WEBVTT - Ep. 237: A Face No Longer Attached 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You Can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 Predict Anything presented by on x Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.640 app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:37.040 you stand with on x so cal You. I know 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.440 people have been anxiously awaiting any sort of news on 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.199 you're theft. Yeah, when you're recovering all your things that 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:51.080 were stolen from your house, when you uh, very judiciously 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.400 or or you know the opposite of that, didn't shoot 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.520 the people as as they stole your stuff, but you 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:05.240 recover some of it. It turned up, yes, Cal's stolen goods. Yeah. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.160 And and folks out there, if you've been anxiously waiting 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.160 for news of this, you were doing a lot better 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.960 than I was. I'd just fully given up on anything, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.160 but I got a couple of things happened. I got 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.080 a letter from the credit bureau letting me know that 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.119 I had been turned down for a Victoria's Secret Pink 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.200 credit card due to um my credit being frozen, which 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.880 is something I did uh to prevent any sort of 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.680 theft because personal information. Not understand what you're talking about. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.560 So a bunch of my personal information was stolen. Right. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.640 So I was trying to refinance my place and get 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.440 all my taxes done and I was just laying out 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.640 and they just scooped that whole package up took off 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.400 with it. Oh and then they, masquerading as you, tried 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.960 to get a Victoria's Secret Pink credit card. Correct. I 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.760 don't know there was such a thing. Neither did. All 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.520 the benefits were great. Um, and uh, so that was 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.680 one thing that happened. And then so I called Boseman 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.520 p D And said, hey, that's going on. And then uh, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.880 a little while later or several months later, this all 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:20.080 happened back in March. Um July fourth weekend. Um, I guess. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.800 The Monday after July fourth weekend, I get a phone 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.079 call from a bank in Billings, Montana, saying, hey, we 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.800 have your passport here. Did you try to cash your 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:37.160 check on Friday? I was like nope, and they're like, yeah, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.959 we thought it was a little suspicious. And when we 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.239 said it was suspicious, the folks trying to cash the 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:47.959 check through the drive through just took off. I was like, okay, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:52.240 and your passport laying there they checks, No, they had, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.920 so they had forged a check from a local gas 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:02.239 station to me like like a paid like a paste 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.640 up check payment check with my name on it, and 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:12.040 then attempted to cash that using my passport as a 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:19.280 valid idea. Um. So I was like, well, that's good information, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.360 and had them called the police and gave him the 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:27.600 case number. Then I called the police and and then, um, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.560 all of a sudden, they became pretty interested in it 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.839 because I think it like elevated the crime a little bit, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:38.880 and because now they're out forging checks and they ultimately 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.240 did make an arrest. And it was just really and 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.840 I just learned of this today because I finally got 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.760 somewhere back. Yeah, are you gonna get to confront them? 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.640 I doubt it. But it was so funny because the 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:58.200 detectives like, yeah, I would really watch your credit because, uh, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.080 this guy told me that he's been doing this five 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.520 days a week, eight hours a day. He puts a 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.200 full week, he puts in a full week. He's like, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.600 just like you are right clocking in at the office. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.080 He's like, he has been forging checks eight hours a day, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:19.480 five days a week. Huh. Yeah, how local is he local? 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.640 Is he the dude that actually stole your ship? Or 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.200 do they give your stuff to this dude? I'm telling 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.240 you from what I saw happen in my garage, Yeah, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.320 they would have had to have found a new path 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.840 in life still in the criminal line of things. Uh, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.359 to elevate to check forgery from what I saw in 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.640 the garage, the folks who robbed the garage, I don't 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.920 think you're capable of the foragery game. The forty hour 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.000 week foragery game week for so you might get to 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.800 meet someone involved in this criminal enterprise. It's yeah, it's 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.799 possible if for some reason they want me to test 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.279 fire or something like that. No, uh, of your heard 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.760 this story the flip flop Flusher's granddad had a hunting 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:10.760 cabin and some criminals, some crooks robbed his hunting cabin. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.760 Later the cops caught the guys and this is an 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:20.760 interesting move. The cops then bring the guy over, just 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:27.000 drive him over to visit with the grandfather. So says 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.400 that his grandfather gets a cop comes to the door 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.640 and says, hey, we got the guy that robbed your place. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.840 He's handcuffed in the back of my car. So seth 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.360 grandfather just gets to go out to lay his eyes 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.000 on him, poke him with the stack. Yeah, and Seth 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.919 said that his grandfather said to the guy, you know, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 I would have killed you if I caught you, And 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:56.159 that was how they left it. Wow that that that's great. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.359 Always tell that to him to and be like, boy, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.040 you just don't know how closed you were. You didn't 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.440 have it in me to shoot you. Man. Yeah, what if? 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.680 Just a funky deal. But anyway, passports back, so it fine. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.800 If I was a detective, I would dust that they did. Yeah, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.680 so it was dusting it for fingers and I did 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.919 have a fingerprint on it. Yeah yeah, I assume not mine. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.600 Um so, so, uh is it cool at the State Department? 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.560 Do you get to keep on using your passport even 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.120 though it was like compassport number? Okay? Yeah, so no 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.920 matter what kind of shenanigans they were trying to pull 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.040 with your passport, It's not like a credit card where 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.719 they'd like issue you a new one all of a sudden. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.480 You just get to keep running. I mean you can 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.440 go through, jump through a bunch of hoops and get 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.000 like a new Social Security number, new passport number. But 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.640 it it takes some some effort and from what like 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.719 I called the Social Social Security Administration and actually just 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:02.080 phenomenal customer service. Um. But the fellow I talked to, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.440 he's like, you know, he's like, this is what we've 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.880 done for you, Like it's flagged in the system. Um. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.840 The way this works is a little funky. Is like, 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.240 it's still gonna be very frustrating to you. Um. But 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.920 what we see is somebody's going to hold down a 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.560 job for a year and not pay their taxes with 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:30.280 your Social Security number, and then we'll call you and 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.520 be like, why aren't you paying your taxes? And then 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.880 you'll say, well, actually I have, but here's and then 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.760 we'll look back in your record, we'll see the thing 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.840 and you'll be fine. He's like, it's not gonna be fun. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.440 You're not gonna like it. But he's like, you'll be fine. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.280 You really take it all this quite well. Cal I 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.520 think it's just so far out of my hands, you know. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.200 It's like, I got other things to worry about. And 0:07:53.240 --> 0:08:00.360 this is like five months in the making. It was March. Yeah, yeah, Spencer, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.600 you don't have c one niner. I don't fresh from 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.640 the testing ground. I I have the proven cleanest bill 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.160 of health in this room for COVID. I would imagine 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.360 when they come in and tell you don't have it, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.720 I love it. Do you have did you have a scare? Um? So, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.920 my wife and I had cold symptoms over the weekend. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.520 But the issue with COVID, right is if you look 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.800 up symptoms, it's like everything except stubbing your toe is 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.120 on the list. So body a headache, cough, And if 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.280 there wasn't a global pandemic, you would just be like, oh, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 this is a head giral and and fine enough to 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.200 like even go into work. Um, but we have a 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.320 wedding coming up in three days. We wanted to the 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.920 responsible thing get tested. So we did and he right, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.280 Steve like I didn't have any anxiety leading up to 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.720 were pretty confident. But then like that fifteen minute wait 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.520 between like getting swabbed and then like them coming in, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.559 then it like starts to build and build and build. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.440 Oh yeah, and you get free. They're gonna throw a 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.679 false positive at fifteen minute. Wait, you can you can 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.480 get rapid testing, right, there's like standard testing. It's like 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.400 five to ten days, three days. Ye. Well yeah, the 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.360 state of Alaska now won't accept rapid tests. They did 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.440 say it's it is less accurate than the other ones. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.880 It throws a lot of falls. I've heard, I heard, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:18.040 I heard it's get that throws a lot of false positives. Well, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.240 that's got a it's got a reputation. I don't know 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.880 that's true or not. That wouldn't come to me for 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:27.920 your COVID information. Uh we So I was telling Calda's 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.400 two nights ago? Was it two nights ago? We went 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.000 down to where my kid fishes suckers and took a 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:39.880 spear gun down there and got into the um, got 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.160 into the water with a spear gun, and like you 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.000 could see about twelve inches, so the spear guns like 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.240 two ft long, So all the suckers are zipping in 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.560 front of your face like sort of between you had 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.320 to hold a spear gun back behind your head and 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.880 reach back and pull the trigger in order to shoot 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.600 the soccers that you can see scooting across your face 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.000 mask as you dive through the holes. Somewhere in the 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.960 manual recommends against that. And then I would, I would. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.800 I My buddy Greg Fonds is supposed to be sending 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.720 me a new Hawaiian, a real stubby. I want a 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.320 short nose Hawaiian sling. I got an eight footer in 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.880 the garage. I need a snub nose Hawaiian slang for 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.280 close work. So we gave up on that. That water 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.120 is so cold it was it was degrees. My kid 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:28.560 didn't think it was cold. Like kids, I don't know 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.320 what their problem is they getting the cold water down't 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:31.840 know what it's cold. I was so cold I couldn't 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.679 breathe through my snorkel because we were wearing one. We 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:41.160 were wearing one creek where a small mountain stream flows 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.760 into a bigger stream, and the bigger stream is much warmer, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.400 and that small mountain stream is flowing in all silty 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.800 and cold, and the suckers are all laying in the 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.960 hole created by the inlet. So when you dive down 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.600 in that hole, yeah, I got any. I had like 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.640 forced myself to be able to breathe through a snorkel. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.080 There was that cold. Now the follow up question is 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.880 going to be what are you doing with suckers? Sucker cakes? Yeah, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.320 so I think you should explain sucker cakes because I've 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.040 I've had some of that. You're amalgamous dip between your 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.120 um multi species bag that you get sometimes, well, I'll 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.920 get to the sucker cake thing in a minute, yeah, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.960 but I'll walk through that so when you dive down 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.560 and follow the bottom contour of the whole, like I said, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.400 it's just suckers like kind of like banging into your 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.080 face masks, but you can't do anything about it. And 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.120 I was telling my kid, if you misidentify it hit 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.920 a white fish, you don't fish again for the rest 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.839 of our lives or whatever, because we'd be in a 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.760 serious violation because it's a game fish. Anyhow, we bailed 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:47.080 on that, much to his disappointment, and came back the 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.720 next night with rods and reels and after micro scouting, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.480 like we knew that this whole head suckers, but our 0:11:54.600 --> 0:12:01.679 understanding of that whole improved to where like like let's say, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.600 I like, I'm looking at my laptop right now. I 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.439 used to know there are suckers like on the laptop, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.640 but now I know that the suckers are at the 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.920 letter G. And we went back last night bam bam. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.200 He went back with his neighborhood buddy this morning, Bam bam, bam. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.600 Mountains suckers in our fridge now and we always talk 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.920 about in the big game world, like if for a 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:29.080 second you could just suck all the trees off the 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:33.360 mountain just real quick, because you know there's something there, 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.559 but it'd just be nice to know exactly where. I 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.040 have a different version of that, and it's that if 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.760 all the animals, you can do it by species, So 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.960 like all black bears had to shoot a flare up 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.160 in there, a pink one, and the deer was shooting 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:55.160 green one, and that would just be like color blind people, yanni, yeah, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.760 so yeah, some kind of whatever, some kind of yeah 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.640 thing that's new that that's support. So even like Mark 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:07.080 Kenyon could participate, and we talked about it back in 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.000 the days of Pac Country. We would just imagine just 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.560 if you're a giant and you could just pick up 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.920 the mountain that we hunted a lot and jake and 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.280 turn it upside down and shake it and just see 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.600 what fell all of it as little kids are la. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.360 I'll get back to my soccer story. But the lake 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.040 we grew up on, our dream was that, um, it 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.440 was complicated because it required that everybody had to go away. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.280 Everybody lived on the lake had to leave because we 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.280 don't want other people seeing what we were about to see. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.960 Everyone would leave and our lake would drain, and we 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.800 would have an hour or so to run out and 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:46.720 see what all is there, just to take stock, not 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.040 even to pick anything up, but to take stock of 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.280 what's there. And we talked about this a lot, and 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.400 my kid doesn't nobody just talk about this. And we're 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.520 up at our fish shack, and he was saying, wouldn't 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.640 it be amazing if we could drain all the water 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.400 out of cove and see what's in there? I think 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.840 about that too, because you're always like, you know, you 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.280 fish a little bit harder when you're like, I know, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.480 if I just try a little something different or whatever, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.000 like I'm gonna find like that big one. Wouldn't you 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.520 just be disheartening if you're like, oh, it turns out 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.560 the perch in this lake do only get six inches? 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.640 Because there was a guy named Mr. Playing who lived 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.480 he had a cabin across from our house's mostly summer cottages. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.000 At the time, Mr Playing had developed a pioneer to 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.880 technology he called speed trolling. He liked this troll real 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.200 fast for northerns and he had one of those old 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.200 fish finders that took a pencil. Whoa you ever see those? 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.640 We used to have one to my dad had when 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.400 I was a little kid. It's like a pencil and 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.760 at the end of fishing, you can take the whole 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.080 damn scroll of paper and walk around showing people the scroll. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.880 It spits out a never ending six inch wide scroll 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:06.080 paper with the pencil. Oh yeah. Mr Playing used to 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.840 run around with a hunk of this scroll showing that. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.160 He's like, there's a five ft in northern in that lake, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.960 and everybody bleed him because like technology doesn't lie. It 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.640 was a big pencil mark and Mr. Playing scroll, So 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.120 if you drained it, you'd be able to be like, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.120 is it or is it not? That guy used to 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.360 catch shiploaded pike. I'll tell you what speed drawn we 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.080 We had a version of that that's not quite as satisfying. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:35.000 It's just like draining the entire water body. But whenever, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.480 for the U S Fish and Wireless Service, we had 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.040 a lake in southeastern South Dakota that it got too 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.080 over on with trash fish like every type of carp 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.360 grass carp common carp silver car big head carp um, 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.800 and then they just like cleaned out all the vegetation 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.080 was an incredibly popular body of water for people in 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.280 that area, so they decided to kill off the entire lake. Um. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.920 So we went out there with roting known which is 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.040 like takes I think it takes the oxygen out of 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.320 the water and it kills all the fish and then 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.040 everything comes on the surface. Well what is it. It's 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.360 derived from a South American plant. Oh, and it inhibits 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.720 the fish's ability to remove oxygen the water. So it's 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.320 like it's like messing with their gills. You mean you 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.120 don't even fish like that. Yeah, I've seen the video. Yeah, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.480 but we did that, and it's like steel poisoners. We 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.240 did that in this entire lake and you're like, oh, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.240 while I in here, like, oh man, there are way 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 more perch than you would think, and like, well, like 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.840 this the rosier picture than what you expected. Um, with 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.840 the exception everything being dead. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Uh. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.640 And they don't they don't come back to life like 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.560 when you're shocking them. When well, that may or may 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:56.680 not be because where we witnessed it, the effects wear off. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.960 They would go to a side slough and they would 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.920 rock off the tributary leading into the side. Slow poison 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.720 the side slough and they were saying that if you 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.679 open a back up and let water come in, the 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.480 fish will pull out and be fine. Yeah, and that 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.879 was part of this. This lake had some like natural 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.719 springs that we had to constantly keep wroteing known like 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.840 right there where that fresh water was coming in, gotcha 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.199 to keep it lethal. Have you ever shocked fish when 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.320 you're in that old job? Oh yeah, plenty. Yeah, that's 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.600 interesting too, that you can you can shock fish and 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.280 not kill them, but you get your settings a certain way, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.760 and a beaver might come by and you'll like waylay 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.800 that beaver because the voltage is set where would be 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.119 lethal for a beaver but not lethal for a fish. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.280 One of the really uh like surprising parts of that 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.480 is we shocked for flatheads specifically one day, and they 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.320 take like a much lower voltage than most fish, which 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.119 was bigger, really surprising. You would think that like, uh, like, okay, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.040 we're gonna go find pan fish, right, so let's just 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.960 like crank this thing down. But now we're gonna go 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.320 seek out flatheads, so we gotta crank it way up 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.560 and just make sure we're like shocking everything in the area. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.520 But that's not the case, it's bigger at once lower 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.119 like if you jumped in there, you'd be screwed. If 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.760 you got to shock at small fisher situation too. Uh. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.959 Shocked the South Fork of the Snake, like extremely extremely 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.040 popular Stretcher River um on the South Fork of the 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.960 Snake in Idaho, and shocked with Idaho fishing game. And 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.840 it was with the head of Fisheries and Brent High 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.720 or Brett High and uh, he's he's like a local Blackfoot, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:41.560 Idaho guy, and I'm just amazed at how many fish 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.879 come up to the surface in this very small side 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.760 channel that we wasn't shocked. And he's like, oh yeah, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.240 He's like everybody talks about how there's four thousand trout 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:56.840 per mile. He's like, but there's also seven thousand white 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.359 fish per mile, He's like. And then he's kind of 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.560 like went on and on and on. It was just 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.120 an insane amount of life, but it is um. Yeah, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:12.159 unless you get to witness shocking, it's like you just 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.600 can't fathom how much life is in some of this stuff. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.480 I was in the Philippines and we're doing Uh. I 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.199 was doing a magazine story where I was with this 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.359 crew and they were doing like a first descent, you know, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.760 down the river, which is cool. It was fun and 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.840 in Central Highlands will lose on island and one day 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.720 we're just camped down the river bank and we're with this. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.360 It's this area that's like the Klinga tribe lives there, 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:38.840 so you have to kind of get permission from the 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.640 Klingon and then the Klingon would make you take other 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.040 like take Klinga dudes. We have these two dudes, these 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:50.080 two Kolinga dudes with us on this trip. And some 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:51.919 guy they know we were camped down the beach and 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.840 some guy comes along. They knew who the guy was. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.120 And this guy comes along. He's got a giant he's 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.520 got a backpack made out of a giant thing of 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.359 a giant detergent bottle, like if you bought a huge 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:11.040 square thing of laundry detergent kind of container, right, and 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.320 he had it made into a backpack with ropes and 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:20.240 in it. He had car batteries coming off the car batteries. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.920 He had two handheld wands, and he's got a dude 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.520 with him that has like a beat packing two batteries. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:33.119 He's got two batteries, two car batteries damned, and a 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:38.119 backpack and two metal wands, and he's got a dude 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.879 with him who's got a mini beach saying hooked on 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:45.320 two sticks. And these guys come down the river and 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.879 he would get up on a rock and his body 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.040 to get up on a rock, and then his body 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.359 would stick that beach saying down below the rock, and 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:00.439 then he would wave those wands all around under that 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.800 rock and it come in and slow that dude to 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.960 lift that beach saying up and ship loads of shrimp 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:09.040 and crabs in there like electro shocking them out of there. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.000 And they got a big it's a long story. We 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.000 wand up with a bunch of this stuff, the shrimp crabs, 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:18.959 and the guy's gotta they get a big log burning 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.800 and they roll the log over so it's ember side 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.399 up and then just lay all that ship down that 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.440 log on the glowing embers and just lay there for 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.040 a while. Then that's a great move. No, yeah, And 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.600 I had all my fish and equipment with me because 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.040 I was like, I'm gonna catch so many fish, like 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.119 first ascent of a river. Like listen, man, there's not 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.439 a thing in those rivers. Everything is dead you'd go 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.040 to a fish market there. It's like their fish market 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.399 is stuff the size of your pinky, like, oh, and 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.840 a whale shark, but like there's no sort of like 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.600 all the things because they fish with poison, fish with explosives. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.959 It's like a myth that, um, the myth that like 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:12.280 developing nations would somehow have uh you know, pristine resource pools. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:18.120 It's a myth. People are hungry, man, They just kill 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.240 everything anyway you can get your hands on it. Buddy 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:26.080 of mine is fishing the Ontaman Islands, which is uh 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:31.679 like uh kind of a border uh series of islands 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:37.800 owned by India, And the guy was explaining to him 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.080 the fishery, like why that spot is so good. He's like, yeah, 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:48.720 there's no arsenic fishing here m hm. And yeah Michigan kid, 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.639 buddy of mine is like arsenic fishing. And I was like, yeah, no, 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:58.680 arsenic like gets a big deal. And he's like, hey, yeah, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.639 I would imagine it's a bad Her back to my 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.280 soccer is real quick. The so I think I'm making 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.479 a video tonight with my kid on how we make 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.840 soccer cakes. So hear me out, you flay the socker. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.800 You got a sucker flay. Then you remove the rib 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.120 from the soccer, just like take the rib bone off. 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.719 Then you skin the soccer. Now you have a sucker 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:26.040 flay that's still riddled with the insane number of bones 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.600 that live in soccer flays. Then we cue it up 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:36.159 and like half inch pieces. Put that raw, pack it 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.280 into a food processor raw and you put a bunch 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.080 of trout in there too, pack it if you want, 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.520 pack it in the food processor and turn the food 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.680 process around and leave it in there until that raw 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:50.120 fish has turned into a batter. It's like a batter 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.760 of raw fish. While you making that face, it's not 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.240 it doesn't sound very appetizing. Okay, let me put it 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.280 this way, and then you make a moose m O 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:06.880 U S s. Yeah, but still U S s out 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.320 of raw fish moose. Still doesn't sound appetizing. But but 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.720 I'm I'm following there's a version where raw fish batter 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.199 doesn't sound. I'm sure it's gonna get good. This is 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:19.480 the best recipe, perhaps the best recipe ever invented. But 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.760 I'm just telling you, there's nobody that right now is 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.960 now listening in their car. And when you described food 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.560 processing soccer meat and drought meat raw. They're like, oh, 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.200 did I take my raw fish? And I pull it 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:32.920 out and I put it into a mixing bowl to 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:43.359 which I add bread crumb, eggs, prepared horse radish, mayo, herbs, 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.080 and all kinds of other good ship to eat, little 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.879 sour cream if you feel like whatever, hot sauce. How 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:56.040 does the fish batter smell? It smells very clean clean. Yeah, 0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.040 it smells very clean. Um, they are a wonderful The 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.200 problems with sucker I should start by saying that's the 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:08.520 problems with suckers are that the texture. People people are 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.359 not crazy about the texture, and people are definitely not 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.960 crazy about the bones. So it's a mushy piece of 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.879 fish that's bony. But by going through this process that 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:24.000 I'm here talking about, those things become not an issue. 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.680 So I got my bread crumb, egg good stuff to eat, 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.160 horse radish and all that. Then I make little little 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:34.440 teeny uh flattened patties. So I take I make about 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.199 what you a meatball? I make a meatball with this batter. 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:44.040 I flatten the meat ball into something that resembles the 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.840 sort of dimensions, the relative dimensions of a pancake. But 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:50.880 it's much smaller fits in the palm of your hand. 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:56.800 I then roll this and coat that and panco then 0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:00.240 I cook it in a pan until the pan was 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.040 golden brown. Then you now have something that's like if 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.840 if the people at Long john Silver's actually knew how 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:13.520 to cook. It's that crispy, right, crispy outside, beautiful like 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:20.080 fluffy inside. You've taken us, You've transported us, dude. Is 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.600 one of the best recipes to ever be invented, and 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.440 I'm thinking about filming it tonight. So what fish can't 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.840 you do this with? I don't know, do with anything? 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.679 You do with anything. We call them soccer cakes for 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:35.560 the reason. You know what I screwed up. I screwed 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.000 up a big chunk of halibut that you gave me 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.640 the other day. By the way, you're I mean, I'd 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.280 do it the same way because you just get sick 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.159 of bag and fish. But my god, that's a huge 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:53.560 Those are giant portions. Well those are those are family packs, man, 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.960 They're not meant for a single man. So I take 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.840 you know, it's I'm like, I wanted to take on 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:06.760 the challenge of cooking this whole huge chunk al but um, 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.440 you know perfectly, and I had a thermometer in there 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.600 and was doing it on the trigger um, which I 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:18.960 believe gives you even more leeway. And uh consequently pulled 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.520 it before the thing even got to Tampa according in 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.080 the temperature, because I just knew something wasn't right, and 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.639 sure enough it was super dry. But I turned that 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:34.960 into uh, you know, basically like fish sandwich. Yeah, and 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:40.280 absolutely phenomenal, very very good, to the point where I'm like, 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:44.040 this is what aliment should be good. Yeah. I feel 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:45.920 like with those big chunks, you gotta slice him in 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:51.760 a half sideways. Yeah, Oh, I Spencer explain. I can't 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.120 figure which of these things I want to explain first, Oh, 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:59.159 bad news for the um the squirrels eating dots off 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.200 other squirrels, and even reveal this now that I think 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:08.560 it's for another time. Spencer has not like that you 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:14.359 even brought it up. Spencer has not found a researcher 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:18.920 yet who knows what he's talking about. You need to 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.680 keep You need to do what you're doing science. When 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.320 you get an answer, you don't want to go to 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.199 the next researcher. Eventually you wind up. You need what 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.959 you'll do what corporations do is you'll need to go 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:33.200 hire a researcher and tell him I need you to 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:38.160 demonstrate to me that X is true. Got it? And 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.760 they're like, got it? So we'll leave that one hanging. 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.680 Our article forthcoming on if if squirrels bite the nuts 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.960 off of other squirrels and just say that yes, knowing 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:53.400 that they do, it'll be an exploration of of the 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.000 truth of that, the truth of that, And you better 0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.400 keep working until you find the right person to talk 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:05.040 to who satisfies my curiosity. But in the meantime, explain, 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:12.800 explain the zone of death situation. The Zone of Death 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.960 is part of our Barroom Banter series. And I'm biased, 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.480 but our barroom manter stuff is my favorite stuff on 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.280 the Meat Eat Your website. Actually, I'll make a number 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.840 two Pet Dirk and anything Pat Dirkin writes is number one. 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.840 That's my favorite, and then barbroom banter stuff is my 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.400 second favorite. And barroom banter is meant to be wisdom 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.720 that will make you seem smart and interesting from a 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.240 bar stool when you're shooting the ship with your buddies 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.800 and you're like, well, did you know this? Do you 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:47.840 know squirrels we'll actually bite like that stuff like that exactly. 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.760 Who's who's playing on my toes? Oh yeah, sorry? So 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.400 the the zone of death. Um, first, when you talk 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.960 about yellow Stone actual park and it's mapping. If you're 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.000 not familiar, you don't live in bow has been like us. Um, 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.040 you might not know this, but Yellowstone extends into three states. 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.600 Of it is in Wyoming, two is in Montana, and 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.000 one percentage in Idaho. And this is bad. Never heard 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.960 the percentages before? This is because but but it predates 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.840 the states. Yes, eighty two Yellowston National Park was created. 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.120 It wasn't until twenty years later that those three states 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:35.440 gained statehood. So does unless I've never understood this well either, 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.680 But are you gonna explain how like where, how the 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.920 like what the state's role actually is in these states? 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.280 The states don't have much of a role at all, 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.320 it turns out, and that's that's all sort of part 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:55.120 of what creates this zone of death. Okay, So I 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.920 would I would argue that the most interesting part of 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.480 Yellowstone is that one percent in Idaho, despite it not 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.120 having a road, it has one road that's sort of 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.800 like goes through the very corner of it and that's it. 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.320 Other than that, it has some trails, It doesn't have 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:19.680 any campgrounds. Um, it has like one notable lake, it 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.280 butts up to some other like notable things like the 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.840 Nada Falls. It's very popular hiking destination in that part 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.520 of Yellowstone, but it's not technically in Idaho or the 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:35.720 Zone of death. So I'm following. Okay. When Wyoming was created, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.360 the US Court System decided to give all of Yellowstone 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:46.200 to Wyoming's District Court. So the entire National Park, including 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:50.640 the sections that are in Montana and in Idaho, are 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:57.360 part of the Wyoming Court district. Okay, got it? Um? 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.720 Should I say my questions? Um? I think so? I 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.680 think so. Alright, So, so all of all of Yellowstone 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.320 is in the Wyoming Court District. Looks utterly baffled. Well, 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:14.320 I'm waiting patiently. Okay, okay, all of Yellowstone is in 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.920 Wyoming's Court district, despite the park being in three different states. 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.600 Now here's what would happen in this Zone of death 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:25.120 if you murdered somebody. Okay, say you were in the 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.680 Idaho portion of Yellowstone and you murdered somebody. How did 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:33.200 we get there? This? This will explain there. Yeah, this. 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.280 This looks like I say to Johnny, I'm like, hey, 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:40.760 you know good uh huckleberry spot Yep, yep, you might 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.640 want to go there at Monday at ten. I'm more 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.200 men like explaining district courts to murder. Okay, so this 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:59.360 this this hypothetically you drive, Yeah, this this hypothetical, we're steven. Yeah, logical. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.960 Well you know about the states, the percentages and then 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:07.920 the killing of another human being, so obviously you're thing Okay, 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.280 So yeah, ford Za connection, Forza connection. This place, there's 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.240 this place in it happens Steve and Yanni are looking 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.640 for huckleberries over there illegally. I imagine you can't go 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.840 pick huckleberries and yellows. No, like there's a lot of 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.720 Yellowstone is a place where you can't. You go to 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.160 not be able to do things. But I believe that 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:34.480 you can. I think can pick a berry. I can't 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.160 pick up a deer antler. I was just there with 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.640 a park biologist and we found several arrowheads, bunch of 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.360 shed antlers. We touch that stuff, can't touch. It can't 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:48.440 touch shed antlers, can't touch. I believe you can same 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.240 way that you can catch fish in certain areas and 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.120 keep them. Like, in fact, if you catch lake trout 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.640 and Yelston Lake, you can't not keep it. The fish 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.600 is a good comparison. That's that's a good You can 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.520 eat a are in that park. Okay. I'm not sticking 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.400 up for the park. I wish it would just become 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:09.120 national forces. We can start close to it, Okay, on 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:14.840 ideological grounds. So you guys, you guys are legally or 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.799 illegally looking for huckleberries in Idaho's portion, say let's let's 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.719 keep the story going and just say that, Uh, you 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.920 don't know what we're doing with them, but we are 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.239 looking for huckle bay Okay, not necessarily picking and eating them. 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:33.400 Identifying huckleberryes in Idaho's portion of Yellostone National Park is 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.160 fifty square miles. It's really small. It's just a little slipper. 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:37.759 You barely even see it on the map. You guys 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:44.920 over there looking for huckleberries. Steve Kills Yanni, why, um, 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.480 just like you, I don't know, disagreement over whether you're 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:54.360 not You guys can eat huckleberries jealous of it's more entertaining, 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.320 like years of angst on us kill Steve Kills Yanni, 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.359 Steven I think years of like I I like, how 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.920 do I do it? And I just strangled, flat out 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.399 stranglem in the huckleberry bush and then I bury him 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.560 as they do in the woods in a As Norm 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:17.080 MacDonald points out, it's always a shallow grade. That's a 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:21.600 great one. So I put him in the shallow grade, 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.200 put the grid. It's gonna come dig me out. And 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.560 Steve fest is up to it. Immediately he says, I 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.359 did it. I did it. This is where he's at. 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:34.400 I did it. Everything that you're hearing is true. Steve 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.319 tells that to some sort of law enforcement. They take 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:43.000 you to Cheyenne. Okay, Cheyenne, Cheyenne, Wyoming. That's the state capital, 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.640 that is the hub of the District of Wyoming's court system. Okay, 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:54.560 is it not a federal crime because all of Yellowstone 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:59.920 National Park is in the Wyoming court District. Okay, entires. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.640 So they take you four hundred seventy miles southeast to Cheyenne, Wyoming, 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:09.319 and then Steve says, well, the sixth Amendment allows me 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:13.880 to have a speedy, uh and fair trial. Right. So 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.120 then they're like, okay, well here we go. We're gonna 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.719 get this trial set up Now there is also the 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.600 vicinage clause, which means that you have the right to 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:32.000 a jury that comes from the district and the state 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.799 where you committed your crime. So what we now have 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:40.399 is this incredibly tight ven diagram of the state where 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.800 you committed the crime is Idaho, and the court district 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.320 where you committed the crime is Wyoming. So now the 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:53.720 prosecutors have to find a jury from within that fifty 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:58.160 square mile stretch of Idaho. Being on the jury that's Elliston. 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.080 Now here's the probably in there. There's there's not a 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:08.360 single person that lives there. So you are now allowed 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.000 to go free because they cannot give you a fair drawer, 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.399 a fair trial made up of your peers that came 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.440 from the court or excuse me, that came from the 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.240 court district and the state because they could only exist 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.759 in that fifty square mile area. You know, you run 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.040 the fact Checker series, you run the barroom Banner series. 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.360 I think that there needs to be sort of a 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:34.720 post modern sort of mash up where fact Checker fact 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:41.520 checks barroom. So this this because I just don't I 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.520 don't believe it. This legal loophole was brought up by 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.200 a Michigan State law professor in two thousand five in 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.440 an article that he published. I called him yesterday to 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.680 talk about this, and Uh, I had asked him, like, 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:02.200 if there's been any more in the Georgetown let me 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.280 find the Georgetown Law Review or something. Georgetown Law Journal 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.279 two thousand five. Brian coult is his name, and he's 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.239 like he wrote a piece being like, hey, you know 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:18.000 what murder someone. Initially he was looking at, um, how 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.920 if you come in a crime within a certain distance 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.160 of like a county line in a lot of states, 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.320 you can actually be tried in the other county despite 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.360 it not happening in that county. And he was looking 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.480 at how that can cause issues with The example he 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.560 was looking at was a crime that happened in Detroit 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.279 that was like kind of in the suburbs, but sort 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.399 of in an urban area, and it had a lot 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.279 of racial tension in that area. And so depending on 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.240 where this crime, UH was prosecuted at, would like totally 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.719 change what the outcome could be. That's what he was 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.520 starting to look at. And then he came across, UH, 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.239 this whole thing with Yellowstone and this issue. Now this 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.360 would not happen, say you guys had the same scenario, 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.360 but this happened in the Montana portion of Yellowstone, that 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.520 two percent of the Yellowstone National Park that's in mind. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.600 We'd have a we'd have it would be all people 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.960 from Gardener. There's actually forty one people, forty one adults 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.880 that live in that zone. So they could you'd have 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.000 you telling me you'd have to go and that's your 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.440 jury pool. Yes, yep, they they would have to find 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:23.600 so and this this was actually in two thousand you know, 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:29.759 is if this ever happened, it could only be it 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:31.959 could only be tried to find that amount of times, 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:36.160 because the first thing they ask you during your juror 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:42.440 interview is have you ever served on a Yeah, you 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.400 could try. You could do it three times, assuming that 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.800 all forty of those people are eligible jurors and nobody 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.520 knew moves into the area. That's right as well. So 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.800 Brian Coult brought up this issue in his two thousand 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.520 five or article, and it was actually used in the 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:58.920 court of law. I think it was in two thousand 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:02.680 seven or two thousand eight. Somebody killed an elk in 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:07.839 Montana's portion of Yellowstone National Park and his lawyer, who 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:12.799 is now deceased. UM had brought up this Brian called 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.160 paper about the zone of death UM and how his 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.560 trial should have to take place in the Yellowstone portion 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:26.000 of Montana because that's where the crime happened at and 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.280 how they would have to get a jury from that area. UM. 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:33.680 The prosecutors had acknowledged that, like, this is an issue. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.239 We this is going to be like a lot of 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.080 work for us to make this happen and like bring 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.719 charges on this person who shot this elk. And so 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.520 they offered this guy a plea deal, basically saying that like, 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.799 you can't fight this any further, UM, and you know, 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.759 if you take this then it's over with, right. But 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.239 he had said that, like this issue came up then 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.759 and it was a big problem unresolved. It was left unresolved. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.640 And so I said, when in me killing Yanni, I 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.600 could do like I'll do aggravated assault, but I'm not 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:11.080 doing murder. They'd be like, okay, bro it it would 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.400 be it would it would like certainly drag out much 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.120 longer than that. And this guy who shot the elk 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.400 chose that option. He chose not to drag it out 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:20.799 and just took the plea deal. But this probably caught 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.719 believes that he could have uh forced their hand and 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.280 made them have the trial in this portion of Montana 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.799 where he killed the elk. Now. I asked Brian if 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.560 he would feel responsible for something or like what what 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.120 his feelings would be if Steve did gil go kill 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.799 Yanni while they were searching for huckle berries, and he said, 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:41.960 it's been it's been fifteen years. He would be really 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.480 really piste off if this happened because the government has 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.200 not acted on it. And Congress, he said, if they 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.279 decided tomorrow they wanted to change this, they could changes 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.400 it would take like three lines that he his example, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.600 he said to take five minutes. Wouldn't literally take five minutes, 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.000 but he said he would take five minutes. That's how 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.960 quick this would be to fix this issue. Who said 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.680 to the zone of death? He didn't because he discovered 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:07.359 it and and his discovery of this has like uh 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.960 it it inspired a best selling novel, a New York 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.960 Times bestselling novel called free Fire, and author from Wyoming 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.800 wrote a book where an attorney goes and he kills 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.000 four campers in a zone of Yellowstone that has no 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:25.840 jurisdiction over Huckleberry's I don't know. It also inspired a movie. 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.600 I can't remember what it's called, like One Provision or 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.839 something like that. And now people are telling me, are 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:35.759 you guys familiar with the TV series Yellowstone? Yeah, that 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.279 show it. It came up in the Sunday episode like 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.920 three days ago. They talked about They refer to it 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.520 as the train station. I believe so that it's not 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.160 for a lack of awareness that the government hasn't changes. 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.920 He said, they just um like drag their feet. They 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:52.920 don't think it's a big deal. They think that if 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:57.160 something did happen, they could still like manipulate wording and 0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.760 understandings to still get a prosecution. And he just basically 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.279 said that's no way to treat the constitution. And so 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.319 he would be really piste off if something happened, but 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.560 basically said the blood would be on the government's hands, 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:14.600 not his own. Mm hmm. It's dark. Yeah, work on 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.600 your hypothetical though, because you could have just had Steve 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.960 killing Elk and it would have been fine. Let's work 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.600 on this. This is more exciting thought. It's not that 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.600 it's not the zone of death, not the zone of 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.360 Elk death, all right, right, And they're like, Okay, the 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:31.359 cost to the county or the state of Wyoming in 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.160 order to to prosecute this the way it should be 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:42.000 is going to far exceed what we what we can afford, basically, 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.560 So I asked Brian if like their lack of changing 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.600 this is just pure laziness or what it is, and 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.759 he said, it's it's a lot laziness, but there is 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.640 a point to be made where someone didn't feel inspired 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.480 to change this. A few years after, Brian brought everyone 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.200 like national attention to in two thousand five, and he 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.479 said when they looked into changing it, that what would 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:07.600 then happen is Yellowstone would have some portions that are 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.480 now in the ninth Court Circuit and not the tenth. 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.640 Wyoming is in the tenth Montana and Idaho or in 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:17.040 the ninth and when it comes to like environmental issues, 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.759 that could like cause a lot of problems and open 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.439 up like some potentially big things that could happen because 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:28.080 now Yellowstone things can like but that already has they 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.279 already bring it to the ninth because they bring they 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.520 bring those lawsuits to the ninth because they know they 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:37.840 the like the anti hunting crowd brings lawsuits to the 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.759 is it the ninth that's in Missoula. Yeah, Like, if 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.319 you suon against the grizzly bear de listing or soon 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.799 against wolf de listing, you always want to make sure 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.080 it lands in Missoula because then you'll get a judge 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:49.560 who was like, oh, I don't want anybody to hurt 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.000 those poor things. And if you sue in the lands 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:53.960 of Wyoming, they'll be like, Wow, we're gonna go with 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.040 States Rights Mountain wildlife management. So that was that was 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.880 never the intention of this too, Like we're gonna manipulate 0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:01.719 the so it gets in the tenth Court District or 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.640 anything like that. That's just like now a product, product 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:06.719 of it, and a reason that they likely will never 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:22.040 change it. Okay, two more geographical ones for him, walk 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:26.239 me through. Um, mcfarthest, mcfarthest. Have you guys heard of 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:30.120 this before? Only from you, buddy? Okay, Oh you didn't 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.120 coin that term. No, No, A statician did. In two 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:40.919 thousand nine. He coined mcfarthest statistician statistician good correction. Uh. 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.719 He coined that term in two thousand nine when he 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:45.600 was looking for what he thought might be the most 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.279 remote place in the lower forty eight. How how would 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.959 you guys measure remoteness. Oh, I've been to the most 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:55.040 remote place on the continent. No, we're talking lower for well, 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:56.960 I can tell you they did. There was a lot 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.879 of factors that went into it. It was like proximity 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:05.080 human population, proximity to road, proximity to fuel. And they 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.000 came out with this thing that it was. You know, 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:12.040 in the um if you go up the Koebuck River 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.080 to the head of the Koebuck River and then over 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.799 top of the Brooks Range and get to the other side, 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:18.480 I think you wind up in this little area they 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:22.040 call like the remotest place in the continent. But no, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:23.759 I don't know. He goes by how he goes by 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.080 how far it is from a McDonald's. That's that's what 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.080 he wanted to say. There's a number of different ways 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:29.320 you can measure this, right, Like, if you want to 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.680 do the furthest you can get from a road. Uh 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.359 now a segue here that would actually land in Yellowstone 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.960 in the other corner of the park. Yeah, yeah, in 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:39.719 the southeast corner where the zone of death is in 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.680 the southwest corner. Gotcha. So that's that's one way you 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.160 can measure it. Uh, surprisingly like you wind up in 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:49.719 the you'd wind up in the um thoroughfare. M hmm. 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:55.520 What that zone is called other ways as far from 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.759 a road, that's the furthest from a road in the 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.080 lower forty eight in the southeast corner of Yellowstone. If 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:03.960 you want to look for the least populous county. This 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.640 really surprised me and landed in Texas. Love County has 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.960 a hundred and thirty four people. That's point one six 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.880 seven residents per square mile. No ship, Yeah, that sounds 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.480 like Cal's kind of place. Is that the Panhandle of 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.920 Texas or in the you know, the stake planes there. 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.960 I couldn't tell you, Yana Sticato, Loving County, Texas, Yanni, 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:28.200 if you wanna, if you wanna find it, no kidding. Yeah, 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:30.920 So that's because Alaska doesn't have counties, they have boroughs. 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.080 That's a couple of ways you can measure remoteness. But 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.640 this this person decided it's the furthest you can get 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.279 from McDonald's. And the cool thing about it makes his 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.560 job really really easy. The cool thing about measuring remoteness 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.200 that way is that it can move around then and 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:49.000 whatever that spot would be is then mc furthest so 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.959 in his first version of the map in two thousand nine, 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:58.320 he found that mcfarthest landed in northwestern South Dakota, which 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.120 is basically the same when we talked about three toes 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.600 of the Wolf or where Hugh Glass got mauled. Right 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.439 there on the ground on the right, right there. Yep, 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:12.120 that's where the first inclination of mcfarthest landed. But then 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.560 he looked back at the data about a decade later 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.200 and realized that there was a McDonald's closure in Nevada 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.919 that then moved this. Why were they clothes of McDonald's. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.520 So I touched on this in the barroom banter. I 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.120 went to their YELP page, which still existed despite them 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.320 being closed for a number of years, and it had like, uh, 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.440 let me see he it had fifteen YELP reviews averaging 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.200 one point five stars. I'm gonna read you some of 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:43.680 the quotes here from from the reviews. Uh Spencer, Spencer, 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.040 thank you, thank you, so, Wendy said, she said, quite 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:53.239 possibly the worst McDonald's on the planet. Paul said, atmosphere 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:58.880 three stars, food, one star, service two stars, but the whole, 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.600 the whole brand, and promise that McDonald's is just the same. No, 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:07.000 it's like it's it's the same no matter where you go, Like, 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.880 how do you mess it up? Like we we give 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.000 you the giant bag of fries, do you take the 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.520 fries and put it in our proprietary oil blend, in 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:21.080 our proprietary friar. This it's meant to rule out, it's 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.359 meant to like rule out human error. This seems as 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.320 I was like a culture thing, like it just didn't 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.080 didn't work there. So Jason in his review said, my 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:33.400 worst McDonald's experience ever. And then what's interesting about the 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:39.200 reviews is they're coming from people who like McDonald's. They're 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.880 coming from mcmcdonald's fans. They know the baseline of McDonald's. 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.600 These aren't people like I had never heard of this place, 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.279 but my god, these are play people who are like 0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:52.799 let down, let down by the McDonald's experience at that 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:56.680 particular McDonald's go on. My favorite review, though, came from Allison, 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.400 was one of the last reviews left of this McDonald's. 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.000 She said the cashier Cody was more stoned than a boulder. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.880 He had hickeys all over his neck. Well done, Cody's girlfriend. 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.480 So that was one of the final interviews and likely 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:17.680 why this McDonald's got shut down so mcfarthest because this 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:22.319 McDonald's clothes moved eleven hundred miles southwest from northwestern South 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:26.879 Dakota to halfway between Las Vegas and Reno. And at 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:30.240 this new locale you can now get thirteen miles further 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:35.440 from a big mac. What's that exact locale look like? 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.520 The exact locale it is on now on BLM Land 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.160 and it's actually right on the edge of Area fifty one, 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:44.120 so you can you can go reach this place if 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.680 you wanted. Uh. So it was like a wild horse 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:50.960 and a martian that's right standing there right now. This 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.160 is what the person wrote in eighteen when they updated 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.680 the make farthest location, they said, at its center, by 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:01.720 my calculations, forty minutes of washboards south on the Extraterrestrial Highway, 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.200 and a few clicks to the civilian side of the 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.439 greater Area fifty one perimeter fence, you'll find lower forty 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:12.000 eight's current mcfarthest spot, a sandy swatch of silver gate 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.319 sage brush just over one hundred twenty miles. As the 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:19.560 crow flies from the nearest McDonald's how's the business one? 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.560 It was actually pretty surprising. You would think that you 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.640 can get further than a hundred and twenty miles from McDonald's. 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.200 That's it. Do you remember now? I don't know, because 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.960 the reach of McDonald's really struck me when we were 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:37.640 UM one of the Remember, I think Obama took steps 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:43.319 to normalize, you know, normalized relations with Cuba, UM, which 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:45.160 I think will eventually happen because I think people are 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.600 most people in America have forgot, they've forgotten why we're 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.319 real mad at Cuba. But anyways, they were gonna like 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:56.920 the hatred, the hatred Waynes. But I remember hearing and 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.920 that's not a big island. I remember reading this article 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:04.280 was talking about Western you know, or like American corporate 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:08.600 world's plans for normalized relations with Cube, and I remember 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.080 reading that McDonald's was planning on going into Cuba lightly 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.759 with twenty four stores or like some plan and I 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:19.160 was like, that's light. So then I thought there must 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.520 be just a lot of McDonald's is around. Man, if 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.239 you want to go visit mcfarthest I put it's uh, 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.440 I put a pin for it in the article on 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:31.480 our website's bar room banter Colin mcfarthest the furthest you 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:35.319 can get from McDonald's. The closest town the McDonald's that close. 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.080 It's Tona, paw, Nevada. So if you do go there, 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.680 you're you're still in good shape because there is a 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.759 burger king and a subway in that town. Oh, they 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:48.800 have a two they have a two s. It's a 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:50.960 little cute. See it's a little cute. See. I think 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:52.799 he needs to find another way to figure out the 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:58.760 remotest spot. I like this one. I really like this one. Um, 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.360 it's a little far. It's a little outside of our wheelhouse. 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.239 Uh here at me eater. But I think that a 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.440 good fact checker spencer, when you finish up the squirrels, 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.600 how they bite, how they do bite the balls off 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:17.760 squirrels would be would be are there really twenty four 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:21.880 ingredients or whatever the hell it is in McDonald's French fries. 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.560 I didn't Well, I don't know if i've heard that claim. 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.240 Is that like some old marketing that I wouldn't be familiar. 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:29.920 I don't think it's the thing that they're proud of. 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.680 It's damn sure. Not a potato and some salt and 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:38.320 oil it's they make a slurry. They make a slurry 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:42.040 and then form that slurry back into the shape of 0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:49.239 a French fry that gets frozen and fried nineteen ingredients. 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.279 Is that true? That would be a good one for you. 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.800 And I Loving County was in the Panhandle. The Yana 0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.120 westicado stick planes for you people that don't speak that 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:04.200 whatever language, asticago is Okay, one more for you, Spencer, 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:07.320 one more, one more thing I'd like you to explain. Okay, 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:15.279 the most instagram places outdoor places in America. This is 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.680 another article that I wrote as part of our Barroom 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:22.560 Banter series. And uh, this this isn't something that's like 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:27.920 new coverage. Um, the USA Today has looked at a 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:32.200 similar thing before. Other websites have looked at this. They've 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.840 always looked at like the most Instagram places in the world, 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.120 the most Instagram places in the United States, things like that. 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.840 But nobody he has looked at the most Instagrammed outdoor 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.840 places in each state. So that's that's why this list 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.319 was unique. And I gathered this by looking at what 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.880 The USA Today had already done some other websites, and 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.920 then also using data available from Instagram with hashtags and 0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:59.399 tags and things like that, and looked at the most 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.040 instagram in places in every single state. And here's another segue. 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:08.680 Wyoming's was, of course Yellastone National Park. So it all connects. 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.279 Did did you guys look at this list at all 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.439 of the most instagram places we're waiting to talk about. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.520 I'm looking at it right now. Okay, okay, is there 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.560 anything that stands out to you? Like, what do you 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:22.920 think of Michigan's Michigan's is Silver Lake sand Dune State Park. No, 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.040 that doesn't check out. No, that that doesn't surprise me, 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:28.680 It doesn't shock me. Yeah. So from the fifty that 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:32.640 I gathered here, there were fifteen state parks, ten national parks, 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.360 eight beaches, six lakes, three city parks, three national forests 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:43.120 or monuments, and then five miscellaneous locations. And the miscellaneous ones, 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:48.960 uh were examples like I think Hawaii had a volcano. Um, 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:54.880 what was another one somebody had? Uh? There was just 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:58.080 some some oddballs like that. But my favorite miscellaneous ones 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.600 were in Nebraska and Iowa and as the South Dakota, 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.640 and I'd like to rag on those states any chance 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.640 I get. In this list made it real, real easy 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:12.120 because Nebraska's most instagrammed outdoor place is Volos pumpkin Patch, 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.840 which I thought was really great, really, I really enjoyed. 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.120 Why is that, I wonder? I don't know, especially when 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.279 you look at the states next door right, like like 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:23.680 south Dakotas is Badlands National Park, which is an incredible area. Uh, 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.520 and then you just get a little bit south and 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:30.239 you have Valist pumpkin Patch in Nebraska. I was, well, 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:32.880 pumpkin patch might be one hell of a place. Maybe. 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.160 I'm I'm so intrigued by finding that out. I want 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.719 to go next time I'm i'm driving through car is 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:41.560 the bridges of Madison County. Yeah, and there's a picture 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:43.320 of these in the article. Did you look at the picture? 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:49.000 It's it's six of these rural bridges that are apparently 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.080 very popular to go take pictures in front of and 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.279 tag it's certainly like probably the most unique place. Well, 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.080 you know, there's that old love movie the Bridges of 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.759 Madison County. I did come across at looking the sun. 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.319 I don't know if that's that's why, or if this 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.200 is just like that's that's totally why. It's because of 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.719 the Old Love movie The Bridges of Madison. How old 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.480 is it though, and is it would it like from 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:17.560 my lifetime? Yeah, it does seem something appreciate that. I 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:22.280 think this is like Sorority Girls in nearby cologies that like, 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.080 I think it's a cool place. I don't think some 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.160 old movie. It's a good point because the people that 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:33.400 love that movie probably aren't instagramming too much. Now, White 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.439 Sands National Monument in New Mexico surprises me a little 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:41.880 bit because there's so little it's a hard place to 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:45.160 get to and there's so little traffic going through there. 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.000 It's stunning. You can see it on like you know, 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.919 you can see it from outer space, you can see 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:55.120 it from real high satellite imagery like this like weird 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:59.360 ass patch of white in the state. But it surprises 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.960 me that people that that it's that it's difficulty to 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:07.360 get to didn't change that didn't make it a lower score. 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.920 That's probably one of like there's not very many examples 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:13.000 on this list where like we would actually want to 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.920 go to and hang out. These are like very popular 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:20.080 areas obviously, as as you can see on the list 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.720 the lakes. The Lakes were like a cool example though, 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.360 because pretty much every lake on this list has like 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:29.040 really quality fishing like Martin and Alabama, like Norman in 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.800 North Carolina Lake they Ozarks and Missouri, like Mini Tanka 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.640 in Minnesota, Kentucky Lake in Kentucky. Those are all like 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:38.360 regular spots for bass fishing tournaments. They all have like 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.080 some of them have good whalleye fishing. So like, as 0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:43.160 far as places we would actually want to visit, I 0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:45.800 think the lakes are are a few of the a 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.880 few of the examples on this list. Did uh when 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:53.280 you pull this list together, did you feel, um, proud 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:56.000 of your fellow man or did you feel disappointed by 0:58:56.000 --> 0:59:00.560 your fellow man in his predictability? Mm hmm, that's a 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:06.080 good question. Um. Part of the list though, is like 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.520 also manipulated by me, Like I could have left out 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.280 beaches in city parks if I wanted, but there was 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:14.880 just like an overwhelming like what you would count as 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:17.680 an outdoor place. There's just like an overwhelming amount of 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:22.440 states where those were like head and shoulders above something 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.200 like a state park or a national park or something 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.640 like that. So when you see all the city parks 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:29.800 on the list and the beaches, it's a little bit 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.400 disappointing that like that those are you know, some of 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:37.000 the most popular Instagram places, meaning like for New York 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:39.320 to be Central Park, is the Central Park count as 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.880 an outdoor place? Right? I think that the people who 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.040 go to Central Park, they would argue that it very 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:46.440 much does. That's what I'm saying for for some people, 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:50.360 like the beach or a city park is the outdoor 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:53.880 So I felt like that's why those were worth including. 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:55.800 If you want to see the full list all fifty 0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.720 of these again, this is on our website. Barroom Banter 0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:04.200 the most instant grammed outdoor places in each state. Thank 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.480 you very much. I really like the uh the graphics 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:10.400 that someone did for barroom Banter. That's a whole big 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:14.760 conspiracy that what's the conspiracy that it's based off that 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.680 bar in Miles City. He told me that we used 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:20.480 to spend a great deal of time and that is 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:24.280 who did it. The Montana Bar. It's just called the 1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:26.640 Montana Bar. It's down the rope from the Bison Bar. 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.600 I used to practically live there. In the window, they 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:34.280 have an audubon. They have a full sized amount of 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:38.200 what's regarded as a as an extinct big horn sheep species, 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:41.640 the autumn the audubon sheep, which now they also got 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:46.120 a lot of stuffed heads of trail steers that used 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:47.960 to do that. They used to run on the trail 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:51.360 runs from the Texas up to Montana. For the double winter. 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.640 They got some leads steers in there. There's a bullet 1:00:55.680 --> 1:01:00.400 hole in there still from when someone there was some 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.840 kind of shooting in there there. That's the thing you 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:06.280 could do too, is famous bullet holes and bars, because 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:10.960 you know, here's the deal is frequent in many of them. 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:16.920 The Slippery Noodle, Independianapolis. There's a bullet hole in Lake 1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:20.520 Independence or Independence Lake by Marquette in Michigan. You know 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:25.360 the um You know Robert Travor, the writer, and he 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:29.160 wrote Anatomy of a Murder. You know the story Anatomy 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:31.680 of a murder. The Anatomy of a Murder is based 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:34.480 off an actual murder. It's like and Jimmy Stewart. They 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:40.280 did a film and Jimmy Stewart played the prosecutor in 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:43.400 Anatomy of Murder. And it was written by a novelist 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.240 who he was an avid fisherman and wrote a lot 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:50.520 about fishing, but he actually not He wrote a novelization 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:53.200 of something that actually happened to him in his life. 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:56.400 And there was a guy and a woman living at 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.200 a campground, and the guy was stationed there to work, 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:01.880 like on a some kind of military installation, and his 1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:08.240 wife and he's off working. Very jealous husband. He's off working, 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:12.760 and supposedly he gets concerned that his wife is running 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:15.160 around with some other dude who's living at the campground. 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:19.400 On the night of the murder, she like sees a 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:21.880 bear in the campground, gets a little scared by the bear. 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:23.600 I could be getting certain parts that's wrong. But I've 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.560 been to all these places. I slept in the campground, 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.720 went to the bar. He She gets nervous about a 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:31.360 black bear hanging around the campground, and that's why she 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:34.840 explains she had to head down to the bar. That's 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:38.800 her story, the bears in the campground. Therefore I went 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:42.840 to the bar. Other folks believe that she was down 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:47.000 in the bar because she had taken to She had 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:50.800 established in a morris is that is that the right word? 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:57.840 Amorous and amorous relationship with some local heavy. The irritated 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:05.920 husband goes down there, he kills the guy and the 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:08.280 bullet hole. Supposed he's still in the bar when I 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:09.640 went in there. And I said, I want to see 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:13.960 the bull hole. The guys said, well, the problem is, 1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:17.080 you know this is the whole everybody says is the 1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:21.600 bull hole behind the bar, But back then the bar 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:25.000 was around that wall. So he's like, I don't know. 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:26.920 He goes, you know, you're the first guy to come 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:28.320 in here and asked him about the bullet hole in 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.720 the bar. But yeah, the great movie Anatomy of a Murder. 1:03:30.880 --> 1:03:33.480 Jimmy stewart'son. He's always fishing. Brook shot wrapping him up 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.800 in newspaper. Have you never seen this? Never seen it? 1:03:35.920 --> 1:03:38.200 I'm in there, I'm in you haven't seen bridges in 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:42.000 Mason County. I don't think this has Robert Travor, He's 1:03:42.040 --> 1:03:47.080 written some of the most beautiful stuff about fishing. Why 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:53.080 are you looking at me like that? I'm okay, that's 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:55.040 his pen name. What's his real damn name? Well, I'm 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:57.200 somebody pull this up. People need to know about this. 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:01.040 I'm gonna answer Yanni's question about the epic for barber Manage. 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:03.720 He was made by Hunter Spencer, who is a listener, 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.760 a reader, a watcher of meat eater uh and he 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:09.880 is awesome at what he does. Can I interrupt. Good 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:14.520 job Hunter. His name was John D. Volker. His pen 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.760 name was Robert Traver. Go on, I'm proud of the 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.240 bartender for actually telling you what's what instead of just 1:04:21.280 --> 1:04:24.560 being like, oh, yeah, here's the bullet hole, getting y'all 1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:28.200 happy about it, waiting for that five dollar tip. That 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:32.960 would you wanna hear someone? One of Robert travers famous 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:37.160 quotes about fishing, he says, I fished because I love to, 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:41.160 because I love the environs where trout are found, which 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:44.960 are invariably beautiful, and hate the environs where crowds of 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:52.000 people are found, which are invariably ugly. That I got, yea, 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:57.280 So tell you what you're telling him. I already told him. 1:04:57.480 --> 1:04:59.920 What's the scandal about the sign? Well, it's just the 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:01.720 way that Spencer told me. He's like, I found this 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:04.880 guy and he's really good at at design and art, 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:08.080 and his name is Hunter Spencer. And I just thought, 1:05:08.760 --> 1:05:12.560 I thought, really, his name's Hunter Spencer, right, I wouldn't 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:14.520 buy that we should, yeah, we should pay him to 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:17.800 do this art for my stuff. I was like, oh yeah, 1:05:18.360 --> 1:05:20.480 it turns out it turns out I was wrong. You 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:24.360 did get ahold of guy? Well, like we did for 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:26.760 a while. We we had we identified one of our 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:29.560 internet trolls. We started to think it was the flip 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:33.120 flop pleasure because the internet troll would know things. I'm like, 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:35.280 how do you know that? And then I was like, 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:40.240 Seth knows that? And everything started tod started to add 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:42.760 up for like everything that he would say. We'd be like, 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.120 guess what we're announcing next week and he'd be like, 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:47.240 it's up, you know, And I'm like a son of 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:50.600 a bit, I'm like, who would possibly know this? Like 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:52.600 Seth would know that because he was in the car 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:54.280 one day when I was talking about it. He's got 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:58.919 a mustach him. Oh yeah, he did. He'd get real hot. Yeah, 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:02.280 just get real hot when we bring it up, like 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:04.880 the like the kind of hot that only made me more. 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:08.000 Have you disproved it? Because we were able to disprove. 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:10.880 Hunter Spencer is a real guy, big fan of Mediator. 1:06:10.880 --> 1:06:16.520 Shout out to him, wonderful job. Yeah, like, uh, Hunter Spencer, 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:20.280 would you just hand the check to me and I'll 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.120 get it to him. There's a chance that it's a 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:26.040 long con and Spencer has created Instagram account and been 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:31.320 doing it for years. He probably bought some of Cow's paperwork. 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.959 Here's a so much scarity. Not that's right. I wish 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:37.120 I was that talented he does. He does an awesome job, 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:38.800 and you're gonna be seeing more of his stealth on 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:40.560 our website. So he's come up with some good ship 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:45.400 Man and Barroom Banter is also powered by Element. Powered 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:49.160 by Element, we have a new title sponsor series, I'm 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:52.760 Drinking It Too. Yeah, just like just like on X 1:06:52.840 --> 1:06:55.320 is a title sponsor this year, Podcast Element is a 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:59.000 title sponsor. A barbroom Manter. They make it all possible, Steve, 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:01.680 I know you like their stuff. Ben really likes their stuff. 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:04.400 Maybe too much. Yeah, snort it right off the table. 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:10.560 Keep keeps. You will hydrate. It's what I'm telling you, Ben, Ben, 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:12.800 you're in the now that you're well hydrated. You're in 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.440 the hot seat. Now give us walk us through the 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:20.960 Brent but the Brent Bone Bearitax story. Now, that's what 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:24.680 you get from reading stuff and not here, not not knowing. Yeah, 1:07:24.720 --> 1:07:26.160 we've had a few guys on our team that have 1:07:26.200 --> 1:07:27.920 helped me work on this same longer help me work 1:07:27.920 --> 1:07:30.000 on this. And he was calling him Brett Bone for 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.160 about six months, where I corrected it, but Bond, Brett 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:37.080 Bond insane story this. Yeah, I'm not. I'm you know, 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:40.640 I'm impressed with you have a computer in front of 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:42.280 you there, Spencer. I don't want to go too far 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:45.200 behind the scenes. I don't, so I'm just gonna recall 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.120 this from memory, so it may not sound quite as 1:07:47.120 --> 1:07:51.920 slick Spencer's stories. But do you want to borrow his computer? No? No, 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.360 I think I can get it. You guys have all 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:58.240 seen what we'll just call it's hard to describe, although 1:07:58.240 --> 1:08:01.160 we try to describe it in in the podcast. And 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:05.440 then everybody's seen the picture. Everybody's seen the It's like 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:08.520 the Kennedy assassination. Everybody knows they were when they saw 1:08:08.560 --> 1:08:10.800 the picture. I can tell you where I was. Matt 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:14.320 Cook sent to me and I said, bullshit. Yes, that's 1:08:14.320 --> 1:08:17.160 the best part about this that every I when I 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:19.759 first saw it. Miles Nolte, I'm sure all you guys, 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:21.720 all the guys on our crew saw this photo because 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:23.640 I walked around showing it to people as I'm sure 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.639 you invariably do to get their reaction. Most people's reaction 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:28.439 when they see the photo it's not a breat Bond, 1:08:28.439 --> 1:08:32.799 It's of his father, Glen Bond his he was attacked 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:36.559 by a bear on not the Highway in Alaska. The 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:41.679 bear ripped through with its jaws, and its claws ripped 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:45.160 through the kind of took a chunk out of the 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:47.439 center of his face. You know i'd put it, how 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:49.600 would you put it? Yeah? I thought about it a 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:55.639 great deal. Imagine that you're imagine that you're I don't see. 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:56.800 I don't want to do this in any way that 1:08:56.840 --> 1:09:01.160 would to be disrespectful. It be like opening up a 1:09:01.200 --> 1:09:06.840 person's face like a pair of butt cheeks. Yeah, I'll leave, 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:10.160 thanks that you ain't coming on that stripped away, I 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:14.479 mean stripped away. But it's not anything like that. Tomorrow 1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:22.800 I think about it. Yeah, sorry, let'st It's not too 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:28.840 hard to describe. It's I mean, it's like basic anatomy. 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.479 And I think there's been enough sort of like gore 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:36.800 in media like done that's so that's similar. It's like 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:40.280 someone's face has been taken off and it's sort of 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:44.200 like you can still tell that there's life. It's it's 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:47.880 almost like a skull with still muscle attached to it, 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:51.000 and there's eyeballs that you can tell have life in them. 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:53.639 And there our teeth there that you can still tell 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.759 our attached to jaws that work, but there is no skin, 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.519 and it's like it's like a more of like a 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:02.439 skull with flesh on it as opposed to like a 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:07.120 human face with skin. Dab, please, I just I only 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:09.439 want to take a dab because the opening up the 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:12.760 butt cheeks. One, dude, that's not right. It's not even 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:15.680 I don't know where it came from. I was trying 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:17.679 to support this is my next dab. Okay, it would 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:19.600 be like if you took your skin a knife and 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:22.639 made an opening cut up the center of someone's face. 1:10:22.680 --> 1:10:24.799 So you start below their chin and make your opening 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:28.760 incision like you're gutting a deer up and then skin 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:33.280 down each side a little ways. How's that big? Ways? Yeah? 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:36.320 Skin down a ways. I think if you combine Jannie's 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:41.320 and yours and remove the butt cheeks, you got what 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:43.519 it is. And I think that there's a couple of things. 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:45.559 And I said no, I said, that's like, I don't 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:47.160 know what that is, but that's that's like a fake thing. 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:49.960 I think there's a few. You gotta kind of start 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:52.719 with the emotionality of seeing the photos now, there's videos 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:56.040 as well. Brett tells me there's a minute plus video 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:58.760 that because this is where this all began, there's a 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:02.920 minute plus video of his dad talking. And if you've 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.960 seen the photo, you've invariably seen the clip that Brett 1:11:05.960 --> 1:11:09.400 Sheridan his Instagram of his dad talking, shards of flesh 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:12.840 hanging down over what would be his lips. Can you 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.840 back up to what exactly the pre attack or are 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:18.240 you gonna get there the people if you need to 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:20.160 dress like where this because you said on the highway 1:11:20.160 --> 1:11:23.480 and I think that that might lead people. Yeah, yeah, 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.599 this it's so. I think he where this all starts 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.080 is the imagery, because this is the thing that that 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:31.600 brought me to this, that brought most people to this, 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:35.120 It certainly brought me to it. It was a strategical mission. Yes, 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:40.360 and we'll get there, and we've we've that's show. I 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.439 want to show Steve how wrong he was. Show he's 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:44.960 showing me how little it resembles anything to do with 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:47.640 If your butt cheeks look like that, you've got a 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:49.479 bigger problem than listen to this podcast. I think it 1:11:49.479 --> 1:11:52.679 looks like if you when you like have a rifle 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:55.120 and you shoulder shoot a deer and then you skin 1:11:55.160 --> 1:11:58.160 away the hide like what you have left there. It's 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.719 just like that kind of carnage. Good. So the video 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:05.360 that that Brett Bond, So we'll just start here Brett Bond. 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:11.400 Earlier this year March mid March, Brett Bond shares a 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:15.560 series of images and videos on his Instagram's at BBB Alaskin. 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:18.280 You go there and look, and at this time guy's 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:23.040 got a couple hundred followers, eight nine followers. He shares 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:26.719 this video and this photo, and there's another, there's there's 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.720 a series of I believe seven images. One of the 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:33.640 images is his dad sitting on a snow machine with 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:37.080 this big eight ft grizzly bear laying in front of him. 1:12:38.560 --> 1:12:43.840 Kind of dead, real dead. The next that's the leading photo. 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:46.640 But then you you scroll past that, you get to 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.759 see the photo of his dad without a face. Scroll 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:54.479 even further you get to see his dad talking, speaking 1:12:55.000 --> 1:12:57.840 rather normally muffled because of the shards of flesh that 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:00.200 are hanging down over what would be his lips, which 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:03.599 are peeled away, the shards of flesh that are hanging 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:05.920 from what would have been his nose which just peeled away. 1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:10.120 One of his eyes. I mean it's gone. His face 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:14.639 just isn't attached to his skull anymore. A curtain. Yeah, 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:20.040 it's just it looks it's it's the most surgical. It 1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:22.320 almost looks surgical. As you said, you could take your 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:24.880 skin and knife, slide down the middle and peeled that 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.760 thing away. Has this like weird violence to it, but 1:13:27.800 --> 1:13:30.639 also it looks surgical. And this is important for later 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:34.360 on because how he recovered is it's important that we 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:40.120 know that this was not this bear didn't really harm 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:42.880 any of the bones in his face and cartilage. It's 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.320 just kind of skin and flesh peeled away. So now 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:48.439 it looks like a horror movie where he's through the 1:13:48.479 --> 1:13:51.200 shards of flesh and blood. You can see his teeth moving, 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:55.120 you can almost see the bone above his teeth, his 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:58.280 gums are kind of peeled away. And he's explaining that 1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:02.080 this bear came. He said, it came fast, came at 1:14:02.080 --> 1:14:04.400 me fast. There's other clips I've seen where he's he's 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:07.240 explaining where the bear was. And so this is the 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:12.080 first time officially anyone has ever seen this officially ever 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:15.479 seen this shared by the person who actually is revealed 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:18.599 by this dude's kid so this is earlier this year. 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:22.880 I got sent this to me. I'm sure everyone here 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:25.920 did a hundred times. I fund the d M s 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:29.200 M and I think it's important to note that it's 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:34.439 the first emotion is bullshit, No way not true, because 1:14:34.560 --> 1:14:36.439 you know, I still haven't called my buddy Matt Coach 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.080 to tell him that I'm you know, he because he 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:41.920 was coming to me for like, could this be the 1:14:42.000 --> 1:14:47.160 expert insights, which I was like, yeah, said, that's what 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.000 makes us think. So there's that there's so many elements 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:51.360 to this, but it's one of the things that makes 1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:57.240 it so amazing. So one of the other photos in 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.599 in this seven photo run on Instagram is a photo 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:03.120 taken in a place in was Cilic called diamond D 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:07.280 Custom Leather, and it's the owner of Diamond D, Glenn 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:10.200 and Brett and it is roughly I think, nine days 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:15.120 after the attack. And if you look at it, okay, 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:18.280 Glenn Bond, seventy seven year old father of Brett Bonn, 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:24.040 looks like he got attacked years ago. When you see 1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:27.440 the nine days after, his face looks like it's completely 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:29.480 gone and there's no way that it could be reconstructed 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:33.679 or that he could survive. Nine days later, he's looking 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:38.759 pretty good. What nine days later he's shopping. He's shopping, 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:41.800 He's going, he's visiting a leather store. He's going, that's 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:44.639 where I wind up having a that that's where I 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:47.080 and I didn't even know this, but that still is 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:50.000 puzzling to me. There's there's there is a cascade of 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.759 puzzling events that you each time you're like, no way. 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:55.840 And I've talked to and other people on our team. 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:58.240 I have talked to Joe Fernado and say, I'm longer 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.760 than the plastic surf. They had three surgeons. We've talked 1:16:01.800 --> 1:16:05.559 all three of them. Yep. We've talked to the rescue 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:09.200 pilot who rescued him, and we'll get to that. We've 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:11.719 talked to other hunting guides that were on the scene. 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:14.400 We talked to a retired sheriff from Wyoming who was 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:16.519 on the scene when they arrived back at the lodge. 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:20.720 We've talked to Brett Glenn, their mother, Lorraine. I mean, 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:23.120 so we've covered anything that you think might not be true, 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:25.280 because a lot of this will sound like it's not true. 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:27.800 We've covered off on it, and there's and there's people 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:30.960 involved that are credible, have no reason to lie, and 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:35.479 can confirm basically every insane detail of this. And we 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.720 had to do it because yeah, you like quadrup Will 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:39.720 checked it because you had to because every time you 1:16:39.720 --> 1:16:42.920 hear it, you know there's no way it's impossible. So anyway, 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:44.640 that's what's that funny, Like a funny thing as a 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:49.400 journalist too, be that someone tells you something and then 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:51.320 you have to be you have to say, um, you know, 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:56.160 with all due respect, I'm gonna call some people to 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:59.120 make sure you're telling me the truth. It's awkward. Yeah, 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:00.840 well there's an elm. Are you gonna be like? Is 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:02.920 there someone to can corroborate this? It's kindly, well, what 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:05.400 are you saying? Well, that brings up an important element 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:07.080 of this story, of the many things we got to 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:10.960 go through to get through it. This. So the photos 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:13.559 weren't taken this year, they weren't taken last year. They 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:15.200 weren't taken a year before the photos were taken. In 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.840 four years, he said on him for four years. Four 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:22.080 years he sat on him, as he describes, and you'll 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:24.120 you'll learn even more about this. This is informed by 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.280 another thing that happened to Bretton he sat him because 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:29.920 they're a private family. They did not want any fame 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:31.720 from this. And you guys will know we cover bar 1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:33.519 tax all the time. Bar tax are a chance to 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:36.120 get seen, to tell your story. People want to know, 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:39.559 especially something is insane as the photos and videos that 1:17:39.600 --> 1:17:42.240 Brett Bond had on his phone. So for four years, 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:46.960 these things were sequestered basically on his phone. He may 1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:49.320 have texted him to a few people, he may have 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:53.040 shown them the few people, but to his admission, that's 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:59.639 where they stayed. Unfortunately, at the Diamond Custom Leather, which 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:03.639 was is let's say, four years before where they took 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:07.320 that photo. Nine days after the attack, Brett's mom, Lorraine Phillips, 1:18:07.400 --> 1:18:11.120 who's there with them at the shop, asks if Brett 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:13.400 doesn't mind sending some of these images to some of 1:18:13.439 --> 1:18:16.439 the family members that are there for custom of the 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:20.280 owner of Custom d Leather he makes he makes holsters. Yeah, 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:23.080 he makes holsters, and and Brett was using we haven't 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:25.200 even got here and we'll get it. He was using 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:27.840 one of these holsters Brett was when he saved his dad, 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:31.880 Glenn's life from the bear. And so they're there and 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:34.559 they text a couple of these images specifically the one 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:38.240 that you'll see of them and custom in the leather shop, 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:41.040 the three of them, and the photo that we were 1:18:41.120 --> 1:18:44.960 just describing of the non butt cheek fully removed face. 1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:48.040 So these two things essentially the leak out onto the 1:18:48.040 --> 1:18:51.519 internet because the fit the mother wants to to be 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:53.280 kind and share some of these images with some of 1:18:53.280 --> 1:18:54.960 the folks that they're there in the shop that day, 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:57.840 particularly I think the owner's daughter. But this isn't I'm 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.880 not it's not clear exactly what happened. We talked to 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:04.880 the current um guy who runs that shop and he 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:08.439 confirmed that this happened. The Raine Phillips confirmed that this happened. 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:12.320 They share these images on a message board. We don't 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:15.200 know what message board. We don't know exactly what they 1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:18.000 shared the images at the time that they were taking 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:22.080 so we're talking April believe it's like April when they 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:24.799 were in the shop, So somewhere in this general timeframe 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.080 they share these images out onto a message board. And 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:30.320 you guys all know how message boards are, and you 1:19:30.360 --> 1:19:33.960 know how the internet is in the in and we 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:36.200 won't go through all the details because we've also sussed 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:41.280 this out pretty far. In the four years following that 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:46.280 message board share these images that Brett Bond shares himself 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:48.559 for the first time four years later become an urban legend. 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:54.960 They are trafficked on many websites. There's fake stories about them. 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:58.360 They were assigned to a gentleman named Wes Perkins who 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:01.160 was attacked in very much the same wise Glenn Bond. 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:06.880 I believe in two thousand eleven, so West Perkins. Somehow 1:20:07.320 --> 1:20:09.759 we were never able to like nail down the exact 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:13.120 moment when someone said, Hey, that's West Perkins. The Bond 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:15.720 family believes they know who it was and and they're 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:19.840 suing that person. But this is what kind of gets 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.720 to the point where Brett Bond wants to share these 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:26.200 images now, because four years later, this thing has been 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:30.360 called a hoax, It's been assigned to another man, it's 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:34.400 been spread around the internet for clickbait, it's been it's 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:36.800 been mistreated in this way because the real story isn't 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:49.720 out there. Can I I want to make sure I'm 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:52.000 getting this all. You're gonna have to do this a 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:55.080 lot of thing and then anyone else who might just 1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:56.679 I just want to double check out a couple of things. 1:20:56.920 --> 1:21:01.200 The timeline, the mauling happens. He takes pictures the day 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:03.679 of the malling. Nine days later, he takes pictures at 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:09.200 the Double D Diamond Dad. Right away the Diamond D 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:12.280 people like, hey, can we see those pictures? He shares 1:21:12.320 --> 1:21:15.559 the pictures. Then the pictures spread out over the course 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.720 of years years, years and is but is the kid 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:23.799 that took the pictures? Is he aware? So he's aware 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:26.760 that the photos he took her being he's aware, miss 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:30.720 construed and agitated, but he knows that this is going on, 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:34.160 extremely aware of it, agitated by its not a surprise. 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.400 Now they're not like, oh, we didn't know I got you. 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:38.639 So he's like, what the hell, that's that's my dad 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:43.080 to this guy, this fellow West, that the did he 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:46.639 somehow take ownership and make some sort of monetary gain 1:21:46.720 --> 1:21:50.840 off these pictures? So how's he getting sued? They this 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:53.160 is something that we've not nailed down, so I don't 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:56.639 want to bring an It's kind of people to get sued. 1:21:56.760 --> 1:21:59.240 And then it turns out there's no standing. West isn't 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:02.560 getting Steed sue the reporter that the Bond family believes 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:08.120 fabricated the West Perkins story connected to the imagery is 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:12.400 getting that's possibly getting sused. I mean they believe he 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:14.559 fabricated the story and then sold it to other outlets 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:16.720 to make money. That's what they believe. So he are 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:20.120 using using the West Perkins story in the Bond images profited, 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:23.000 which I mean, you know West Perkins. If you we 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:25.559 won't go through West Perkin's entire story, but if you think, 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.840 if you read his story, it is eerily similar to 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:31.960 that of Glenn Bond. But if this dude, not to 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:34.400 get too off track here, but if this dude, if 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:37.840 this journalist, he was using pictures to which he didn't 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:41.600 have permission. And I won't mention all the websites, some 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:43.559 of them you will know they're in our industry, and 1:22:43.600 --> 1:22:48.640 we've talked to people at these websites journal journalistically. They 1:22:49.520 --> 1:22:52.000 sold these things as click bait, right West Perkins man 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:54.920 with no face, West Perkins Man with no face all 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:57.320 the way up to and I will mention this guy's name, 1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:00.439 Tom Mirandy. You guys know Tom Mirandy I ended myself 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:03.040 to one time. We are two months into this investigation 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:05.680 and it was a legitimate investigation. And shout out to 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:09.439 Joe and Sam for for helping with this. Tom Miranda 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:13.080 post this is after. This is months after Brett Bond 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:17.400 has posted these images on his Instagram. Tom Miranda post 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:20.879 images on his Instagram and says, check out West Perkins. 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:25.479 This is this is a month ago, check out West Perkins. No. 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:29.639 I used to buy Tom Miranda's d not DVDs, VHS tapes. 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.439 One of the kids I had like water trapping with 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:35.280 Tom mirandas so Tom rand is the best. Just imagine 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:37.120 for me like that. It just highlights the fact that 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:39.360 the Internet, you just put this stuff in the blender 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:42.080 that is the Internet, and it shoots out weird things 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:44.760 at weird times. And so we ended up just saying hey, 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:49.040 just bye bye the bye. Tom. No, you're using someone 1:23:49.080 --> 1:23:53.120 else's images. You're attributing to them too, something that's not 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:56.200 true for to get some traffic on your Instagram. And 1:23:56.240 --> 1:23:58.160 what to think about that? He said, Well, I got 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:01.240 it from this story from the America Shooting Journal. It 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:03.919 was passed on to me from an outfitter in Africa. 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:10.040 So well, that American. It's like okay, that American, yes, 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:12.880 and that American Shooting Journal article. If you google today, 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:16.000 I think Brett Bond bear attack it, it might come up. 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.559 It comes up in the first page, and so are 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:21.439 we gonna get to hear the actual barytax? Okay, that's 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:23.160 where people can plain. And when we did a podcast 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:24.720 about this that it took too long to get to 1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:29.320 the very tach story. But there's so much I don't care. 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:32.120 So here we go. So now we're at the point 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:35.360 where we have the first element of this, where there 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:39.439 is a conspiracy. There is this internet urban legend around 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:44.880 these images. All this stuff has happened. Brett Glenn, their 1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:49.120 their mother slash wife, Lorraine. They know about this. It's 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:52.280 agitating to them. So this, among other things, leads to 1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:55.080 Brett sharing these images. And when he shares the images, 1:24:56.320 --> 1:25:00.880 does he share them as setting the record straight man? No, 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:06.799 he shares them as I want to highlight bear safety. 1:25:06.920 --> 1:25:09.519 Because he's trained, he's he's taking he's trained, he's taking 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:13.200 very constructive n he takes a very constructive and healthful tone, 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.280 saying like, hey, you're in bear country. Check this out. 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:17.519 He doesn't, I mean, I don't. I don't want to 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:21.520 give a spoiler aler but the dudes were hunting grizzlies. Yeah, 1:25:21.760 --> 1:25:25.320 you're you're inviting a certain proximity, which that's a whole 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.000 another thing. There are there, there are some that you 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:30.200 run into some oxym ronic stuff here, but this, there's 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:33.439 this is so detailed and so deep that there's almost 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:35.160 no way you're not gonna run into some stuff that 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:38.880 just doesn't do this story. Um, you know, I stole 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:40.840 this from someone down the road, but this is one 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.599 of those stories that makes its own gravy. Yeah, it's uh, 1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:46.040 it's full of gravy. So if you want to, if 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:47.639 we want to just go back to the actual attack 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:49.240 and we'll go through this briefly, because it's got a 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.960 lot of stuff that it's it's lingering, it's lingering. You 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:54.000 want to know what actually happened. So guy has no 1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:57.760 face and he uh, we know the his his his 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:00.639 face ripped off. We also know that nine days later 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:03.639 he's doing okay generally okay, walking around talking to people, 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:06.880 taking photos. So now those are the kind of facts 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:10.479 the structure of what we know. Well, um, if you 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:12.439 want to get to know bretton Glenn Bond. Glenn Bond 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:15.240 is a retired teacher. They're both natives of the Solo, Alaska. 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:17.760 Brett Brett Bond is a thirty three year old hunting 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:19.960 guy he's been a hunting guide basically his whole life. 1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:22.559 You go to his Instagram, you look around. This dude 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:25.920 is an Alaskans. Alaskan like he's hunting, fishing. That's what 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:31.280 he does. He guides all year round. He guides bears, cariboo, whatever, 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:33.680 everything you know that to be available in Alaska. This 1:26:33.680 --> 1:26:36.760 guy's done it. Pretty hardcore outdoorsman. His dad is a 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:39.840 similarly hardcore outdoorsman, but he was a retired teacher and 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:43.040 also a hunting guide in his free time. These guys 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:46.840 have had scrapes with bears over the years. His his 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.639 dad was charged by a bear with a client one time. 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.439 There's this whole story that you can read about or 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:55.400 listen to in our podcast. So these guys know their 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:59.240 way around this country. They're not rookies. There's no way 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:02.200 to think that they want to know exactly what they 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:04.160 have to do. In fact, Glenn Bond has killed a 1:27:04.240 --> 1:27:08.320 charging grizzly before, so he knows he knows what to do. 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:12.360 So these guys, they've been hunting together since Brett was seven, 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:16.639 he's now thirty three. His dad's seventy seven, and they 1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:18.360 decided that they want to go on a bear hunt. 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:21.559 It's in April. I think I want to say April, 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:23.840 yet it's and it's in early April. Bears are just 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:25.599 coming out of their dens, are still in their dens. 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.839 They're gonna take a snow machine up the DENIALI Highway 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:32.519 into the mountains. It's not on an actual highway from 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:37.839 a lodge twenty five miles they went on snow machine. 1:27:38.120 --> 1:27:39.519 So I'll just trying to speed this up because it 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:43.160 take awhile a snow machine they're gonna they drive. He 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:46.280 describes in detail that morning. He said it was it 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.679 was a beautiful morning. It was just starting to get warm, 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:51.519 so the snow was starting to melt. So they didn't 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:53.280 want to get too far away because they didn't want 1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:55.320 to get into a situation on two snow machines where 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:57.639 they couldn't turn back if the snow was to melt 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:02.880 too much. And so Brett and Glenn come upon what 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.200 they think is a den hole in the side of 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:08.759 a hill. This this hill is pretty has a pretty 1:28:08.800 --> 1:28:11.280 steep slope going down to where they have parked their 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:16.760 snow machines. And they see brett SE's tracks going in 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:21.000 and then possibly tracks going around the backside of this den, 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:22.960 this hole in the side of the mountain. So they 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:26.439 have this conversation, what are we gonna do? They're looking 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:27.840 for a bear. They're pretty sure there might be one 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:30.679 in there. Brett decides he's gonna go back and check 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:33.240 for the check for these tracks, exiting tracks to see. 1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:36.880 He goes up this hill, up this slope around the den. 1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:42.760 He's checking for tracks. He hears screaming. His father is, 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:46.840 as he's described it to me, behind him, maybe a 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:52.640 hundred yards maybe less, down a slope. Glenn Bond is 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.280 sitting on a snow machine like facing the den. Basically, 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:02.360 this bear comes essentially charging out of the den. Brett 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.599 remembers hearing Glenn saying he's coming out. He's coming out, 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:07.559 He's coming out, And before he can turn, he sees 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.920 just a flash of fur. This eight foot grizzly comes 1:29:09.960 --> 1:29:13.960 out of the den and and basically as Brett describes it, 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:15.960 takes his father like a rag doll and just throws 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:18.680 him down there. But his dad's lining up. Try to 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:21.280 get a crack, so his dad, so his dad has 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.679 had this happened before. He's got a rifle in his hand. 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.799 He gets a crack at it, as the bears running, 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:32.240 he pulls his rifle up and again he's done this before. Blouch, blouch. Well, 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:35.080 it turns out the bear had just dipped down into 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:39.599 a little depression in the space between Glenn and the den, 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.720 and he shoots over the back of this spear and 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:47.040 he's got you know, seconds, and it's on him and 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:52.799 they're they're rolling down the hill together. And so Brett 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:57.240 turns around and sees this happening. And the reports from 1:29:57.280 --> 1:29:59.720 the folks that investigated the scene state fit. While they 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:02.839 fish the investigating scene, his footprints look like an Olympic 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:06.679 track athlete, like he doesn't, you know, as he would 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:09.439 have describe, he doesn't really remember what exactly he did. 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:13.080 He pulls his three fifty seven pistol from his diamond 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:15.880 de holster. Three seven. I think it's three fifty seven. 1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:17.680 I don't want to get it. I might be wrong 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.519 about that. He pulls his pistol. This is where this 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:23.200 is pretty. This is where the internet trolls. Yeah, they're 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:30.559 gonna say no, They're like, oh, three seven, I'm sorry, Brett. 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:33.519 Meg means you don't have to shoot twice or you know, 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:36.080 I'm sorry if it was if it wasn't a three seven. 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.240 I'll go, I'll I'll amend this if I need to, 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:42.439 we can look it up. But pulls his pistol and 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.760 just sprints towards it, towards his dad, his dad. At 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:48.320 this point, the bears on top of his father. All 1:30:48.400 --> 1:30:51.320 that Brett can see is the bear and his dad 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:56.519 and blood. Then this is there's melee. They're screaming. As 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:58.960 you would try to imagine what might be happening here. 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:03.479 He runs to his dad, pulls up his pistol I 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:10.960 think or three h something, and he dumps a couple 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:15.240 of rounds into the vitals of the bear, and at 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:17.760 this point the bear kind of stumbles off. His dad 1:31:18.560 --> 1:31:22.000 stands up. He shoots it in the chest. It comes 1:31:22.040 --> 1:31:24.800 down a little bit. Then at some point in all 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:27.920 of this, shoots it between the eyes as it's coming 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:31.160 at him, and he describes He's like I knew, I 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:32.920 just knew I had to keep between my dad and 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:35.040 the bear. And at some point I knew if I didn't, 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:37.600 if this shot didn't go exactly where it needed to, 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:40.479 I was dead. My dad was dead. And this is 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:42.599 all I mean, this is, you know, imagine this happens 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.400 in the span of thirty seconds, who knows there's no 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:48.200 way to tie him it out, so that all of 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:51.760 this happens. And if you you know, if you think 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:56.439 about like it's it's here's a guy that's trained in survival. 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.960 He's he's trained in back country medicine. He's a guy 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:02.280 he kind of understands this. So I think some of 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:05.000 this for him, if I was just judging his action, 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:07.400 some of him is just what he would do for anyone. 1:32:07.840 --> 1:32:11.639 But there's an element of he gets this done. As 1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:13.840 he describes it. He describes in a pretty calm way, 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:16.320 like hey man, I ran down the hill and boom, 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:21.519 boom boom. This bear is dead. So bears dead. He 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:26.200 describes thinking he's gonna seeing his dad in a pool 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.120 of blood, thinking he's gonna arrive to his father being dead, 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:31.560 or the last moments of his father's life, you know, 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:34.320 one or the other. Not thinking that. So he gets 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:40.160 over there and he says that his dad is while 1:32:40.240 --> 1:32:42.200 his face is torn apart, he's got some injuries in 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:44.519 his wrist. His dad is complaining about his wrist injury, 1:32:45.080 --> 1:32:47.360 not really understanding. I don't think what's going on with 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:52.320 the face, and Brett tries to do a bunch of things. 1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:56.000 He checks his father for bleeding. He determines that there's 1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:59.360 no arterial bleeding. He's not gonna bleed out in any way. 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:01.400 That the main he did your damages to the face. 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:04.840 So he takes off his handkerchief, tries to tie it 1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:07.759 around his dad's face as you might try to repair 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:10.439 the damage. His dad immediately begins to choke on his 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:15.000 own flesh, and so at this moment, at this point, 1:33:16.400 --> 1:33:25.040 his dad is talking fairly coherently. Doesn't seem like other 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.200 than him complaining about his wrists, seems like he can 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:29.839 he can have a conversation with his son. The physical 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:32.240 act of talking, though, looks like it would be really hard. 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:34.559 And there's a whole bunch of other as we get 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:36.160 down the road in the stories, a whole bunch of 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:39.040 other things that happened that you just you don't think 1:33:39.080 --> 1:33:40.519 with an injury like that that he would be able 1:33:40.560 --> 1:33:43.519 to pull off being that cogent or at the physical 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:45.439 act of moving your mouth up and down, when your 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:47.559 tongue up and down and making the words come out, 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:49.800 not just the mental state, but like actually being able 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:54.200 to the physical words physical part. So you know, fast 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:58.760 forward to how this video gets made. Glenn Bond never 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:01.280 loses control once I think he realizes he's not gonna die. 1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:03.639 Brett realizes he's not going to die. In the moment, 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:07.320 Glenn Bond is the toughest person I've ever heard of. 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:12.800 He never loses control. He's extructing his son what to do. 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:15.559 He instructs his son to take this video so his 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:17.800 moms so they can in case he dies or something, 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:21.280 that his mom will know what happened. And so there's 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:23.320 somewhere out there's a minute long video of a man 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:27.839 with no face just explaining these things, explaining what happened essentially, 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:32.599 and so a bunch of things happen takes him about 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:34.720 an hour, I believe, if I'm recollecting that right, about 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:36.320 an hour to get on the snow machine and head 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:38.240 back to the lodge where they were staying. It's about 1:34:38.280 --> 1:34:40.000 twenty four a little bit over a twenty four mile 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:42.880 ride on a snow machine. So so Brett loads his 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.760 dad up behind him and they ride. I think it 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:49.160 takes another hour to get back to the lodge. All 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:51.400 the while his dad is his back there with he 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:55.200 can't cover his face up. There's there's not a whole 1:34:55.240 --> 1:34:58.000 lot you can do other than just ride the snow machine. 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:01.719 And to this point again in he reiterated, this guy 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:04.640 is with it. He is telling his son what to do. 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.519 He's telling his son to like, we gotta calm down, 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:10.280 we gotta stay calm, we gotta this is what we 1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:13.439 gotta do. They were they able to radio for help 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:17.559 ahead of time? Yes, I believe that they did, because well, 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:20.280 they radio for help. But they're staying at a lodge 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:22.960 that's pretty far out there. In the story that we're 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:25.519 working on. We continue to work and we talk about 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:29.080 exactly how far the lodge is from the nearest town, 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:31.760 and then the town from the nearest hospital. This all 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:34.639 comes into play when they finally get back to the lodge. 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:38.639 They meet a guy there named Dan, asked us, who's 1:35:38.640 --> 1:35:41.800 a sheriff in Wyoming, and he I believe his Bret's godfather. 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:44.160 He's got a relationship to the family. He's there, he 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:47.000 knows them. He's the first person who sees them come back. 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:49.960 He this is a guy who's been a sheriff. He's retired. 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:51.720 He's been a shaff for forty years. He's seen some 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:55.320 ship he's seen some people shot He's seen some awful things. 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:57.760 He says, the worst thing he's ever seen his life. 1:35:57.960 --> 1:36:00.760 By the time they do a twenty a mile ride 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:04.640 back to this lodge, the skin, the flesh that was 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:06.720 you can see in the video, is now sluffed off 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:09.360 of his face. As they described it to me, the 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.360 chin is exposed. Like a chin you imagine you're the 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:19.040 bones underneath your chin is now exposed. So they now 1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:20.920 have to go to They go to the owners of lodge. 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:25.320 They start calling for metaback helicopters to come take him hospital. 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:29.000 They so they do all of this while this is happening. 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:31.439 They can't get anybody to commit to come. I think 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:33.479 they the owners the lodge that they went through two 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.519 or three phone calls before they could get somebody to 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:39.920 commit via weather timing location that they were safe to 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:41.919 come and pick them up and ferry them to the hospital. 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:44.479 While this is happening, Danes is out there trying to 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:48.880 keep everybody calm. He tries to give He describes this 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:52.320 moment where he's trying to give He's asking Glen Bond, Hey, 1:36:52.320 --> 1:36:54.360 what can I do for him? Glen Bond says, I'd 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:57.080 like to get a sip of water. He puts to 1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:59.080 get some water, puts a straw in it, tries to 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:02.280 give it to Glenn end can't get the straw in 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:06.280 his mouth, can't get the straw through the shards of flesh, 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:09.400 through the gore and into his mouth, and it can't drink. 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:12.840 So that's just a moment that I'll from that, from 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:14.680 hearing that conversation as the moment I remember, because it's 1:37:14.680 --> 1:37:18.040 just like it notes how ridiculous all of this really is. 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:22.519 So at this point, they finally get ahold of a 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:26.840 guy named Brett Westcott who's a Medlife Alaska pilot. He's 1:37:26.880 --> 1:37:28.600 on a U. S. Army pilot in Iraq in a 1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:32.920 bunch of places. Great dude, badass dude. He agrees that 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:35.080 it's safe that they can fly. They're gonna go pick 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:37.479 him up at the lodge and ferry him to Providence Hospital, 1:37:38.120 --> 1:37:42.080 the best hospital in Alaska, most of They're gonna go there, 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:44.960 pick him up, take him there. He lands. He describes 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:48.519 he's got to flight medics on hand. They land there. 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:51.439 He describes similar. This guy's seeing some ship as well. 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:56.040 He's been through war, he's fairy special operators into missions. 1:37:56.080 --> 1:38:00.559 He's seen some stuff. Same thing says, I've never seen 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:02.800 anything like this in my life. I thought, this person 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:05.439 is gonna die. There's no way. At this point, you're 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.800 really like the pictures are true. Yeah, And this is 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:11.800 where that's where it's important too, because I'm we are 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:14.439 continuing to say like there's no way, and we're not 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:16.640 even to the most amazing point. I don't think, but 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:20.080 there's no way. And then you get these people that 1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:23.000 have no reason to lie, that have no reason because 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:25.000 we I won't I won't mention the names of the people. 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:28.720 Along the investigation, we ran into people that said this 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:34.719 is bullshit. People in high ranking spots in Alaska fish 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:37.280 and game other places. They won't say this on the record. 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:41.680 We've had I had biologists. They're saying the photos bullshit. Yep. 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:44.120 I just thought another thing. It looks like never mind, 1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:50.640 he had your chance. Anyway. So this Brett West got 1:38:50.800 --> 1:38:54.519 another really good interview. He really talks about what happens 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.760 when they come to pick him up and you show 1:38:56.880 --> 1:39:00.920 him the picture and he says, yep, oh yeah, yep, 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.439 it's worse. He picture doesn't do it justice. That's what 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:06.759 he says. He says. By the time again, by the time, 1:39:07.800 --> 1:39:10.439 oh This is hours later when he arrives all this 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:13.400 skin that was kind of newly ripped open, ripped off 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:16.559 of the skull of Glenn. Bond has kind of through 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:19.320 a snowmobile ride through time, laying around trying to drink water, 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.240 all these things has kind of like peeled itself away, 1:39:22.360 --> 1:39:25.200 fallen away. The weight of the flesh has pulled it 1:39:25.240 --> 1:39:28.920 away from the face, and so he he describes this 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:32.240 as they're getting I don't I'm sure how to turn 1:39:32.320 --> 1:39:37.080 this over. But as they're getting Glenn onto the helicopter, 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:41.120 Brett Bond, who has has been a hero to this point, 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.120 is taking photos as a cell phone. Now he's taking 1:39:44.120 --> 1:39:48.479 photos of the badges of the flight medics and the pilot. 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:50.519 There's a quick verse I have to do a quick 1:39:50.600 --> 1:39:52.679 version of a story that would take a whole another 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:55.000 podcast to tell at this point. So when Brett is 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:58.560 taking photos of these people's name tags, the plan is 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:02.599 to take Glenn to Providence Hospital, which again it says, 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:05.640 the top hospital in Alaska. If your face is messed up, 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:10.360 you're gonna want to go there. Probably Glenn and Brett 1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:14.000 both refuse to go there. They want to go somewhere else. 1:40:14.000 --> 1:40:16.880 They will not go to Providence, and I'm gonna I 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:19.519 have to go through this quickly. Apologies to anyone that 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:21.840 was involved in this that really wants to the true 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:26.920 story out there. We'll get it out, promise. The what 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:33.599 happened years before. Brett Bond is on a bear hunt 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:38.200 years before five six years before this attack. He's on 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:41.160 a bear hunt. He has incredible insomnia, doesn't sleep for 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:45.240 ten fourteen, doesn't sleep for over ten days. Comes back 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:49.040 to to Wasilla, goes to the hospital. They give him 1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:52.000 some some steroids in predator. They think he just has 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:57.519 a who knows what. They think he has just terrible insomnia. 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:01.240 This keeps getting worse. His parents bring him back to 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:04.040 Providence Medical. Bringing back to the doctor eventually makes it 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:08.799 the Province Medical. He goes through a psychotic break, psychotic 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:13.240 episode that lasts months where I read a five hunder 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:16.439 page legal document of discovery from all of the all 1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:19.679 the doctors and nurses that treated Brett Bond. He goes 1:41:19.720 --> 1:41:25.200 through insane ordeal over six or so months, where he 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:27.920 is he doesn't know where he is. He thinks all 1:41:27.960 --> 1:41:30.679 the doctors are FBI agents. There's there's reports in these 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:32.880 medical documents I read where he's in a shower with 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:37.439 his clothes on, defecating in his own pants. He has 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:41.400 a prolonged psychological battle where they are giving him heavy 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:46.600 doses of steroids and other drugs. His parent that his 1:41:46.600 --> 1:41:51.120 his mom, Lraine Phillips, his dad. They're Jehovah's witnesses and 1:41:51.200 --> 1:41:54.960 so they don't believe in medicine. They believe the medicine 1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:57.000 is the problem. So they have a battle with the 1:41:57.040 --> 1:42:01.880 Providence Medical team over this. Eventually, the Providence Medical team 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:06.960 bands the parents from the visiting their son. They only 1:42:06.960 --> 1:42:10.320 give him like a couple hours a week to medical custody. 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:12.519 So eventually this goes into the courts. They take metal 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:16.920 I am skipping over so much, but they there's some 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:20.880 serious foundation laid for them to not want to deal 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:23.120 with Providence medicals. What do you see Their yell review 1:42:23.200 --> 1:42:27.519 that it's not it's not great. So they so I'll 1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:33.640 just say. Eventually, Lorraine Phillips, Bret's mother, they go to 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:38.439 a different hospital. The rain is uh. A nurse is 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.920 after I can't this is just gonna be bad. After 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:45.599 there's a legal battle the state of Alaska. It's medical 1:42:45.600 --> 1:42:49.120 custody of Brett bon because they feel like his family 1:42:49.439 --> 1:42:52.640 is threatening to allow him to die rather than have 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:55.480 him take medicine. This is a whole another thing. Eventually, 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:59.120 this battle gets so intense a nurse is wheeling Brett 1:42:59.120 --> 1:43:02.360 Bond into an l of Later in the hospital, according 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:05.360 to court documents, Lorraine Phillips comes in, pushes, pushes, the 1:43:05.439 --> 1:43:08.679 nurse takes Brandon Brett in the wheelchair, pushes him away, 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:14.479 takes him to a rehab clinic. Uh kidnaps the kid, 1:43:14.920 --> 1:43:17.439 kidnaps her own kid. If there is such a thing 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:20.879 as getting this is This was in the National Spotlight, 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:24.600 International Spotlight. If you google free Brett Bond. This is 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:29.920 pre bit, This is alway pre bar attack. This is it. 1:43:29.920 --> 1:43:32.200 It makes its own gravy. It's a civil liberties case, 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:35.639 had been making its own grades. It's the gravies. It's 1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:40.320 three three layers already think so and I apologized Brett, Glenn, Lorraine, 1:43:40.400 --> 1:43:42.479 I just butchered that. But you guys get the idea 1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:45.720 that there was a national story. They're still telling the 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:49.679 abbreviated version under d arrest, under durest. So I'm asking 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:51.400 for the brief because there's no whether this would be 1:43:51.439 --> 1:43:54.400 just hours and hours um and then folks that they're 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:56.160 gonna be able to explore this whole thing. Yeah, yeah, 1:43:56.160 --> 1:43:58.000 we're gonna we have I have a podcast where I 1:43:58.000 --> 1:43:59.479 talked to Glenn and we went through this. But we're 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:02.200 gonna do more because I think this this needs these more. 1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:06.200 I've talked to Brett's lawyer, um Mario Bird up there, 1:44:06.400 --> 1:44:08.960 and he just he laid it only pretty heavy that 1:44:09.000 --> 1:44:11.679 this is a civil liberties case. There's a term called 1:44:11.680 --> 1:44:14.519 psychological rights that's now involved. There's all these other things 1:44:14.520 --> 1:44:17.439 that we could get into it another time. Anyhow, this 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:20.200 is why Brett and Glenn do not want to go 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:23.680 the Providence. Brett told me he's like the reason why 1:44:23.720 --> 1:44:26.000 I didn't want to go because I spent seven the 1:44:26.040 --> 1:44:29.439 way he puts it, I spent seven months behind the 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:32.960 walls at Providence. He describes like a prison basically in 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:35.479 the quote that he gave me. So anyway, they get in, 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:38.519 they get in the helicopter, they decide they're gonna go 1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:43.120 to Matt su General, which is a hospital um closer, 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:47.639 you know, probably less suited to take on this gets 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:49.880 his name from the Matt Nowskins who's sitting the rivers. 1:44:51.400 --> 1:44:54.439 That's why it's good to be on here. Um, here's 1:44:54.439 --> 1:44:58.320 another point. There in the helicopter, they're flying down some 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:03.120 random valley on the way to Matts New General Glenn 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:07.759 Bond starts directing the pilots on which is the quickert? 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:09.919 How what the quickest way is to get to hospital? 1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:13.160 Here's the mayo of no face. It's hours now since 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:16.360 he was brutally attacked by a grizzly bear, and he 1:45:16.439 --> 1:45:19.280 is coaching enough, can't drink water, but still coaching enough 1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:22.880 to be like, take a left here, head over this way. 1:45:23.680 --> 1:45:26.000 So um, there's another point now you gotta get to 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:28.479 In the urban legend, during those four years where no 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:31.800 one knew about this, there was a point in a 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:35.280 messageboard post that I read where someone said I heard 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:41.000 Glenn Bond never took any painkillers or narcotics and he 1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:46.479 medicined during this ordeal. It's true. So I talked to 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:49.479 Dr Susan Dean, the surgeon who put his face back together. 1:45:50.000 --> 1:45:53.720 Now this is the gravy. Is you're aware of the 1:45:53.760 --> 1:45:56.800 gravy at this point, this is even more it's bubbling. Yeah, 1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:59.720 this is even more gravy for you. This is a 1:45:59.760 --> 1:46:02.920 big pot. Dr Susan Dean is awesome. People that work 1:46:02.960 --> 1:46:04.679 for her. I talked to people in her office. They 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:06.840 she's like a god to them. They love her. She's 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:09.800 a bubbly, effervescent person. When we first talked to her, 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:14.400 she said, I love the gore of plastic surgery, and 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:19.720 I love bears. In her office hangs a sign on 1:46:19.760 --> 1:46:22.920 the front door that says bear feet Welcome. Be a 1:46:23.160 --> 1:46:25.920 r feet welcome. It's got bear signs. The floor mats 1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:28.479 have grizzly bears on him. Her business card has a 1:46:28.520 --> 1:46:32.439 grizzly bear on it. The logo of her practice is 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.759 a grizzly bear. There's grizzly bear pictures, there's cartoon grizzly 1:46:35.800 --> 1:46:39.880 bears everywhere in her office. And she describes herself as 1:46:39.920 --> 1:46:44.280 loving the gore of plastic surgery. So she happens to 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:46.799 be at the hospital that day when when Glenn lands 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:50.200 and needs some help. So she is she's called upon 1:46:50.280 --> 1:46:52.320 to go take a look at this guy. She goes 1:46:52.360 --> 1:46:56.679 in there, she's talking to him. He is. He basically says, 1:46:56.760 --> 1:47:00.559 just do it here, referencing the surgery. Just do it here. 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:03.840 They're in like an e er area. This is, as 1:47:03.840 --> 1:47:06.360 you imagine a pretty pretty complicated surgery. He's like, just 1:47:07.080 --> 1:47:08.960 do some do some local anesthetics and do it here. 1:47:09.920 --> 1:47:11.960 She has to explain to him, Hey, we kind of 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:14.479 we have to clean this up. She makes a joke 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:16.320 that the bear probably didn't brush his teeth before he 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:20.920 ripped her face off. Um. They have this conversation where 1:47:20.960 --> 1:47:24.439 she's trying to convince him to take some sort of narcotics, 1:47:24.479 --> 1:47:27.600 some sort of pain killer, something to help all the 1:47:27.600 --> 1:47:29.480 pain of what it's going to be in an incredibly 1:47:29.479 --> 1:47:32.000 invasive surgery because they must clean his face out. Been 1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:34.880 through this such a long long time, just trying to 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:40.880 heal the pain and take a break regular this one man. Yeah, 1:47:41.160 --> 1:47:45.799 so they have this. They developed this rapport which remains 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:50.360 today years later. He's a hard man. She is. She 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:53.200 sings and roses. I wasn't comment, and I was coming 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:56.000 on healing the pain. Oh yeah, not coming on the 1:47:56.080 --> 1:47:59.080 length of the guns and roses meat. I was singing 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:01.240 that song I've never seen before. Is that on sale? 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:07.200 I believe it is soon dot com dot com? No, yeah, 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:10.360 I was making the pain pain management reference. Good, have 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:14.160 they sent me the so he does indeed refuse, He refuses. 1:48:14.400 --> 1:48:17.360 They sent me even the local anesthetic. There's some local 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:20.439 anesthetic involved, because I think it's impossible, it would be 1:48:20.439 --> 1:48:22.639 impossible to do with that, because it's against his religious 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:25.599 convictions to take medicaid, to take like heavy medication. I'm 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:27.679 hesitant to say that, but that would be the assumption. 1:48:28.040 --> 1:48:29.880 Hesitant to say because I've never talked to him, He's 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:34.639 never spoken publicly on this. His wife, his kid, his kid, 1:48:34.720 --> 1:48:37.880 his wife, you know, talked about him a lot. So 1:48:37.920 --> 1:48:40.200 I'm hesitant to say that's what it is. But all 1:48:40.240 --> 1:48:44.479 intensive purposes, that's likely what led him to refuse those 1:48:44.560 --> 1:48:46.800 that treatment. And they sent me the medical board in 1:48:46.840 --> 1:48:50.480 his hospital room that says, you know, no local, no narcotics, 1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:54.280 no nothing, no blood transfusions, no, nothing like that. And 1:48:54.320 --> 1:48:58.240 so he goes through I can't remember like one surgery 1:48:58.479 --> 1:49:00.559 that lasted three or four hour hours. And if you 1:49:00.600 --> 1:49:02.479 go back to the time when you first saw that photo, 1:49:02.520 --> 1:49:04.280 if I told you that the dude's face was put 1:49:04.320 --> 1:49:07.280 back together in a couple of hours by one surgery. 1:49:07.680 --> 1:49:10.439 He had two other surgeries months later to to fix 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:13.960 his ear. And I believe his I or knows, but 1:49:14.000 --> 1:49:17.040 these are months later. So this is one surgery with 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:22.960 no painkillers. He gets another piece of gravy. They had. 1:49:23.040 --> 1:49:26.679 Most of the rooms in the hospital were full the children, 1:49:26.720 --> 1:49:29.719 so they had to bring him to the children's section 1:49:29.760 --> 1:49:33.760 of the hospital. Lucky kid to recover. He goes into 1:49:33.800 --> 1:49:36.000 his recovery room. It's a children's room. It's full of 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:41.639 cartoon bears, the wallpapers cartoon bears, and so he recovers. 1:49:42.160 --> 1:49:45.599 The bears already come on people with the bears. So 1:49:45.640 --> 1:49:50.360 he recovers. And again, if you get into the relationship 1:49:50.439 --> 1:49:54.160 that Lorraine Phillips, his wife, had with the doctors of 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:57.160 Providence during the Free Brett Bond incident, this is a 1:49:57.240 --> 1:50:00.720 very com bad relationship. It's ridiculously combat it and he 1:50:00.760 --> 1:50:03.760 gets it's it's mixed up in religious ideologies and all 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:06.800 kinds of things, you know, civil liberties. But then you 1:50:06.880 --> 1:50:11.479 have the relationship between Glenn Bond and this doctor Susan Dean, 1:50:12.000 --> 1:50:16.720 which is all about respect, all about talking to each other, 1:50:16.800 --> 1:50:20.519 listening to each other, and they get through this. It's 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:25.160 clean as humanly possible. Nine days he's walking around, didn't 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:29.080 take a didn't visit, visiting the holster shop, and so 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:33.839 she listens to him and all that. So anyway, that's 1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:35.639 that's really not really not the end of the story 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:39.120 even then. But let's say it's a lot. Let's say 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:44.680 it's a lie. What would be the motivation? Like, I 1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:46.400 don't get like what, Like I looked at it him 1:50:46.439 --> 1:50:49.479 like that's not truth, a lie, but like like if 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:51.680 you think about it, like people that still would want 1:50:51.680 --> 1:50:53.840 to say, like, oh, it's not he didn't that didn't happen. 1:50:53.960 --> 1:50:57.400 It's fake. Yeah, what what's to gain? I thought about 1:50:57.400 --> 1:51:00.320 this a lot because I thought about my own livityes 1:51:00.439 --> 1:51:04.120 like bullshit when I first saw it. Now you'll remember, Spencer, 1:51:04.280 --> 1:51:09.400 there was a very fake situation. It was only maybe 1:51:09.400 --> 1:51:11.320 six or eight months before we learned about this Mommy 1:51:11.560 --> 1:51:15.080 the mummy guy who was buried alive, the Russian guy 1:51:15.080 --> 1:51:18.120 who was buried alive by a bear and then discovered cashed, 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:22.000 cashed by a bear. And there's this video online video 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:24.400 of a guy that looks, I mean, it looks so 1:51:24.560 --> 1:51:28.280 real like a mummy, like a mummy. And so that's 1:51:28.320 --> 1:51:32.559 what immediately came to my mid and that that generated 1:51:32.600 --> 1:51:35.080 a lot of clicks I see, So you start to 1:51:35.120 --> 1:51:37.800 think of what is going on here. Some people are 1:51:37.840 --> 1:51:40.240 just pranksters. Some people want to get clicks, some people 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:44.000 like the macabre. Who knows. There's no way to really know, 1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:46.880 but that that came into my mind is like this 1:51:47.240 --> 1:51:50.559 that story because it was completely debunked, but it looked 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:53.559 very real. It was very compelling. We all remember when 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:55.639 it happened. When we were actually in the office, We're 1:51:55.680 --> 1:51:57.800 all walking around going, WHOA, see this, see this, see this, 1:51:58.320 --> 1:52:00.600 and the the origin of that to you, it was 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:02.680 like a motive you wouldn't even think of. It was 1:52:02.760 --> 1:52:06.840 for like the set of some low budget film that 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:08.400 they were just like messing around and trying to figure 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:09.760 out to make up and then this just got out 1:52:09.760 --> 1:52:11.639 on the internet. So like when you ask about a motive, 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:14.759 right like, there's motives you can't even comprehend. That doesn't 1:52:14.800 --> 1:52:17.360 that doesn't even necessarily there's like a motive, but it's 1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:19.479 like just the way people want to put things out 1:52:19.479 --> 1:52:21.760 into the world. And so you know, maybe this is 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:23.800 a real photo and it got distorted, which was the 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:28.400 actual truth? Maybe this is I had people read articles 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:32.240 of full articles of people debunking this as Hollywood special effects, 1:52:32.800 --> 1:52:37.280 as people saying it was completely fake, obviously fake, you know, 1:52:37.320 --> 1:52:42.000 obviously a hoax. I got another question for you, who 1:52:42.080 --> 1:52:45.720 was the guy that the photo was ascribed to, West Perkins. 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:50.120 What's the west EPs say about this? I have I'm 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.160 kind of close to getting hold of West, but but 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:56.320 he's not active about being like, that's not me. I'm 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:59.920 not I'm not positive if he even knows that's what's 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:02.000 really going on. So he might not give a whole 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:03.960 big he might not give a big ship about all this. 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:09.360 And here's another thing this when when this happened, most 1:53:09.360 --> 1:53:12.000 bear attacks like this, especially like this one, are reported 1:53:12.000 --> 1:53:15.920 on somewhere in detail. You know, they're not all national news. 1:53:16.000 --> 1:53:18.280 They're not. I mean, it's we kind of you. You've 1:53:18.320 --> 1:53:22.160 within twenty four hours, you usually, and so if you 1:53:22.200 --> 1:53:24.040 hang out with the right sorts of folks, you're like, oh, 1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:26.920 someone got scratched. You know, someone got scratched yesterday in 1:53:27.040 --> 1:53:29.800 Wyalming or whatever. And so that's what you know. All 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:31.479 this stuff has kind of come back to me where 1:53:31.880 --> 1:53:33.920 a guy got attacked by a guy was riding his 1:53:33.960 --> 1:53:35.880 bike up a big guy and got ran into a 1:53:35.880 --> 1:53:39.479 grizzly bear. Turns out this is earlier this year. Wasn't 1:53:39.520 --> 1:53:46.479 a woman point it was a guy I heard just 1:53:46.760 --> 1:53:49.759 around town. About thirteen different versions of that story before 1:53:49.800 --> 1:53:53.880 I actually read a version that he told gets out, 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:57.920 and so that's what happened here. The West Perkins story 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:01.360 very like I said, very similar to Bret and Glenn Bond. 1:54:01.680 --> 1:54:04.840 It was covered, it was written about, it was covered 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:09.599 in multiple multiple real actual news sources covered that story. 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:12.719 This one didn't get picked up. They made sure it didn't. 1:54:13.000 --> 1:54:15.439 When Brett Bond called it in, he he didn't even 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:17.920 name himself, he said a hunting partner. So if you 1:54:17.960 --> 1:54:21.599 go back and look, you'll see reports. This report got 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:25.000 buried underneath another attack. I believe the teacher was attacked 1:54:25.000 --> 1:54:26.840 in the same area within a couple of days of 1:54:27.160 --> 1:54:30.240 Glen's attack, So it gets buried in some of the 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:32.840 more national stories. I hit you with a quick bar 1:54:33.000 --> 1:54:36.720 check yeah coverage story. My brother is going up a 1:54:36.800 --> 1:54:39.080 river in Alaska, my hunting moose, and they stop and 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:42.160 talk to your dude for a while, and they're dragging 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:44.160 their canoes up a river and they bullshit with the 1:54:44.160 --> 1:54:45.920 guy for a while. They go about their business. They 1:54:45.960 --> 1:54:48.080 go out on the river and hunt moose. They get 1:54:48.120 --> 1:54:50.320 home and everybody saw about a guy that got mauled 1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:54.320 on the river. They're hunting you. It's interesting, And when 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:57.040 they finally see the picture, it's the guy that they 1:54:57.160 --> 1:54:58.840 just talked to you who got mauled the day they 1:54:58.840 --> 1:55:01.800 talked to him. After obviously they shot the ship with 1:55:01.880 --> 1:55:04.480 him go up the river, he gets mauled, and then 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:06.400 like ten days later they come home and hear about 1:55:06.400 --> 1:55:07.680 a guy who got mauled. Look, it was like the 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:09.640 dude they had been rapping with. I hope you I 1:55:09.720 --> 1:55:11.200 was hoping you were gonna say he got mall and 1:55:11.200 --> 1:55:13.640 forgot to mention it before it was after it like 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:16.600 butterfly effect. Though at it's like, had we not taking 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:21.680 up so much of his time? This dude stumbled on 1:55:21.720 --> 1:55:24.320 a gut pile of another moose hunter that had been 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:26.200 claimed by a bear, and to bear scratched him up. 1:55:26.760 --> 1:55:28.800 Maybe I can't remember the dude lived or died, but 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:31.720 he got scratched up pretty good. Anyhow, word gets out. 1:55:32.320 --> 1:55:33.920 That's I mean, there's so much that goes into this, 1:55:33.960 --> 1:55:36.720 and like if you try to really draw some conclusions 1:55:36.760 --> 1:55:38.200 from it, there's so many of them, but one of 1:55:38.240 --> 1:55:40.760 them is give me one. Well, one of them is 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:42.480 the way that we treat this, the way that we 1:55:42.480 --> 1:55:44.120 talk about bear attacks, the way that we want to 1:55:44.160 --> 1:55:47.560 cover them. Why are we so drawn to Barras These 1:55:47.560 --> 1:55:52.480 are sensational, These are life and death sensational stories that 1:55:52.560 --> 1:55:55.480 we're drawn to. And that and because we're drawn to 1:55:55.520 --> 1:55:56.880 him in the way that we are, we tend to 1:55:56.920 --> 1:55:59.600 embellish them, or we tend to a guy told me. 1:56:00.480 --> 1:56:02.960 And so that's one element of this I think. Also 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:05.800 I hit you with the one. I think that there's 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:09.440 something to be said for knowing that there is still 1:56:09.720 --> 1:56:13.240 like real danger from wild animals out there, and that 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:16.880 we harbor a little bit of nostalgia for that ship. Absolutely, 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:20.440 there's that quote about you know, fighting against the wilderness 1:56:20.520 --> 1:56:23.800 until we could become civilized, and then once you're civilized, 1:56:24.840 --> 1:56:28.440 fight against civilization. Yeah, and you can hearn for the wilderness. 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:32.240 I talked to a neuroscientist on my show recently. God 1:56:32.320 --> 1:56:35.200 works the Mount Sinai, and he did some studies on 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:39.720 the predator's brain. They studied mice and they there's a 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:42.280 in the central migdala there's like a pocket of neurons 1:56:42.320 --> 1:56:44.880 that they can they can mess with. Don't ask me 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:47.000 to really get technical, and they can mess with turn 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:48.560 it up or turn it down and see what happens 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:51.280 to mice and their predatory instincts, and he was telling me, 1:56:51.280 --> 1:56:53.960 he's like, based on psychology and based on our brain works, 1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:56.400 we have this there's a duality of respect we have 1:56:56.520 --> 1:56:59.000 for predators, and you can see this in our own 1:56:59.040 --> 1:57:02.360 culture where we we both want to be them and 1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:05.200 their efficiency for killing because that's part of what how 1:57:05.240 --> 1:57:08.720 we got to be where we are, and we also 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:11.280 respect their beauty and their place in the ecosystem. So 1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:13.640 we have this like dual respect for them that kind 1:57:13.640 --> 1:57:16.720 of leads to maybe at some level what we see 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:21.400 in our culture where protectionism and the hate and the 1:57:21.440 --> 1:57:25.320 vitification of predators that's happened through the decades past turn 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:28.960 of the century and even before that. And so that's 1:57:29.000 --> 1:57:32.080 something that after this whole Brett Bond thing that I've 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:34.320 been looking at hard. We've talked to hilarious guyst We 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:37.400 talked to this guy ivand Rajo, who's a who's that 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:40.680 neuroscientist and just trying to figure out what is this 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:44.560 thing and why do we have these opinions about predators 1:57:46.040 --> 1:57:47.960 and somewhere deep down and there's why we're so drawn 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:50.240 to this stuff and why we turn it around and 1:57:50.280 --> 1:57:54.560 make it something it's not remind uh tell folks who 1:57:55.000 --> 1:57:57.600 of the people you just talked to you that they 1:57:57.600 --> 1:58:00.640 can go and hear the story straight from the old Uh, 1:58:00.880 --> 1:58:02.520 straight from the I don't want to say horses mouth, 1:58:02.560 --> 1:58:04.760 straight from the mouth. Straight from the mouth, well, I 1:58:04.760 --> 1:58:06.960 mean from your from from from hunting collect from the 1:58:07.000 --> 1:58:09.000 hunt collective, right, so I can pull it up and 1:58:09.040 --> 1:58:11.680 give you numbers, but you can hear Brett Bond tell 1:58:11.800 --> 1:58:19.040 his story. I think it's one six episode. We then 1:58:19.080 --> 1:58:23.520 talked to that neuroscientists and episode eight just talked to 1:58:23.640 --> 1:58:26.520 Dr Geist last week and actually had asked they asked 1:58:26.560 --> 1:58:32.600 the eagle debut THHC. We brought it kind of resuscitated 1:58:32.600 --> 1:58:35.280 a little bit for Yannie. What you ask him? What 1:58:35.520 --> 1:58:39.360 did you asked him? Does he think the picture is true? Yeah? 1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:41.960 We should. Yeah, I like it, but yeah, I mean 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:43.320 there's a lot of stuff in there. We also went 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:47.160 to um also went to Yellowstone to bring it all back. 1:58:47.200 --> 1:58:51.200 Spencer and and went out with the predator biologist Dr 1:58:51.280 --> 1:58:54.640 Dan Steyler and tracked a mountain lion. Talked to him 1:58:54.680 --> 1:58:57.520 about his you know, he spends his entire life studying 1:58:57.520 --> 1:59:01.240 these predators, wolves, grizzlies, talk to him about that, talk 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:03.280 to him about what he thinks they're placing the landscape. 1:59:03.280 --> 1:59:07.800 Are why we believe, why we kind of ascribe these 1:59:07.880 --> 1:59:11.160 you know, personalities to them, why we have this immense 1:59:11.200 --> 1:59:13.400 respect for them on one side and then this immense 1:59:13.440 --> 1:59:16.240 hatred on the other. So all that is kind of 1:59:16.240 --> 1:59:18.240 wrapped up in or was inspired in some way by 1:59:18.240 --> 1:59:21.760 this Brett Bond story. We were picking huckleberries on Saturday, 1:59:21.920 --> 1:59:27.280 took our kids up with huckleberry We were we weren't 1:59:27.280 --> 1:59:28.880 going to the zone of death. Okay, did you go 1:59:28.920 --> 1:59:32.080 to my spot? But my goodness, did we get a 1:59:32.120 --> 1:59:34.560 lot of them. I heard a good year for him 1:59:34.920 --> 1:59:39.440 in saying, man, we got we picked twin berries, we 1:59:39.520 --> 1:59:46.400 picked thimbleberries, we picked huckleberries, we picked um dwarf whortleberry, 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:52.400 we picked we'll missing gooseberry and in current which are 1:59:52.440 --> 2:00:01.240 hard to tell part anyhow, shipload of huckleberries. But I, um, 2:00:01.320 --> 2:00:04.200 I couldn't not mention the bear situation to my kids, 2:00:05.760 --> 2:00:08.280 so I said, but I wanted to spin it right, 2:00:08.840 --> 2:00:11.320 So I said, if you're lucky enough to encounter a bear. 2:00:13.760 --> 2:00:16.840 That's how I opened it up, like, well, what if it? 2:00:17.200 --> 2:00:18.800 And then I was like we'll cross that bridge when 2:00:18.800 --> 2:00:21.440 it when we get to it, and just no one 2:00:21.480 --> 2:00:23.280 that I now mentioned it. At least let's go pick 2:00:26.160 --> 2:00:28.760 if negligent not to at least bring up the fact 2:00:28.840 --> 2:00:31.600 that you might be lucky enough to encounter one. I 2:00:31.760 --> 2:00:35.640 probably won't happen, but you could get so engrossed in 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:40.080 staring at a little tiny berries rustling through the brush 2:00:40.080 --> 2:00:46.320 on your own, making little squeals of joy. Yeah, my 2:00:46.360 --> 2:00:49.080 son was that the orange bear spray canister. It's like 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:51.240 it's a thing that I'm not happy that he's so 2:00:51.400 --> 2:00:55.680 curious about. But Yeah, that's the funny thing about kids 2:00:55.680 --> 2:00:58.600 embarrass spray is like I'm like, there's the like sort 2:00:58.600 --> 2:01:01.520 of remote chance of needing to spray a bear with 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:03.960 this bear spray. There's the very real chance of my 2:01:04.000 --> 2:01:08.640 kids spraying each other with this. Yeah, because it's this 2:01:08.760 --> 2:01:13.040 orange cand that kid is begging to be shot at 2:01:13.040 --> 2:01:17.560 your your sibling. It looks like that string stuff that 2:01:17.560 --> 2:01:22.200 that they screw it out, what it looks like. They're like, dude, 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:27.240 if I could only squirt that at my sister. Yeah, 2:01:27.320 --> 2:01:28.920 I put him in that little pack and we pack 2:01:28.960 --> 2:01:31.440 around and track charuk hands or whatever, and it's I 2:01:31.480 --> 2:01:34.520 got the bear spray on my hip. He's always like 2:01:34.920 --> 2:01:36.800 I feel like I feel that little hand going down 2:01:37.840 --> 2:01:44.320 ald that thing. All right, man, good stuff? Yeah, yeah, 2:01:44.400 --> 2:01:48.080 what's going on onst You know the feeling you described, 2:01:48.320 --> 2:01:50.480 like why we're interested in bear a tax and like 2:01:50.520 --> 2:01:52.720 how it's just like the amount of danger is exciting 2:01:52.920 --> 2:01:54.840 right when I was talking, when I was talking to 2:01:54.840 --> 2:01:57.840 Brian called the person who found this legal loophole in 2:01:57.880 --> 2:01:59.680 his oone of death. I was trying to verbalize that 2:01:59.720 --> 2:02:01.400 to him, and I was telling him, you know, from 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:04.200 where we're sitting were five miles from that zone of death. 2:02:04.680 --> 2:02:08.120 I was telling it's like kind of liberating knowing that exists. 2:02:08.440 --> 2:02:14.240 It's like strangely exciting knowing that's just like I don't 2:02:14.240 --> 2:02:17.920 know mountain away, right, you just lure someone over there? Yeah, 2:02:17.960 --> 2:02:20.560 And I was telling I was telling him that, and 2:02:20.920 --> 2:02:22.760 he did not feel the same way. His last words 2:02:22.800 --> 2:02:24.960 to me is that he said, I just stay the 2:02:25.000 --> 2:02:32.600 hell away. M hm m hm, stay the hell away, 2:02:32.760 --> 2:02:36.680 not us, Like he feels like maybe there's somebody lurking 2:02:36.720 --> 2:02:41.600 out there wanting to dry. He respects the zone of 2:02:41.640 --> 2:02:45.400 death so much that he would discourage anybody from going there. 2:02:46.440 --> 2:02:49.720 There's just some people out there who hate a legal loophole, 2:02:51.280 --> 2:02:53.880 and I would count him among that class. And that's 2:02:53.920 --> 2:02:59.280 the feeling that you're describing with hunting among grizzly bears. Yeah, 2:02:59.520 --> 2:03:01.520 I don't don't. I don't feel nervous. I mean I've 2:03:01.520 --> 2:03:04.080 heard I've had other You've had other bartech victims. As 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:08.080 I buy on my show, I feel more alert. I 2:03:08.080 --> 2:03:10.280 feel like there's a more visceral knowledge of what might 2:03:10.320 --> 2:03:14.200 happen if I get jumped but still out there. As 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:17.960 my brother said, man, when the time comes and he's 2:03:17.960 --> 2:03:20.120 coming at you, you get him one hand on the 2:03:20.120 --> 2:03:23.440 bottom jaw, one hand on the top jaw. Oh, he 2:03:23.560 --> 2:03:27.160 just said that old, that old Latvian story about load 2:03:27.240 --> 2:03:31.960 the jaws apart until you tire them out, and then 2:03:32.000 --> 2:03:34.320 you three stoogeum right in the eyes. It's two fingers. 2:03:34.720 --> 2:03:37.840 Do you make the three stooges noise? Yeah, he's like 2:03:37.920 --> 2:03:39.880 he lives in no fear, knowing that he's got that 2:03:40.040 --> 2:03:43.800 trick up his sleeve. Which which hand do you do 2:03:43.840 --> 2:03:46.840 the poking with? No, you wait till he's sufficiently tired. 2:03:47.120 --> 2:03:49.160 Then you pull your hand away from the lower jaw, 2:03:49.480 --> 2:03:51.360 zap him in the eyes and then back down to 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:55.240 the bottom jaw to continue the jaws. Bread Bear safety 2:03:55.400 --> 2:04:24.320 perfect