1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now? 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: The history podcast It's not Your History Class with me, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: As a history harlot, a Harlot of history, a Harlot 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: for history, a Harlot on behalf of history. These are questions, 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: These are queries, which one is it? Is it all? 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Is it none? It's at least one of them, if 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: not all three. But as the history harlot and a 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: reader of books, I love museums like I love I 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: love a regional museum because that's where the fun stuff is. 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Thing is give me you're weird, you're wacky, 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: you're silly, you're specific, you're intense, you're folklore based, you're 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: oh god, there's so many parts of like human history 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: and society that ends up in museums, and I want 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: to go visit them. Like I have this joke which 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: isn't really a joke because one hundred percent want to 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: do it, and that I want to have my own 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: TV show where I go visit museums and I am 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: very honest and funny about them because like obviously everything 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: in the British Museum is basically stolen like anyway, and 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: it's just me being like, yeah, the neck to this, 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: they stole us to anyway, so on and so forth, 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: and and I want to go like visit all these 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: regional museums, like take me to your regional museum, take 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: me on your walking tours, talk nerdy to me. I 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: fucking love it, right. So in order for me to 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: visit museums, though, they have to exist, which brings me 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: to my next point. And you're thinking, jeez, you've taken 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: this long to get to this one, and yes I have. 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: It's my podcast. I'll do what I want to. If 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: you do not like the jibber jabba, you can leave anyway. 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: So I'm bringing a link down below in the podcast 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: note section for donations for the Burlesque Hall of Fame. 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: So it's basically a museum to the burlesque stars of 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: old effectively and the history of burlesque, and the items 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: and artifacts that are there need to be put into 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: storage until they can find a new premises. Because it 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: is a register charity, it is a museum. And between 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: funding cuts from the husk of a man in charge 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and the lack of tourism due to the husk of 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: a man in charge. They are just down. They are 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: losing money and they cannot afford the running costs. So 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: I am here begging everyone like a dollar, two dollars, 44 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: twenty dollars, dollars seven year old, like three pounds fifty 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: whatever you have, like whatever you have to spare that 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: you can feasibly spare. Like I just think that, you know, 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: it's so easy for certain aspects of history to be 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: dismissed and ignored, and especially when it centers around women, 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: POC and LGBTQ and as such, I think it is 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: our duty to try and protect this, and so I'm 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: donating what I can, so I'll be saying what is 52 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: available this month. I've been sponsoring like girls sports teams 53 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: over here because I'm just like, no more girls in sports, 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: let's do it. So I've been trying to help things 55 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: locally here as well. Some Palista and donations have been 56 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: going out and now now I have sort of this 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: is now my goal for for a little while, because 58 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: I I just think it's important and I would really 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: appreciate if any of you could, you know, give what 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: you can and if you've been listening to like this 61 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: whole series, and you've seen me, you know yap online 62 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that you know that this is actually one of the 63 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: reasons why I decided to actually go into the whole 64 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: burlesque series. There's going to be like extra episodes coming 65 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: out as well. There's going to be more on the 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: patreot On because I was writing them this morning. With 67 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the amount of books that are currently sitting on my 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: kitchen table, like I've been wearing a back support every 69 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: day because I cannot feasibly bend anymore because it's causing 70 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: me too much pain. And I have a package. I 71 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: have a package that is sitting from the US Postal 72 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Services and I am excited to open it, but I'm 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: not allowing myself to open it until I finish all 74 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: of my recording today because it is my treat. I 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but it does a treat 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. I think there's a book in there. Okay, 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: but I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Katie, quite 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: your devil Dabba in fact me, in fact you I well, 79 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: but first we've got to get our source on. Our 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: sources are the Lily Sier papers from America History Museum, 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: b les Queen, Thely Saint Cyr by Larry Gallen. Who 82 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: the hell is Lily Saint Cyr by Michael Adams, Goddess 83 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: of Lovingcarnate by Leslie Zemechis who I'm fairly certain her 84 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: previous name is Goldwyn and she's married as Zemecchus. I 85 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: think that's what's happened. Maybe behind the barley Cue by 86 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: Leslie Zemechis. Mavie distripti Jus by Lily Sincere. We also 87 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: have our old friends Biography dot com and the Smithsonian 88 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: dot Com. I use it incomfortably good. Then let's begin. 89 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: According to her birth certificate, Lily Sincyr was born Marie 90 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: Francis Clerk East on the third of June nineteen seventeen 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Minnesota. I can't help myself. One day, 92 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I will learn that accent one day. So She's born 93 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: to Ben Clerk East At Carpenter and Mariah Recurry Clerk East, 94 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: also known as Maud, who was a seamstress very solid 95 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds professions. She was the youngest of three siblings. 96 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: She had an older brother, William and an older sister Idella, 97 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: and there's like quite a large age gap between her 98 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: and the older two. And unfortunately it's not a bountiful 99 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: time in the clerk eased household. As Ben he gets 100 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: injured on a work site, you know, because held in 101 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: safety in the early twentieth century was it the most 102 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: thorough or existent. So yeah, this injury meant that his 103 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: employment opportunities were limited. And little Marie as she was then, 104 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: grew up living hand to mouth. So they traveled around 105 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot searching for work, going from Minneapolis, Minnesota to 106 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Webster was called to Seattle, Washington, before eventually settling down 107 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: in Pasadena, California in nineteen thirty. She's like thirteen at 108 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: this point. She's been to seventeen different schools over the 109 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: course of her life, and she's finally like in a 110 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: relatively settled location. And so why Pasadena, California. Well, I'm 111 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: glad you asked, because I'll tell you. Big sister Idella 112 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: was living in Pasadena with her husband and their young children. 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: And so the bend are back together. Okay, the family 114 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: are back together, you know, strength and numbers. They're there 115 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: to help and support each other. And Lily, she's moved 116 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: around most of her life, she's never really settling down. 117 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: And now she has like her chance for something solid. 118 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: She's like really excited to put down some roots and 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: spend some like quality time with her sister and her 120 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: little nieces. And so, yeah, she'd moved around a lot, 121 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: but she still had like hobbies and interests, as if 122 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: moving around wouldn't make you have hobbies and interests, you know, 123 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: but she had, you know, a solid school life. She 124 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: had interests. Well. She loved fashion, right, she adored fashioned. 125 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And luckily for young Marie, her mother is a seamstress, 126 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: and so she gets or to teach her how to sew, 127 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: and so she starts making these fancy weegunas for herself, 128 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: and she's sworning about in beautiful dresses that she made. 129 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: So here's a sidebar already, Kerry. Yes, all clothes are handmade. 130 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: I need everyone to understand this. All clothes, every garment 131 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you wear is hand made. It's not magically put together, 132 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: buy a machine. It's not wished upon star. No, a 133 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: person shows that. Whether they use a machine, whether they handstitch, 134 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: it's irrelevant. It's still a person making that garment. Every 135 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: item is handmade. So it's really weird. To me when 136 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: they're like, this shirt is handmade. All shirts are handmade, sir, 137 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: all of them. There's a person working that. It's not right. 138 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: So next time you complain about the price of something, 139 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: think about why your T shirt is costing three bucks. Like, 140 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: if you're paying that amount for a T shirt, like 141 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: that's not even worth the fabric. Imagine what the person 142 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: who's making that is earning. And that's just something that 143 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: we need to consider in this very modern world. And 144 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: I say that as someone who owns a lot of 145 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: second hand clothing, because yeah, learn learning to sew. Like 146 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I'd be a great nineteen fifties housewife. I'd be perfect 147 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: apart from the fact I yap to my but they'd 148 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: give me drugs to sort that out. So it's fine, 149 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: but or a little bottomy. And so like I can sew, 150 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: I can knit, I can weave, I can embroider, I 151 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: can darn. And you're thinking, aren't sewing, darning, and embroidering 152 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm gonna go with. No, I'm gonna 153 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: go no. I'm not great at machine sewing, but I 154 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: can just about put a costume together, not that I've 155 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: done it in years, but I will have to do 156 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: it this Halloween. Anyway, every item of clothing you wear 157 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: is made by a person. Okay. So back to Baby Marie, 158 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: Baby Marie, teenage Marie. So she's in beautiful dresses, she's 159 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: into fashion, and she's finally, you know, feeling comfortable and secure. 160 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: She's fourteen years old and she is being swept off 161 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: her feet by Jimmy Nichols, a mechanical apprentice, and she 162 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: adores being courted and romanced like she's such a huge 163 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: fan of like the motion pictures and of like the 164 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: gossip magazines in the fashion and all that that. Like 165 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: she feels like she's Greta Garble and she's the big 166 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: love interest on the silver screen, and she sees herself 167 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: as the love interest because like she's fourteen. She has 168 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: fantasies as a fourteen year old girl. And she even 169 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: uses Greta Garbo as her style and spro like she 170 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: emulates her. She looks like her, and she tries to 171 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: like emulate her looks and imitates her like me and 172 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: my Kira Knightly face. Listen, we all want to be 173 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the pirate king and pend it like Beckham. Okay, shut up, okay, 174 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: Kara Nightley could still get it though anyway. So she 175 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: is loving her best life. She's settled, she's with her family, 176 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: she's got a boyfriend, and she's feeling really really good 177 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: about her place in life. And then when things are 178 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: just like common up milhouse, she gets the rug pulled 179 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: out from under her feet and it's it's not I mean, 180 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: it's a turning point in her life because her mother 181 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: and sister nudge, they sit her down, and they completely 182 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: flip her world upside down because, as it turns out, 183 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: Maud isn't her biological mother, it's Adella, the woman she 184 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: thought was her sister. This makes Maud her grandmother and 185 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: her nieces Rosemary and Adela. They are her half sisters, 186 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: our sisters, right. I I don't like the half thing. 187 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: My kids have a big sister from a previous relationship 188 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: with her, from their dad, and she's their sister. I 189 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: don't care. I don't I don't care about your halfs 190 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't care it. It means nothing to me, sister or not. 191 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Like if you have a sibling who has a different parent, 192 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: you love your life. You make your own choices about that. 193 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: But as far as I'm concerned, they're all siblings, and 194 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't like that half that's put in front because 195 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it creates a barrier, like it sort 196 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: of makes an other ring out of it. And I 197 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: don't like that because like that girl, she's my family, right, 198 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't care, and I will fight for her, like 199 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: she loves her little brother and sister. She's amazing and 200 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: honestly somehow managed to be one of the most well 201 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: adjusted teenagers I have ever met. And she's also really 202 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: good at pool, like she will beat your ass. But anyway, 203 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: love her ten out of ten. So I don't like 204 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: that half thing. But so she's got two sisters, so Rosemary, 205 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: she ends up becoming Dardy she changed her into Dardy, 206 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: and Adela Ruth she changes her name to Barbara, and 207 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: they go on to have sort of semi careers. I'm 208 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: going to say they go into burlesque and film, and 209 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: I'll probably chat about them more another day, but it's 210 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: just interestingly all kind of ended up there. So there 211 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: are two stories about this, about her birth and the 212 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: situation which ended in her having a falsified birth certificate, 213 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: So which one of these stories is true? I do 214 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: not know. They have similar bones though, and these are 215 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: that her biological father was a Dutchman from South Dakota. 216 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that makes sense to somebody called Edward van Shack, 217 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: a traveling salesman. None of that is surprising to me. 218 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: And the other part is that Maud claimed to have 219 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: given birth to Marie. So the variations either Edward van 220 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: Shack and Idella were married and he skipped out after 221 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: the birth, or they weren't married and he left as 222 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: soon as it was clear that Idella was pregnant, like 223 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: he just got the heck at a dodge. Either way, Maud, 224 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: wanting to protect her daughter's reputation, she ends up staging 225 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: at least part of the pregnancy. You hide Zidela away 226 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: and says, oh, like I had a babe, because yeah, 227 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: her reputation would be ruined. Not the men's, though that 228 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Men are trash, not all men. Some of 229 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: my best friends are men. Okay, you know we're good. 230 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: So this wasn't really that uncommon to do at the time. 231 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Babies were born at home most of the time, not 232 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: always in hospitals, and yet like, it's fairly common practice 233 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: that this would still be happening, and so it wasn't 234 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that hard to turn around to me like, oh, look, 235 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: I've already had other children, here is another one, And 236 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: so it was pretty easy to cover up at the time. 237 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: Plus it was one of the few ways to safely 238 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: protect a young women's reputation, because otherwise a guy would 239 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: be ruined, tannished, sullied by having children out of wood. Luck, 240 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: because of course she created life all by herself. I mean, 241 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: she did just take the feenis on her own. But 242 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: still this, I mean all all to uncommon, but like 243 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean, lucky it was this period because like in 244 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: the States, because if this had happened in Ireland and 245 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: that period, chances are she would have been shucked off 246 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: to a mother and baby home and then in the laundries. 247 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to the Madden Laundry episode, 248 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna suggest you do that because that's harrowing, but 249 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: it's a good one. So by the time that Marie 250 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: finds out, like finds all this out when she sat 251 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: down and told Adella had actually remarried for maybe the 252 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: second time. So Marie, she's born. In nineteen seventeen, Adella 253 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: married Louis Sherman Cornett in nineteen nineteen. They moved to 254 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: Texas and had two children, Betty Lee and Louis, who 255 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: everyone called Jack for some reason. Now, Benny Lee ends 256 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: up in a car accident which permanently scars her face 257 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: and so ends up being like hidden away Louis slash Jack. 258 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: I don't know about him anyway. So this marriage with 259 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: Louis Sherman Cornett doesn't really pan out, and they divorced 260 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty two. Then on May fifth, nineteen twenty three, 261 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: which is like less than a year later, Adela marries 262 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: John Alfred Blackadder, yes Blackadder, and they have two daughters, 263 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Adela Ruth and Rosemary, who would go on to you know, 264 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: semi fame. After this shock to her system, Marie changed 265 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: her name to Marie van Shack. And it's like, was 266 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: she embracing her lineage? Was it an act of rebellion? 267 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: Or was this her trying to find a sense of 268 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: self because everything she knew about her life was wrong? 269 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: So was it sort of embracing was it rebellion? Whom's 270 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: to say? But as she gets older, she gets more 271 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: secretive about her past. In fact, her future husbands, or 272 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: six of them, I believe they would be told that 273 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: her family abandoned her or that they were all dead, 274 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: even though like her sisters are out there performing and 275 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: like marrying off, like toy manufacturers and stuff. Right, so 276 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: her teens, they're still full of dreams and garble. She 277 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: was not the only starlet she idolized. So like in 278 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: her autobiography she says that she had the desire to 279 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: be on the best dress list, or this is my 280 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: favorite part being a gold digger, like Jeane Harlowe and 281 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: Dinner at Eight. That's a film that is one of 282 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: those moving pictures. By the way, Geane Harlow, there are 283 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: so many blonde bombshells that are out there and throughout history, 284 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: throughout movies, and they are everywhere, but people tend to 285 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: focus on like Marlon quite a lot. And I love 286 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: Marlon know and she will be a topic of conversation 287 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: at some point, but not just now. So she just 288 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: she just loves this whole vibe and also good for her, right, right, 289 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: life women in the thirties, I feel like we can 290 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: give them a break, right considering the world was not 291 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: built for them. They are just trying to survive within it. 292 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: And oh, I just I love these sums. So my 293 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: favorite actually, no sidebar, My favorite ever thing about Gene 294 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: Harlowe is like she's at dinner with Margot Asquith. Now 295 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: Margot is spelled m A R g O T right, 296 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: And so they're at dinner and she goes, hey, are 297 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: you the Margaret Esquith? Margaret, she calls her market right, 298 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: and and so Margot responds, now the tea is silent 299 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: like the one in a Harlow. Basically, she was calling 300 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: her a Harlow and that to me is funny. I 301 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: was like, oh, Margot, you saucy minx and famous Margot 302 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: asked with was a bit of a dick. And again 303 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: we will talk about her someday. So Marie super into 304 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: her magazines. She's into fashion and she loves going to 305 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: the Mousion pictures, and inspired by Jean Harlowe, she does 306 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: a home bleach job by mixing look soap flakes with peroxide, ammonia, 307 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: and chlorox. If you have access to all of these 308 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: items at home, please don't do this. Don't do this 309 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: to yourself. I would like for you to keep your scalps. 310 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: So this is what gives her this iconic white blonde look. 311 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: And when she's seventeen. Marie van Shack Toda, you're gonna 312 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: be shocked at this. She's pregnant. She and Jimmy the 313 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Mechanic had been making whoopee knocking boats, doing the horizontal 314 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: dango or the Lindy Hub. I don't know. I was 315 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: trying to make it more American. So this teenage girl 316 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: decides to make the right choice for her, which is 317 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: to have an abortion. And this is a period of 318 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: time where abortion is illegal, meaning that this was an 319 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: off the book's procedure. And here's the thing. You cannot 320 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: ban abortion. You can only ban safe abortions. This means 321 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: no regulation, This means no safety measures. Abortion is healthcare. 322 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: If you don't believe that, you can fuck off. Unsurprisingly, 323 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: after this unregulated and dangerous procedure, she develops an infection 324 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: which risks her life because there were no legal means 325 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: in order for her to get the procedure that she needed. 326 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: So she is in so much pain, like it gets 327 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: to the point where it's excruciating, and so she ends 328 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: up telling Moderny Della that she terminated her pregnancy because 329 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: she needs help, and so she goes to the women 330 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: in her life, her mother and her grandmother for help 331 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: and guidance and hopefully some pain relief. Did they console her? 332 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: Did they hell? Instead, they insulted her, degraded her, and 333 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: told her that she was spoiled merchandise and that finding 334 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: a husband would be nigh impossible. Now, first of all, 335 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: what in the slut shaming? Secondly, adela glasshouses? And thirdly, 336 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: it's fucking barbaric to accuse a woman or girl of 337 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: sullying her reputation because she's no longer a virgin, because 338 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: virginity is a social construct. Otherwise we would have a 339 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: socially accepted, typically universally a greed test for proving male virginity. 340 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: And while we're on the subject, And while we're on 341 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: the subject, isn't that funny that, within the patriarchal, misogynistic system, 342 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: the very thing that devalues women as a man just 343 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: saying So, this whole experience leads Marie to say fuck 344 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: this for a game of soldiers, and she breaks things 345 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: off with Jimmy. She quits school, and she decides to 346 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: live her life her way as Marie van Shack. She 347 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: heads to Hollywood to work as a chorse girl, like 348 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: she had ballet training when she was younger, so she 349 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: had like a little bit of a dance background. So 350 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: she moves to Hollywood, where she meets and marries racer 351 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: Cordy Milne in nineteen thirty seven. He's like a bike 352 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: racer who was from Pasadena, right, so yeah, he was 353 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: like a messenger, like a bike messenger. And then he 354 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: soaped up his bike so we could race it like 355 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: a room room bike, not like a cycling bike. And 356 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: so he does this and he gets like some notoriety 357 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: and they get married. Now they do divorce, like I'm 358 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: gonna warn you now every single one of her marriages 359 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: and it is and divorce. So anyway, lovely sincere, she's 360 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: a chorus girl, like just living her life performing and 361 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: when she's twenty three, her younger sisters Rosemary and Adela 362 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: with they have an audition at the Florentine Gardens and 363 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: so she's to accompany them. So she brings them in 364 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, it's actually Marie who gets hired 365 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: instead of the girls. When she's working at the Florentine Gardens, 366 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: she meets husband number two, Richard Hubert, and they get 367 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: married in nineteen forty one, and so she's at the 368 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: Florentine Gardens for two years before moving to San Francisco, 369 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: where she dances at the music Box Theater as a 370 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: chorus girl for twenty seven dollars and fifty cents a 371 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: week and in today's money that is six hundred and 372 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: four dollars and thirty four cents. Kiz I looked it up, 373 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: but she cotton down fairly quickly that the featured dancers 374 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: made the big bucks, and at the music Box Theater 375 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: they were earning up to five hundred dollars per week. 376 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: That is ten thousand, hundred and eighty eight dollars and 377 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: three cents in today's money. Again, I looked it up. 378 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: The only catch was that the featured dancers in burlesque 379 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: theaters were required to perform topless or even nude. And 380 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: she's like, what shows some nips for ten grand a week? 381 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: Has that? And Telly Hoe like she had posed topless before, 382 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: so like a few years earlier, like she modeled for 383 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: a friend, and she was like, oh yeah, bibbs, I 384 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: love bibbs. Everybody loves boobs, and like this is round 385 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: about the time she starts using the stage name Lily 386 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: Saints Cyr. Now I have heard three theories as to 387 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: why she chose this name specifically. The first, which is 388 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: my least favorite, is that there was a patron, a 389 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: man who was like adoring of her, and his surname 390 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: was Saint Cyr and she went, I like that, I'm 391 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna use it. I'm like, hmm, okay, that's fine. The 392 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: other number two is that it's like a play on words, 393 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: like it's meant to sound like sincere, like I'm so sincere, 394 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: oh and behind mysterytoor number three, my favorite is that 395 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: it's a shortened version of Saint Sirius, the child sat 396 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: who was martyred, because there's a lot to unpack there, 397 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: and it feels like this would be the kind of 398 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: thing she would do, because it's it's that funny to 399 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: me where she's like, well, you want to know where 400 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: my name came from? Ha, you got this? Maybe she 401 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: just thought it sounded cool. I don't know, so Lily. 402 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: She begs for a solo performance at the Music Box 403 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: and the producer Ivan Fanva like he is like he 404 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: just thinks she's gorgeous and stunning and he's just wowed 405 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: by her like charm and beauty, and he decides to 406 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: give her a go. He's like, you're stunning, absolutely and 407 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Lily Sincere right, she's she is absolutely gorgeous. She's five 408 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: foot nine, she's got legs for days, she's got white 409 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: blonde hair, those fluttery bedroom eyes. And if you're thinking, 410 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, this sounds vaguely familiar, like she has all 411 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: the curbs in all the right places, right as some 412 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: might say. And here's the thing. The legend goes that 413 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: Norma Jean based her Marlon Monroe look on her, like 414 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: she even had that sort of breathy voice, hippie bathie 415 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: c you so like it's supposed to be like emulating 416 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: Lily Sincere. That is the legend. So anyway, like the 417 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: first time you do anything, it wasn't great. Her first 418 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: performance was I believe the term is unmitigated disaster. Like 419 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: the audience was unimpressed, would be a gentle way to 420 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: put it. They hated it. It did not go well. 421 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: It was just like, sure, I can get naked on stage. Yeah, 422 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: you gotta do it with some pinache. You've got to 423 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: have like a thing, you know. It's not just this 424 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: is where I think is really interesting, where people don't 425 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: understand that it's stripping, Like, even if you take out 426 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: the burlesque aspect, the art of taking off your clothes 427 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: and not looking like an idiot doing it is an 428 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: actual skill. Also, pole dancers, I do not have that 429 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: level of core muscle in my body. I think one 430 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: time I was able to flip myself upside down on 431 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: a pole. Other than that, I don't have that level 432 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: of strength in me. I wish I did, But I 433 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: also have no rhythm. So if I was doing burlensque, 434 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: I would be focusing on the comedy side of it. Well, 435 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: also hilariously getting into my birth anyway, could you imagine? 436 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: Could you imagine? Could you imagine I fight it? Could 437 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: you could? I? Could? I? Anyway? So the audience just 438 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: it was bad. It was a bad show. It was 439 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: a bad, terrible thing. And so Finova he's like, I 440 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: gotta give you a second chance, you know, which is 441 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: wild because they don't do that. But he's like so 442 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: besorted with her, and he just sees something there and 443 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: so he helps her like create an act, and she 444 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: starts off with this biblical number because of course it is, 445 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: it's always a biblical number. And she's got two other 446 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: dancers because safety and numbers because you know, one of 447 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: them buggers up, there's always another one there to help. 448 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: So she's there. It's like Adam Eve and the Serpent. 449 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: She's even this scenario. So she's wearing this knee length 450 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: white blonde wig and a G string because she has 451 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: to have something, you know, and at the end of 452 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: the act, right, so the G string she's wearing again, 453 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: she's wearing this knee length wig, so it's covering her boobs, 454 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: it's covering all the bits. It's like he hate sneaky 455 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: snaky because they had weird. I'm gonna go with public 456 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: decency laws. So like you couldn't get like in the 457 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: full nip at this point, like it was it something 458 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: you could technically do, and so and so she's got 459 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: the G string on and it is attached to a 460 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: fishing line and like on a like fishing rod, and 461 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: there's a stage hand at the side of the stage. 462 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: It's what would happen is as the lights would turn 463 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: out right at the end of her act, the G 464 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: string would fly off her body and into the balcony 465 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: like in this be just as the stage lights go down, 466 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: so technically not showing anything people want to see. It, 467 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: and so it's tantalizing and teasing and it's just a 468 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: very very smart move altogether. And so this like becomes 469 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: her signature. It's like a gimmick. And like today today 470 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: this is still used because it's like a world famous 471 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: strip tease gimmick. It's called the flying gee, and yeah, 472 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: people will still do it today, which is I love that. 473 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: I love that. Like I saw I saw an amazing 474 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna sound so pretentious. I saw an amazing Burlass 475 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: performer when I was in Prag and they were doing 476 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: like a Josephine Josephine Baker set, and I actually follow 477 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: her on Instagram because I thought she was so amazing 478 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: and she has that same like joy and like just 479 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: comedy in the whole routine, and I love I love 480 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: her so much. Anyway, so yes, where was I now? 481 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: My mom bought me tickets. Actually, I want to say 482 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: my mom took me triber lesque show in Prague because 483 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: we were over there to celebrate my birthday. So anyway, 484 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: oh that's like ten years ago. I think, oh my goodness, 485 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: about no less eight eight years ago, because my daughter's nine. 486 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: That's how I know. I count time now in the 487 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: last decade. I'm like, how old is was my child 488 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: when the thing happened? And then I work backwards from there. 489 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: I completely miss my point. My point was that classic 490 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: routines are still being performed to this day, and I 491 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: think it's wonderful that we still get to see art 492 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: and performance and that it's not lost to the sands 493 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: of time, you know, send me to museums. Sorry to 494 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: everyone listening on headphones. I did try and pull myself 495 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: back so that you didn't get my film Miss Piggy 496 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: like shriek there, I know I do a fairly decent 497 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy. I fresh. I think at this point I 498 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: just need my Kermit honestly, though Kermet could still get 499 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: it for a puppet fuck me sideways. I got to 500 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: stop doing this. So Lily Saint Cyre is a quick learner, 501 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: and she becomes a sensation, a hit, a somewhat notorious celebrity, 502 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: hearing all over America and the world. So shocker. She 503 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: got married again, this time to actor, dancer, vaudeville performer 504 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: Paul Valentine also known as Van Valentov. I don't know, 505 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: there's so many names. So they were together from nineteen 506 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: forty six to nineteen forty nine, and he had previously 507 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: been in a relationship with. 508 00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: Sally Rand the fan dancer, right, so occasionally he actually 509 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: performed with Lily on stage like opposite her, because you know, 510 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 2: he's a vaudeville man. 511 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take a moment to just remind everyone 512 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: that Donald O'Connor is the reason I love comedians. That's 513 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: why I'm attracted to comedians. God damn it, funny men. 514 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: I blame Donald O'Connor, but he could also bust a move, 515 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: so love him anyway. Lily's career is booming. She has 516 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: a seven year headlining gig at the Gaiety Theater in 517 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: Monterey Hall and in the Sunset Strip in Vegas, like 518 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: which is like still at infansation. She has shows there 519 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: and fun fact, Lily Saints here is often credited as 520 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: being the person persona who popularized strip teas in Las Vegas. 521 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: She's credited with it. Now, as we go through this series, 522 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: we will find out if that is the case. Sorry, 523 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: I couldn't think of any other sound to make at 524 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: that point. I feel like I've been more unhinged on 525 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: this episode than I have been in a while. I'd 526 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: like to apologize, but I don't want to, so like 527 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: she's making bank back then, and unsurprisingly, men were clambering 528 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: for her attention and they wanted to sit with her 529 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: in between shows, and her assistant told them that if 530 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: they wanted to do so, that Miss Saint Clair was 531 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: only available if champagne was purchased. So like in these clubs, 532 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: in these like when they're little tables, man after man 533 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: would have a bottle of champagne at their table, and 534 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: so Lily would saunter through the audience and sometimes whips 535 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: knock over a champagne bottle, after which each gushing fellow 536 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: would be more than happy to replace. Because if there 537 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: was no champagne, Loally Sincere would not be sitting with you. 538 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: And so this is where miss Sincere would earn an 539 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: extra buck or two because she would split the profits 540 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: with the venue, you know, over like the champagne that 541 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: was sold, so she would get a cut of that. 542 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: So every time she knocked a bottle, the bottle would 543 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: have to be replaced, so that's still more money going 544 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: to the bar, right, And I just love it. She's 545 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: like champagne profits. I love it. It's just like girl 546 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: has her champagne profits and I love that for her. 547 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: And like, my favorite thing is that she charged men 548 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: for dates, which honestly, go Lily, make it worth your time. 549 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: So like she would charge for like dates for like 550 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: lunchtime dates, dinner dates, and even breakfast dates, but a 551 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: breakfast date was the most expensive because Lily was not 552 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: a fan of mornings, like not super into them at all, 553 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Like yeah, she was not. She was not an early 554 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: riser by choice. So she does end up marrying again, 555 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: this time to restauranteur Armando Orsini in nineteen fifty, but 556 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: it didn't last because she was too self sufficient. I 557 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: this is like such a little irony. Is like she 558 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: always dreamed of being a gold digger like Jean Harlowe 559 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: and Dinner at eight, but in reality she was the 560 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: breadwinner and she financially supported her spouses most of the time. 561 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: Like I mean, granted, she did have a whole host 562 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: of affairs, like like is it Jimmy Jimmy Orlando like 563 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: in Montreal was like one of her like big lovers. 564 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: There was a rumor that she even shagged Ronald Reagan, 565 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: which before he was president obviously, but he was still 566 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, Ronald Reagan and therefore a bit of a deck. 567 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: But again, women in the past doing what they can. 568 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: So she like lived her life as she pleased. She 569 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed performing, she enjoyed the attention and the adoration and 570 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: the money because good for her. And over the years 571 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: she created acts like the Bally Dancer or the Wolf 572 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: Women Jungle Goddess, which involved simulated sex scene with the parrot. 573 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: So I'm told. So she had like an array of props, 574 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: elaborate sets and costumes. Now I would be doing a 575 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: disservice if I didn't mention that many of her acts 576 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: they had imperialist, colonialist themes. So she had like a 577 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: Cleopatra act. She had other acts. I can't even remember 578 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: them all now, Okay, I have it. I have it 579 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: written down here. I knew I had a list. I've 580 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: got in a Persian Haram, I've got the Chinese Virgin, okay, 581 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: and I've got Cleopatra. Now, Cleopatra is the only one 582 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: where I think you kind of have a little bit 583 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: of leeway with there, because she's Greek, you know, which 584 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: is spicy white, I guess, like you know, white with 585 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: olive oil maybe and herbs Cleopatra is like Macedonian Greek, 586 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: so that's sort of on the whiteness scale, which makes 587 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: her like the only option where you can goin of 588 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: go maybe maybe, I say, with great terror, gripping my 589 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: white heart. Right, So here's the thing, like appropriation comes 590 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: from It just stems from colonialism and imperialism, because there's 591 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: this belief that you should have open access to other 592 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: people's cultures and you have the right to take it 593 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: when we fucking don't. And I say that as somebody 594 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: who is the human equivalent of a mayonnaise sandwich. I'm 595 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: so fucking white. I mean, there's some other ingredients in 596 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: the recipe there, but we don't get to do that. 597 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: We've stolen enough of their shit. Like empires have destroyed countries, nations, 598 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: like societies, and we took the pretty things that we 599 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: liked and then we claimed them as our own and 600 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: then acted like we were, you know, celebrating it when 601 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: you unicked it and now you're wearing it, Like, no, 602 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: don't do that. But I am going off on a rant. 603 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: But like, here's the thing. We need to understand and 604 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: accept that the past is going to have some dark parts, 605 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: and even in the people that we admire in respect. 606 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: And again, just because you're critiquing something doesn't mean you 607 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: don't love it. And you can appreciate the beauty and 608 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 1: the art, but you have to see the full picture 609 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: and not just the part that you want to see, 610 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,439 Speaker 1: you know, like I never want to see a white 611 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: person doing Josephine Baker's savage dance. Like no, I will 612 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: find rotten fruit to pelt at you. I will find you, 613 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: and I will hunt you down because you know better 614 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: at this point, that's not for you, Lily. Sincere becomes 615 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: known as Montreal's femme fatale and her act had Quebec's 616 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: clergy foaming at the mouth. They condemned her performance, stating 617 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: that whenever she danced, the Therda is made to stink 618 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: with the voul odor of sexual frenzy. This sentiment was 619 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: echoed by the Public Morality Committee. The Public Morality Committee says, no, 620 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: that's how you know it's good. She gets arrested and 621 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: charged with behavior that was immoral, obscure, and indecent. Now 622 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: she was acquitted because they didn't actually have that much 623 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: evidence on her. However, the authorities did eventually close down 624 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: the gaiety theater. So this wasn't her only time like 625 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: being arrested or having a run in or having to 626 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 1: go to court, because in nineteen forty seven, Lily Sincere 627 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: was performing her bathtub routine at Ciro's chiros Kiros I 628 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna go with CEO's nightclub in Hollywood, 629 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: and she was billed as the anatomic bomb and of 630 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: course because ah like we love a pun here and 631 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: she gets arrested because a customer thought her act was 632 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: lud a lud act. So when she goes to court 633 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: with one of her husbands by her side, one of them, 634 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, she insists that her act is elegant and 635 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: refined and not lud or egregious. She explains the act 636 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: and then she performs it for the jury like fully dressed, 637 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: of course, for the sake of decency after all. So 638 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: the act goes like this. She's on stage and she 639 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: has a maid. She slips off her dress and she 640 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: has undergarments on. She tries on a hat and she 641 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: removes the hat. She removes one of her brasiers because 642 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: she wearing too. She has a sort of pink mesh 643 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: one on underneath, and so she removes one brassire and 644 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: slips into a black neglige. She then moves behind her maid, 645 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: sort of hiding behind her and discreetly gets undressed, and 646 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: then she steps into a bubble bath, and so she's 647 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: sort of playing around in bubbles and splashing about and 648 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: then emerges from the tub basically fully dressed for a 649 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: night on the town, and like that's the act. So 650 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: she kind of goes from being dressed to undressed to 651 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: being dressed again, and so after a mere eighty minutes 652 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: of deliberation, the jury ecquits Lily Saints here skip forward 653 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: now to nineteen fifty five and Lily Marri's actor Ted Jordan. 654 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: This marriage lasts like four years before they called it, 655 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: and the year they divorced is also the same year 656 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: that she marries special effects man Joseph Albert Somar, and 657 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: this marriage ends in nineteen sixty four, So like each 658 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: of her marriages, they sort of last like a little 659 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,919 Speaker 1: bit longer each time. But yeah, so let's talk about 660 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: her filmography for wee second. So she ends up being 661 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: in those motion pictures, So she's in Strip Rama, Varieties 662 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 1: and Teas Orama, all made by Irving Klaw in the 663 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: early fifties, but like her first appearance in a feature film, 664 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,919 Speaker 1: which was officially condemned by the Catholic Legion of Decency right, 665 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: her first avereance her acting debut is in Son of 666 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: Sindbad in nineteen fifty three, and this was thanks to 667 00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: entrepreneur tycoon and wirdo Howard Hughes. Listen, if you keep 668 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,879 Speaker 1: Charles of p under your bed, I'm allowed to call 669 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: you a weirdo. That's just how it is. So anyway, 670 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,359 Speaker 1: Hollywood was not a calling for Lily Sincere. And like 671 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: even the funny thing about her being in this because 672 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: of Howard Hughes, like she didn't actually meet him, Like 673 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: there is no record of them ever meeting, but she 674 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: met with a man on his behalf and his name 675 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: was like Howard Kane, and so everything was done through them, 676 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: and they sort of kind of started having a relationship 677 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: and then he left her or he just kind of 678 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: disappeared one day more than anything else. And yeah, this 679 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: left her fairly distraught. So I'm gonna get you ake, Okay, 680 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,479 Speaker 1: trigger warning, content warning. I'm gonna suggest you skip forward 681 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: about fifteen seconds if you have any issues regarding ending 682 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: of life and suicide attempts. Okay, so Lily said, he 683 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: was a big taker of sleeping pills, like everybody in Hollywood, 684 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain was on sleeping pills at that point 685 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: because they just prescribed like jubjibs, you know, And so 686 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: she was on them. And after Caine disappeared, she ends 687 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: up swallowing a bunch and tries to end her own life, 688 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: and she woke up like a couple days later. She 689 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: was just out for several days, but she did manage 690 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: to survive. But this would happen a few times throughout 691 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: her life where when someone would leave her, or relationship 692 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: would end, or things just felt hard, she would have attempts, 693 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: but she didn't succeed in any of them. So Hollywood 694 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: wasn't really calling for Lily sincere like she preferred having 695 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: control over her acts herself and in nightclubs and theaters, 696 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: like she was the boss. She could choose, you know, 697 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: what costumes to wear, what prop to use, what music 698 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: she was going to use in her act, how she 699 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: was going to do it, what length it was going 700 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: to be, Like she had control and power over that, 701 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: and she didn't have to answer to studio execs or 702 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 1: even get up early in the morning, because she fucking 703 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: heired getting up early in the morning. Again, not a 704 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,760 Speaker 1: fan of a breakfast date. And she built this career 705 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: on being beautiful and aloft. I mean, of course she 706 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: was more than that, because women are people too. I 707 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you knew that, but that's a thing. 708 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: But yes, she built this image of who she was, 709 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: and she gave the tabloids a field day, like gossip 710 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: columns were awash with rumors of love affairs with everyone 711 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: again like Ronald Reagan, mafia men, actors, actresses, and even 712 00:50:54,040 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe herself. Like what I love especially about Lily 713 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: Sincere is how open she was about not wanting children, 714 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: like she often told the press that she had no 715 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: desire to procreate, and like, honestly, good for her, right, 716 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: And here's the thing after that back alley abortion. Anyway, 717 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: there is no guarantee that she could, you know, get 718 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: pregnant again, Like there's no information regarding any more pregnancies 719 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: in her life, so maybe, but either way, it's not 720 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: something she wanted or desired, and yeah, good for her. 721 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: By the nineteen sixties, burlesque is sort of peteering away 722 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: and Lily is aging, as we all do. Like the 723 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: only thing that stops the aging process is death, so 724 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: good luck with that. Going old was difficult for her 725 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: because she had constructed this image of herself, this stunning, 726 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,399 Speaker 1: untouchable sex symbol, and the world couldn't see that as 727 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: beautiful at that time. The idea of beauty is so twisted, 728 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm fucking sick of seeing all these women 729 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: with the same face, Like no, Like it's the wonderful 730 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: thing about watching a movie from even the nineties or 731 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: the mid two thousands, like that's not that long ago, 732 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: but even that far where you can see people have 733 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,879 Speaker 1: different face shapes and different lips, and not everybody has 734 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 1: extra five hundred eyelashes stuck on in the same eyebrows. 735 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,879 Speaker 1: And I just like, listen, if you want to look 736 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: how you look like, I get botox because my natural 737 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: default state is frowning. But if you feel like you 738 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: want to change something about yourself, I believe in you 739 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: and have faith in you. But I think a lot 740 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: of people are more stunning and gorgeous and beautiful than 741 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,280 Speaker 1: they think they are. And this goes for everybody, men, women, 742 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: non boundary gender, fluid, gender, non conformist. They there intersex. 743 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 1: I almost forgot what intersex was there and almost said intermission, 744 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, but yes, like everyone, like people don't see 745 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,720 Speaker 1: the beauty in themselves, and I think it's a shame. 746 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 1: Like I have friends who are all over the spectrums 747 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: and yeah, they're all hot. I'm sorry, Oh, my friends 748 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: are hot. That's just how it is. So the aging 749 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: process was not kind to people in the past, and 750 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: even now we're sort of struggling to understand that beauty 751 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 1: isn't just like frozen in time at sixteen years old, 752 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,879 Speaker 1: because that's a child. But we grow, we evolve, and 753 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're still hot? Do I need to point 754 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: out Hell and Mirror and for everyone to understand what 755 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Like Hell and Mirror is still smoking hot. 756 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says smoking hot. And if 757 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: I may add, because I will always reference Murder, she wrote, 758 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 1: whenever I can. In the pilot episode of Murder, she wrote, 759 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 1: she is fifty nine years old. The character is fifty 760 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: nine years old, and she has all of these men 761 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: who are hot for her. Like, it's amazing throughout the 762 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 1: first season how many men are just fucking hell over 763 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: heels for Jessica Fletcher, and she's fifty nine, and she 764 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 1: looks fifty nine, you know, and again good for her. 765 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: Back to Lily. In the mid sixties, she meets a 766 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: man seventeen years her junior who had served as a 767 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 1: paratrooper near the end of the Korean War, Donald Andrew Markik. 768 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: He wanted to be a magician, so Lily decides to 769 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,360 Speaker 1: help him. He changes his name to Lorenzo Holmes, like 770 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: that is what's his name? With the magical Lorenzo and 771 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: his family disown him and kick him out of the house, 772 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,800 Speaker 1: and so he ends up moving in with Lily Sincere 773 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,240 Speaker 1: and they never marry, but she would often introduce herself 774 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,879 Speaker 1: as Missus Holmes and they would be together for the 775 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: final like thirty years of her life. At the age 776 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 1: of fifty three, she retires from the stage and starts 777 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:21,800 Speaker 1: a new venture, a very successful venture, a lingerie store 778 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: on Hollywood Boulevard called the Undie World of Lily Sincere. 779 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,240 Speaker 1: And so I have some fun facts about this, because 780 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: of course I do. If I have a fact about Laingerie, 781 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: you're all gonna hear it. So the Rocky Horror Picture Show, 782 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: the whole like n sequence, the don't dream it, don't 783 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: be a rose tied to my world and wild and 784 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: untamed thing. Right that whole sequence, they are all wearing 785 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 1: garments from the undie world of Lily Sincere, and like 786 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,800 Speaker 1: even the final line of the song goes like Susan 787 00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: Sarandon is Janet Vice and she's like godless Lily saintcy 788 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: like and there's more, have more. So this is nineteen 789 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: seventy five, so skip forward like less than a decade later, 790 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one Elevira. She gets her like look because 791 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: she is wearing a Lily Sincere plunge bra and that's 792 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: where the big like push up boobs come from, and 793 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,880 Speaker 1: so like, she has continued to influence like pop culture, 794 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: like that's the like Lily Sincere has managed to transcend 795 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: into like modern movies and television with like her whole 796 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: lingerie store. So it continues, and so like in her 797 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,360 Speaker 1: later years she becomes a recluse and like she's still 798 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: with Lorenzo, who I think is going back to being 799 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: called Donald at this point, and according to her sister, 800 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:02,879 Speaker 1: I think it's Barbara Donald was a drug dealer. Like Lily, 801 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: She's already on her sleeping pills like again like half 802 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: a Hollywood and in the final thirty years of her life, 803 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,439 Speaker 1: like she becomes a shut in, and like he's he's 804 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 1: got her hooked on heroin allegedly, and so she's like 805 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: in this cramped dingy apartment, she's hooked on heroin, and 806 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,520 Speaker 1: she's got magazine papers taped to the windows to keep 807 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: out the light. And up until the end, Lily Saint 808 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,439 Speaker 1: Cyr was always proud of her life. She was never 809 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: ashamed of her career. She was never ashamed of being 810 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: a purveyor of pleasure, like she was proud of burlesque, 811 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: as she should be. And on the twenty ninth of 812 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: January nineteen ninety nine, Lily Saint Cyr passed away from 813 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 1: heart failure at the age of eighty one. I like 814 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: she came from nothing and became a star, and she 815 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: was her own woman and showed that burlesque is art 816 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: and Lily sincere she was an icon. Like the end 817 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: of the day, she was, and I think she deserves 818 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: to be remembered. And so ends our story on the 819 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: life of Lily Saints Her. If you like this my 820 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: retelling of the story, including my rants, feel free to 821 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: wait in review five stars. If you didn't like it, 822 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything. Shut up. I'm not 823 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: interested in your criticism at this time. So that is that. 824 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,640 Speaker 1: Donate if you can to the Burlet's Call of Fame. 825 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 1: I would greatly appreciate that you can find me on 826 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: all of the socials. I am everywhere, apparently most places. 827 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: I am most places. Am I active in most places? Maybe? 828 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: But I'm there, so you can always like contact me 829 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: through that if there's anything you want to tell me 830 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,479 Speaker 1: that it's like bigger information. There is a contact form 831 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: on my website. And yeah, thank you so much. And 832 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: I think it's time for recommendation. Recommendation, time for listening, 833 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: watching and reading. You know what I was watching. I 834 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: started watching. I watched the entirety of Wednesday. I watched 835 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 1: it all, and I've decided that the second half of 836 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: the second season was much better than the first half, 837 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,919 Speaker 1: but it still needed a lot of work, to be honest. 838 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 1: So obviously that is not going to be my recommendation 839 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: for watching. I think you should all watch the Rocky 840 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,320 Speaker 1: Horror Picture Show. I don't care if it's the original version. 841 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't care if you watch the Slime tutorial on 842 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 1: YouTube or the Annivi nursery editions. It's amazing. Go watch 843 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: it and feel free to sing along in the comfort 844 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 1: of your own home. I can't stop you. Right for reading, 845 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna recommend Goddess of Love Incarnate by Leslie Zemeckis. Like, 846 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 1: read that book. It is an amazing book. And for 847 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 1: lessening Sabrina Carpenter. Just listen to Sabrina Carpenter. I've decided 848 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,360 Speaker 1: because her VMA performance was amazing, so I think everybody 849 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 1: should enjoy that. And with that I will bid you 850 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 1: adiew Arios au Revoir of way does them my friends, 851 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:38,440 Speaker 1: BIBB