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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, My Harrison and
Speaker 1: then Aaron Gonzalez run of things in the back has
Speaker 1: his combs open in my ear throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the show. But we've got some fun things to talk
Speaker 1: about throughout this show as well. We'll be on for
Speaker 1: the next hour up until twelve thirty. And we've got
Speaker 1: Rob Phillipson studio. How about that for the first time
Speaker 1: since the pandemic and I am super excited about that. Rob.
Speaker 1: How are we doing today? It's good to see you
Speaker 1: in person without a mask. I know it's kind of crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we always is one thing, but actually in studio this
Speaker 1: is this is special. Now we need to get all
Speaker 1: four all four. Everybody, let's get the let's get the
Speaker 1: band back, get the gang back together, or just together
Speaker 1: for the first time, because we've had two shows over
Speaker 1: the course of this crew that have been in person,
Speaker 1: and that was in front of an RV outside. That
Speaker 1: was the only times we've ever been. It was very
Speaker 1: frigid out there, Kyle, it was frigid. And then the
Speaker 1: other show you were like twenty five minutes late too,
Speaker 1: because you were running in the Tesla my zero to
Speaker 1: sixty speed. Okay, don't you just me I'm jealous, Guys,
Speaker 1: I want to say that right now, Rob I'm jealous
Speaker 1: that you are in studio. Zay has been in studio.
Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, at some point, man, you definitely
Speaker 1: a step cousin right now. Heck, you're definitely a step cousin.
Speaker 1: How I'm feeling, I am feeling like but listen, talk
Speaker 1: about Hey, look when we talk about getting the band
Speaker 1: back together? By chance, Rob P, did you get a
Speaker 1: chance to check out the Isley Brothers and Earth Wind
Speaker 1: and Fire on versus last night on Instagram? I would
Speaker 1: take that as a note no, no, hang on, hang on, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I didn't see the I didn't
Speaker 1: have the volume up, but I sure saw the visual.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. No, man,
Speaker 1: you talk about fun last night. I'm just for old school,
Speaker 1: for the old school guys like myself. That Isasley Brothers,
Speaker 1: earth Wind and fire Man. It's like those are vintage
Speaker 1: classic groups. They had a versus on Instagrams. It's a
Speaker 1: good night for R and B. You know, look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not a part of the TikTok generation, not either,
Speaker 1: speaking of speaking wait a minute, Wait a minute, though,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, but got a point to speaking of
Speaker 1: TikTok generation ologie Kyle Yeoman's Hey guys, I love you
Speaker 1: like a step nephew, But what are you doing? What
Speaker 1: the things you do for love? Yeah? Zaiah, his bad
Speaker 1: card is on a ninety days to speech? Whoas bringing up?
Speaker 1: It's ninety days? Why back for ninety days? You you
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta see it to believe it. That's
Speaker 1: all I gotta say about it. I RS just hit up,
Speaker 1: just hit up his Instagram story and yeah, your day's
Speaker 1: made basically, yeah, just just it's on the Instagram. It's
Speaker 1: also on the Twitter. There's a couple of different versions.
Speaker 1: We get it multiple times. But I'm I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: shocked that the confidence level wasn't awarded with this because
Speaker 1: I felt like I got out there and I owned it.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, that's okay, I got I got some
Speaker 1: positive feedback, that's true. That's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I had some positive feedback from it. But it was fun.
Speaker 1: Basically for those of you listen thing who you aren't
Speaker 1: and on the joke and go follow me at Kyle
Speaker 1: Underscore Yeoman's and go look at the video. It was
Speaker 1: a TikTok dance with my girlfriend Laurina, who basically during
Speaker 1: Easter dinner was like, hey, let's go out and let's
Speaker 1: go out and do a TikTok dance. So I did,
Speaker 1: and I owned it and it was fantastic. She was
Speaker 1: way better than I was, which is understandable. But that's
Speaker 1: what we did doing Eastern Gun. You're lucky. I can't
Speaker 1: see stories on the computer. You gotta check it in
Speaker 1: the break man. We'll pull it up and make sure
Speaker 1: everybody does. But hope everybody had a very safe and
Speaker 1: wonderful Easter weekend and was able to celebrate and or
Speaker 1: relax and just have a good weekend. But well, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have another weekend on their schedule coming up in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Seventeen games approved through the NFL and
Speaker 1: the owners meetings last week. That was something that we
Speaker 1: all kind of knew was on the radar ever since
Speaker 1: really the Collective Bargaining Agreement prior to the twenty twenty season,
Speaker 1: that seventeen games was going to be a thing. Well, Rob,
Speaker 1: it's now a thing. And the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: play the New England Patriots on the road, So nine
Speaker 1: road games, eight home games in twenty twenty one, something
Speaker 1: that I know the Cowboys aren't necessarily excited about, but
Speaker 1: the NFL is pretty excited about it. Oh, it's money, money, money,
Speaker 1: money for money, and it is one well it's not
Speaker 1: one less preseason game this year, it will be going
Speaker 1: forward because the Cowboys my understanding, they're still gonna have
Speaker 1: four preseason games because of the Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 1: which is always kind of like the kickoff, and then
Speaker 1: you have the actual exhibition schedule. So I mean, look,
Speaker 1: it's not Tom Brady, but it's a lot of football,
Speaker 1: and it's it's the Pats on the road, and and
Speaker 1: heck was going down the schedule, the road schedule, it
Speaker 1: is not. It's not friendly for the Cowboys in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, even though they've got technically a third place
Speaker 1: scheduled this next coming season. Oh gosh. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: look at some of the teams that they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna face, it's something that you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: really really on point about if you're gonna find the
Speaker 1: way around that schedule. Is that is that a January
Speaker 1: game in New England? We don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they're probably gonna announce the schedule in the
Speaker 1: next month, if not before the draft, and probably after
Speaker 1: last year it was right after my birthday, which is
Speaker 1: the first week in May. That would suck. Just yes,
Speaker 1: for those that don't have never played in New England,
Speaker 1: that would that would be terrible. Actually back, but what
Speaker 1: were we going to say about the opponents there? No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about third place and typically you get,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not the toughest schedule, but that is
Speaker 1: we got a pretty were about our road games are
Speaker 1: pretty pretty tough, so stout, Yeah, it is that, but
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes down to the seventeen game
Speaker 1: season when they announced it. I'm just one of those people.
Speaker 1: And then just for my own selfish reasons, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: more football. And you know, you know, the NFL is
Speaker 1: a will or old machine that is going to pay
Speaker 1: attention to supply and demand, and the demand is there
Speaker 1: for more football. They incorporated an extra playoff game last year,
Speaker 1: and now we get an extra game this year during
Speaker 1: the regular season. And you know, you've heard a lot
Speaker 1: from the players just with conflicting ideas about that that
Speaker 1: extra game. So I'm really interested in hearing what Isaiah
Speaker 1: has to say about it, because the players don't seem
Speaker 1: to be too happy about it. Yeah. No, I mean
Speaker 1: from the physical standpoint, obviously, I don't know all the
Speaker 1: ins and outs in terms of the back end aspects
Speaker 1: of it, in terms of what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: their health, insurance, you know, post you know, post career
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Those are the things that
Speaker 1: were really make up for it in a sense. But
Speaker 1: your body's your body's done. I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about you know, sixteen regular season games,
Speaker 1: right so, I know fans are out there hype right now,
Speaker 1: and now we're talking about seventeen regular season games. So
Speaker 1: you're talking you take seventeen games that matter, right, and
Speaker 1: then you factor in, you know, two preseason games where
Speaker 1: you're starters, right, because everybody says, well all the starters
Speaker 1: don't play, it's about one and a half games where
Speaker 1: the starters playing in preseason, right, So let's call it
Speaker 1: eighteen and a half games. And then, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: if your team is good, you go to the playoffs. Right,
Speaker 1: there's thing called the playoffs. I know some you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully we we learned a little bit more about that
Speaker 1: going forward. But that gives us nineteen nineteen games twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one if you make it all the way. We're
Speaker 1: talking about twenty two games, right, if you start off
Speaker 1: in the first round. Right. So that's a lot of football.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of banging. If you're an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: you're playing sixty plus snaps a game, you were hitting
Speaker 1: your head against another player sixty plus times per game,
Speaker 1: times twenty two potentially, right, seventeen Guaranteed you're talking about
Speaker 1: you know, stress on tendons and ligaments and knees and
Speaker 1: joints and all that stuff. It wears you out and
Speaker 1: obviously you've gotta most people are gonna say, hey, you
Speaker 1: understand that, you know the demands that come with the game.
Speaker 1: Very true. You sign a country, you understand it. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you that you become negligent when it
Speaker 1: comes to the topic. So you know, hopefully there's some
Speaker 1: things on the back end that are going to take
Speaker 1: care of these guys for past their career, after their career,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna need it. It is something to look for.
Speaker 1: And you look at all the extra opponents that I
Speaker 1: was trying to find during the during your I guess
Speaker 1: explanation there but Kansas City on the road, Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: who of course is an up and coming team, with
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and company on the road, the Vikings. We
Speaker 1: take the trip up north again, New Orleans of course,
Speaker 1: your divisional opponents, Tampa Bay and then newdow that's your road.
Speaker 1: You got both teams that were in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You had the rookie of the year, you have the
Speaker 1: best running back in the league. But right now, which
Speaker 1: is Minnesota, and I guess you could probably throw Derek
Speaker 1: Henrys there in there as well. You got New Orleans who,
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna be on a bit of a
Speaker 1: rebuild without Drew Brees. But yikes, I mean, Rob, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a road team that's gonna be
Speaker 1: challenged just as much as this Cowboys team is going
Speaker 1: to be in twenty twenty one. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: first place schedule. Honestly, if you and if you look
Speaker 1: at the home games, I mean, you know, every division
Speaker 1: game every year is a toss up to me. Sure,
Speaker 1: Giants should be better, Eagles could be better, Washington's definitely
Speaker 1: a improving team, Arizona, Atlanta, Carolina, Denver Raiders. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't you look at all those teams and say
Speaker 1: that's a winnable game that's also a losable game. So goodness,
Speaker 1: on paper, it doesn't look like an easy schedule for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in twenty twenty one. And yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want to draw a road game against Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: no matter who the quarterback is. Camp Newton's still an
Speaker 1: effective quarterback too, by the way. So and Isaiah's point,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be eighteen at some point, right, They're gonna
Speaker 1: get to eighteen games and they'll drop it down to
Speaker 1: two preseason games. But you know it comes down to money,
Speaker 1: and look at players agree to it as what's more
Speaker 1: money for the players. But Isaiah's right. I mean, you
Speaker 1: walk into a locker room in December every year and
Speaker 1: guys are feeling it. Guys are feeling it in mid
Speaker 1: September late September as well. But it's just it's the
Speaker 1: it's the nature of the sport. It's a it's a grind. Man.
Speaker 1: What kind of team is going to be more well
Speaker 1: equipped to face a schedule like this? Is it going
Speaker 1: to be those teams that are full of experienced players
Speaker 1: or is it gonna be fresh legs Because I kind
Speaker 1: of lean both ways of being able to pace yourself,
Speaker 1: but also I mean the fresh legs are gonna help
Speaker 1: out whenever it comes to playing seventeen games. Go ahead. No,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, I think the bye
Speaker 1: week is more important than it's ever been now where
Speaker 1: it's placed, and wanting to know where the NFL is
Speaker 1: going to go with maybe incorporating an extra by week
Speaker 1: and also extra bodies for your roster if they're gonna
Speaker 1: go there at all. We hadn't heard anything about it,
Speaker 1: but still those are some of the things that I
Speaker 1: think that the seventeen season, grind is going to give you.
Speaker 1: But look you you you know you ask those questions
Speaker 1: about fresh legs and where we're gonna play, so how
Speaker 1: we're gonna be with their home schedule versus away. We
Speaker 1: got some tough games, obviously, are we built for it
Speaker 1: right now? I don't think that you're in position to
Speaker 1: have any confidence, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Right The teams that we're gonna come up against are
Speaker 1: gonna be a culmination of teams that can run the
Speaker 1: ball and can definitely pass the ball. When you talk
Speaker 1: about the Kansas City's of the league, and you know
Speaker 1: Herbert is going to present a challenge and the offensive
Speaker 1: player of the year. So we have to right now
Speaker 1: start looking at the way that we're building this team,
Speaker 1: whether it be to you know, for the NFC each
Speaker 1: or to survive a season like this when you look
Speaker 1: at the competition, and man, you could be behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball really quick if you're the Cowboys Azama And
Speaker 1: I was just gonna, I was just gonna add, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna add that that Harold Nash Junior needs
Speaker 1: to be a name that is that has highly talked
Speaker 1: about in this offseason and for those that don't know
Speaker 1: who that is, he is now the head strength coach
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. I had the pleasure of having
Speaker 1: him as an assistant strength coach when I was in
Speaker 1: my time in New England. Um, he knows what the
Speaker 1: heck he's doing. He's a fiery, fiery guy. He's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of guy in a small package. Right,
Speaker 1: He's a small dude, but he's he's full of energy
Speaker 1: and knowledge, and he's aggressive and he knows how to
Speaker 1: get after it. In terms of the strength program, I
Speaker 1: would say that the best strength and conditioning program. This
Speaker 1: is hard because I was really spoiled in NFL, but
Speaker 1: I was the strength conditioning program that I experienced when
Speaker 1: I was my time in New England was probably second
Speaker 1: to none, and and and coach coach Nash was one
Speaker 1: of the main reasons for that. He knows what the
Speaker 1: heck he's doing. It is more important than it's ever
Speaker 1: been this year for us to have a full offseason,
Speaker 1: no virtual, no virtual stuff. We're preparing for virtual, but
Speaker 1: in person seventeen games. It is uber important to get
Speaker 1: these guys not on site, not only for the mental
Speaker 1: aspect and understand what their responsibilities are assignment wise. But
Speaker 1: for the strength conditioning aspect of things, he has his
Speaker 1: job cut out for him because it is it is
Speaker 1: a serious undertaking to understand what guys bodies need throughout
Speaker 1: the season and for the strength coach to work in
Speaker 1: accordance with the head coach to make sure that things
Speaker 1: are still being handled accordingly while taking care of your players.
Speaker 1: What is right on I mean, I if I'm dan
Speaker 1: Quinn Man and I know this is still being discussed
Speaker 1: between the players side and the league about whether there's
Speaker 1: going to be some form of in person offseason. If
Speaker 1: I'm dan Quinn, I don't want to see my players
Speaker 1: for the first time in late July. I just for training.
Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to get this defense back on track,
Speaker 1: and there's I think there's a bonding element to it.
Speaker 1: But I think also in terms of installing a new
Speaker 1: scheme and just trying just for the offense too, for
Speaker 1: special teams, they just need to be together a little
Speaker 1: bit this offseason. And and look, I think I think
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about some of the free agents.
Speaker 1: A lot of the free agents that didn't work out
Speaker 1: last year. Maybe it would have helped them, you know,
Speaker 1: if they had gotten in the program. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: don Terry Poe apparently was overweight, was not in shape
Speaker 1: when he came in. Maybe if he was part of
Speaker 1: the offseason program would have been a different story person
Speaker 1: things like that. I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I know Mike McCarthy said last weeks and Isaiah just
Speaker 1: said it preparing for virtual it would be nice for
Speaker 1: them to at least be around each other a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I think they can. I think they can work
Speaker 1: out some here, but but I just mean, like OTA's
Speaker 1: mini camp, I think that's really important. Just having those
Speaker 1: team drills together and having at least a little bit
Speaker 1: of camaraderie and familiarity really with Dan Quinn is something
Speaker 1: that I know the Cowboys would definitely benefit from. And
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talked about it himself. Of even these games,
Speaker 1: these preseason games, even they're saying that he's talking about
Speaker 1: stories of in the past and players going out to
Speaker 1: eat and doing different things. Now that's still probably going
Speaker 1: to be pretty suppressed. So that makes these more in
Speaker 1: person meetings even more and more crucial. Whenever you get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be together. But Isaiah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people might look at this as just, oh, it's one
Speaker 1: more game. That's it. It's just one more game on
Speaker 1: the schedule, because I mean, whenever you look at it
Speaker 1: from the outside, that's exactly what it is. It's just
Speaker 1: an at a game. You get two extra weeks. I
Speaker 1: guess technically you get the back backside by week following
Speaker 1: week eighteen, and then you also have your bye week
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season. But why is one
Speaker 1: more game that much more imperative and that much more
Speaker 1: vital or vital whenever it comes to all of the
Speaker 1: hubbub around this seventeenth matchup. Yeah, so let me let
Speaker 1: me give it from a players from players perspective, because
Speaker 1: I know that's the sentiments of a lot of fans
Speaker 1: and watchers from the outside. No disrespect, because people just
Speaker 1: don't understand. So let me help you understand. If I
Speaker 1: ask you to run full speed into another grown man,
Speaker 1: right and with with with no remorse, to give me,
Speaker 1: give it all, give it your all with pads on.
Speaker 1: You have a helmet and pads on, but you have
Speaker 1: to run full speed to hit this person. How many
Speaker 1: times do you think it takes for you to get
Speaker 1: hurt once. It takes one. Yeah, it takes one. It
Speaker 1: takes one. So now you're saying from the player who
Speaker 1: from the Special Teams player all the way up to
Speaker 1: the starter, you're saying, now this person. Now you're asking
Speaker 1: these guys to do this at least twenty times for
Speaker 1: the Special Teams, right, call it twenty plays a game,
Speaker 1: twenty plays up to call it eighty five games that
Speaker 1: if you're in the Kansas City Chiefs, eighty five plays
Speaker 1: a game twenty to eighty five more hits when it
Speaker 1: only takes one more hit, right, one more twist, one
Speaker 1: more turn when we're bad cut. I get it from
Speaker 1: a fans perspective, but understanding from a players perspective, And yes,
Speaker 1: we signed up for a Yes I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. I know that's what people are gonna say.
Speaker 1: It takes one play. So you're just literally increasing their
Speaker 1: chances of one of your favorite players getting hurt. It's
Speaker 1: all it takes. That's why the Pro Bowls not, you know,
Speaker 1: the most competitive thing you've ever set, because guys don't
Speaker 1: want to get hurt. And I don't blame him one bit.
Speaker 1: And maybe and maybe you know, when we're talking about
Speaker 1: the offseason program. Maybe that's the more Smith's de Marie
Speaker 1: Smith's argument, you know, is that they, you know, injuries
Speaker 1: were apparently down last year, and they the quality play
Speaker 1: was still pretty good and we got a seventeenth game.
Speaker 1: So maybe we don't need a full offseason program in person,
Speaker 1: But I from the Cowboys perspective, I think they could
Speaker 1: certainly use it. Yeah, they definitely need it. I think
Speaker 1: if they're going to try and turn around a little
Speaker 1: bit more than what they had last year on that
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, especially on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the football, things were a bit awry in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty as well, And I teased at one point, is
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott going to be the starting quarterback in twenty twenty? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tease that again. Will he be the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in twenty twenty one? I'll explain my tease
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Speaker 1: It'll be a lot of fun. But can we real quick,
Speaker 1: can we get one more review from Isaiah about what
Speaker 1: we just saw in the break? Huh? Yes? Your thoughts
Speaker 1: with my um with my with my freshly checked Esselar
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Speaker 1: do say? I had twenty twelve and a half vision. Heckma, wow, gracious,
Speaker 1: come on with this, with this perfect vision that I have.
Speaker 1: I saw something very disturbing a second ago during the break,
Speaker 1: and I happened to go to TikTok twitter account for
Speaker 1: Kyle Human's Twitter account, and he had that he mentioned
Speaker 1: at the top of the show. Um, and um, it
Speaker 1: was terrible. It was actually terrible. It was it was
Speaker 1: a it was a it was it was a lack heckmaum.
Speaker 1: I know we just talked about Earth when to fire
Speaker 1: it and Isaac brothers and how much rhythm that they have,
Speaker 1: and this is a lack thereof rhythm. And I was wondering, um,
Speaker 1: with a with a clear eyed view, did you guys
Speaker 1: witness the same thing that I saw? Oh goodness, how
Speaker 1: about this. I would challenge all three of you to
Speaker 1: a dance off and we'll make a TikTok together if
Speaker 1: we have to, because I feel like my moves would
Speaker 1: still be better than both of y'all's. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't do better than that. I'm better. Thank you, Thank you. Rob.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it was good. I'm not saying it was good.
Speaker 1: I still think I think my moves would be better
Speaker 1: than all of yours and I will dance it, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: We'll do it tomorrow. Whenever we film Hit Sticks, we'll
Speaker 1: do it tomorrow. I'm not doing it. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it TikTok tomorrow. It's going to happen, wed N. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yes, what's what's happening? All right?
Speaker 1: We're done talking about TikTok. We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys because we have to, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: talking cowboys, not talking TikTok. But anyways, I had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun filming that TikTok, and we did not
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun watching the Dallas Cowboys in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, especially when it came to the really the circle,
Speaker 1: the revolving door, that was the offensive line, and that
Speaker 1: was the quarterback position. I had a conversation with one
Speaker 1: of our good friends, Jerry Matillon this past weekend, and
Speaker 1: whenever I was talking with g Matt he said his
Speaker 1: favorite teas of mine a year ago was whenever I
Speaker 1: said is Dak Prescott going to be the starting quarterback?
Speaker 1: And everybody kind of looked at me and was like,
Speaker 1: what you kidding me? Well, guess what for all about?
Speaker 1: Five games. Dak Prescott was not the starting quarterback in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So that's what brings me to my next question.
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about the plan that's
Speaker 1: at hand for the Dallas Cowboys. What is the backup
Speaker 1: scenario if things go a rid again? Because right now
Speaker 1: it looks like Garrett Gilbert and then on the offensive
Speaker 1: line it looks like it's Titans Niseki and Terrence Steel
Speaker 1: and Brandon Knight again. So Rob, tell me what is
Speaker 1: the plan for the Cowboys if things don't necessarily go
Speaker 1: to plan like they thought, like it happened in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I think you just said it. You got TRIPLEG in boxing,
Speaker 1: you got double G here if things don't go well
Speaker 1: for Dak for whatever reason. I mean, now, look both.
Speaker 1: I'll qualify that by saying the draft is in a
Speaker 1: month less than a month, and look, there might be
Speaker 1: an option that comes up somewhere in the middle rounds
Speaker 1: later rounds. Same with offensive tackle too. I know we've
Speaker 1: debated offensive tackles. She maybe be a high draft pick,
Speaker 1: but at the quarterback position, I'm interested to see if
Speaker 1: they make a veteran signing. At this point, I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure they will. They've got Garrett Gilbert's set for
Speaker 1: nine hundred and twenty thousand bucks on his twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one contract, and you're looking at some of the guys
Speaker 1: available now in free agency, I don't know if they,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on what they would want to spend,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would find a major upgrade
Speaker 1: behind Dak Prescott this year. So they may do something
Speaker 1: they haven't done for most of the past decade. And
Speaker 1: that's just kind of role with a guy who's relatively unproven. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things I think we learned is having
Speaker 1: a QB one level backup quarterback is a luxury item.
Speaker 1: It really is. And you know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: find out once your main guy goes down, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be stuck with a guy that can't get it
Speaker 1: done because our offense fell off a cliff last year,
Speaker 1: once you know, Dak went down, and you know, when
Speaker 1: you talk about luxury, it was Look. I'm reminded of
Speaker 1: a flight that I took from Dallas to Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and a guy sitting next to me had on a
Speaker 1: Autumnar Piquette Royal Oak, which is a quarter of a
Speaker 1: million dollar watch. That's a luxury, right, especially when you
Speaker 1: could get a watch for five dollars from Walmartin. So
Speaker 1: luxury versus necessity, you know, And right now those things
Speaker 1: are meeting the road for the Dallas Cowboys because we
Speaker 1: don't want to find out, God forbid, if that goes
Speaker 1: down again like he did versus New York That and
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton comes off the bench and we're expecting him
Speaker 1: to Wally Pip dak Isaiah and that doesn't and that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Garret Gilbert, he came in and we found
Speaker 1: out just through necessity what he can do, and I
Speaker 1: think I felt comfortable with going with him. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to find out over the course of eleven
Speaker 1: games or twelve games, that Garret Gilbert is not the
Speaker 1: guy that we thought he was. So bringing in Teddy
Speaker 1: bridge Water, Tyrod Taylor or Jacobe Bissett, who I know
Speaker 1: signed with the Dolphins, but that kind of a player
Speaker 1: that has been there in a backup role and had
Speaker 1: some success. So you know, whether it be in the
Speaker 1: late rounds for the draft like Rob talked about, or
Speaker 1: still combing these NFL rosters and finding the guy we
Speaker 1: need to get that autumn mar Piquette for the Dallas shoot.
Speaker 1: Can we um, Can we talk about the fact that,
Speaker 1: first of all, I've never even heard of this watch?
Speaker 1: The second of all, how that why the heck does
Speaker 1: Heckman know what these watches look like? Is anybody else
Speaker 1: not wondering about this? Can't have money? You can't have money,
Speaker 1: Isaiah ESPN money, ESPN money, Exactly what it is? I
Speaker 1: can't tell me, can't tell him nothing. No, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gree this with my guy heck over there,
Speaker 1: miss fancy watch um. And I believe that if there's
Speaker 1: a guy, if there's a person that, as I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this free agent list over here, if there's a
Speaker 1: person that I would feel confident paying a certain amount
Speaker 1: comfortable amounts, you know, some of the along the lines
Speaker 1: of the Gilbert uh, I would say, I will go
Speaker 1: out and try to grab Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert is
Speaker 1: a size wise, athleticism wise, um arm strength wise. I
Speaker 1: think he's good. Oh and by the way, he just
Speaker 1: spent a year behind TB twelve. So I think if
Speaker 1: there's a person that you can go out and get
Speaker 1: for about a million dollars, that's a guy that I
Speaker 1: would go grab simply because he's healthy. He's healthy, he's
Speaker 1: still athletic, and he has more wizard than he had
Speaker 1: when he was out there at Jacksonville throwing I and ts.
Speaker 1: So I think I would bring him in and have
Speaker 1: him just be the consistent person that you know is
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and experience already, just to be there at just
Speaker 1: in case, so that you're not wasting the extra money
Speaker 1: on guys that hopefully don't touch the field we know
Speaker 1: they're interested in and possibly upgrading that spot. Mike mccarthin
Speaker 1: basically said as much. But it does come down to money,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know, you know, salary cap space.
Speaker 1: It's always kind of a moving target. They've got to
Speaker 1: be up against the cap at this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about they if they got a slot
Speaker 1: eight to ten million bucks for the draft draft class,
Speaker 1: I don't think unless they want to touch another contract
Speaker 1: or two and restructure there, it's tied up against the
Speaker 1: cap right now. And look, they spent three million on
Speaker 1: Dalton last year. That could go up to five and
Speaker 1: you know mentioned Brissette guys, I think he was five
Speaker 1: million signed with Miami. Tyrod Taylor five point five, Mitchell
Speaker 1: Trubisky two point five. You know, Chase McDaniel. I think
Speaker 1: it's not for about one point one the other day
Speaker 1: to go I think to La with a charger, So
Speaker 1: I mean, you go down the list. The guy that
Speaker 1: jumps out to me is Alex Smith, and I know
Speaker 1: he's he's coming off a major injury, and I know
Speaker 1: he's not. He's got injury history too. You're talking about, hey,
Speaker 1: trying to protect yourself with that coming off an injury.
Speaker 1: But as a guy that's done it, you know, and
Speaker 1: been in the league for a long time, he's got
Speaker 1: a history with Mike McCarthy going back to the start
Speaker 1: of his career. I thought he did some good things
Speaker 1: last year for Washington. Again though, money, what do you
Speaker 1: want to spend? And they I think I think heck
Speaker 1: nailed the word. It's luxury. You know, is it a
Speaker 1: luxury this year to spend as much on a backup
Speaker 1: quarterback this year after spending the largest contract in Cowboys
Speaker 1: history on the quarterback position earlier this month last month,
Speaker 1: Pete Pete came, you not a four too, Like it's this,
Speaker 1: that's the question. And I know we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about that when it comes down to the contract. But
Speaker 1: now that we've gotten this done, those health issues are
Speaker 1: still there. I mean, that was a massive injury that
Speaker 1: he had last year, right, and if he's healed from it,
Speaker 1: all of those things he has, he's gonna be your
Speaker 1: starting quarterback no matter what. But if something does happen
Speaker 1: to him, we're not confident. I don't think anyone is
Speaker 1: confident in Garrett Gilbert for whatever stretch of time that
Speaker 1: he'd have to start. And with the culmination of injuries
Speaker 1: that we had in twenty twenty with the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I mean, God, it just makes me sit just thinking
Speaker 1: about it. But if you put the same thing happened
Speaker 1: to Gilbert this year, where you don't have an offensive line,
Speaker 1: the defense is really we're right back to square one
Speaker 1: on that. So I just don't think that you can
Speaker 1: afford to give a discount double check at the quarterback.
Speaker 1: You gotta get a guy that you know is viable
Speaker 1: or you believe him. Well. I want to kind of
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate here a little bit hack up, because
Speaker 1: maybe last year as sure a warning to say you
Speaker 1: would rather have a starting caliber quarterback as your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: That one percent could be the case, but it could
Speaker 1: also go the other way and say, Okay, we had
Speaker 1: a starting caliber backup quarterback and we still went six
Speaker 1: and ten and we still didn't win a ton of
Speaker 1: games without Dak Prescott. So maybe it's one of those
Speaker 1: things of if Dak Prescott's not playing, you may be
Speaker 1: in a hole already to where it is a quote
Speaker 1: unquote luxury and it's something that you don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: to add instead add elsewhere. I think with a backup,
Speaker 1: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm if you
Speaker 1: can tread water and you go five hundred sure with
Speaker 1: your backup quarterback feeling pretty good. That's why Alex Smith jumps.
Speaker 1: I know he's thirty seven, and I know I don't
Speaker 1: even know what if he wants to keep playing, he's
Speaker 1: still out there. They went five and four, Washington did
Speaker 1: with him as as their quarterback last year, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with heck. I think they got to do something,
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I don't think they can spend
Speaker 1: unless they really dip into other money and moving around.
Speaker 1: You know, Eagles spend three and a half million bucks
Speaker 1: on Joe Flacco. I just don't know if they can
Speaker 1: do that this year. Yeah, Isaiah, Yeah, that's that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why I was going with the Blaine train, because
Speaker 1: Blaine last year made what one point he may just
Speaker 1: over a million, Yeah, just over a million. If you're
Speaker 1: saying that we're Gilbert, you know, nine hundred and something,
Speaker 1: we're talking about one hundred thousand dollars difference, and you
Speaker 1: feel a lot better. But with Blaine Gabbert and his
Speaker 1: ability seeing Gary Gilbert, I would hope. And I think
Speaker 1: when you start looking at that backup position, you need
Speaker 1: somebody we found out last year, you need somebody that
Speaker 1: kind of fits the mold of what you already have.
Speaker 1: So you need somebody who at the very least if
Speaker 1: your office a line goes down. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the element that we didn't bring up just a second ago.
Speaker 1: You know, with any Dalton stepan In, he didn't play great,
Speaker 1: but he also didn't have the best situation, and so
Speaker 1: if that situation was to rise again, you need somebody
Speaker 1: who could get out the pocket to make some place
Speaker 1: right at least use their legs. And that's why that's
Speaker 1: why I'm kind of going along with you know, I
Speaker 1: like the tyred Taylors and things like that, but he
Speaker 1: costs too much. So for the price you can get
Speaker 1: you a blame for Amelie. You do that because you know,
Speaker 1: at the very least he can at least throw the
Speaker 1: ball down the field and he at least has an
Speaker 1: athleticism to get out of the pocket. Now I agree
Speaker 1: with that, Isaiah Blank, Gabert, Garrett Gilbert, whoever you go with.
Speaker 1: And I think for Garrett Gilbert, I feel as though
Speaker 1: him being at the foot of Kevin Moore for an
Speaker 1: offseason and you know two of days is going to
Speaker 1: serve him well. So if he is going to be
Speaker 1: the guy that we're gonna go with, we still have
Speaker 1: to remember we have been the Nucci also, and so
Speaker 1: his look he sees so all things, all things being considered,
Speaker 1: we still we have things there. Just you know, trying
Speaker 1: to think of what the front office is thinking with
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback situation is going to be interesting because
Speaker 1: we know what happened when Dak went down, all those
Speaker 1: injuries hit. It was just it wasn't a good situation.
Speaker 1: And you know you do still have Cooper Rush on
Speaker 1: a reserve future contract. Wow, so he's an option. He's
Speaker 1: been the backup before. Let's not forget his name, but
Speaker 1: we if we are we off of the the Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert Pittsburgh game, or if the shine kind of worn
Speaker 1: off on that one, because I thought we all felt like, man,
Speaker 1: that was he went out and bawled a certain degree.
Speaker 1: But now we're kind of like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: looking back, they lost the game. I think we got
Speaker 1: a sample. We got a sample size. We got a
Speaker 1: sample size. I called him, y'all, y'ah Gilbert. I felt good.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had nothing in the cover at that point,
Speaker 1: so I just felt like, come on, man, he looked
Speaker 1: good in the loss, right, Yes, you look good at
Speaker 1: a loss. He made a really good HECMA made a
Speaker 1: really good point earlier when talking about Garrett Gilbert and
Speaker 1: said that we felt good about him in spots scenarios.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna put him out there for seven
Speaker 1: games and teams are gonna have film on him and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be him as the backup quarterback, I don't
Speaker 1: feel the same way. Plus, you're talking about one game
Speaker 1: where there was zero expectation. He was coming off of
Speaker 1: the Danucci game. Yes you serro expectations. Yeah, as long
Speaker 1: as he didn't go out there and just all apart,
Speaker 1: which he didn't. He didn't fall apart, credit to Garret Gilbert,
Speaker 1: but that was the expectation was, Okay, we may have
Speaker 1: another fall apart game against an undefeated Pittsburgh team, and
Speaker 1: he didn't. It was like, Okay, here we go, Garret Gilbert.
Speaker 1: This thing's legit. Like it just wasn't. It wasn't something
Speaker 1: that's representative of what a backup quarterback should be. But
Speaker 1: heck hit on Kellen Moore. Remember they were I think
Speaker 1: in Detroit together for a little bit briefly, so that
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons why I think they were
Speaker 1: comfortable bringing him in good point. Maybe they feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: with an offseason, but I think Mike McCarthy, he's a
Speaker 1: quarterback guy, and I bet you he would like to
Speaker 1: create some more competition there if he could. We'll see
Speaker 1: what they do. I don't think the draft is to me.
Speaker 1: I don't think spending a draft pick on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes sense. But they have ten
Speaker 1: of them, so you never know. Take one of these
Speaker 1: late round guys and add another Dnucci into the factor.
Speaker 1: After taking him in the seventh last year, Tyrod Taylor's available, Yes,
Speaker 1: not available. I went to spo Track says he's in Houston. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right, exactly five point five million dollars. He is
Speaker 1: not available. So I see people in the chat right
Speaker 1: now saying Tyrod Taylor, Yeah, he's not available, so he
Speaker 1: is out of the question. But I think even five
Speaker 1: point five my goodness, that's a lot for a backup. Course.
Speaker 1: I just mentioned him. I just mentioned him as a
Speaker 1: guy that has done it as a backup before. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's yes what I'm saying, And he'll move. He'll be
Speaker 1: the safety net for whatever happens with Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 1: Houston is ultimately what that ends up being. Really quickly, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you also brought up the offensive line, and we've got
Speaker 1: about three or four minutes until we go to break,
Speaker 1: But how are you feeling about the offensive line health?
Speaker 1: How are we feeling about Tyrann Smith and Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: coming back? Because I feel like we're halfway through or
Speaker 1: I guess not halfway through the off season, but we're
Speaker 1: a significant amount through the off season and we're starting
Speaker 1: to look ahead till we get to maybe training camp,
Speaker 1: and if training camp is the same as it was
Speaker 1: last year, then Lyle Collins needs to be ready to go.
Speaker 1: How were feeling about those two guys in the health
Speaker 1: of this offensive line as we head into the remainder
Speaker 1: of the off season. I don't know, Kyle, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen them. I haven't seen those guys well, not even
Speaker 1: just talking about it, not even just specifically on seeing
Speaker 1: them with your own eyes. But based off of last
Speaker 1: year going into this year, is there anything that gives
Speaker 1: you pause about these guys? No, I mean we need them.
Speaker 1: I mean we definitely need them. I feel confident that
Speaker 1: those guys are on the right track to becoming healthy.
Speaker 1: If they're not already healthy, otherwise these guys, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have got their their their contracts moved around. I still
Speaker 1: believe that we need a good amount of competition at
Speaker 1: that position. Competition is good at every position, right, Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just say that that way. We're not going
Speaker 1: down every position saying we need competition. We need a
Speaker 1: competition at every position. Office a line probably more important
Speaker 1: than any other position to have the most competition aside
Speaker 1: from a quarterback, right, just because that is the probably
Speaker 1: the most of the next most important position are your underfield, right,
Speaker 1: you need those guys to protect your your money man,
Speaker 1: which is DAK. So if you have if you're two
Speaker 1: to three deep at every position and everybody's busting their
Speaker 1: busts and every day doesn't matter how much you're getting paid,
Speaker 1: you have to show up and prove yourself. Then that
Speaker 1: that creates a great environment and it's gonna match what
Speaker 1: we're doing on the defense side of the ball. So
Speaker 1: those guys, I think that they will be healthy coming back.
Speaker 1: But again, just like just like we found out last year,
Speaker 1: we need to prepare for the worst. Yeah, preparing for
Speaker 1: the worst, and yeah, preparing for the worst is what
Speaker 1: we what we did last year because of all the
Speaker 1: injuries that we had. The labor for Lyle Collins scares
Speaker 1: me and I hope that he's able to come back
Speaker 1: from it and you know, able to start the season.
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith as well. I think the reputation that he's
Speaker 1: gotten over the last five years is just not being
Speaker 1: able to get through a full season. We know, if
Speaker 1: Hill five games, six games, he's you know, at a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Pro Bowl level every time he plays.
Speaker 1: But that those things, we're not able to rely on
Speaker 1: those and going into twenty twenty one. That's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna need is reliable guys. You know at each position,
Speaker 1: especially with the length of the season being extended, how
Speaker 1: much Tyrann Smith do we get. So when you talk
Speaker 1: about that competition at every level, at every position, you know,
Speaker 1: where do we go there? At the left tackle knowing
Speaker 1: that that's that's the spot we definitely have to protect
Speaker 1: dak In and especially with the money that we've played him.
Speaker 1: So I don't even with Connor Williams and all the
Speaker 1: other positions, be honest, I don't feel comfortable where we
Speaker 1: are right now interior wise with our offensive line. So
Speaker 1: it's definitely something we still have to look at and
Speaker 1: address as well. I think Ni Seki could be an
Speaker 1: upgrade over Kim Irvy if nothing else. Kim Irvy mis
Speaker 1: ten games last year. It's true, and he's known. I
Speaker 1: think he has a reputation as a pretty good spots
Speaker 1: starter filling guy over his career. But to me, Zach Martins,
Speaker 1: your swing tackle really comes down if it were me,
Speaker 1: And maybe they don't want to do that, need they
Speaker 1: they don't want to do that again, But that that's
Speaker 1: why to me, it's like Connor McGovern is the guy
Speaker 1: I've got my eye on in training camp preseason. Could
Speaker 1: he be a guy if they really want to change
Speaker 1: out two spots like they finally decided to do last year.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about him a guard being an
Speaker 1: NFL starter, Because when it comes right down to it,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin playing tackle if you have to, that's the
Speaker 1: best option they've got. And maybe Connor Williams can do
Speaker 1: it too, But Zach Martin has proven he can play
Speaker 1: anywhere in the NFL and play it near a pro
Speaker 1: bowl level. If he's selfie, I feel like if we
Speaker 1: didn't see Connor Williams at playing tackle last year, we
Speaker 1: may never see Connor Williams play tackle. Probably not. And
Speaker 1: I've actually heard you know, if anything, if he were
Speaker 1: to move center might be a spot he could play
Speaker 1: that as well. You know so, But honestly, I thought
Speaker 1: he played pretty well last year. I know he gets
Speaker 1: you know, people get on him for his strength, and
Speaker 1: he gets bull rushed and he gets tossed around at times.
Speaker 1: But you also, Brian brought us always taught me it
Speaker 1: comes down to you got to think of a sixty
Speaker 1: snap game. If he has a couple of bad snaps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could wreck a game, but what do you do
Speaker 1: the other fifty eight? You know? And I thought he
Speaker 1: played pretty well. Um, going into a contract year, this
Speaker 1: would be big for him. It will be big. And
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is one of those guys I thought he
Speaker 1: played well. I know, I might be the only one
Speaker 1: on the show. I don't know, but oh he's borderline.
Speaker 1: That's that's the case. And right now with this offensive line.
Speaker 1: Last year, you didn't need borderline from Connor Williams. You
Speaker 1: needed him to take an extra step and he hasn't.
Speaker 1: And as a second round pick, you're thinking that he's
Speaker 1: gonna take an extra stap as a starter. He never has.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where Connor Williams kind of catches
Speaker 1: his his slack from it is not only because he
Speaker 1: hasn't taken the extra step, but he's been a solid
Speaker 1: average And that's kind of where I think we're all
Speaker 1: looking at. Okay, don't you let Rob no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He gots to know, you know, Pete, you know he
Speaker 1: getting this move man where he's very empathetic and giving everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm not being apathetic. I honestly thought he was all
Speaker 1: right last year. I really did. He was he was
Speaker 1: on the field number. Yeah, well great, we love that
Speaker 1: he was. You can't you'll get credit for that. And
Speaker 1: the most example of bull rush Man they de run
Speaker 1: payin from Washington. Oh my god, just tone on the tape. Man.
Speaker 1: Connor had a He had a rough twenty twenty, as
Speaker 1: we all did. But you know, hey, it's the contract year.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be different this year. He's gonna need it.
Speaker 1: If not, he's gonna get replaced by Rashaan Slater after
Speaker 1: they pick him at ten. He's gonna play left guard.
Speaker 1: That what's happened. Connor Williams will not be either starting line.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just saying everybody, uh, just for just
Speaker 1: for instance though and for numbers. But you mentioned how
Speaker 1: much are we going to see if Tyrant Smith? Of course,
Speaker 1: last year was the only year that he didn't start
Speaker 1: or play and at least thirteen games in his career. However,
Speaker 1: over the last five years he's missed a total of
Speaker 1: at least three games a year, and that would be
Speaker 1: what is this fourteen I'm doing math on the run.
Speaker 1: Twenty six games over the last five years he's missed.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of games. To be missed, and most
Speaker 1: of those, of course coming in twenty twenty. But Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith is far from I think a sure thing, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why Slater is up there
Speaker 1: for me in terms of draft possibilities. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that another time. When we come back here on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, we're gonna wrap things up and talk about
Speaker 1: that draft pick at number ten. What is the front
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Speaker 1: See now he's just he's just rolling us. Now, he's
Speaker 1: just rolling us. Now. That was pretty just come. That
Speaker 1: was plat, That was flat. Look at Isa's face. That's
Speaker 1: all you need to see. Nielsen sound Scan would have
Speaker 1: given me one. Gave me one for that which one
Speaker 1: was worse? He was heck one's read or my TikTok?
Speaker 1: Which one was worse? It was probably Heckma's read. Right,
Speaker 1: Please say, heck TikTok, your TikTok, and there's nothing can
Speaker 1: top that TikTok. Dang it facts, big old fact. Oh good,
Speaker 1: because that was your best. That was your best. He
Speaker 1: purposely not. He's trying to let us down. He's trying
Speaker 1: to tell you, I, well, you've got another chance next week.
Speaker 1: I look forward to this, man, I look forward to
Speaker 1: this every Monday at twelve eighteen, and I just didn't
Speaker 1: get it again. So what I'm looking forward to is
Speaker 1: everyone that's listening to be able to get their copy
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboy Star Magazine draft Guide. If Aaron,
Speaker 1: we could pull up my camera right here, it's really
Speaker 1: pretty right in front. But yeah, it's the draft Guide.
Speaker 1: It should be out this week. If it isn't, just
Speaker 1: email Kurt Daniels. Rob Phillips even had some tight ends
Speaker 1: to talk about. He talked about the defensive tackles as well.
Speaker 1: You had a pretty tough task whenever it came to
Speaker 1: talking about positions, because those are two of some of
Speaker 1: the lighter ones with the exception of Kyle Pitts up
Speaker 1: at the top of the tied end class. But I
Speaker 1: want to talk about our pick at ten, which is
Speaker 1: of course going to be the topic of conversation over
Speaker 1: the next three weeks, and it has been for quite
Speaker 1: some time. But what do we think the front office
Speaker 1: is thinking? Because we can talk about what we want.
Speaker 1: Of course I want Reshawn Slater or Patrick's rten those
Speaker 1: are my two. Kyle Pitts I would be fine with.
Speaker 1: It would be fun, but I don't necessarily want that. However,
Speaker 1: what is this front office thinking, because nobody's really been
Speaker 1: able to get a good read on it, about what
Speaker 1: they may be looking at whenever their pick comes around
Speaker 1: on April twenty nine. Well, I think the goal is
Speaker 1: to take the best player, I truly, especially at ten.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we always talk about best player available.
Speaker 1: And is that a real thing or is that kind
Speaker 1: of a myth? I think at ten you can take
Speaker 1: the best available player and not worry about position needs
Speaker 1: so much. And your goal is by this point you
Speaker 1: filled all the needs you need to fill at least
Speaker 1: to kind of cover yourself before the draft. Now, what's
Speaker 1: up for debate is have they covered themselves at every position?
Speaker 1: And I don't know that they have. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think cornerback, you canners wide open, you can still point
Speaker 1: to that. I think you can still point a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Even though Neil comes in as a potential weak side
Speaker 1: guy for you. To me, there are still positions on
Speaker 1: defense where you're like, they could use another more depth,
Speaker 1: another impact guy more so than offense. But again, you
Speaker 1: get yourself in trouble when you you start reaching for
Speaker 1: a need as opposed to, Hey, I got a top
Speaker 1: ten draft pick, I could find a perennial p perennial
Speaker 1: pro bowler right here. Let's not mess this up, Tea Hook.
Speaker 1: We have, Kyle. We have foundation problems here in the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Foundation got cracks in the foundation. And if you, hey,
Speaker 1: if you live outside of Texas and you're thinking about
Speaker 1: buying a home in Texas, just no, make sure your
Speaker 1: foundation is right, because that's one of the big problems
Speaker 1: that we have in this booming city of Dallas. But
Speaker 1: the foundation, man and offensive line wise, has been the
Speaker 1: foundation of our team for a number of years, and
Speaker 1: now with injuries, that's falling apart and we're trying to
Speaker 1: find some synergy there again, but the defensive line, I
Speaker 1: don't think we ever found anything with our defensive line.
Speaker 1: Even with the many the rotations that we nothing, we
Speaker 1: could not find any impact players. I'm surprised that, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got so much heat about wanting a linebacker at
Speaker 1: pick number ten, where everyone else is trying to go
Speaker 1: to the dB route. I look back at the draft
Speaker 1: last year with Jeff Okuda from Ohio State that went
Speaker 1: to Troy Right, Detroit gets this guy in the third
Speaker 1: round and their defense was at the bottom. Last year.
Speaker 1: They bring in a quarterback and guess where they finished
Speaker 1: last year in the bottom again, back in the bottom.
Speaker 1: So if you don't get a guy that's gonna make
Speaker 1: any impacts, you don't do it through free agency. I
Speaker 1: don't see how you can rebuild this team. And we
Speaker 1: were just talking about the schedule that you're gonna play.
Speaker 1: You're gonna play some teams that have fortified offensive lines
Speaker 1: that can run the ball on you. And what was
Speaker 1: our problem last year stopping the run and getting sacks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Patrick Cutain is going to help
Speaker 1: us within that area. Now, if you want to say
Speaker 1: best player available, fine, I'll go with that, and everybody
Speaker 1: David Helman that's on the Kyle Pitts train. Cool. I
Speaker 1: know the guy is phenomenal, but that doesn't fix the problem.
Speaker 1: That doesn't fix the foundation, and you're gonna have some
Speaker 1: cracks if you go that route. Well, So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: of the mind where when it comes to the draft,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to address I don't address it. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't approach you with it with the mindset
Speaker 1: of let's get the best player. Reason being not in
Speaker 1: a position that the Cowboys are in. The Cowboys, we
Speaker 1: know the ownership wants to win. Now, let's put it
Speaker 1: like that. That's that's facts, right. I don't care what
Speaker 1: anybody wants to say. They want to win right now.
Speaker 1: So the best way to get to the point where
Speaker 1: you can win right now is secure the bag. What
Speaker 1: I mean when I say secure the bag, secure a
Speaker 1: position group, Secure a position group. If you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity where we where's a position where we're closest to
Speaker 1: being just solid. We need one more person where we
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, if we got one more dog
Speaker 1: in there, we can we can be all right, right,
Speaker 1: we can we can put this thing together. And we'll
Speaker 1: be a force to reckon with. You know, we just
Speaker 1: talked about you. Heck, we just alluded to a cornerback.
Speaker 1: I said it in the break name the last time
Speaker 1: you are afraid to throw at throw at two corners? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. Right, So that's not a position
Speaker 1: that I'm just gonna go that. I feel like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have to go acquire right now with
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. When I when if I'm an
Speaker 1: offensive if I'm an offensive player off as a coordinator,
Speaker 1: I fear a solid front seven because that affects my run,
Speaker 1: that affects my ability to pass. So if I have
Speaker 1: ability to go out there and get a linebacker, if
Speaker 1: we can't get at KG right in free agency, then
Speaker 1: we need to go out there and get the dog
Speaker 1: on mad Man Varss. Okay, we need to get him
Speaker 1: six four, two forty five running a forty thirty nine.
Speaker 1: You get him because guess what you have three at
Speaker 1: that point. You have three solid linebackers right that some
Speaker 1: of them still need some coaching, but they're all athletic,
Speaker 1: and they're all big, and they all could run, right.
Speaker 1: So if you get three dogs in there, they are
Speaker 1: young hungry want to run around a hit and their
Speaker 1: athletic is all get out and they have size, and
Speaker 1: you put them behind some of what six seven, three
Speaker 1: and thirty pound defensive linement that you just brought in. Oh,
Speaker 1: you just brought it in a Now you just brought
Speaker 1: up a defensive and from New York. Oh, you're probably
Speaker 1: not done there either. Oh and by the way, Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory is some other guys. Now you're in d law.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about a front seven that can be
Speaker 1: feared by every appointent that you face. And you solidify
Speaker 1: a portion of your team that you feel one hundred
Speaker 1: percent confident with. Now you can go work towards the
Speaker 1: outside and start saying, hey, now this is what we Now,
Speaker 1: we have to make adjustments so that these guys don't
Speaker 1: receive pressure. But when you have gaping holes and you're
Speaker 1: trying to plug one hole over here, and plug a
Speaker 1: hole over here, plug this dog or a gap over here,
Speaker 1: and then worry about the little itty, bidy little pistol
Speaker 1: holes everywhere else, bars I feel better about Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: now than I think I ever have throughout this process,
Speaker 1: just because of the way that he would fit he
Speaker 1: is an off ball linebacker. He's not necessarily going to
Speaker 1: be an immediate impact, but he could be, and I
Speaker 1: would rather And I was thinking about this the other day,
Speaker 1: kind of after we got into our argument last week.
Speaker 1: But would I be okay seeing Michael Parsons on another
Speaker 1: NFC East team? Probably not. I'd be a little upset.
Speaker 1: I'd be a little scared, at least at that point
Speaker 1: saying I want him. I'm still saying if he's probably
Speaker 1: number three on my list, still behind Curtain, because I
Speaker 1: would rather have Treyvon Digs and Curtain and have you're
Speaker 1: talking about solidifying the position. They may not be the
Speaker 1: best duo in the league, but then they're at least
Speaker 1: formidable at the cornerback spot, because that's something that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't had since the early two thousands. Those two
Speaker 1: a bit really good to go. You're afraid? Are you
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question? Are you afraid to
Speaker 1: throw the ball at Diggs? Be honest, no disrespect to him.
Speaker 1: He's learning. Are you afraid to kie? Maybe? But Diggs
Speaker 1: is that's the thing is he's gonna be guy who's
Speaker 1: our best corner right now? Who's our best corner? As yah,
Speaker 1: tell me I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying to
Speaker 1: not address the position. Don't get my comment misconstrued. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying you have an ability. I'm saying you have ability,
Speaker 1: which I think we're starting to feel better about our
Speaker 1: D line. And we know we're not done yet. We
Speaker 1: know we're not done, but we have brought in some
Speaker 1: veterans that are gonna have a mediate impact on his
Speaker 1: defensive line. Yes, I think we all feel good about that.
Speaker 1: The defensive and positions got upgraded, the interior D linement
Speaker 1: already got upgraded, and waitful guys coming back off injury.
Speaker 1: I think our D line is gonna be very competitive. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity now only to have those guys
Speaker 1: up front, but to put three large human beings. These
Speaker 1: aren't three young these aren't three small linebackers. Like the
Speaker 1: smallest of those guys is freaking Jalen Smith. And what's
Speaker 1: Jalen six three two forty two six three to me?
Speaker 1: So you got you got six three six four six
Speaker 1: four two two five two forty five and they can
Speaker 1: running hit and you have a defensive line that's not
Speaker 1: going to allow the officive linement to work up to
Speaker 1: the second level like we saw last year. That will
Speaker 1: be fixed with dan Quinn. Trust that that scares you
Speaker 1: as an offense, as an office quarter I have to
Speaker 1: worry about that every play, not just when I throw
Speaker 1: the ball. I tend to agree with you. You talk
Speaker 1: chicken or egg. You know what's more important the front
Speaker 1: or the or the back end? Yeah, I think pressure
Speaker 1: upfront is is most important. But what what the eg?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, he destroyed That's right. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. That was good stuff. Um So going back
Speaker 1: to that, like I think it's I think front seven
Speaker 1: is probably the most important thing. But cornerbacks a marquee position.
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, you talk about the marquee
Speaker 1: positions in the NFL. It's quarterback, it's left tackle, it's
Speaker 1: edge rusher, and it's corner. So if you think you
Speaker 1: can find like a great cornerback prospect the top ten pick,
Speaker 1: I'm not shying away from that. I mean, I'm with
Speaker 1: Isaiah on solidifying your front seven. But that area of
Speaker 1: the team needs help. It needs it needs depth, it
Speaker 1: needs another guy that can go get the ball. Games.
Speaker 1: You're trying to win games, You're actually trying to get
Speaker 1: guys who are good at their position. You're trying to
Speaker 1: win games or what with what the issues that you
Speaker 1: currently have, and I think solidifying your front seven gets
Speaker 1: you to w's a lot quicker than than some good cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: You got issues everywhere. I mean, I think, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have issues everywhere, but a front seven gets to the quarterback, right, yep.
Speaker 1: A front seven stops the run, right, which we couldn't
Speaker 1: do last year. Which we couldn't do last year. I
Speaker 1: think you're putting in you spend your top ten pick
Speaker 1: on a cornerback, I could still run the ball all
Speaker 1: over you like I did last year. You're putting a
Speaker 1: lot of faith into guys like Brent Urban and of
Speaker 1: course Robert Quinn excuse me, Dan Quinn, which is fine,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, like you're putting a lot of faith into
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, once again, I brought this point
Speaker 1: up already, But last year I had felt better at
Speaker 1: this point about the signings last year with Gerald mccoin
Speaker 1: don Terry Poe before before this year, and right now
Speaker 1: I feel better. I felt better last year at this
Speaker 1: point than I do right now because of these signings.
Speaker 1: I like what Brent Urban brings is a run stuffer.
Speaker 1: I like what Carlos Watkins can bring as a debt
Speaker 1: piece with Tristan Hill and Neville Gallimore who hopefully big,
Speaker 1: hopefully take the next step. But if you're going to
Speaker 1: draft a linebacker, especially an off ball linebacker, he better
Speaker 1: come in and be a dog. And he's an athletic freak,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is. But I don't know if he's ready
Speaker 1: to be a dog right now. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's ready. And I've said that previously. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's that great at his position. I really don't. I
Speaker 1: think he's a great athlete. You're not. I think he's
Speaker 1: a great athlete. Turn off the film, turn it on.
Speaker 1: But all you're asking him to do is come into
Speaker 1: be athletic. That's all you're asking him to do. See that.
Speaker 1: We tried to do that already. What happened with fifty four.
Speaker 1: He can't turn corners. He's supposed to be athletic. He's
Speaker 1: raved about their athletics. Why you get somebody who's no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. He has ability to run and say nothing
Speaker 1: kind about his changing direction doesn't work. A change of
Speaker 1: direction is not running. Changing directions is all about agility,
Speaker 1: agility and speed or two different things. Right. So he
Speaker 1: has the speed, he does not have agility, right, so
Speaker 1: he could run and hit you when he's running side
Speaker 1: to side. Now you give him some help where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do that as much. Now, guess what.
Speaker 1: You just took his responsibilities like this and you hone
Speaker 1: them in. Right, So it's about plugging and playing and
Speaker 1: allowing guys to not have to do as much and
Speaker 1: not bear the weight because obviously some of these guys
Speaker 1: can't bear the weight. So you start bringing it in.
Speaker 1: Guy who are specialists at what they do. Big boys
Speaker 1: run stopper defensive ends. All you do is rush the
Speaker 1: ball and guess is rush the quarterback and guess what? Oh,
Speaker 1: and then you bring it dan Quinn, who guess what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you? And I have a history of
Speaker 1: putting guys in position to take, accelerate and show off
Speaker 1: what their skill sets are and not ask them to
Speaker 1: do anything outside of their abilities. So I do want
Speaker 1: to go back to the question I posed to you earlier, though,
Speaker 1: just really quickly, because you're you're talking about treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and not being scared at Treyvon Diggs. Who is our
Speaker 1: best corner right now on the team for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Who is the number one corner? The answer has to
Speaker 1: be Diggs. Okay, it has to the answer is Digs.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna say Anthony Brown. Jordan Lewis was maybe
Speaker 1: the best down the stretch, but I think I think
Speaker 1: that the ceiling, it's Trayvon Dix. Well Patrick's r. Tan's
Speaker 1: better than Trayvon Dix right now. I mean he would
Speaker 1: step in and be your top corner at this very
Speaker 1: moment if you pick him at ten, Is Michael Parson's
Speaker 1: going to be your best linebacker? I don't know. Which
Speaker 1: is a big question mark. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: necessarily case will start if he's playing. If if you're
Speaker 1: gonna pick a guy at ten, that guy's gonna start,
Speaker 1: no matter what, no matter what position it is, You're
Speaker 1: you're gonna start him. If he can make an impact immediately,
Speaker 1: he couldn't. I think Sir Tam would make just as
Speaker 1: much of an impact, if not more of an impact.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I say best player available and defense,
Speaker 1: I say defense, heck not not pits. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear about Pitts. I want to say, the best
Speaker 1: defensive player of elable if they draft. That's why I
Speaker 1: don't want to dismiss corner. I rs like if if
Speaker 1: they draft but any any position on defense and say
Speaker 1: that's the top guy on our board, we'd love this
Speaker 1: guy can step in and help us. I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's a defensive lineman, linebacker, corner, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1: Let me ask I'm fine. Let me ask this. When
Speaker 1: you look at them around the league, on let's say
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams, do you think that Jalen Ramsey's
Speaker 1: job is easy because he's just a stud cornerback or
Speaker 1: because he has Aaron Donald on the inside because he
Speaker 1: just story because he's a stud cornerback. He was incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is such a thing he was in
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. He hasn't all of a sudden been good
Speaker 1: because he's in LA. How much easier, you know, much,
Speaker 1: how much easier your job is if you're Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: if you have Aaron Donald in the interior. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, like I understand. Yeah, So that's that's with anything. Heck,
Speaker 1: but I mean if any time you have talented people
Speaker 1: around you. Your job's going to be better. If Rob
Speaker 1: was terrible at his job, I wouldn't be as good
Speaker 1: as a host. But good thing Rob's freak that we're good.
Speaker 1: How do you think? How do you think Patrick Satan's
Speaker 1: job is at Alabama plan with But he was still
Speaker 1: better than he was still better than the guy to
Speaker 1: be drafted in the second round last year? Who who
Speaker 1: is automatically your best corner? He was already better than
Speaker 1: that guy, and he's gonna come in and be better
Speaker 1: than Kyle. All I'm gonna say is I know we
Speaker 1: gotta get off the air. You have a you have
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to to make your defense feared
Speaker 1: at at at some point in the game. Right I
Speaker 1: step up to a line of scribation, I can fear you,
Speaker 1: or I can laugh at you and run the ball
Speaker 1: up your freaking throat like I did last year. Your choice,
Speaker 1: your choice. I'm not fearing too young corners. Name the
Speaker 1: last time the league has feared no corner. You're right there.
Speaker 1: That that that's I don't know how good you feel
Speaker 1: about in twenty twenty one, that that depth. Now you're
Speaker 1: looking more at twenty twenty two twenty three, where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: Dix takes a step forward, whoever the corner is they
Speaker 1: draft if they draft one twenty twenty one, not so much.
Speaker 1: Isaiah is looking at Washington. I think I think you're
Speaker 1: looking at their defense being like, let's get some of
Speaker 1: let's get some of that. I'm looking. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: just the history of ball. I mean even my time
Speaker 1: with the Giants when we won the Super Bowl. Our
Speaker 1: corners were good, but they weren't feared. You know who
Speaker 1: was feared the front seven. The senl is feared, right
Speaker 1: also Osi and autumn guys. Those guys are feared. That's
Speaker 1: that's where you're scared of. Oh crap, we gotta do
Speaker 1: with these guys every play. Hey Isaiah, you got foundation
Speaker 1: problems by pool. That's what I think it's. I think
Speaker 1: what makes this debate so fun is because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, no matter who the pick is
Speaker 1: at ten, you're going to be a better football team
Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty one. I think that's what makes
Speaker 1: this fun because we can argue about this all we want,
Speaker 1: but whether the pick is certain or whether it's Parsons,
Speaker 1: whether it's later, we're gonna be excited Pits. I'll even
Speaker 1: throw him in there. We're gonna be excited about that
Speaker 1: pick because he's a top ten player, it's one of
Speaker 1: the top players in the draft class, and he's automatically
Speaker 1: gonna come in and play and start potentially for this team.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why this is such a fun
Speaker 1: debate and it's it gets you riled up. Sure, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, if if Parsons is a pick,
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with it. Let's go. I want him to
Speaker 1: succeed because I want him to be a better player
Speaker 1: than what I think he is now. If certains to
Speaker 1: pick Isaiah Heck, but they're gonna roll if if Pits
Speaker 1: is the pick, then we'll all give Dave Hellman a
Speaker 1: high five in the hallway and we'll keep rolling with it.
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of things that we can look forward
Speaker 1: to whenever the draft comes around on April twenty nine.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it here for us on talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you got an extra five minutes out of us today.
Speaker 1: But for Rob Phillips, for Heck Maharris and Isaiah's stand
Speaker 1: back in Aaron Gonzalez back he studio, I'm Kyle yellman
Speaker 1: saying so long, we'll see a week on Talking Cowboys.
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