Wildlife Service courted one of the psychad syndicates responsible. The

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<v Speaker 2>mission was dubbed Opera Botany. Special agents opened a fake

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<v Speaker 2>business called Hugh Enterprises, and, using aliases, began seeking out

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<v Speaker 2>rare and illegal psycads. Their bids caught the attention of

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<v Speaker 2>smugglers Rolf Bauer and Yonfonfieren in South Africa. The men

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<v Speaker 2>were surprisingly open about how they smuggled endangered cycads into

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<v Speaker 2>the US. They poached the plants from the wild, and

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<v Speaker 2>before transporting them over seas, stripped the cycads of their leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Naked the endangered cycads were unrecognizable, allowing the smugglers to

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<v Speaker 2>mislabel them fooling customs, and it worked. In a July

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand one shipment, the smugglers flew one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen rare Encephalardis Muncii under a different name. In the end,

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<v Speaker 2>more than eight hundred and forty thousand dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 2>illegal cycads came through San Francisco International Airport and then

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<v Speaker 2>came the state. The agents invited the smugglers to Las

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas as a thank you. After a few nights of partying,

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<v Speaker 2>the men got into the car that they were told

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<v Speaker 2>would drive them to the airport for a private flight. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>they got a visit from the fence. The eye don't mean,

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<v Speaker 2>but cases like this are the exception. Most pycad syndicates

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<v Speaker 2>work from Afar, much like the Mexican cartel enlisting poor fishermen.

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<v Speaker 2>Sycad crooks are now hiring locals to do the poaching.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Southern Africa, the ruse is exposing old fault

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<v Speaker 2>lines of race and class. Most of the ringleaders are

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<v Speaker 2>rich and white, but most of the people on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>those at the greatest risk of getting busted, are poor

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<v Speaker 2>and black. One organized sycad ring in Zimbabwe, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>was caught stealing eighty one cycads. More than half of

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<v Speaker 2>the poachers were unemployed locals, and the rates they earned

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<v Speaker 2>were a busy just six dollars for a three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars plant, less than half a percent of the total cut.

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<v Speaker 2>We did dozens of interviews for this podcast, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>been a theme that as bad as poaching is, many

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<v Speaker 2>of the people doing it aren't the ring leaders. Many

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<v Speaker 2>are doing it out of desperation. But Anders has a

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<v Speaker 2>story of how he might be able to break that cycle.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a cyca from China, Cycas debuensis, and they

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<v Speaker 4>said the population was like a thousand plants, and when

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<v Speaker 4>it was described, everyone went in to dig it with

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<v Speaker 4>the help of the locals because they needed money and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>And we went in there and we did an inventory

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<v Speaker 4>of the whatever plants were left in the wild, and

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<v Speaker 4>at the time we had less than one hundred plants left.

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<v Speaker 4>So what was the problem. Why why did the local

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<v Speaker 4>dig the plants? Oh they needed money, right, yeah, everyone

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<v Speaker 4>needs money, But for what This was a village shop

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<v Speaker 4>in the mountain, far away from everything. You can't just

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<v Speaker 4>go to a supermarket and buy a new car or something.

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<v Speaker 4>So what do you need the money for? Oh, the

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<v Speaker 4>kids needed school and the closest school was quite far away.

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<v Speaker 4>To get them to school was a major financial burden

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<v Speaker 4>for their village people. So we suggested that what only

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<v Speaker 4>get to school built nearby, actually right in the village.

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<v Speaker 4>And we also raised money from the Psychic Society in

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<v Speaker 4>the US and they provided the books, pencils, and so

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<v Speaker 4>on for their kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And after a lot of wrangling and hobnobbing, the school

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<v Speaker 2>was built. Parents weren't so desperate for money, and the

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<v Speaker 2>kids got to stay home, and the plants well, they

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<v Speaker 2>started to thrive again.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I believe it's over one thousand plants back in

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<v Speaker 4>the wild again. Everyone is happy. If we didn't step

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<v Speaker 4>in at that time, they probably wouldn't survive in the

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<v Speaker 4>long term. You can come in and say don't dig

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<v Speaker 4>this plant, don't do that. You know, you can fence

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<v Speaker 4>it all in and build a cage and whatever, or

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<v Speaker 4>you haven't solved the problem. Unfortunately, not a very common

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<v Speaker 4>approach in nature conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>But Anders thinks that over time that could change. More

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<v Speaker 2>conservationists are realizing that band aids don't work that. If

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<v Speaker 2>we want to stop the cycle, we need to address

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<v Speaker 2>the root causes of poaching. When Yvonne Guzman and his

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<v Speaker 2>fellow fishermen set out on that November day, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give much thought to the macroeconomics, the market implications, or

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<v Speaker 2>the international supply chain. They were just trying to earn

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<v Speaker 2>a buck, and as news reports later showed, it appears

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<v Speaker 2>the money led fishermen to a fatal mistake. Reports suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that the men may have agreed to pick succulents for

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<v Speaker 2>not one, but multiple competing cartels. If true, it appears

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<v Speaker 2>that the word got out the fishermen had failed to

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<v Speaker 2>show loyalty, and so that day a boat of goons

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<v Speaker 2>ambushed them. In the end, two men, including Gusman, were murdered. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>admittedly succulents are still a pretty small part of the

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<v Speaker 2>cartel's portfolio, but stories like these are sadly becoming more

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<v Speaker 2>and more common, especially when you consider other plants, especially trees.

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<v Speaker 1>With our research, we found that there's quite a strong link.

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<v Speaker 1>We've teamba crime and drug chaffee king. That link, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really strong, particularly in Central and South America.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the experts already have a name for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Narco deforestation is sort of a term that's being used

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<v Speaker 1>more widely now. Forest's being cut for airstrips, for landing

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<v Speaker 1>planes to move product from where it's grown and producing

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<v Speaker 1>into consumer markets. There's forest clearing that happens for cattle ranching,

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<v Speaker 1>for laundering drug money. You've got forest areas being cleaned,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes even in protected areas, to grow coca.

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<v Speaker 2>And some groups are just cutting and stealing trees for

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<v Speaker 2>the old fashioned reason to make money. Take Columbia. When

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<v Speaker 2>FARK signed a peace agreement a few years ago, smaller

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<v Speaker 2>crime syndicates groups like Los Bontieros and the National Liberation

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<v Speaker 2>Army swarmed in and started clearing land. Just recently, a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal network was arrested for illegally chopping down eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty five acres of forest in Central and South America.

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<v Speaker 2>Narco forestation has turned into a cottage industry. The timber

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<v Speaker 2>not only earns cartel's a tidy income, but also helps

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<v Speaker 2>hide the dirty dealings lurking in the shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>So the timber industry could be used as a kava,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, a concealment method. And we've wildlife trafficking. We

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<v Speaker 1>often say that as well that team the companies can

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<v Speaker 1>be used as front companies.

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<v Speaker 2>The reasons for it are by now obvious low risk,

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<v Speaker 2>high reward. But as species disappear, organized criminals are expected

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<v Speaker 2>to make more than one hundred and nineteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>this year in the illegal trade of plants and animals,

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<v Speaker 2>but the ripple effects are worse. The estimated impact of

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<v Speaker 2>these environmental crimes is expected to cost more than half

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<v Speaker 2>a trillion dollars. Slaps on the wrist aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>stop that kind of money, especially large cartels, which are

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly situated for this kind of business.

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<v Speaker 1>They must have a chain of people who are buying

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<v Speaker 1>sourcing products, consolidating them to make those big shipments. People

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<v Speaker 1>who are organized in terms of liaising, getting the logistics

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<v Speaker 1>together to move that shipment, getting it through a port

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<v Speaker 1>or an airport to move it internationally.

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<v Speaker 2>The bigger the group, the harder it is to find

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<v Speaker 2>who exactly is responsible. In fact, even when we know

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<v Speaker 2>these crimes are happening, it can be hard to stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>Take this case from twenty fifteen. So there is this containership.

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<v Speaker 1>Fully loaded with timber, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Set to sail from Peru to.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States to Houston. Was it some final destination.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on that day it's supposed to depart, everything stops.

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<v Speaker 1>A public prosecutor came on board and tried to seize

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<v Speaker 1>a portion of the timber.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently the word got out that some of the timber.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen percent of the total.

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<v Speaker 2>Is illegal. The inspectors have a chat with the ship

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<v Speaker 2>captain and eventually they come to an agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave port, deliver the timber just returned with that fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent portion that was found to be illegal at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the voyage.

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<v Speaker 2>So the ship leaves port and the investigators they start

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<v Speaker 2>looking deeper into the keyse They.

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<v Speaker 1>Were looking at all the documentation from the timber where

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<v Speaker 1>it was extracted from to verify whether it was legal

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<v Speaker 1>or not.

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<v Speaker 2>What they find sharks them letting the boat go was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge mistique.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire shipment was actually illegal. Around ninety six percent

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<v Speaker 1>they found was illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>But now it's too late.

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<v Speaker 1>The ship had sailed and eventually it was delivered to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth noting that this has led to dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>court cases, many happening right now, and it seems likely

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<v Speaker 2>that whoever was behind this illegal harvest, they probably had

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of connection to the people on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>If a company is paying to get a license in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that is outside of the official process, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very likely that that money has to flow up the

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<v Speaker 1>chain to the individuals signing off on that license or permit,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a person you know sometimes right at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the old phrase follow the money. Well, when

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<v Speaker 2>you follow the trail left by organized criminals, sometimes it

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<v Speaker 2>leads you to the halls of power.

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<v Speaker 1>There've been other allegations in other countries involving very senior officials,

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<v Speaker 1>very high level individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>To political leaders, and some of the companies you love

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<v Speaker 2>coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in a terrible trouble, and they deserve to get

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<v Speaker 4>into trouble. The corruption was so high level that the

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<v Speaker 4>paperwork could be really seem pristine enough.

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<v Speaker 5>They came in.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, we heard, we're being rated.

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<v Speaker 2>We're being rated. Everyone to the back. I'm Summer rain Oaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Join us again next time for Bad Seeds. Bad Seeds

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<v Speaker 2>is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host Summer rain Oaks. Lucas Riley is our writer,

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<v Speaker 2>Gabby Watts is our producer, and Amelia Brock is our

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<v Speaker 2>senior producer. Fact Checking is by Savannah Hugely and Zoe Farrell.

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<v Speaker 2>Original music is by Claire Campbell. Sound design and scores

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<v Speaker 2>by Jesse Niswanger. Our show art is by Pam Peacock.

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<v Speaker 2>Development was by Brian Lavin and Jacob Selzer. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for a voice actor Miranda Hawkins. Executive producers are Brian Lavin,

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<v Speaker 2>Elsie Crowley, Brandon Barr, Virginia Prescott and Jacob Selzer.