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Speaker 1: you stand with on x so cal You. I know

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Speaker 1: people have been anxiously awaiting any sort of news on

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Speaker 1: you're theft. Yeah, when you're recovering all your things that

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Speaker 1: or or you know the opposite of that, didn't shoot

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Speaker 1: recover some of it. It turned up, yes, Cal's stolen goods. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and folks out there, if you've been anxiously waiting

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Speaker 1: for news of this, you were doing a lot better

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Speaker 1: than I was. I'd just fully given up on anything,

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Speaker 1: but I got a couple of things happened. I got

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Speaker 1: I had been turned down for a Victoria's Secret Pink

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Speaker 1: credit card due to um my credit being frozen, which

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Speaker 1: is something I did uh to prevent any sort of

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Speaker 1: theft because personal information. Not understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So a bunch of my personal information was stolen. Right.

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Speaker 1: So I was trying to refinance my place and get

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Speaker 1: all my taxes done and I was just laying out

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Speaker 1: and they just scooped that whole package up took off

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Speaker 1: with it. Oh and then they, masquerading as you, tried

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Speaker 1: to get a Victoria's Secret Pink credit card. Correct. I

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Speaker 1: don't know there was such a thing. Neither did. All

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Speaker 1: a little while later or several months later, this all

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Speaker 1: check through the drive through just took off. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: and your passport laying there they checks, No, they had,

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Speaker 1: I just learned of this today because I finally got

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. But it was so funny because the

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Speaker 1: detectives like, yeah, I would really watch your credit because, uh,

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Speaker 1: this guy told me that he's been doing this five

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Speaker 1: He's like, he has been forging checks eight hours a day,

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Speaker 1: Is he the dude that actually stole your ship? Or

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Speaker 1: this story the flip flop Flusher's granddad had a hunting

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Speaker 1: Just a funky deal. But anyway, passports back, so it fine.

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Speaker 1: You just get to keep running. I mean you can

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Speaker 1: You really take it all this quite well. Cal I

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Speaker 1: So I got my bread crumb, egg good stuff to eat,

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Speaker 1: horse radish and all that. Then I make little little

427
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Speaker 1: teeny uh flattened patties. So I take I make about

428
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Speaker 1: what you a meatball? I make a meatball with this batter.

429
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Speaker 1: I flatten the meat ball into something that resembles the

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Speaker 1: sort of dimensions, the relative dimensions of a pancake. But

431
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Speaker 1: it's much smaller fits in the palm of your hand.

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Speaker 1: I then roll this and coat that and panco then

433
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Speaker 1: I cook it in a pan until the pan was

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Speaker 1: golden brown. Then you now have something that's like if

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Speaker 1: if the people at Long john Silver's actually knew how

436
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Speaker 1: to cook. It's that crispy, right, crispy outside, beautiful like

437
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: fluffy inside. You've taken us, You've transported us, dude. Is

438
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Speaker 1: one of the best recipes to ever be invented, and

439
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about filming it tonight. So what fish can't

440
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Speaker 1: you do this with? I don't know, do with anything?

441
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Speaker 1: You do with anything. We call them soccer cakes for

442
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Speaker 1: the reason. You know what I screwed up. I screwed

443
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Speaker 1: up a big chunk of halibut that you gave me

444
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Speaker 1: the other day. By the way, you're I mean, I'd

445
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: do it the same way because you just get sick

446
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: of bag and fish. But my god, that's a huge

447
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: Those are giant portions. Well those are those are family packs, man,

448
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: They're not meant for a single man. So I take

449
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Speaker 1: you know, it's I'm like, I wanted to take on

450
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Speaker 1: the challenge of cooking this whole huge chunk al but um,

451
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: you know perfectly, and I had a thermometer in there

452
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: and was doing it on the trigger um, which I

453
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: believe gives you even more leeway. And uh consequently pulled

454
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Speaker 1: it before the thing even got to Tampa according in

455
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Speaker 1: the temperature, because I just knew something wasn't right, and

456
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: sure enough it was super dry. But I turned that

457
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Speaker 1: into uh, you know, basically like fish sandwich. Yeah, and

458
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Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal, very very good, to the point where I'm like,

459
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: this is what aliment should be good. Yeah. I feel

460
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Speaker 1: like with those big chunks, you gotta slice him in

461
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Speaker 1: a half sideways. Yeah, Oh, I Spencer explain. I can't

462
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Speaker 1: figure which of these things I want to explain first, Oh,

463
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Speaker 1: bad news for the um the squirrels eating dots off

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Speaker 1: other squirrels, and even reveal this now that I think

465
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Speaker 1: it's for another time. Spencer has not like that you

466
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Speaker 1: even brought it up. Spencer has not found a researcher

467
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Speaker 1: yet who knows what he's talking about. You need to

468
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Speaker 1: keep You need to do what you're doing science. When

469
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Speaker 1: you get an answer, you don't want to go to

470
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Speaker 1: the next researcher. Eventually you wind up. You need what

471
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Speaker 1: you'll do what corporations do is you'll need to go

472
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Speaker 1: hire a researcher and tell him I need you to

473
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: demonstrate to me that X is true. Got it? And

474
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: they're like, got it? So we'll leave that one hanging.

475
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Our article forthcoming on if if squirrels bite the nuts

476
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Speaker 1: off of other squirrels and just say that yes, knowing

477
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Speaker 1: that they do, it'll be an exploration of of the

478
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Speaker 1: truth of that, the truth of that, And you better

479
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Speaker 1: keep working until you find the right person to talk

480
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: to who satisfies my curiosity. But in the meantime, explain,

481
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: explain the zone of death situation. The Zone of Death

482
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Speaker 1: is part of our Barroom Banter series. And I'm biased,

483
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: but our barroom manter stuff is my favorite stuff on

484
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the Meat Eat Your website. Actually, I'll make a number

485
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Speaker 1: two Pet Dirk and anything Pat Dirkin writes is number one.

486
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Speaker 1: That's my favorite, and then barbroom banter stuff is my

487
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Speaker 1: second favorite. And barroom banter is meant to be wisdom

488
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Speaker 1: that will make you seem smart and interesting from a

489
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Speaker 1: bar stool when you're shooting the ship with your buddies

490
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Speaker 1: and you're like, well, did you know this? Do you

491
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Speaker 1: know squirrels we'll actually bite like that stuff like that exactly.

492
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Speaker 1: Who's who's playing on my toes? Oh yeah, sorry? So

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Speaker 1: the the zone of death. Um, first, when you talk

494
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Speaker 1: about yellow Stone actual park and it's mapping. If you're

495
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Speaker 1: not familiar, you don't live in bow has been like us. Um,

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Speaker 1: you might not know this, but Yellowstone extends into three states.

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Speaker 1: Of it is in Wyoming, two is in Montana, and

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Speaker 1: one percentage in Idaho. And this is bad. Never heard

499
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Speaker 1: the percentages before? This is because but but it predates

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Speaker 1: the states. Yes, eighty two Yellowston National Park was created.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until twenty years later that those three states

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Speaker 1: gained statehood. So does unless I've never understood this well either,

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Speaker 1: But are you gonna explain how like where, how the

504
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Speaker 1: like what the state's role actually is in these states?

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Speaker 1: The states don't have much of a role at all,

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Speaker 1: it turns out, and that's that's all sort of part

507
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Speaker 1: of what creates this zone of death. Okay, So I

508
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Speaker 1: would I would argue that the most interesting part of

509
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Speaker 1: Yellowstone is that one percent in Idaho, despite it not

510
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Speaker 1: having a road, it has one road that's sort of

511
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Speaker 1: like goes through the very corner of it and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, it has some trails, It doesn't have

513
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Speaker 1: any campgrounds. Um, it has like one notable lake, it

514
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: butts up to some other like notable things like the

515
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Speaker 1: Nada Falls. It's very popular hiking destination in that part

516
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Speaker 1: of Yellowstone, but it's not technically in Idaho or the

517
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Speaker 1: Zone of death. So I'm following. Okay. When Wyoming was created,

518
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Speaker 1: the US Court System decided to give all of Yellowstone

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Speaker 1: to Wyoming's District Court. So the entire National Park, including

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Speaker 1: the sections that are in Montana and in Idaho, are

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Speaker 1: part of the Wyoming Court district. Okay, got it? Um?

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Speaker 1: Should I say my questions? Um? I think so? I

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Speaker 1: think so. Alright, So, so all of all of Yellowstone

524
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Speaker 1: is in the Wyoming Court District. Looks utterly baffled. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting patiently. Okay, okay, all of Yellowstone is in

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Speaker 1: Wyoming's Court district, despite the park being in three different states.

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Speaker 1: Now here's what would happen in this Zone of death

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Speaker 1: if you murdered somebody. Okay, say you were in the

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Speaker 1: Idaho portion of Yellowstone and you murdered somebody. How did

530
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Speaker 1: we get there? This? This will explain there. Yeah, this.

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Speaker 1: This looks like I say to Johnny, I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know good uh huckleberry spot Yep, yep, you might

533
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Speaker 1: want to go there at Monday at ten. I'm more

534
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: men like explaining district courts to murder. Okay, so this

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Speaker 1: this this hypothetically you drive, Yeah, this this hypothetical, we're steven. Yeah, logical.

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Speaker 1: Well you know about the states, the percentages and then

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Speaker 1: the killing of another human being, so obviously you're thing Okay,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, ford Za connection, Forza connection. This place, there's

539
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Speaker 1: this place in it happens Steve and Yanni are looking

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Speaker 1: for huckleberries over there illegally. I imagine you can't go

541
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Speaker 1: pick huckleberries and yellows. No, like there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone is a place where you can't. You go to

543
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Speaker 1: not be able to do things. But I believe that

544
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Speaker 1: you can. I think can pick a berry. I can't

545
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Speaker 1: pick up a deer antler. I was just there with

546
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Speaker 1: a park biologist and we found several arrowheads, bunch of

547
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Speaker 1: shed antlers. We touch that stuff, can't touch. It can't

548
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: touch shed antlers, can't touch. I believe you can same

549
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Speaker 1: way that you can catch fish in certain areas and

550
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Speaker 1: keep them. Like, in fact, if you catch lake trout

551
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Speaker 1: and Yelston Lake, you can't not keep it. The fish

552
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: is a good comparison. That's that's a good You can

553
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: eat a are in that park. Okay. I'm not sticking

554
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Speaker 1: up for the park. I wish it would just become

555
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Speaker 1: national forces. We can start close to it, Okay, on

556
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Speaker 1: ideological grounds. So you guys, you guys are legally or

557
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Speaker 1: illegally looking for huckleberries in Idaho's portion, say let's let's

558
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Speaker 1: keep the story going and just say that, Uh, you

559
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing with them, but we are

560
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: looking for huckle bay Okay, not necessarily picking and eating them.

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Speaker 1: Identifying huckleberryes in Idaho's portion of Yellostone National Park is

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Speaker 1: fifty square miles. It's really small. It's just a little slipper.

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Speaker 1: You barely even see it on the map. You guys

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00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: over there looking for huckleberries. Steve Kills Yanni, why, um,

565
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Speaker 1: just like you, I don't know, disagreement over whether you're

566
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Speaker 1: not You guys can eat huckleberries jealous of it's more entertaining,

567
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Speaker 1: like years of angst on us kill Steve Kills Yanni,

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Speaker 1: Steven I think years of like I I like, how

569
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Speaker 1: do I do it? And I just strangled, flat out

570
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: stranglem in the huckleberry bush and then I bury him

571
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Speaker 1: as they do in the woods in a As Norm

572
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: MacDonald points out, it's always a shallow grade. That's a

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Speaker 1: great one. So I put him in the shallow grade,

574
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Speaker 1: put the grid. It's gonna come dig me out. And

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Speaker 1: Steve fest is up to it. Immediately he says, I

576
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Speaker 1: did it. I did it. This is where he's at.

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00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: I did it. Everything that you're hearing is true. Steve

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Speaker 1: tells that to some sort of law enforcement. They take

579
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Speaker 1: you to Cheyenne. Okay, Cheyenne, Cheyenne, Wyoming. That's the state capital,

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Speaker 1: that is the hub of the District of Wyoming's court system. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is it not a federal crime because all of Yellowstone

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Speaker 1: National Park is in the Wyoming court District. Okay, entires.

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Speaker 1: So they take you four hundred seventy miles southeast to Cheyenne, Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: and then Steve says, well, the sixth Amendment allows me

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Speaker 1: to have a speedy, uh and fair trial. Right. So

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00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: then they're like, okay, well here we go. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get this trial set up Now there is also the

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00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: vicinage clause, which means that you have the right to

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: a jury that comes from the district and the state

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00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: where you committed your crime. So what we now have

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00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: is this incredibly tight ven diagram of the state where

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Speaker 1: you committed the crime is Idaho, and the court district

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Speaker 1: where you committed the crime is Wyoming. So now the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors have to find a jury from within that fifty

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Speaker 1: square mile stretch of Idaho. Being on the jury that's Elliston.

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Now here's the probably in there. There's there's not a

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00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: single person that lives there. So you are now allowed

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Speaker 1: to go free because they cannot give you a fair drawer,

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00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: a fair trial made up of your peers that came

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Speaker 1: from the court or excuse me, that came from the

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Speaker 1: court district and the state because they could only exist

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Speaker 1: in that fifty square mile area. You know, you run

603
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: the fact Checker series, you run the barroom Banner series.

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Speaker 1: I think that there needs to be sort of a

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Speaker 1: post modern sort of mash up where fact Checker fact

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Speaker 1: checks barroom. So this this because I just don't I

607
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: don't believe it. This legal loophole was brought up by

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Speaker 1: a Michigan State law professor in two thousand five in

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00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: an article that he published. I called him yesterday to

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Speaker 1: talk about this, and Uh, I had asked him, like,

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Speaker 1: if there's been any more in the Georgetown let me

612
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: find the Georgetown Law Review or something. Georgetown Law Journal

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Speaker 1: two thousand five. Brian coult is his name, and he's

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Speaker 1: like he wrote a piece being like, hey, you know

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Speaker 1: what murder someone. Initially he was looking at, um, how

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Speaker 1: if you come in a crime within a certain distance

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Speaker 1: of like a county line in a lot of states,

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Speaker 1: you can actually be tried in the other county despite

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Speaker 1: it not happening in that county. And he was looking

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Speaker 1: at how that can cause issues with The example he

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Speaker 1: was looking at was a crime that happened in Detroit

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Speaker 1: that was like kind of in the suburbs, but sort

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Speaker 1: of in an urban area, and it had a lot

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Speaker 1: of racial tension in that area. And so depending on

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Speaker 1: where this crime, UH was prosecuted at, would like totally

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Speaker 1: change what the outcome could be. That's what he was

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Speaker 1: starting to look at. And then he came across, UH,

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Speaker 1: this whole thing with Yellowstone and this issue. Now this

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Speaker 1: would not happen, say you guys had the same scenario,

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Speaker 1: but this happened in the Montana portion of Yellowstone, that

631
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Speaker 1: two percent of the Yellowstone National Park that's in mind.

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Speaker 1: We'd have a we'd have it would be all people

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Speaker 1: from Gardener. There's actually forty one people, forty one adults

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Speaker 1: that live in that zone. So they could you'd have

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Speaker 1: you telling me you'd have to go and that's your

636
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: jury pool. Yes, yep, they they would have to find

637
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: so and this this was actually in two thousand you know,

638
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: is if this ever happened, it could only be it

639
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: could only be tried to find that amount of times,

640
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: because the first thing they ask you during your juror

641
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: interview is have you ever served on a Yeah, you

642
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: could try. You could do it three times, assuming that

643
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: all forty of those people are eligible jurors and nobody

644
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: knew moves into the area. That's right as well. So

645
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Brian Coult brought up this issue in his two thousand

646
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: five or article, and it was actually used in the

647
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: court of law. I think it was in two thousand

648
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: seven or two thousand eight. Somebody killed an elk in

649
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Montana's portion of Yellowstone National Park and his lawyer, who

650
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: is now deceased. UM had brought up this Brian called

651
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: paper about the zone of death UM and how his

652
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: trial should have to take place in the Yellowstone portion

653
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: of Montana because that's where the crime happened at and

654
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: how they would have to get a jury from that area. UM.

655
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: The prosecutors had acknowledged that, like, this is an issue.

656
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: We this is going to be like a lot of

657
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: work for us to make this happen and like bring

658
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: charges on this person who shot this elk. And so

659
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: they offered this guy a plea deal, basically saying that like,

660
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: you can't fight this any further, UM, and you know,

661
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: if you take this then it's over with, right. But

662
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: he had said that, like this issue came up then

663
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: and it was a big problem unresolved. It was left unresolved.

664
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: And so I said, when in me killing Yanni, I

665
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: could do like I'll do aggravated assault, but I'm not

666
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: doing murder. They'd be like, okay, bro it it would

667
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: be it would it would like certainly drag out much

668
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: longer than that. And this guy who shot the elk

669
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: chose that option. He chose not to drag it out

670
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and just took the plea deal. But this probably caught

671
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: believes that he could have uh forced their hand and

672
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: made them have the trial in this portion of Montana

673
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: where he killed the elk. Now. I asked Brian if

674
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: he would feel responsible for something or like what what

675
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: his feelings would be if Steve did gil go kill

676
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: Yanni while they were searching for huckle berries, and he said,

677
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: it's been it's been fifteen years. He would be really

678
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: really piste off if this happened because the government has

679
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: not acted on it. And Congress, he said, if they

680
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: decided tomorrow they wanted to change this, they could changes

681
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: it would take like three lines that he his example,

682
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: he said to take five minutes. Wouldn't literally take five minutes,

683
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: but he said he would take five minutes. That's how

684
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: quick this would be to fix this issue. Who said

685
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: to the zone of death? He didn't because he discovered

686
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: it and and his discovery of this has like uh

687
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: it it inspired a best selling novel, a New York

688
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Times bestselling novel called free Fire, and author from Wyoming

689
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: wrote a book where an attorney goes and he kills

690
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: four campers in a zone of Yellowstone that has no

691
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: jurisdiction over Huckleberry's I don't know. It also inspired a movie.

692
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called, like One Provision or

693
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: something like that. And now people are telling me, are

694
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: you guys familiar with the TV series Yellowstone? Yeah, that

695
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: show it. It came up in the Sunday episode like

696
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: three days ago. They talked about They refer to it

697
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: as the train station. I believe so that it's not

698
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: for a lack of awareness that the government hasn't changes.

699
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: He said, they just um like drag their feet. They

700
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: don't think it's a big deal. They think that if

701
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: something did happen, they could still like manipulate wording and

702
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: understandings to still get a prosecution. And he just basically

703
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: said that's no way to treat the constitution. And so

704
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: he would be really piste off if something happened, but

705
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: basically said the blood would be on the government's hands,

706
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: not his own. Mm hmm. It's dark. Yeah, work on

707
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: your hypothetical though, because you could have just had Steve

708
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: killing Elk and it would have been fine. Let's work

709
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: on this. This is more exciting thought. It's not that

710
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: it's not the zone of death, not the zone of

711
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: Elk death, all right, right, And they're like, Okay, the

712
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: cost to the county or the state of Wyoming in

713
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: order to to prosecute this the way it should be

714
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: is going to far exceed what we what we can afford, basically,

715
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: So I asked Brian if like their lack of changing

716
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: this is just pure laziness or what it is, and

717
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: he said, it's it's a lot laziness, but there is

718
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: a point to be made where someone didn't feel inspired

719
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: to change this. A few years after, Brian brought everyone

720
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: like national attention to in two thousand five, and he

721
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 1: said when they looked into changing it, that what would

722
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: then happen is Yellowstone would have some portions that are

723
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: now in the ninth Court Circuit and not the tenth.

724
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Wyoming is in the tenth Montana and Idaho or in

725
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: the ninth and when it comes to like environmental issues,

726
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: that could like cause a lot of problems and open

727
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: up like some potentially big things that could happen because

728
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: now Yellowstone things can like but that already has they

729
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: already bring it to the ninth because they bring they

730
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: bring those lawsuits to the ninth because they know they

731
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: the like the anti hunting crowd brings lawsuits to the

732
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: is it the ninth that's in Missoula. Yeah, Like, if

733
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: you suon against the grizzly bear de listing or soon

734
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: against wolf de listing, you always want to make sure

735
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: it lands in Missoula because then you'll get a judge

736
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: who was like, oh, I don't want anybody to hurt

737
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: those poor things. And if you sue in the lands

738
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: of Wyoming, they'll be like, Wow, we're gonna go with

739
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: States Rights Mountain wildlife management. So that was that was

740
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: never the intention of this too, Like we're gonna manipulate

741
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: the so it gets in the tenth Court District or

742
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: anything like that. That's just like now a product, product

743
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: of it, and a reason that they likely will never

744
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: change it. Okay, two more geographical ones for him, walk

745
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: me through. Um, mcfarthest, mcfarthest. Have you guys heard of

746
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: this before? Only from you, buddy? Okay, Oh you didn't

747
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: coin that term. No, No, A statician did. In two

748
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: thousand nine. He coined mcfarthest statistician statistician good correction. Uh.

749
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: He coined that term in two thousand nine when he

750
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: was looking for what he thought might be the most

751
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: remote place in the lower forty eight. How how would

752
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: you guys measure remoteness. Oh, I've been to the most

753
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: remote place on the continent. No, we're talking lower for well,

754
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: I can tell you they did. There was a lot

755
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: of factors that went into it. It was like proximity

756
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: human population, proximity to road, proximity to fuel. And they

757
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: came out with this thing that it was. You know,

758
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: in the um if you go up the Koebuck River

759
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: to the head of the Koebuck River and then over

760
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: top of the Brooks Range and get to the other side,

761
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I think you wind up in this little area they

762
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: call like the remotest place in the continent. But no,

763
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. He goes by how he goes by

764
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: how far it is from a McDonald's. That's that's what

765
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: he wanted to say. There's a number of different ways

766
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: you can measure this, right, Like, if you want to

767
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: do the furthest you can get from a road. Uh

768
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: now a segue here that would actually land in Yellowstone

769
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: in the other corner of the park. Yeah, yeah, in

770
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: the southeast corner where the zone of death is in

771
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the southwest corner. Gotcha. So that's that's one way you

772
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: can measure it. Uh, surprisingly like you wind up in

773
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: the you'd wind up in the um thoroughfare. M hmm.

774
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: What that zone is called other ways as far from

775
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: a road, that's the furthest from a road in the

776
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: lower forty eight in the southeast corner of Yellowstone. If

777
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: you want to look for the least populous county. This

778
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: really surprised me and landed in Texas. Love County has

779
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty four people. That's point one six

780
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: seven residents per square mile. No ship, Yeah, that sounds

781
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: like Cal's kind of place. Is that the Panhandle of

782
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Texas or in the you know, the stake planes there.

783
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, Yana Sticato, Loving County, Texas, Yanni,

784
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: if you wanna, if you wanna find it, no kidding. Yeah,

785
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: So that's because Alaska doesn't have counties, they have boroughs.

786
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: That's a couple of ways you can measure remoteness. But

787
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: this this person decided it's the furthest you can get

788
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: from McDonald's. And the cool thing about it makes his

789
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: job really really easy. The cool thing about measuring remoteness

790
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: that way is that it can move around then and

791
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: whatever that spot would be is then mc furthest so

792
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 1: in his first version of the map in two thousand nine,

793
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: he found that mcfarthest landed in northwestern South Dakota, which

794
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: is basically the same when we talked about three toes

795
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: of the Wolf or where Hugh Glass got mauled. Right

796
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: there on the ground on the right, right there. Yep,

797
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: that's where the first inclination of mcfarthest landed. But then

798
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: he looked back at the data about a decade later

799
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: and realized that there was a McDonald's closure in Nevada

800
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: that then moved this. Why were they clothes of McDonald's.

801
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: So I touched on this in the barroom banter. I

802
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: went to their YELP page, which still existed despite them

803
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: being closed for a number of years, and it had like, uh,

804
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: let me see he it had fifteen YELP reviews averaging

805
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: one point five stars. I'm gonna read you some of

806
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the quotes here from from the reviews. Uh Spencer, Spencer,

807
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, so, Wendy said, she said, quite

808
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: possibly the worst McDonald's on the planet. Paul said, atmosphere

809
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: three stars, food, one star, service two stars, but the whole,

810
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: the whole brand, and promise that McDonald's is just the same. No,

811
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's the same no matter where you go, Like,

812
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: how do you mess it up? Like we we give

813
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: you the giant bag of fries, do you take the

814
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: fries and put it in our proprietary oil blend, in

815
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: our proprietary friar. This it's meant to rule out, it's

816
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: meant to like rule out human error. This seems as

817
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: I was like a culture thing, like it just didn't

818
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: didn't work there. So Jason in his review said, my

819
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: worst McDonald's experience ever. And then what's interesting about the

820
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: reviews is they're coming from people who like McDonald's. They're

821
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: coming from mcmcdonald's fans. They know the baseline of McDonald's.

822
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: These aren't people like I had never heard of this place,

823
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: but my god, these are play people who are like

824
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: let down, let down by the McDonald's experience at that

825
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: particular McDonald's go on. My favorite review, though, came from Allison,

826
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: was one of the last reviews left of this McDonald's.

827
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: She said the cashier Cody was more stoned than a boulder.

828
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: He had hickeys all over his neck. Well done, Cody's girlfriend.

829
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: So that was one of the final interviews and likely

830
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: why this McDonald's got shut down so mcfarthest because this

831
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: McDonald's clothes moved eleven hundred miles southwest from northwestern South

832
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Dakota to halfway between Las Vegas and Reno. And at

833
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: this new locale you can now get thirteen miles further

834
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: from a big mac. What's that exact locale look like?

835
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: The exact locale it is on now on BLM Land

836
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's actually right on the edge of Area fifty one,

837
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: so you can you can go reach this place if

838
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: you wanted. Uh. So it was like a wild horse

839
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: and a martian that's right standing there right now. This

840
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: is what the person wrote in eighteen when they updated

841
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: the make farthest location, they said, at its center, by

842
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: my calculations, forty minutes of washboards south on the Extraterrestrial Highway,

843
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: and a few clicks to the civilian side of the

844
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: greater Area fifty one perimeter fence, you'll find lower forty

845
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: eight's current mcfarthest spot, a sandy swatch of silver gate

846
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: sage brush just over one hundred twenty miles. As the

847
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: crow flies from the nearest McDonald's how's the business one?

848
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty surprising. You would think that you

849
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: can get further than a hundred and twenty miles from McDonald's.

850
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: That's it. Do you remember now? I don't know, because

851
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: the reach of McDonald's really struck me when we were

852
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: UM one of the Remember, I think Obama took steps

853
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: to normalize, you know, normalized relations with Cuba, UM, which

854
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I think will eventually happen because I think people are

855
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: most people in America have forgot, they've forgotten why we're

856
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: real mad at Cuba. But anyways, they were gonna like

857
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: the hatred, the hatred Waynes. But I remember hearing and

858
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: that's not a big island. I remember reading this article

859
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: was talking about Western you know, or like American corporate

860
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: world's plans for normalized relations with Cube, and I remember

861
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: reading that McDonald's was planning on going into Cuba lightly

862
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: with twenty four stores or like some plan and I

863
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: was like, that's light. So then I thought there must

864
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: be just a lot of McDonald's is around. Man, if

865
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: you want to go visit mcfarthest I put it's uh,

866
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I put a pin for it in the article on

867
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: our website's bar room banter Colin mcfarthest the furthest you

868
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: can get from McDonald's. The closest town the McDonald's that close.

869
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: It's Tona, paw, Nevada. So if you do go there,

870
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: you're you're still in good shape because there is a

871
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: burger king and a subway in that town. Oh, they

872
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: have a two they have a two s. It's a

873
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: little cute. See it's a little cute. See. I think

874
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: he needs to find another way to figure out the

875
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: remotest spot. I like this one. I really like this one. Um,

876
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: it's a little far. It's a little outside of our wheelhouse.

877
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: Uh here at me eater. But I think that a

878
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: good fact checker spencer, when you finish up the squirrels,

879
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: how they bite, how they do bite the balls off

880
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: squirrels would be would be are there really twenty four

881
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: ingredients or whatever the hell it is in McDonald's French fries.

882
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I didn't Well, I don't know if i've heard that claim.

883
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: Is that like some old marketing that I wouldn't be familiar.

884
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the thing that they're proud of.

885
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: It's damn sure. Not a potato and some salt and

886
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: oil it's they make a slurry. They make a slurry

887
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: and then form that slurry back into the shape of

888
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: a French fry that gets frozen and fried nineteen ingredients.

889
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Is that true? That would be a good one for you.

890
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: And I Loving County was in the Panhandle. The Yana

891
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: westicado stick planes for you people that don't speak that

892
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: whatever language, asticago is Okay, one more for you, Spencer,

893
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: one more, one more thing I'd like you to explain. Okay,

894
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: the most instagram places outdoor places in America. This is

895
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: another article that I wrote as part of our Barroom

896
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: Banter series. And uh, this this isn't something that's like

897
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: new coverage. Um, the USA Today has looked at a

898
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: similar thing before. Other websites have looked at this. They've

899
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: always looked at like the most Instagram places in the world,

900
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the most Instagram places in the United States, things like that.

901
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: But nobody he has looked at the most Instagrammed outdoor

902
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: places in each state. So that's that's why this list

903
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: was unique. And I gathered this by looking at what

904
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: The USA Today had already done some other websites, and

905
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: then also using data available from Instagram with hashtags and

906
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: tags and things like that, and looked at the most

907
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: instagram in places in every single state. And here's another segue.

908
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: Wyoming's was, of course Yellastone National Park. So it all connects.

909
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: Did did you guys look at this list at all

910
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: of the most instagram places we're waiting to talk about.

911
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. Okay, okay, is there

912
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: anything that stands out to you? Like, what do you

913
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: think of Michigan's Michigan's is Silver Lake sand Dune State Park. No,

914
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't check out. No, that that doesn't surprise me,

915
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't shock me. Yeah. So from the fifty that

916
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I gathered here, there were fifteen state parks, ten national parks,

917
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: eight beaches, six lakes, three city parks, three national forests

918
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: or monuments, and then five miscellaneous locations. And the miscellaneous ones,

919
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: uh were examples like I think Hawaii had a volcano. Um,

920
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: what was another one somebody had? Uh? There was just

921
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: some some oddballs like that. But my favorite miscellaneous ones

922
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: were in Nebraska and Iowa and as the South Dakota,

923
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: and I'd like to rag on those states any chance

924
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: I get. In this list made it real, real easy

925
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: because Nebraska's most instagrammed outdoor place is Volos pumpkin Patch,

926
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: which I thought was really great, really, I really enjoyed.

927
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: Why is that, I wonder? I don't know, especially when

928
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: you look at the states next door right, like like

929
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: south Dakotas is Badlands National Park, which is an incredible area. Uh,

930
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: and then you just get a little bit south and

931
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: you have Valist pumpkin Patch in Nebraska. I was, well,

932
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: pumpkin patch might be one hell of a place. Maybe.

933
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so intrigued by finding that out. I want

934
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: to go next time I'm i'm driving through car is

935
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: the bridges of Madison County. Yeah, and there's a picture

936
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: of these in the article. Did you look at the picture?

937
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: It's it's six of these rural bridges that are apparently

938
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: very popular to go take pictures in front of and

939
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: tag it's certainly like probably the most unique place. Well,

940
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's that old love movie the Bridges of

941
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Madison County. I did come across at looking the sun.

942
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's that's why, or if this

943
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: is just like that's that's totally why. It's because of

944
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: the Old Love movie The Bridges of Madison. How old

945
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: is it though, and is it would it like from

946
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: my lifetime? Yeah, it does seem something appreciate that. I

947
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: think this is like Sorority Girls in nearby cologies that like,

948
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a cool place. I don't think some

949
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: old movie. It's a good point because the people that

950
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: love that movie probably aren't instagramming too much. Now, White

951
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: Sands National Monument in New Mexico surprises me a little

952
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: bit because there's so little it's a hard place to

953
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: get to and there's so little traffic going through there.

954
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: It's stunning. You can see it on like you know,

955
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: you can see it from outer space, you can see

956
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: it from real high satellite imagery like this like weird

957
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: ass patch of white in the state. But it surprises

958
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: me that people that that it's that it's difficulty to

959
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: get to didn't change that didn't make it a lower score.

960
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: That's probably one of like there's not very many examples

961
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: on this list where like we would actually want to

962
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: go to and hang out. These are like very popular

963
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: areas obviously, as as you can see on the list

964
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: the lakes. The Lakes were like a cool example though,

965
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: because pretty much every lake on this list has like

966
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: really quality fishing like Martin and Alabama, like Norman in

967
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: North Carolina Lake they Ozarks and Missouri, like Mini Tanka

968
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Kentucky Lake in Kentucky. Those are all like

969
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: regular spots for bass fishing tournaments. They all have like

970
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: some of them have good whalleye fishing. So like, as

971
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: far as places we would actually want to visit, I

972
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: think the lakes are are a few of the a

973
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: few of the examples on this list. Did uh when

974
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: you pull this list together, did you feel, um, proud

975
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: of your fellow man or did you feel disappointed by

976
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: your fellow man in his predictability? Mm hmm, that's a

977
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: good question. Um. Part of the list though, is like

978
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: also manipulated by me, Like I could have left out

979
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: beaches in city parks if I wanted, but there was

980
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: just like an overwhelming like what you would count as

981
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: an outdoor place. There's just like an overwhelming amount of

982
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: states where those were like head and shoulders above something

983
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: like a state park or a national park or something

984
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: like that. So when you see all the city parks

985
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: on the list and the beaches, it's a little bit

986
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: disappointing that like that those are you know, some of

987
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: the most popular Instagram places, meaning like for New York

988
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: to be Central Park, is the Central Park count as

989
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: an outdoor place? Right? I think that the people who

990
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: go to Central Park, they would argue that it very

991
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: much does. That's what I'm saying for for some people,

992
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: like the beach or a city park is the outdoor

993
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: So I felt like that's why those were worth including.

994
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: If you want to see the full list all fifty

995
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: of these again, this is on our website. Barroom Banter

996
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: the most instant grammed outdoor places in each state. Thank

997
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: you very much. I really like the uh the graphics

998
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: that someone did for barroom Banter. That's a whole big

999
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: conspiracy that what's the conspiracy that it's based off that

1000
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: bar in Miles City. He told me that we used

1001
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: to spend a great deal of time and that is

1002
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: who did it. The Montana Bar. It's just called the

1003
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: Montana Bar. It's down the rope from the Bison Bar.

1004
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: I used to practically live there. In the window, they

1005
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: have an audubon. They have a full sized amount of

1006
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: what's regarded as a as an extinct big horn sheep species,

1007
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: the autumn the audubon sheep, which now they also got

1008
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuffed heads of trail steers that used

1009
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: to do that. They used to run on the trail

1010
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: runs from the Texas up to Montana. For the double winter.

1011
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: They got some leads steers in there. There's a bullet

1012
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: hole in there still from when someone there was some

1013
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of shooting in there there. That's the thing you

1014
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: could do too, is famous bullet holes and bars, because

1015
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, here's the deal is frequent in many of them.

1016
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: The Slippery Noodle, Independianapolis. There's a bullet hole in Lake

1017
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: Independence or Independence Lake by Marquette in Michigan. You know

1018
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: the um You know Robert Travor, the writer, and he

1019
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: wrote Anatomy of a Murder. You know the story Anatomy

1020
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: of a murder. The Anatomy of a Murder is based

1021
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: off an actual murder. It's like and Jimmy Stewart. They

1022
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: did a film and Jimmy Stewart played the prosecutor in

1023
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: Anatomy of Murder. And it was written by a novelist

1024
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: who he was an avid fisherman and wrote a lot

1025
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: about fishing, but he actually not He wrote a novelization

1026
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: of something that actually happened to him in his life.

1027
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: And there was a guy and a woman living at

1028
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: a campground, and the guy was stationed there to work,

1029
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: like on a some kind of military installation, and his

1030
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: wife and he's off working. Very jealous husband. He's off working,

1031
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: and supposedly he gets concerned that his wife is running

1032
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: around with some other dude who's living at the campground.

1033
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: On the night of the murder, she like sees a

1034
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: bear in the campground, gets a little scared by the bear.

1035
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: I could be getting certain parts that's wrong. But I've

1036
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: been to all these places. I slept in the campground,

1037
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: went to the bar. He She gets nervous about a

1038
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: black bear hanging around the campground, and that's why she

1039
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: explains she had to head down to the bar. That's

1040
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: her story, the bears in the campground. Therefore I went

1041
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: to the bar. Other folks believe that she was down

1042
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: in the bar because she had taken to She had

1043
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: established in a morris is that is that the right word?

1044
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: Amorous and amorous relationship with some local heavy. The irritated

1045
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: husband goes down there, he kills the guy and the

1046
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: bullet hole. Supposed he's still in the bar when I

1047
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: went in there. And I said, I want to see

1048
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: the bull hole. The guys said, well, the problem is,

1049
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: you know this is the whole everybody says is the

1050
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: bull hole behind the bar, But back then the bar

1051
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: was around that wall. So he's like, I don't know.

1052
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, you're the first guy to come

1053
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: in here and asked him about the bullet hole in

1054
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: the bar. But yeah, the great movie Anatomy of a Murder.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy stewart'son. He's always fishing. Brook shot wrapping him up

1056
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: in newspaper. Have you never seen this? Never seen it?

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01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm in there, I'm in you haven't seen bridges in

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01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: Mason County. I don't think this has Robert Travor, He's

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: written some of the most beautiful stuff about fishing. Why

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01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: are you looking at me like that? I'm okay, that's

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01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: his pen name. What's his real damn name? Well, I'm

1062
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: somebody pull this up. People need to know about this.

1063
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer Yanni's question about the epic for barber Manage.

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: He was made by Hunter Spencer, who is a listener,

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01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: a reader, a watcher of meat eater uh and he

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: is awesome at what he does. Can I interrupt. Good

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: job Hunter. His name was John D. Volker. His pen

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: name was Robert Traver. Go on, I'm proud of the

1069
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: bartender for actually telling you what's what instead of just

1070
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, here's the bullet hole, getting y'all

1071
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: happy about it, waiting for that five dollar tip. That

1072
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: would you wanna hear someone? One of Robert travers famous

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01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: quotes about fishing, he says, I fished because I love to,

1074
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: because I love the environs where trout are found, which

1075
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: are invariably beautiful, and hate the environs where crowds of

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01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: people are found, which are invariably ugly. That I got, yea,

1077
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: So tell you what you're telling him. I already told him.

1078
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: What's the scandal about the sign? Well, it's just the

1079
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: way that Spencer told me. He's like, I found this

1080
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: guy and he's really good at at design and art,

1081
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: and his name is Hunter Spencer. And I just thought,

1082
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: I thought, really, his name's Hunter Spencer, right, I wouldn't

1083
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: buy that we should, yeah, we should pay him to

1084
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: do this art for my stuff. I was like, oh yeah,

1085
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: it turns out it turns out I was wrong. You

1086
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: did get ahold of guy? Well, like we did for

1087
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: a while. We we had we identified one of our

1088
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: internet trolls. We started to think it was the flip

1089
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: flop pleasure because the internet troll would know things. I'm like,

1090
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: how do you know that? And then I was like,

1091
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Seth knows that? And everything started tod started to add

1092
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: up for like everything that he would say. We'd be like,

1093
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: guess what we're announcing next week and he'd be like,

1094
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: it's up, you know, And I'm like a son of

1095
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: a bit, I'm like, who would possibly know this? Like

1096
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: Seth would know that because he was in the car

1097
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: one day when I was talking about it. He's got

1098
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 1: a mustach him. Oh yeah, he did. He'd get real hot. Yeah,

1099
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: just get real hot when we bring it up, like

1100
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: the like the kind of hot that only made me more.

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Have you disproved it? Because we were able to disprove.

1102
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Hunter Spencer is a real guy, big fan of Mediator.

1103
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: Shout out to him, wonderful job. Yeah, like, uh, Hunter Spencer,

1104
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: would you just hand the check to me and I'll

1105
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: get it to him. There's a chance that it's a

1106
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: long con and Spencer has created Instagram account and been

1107
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: doing it for years. He probably bought some of Cow's paperwork.

1108
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,959
Speaker 1: Here's a so much scarity. Not that's right. I wish

1109
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: I was that talented he does. He does an awesome job,

1110
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be seeing more of his stealth on

1111
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: our website. So he's come up with some good ship

1112
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Man and Barroom Banter is also powered by Element. Powered

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Speaker 1: by Element, we have a new title sponsor series, I'm

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Speaker 1: Drinking It Too. Yeah, just like just like on X

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Speaker 1: is a title sponsor this year, Podcast Element is a

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Speaker 1: title sponsor. A barbroom Manter. They make it all possible, Steve,

1117
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: I know you like their stuff. Ben really likes their stuff.

1118
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: Maybe too much. Yeah, snort it right off the table.

1119
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: Keep keeps. You will hydrate. It's what I'm telling you, Ben, Ben,

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: you're in the now that you're well hydrated. You're in

1121
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: the hot seat. Now give us walk us through the

1122
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: Brent but the Brent Bone Bearitax story. Now, that's what

1123
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: you get from reading stuff and not here, not not knowing. Yeah,

1124
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: we've had a few guys on our team that have

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01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: helped me work on this same longer help me work

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: on this. And he was calling him Brett Bone for

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: about six months, where I corrected it, but Bond, Brett

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01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: Bond insane story this. Yeah, I'm not. I'm you know,

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with you have a computer in front of

1130
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: you there, Spencer. I don't want to go too far

1131
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I don't, so I'm just gonna recall

1132
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: this from memory, so it may not sound quite as

1133
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: slick Spencer's stories. But do you want to borrow his computer? No? No,

1134
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: I think I can get it. You guys have all

1135
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: seen what we'll just call it's hard to describe, although

1136
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: we try to describe it in in the podcast. And

1137
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: then everybody's seen the picture. Everybody's seen the It's like

1138
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination. Everybody knows they were when they saw

1139
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: the picture. I can tell you where I was. Matt

1140
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: Cook sent to me and I said, bullshit. Yes, that's

1141
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: the best part about this that every I when I

1142
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 1: first saw it. Miles Nolte, I'm sure all you guys,

1143
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: all the guys on our crew saw this photo because

1144
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: I walked around showing it to people as I'm sure

1145
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: you invariably do to get their reaction. Most people's reaction

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: when they see the photo it's not a breat Bond,

1147
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 1: It's of his father, Glen Bond his he was attacked

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01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: by a bear on not the Highway in Alaska. The

1149
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: bear ripped through with its jaws, and its claws ripped

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: through the kind of took a chunk out of the

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: center of his face. You know i'd put it, how

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: would you put it? Yeah? I thought about it a

1153
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: great deal. Imagine that you're imagine that you're I don't see.

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01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this in any way that

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01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: would to be disrespectful. It be like opening up a

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: person's face like a pair of butt cheeks. Yeah, I'll leave,

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: thanks that you ain't coming on that stripped away, I

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: mean stripped away. But it's not anything like that. Tomorrow

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: I think about it. Yeah, sorry, let'st It's not too

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: hard to describe. It's I mean, it's like basic anatomy.

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: And I think there's been enough sort of like gore

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01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: in media like done that's so that's similar. It's like

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: someone's face has been taken off and it's sort of

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: like you can still tell that there's life. It's it's

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: almost like a skull with still muscle attached to it,

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: and there's eyeballs that you can tell have life in them.

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01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: And there our teeth there that you can still tell

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: our attached to jaws that work, but there is no skin,

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like a more of like a

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: skull with flesh on it as opposed to like a

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: human face with skin. Dab, please, I just I only

1172
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: want to take a dab because the opening up the

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: butt cheeks. One, dude, that's not right. It's not even

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know where it came from. I was trying

1175
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: to support this is my next dab. Okay, it would

1176
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: be like if you took your skin a knife and

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: made an opening cut up the center of someone's face.

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 1: So you start below their chin and make your opening

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: incision like you're gutting a deer up and then skin

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01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: down each side a little ways. How's that big? Ways? Yeah?

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: Skin down a ways. I think if you combine Jannie's

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: and yours and remove the butt cheeks, you got what

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: it is. And I think that there's a couple of things.

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: And I said no, I said, that's like, I don't

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: know what that is, but that's that's like a fake thing.

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a few. You gotta kind of start

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: with the emotionality of seeing the photos now, there's videos

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: as well. Brett tells me there's a minute plus video

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: that because this is where this all began, there's a

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: minute plus video of his dad talking. And if you've

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: seen the photo, you've invariably seen the clip that Brett

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: Sheridan his Instagram of his dad talking, shards of flesh

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01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: hanging down over what would be his lips. Can you

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: back up to what exactly the pre attack or are

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: you gonna get there the people if you need to

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: dress like where this because you said on the highway

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,480
Speaker 1: and I think that that might lead people. Yeah, yeah,

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: this it's so. I think he where this all starts

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: is the imagery, because this is the thing that that

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: brought me to this, that brought most people to this,

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: It certainly brought me to it. It was a strategical mission. Yes,

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: and we'll get there, and we've we've that's show. I

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: want to show Steve how wrong he was. Show he's

1204
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: showing me how little it resembles anything to do with

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: If your butt cheeks look like that, you've got a

1206
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: bigger problem than listen to this podcast. I think it

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: looks like if you when you like have a rifle

1208
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: and you shoulder shoot a deer and then you skin

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: away the hide like what you have left there. It's

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: just like that kind of carnage. Good. So the video

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01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: that that Brett Bond, So we'll just start here Brett Bond.

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01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: Earlier this year March mid March, Brett Bond shares a

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 1: series of images and videos on his Instagram's at BBB Alaskin.

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: You go there and look, and at this time guy's

1215
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: got a couple hundred followers, eight nine followers. He shares

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01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 1: this video and this photo, and there's another, there's there's

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: a series of I believe seven images. One of the

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: images is his dad sitting on a snow machine with

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: this big eight ft grizzly bear laying in front of him.

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: Kind of dead, real dead. The next that's the leading photo.

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01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: But then you you scroll past that, you get to

1222
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 1: see the photo of his dad without a face. Scroll

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: even further you get to see his dad talking, speaking

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: rather normally muffled because of the shards of flesh that

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: are hanging down over what would be his lips, which

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: are peeled away, the shards of flesh that are hanging

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: from what would have been his nose which just peeled away.

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: One of his eyes. I mean it's gone. His face

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01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: just isn't attached to his skull anymore. A curtain. Yeah,

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: it's just it looks it's it's the most surgical. It

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: almost looks surgical. As you said, you could take your

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: skin and knife, slide down the middle and peeled that

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: thing away. Has this like weird violence to it, but

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01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: also it looks surgical. And this is important for later

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01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: on because how he recovered is it's important that we

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: know that this was not this bear didn't really harm

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: any of the bones in his face and cartilage. It's

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: just kind of skin and flesh peeled away. So now

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: it looks like a horror movie where he's through the

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: shards of flesh and blood. You can see his teeth moving,

1241
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: you can almost see the bone above his teeth, his

1242
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: gums are kind of peeled away. And he's explaining that

1243
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: this bear came. He said, it came fast, came at

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: me fast. There's other clips I've seen where he's he's

1245
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: explaining where the bear was. And so this is the

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01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: first time officially anyone has ever seen this officially ever

1247
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: seen this shared by the person who actually is revealed

1248
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: by this dude's kid so this is earlier this year.

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: I got sent this to me. I'm sure everyone here

1250
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: did a hundred times. I fund the d M s

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: M and I think it's important to note that it's

1252
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: the first emotion is bullshit, No way not true, because

1253
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, I still haven't called my buddy Matt Coach

1254
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: to tell him that I'm you know, he because he

1255
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: was coming to me for like, could this be the

1256
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: expert insights, which I was like, yeah, said, that's what

1257
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: makes us think. So there's that there's so many elements

1258
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: to this, but it's one of the things that makes

1259
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: it so amazing. So one of the other photos in

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: in this seven photo run on Instagram is a photo

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Speaker 1: taken in a place in was Cilic called diamond D

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01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: Custom Leather, and it's the owner of Diamond D, Glenn

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: and Brett and it is roughly I think, nine days

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: after the attack. And if you look at it, okay,

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond, seventy seven year old father of Brett Bonn,

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: looks like he got attacked years ago. When you see

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01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,440
Speaker 1: the nine days after, his face looks like it's completely

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,480
Speaker 1: gone and there's no way that it could be reconstructed

1269
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: or that he could survive. Nine days later, he's looking

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01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 1: pretty good. What nine days later he's shopping. He's shopping,

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: He's going, he's visiting a leather store. He's going, that's

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: where I wind up having a that that's where I

1273
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know this, but that still is

1274
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: puzzling to me. There's there's there is a cascade of

1275
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: puzzling events that you each time you're like, no way.

1276
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: And I've talked to and other people on our team.

1277
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: I have talked to Joe Fernado and say, I'm longer

1278
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: than the plastic surf. They had three surgeons. We've talked

1279
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: all three of them. Yep. We've talked to the rescue

1280
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: pilot who rescued him, and we'll get to that. We've

1281
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: talked to other hunting guides that were on the scene.

1282
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: We talked to a retired sheriff from Wyoming who was

1283
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: on the scene when they arrived back at the lodge.

1284
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: We've talked to Brett Glenn, their mother, Lorraine. I mean,

1285
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: so we've covered anything that you think might not be true,

1286
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: because a lot of this will sound like it's not true.

1287
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: We've covered off on it, and there's and there's people

1288
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: involved that are credible, have no reason to lie, and

1289
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: can confirm basically every insane detail of this. And we

1290
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: had to do it because yeah, you like quadrup Will

1291
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: checked it because you had to because every time you

1292
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: hear it, you know there's no way it's impossible. So anyway,

1293
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: that's what's that funny, Like a funny thing as a

1294
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: journalist too, be that someone tells you something and then

1295
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: you have to be you have to say, um, you know,

1296
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: with all due respect, I'm gonna call some people to

1297
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: make sure you're telling me the truth. It's awkward. Yeah,

1298
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: well there's an elm. Are you gonna be like? Is

1299
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: there someone to can corroborate this? It's kindly, well, what

1300
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: are you saying? Well, that brings up an important element

1301
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: of this story, of the many things we got to

1302
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: go through to get through it. This. So the photos

1303
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: weren't taken this year, they weren't taken last year. They

1304
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: weren't taken a year before the photos were taken. In

1305
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: four years, he said on him for four years. Four

1306
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: years he sat on him, as he describes, and you'll

1307
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: you'll learn even more about this. This is informed by

1308
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: another thing that happened to Bretton he sat him because

1309
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: they're a private family. They did not want any fame

1310
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: from this. And you guys will know we cover bar

1311
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: tax all the time. Bar tax are a chance to

1312
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: get seen, to tell your story. People want to know,

1313
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: especially something is insane as the photos and videos that

1314
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: Brett Bond had on his phone. So for four years,

1315
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: these things were sequestered basically on his phone. He may

1316
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: have texted him to a few people, he may have

1317
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: shown them the few people, but to his admission, that's

1318
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: where they stayed. Unfortunately, at the Diamond Custom Leather, which

1319
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: was is let's say, four years before where they took

1320
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: that photo. Nine days after the attack, Brett's mom, Lorraine Phillips,

1321
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: who's there with them at the shop, asks if Brett

1322
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: doesn't mind sending some of these images to some of

1323
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: the family members that are there for custom of the

1324
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: owner of Custom d Leather he makes he makes holsters. Yeah,

1325
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: he makes holsters, and and Brett was using we haven't

1326
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: even got here and we'll get it. He was using

1327
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: one of these holsters Brett was when he saved his dad,

1328
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: Glenn's life from the bear. And so they're there and

1329
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: they text a couple of these images specifically the one

1330
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: that you'll see of them and custom in the leather shop,

1331
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: the three of them, and the photo that we were

1332
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: just describing of the non butt cheek fully removed face.

1333
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: So these two things essentially the leak out onto the

1334
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: internet because the fit the mother wants to to be

1335
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: kind and share some of these images with some of

1336
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: the folks that they're there in the shop that day,

1337
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: particularly I think the owner's daughter. But this isn't I'm

1338
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: not it's not clear exactly what happened. We talked to

1339
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: the current um guy who runs that shop and he

1340
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: confirmed that this happened. The Raine Phillips confirmed that this happened.

1341
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: They share these images on a message board. We don't

1342
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: know what message board. We don't know exactly what they

1343
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: shared the images at the time that they were taking

1344
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: so we're talking April believe it's like April when they

1345
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 1: were in the shop, So somewhere in this general timeframe

1346
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: they share these images out onto a message board. And

1347
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: you guys all know how message boards are, and you

1348
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: know how the internet is in the in and we

1349
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: won't go through all the details because we've also sussed

1350
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: this out pretty far. In the four years following that

1351
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: message board share these images that Brett Bond shares himself

1352
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: for the first time four years later become an urban legend.

1353
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: They are trafficked on many websites. There's fake stories about them.

1354
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: They were assigned to a gentleman named Wes Perkins who

1355
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: was attacked in very much the same wise Glenn Bond.

1356
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: I believe in two thousand eleven, so West Perkins. Somehow

1357
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: we were never able to like nail down the exact

1358
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: moment when someone said, Hey, that's West Perkins. The Bond

1359
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: family believes they know who it was and and they're

1360
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: suing that person. But this is what kind of gets

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01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: to the point where Brett Bond wants to share these

1362
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: images now, because four years later, this thing has been

1363
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: called a hoax, It's been assigned to another man, it's

1364
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: been spread around the internet for clickbait, it's been it's

1365
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: been mistreated in this way because the real story isn't

1366
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: out there. Can I I want to make sure I'm

1367
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: getting this all. You're gonna have to do this a

1368
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of thing and then anyone else who might just

1369
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: I just want to double check out a couple of things.

1370
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: The timeline, the mauling happens. He takes pictures the day

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: of the malling. Nine days later, he takes pictures at

1372
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: the Double D Diamond Dad. Right away the Diamond D

1373
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: people like, hey, can we see those pictures? He shares

1374
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: the pictures. Then the pictures spread out over the course

1375
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: of years years, years and is but is the kid

1376
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: that took the pictures? Is he aware? So he's aware

1377
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: that the photos he took her being he's aware, miss

1378
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: construed and agitated, but he knows that this is going on,

1379
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: extremely aware of it, agitated by its not a surprise.

1380
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: Now they're not like, oh, we didn't know I got you.

1381
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: So he's like, what the hell, that's that's my dad

1382
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: to this guy, this fellow West, that the did he

1383
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: somehow take ownership and make some sort of monetary gain

1384
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: off these pictures? So how's he getting sued? They this

1385
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: is something that we've not nailed down, so I don't

1386
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 1: want to bring an It's kind of people to get sued.

1387
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: And then it turns out there's no standing. West isn't

1388
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 1: getting Steed sue the reporter that the Bond family believes

1389
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: fabricated the West Perkins story connected to the imagery is

1390
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: getting that's possibly getting sused. I mean they believe he

1391
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: fabricated the story and then sold it to other outlets

1392
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: to make money. That's what they believe. So he are

1393
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: using using the West Perkins story in the Bond images profited,

1394
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: which I mean, you know West Perkins. If you we

1395
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: won't go through West Perkin's entire story, but if you think,

1396
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: if you read his story, it is eerily similar to

1397
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: that of Glenn Bond. But if this dude, not to

1398
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: get too off track here, but if this dude, if

1399
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: this journalist, he was using pictures to which he didn't

1400
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 1: have permission. And I won't mention all the websites, some

1401
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: of them you will know they're in our industry, and

1402
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: we've talked to people at these websites journal journalistically. They

1403
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: sold these things as click bait, right West Perkins man

1404
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: with no face, West Perkins Man with no face all

1405
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: the way up to and I will mention this guy's name,

1406
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: Tom Mirandy. You guys know Tom Mirandy I ended myself

1407
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: to one time. We are two months into this investigation

1408
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: and it was a legitimate investigation. And shout out to

1409
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: Joe and Sam for for helping with this. Tom Miranda

1410
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: post this is after. This is months after Brett Bond

1411
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: has posted these images on his Instagram. Tom Miranda post

1412
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,879
Speaker 1: images on his Instagram and says, check out West Perkins.

1413
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: This is this is a month ago, check out West Perkins. No.

1414
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: I used to buy Tom Miranda's d not DVDs, VHS tapes.

1415
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: One of the kids I had like water trapping with

1416
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Tom mirandas so Tom rand is the best. Just imagine

1417
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: for me like that. It just highlights the fact that

1418
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: the Internet, you just put this stuff in the blender

1419
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: that is the Internet, and it shoots out weird things

1420
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: at weird times. And so we ended up just saying hey,

1421
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: just bye bye the bye. Tom. No, you're using someone

1422
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: else's images. You're attributing to them too, something that's not

1423
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: true for to get some traffic on your Instagram. And

1424
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: what to think about that? He said, Well, I got

1425
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: it from this story from the America Shooting Journal. It

1426
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,919
Speaker 1: was passed on to me from an outfitter in Africa.

1427
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: So well, that American. It's like okay, that American, yes,

1428
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: and that American Shooting Journal article. If you google today,

1429
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: I think Brett Bond bear attack it, it might come up.

1430
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: It comes up in the first page, and so are

1431
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: we gonna get to hear the actual barytax? Okay, that's

1432
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: where people can plain. And when we did a podcast

1433
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: about this that it took too long to get to

1434
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: the very tach story. But there's so much I don't care.

1435
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: So here we go. So now we're at the point

1436
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: where we have the first element of this, where there

1437
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: is a conspiracy. There is this internet urban legend around

1438
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: these images. All this stuff has happened. Brett Glenn, their

1439
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: their mother slash wife, Lorraine. They know about this. It's

1440
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: agitating to them. So this, among other things, leads to

1441
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Brett sharing these images. And when he shares the images,

1442
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: does he share them as setting the record straight man? No,

1443
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 1: he shares them as I want to highlight bear safety.

1444
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: Because he's trained, he's he's taking he's trained, he's taking

1445
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: very constructive n he takes a very constructive and healthful tone,

1446
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, you're in bear country. Check this out.

1447
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't, I mean, I don't. I don't want to

1448
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,520
Speaker 1: give a spoiler aler but the dudes were hunting grizzlies. Yeah,

1449
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: you're you're inviting a certain proximity, which that's a whole

1450
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: another thing. There are there, there are some that you

1451
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: run into some oxym ronic stuff here, but this, there's

1452
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: this is so detailed and so deep that there's almost

1453
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: no way you're not gonna run into some stuff that

1454
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't do this story. Um, you know, I stole

1455
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: this from someone down the road, but this is one

1456
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: of those stories that makes its own gravy. Yeah, it's uh,

1457
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: it's full of gravy. So if you want to, if

1458
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: we want to just go back to the actual attack

1459
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: and we'll go through this briefly, because it's got a

1460
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that it's it's lingering, it's lingering. You

1461
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: want to know what actually happened. So guy has no

1462
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: face and he uh, we know the his his his

1463
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: face ripped off. We also know that nine days later

1464
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: he's doing okay generally okay, walking around talking to people,

1465
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: taking photos. So now those are the kind of facts

1466
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: the structure of what we know. Well, um, if you

1467
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: want to get to know bretton Glenn Bond. Glenn Bond

1468
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: is a retired teacher. They're both natives of the Solo, Alaska.

1469
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: Brett Brett Bond is a thirty three year old hunting

1470
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: guy he's been a hunting guide basically his whole life.

1471
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: You go to his Instagram, you look around. This dude

1472
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: is an Alaskans. Alaskan like he's hunting, fishing. That's what

1473
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: he does. He guides all year round. He guides bears, cariboo, whatever,

1474
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: everything you know that to be available in Alaska. This

1475
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: guy's done it. Pretty hardcore outdoorsman. His dad is a

1476
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: similarly hardcore outdoorsman, but he was a retired teacher and

1477
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: also a hunting guide in his free time. These guys

1478
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: have had scrapes with bears over the years. His his

1479
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 1: dad was charged by a bear with a client one time.

1480
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: There's this whole story that you can read about or

1481
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: listen to in our podcast. So these guys know their

1482
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: way around this country. They're not rookies. There's no way

1483
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: to think that they want to know exactly what they

1484
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: have to do. In fact, Glenn Bond has killed a

1485
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: charging grizzly before, so he knows he knows what to do.

1486
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: So these guys, they've been hunting together since Brett was seven,

1487
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: he's now thirty three. His dad's seventy seven, and they

1488
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: decided that they want to go on a bear hunt.

1489
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: It's in April. I think I want to say April,

1490
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: yet it's and it's in early April. Bears are just

1491
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: coming out of their dens, are still in their dens.

1492
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,839
Speaker 1: They're gonna take a snow machine up the DENIALI Highway

1493
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: into the mountains. It's not on an actual highway from

1494
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:37,839
Speaker 1: a lodge twenty five miles they went on snow machine.

1495
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: So I'll just trying to speed this up because it

1496
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: take awhile a snow machine they're gonna they drive. He

1497
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: describes in detail that morning. He said it was it

1498
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: was a beautiful morning. It was just starting to get warm,

1499
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: so the snow was starting to melt. So they didn't

1500
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: want to get too far away because they didn't want

1501
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: to get into a situation on two snow machines where

1502
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: they couldn't turn back if the snow was to melt

1503
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: too much. And so Brett and Glenn come upon what

1504
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: they think is a den hole in the side of

1505
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 1: a hill. This this hill is pretty has a pretty

1506
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: steep slope going down to where they have parked their

1507
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: snow machines. And they see brett SE's tracks going in

1508
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: and then possibly tracks going around the backside of this den,

1509
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: this hole in the side of the mountain. So they

1510
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: have this conversation, what are we gonna do? They're looking

1511
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: for a bear. They're pretty sure there might be one

1512
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: in there. Brett decides he's gonna go back and check

1513
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: for the check for these tracks, exiting tracks to see.

1514
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: He goes up this hill, up this slope around the den.

1515
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: He's checking for tracks. He hears screaming. His father is,

1516
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: as he's described it to me, behind him, maybe a

1517
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards maybe less, down a slope. Glenn Bond is

1518
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: sitting on a snow machine like facing the den. Basically,

1519
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: this bear comes essentially charging out of the den. Brett

1520
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: remembers hearing Glenn saying he's coming out. He's coming out,

1521
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: He's coming out, And before he can turn, he sees

1522
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: just a flash of fur. This eight foot grizzly comes

1523
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: out of the den and and basically as Brett describes it,

1524
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: takes his father like a rag doll and just throws

1525
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: him down there. But his dad's lining up. Try to

1526
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: get a crack, so his dad, so his dad has

1527
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 1: had this happened before. He's got a rifle in his hand.

1528
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 1: He gets a crack at it, as the bears running,

1529
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: he pulls his rifle up and again he's done this before. Blouch, blouch. Well,

1530
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: it turns out the bear had just dipped down into

1531
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: a little depression in the space between Glenn and the den,

1532
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: and he shoots over the back of this spear and

1533
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: he's got you know, seconds, and it's on him and

1534
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:52,799
Speaker 1: they're they're rolling down the hill together. And so Brett

1535
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: turns around and sees this happening. And the reports from

1536
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: the folks that investigated the scene state fit. While they

1537
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,839
Speaker 1: fish the investigating scene, his footprints look like an Olympic

1538
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: track athlete, like he doesn't, you know, as he would

1539
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: have describe, he doesn't really remember what exactly he did.

1540
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: He pulls his three fifty seven pistol from his diamond

1541
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: de holster. Three seven. I think it's three fifty seven.

1542
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it. I might be wrong

1543
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: about that. He pulls his pistol. This is where this

1544
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: is pretty. This is where the internet trolls. Yeah, they're

1545
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: gonna say no, They're like, oh, three seven, I'm sorry, Brett.

1546
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: Meg means you don't have to shoot twice or you know,

1547
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it was if it wasn't a three seven.

1548
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I'll go, I'll I'll amend this if I need to,

1549
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: we can look it up. But pulls his pistol and

1550
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: just sprints towards it, towards his dad, his dad. At

1551
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: this point, the bears on top of his father. All

1552
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: that Brett can see is the bear and his dad

1553
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: and blood. Then this is there's melee. They're screaming. As

1554
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: you would try to imagine what might be happening here.

1555
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: He runs to his dad, pulls up his pistol I

1556
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: think or three h something, and he dumps a couple

1557
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: of rounds into the vitals of the bear, and at

1558
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: this point the bear kind of stumbles off. His dad

1559
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: stands up. He shoots it in the chest. It comes

1560
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Then at some point in all

1561
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: of this, shoots it between the eyes as it's coming

1562
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: at him, and he describes He's like I knew, I

1563
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: just knew I had to keep between my dad and

1564
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: the bear. And at some point I knew if I didn't,

1565
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: if this shot didn't go exactly where it needed to,

1566
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: I was dead. My dad was dead. And this is

1567
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: all I mean, this is, you know, imagine this happens

1568
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: in the span of thirty seconds, who knows there's no

1569
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: way to tie him it out, so that all of

1570
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: this happens. And if you you know, if you think

1571
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: about like it's it's here's a guy that's trained in survival.

1572
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: He's he's trained in back country medicine. He's a guy

1573
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: he kind of understands this. So I think some of

1574
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: this for him, if I was just judging his action,

1575
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: some of him is just what he would do for anyone.

1576
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: But there's an element of he gets this done. As

1577
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: he describes it. He describes in a pretty calm way,

1578
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: like hey man, I ran down the hill and boom,

1579
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: boom boom. This bear is dead. So bears dead. He

1580
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: describes thinking he's gonna seeing his dad in a pool

1581
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: of blood, thinking he's gonna arrive to his father being dead,

1582
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 1: or the last moments of his father's life, you know,

1583
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: one or the other. Not thinking that. So he gets

1584
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: over there and he says that his dad is while

1585
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: his face is torn apart, he's got some injuries in

1586
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: his wrist. His dad is complaining about his wrist injury,

1587
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: not really understanding. I don't think what's going on with

1588
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: the face, and Brett tries to do a bunch of things.

1589
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: He checks his father for bleeding. He determines that there's

1590
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: no arterial bleeding. He's not gonna bleed out in any way.

1591
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: That the main he did your damages to the face.

1592
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: So he takes off his handkerchief, tries to tie it

1593
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 1: around his dad's face as you might try to repair

1594
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: the damage. His dad immediately begins to choke on his

1595
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: own flesh, and so at this moment, at this point,

1596
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: his dad is talking fairly coherently. Doesn't seem like other

1597
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: than him complaining about his wrists, seems like he can

1598
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,839
Speaker 1: he can have a conversation with his son. The physical

1599
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: act of talking, though, looks like it would be really hard.

1600
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: And there's a whole bunch of other as we get

1601
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: down the road in the stories, a whole bunch of

1602
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: other things that happened that you just you don't think

1603
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: with an injury like that that he would be able

1604
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: to pull off being that cogent or at the physical

1605
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: act of moving your mouth up and down, when your

1606
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: tongue up and down and making the words come out,

1607
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: not just the mental state, but like actually being able

1608
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: to the physical words physical part. So you know, fast

1609
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: forward to how this video gets made. Glenn Bond never

1610
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: loses control once I think he realizes he's not gonna die.

1611
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: Brett realizes he's not going to die. In the moment,

1612
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond is the toughest person I've ever heard of.

1613
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: He never loses control. He's extructing his son what to do.

1614
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: He instructs his son to take this video so his

1615
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: moms so they can in case he dies or something,

1616
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: that his mom will know what happened. And so there's

1617
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: somewhere out there's a minute long video of a man

1618
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,839
Speaker 1: with no face just explaining these things, explaining what happened essentially,

1619
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: and so a bunch of things happen takes him about

1620
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 1: an hour, I believe, if I'm recollecting that right, about

1621
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: an hour to get on the snow machine and head

1622
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: back to the lodge where they were staying. It's about

1623
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: twenty four a little bit over a twenty four mile

1624
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: ride on a snow machine. So so Brett loads his

1625
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: dad up behind him and they ride. I think it

1626
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 1: takes another hour to get back to the lodge. All

1627
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: the while his dad is his back there with he

1628
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: can't cover his face up. There's there's not a whole

1629
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: lot you can do other than just ride the snow machine.

1630
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 1: And to this point again in he reiterated, this guy

1631
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: is with it. He is telling his son what to do.

1632
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: He's telling his son to like, we gotta calm down,

1633
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: we gotta stay calm, we gotta this is what we

1634
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: gotta do. They were they able to radio for help

1635
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: ahead of time? Yes, I believe that they did, because well,

1636
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: they radio for help. But they're staying at a lodge

1637
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty far out there. In the story that we're

1638
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: working on. We continue to work and we talk about

1639
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: exactly how far the lodge is from the nearest town,

1640
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: and then the town from the nearest hospital. This all

1641
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: comes into play when they finally get back to the lodge.

1642
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: They meet a guy there named Dan, asked us, who's

1643
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: a sheriff in Wyoming, and he I believe his Bret's godfather.

1644
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: He's got a relationship to the family. He's there, he

1645
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 1: knows them. He's the first person who sees them come back.

1646
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: He this is a guy who's been a sheriff. He's retired.

1647
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: He's been a shaff for forty years. He's seen some

1648
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: ship he's seen some people shot He's seen some awful things.

1649
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: He says, the worst thing he's ever seen his life.

1650
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: By the time they do a twenty a mile ride

1651
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 1: back to this lodge, the skin, the flesh that was

1652
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: you can see in the video, is now sluffed off

1653
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: of his face. As they described it to me, the

1654
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: chin is exposed. Like a chin you imagine you're the

1655
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: bones underneath your chin is now exposed. So they now

1656
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: have to go to They go to the owners of lodge.

1657
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: They start calling for metaback helicopters to come take him hospital.

1658
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: They so they do all of this while this is happening.

1659
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: They can't get anybody to commit to come. I think

1660
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: they the owners the lodge that they went through two

1661
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: or three phone calls before they could get somebody to

1662
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: commit via weather timing location that they were safe to

1663
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 1: come and pick them up and ferry them to the hospital.

1664
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: While this is happening, Danes is out there trying to

1665
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: keep everybody calm. He tries to give He describes this

1666
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: moment where he's trying to give He's asking Glen Bond, Hey,

1667
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: what can I do for him? Glen Bond says, I'd

1668
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: like to get a sip of water. He puts to

1669
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: get some water, puts a straw in it, tries to

1670
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: give it to Glenn end can't get the straw in

1671
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: his mouth, can't get the straw through the shards of flesh,

1672
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: through the gore and into his mouth, and it can't drink.

1673
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: So that's just a moment that I'll from that, from

1674
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: hearing that conversation as the moment I remember, because it's

1675
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: just like it notes how ridiculous all of this really is.

1676
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: So at this point, they finally get ahold of a

1677
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 1: guy named Brett Westcott who's a Medlife Alaska pilot. He's

1678
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 1: on a U. S. Army pilot in Iraq in a

1679
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: bunch of places. Great dude, badass dude. He agrees that

1680
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: it's safe that they can fly. They're gonna go pick

1681
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: him up at the lodge and ferry him to Providence Hospital,

1682
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: the best hospital in Alaska, most of They're gonna go there,

1683
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: pick him up, take him there. He lands. He describes

1684
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: he's got to flight medics on hand. They land there.

1685
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: He describes similar. This guy's seeing some ship as well.

1686
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: He's been through war, he's fairy special operators into missions.

1687
01:37:56,080 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: He's seen some stuff. Same thing says, I've never seen

1688
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: anything like this in my life. I thought, this person

1689
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: is gonna die. There's no way. At this point, you're

1690
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: really like the pictures are true. Yeah, And this is

1691
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: where that's where it's important too, because I'm we are

1692
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: continuing to say like there's no way, and we're not

1693
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: even to the most amazing point. I don't think, but

1694
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: there's no way. And then you get these people that

1695
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: have no reason to lie, that have no reason because

1696
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: we I won't I won't mention the names of the people.

1697
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: Along the investigation, we ran into people that said this

1698
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 1: is bullshit. People in high ranking spots in Alaska fish

1699
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: and game other places. They won't say this on the record.

1700
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: We've had I had biologists. They're saying the photos bullshit. Yep.

1701
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I just thought another thing. It looks like never mind,

1702
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 1: he had your chance. Anyway. So this Brett West got

1703
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: another really good interview. He really talks about what happens

1704
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: when they come to pick him up and you show

1705
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: him the picture and he says, yep, oh yeah, yep,

1706
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: it's worse. He picture doesn't do it justice. That's what

1707
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 1: he says. He says. By the time again, by the time,

1708
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: oh This is hours later when he arrives all this

1709
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: skin that was kind of newly ripped open, ripped off

1710
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: of the skull of Glenn. Bond has kind of through

1711
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: a snowmobile ride through time, laying around trying to drink water,

1712
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: all these things has kind of like peeled itself away,

1713
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: fallen away. The weight of the flesh has pulled it

1714
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: away from the face, and so he he describes this

1715
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: as they're getting I don't I'm sure how to turn

1716
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: this over. But as they're getting Glenn onto the helicopter,

1717
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Brett Bond, who has has been a hero to this point,

1718
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: is taking photos as a cell phone. Now he's taking

1719
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: photos of the badges of the flight medics and the pilot.

1720
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: There's a quick verse I have to do a quick

1721
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 1: version of a story that would take a whole another

1722
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 1: podcast to tell at this point. So when Brett is

1723
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,560
Speaker 1: taking photos of these people's name tags, the plan is

1724
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: to take Glenn to Providence Hospital, which again it says,

1725
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the top hospital in Alaska. If your face is messed up,

1726
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to go there. Probably Glenn and Brett

1727
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: both refuse to go there. They want to go somewhere else.

1728
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: They will not go to Providence, and I'm gonna I

1729
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: have to go through this quickly. Apologies to anyone that

1730
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: was involved in this that really wants to the true

1731
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: story out there. We'll get it out, promise. The what

1732
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 1: happened years before. Brett Bond is on a bear hunt

1733
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: years before five six years before this attack. He's on

1734
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: a bear hunt. He has incredible insomnia, doesn't sleep for

1735
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: ten fourteen, doesn't sleep for over ten days. Comes back

1736
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: to to Wasilla, goes to the hospital. They give him

1737
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: some some steroids in predator. They think he just has

1738
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: a who knows what. They think he has just terrible insomnia.

1739
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: This keeps getting worse. His parents bring him back to

1740
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Providence Medical. Bringing back to the doctor eventually makes it

1741
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 1: the Province Medical. He goes through a psychotic break, psychotic

1742
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: episode that lasts months where I read a five hunder

1743
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: page legal document of discovery from all of the all

1744
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: the doctors and nurses that treated Brett Bond. He goes

1745
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: through insane ordeal over six or so months, where he

1746
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: is he doesn't know where he is. He thinks all

1747
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: the doctors are FBI agents. There's there's reports in these

1748
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: medical documents I read where he's in a shower with

1749
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: his clothes on, defecating in his own pants. He has

1750
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: a prolonged psychological battle where they are giving him heavy

1751
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 1: doses of steroids and other drugs. His parent that his

1752
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: his mom, Lraine Phillips, his dad. They're Jehovah's witnesses and

1753
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: so they don't believe in medicine. They believe the medicine

1754
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: is the problem. So they have a battle with the

1755
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Providence Medical team over this. Eventually, the Providence Medical team

1756
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: bands the parents from the visiting their son. They only

1757
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 1: give him like a couple hours a week to medical custody.

1758
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: So eventually this goes into the courts. They take metal

1759
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: I am skipping over so much, but they there's some

1760
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: serious foundation laid for them to not want to deal

1761
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: with Providence medicals. What do you see Their yell review

1762
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: that it's not it's not great. So they so I'll

1763
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:33,640
Speaker 1: just say. Eventually, Lorraine Phillips, Bret's mother, they go to

1764
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: a different hospital. The rain is uh. A nurse is

1765
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: after I can't this is just gonna be bad. After

1766
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 1: there's a legal battle the state of Alaska. It's medical

1767
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 1: custody of Brett bon because they feel like his family

1768
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: is threatening to allow him to die rather than have

1769
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,480
Speaker 1: him take medicine. This is a whole another thing. Eventually,

1770
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: this battle gets so intense a nurse is wheeling Brett

1771
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: Bond into an l of Later in the hospital, according

1772
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: to court documents, Lorraine Phillips comes in, pushes, pushes, the

1773
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 1: nurse takes Brandon Brett in the wheelchair, pushes him away,

1774
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: takes him to a rehab clinic. Uh kidnaps the kid,

1775
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: kidnaps her own kid. If there is such a thing

1776
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,879
Speaker 1: as getting this is This was in the National Spotlight,

1777
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 1: International Spotlight. If you google free Brett Bond. This is

1778
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: pre bit, This is alway pre bar attack. This is it.

1779
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: It makes its own gravy. It's a civil liberties case,

1780
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 1: had been making its own grades. It's the gravies. It's

1781
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: three three layers already think so and I apologized Brett, Glenn, Lorraine,

1782
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: I just butchered that. But you guys get the idea

1783
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 1: that there was a national story. They're still telling the

1784
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 1: abbreviated version under d arrest, under durest. So I'm asking

1785
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: for the brief because there's no whether this would be

1786
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: just hours and hours um and then folks that they're

1787
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to explore this whole thing. Yeah, yeah,

1788
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna we have I have a podcast where I

1789
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: talked to Glenn and we went through this. But we're

1790
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: gonna do more because I think this this needs these more.

1791
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I've talked to Brett's lawyer, um Mario Bird up there,

1792
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and he just he laid it only pretty heavy that

1793
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 1: this is a civil liberties case. There's a term called

1794
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: psychological rights that's now involved. There's all these other things

1795
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: that we could get into it another time. Anyhow, this

1796
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: is why Brett and Glenn do not want to go

1797
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the Providence. Brett told me he's like the reason why

1798
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go because I spent seven the

1799
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: way he puts it, I spent seven months behind the

1800
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: walls at Providence. He describes like a prison basically in

1801
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: the quote that he gave me. So anyway, they get in,

1802
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: they get in the helicopter, they decide they're gonna go

1803
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: to Matt su General, which is a hospital um closer,

1804
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: you know, probably less suited to take on this gets

1805
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: his name from the Matt Nowskins who's sitting the rivers.

1806
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: That's why it's good to be on here. Um, here's

1807
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: another point. There in the helicopter, they're flying down some

1808
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: random valley on the way to Matts New General Glenn

1809
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,759
Speaker 1: Bond starts directing the pilots on which is the quickert?

1810
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,919
Speaker 1: How what the quickest way is to get to hospital?

1811
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: Here's the mayo of no face. It's hours now since

1812
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: he was brutally attacked by a grizzly bear, and he

1813
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: is coaching enough, can't drink water, but still coaching enough

1814
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: to be like, take a left here, head over this way.

1815
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: So um, there's another point now you gotta get to

1816
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: In the urban legend, during those four years where no

1817
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: one knew about this, there was a point in a

1818
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: messageboard post that I read where someone said I heard

1819
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond never took any painkillers or narcotics and he

1820
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: medicined during this ordeal. It's true. So I talked to

1821
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: Dr Susan Dean, the surgeon who put his face back together.

1822
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 1: Now this is the gravy. Is you're aware of the

1823
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: gravy at this point, this is even more it's bubbling. Yeah,

1824
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: this is even more gravy for you. This is a

1825
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: big pot. Dr Susan Dean is awesome. People that work

1826
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 1: for her. I talked to people in her office. They

1827
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: she's like a god to them. They love her. She's

1828
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: a bubbly, effervescent person. When we first talked to her,

1829
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 1: she said, I love the gore of plastic surgery, and

1830
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 1: I love bears. In her office hangs a sign on

1831
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: the front door that says bear feet Welcome. Be a

1832
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: r feet welcome. It's got bear signs. The floor mats

1833
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: have grizzly bears on him. Her business card has a

1834
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: grizzly bear on it. The logo of her practice is

1835
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,759
Speaker 1: a grizzly bear. There's grizzly bear pictures, there's cartoon grizzly

1836
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: bears everywhere in her office. And she describes herself as

1837
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: loving the gore of plastic surgery. So she happens to

1838
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,799
Speaker 1: be at the hospital that day when when Glenn lands

1839
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: and needs some help. So she is she's called upon

1840
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: to go take a look at this guy. She goes

1841
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: in there, she's talking to him. He is. He basically says,

1842
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 1: just do it here, referencing the surgery. Just do it here.

1843
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: They're in like an e er area. This is, as

1844
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: you imagine a pretty pretty complicated surgery. He's like, just

1845
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 1: do some do some local anesthetics and do it here.

1846
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: She has to explain to him, Hey, we kind of

1847
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: we have to clean this up. She makes a joke

1848
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: that the bear probably didn't brush his teeth before he

1849
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: ripped her face off. Um. They have this conversation where

1850
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: she's trying to convince him to take some sort of narcotics,

1851
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 1: some sort of pain killer, something to help all the

1852
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,480
Speaker 1: pain of what it's going to be in an incredibly

1853
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: invasive surgery because they must clean his face out. Been

1854
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 1: through this such a long long time, just trying to

1855
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: heal the pain and take a break regular this one man. Yeah,

1856
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:45,799
Speaker 1: so they have this. They developed this rapport which remains

1857
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: today years later. He's a hard man. She is. She

1858
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: sings and roses. I wasn't comment, and I was coming

1859
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: on healing the pain. Oh yeah, not coming on the

1860
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: length of the guns and roses meat. I was singing

1861
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: that song I've never seen before. Is that on sale?

1862
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I believe it is soon dot com dot com? No, yeah,

1863
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 1: I was making the pain pain management reference. Good, have

1864
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: they sent me the so he does indeed refuse, He refuses.

1865
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 1: They sent me even the local anesthetic. There's some local

1866
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: anesthetic involved, because I think it's impossible, it would be

1867
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 1: impossible to do with that, because it's against his religious

1868
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 1: convictions to take medicaid, to take like heavy medication. I'm

1869
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 1: hesitant to say that, but that would be the assumption.

1870
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Hesitant to say because I've never talked to him, He's

1871
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 1: never spoken publicly on this. His wife, his kid, his kid,

1872
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: his wife, you know, talked about him a lot. So

1873
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to say that's what it is. But all

1874
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: intensive purposes, that's likely what led him to refuse those

1875
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: that treatment. And they sent me the medical board in

1876
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:50,480
Speaker 1: his hospital room that says, you know, no local, no narcotics,

1877
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: no nothing, no blood transfusions, no, nothing like that. And

1878
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 1: so he goes through I can't remember like one surgery

1879
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: that lasted three or four hour hours. And if you

1880
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: go back to the time when you first saw that photo,

1881
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: if I told you that the dude's face was put

1882
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 1: back together in a couple of hours by one surgery.

1883
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: He had two other surgeries months later to to fix

1884
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: his ear. And I believe his I or knows, but

1885
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: these are months later. So this is one surgery with

1886
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: no painkillers. He gets another piece of gravy. They had.

1887
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,679
Speaker 1: Most of the rooms in the hospital were full the children,

1888
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: so they had to bring him to the children's section

1889
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: of the hospital. Lucky kid to recover. He goes into

1890
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: his recovery room. It's a children's room. It's full of

1891
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 1: cartoon bears, the wallpapers cartoon bears, and so he recovers.

1892
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 1: The bears already come on people with the bears. So

1893
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: he recovers. And again, if you get into the relationship

1894
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that Lorraine Phillips, his wife, had with the doctors of

1895
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Providence during the Free Brett Bond incident, this is a

1896
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 1: very com bad relationship. It's ridiculously combat it and he

1897
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,760
Speaker 1: gets it's it's mixed up in religious ideologies and all

1898
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: kinds of things, you know, civil liberties. But then you

1899
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: have the relationship between Glenn Bond and this doctor Susan Dean,

1900
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: which is all about respect, all about talking to each other,

1901
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: listening to each other, and they get through this. It's

1902
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 1: clean as humanly possible. Nine days he's walking around, didn't

1903
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: take a didn't visit, visiting the holster shop, and so

1904
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:33,839
Speaker 1: she listens to him and all that. So anyway, that's

1905
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 1: that's really not really not the end of the story

1906
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: even then. But let's say it's a lot. Let's say

1907
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: it's a lie. What would be the motivation? Like, I

1908
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 1: don't get like what, Like I looked at it him

1909
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: like that's not truth, a lie, but like like if

1910
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 1: you think about it, like people that still would want

1911
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: to say, like, oh, it's not he didn't that didn't happen.

1912
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 1: It's fake. Yeah, what what's to gain? I thought about

1913
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: this a lot because I thought about my own livityes

1914
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: like bullshit when I first saw it. Now you'll remember, Spencer,

1915
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: there was a very fake situation. It was only maybe

1916
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: six or eight months before we learned about this Mommy

1917
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: the mummy guy who was buried alive, the Russian guy

1918
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: who was buried alive by a bear and then discovered cashed,

1919
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 1: cashed by a bear. And there's this video online video

1920
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 1: of a guy that looks, I mean, it looks so

1921
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 1: real like a mummy, like a mummy. And so that's

1922
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: what immediately came to my mid and that that generated

1923
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of clicks I see, So you start to

1924
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 1: think of what is going on here. Some people are

1925
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: just pranksters. Some people want to get clicks, some people

1926
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: like the macabre. Who knows. There's no way to really know,

1927
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: but that that came into my mind is like this

1928
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: that story because it was completely debunked, but it looked

1929
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 1: very real. It was very compelling. We all remember when

1930
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: it happened. When we were actually in the office, We're

1931
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 1: all walking around going, WHOA, see this, see this, see this,

1932
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,600
Speaker 1: and the the origin of that to you, it was

1933
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 1: like a motive you wouldn't even think of. It was

1934
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: for like the set of some low budget film that

1935
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: they were just like messing around and trying to figure

1936
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 1: out to make up and then this just got out

1937
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: on the internet. So like when you ask about a motive,

1938
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,759
Speaker 1: right like, there's motives you can't even comprehend. That doesn't

1939
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't even necessarily there's like a motive, but it's

1940
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: like just the way people want to put things out

1941
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: into the world. And so you know, maybe this is

1942
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 1: a real photo and it got distorted, which was the

1943
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 1: actual truth? Maybe this is I had people read articles

1944
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: of full articles of people debunking this as Hollywood special effects,

1945
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: as people saying it was completely fake, obviously fake, you know,

1946
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: obviously a hoax. I got another question for you, who

1947
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 1: was the guy that the photo was ascribed to, West Perkins.

1948
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 1: What's the west EPs say about this? I have I'm

1949
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: kind of close to getting hold of West, but but

1950
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: he's not active about being like, that's not me. I'm

1951
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 1: not I'm not positive if he even knows that's what's

1952
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: really going on. So he might not give a whole

1953
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: big he might not give a big ship about all this.

1954
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: And here's another thing this when when this happened, most

1955
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 1: bear attacks like this, especially like this one, are reported

1956
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 1: on somewhere in detail. You know, they're not all national news.

1957
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: They're not. I mean, it's we kind of you. You've

1958
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours, you usually, and so if you

1959
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: hang out with the right sorts of folks, you're like, oh,

1960
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 1: someone got scratched. You know, someone got scratched yesterday in

1961
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Wyalming or whatever. And so that's what you know. All

1962
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: this stuff has kind of come back to me where

1963
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: a guy got attacked by a guy was riding his

1964
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: bike up a big guy and got ran into a

1965
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 1: grizzly bear. Turns out this is earlier this year. Wasn't

1966
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: a woman point it was a guy I heard just

1967
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,759
Speaker 1: around town. About thirteen different versions of that story before

1968
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: I actually read a version that he told gets out,

1969
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: and so that's what happened here. The West Perkins story

1970
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 1: very like I said, very similar to Bret and Glenn Bond.

1971
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: It was covered, it was written about, it was covered

1972
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:09,599
Speaker 1: in multiple multiple real actual news sources covered that story.

1973
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,719
Speaker 1: This one didn't get picked up. They made sure it didn't.

1974
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: When Brett Bond called it in, he he didn't even

1975
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 1: name himself, he said a hunting partner. So if you

1976
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 1: go back and look, you'll see reports. This report got

1977
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: buried underneath another attack. I believe the teacher was attacked

1978
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 1: in the same area within a couple of days of

1979
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: Glen's attack, So it gets buried in some of the

1980
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: more national stories. I hit you with a quick bar

1981
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: check yeah coverage story. My brother is going up a

1982
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: river in Alaska, my hunting moose, and they stop and

1983
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 1: talk to your dude for a while, and they're dragging

1984
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: their canoes up a river and they bullshit with the

1985
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 1: guy for a while. They go about their business. They

1986
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 1: go out on the river and hunt moose. They get

1987
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: home and everybody saw about a guy that got mauled

1988
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: on the river. They're hunting you. It's interesting, And when

1989
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: they finally see the picture, it's the guy that they

1990
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: just talked to you who got mauled the day they

1991
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: talked to him. After obviously they shot the ship with

1992
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 1: him go up the river, he gets mauled, and then

1993
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: like ten days later they come home and hear about

1994
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 1: a guy who got mauled. Look, it was like the

1995
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: dude they had been rapping with. I hope you I

1996
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 1: was hoping you were gonna say he got mall and

1997
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 1: forgot to mention it before it was after it like

1998
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: butterfly effect. Though at it's like, had we not taking

1999
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 1: up so much of his time? This dude stumbled on

2000
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 1: a gut pile of another moose hunter that had been

2001
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: claimed by a bear, and to bear scratched him up.

2002
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't remember the dude lived or died, but

2003
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 1: he got scratched up pretty good. Anyhow, word gets out.

2004
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: That's I mean, there's so much that goes into this,

2005
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: and like if you try to really draw some conclusions

2006
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 1: from it, there's so many of them, but one of

2007
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 1: them is give me one. Well, one of them is

2008
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 1: the way that we treat this, the way that we

2009
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 1: talk about bear attacks, the way that we want to

2010
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: cover them. Why are we so drawn to Barras These

2011
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:52,480
Speaker 1: are sensational, These are life and death sensational stories that

2012
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 1: we're drawn to. And that and because we're drawn to

2013
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 1: him in the way that we are, we tend to

2014
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 1: embellish them, or we tend to a guy told me.

2015
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 1: And so that's one element of this I think. Also

2016
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I hit you with the one. I think that there's

2017
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: something to be said for knowing that there is still

2018
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: like real danger from wild animals out there, and that

2019
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: we harbor a little bit of nostalgia for that ship. Absolutely,

2020
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: there's that quote about you know, fighting against the wilderness

2021
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: until we could become civilized, and then once you're civilized,

2022
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 1: fight against civilization. Yeah, and you can hearn for the wilderness.

2023
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 1: I talked to a neuroscientist on my show recently. God

2024
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 1: works the Mount Sinai, and he did some studies on

2025
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: the predator's brain. They studied mice and they there's a

2026
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: in the central migdala there's like a pocket of neurons

2027
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 1: that they can they can mess with. Don't ask me

2028
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: to really get technical, and they can mess with turn

2029
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 1: it up or turn it down and see what happens

2030
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: to mice and their predatory instincts, and he was telling me,

2031
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 1: he's like, based on psychology and based on our brain works,

2032
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 1: we have this there's a duality of respect we have

2033
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 1: for predators, and you can see this in our own

2034
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: culture where we we both want to be them and

2035
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 1: their efficiency for killing because that's part of what how

2036
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: we got to be where we are, and we also

2037
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: respect their beauty and their place in the ecosystem. So

2038
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: we have this like dual respect for them that kind

2039
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 1: of leads to maybe at some level what we see

2040
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: in our culture where protectionism and the hate and the

2041
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: vitification of predators that's happened through the decades past turn

2042
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: of the century and even before that. And so that's

2043
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: something that after this whole Brett Bond thing that I've

2044
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 1: been looking at hard. We've talked to hilarious guyst We

2045
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: talked to this guy ivand Rajo, who's a who's that

2046
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 1: neuroscientist and just trying to figure out what is this

2047
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: thing and why do we have these opinions about predators

2048
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: and somewhere deep down and there's why we're so drawn

2049
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: to this stuff and why we turn it around and

2050
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: make it something it's not remind uh tell folks who

2051
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: of the people you just talked to you that they

2052
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: can go and hear the story straight from the old Uh,

2053
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 1: straight from the I don't want to say horses mouth,

2054
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,760
Speaker 1: straight from the mouth. Straight from the mouth, well, I

2055
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 1: mean from your from from from hunting collect from the

2056
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 1: hunt collective, right, so I can pull it up and

2057
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: give you numbers, but you can hear Brett Bond tell

2058
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 1: his story. I think it's one six episode. We then

2059
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: talked to that neuroscientists and episode eight just talked to

2060
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 1: Dr Geist last week and actually had asked they asked

2061
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 1: the eagle debut THHC. We brought it kind of resuscitated

2062
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 1: a little bit for Yannie. What you ask him? What

2063
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: did you asked him? Does he think the picture is true? Yeah?

2064
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: We should. Yeah, I like it, but yeah, I mean

2065
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in there. We also went

2066
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 1: to um also went to Yellowstone to bring it all back.

2067
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: Spencer and and went out with the predator biologist Dr

2068
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Dan Steyler and tracked a mountain lion. Talked to him

2069
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 1: about his you know, he spends his entire life studying

2070
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: these predators, wolves, grizzlies, talk to him about that, talk

2071
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: to him about what he thinks they're placing the landscape.

2072
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: Are why we believe, why we kind of ascribe these

2073
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, personalities to them, why we have this immense

2074
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:13,400
Speaker 1: respect for them on one side and then this immense

2075
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: hatred on the other. So all that is kind of

2076
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: wrapped up in or was inspired in some way by

2077
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 1: this Brett Bond story. We were picking huckleberries on Saturday,

2078
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: took our kids up with huckleberry We were we weren't

2079
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 1: going to the zone of death. Okay, did you go

2080
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: to my spot? But my goodness, did we get a

2081
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of them. I heard a good year for him

2082
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 1: in saying, man, we got we picked twin berries, we

2083
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:46,400
Speaker 1: picked thimbleberries, we picked huckleberries, we picked um dwarf whortleberry,

2084
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:52,400
Speaker 1: we picked we'll missing gooseberry and in current which are

2085
01:59:52,440 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 1: hard to tell part anyhow, shipload of huckleberries. But I, um,

2086
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't not mention the bear situation to my kids,

2087
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 1: so I said, but I wanted to spin it right,

2088
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:11,320
Speaker 1: So I said, if you're lucky enough to encounter a bear.

2089
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 1: That's how I opened it up, like, well, what if it?

2090
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 1: And then I was like we'll cross that bridge when

2091
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 1: it when we get to it, and just no one

2092
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Speaker 1: that I now mentioned it. At least let's go pick

2093
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 1: if negligent not to at least bring up the fact

2094
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: that you might be lucky enough to encounter one. I

2095
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: probably won't happen, but you could get so engrossed in

2096
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 1: staring at a little tiny berries rustling through the brush

2097
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 1: on your own, making little squeals of joy. Yeah, my

2098
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 1: son was that the orange bear spray canister. It's like

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02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: it's a thing that I'm not happy that he's so

2100
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 1: curious about. But Yeah, that's the funny thing about kids

2101
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: embarrass spray is like I'm like, there's the like sort

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02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,520
Speaker 1: of remote chance of needing to spray a bear with

2103
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: this bear spray. There's the very real chance of my

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02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 1: kids spraying each other with this. Yeah, because it's this

2105
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: orange cand that kid is begging to be shot at

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02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 1: your your sibling. It looks like that string stuff that

2107
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:22,200
Speaker 1: that they screw it out, what it looks like. They're like, dude,

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Speaker 1: if I could only squirt that at my sister. Yeah,

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02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:28,920
Speaker 1: I put him in that little pack and we pack

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02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,440
Speaker 1: around and track charuk hands or whatever, and it's I

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02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:34,520
Speaker 1: got the bear spray on my hip. He's always like

2112
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel that little hand going down

2113
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 1: ald that thing. All right, man, good stuff? Yeah, yeah,

2114
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 1: what's going on onst You know the feeling you described,

2115
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 1: like why we're interested in bear a tax and like

2116
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: how it's just like the amount of danger is exciting

2117
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:54,840
Speaker 1: right when I was talking, when I was talking to

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02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 1: Brian called the person who found this legal loophole in

2119
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Speaker 1: his oone of death. I was trying to verbalize that

2120
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 1: to him, and I was telling him, you know, from

2121
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 1: where we're sitting were five miles from that zone of death.

2122
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: I was telling it's like kind of liberating knowing that exists.

2123
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 1: It's like strangely exciting knowing that's just like I don't

2124
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:17,920
Speaker 1: know mountain away, right, you just lure someone over there? Yeah,

2125
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: And I was telling I was telling him that, and

2126
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:22,760
Speaker 1: he did not feel the same way. His last words

2127
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,960
Speaker 1: to me is that he said, I just stay the

2128
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 1: hell away. M hm m hm, stay the hell away,

2129
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 1: not us, Like he feels like maybe there's somebody lurking

2130
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 1: out there wanting to dry. He respects the zone of

2131
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:45,400
Speaker 1: death so much that he would discourage anybody from going there.

2132
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: There's just some people out there who hate a legal loophole,

2133
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 1: and I would count him among that class. And that's

2134
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:59,280
Speaker 1: the feeling that you're describing with hunting among grizzly bears. Yeah,

2135
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't don't. I don't feel nervous. I mean I've

2136
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:04,080
Speaker 1: heard I've had other You've had other bartech victims. As

2137
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:08,080
Speaker 1: I buy on my show, I feel more alert. I

2138
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 1: feel like there's a more visceral knowledge of what might

2139
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:14,200
Speaker 1: happen if I get jumped but still out there. As

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02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 1: my brother said, man, when the time comes and he's

2141
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 1: coming at you, you get him one hand on the

2142
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:23,440
Speaker 1: bottom jaw, one hand on the top jaw. Oh, he

2143
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 1: just said that old, that old Latvian story about load

2144
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: the jaws apart until you tire them out, and then

2145
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,320
Speaker 1: you three stoogeum right in the eyes. It's two fingers.

2146
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Do you make the three stooges noise? Yeah, he's like

2147
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 1: he lives in no fear, knowing that he's got that

2148
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:43,800
Speaker 1: trick up his sleeve. Which which hand do you do

2149
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 1: the poking with? No, you wait till he's sufficiently tired.

2150
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:49,160
Speaker 1: Then you pull your hand away from the lower jaw,

2151
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 1: zap him in the eyes and then back down to

2152
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 1: the bottom jaw to continue the jaws. Bread Bear safety

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Speaker 1: perfect