Speaker 1: Be Around the Podcast owns a small condo on Seahawks Corner. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis come to you from a
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rose.
Speaker 1: What is up, bullies? He does Greg pass the retina
Speaker 1: scan there in the condo on Seahawks Corner. Oh no,
Speaker 1: And he's been cast out. He he was cast out
Speaker 1: and he was took myself out and we found him
Speaker 1: in the bushes a couple of times on the compound
Speaker 1: and we had to say no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you gone. You had that feels just I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a two way relationship. And I've embraced the Seahawks
Speaker 1: from you know, I mean right, it's great. It's like,
Speaker 1: it was pretty eye opening for me to see the
Speaker 1: intensity with which Mark and Dan were rudy on the
Speaker 1: Seahawks last Sunday. Oh no wait, they were like half
Speaker 1: asleep during that game. Nor fell in love with Josh
Speaker 1: Brown right around the second quarter, and they they tested
Speaker 1: my loyalties because the Josh McCown narrative was pretty juicy
Speaker 1: and special. But you know, in the end, I got
Speaker 1: it right. It was well, it was a bit of
Speaker 1: a sleeping game, right, I'm not I'm not arguing I
Speaker 1: had a pillow. I did go get a red bull
Speaker 1: at one point during the Dame, right, that's right, you'd
Speaker 1: across the street to seven. But in general, even though
Speaker 1: the Seahawks experience will end this upcoming weekend, I've really
Speaker 1: enjoyed my first year. Well it's clearly not acuse corner
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to pick them to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They're playing a very beaut of out Packers team,
Speaker 1: but they have my support. I enjoy the quarterback, um,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Russell Wilson, And they also have that
Speaker 1: great fan base in the stadium. I just like the
Speaker 1: seahawky you got off the boat. I was on the boat,
Speaker 1: and it's led to submiss so committed. You you think
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose to uh, A fine Packers team. Man,
Speaker 1: the Packers disrespect out of Greg already. They're fine, They're fine.
Speaker 1: A couple of notes, A couple of notes before we
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Speaker 1: We're very excited about it, um, and we have so
Speaker 1: much to do today. We have a guest. He's gonna
Speaker 1: come up just a couple of minutes. He's gonna join
Speaker 1: us on the phone, Peter Schrager, to talk about the
Speaker 1: big head coach hirings. It just went down in the newsroom,
Speaker 1: UM early this morning, Bang bang rule to Carolina Judge,
Speaker 1: all rise to the Giants. So we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: um Peter, who's gonna talk about those two hires. Also,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys made it official, UM, getting Mike McCarthy aboard,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that. Also, we got were down
Speaker 1: to eight teams in the bracket, okay, Uh, the elite eight. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little draft. The draft writing for
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Speaker 1: and the Snake. I don't know who's older between West
Speaker 1: and Mark, but I do know who's young I am.
Speaker 1: I am older than West by a little bit, not
Speaker 1: a lot, about four or five months, So you'll have
Speaker 1: the Snake. Just the heads up for your preparation. Well
Speaker 1: that is hideous. I'm winding up with that best the
Speaker 1: fourth rated coach franchise and turmoil already and sort of hard,
Speaker 1: except I knew who the number eight was, and you're
Speaker 1: the closest to your fifties, So that's are you. Do
Speaker 1: you have any more nuggets age is um based nuggets
Speaker 1: you'd like to get out of this same facts? All right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: with a lot of fun stuff to get to. But first, West,
Speaker 1: a little nugget just for you. Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: Reggy today beat up Angles of Cincinnati, which was name
Speaker 1: Let's Get the Year by Sports Illustrated because of a
Speaker 1: sweet by the red and an outspoken football coach to
Speaker 1: continue that championship rally for the Queen City. Uh West,
Speaker 1: I I saw a note somewhere on the Twitter verse
Speaker 1: that today January six, way back in nine on the
Speaker 1: same date was the last Bengals playoff win. And then
Speaker 1: I went and checked YouTube, as YouTube's a great resource
Speaker 1: for these things, and found the entire telecast and right
Speaker 1: at the top there's it sounds like dick Enberg, maybe
Speaker 1: I uh selling Cincinnati is the city of America. Well
Speaker 1: it was right after the Reds have won the World
Speaker 1: Series two, right, yeah, the Queens City, Wes And you
Speaker 1: call your friends and family chumps for supporting the proteins.
Speaker 1: Just the Bengals, all right now, we are very happy
Speaker 1: to have one of our favorites, you know, m NFL
Speaker 1: network reporter. You catch him at the sidelines of the
Speaker 1: biggest games, and of course he is one of the
Speaker 1: hosts co host of the great Good Morning Football program
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. It is Peter Schreeger. What's up? Two
Speaker 1: years later, the Cincinnati Bearcats. We're giving everyone to run
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Speaker 1: Rod Monroe, Terry Nelson, I could name that whole starting five.
Speaker 1: We're bringing West right back. He just got a big
Speaker 1: fist pump by the West. This excited about a sports
Speaker 1: team in a long time. Come back to Cincinnati, West, Well,
Speaker 1: don't leave us, but and including the Bengals, come back
Speaker 1: be a fan again. But this TV show takes off,
Speaker 1: maybe I get a summer home Joe Burrow. All right,
Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Peter Schreeger. We love him for
Speaker 1: his insight and he's a good dude. And I was
Speaker 1: watching Good Morning Football just this morning, and Peter had
Speaker 1: some great takes on on the head coaching situations, uh
Speaker 1: in Carolina and and elsewhere. So I wanted to go
Speaker 1: through the latest head coach news and t pet up
Speaker 1: on something for some of this stuff. But let's start
Speaker 1: with like kind of the stunning news this morning, really
Speaker 1: that the Carolina Panthers had finalized the deal to bring
Speaker 1: Baylor coach Matt Rule on as the fifth permanent head
Speaker 1: coach in team history. Um and yeah, who first had it?
Speaker 1: Rap Sheet followed up with it and Peter This one
Speaker 1: really I think surprised people because the New York Giants
Speaker 1: has always that job, even if that franchise has been
Speaker 1: on falling on hard times in recent years. That's a
Speaker 1: prestige job, I believe you called it a blue blood
Speaker 1: franchise on g MFB and yet he doesn't even get
Speaker 1: up there. I mean, this thing, this caught everybody by surprise.
Speaker 1: Let me take it through a little bit of a timeline,
Speaker 1: because I've had a real good chance to speak to
Speaker 1: a lot of people around the league since that news dropped.
Speaker 1: Monday was a day in Waco, Texas for David Tepper
Speaker 1: and his group, which includes Marty Hernie, the current GM
Speaker 1: Stephen Drummond, who runs the PR department but has stayed
Speaker 1: a very big role also in sort of helping everyone
Speaker 1: vet these characters in these different coaching Canada. So they
Speaker 1: get down to Waco, Texas, and I explained this on
Speaker 1: Good Morning Football, or explained to your listeners, and I'll
Speaker 1: kind of maybe go a little deeper than what people
Speaker 1: know about Tepper Temper and I grew up in this area.
Speaker 1: Temper is viewed as one of the biggest mavericks slash
Speaker 1: most successful hedge fund managers in the history of American finance.
Speaker 1: He went from Goldman Sachs and created his own hedge
Speaker 1: fund called Apple Loosa. That Apperloosa hedge fund is worth
Speaker 1: billions and billions and billions of dollars and he's a
Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania guy who did it pretty much on his own,
Speaker 1: went and built this thing on his own. And when
Speaker 1: Enron went under, or a couple of years back, when
Speaker 1: banks like Lehman went under, what he did was he
Speaker 1: invested in the real world of American economy and doubled
Speaker 1: down on the banking system and doubled down on a
Speaker 1: lot of different assets that people were fleeing from and
Speaker 1: has made so much money being a guy who goes
Speaker 1: into rooms and closes. So when I heard that he
Speaker 1: had the first crack at Matt Rule, whether or not
Speaker 1: this was his guy or not, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: the situation was. I just knew that David Tepper was
Speaker 1: going to be sitting in the living room of Matt
Speaker 1: Rule in Waco, Texas, meeting with his family and providing
Speaker 1: what he can provide and offering what he can offer.
Speaker 1: I thought, this is not looking so good for the Giants,
Speaker 1: because if Tepper wants this guy, he's got a blank
Speaker 1: check waiting for him, and he also is a trained
Speaker 1: career in getting deals done. So from what I'm told,
Speaker 1: the pitch was this, it was essentially I don't know
Speaker 1: what new York has going on. I don't know wherever
Speaker 1: else everything else is going on. You've got a conslide here.
Speaker 1: There's a blank check to give you whatever you want
Speaker 1: to build things here. And I come from the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers outlook of franchise building. I don't want to flip
Speaker 1: over coaches every two years. When I got there in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: it was three names, Chuck Noll, Bill Coward, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: And that's been the case since nineteen seventy in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: That was the pitch to Matt Rule, and the pitch was,
Speaker 1: we want you to build this thing. It's a long
Speaker 1: term build and you can pick and choose what you
Speaker 1: need to have around you. And I think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, whether or not people are gonna
Speaker 1: comeut and say, well, the Giants actually didn't have him
Speaker 1: as the number one, you're gonna hear a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: It never was a situation where it got to that
Speaker 1: because they didn't even let him get on the plane.
Speaker 1: Where the Giants, in your belief or anything that's floating
Speaker 1: around out there, were they overconfident in this situation and
Speaker 1: didn't expect to be uh this to happen were they unprepared,
Speaker 1: not understanding the background of Tepper, Like what is the
Speaker 1: vibe that you're hearing or that you feel here? Tepper
Speaker 1: was to meet the Monday rules, supposed to meet with
Speaker 1: the Giants Brass on Tuesday, and temper is temper with
Speaker 1: the Giants Brass. It's John Mara, It's Steve Tish, It's
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, it's contract negotiation negotiator Kevin Abrams right there alone.
Speaker 1: It's four different people with four different roles within the organization.
Speaker 1: Two different owners, a GM, a contract guy who has
Speaker 1: a much bigger role in that building than people will
Speaker 1: necessarily um give him credit for. And Kevin Abrams. And
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, the type
Speaker 1: it was like, look, it's me and you, Bud, like,
Speaker 1: let's go and build this thing, let's break it down
Speaker 1: and let's get it done. The Giants, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: fell in love with Joe Judge, and that could be fine,
Speaker 1: and that could be their guy. But the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't even get out of his living room before
Speaker 1: agreeing to a deal with the bailor or I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers tells me a lot. It all
Speaker 1: there's been reports and there's a lot going on. I
Speaker 1: need to realize there are agents for all these coaches.
Speaker 1: There are there are team sources. Everyone wants to come
Speaker 1: out of this saying we got our first break. His
Speaker 1: hours were happy, were ecstatic. Joe George blew the Giants away,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And the Giants are gonna say, look,
Speaker 1: we've spoken the rules people. This was a good fit
Speaker 1: for everyone, and that's fine. I would just say this
Speaker 1: when in first New York papers, who are very connected
Speaker 1: with their beat reporters at the New York Giants, have
Speaker 1: Matt Rule on the cover of their New York papers
Speaker 1: on Monday morning, and the story by Monday at nine
Speaker 1: am in New York is that Matt Rules the new
Speaker 1: coature of the Carolina Panthers. There might be a lot
Speaker 1: of scrambling going on saying, Okay, well, we actually really
Speaker 1: like this guy, and let's push that narrative, and let's
Speaker 1: push this guy so we'll never hear if Matt Rules
Speaker 1: the number one from New York. From New York, and
Speaker 1: Adam Schifter tweeted out a very telling tweet saying, hey,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of media conjecture that wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: the truth of what was going on in the building.
Speaker 1: They wanted to meet Rule before they fell in love
Speaker 1: with him. But for several days now a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been saying Rule of the Giants McDaniels to
Speaker 1: the Panthers, and that was not the case. It's Rule
Speaker 1: of the Panthers and Joe Judge to the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: I think it's quite illuminating to hear you talk about
Speaker 1: David Tepper, who we've tried to get to know and
Speaker 1: figure out from a distance here in the studio, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very clear to see his powers
Speaker 1: and abilities to sell the Panthers. And I think Panthers
Speaker 1: fans listening to you speak would be suddenly extremely encouraged,
Speaker 1: which with what's happening there, because I could look at
Speaker 1: a guy like Jimmy hasm also learned inside the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers organization and has done the absolute opposite of what
Speaker 1: Temper is talking about building. What about Rule though? Sell?
Speaker 1: What did Rule do to sell this owner? Because he
Speaker 1: was inside the Jets building a year ago and that
Speaker 1: fell apart for different reasons. But it just seems like
Speaker 1: this is someone who's who comes into programs and some
Speaker 1: completely transforms them. Yeah, and if you think he's going
Speaker 1: to be one of these, how often that right? So
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury came in and wild the Cardinals Brass and
Speaker 1: is a totally different type of coach than Matt Rule. Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be insulted if I said he
Speaker 1: was a player's coach and empowers the player and says
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, talk to them as peters and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the best out of him. Matt Rule
Speaker 1: is no joke. He comes from a parcels background where
Speaker 1: that's his mentor in this industry. Obviously, he worked for
Speaker 1: Coughlin and he doesn't just build programs. He built programs
Speaker 1: in his likeness. And I think what Temper and the
Speaker 1: Carolina Brass really enjoyed, were really liked out of him,
Speaker 1: was that he's no nonsense. This is not Ron Rivera,
Speaker 1: this is not anyone that they've seen before. This is
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to build it from the ground up,
Speaker 1: is going to be a disciplinarian for a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons. So whether or not he's forty four or
Speaker 1: and you think okay, well, he's kind of appeared to
Speaker 1: some of these players. I don't think that's the I
Speaker 1: think he's sold temper on saying I'm gonna build this thing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a culture first and foremost, and no
Speaker 1: one's gonna get away with anything. We're gonna build it
Speaker 1: in a disciplinarian way, which I don't think players necessarily
Speaker 1: do flips for. But guess what, get on board. Because
Speaker 1: every player that has been interviewed, and I'm talking Robbie Anderson,
Speaker 1: I'm talking Hassan Reddick, these guys say that temper change,
Speaker 1: not temper rule, changed their lives at Temple. I haven't
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to speak with any of the Bailer
Speaker 1: guys he's coached. I'm just talking about the different players
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. Because guys, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just the Jets last year. Two years ago when McDaniels
Speaker 1: left him at the Altar UH in Indianapolis, they were
Speaker 1: scrambling quite a bit and they interviewed Matt Rule and
Speaker 1: let me try to Matt Rule really impressed the cults
Speaker 1: brass too, so he'd been through this a couple of
Speaker 1: times before Baylor paying college football coach money, and when
Speaker 1: I say that, I mean north of five million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, you know, like he didn't need to leave
Speaker 1: Bailor for the Carolina Panthers. So I think he's sold Tepper,
Speaker 1: and I think Tepper sold him, and they're gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna ride this thing together. Very curious to see who
Speaker 1: Matt Rule brings with him. We've seen a bunch of
Speaker 1: names tied to him. I'm not familiar with those names.
Speaker 1: One of them is Sean Ryan. I believe the other
Speaker 1: one was Snow, who was a defensive coach with him
Speaker 1: a builder. I don't know those guys. Not familiar with
Speaker 1: their work. Ryan had some NFL experience, But they're gonna
Speaker 1: build this thing not like a college program, but like
Speaker 1: an NFL program built in the likeness of a college coach. No,
Speaker 1: the informer guy Phil Phil Snow who is his college
Speaker 1: different at some had some time with the Lions. And
Speaker 1: then Sean Ryan, who's the Lions quarterback coach currently are
Speaker 1: reportedly going to be his coordinators. Don't know either one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Love the Canadian Rappers. Snow I loved
Speaker 1: I loved Percy Snow, the old player, But I do
Speaker 1: not Eric Snow, But I do not know Snow, and
Speaker 1: I guess that shows my show are coming. Sometimes as
Speaker 1: an insider, I don't know every single coach on every
Speaker 1: single staff. I'm sure he's wonderful, but that's not a
Speaker 1: name I'm familiar with, and we'll go from there. Strikes
Speaker 1: you and your brethren in the football insider industry, You
Speaker 1: guys mobilize immediately and fill our knowledge gap on Matt Rule.
Speaker 1: But one thing I've not heard from anybody today, Cam
Speaker 1: Newton appeared to be on the outs with Temper. Do
Speaker 1: you have any insight into what Cam Newton's future is
Speaker 1: specific to Matt Rule. I don't, And I think that's
Speaker 1: a very interesting subplot, not only for the Carolina Panthers obviously,
Speaker 1: but for a lot of teams that are looking for
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this offseason or could be looking for quarterbacks. And
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the primary decision here
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you, guys, when the Giants come in
Speaker 1: and talk to you, they say, Okay, Daniel Jones looks
Speaker 1: pretty established, say Combarky looks pretty established, and you're able
Speaker 1: to build with this team. When the Browns come and
Speaker 1: talk to you, they say, okay, well, Baker Mayfield had
Speaker 1: a pretty good rookie year. Let's throw out the second year.
Speaker 1: But let's see you least have something to build on
Speaker 1: here the Panthers. I'm not sure if Kim Newton was
Speaker 1: the lead the leads the excelling point on this one.
Speaker 1: And I'm also not sure that Mett Rule isn't like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me get a look at him first. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I can work with him. Because Cam Newton
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest athletic talents and one of
Speaker 1: the better quarterbacks we've seen in the past fifteen years.
Speaker 1: So fascinated to see how that plays out. I do
Speaker 1: not have a pipeline on what Matt Rules thinks of
Speaker 1: kimt I also, I would argue that Temper did not
Speaker 1: rule out Cam Newton mighty means either. They could have
Speaker 1: made those moves already and they could have come out
Speaker 1: of the gate saying that I almost got the feeling
Speaker 1: Temper was trying to slow the role on the idea
Speaker 1: that Cam Newton was heading elsewhere, that that noise might
Speaker 1: have been coming either from the front office from Newton's
Speaker 1: came who really knows, I mean John Rule, I mean
Speaker 1: Rules Matt Rules getting hired. I'm sure he's a great
Speaker 1: program builder. He's stern, he's all that. Like, he's not
Speaker 1: getting hired unless he was known for an innovative spread
Speaker 1: offense and we're in the year and that's what he's bringing.
Speaker 1: He's not getting the seven year contract, which is as
Speaker 1: long as we've seen and I think in NFL history
Speaker 1: Bruden for a first time coach to get a seven
Speaker 1: year contract that you know could go it's sixty two
Speaker 1: million dollar base Like, that's fine. He's doing it because
Speaker 1: he has an idea of how to run offenses into
Speaker 1: the next decade, and Cam Newton seems to fit that
Speaker 1: pretty well. If if you don't have other good options,
Speaker 1: like I would imagine that that would be an intriguing,
Speaker 1: you know, plan A or B for On the flip side,
Speaker 1: also though, you could see it as you have a
Speaker 1: grutenesque runway to do whatever you want, and that includes
Speaker 1: tearing this thing down to the studs before we let
Speaker 1: you go. Peter back to the Giants and Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: who had been obviously another Belicheck disciple, the special teams coordinator.
Speaker 1: He's worked with the wide receiver group. Uh, this one,
Speaker 1: it was like a double shock because you had whoa
Speaker 1: rules not going to the Giants and then before you
Speaker 1: could process it, bang they hire this guy Judge. What
Speaker 1: have you heard about him? What is the buzz around
Speaker 1: this guy? Was this somebody that was in demand behind
Speaker 1: the scenes? But what's the deal here? I'll give you
Speaker 1: the other shock to it. There's a third ripple to this.
Speaker 1: So Josh McDaniels was supposed to interview with the Panthers
Speaker 1: today by nine am, you know rules called the head coach,
Speaker 1: and then he supposed to interview with the Giants tomorrow
Speaker 1: and by the Giants have a high coach and it's
Speaker 1: but it's his colleague who was the special teams coordinator
Speaker 1: and the wide receivers coach. Here's what I've got on
Speaker 1: Joe Judge. And I got to be completely honest again
Speaker 1: a vulnerable spot here from me when I say that
Speaker 1: I knew he was interviewing and I have I have
Speaker 1: been told about Joe Judge throughout this season as a
Speaker 1: potential cave but I do not know Joe Judge personally.
Speaker 1: I like to think I know just about every coordinator
Speaker 1: in this league or head coach, and I go out
Speaker 1: of my way to I don't know Joe Judge, but
Speaker 1: his story is very interesting in that he went and
Speaker 1: worked for Sabin and then came with Belichick and I
Speaker 1: know the Giants. That is very appealing. Now, special teams coach,
Speaker 1: he got your X is an old guy. He's not
Speaker 1: your spread offense guy. He's certainly not going to be
Speaker 1: your defensive Let's coach him up. Special teams coach means
Speaker 1: he is a football guy who is going to run
Speaker 1: through a wall and is going to have your team
Speaker 1: well coached and prepared. That's the special teams coach to me. So,
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, honestly, that's not gonna be the Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: while you with the spread offense, and it's certainly not
Speaker 1: the Wink Martindale. I've been around for fifteen years coaching
Speaker 1: defenses and these guys are gonna respect me. This is
Speaker 1: more of your CEO type. He's got the respect I
Speaker 1: know in New England, I've spoken a lot of those guys.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, Joe is the absolute man. But to
Speaker 1: not even meet with McDaniels, who was you know, in
Speaker 1: a lot of people's minds at least going to get
Speaker 1: a look from the Panthers and Giants. Is what shocked
Speaker 1: me the most on this one. The rush to hire
Speaker 1: Joe Judge an hour after Rule was hired. Uh. Not
Speaker 1: to say that that the two things that anything connected
Speaker 1: with him, but shows me that either a Joe Judge
Speaker 1: lew them away in the meetings or be they're like
Speaker 1: crap rules are number one. He's our number two. Before
Speaker 1: another team the Browns, for example, can get their hands
Speaker 1: on Joe Judge, Let's make sure he's ours well. Ian
Speaker 1: indicated that the Mississippi State football job was Joe Judges
Speaker 1: and that uh affected the timeline that you know, he
Speaker 1: had to either say yes or no to that college job.
Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised that McDaniels. I'm surprised he didn't
Speaker 1: get the interview. I'm not surprised that the Giants didn't
Speaker 1: even want to do it because I think McDaniels was
Speaker 1: a nonstarter because Getleman is there, which is the same
Speaker 1: reason why Matt Rule might have been a non starter too.
Speaker 1: There's no indication that Josh McDaniels would have ever come
Speaker 1: into a place where he didn't have some level of
Speaker 1: control or at least a strong relationship with his front
Speaker 1: office and working under Dave Gettleman, who might be starting
Speaker 1: off on the hot seat. Uh, doesn't sound like something
Speaker 1: he would have been interested in. So I think if
Speaker 1: you're getting McDaniel, you're getting a whole package. And the
Speaker 1: Giants basically chose Gettleman over having flexibility because it's a
Speaker 1: great thing. I mean Matt Rule too. I think, Uh,
Speaker 1: that had to be something that was concerning for for
Speaker 1: Matt Rule. Of that you're basically inheriting Gettleman and Gettleman's
Speaker 1: in charge. I'm not gonna say that Marty Hernie isn't
Speaker 1: as um, you know, authoritative, or doesn't have the same
Speaker 1: trigger as as Dave Getleman does their power of the
Speaker 1: trigger as Dave Gentleman does. But I would say that
Speaker 1: Marty Hernie, who's who's still there in Carolina with Rule
Speaker 1: and Carolina he met with the enemy, he met with
Speaker 1: lives and it's like Marty's gonna work with you and
Speaker 1: we're going to figure this out. I don't know necessarily
Speaker 1: if that's the case in New York when you meet
Speaker 1: with the Giants, if it's Hey, Gettleman's gonna work with you,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna work with Gettleman, and I'm a Dave
Speaker 1: Getleman fan. I think Dave Gettleman done some some bold,
Speaker 1: big swing moves. But I also think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, if you look at the Giants and
Speaker 1: what they have in salary cap and some of the
Speaker 1: talent that they do have on the roster right now,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a terrible situation for a head coach
Speaker 1: to walk into, but you better be able to work
Speaker 1: with that general manager, and you better be able to
Speaker 1: want to work with that general manager. So to your point, Greg,
Speaker 1: when the Panthers come to you and say it's a
Speaker 1: blank slate, do what you want, and then the Giants
Speaker 1: come and meet with you, and there's four people in
Speaker 1: the room and it'say, sell yourself on the Giants, things
Speaker 1: get a little different. Peter Schraeger, you came and you
Speaker 1: did the damn. I mean, I'm watching your TV and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he's wearing a great bomber and he
Speaker 1: looks comfortable up there, and he's just delivering the information.
Speaker 1: You're a vital piece of the puzzle. They're in a
Speaker 1: very successful show that we all love. So thank you
Speaker 1: for um coming on and giving us the info. That
Speaker 1: we needed. I'll tell you, guys, it's really quickly. I'm
Speaker 1: on a flight to l A last Friday, three pm Pacific,
Speaker 1: six pm Easter, and I'm watching some rerun of a
Speaker 1: of an NFL regular season game on the NFL network.
Speaker 1: I'm about to change it, and then you guys came
Speaker 1: on in a smile from ear to ear on my
Speaker 1: face and I loved it. But it was great. And
Speaker 1: if the network executives are listening, why not let's give
Speaker 1: these boys on the TV show or their own. Let's
Speaker 1: let's look at this thing with our little foursome. Your foursome.
Speaker 1: You guys have Erica, we got Will Silva. Which world
Speaker 1: Which one of the four of us were you most
Speaker 1: impressed with? I gotta say, Mark, you had this this incredible,
Speaker 1: like one minute monologue where you what was going on
Speaker 1: with that? With that video feature and there was like
Speaker 1: spookiness going on, and there was a boat and I
Speaker 1: couldn't follow it to the life of me, but there
Speaker 1: were teams being washed up onto shore. That's not my kind,
Speaker 1: that's not my wheelhouse. I enjoyed it. I had no
Speaker 1: idea what the hell is going on? All the answer Marks,
Speaker 1: Look now, I was I was seeking something else there,
Speaker 1: but that's thank you for our support. I also wanted
Speaker 1: to correct we've really enjoyed your performance too. On those
Speaker 1: little promos where it's like the Playoffs NFL Network and
Speaker 1: you're doing the little point you know, it's it's like
Speaker 1: k in the front and you're in the back and
Speaker 1: you're just like, hey, I'm a guy. I'm pointing. And
Speaker 1: then it's like Irvin with the football and that that
Speaker 1: stuff is good handed me a football. I love the football.
Speaker 1: Just play the football. Sit it and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't do. I know you're gonna end up using that
Speaker 1: and it's not me. I mean, you've done that show
Speaker 1: long enough now where you've got to be at the
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell ten thousand hours. Think you got to have
Speaker 1: the whole thing masters at this point. Yeah, And my
Speaker 1: rule is no phone. I'm not steering at I'm not
Speaker 1: like doing the and I'm not knocking rout because he
Speaker 1: actually does have the phone in his hands at all time.
Speaker 1: I'm not defined by that. And I'm also not going
Speaker 1: to be spinning a football next to aprils and they're
Speaker 1: not gonna put Schreeger in a box. You won't all right, Peter,
Speaker 1: thank you, buddy, thank you. There he is Peter Schreeger.
Speaker 1: That guy does the damn thing. He just he's knowledgeable,
Speaker 1: and he's really good at his job and a nice
Speaker 1: fit here on the pod. He's got his ear to
Speaker 1: the ground like an old board chief waiting for the
Speaker 1: drums to start to kick off. You know, he knows
Speaker 1: when the battles come, and he knows everything ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Well put, we do like to occasionally dip into reporting
Speaker 1: of our own, and I think that we could even
Speaker 1: convince ourselves at moments that we have inside information. But
Speaker 1: it feels like a child compared to what he's offering.
Speaker 1: I think you could bring up anyone and he knows everything,
Speaker 1: and yet in a very Patriots manner, he still doesn't
Speaker 1: know Joe Joe. I mean, Joe Judge is about as
Speaker 1: under the radar as a head coaches. And he's pretty
Speaker 1: young guy, like thirty. Like even Patriots fans don't know
Speaker 1: anything about Joe Judge. The receiver. Bill Belichick actually this
Speaker 1: floated around. He he had a long statement from past
Speaker 1: this past summer about Joe Judge and basically said he
Speaker 1: can coach any position on the field. He had a
Speaker 1: lot of faith in him. I would imagine because Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is such a special teams obsessive special teams historian,
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna just hand that role to anyone.
Speaker 1: He must know the world about the sounds of it.
Speaker 1: When you do look back at the quotes, Beltics said,
Speaker 1: he clearly believes that Joe Judge can be a great
Speaker 1: NFL head coach, and that he was kind of taking
Speaker 1: him under his wing in a in a in a
Speaker 1: unique way, meeting with him weekly. You know, maybe compared
Speaker 1: to any other coach I can think of, maybe other
Speaker 1: than to Peter's point, which I thought was a good one,
Speaker 1: when you uh take a special teams coach who's a
Speaker 1: guy that's usually you know, a guy that's about the
Speaker 1: playing hard x x nos go get it um energy,
Speaker 1: and you put him at the head coach at the
Speaker 1: time where the league is about finding the next architect,
Speaker 1: the next brilliant guy that can take your offense to
Speaker 1: another level. It does feel like a Dave Gentleman higher
Speaker 1: that it's like football is about hot and it's about passion.
Speaker 1: It's about being on time and making the plays when
Speaker 1: you need to make it. Maybe it works, but it's
Speaker 1: a little bit outside the box of what we've seen
Speaker 1: with some recent high profile you gotta you gotta have
Speaker 1: a great staff and uh like, that's gonna be his
Speaker 1: big challenge. And I think with McDaniels now being up
Speaker 1: in the air and Judge gone, it is remarkable all
Speaker 1: the people that have left New England, of which McDaniels
Speaker 1: could still be one. Just in the last couple of
Speaker 1: years Floors, O'Shea, Joe, Judge, Matt Patricia, and then I
Speaker 1: can name three or four other lower level assistance maybe
Speaker 1: Nick Cassario, like it is, has been a total house
Speaker 1: the pastor Easter b whatever his name is. Uh wait,
Speaker 1: we got some breaking news. Just hold that thought, Ricky,
Speaker 1: what do we got this? Just in I have a
Speaker 1: text from Peter Schrager himself saying Mark isn't upset with
Speaker 1: what I just said, Not in the least, not in
Speaker 1: the least. I couldn't have. I just I am just
Speaker 1: surprised and happy that he watched the show. By the way,
Speaker 1: the show did very well in the ratings. I gave
Speaker 1: you that information on Sunday night, and I have that confirmed.
Speaker 1: I texted him back and I said, yeah, he just
Speaker 1: said from the show. You should not be conducting the
Speaker 1: head conversation about me and I'm going to Mark without
Speaker 1: speaking to Mark first. You're raging mad Ay. That's also
Speaker 1: right well handled. I mean he said breaking news. He said, um,
Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna like ever forget me? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I think it'll be fine. And
Speaker 1: then he goes, but does he hate me? I mean,
Speaker 1: is just it would be a situation where Mark, I
Speaker 1: love you, but like four hours from today, I'll be
Speaker 1: at home and I'll get a text from Mark like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you do you think Sregar really didn't like my segment? No,
Speaker 1: I won't. Why do you always put Segar on the
Speaker 1: spot like that? I remember our laves the same thing.
Speaker 1: At the last interview with him, you asked him who
Speaker 1: does he respect that any without any without thinking about it,
Speaker 1: he said, Greg, so I wanted to dig into that topic.
Speaker 1: It wasn't agree with that. So he gave an honest answer.
Speaker 1: All right, I enjoy him. At some point you should
Speaker 1: keep asking him that until he just says, Mark, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going for. He could he could end
Speaker 1: this charade by just answering the rest. See your point,
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, is our buddy Shawn O'Hara,
Speaker 1: who once found us, you know, acting like we were
Speaker 1: passed out in Dion Sanders special room and we blew
Speaker 1: his mind. He was on and pointed out that the
Speaker 1: Giants have had the last two head coaches offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked out with McAdoo and Shermer. The
Speaker 1: goal this time around was not just leadership, but to
Speaker 1: be to instill a more physical philosophy on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball, which seems to fit well with geentleman
Speaker 1: and his hog. Molly's all right, Let's now move to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, who um on Monday after we are Sunday
Speaker 1: pot where he talked a little bit about the Cowboy
Speaker 1: situation where he learned that Jason Garrett officially was out
Speaker 1: at Dallas. They announced that UM, Mike McCarthy is their
Speaker 1: new head coach. He signed a deal um to become
Speaker 1: Dallas's new head coach. UH. The deal became official on
Speaker 1: Tuesday when it was announced it's a five year contract
Speaker 1: and the hiring came less than a day after the
Speaker 1: Garrett era officially ended. McCarthy spent last season out of football,
Speaker 1: of course, after thirteen seasons the head coach of the Packers. Now,
Speaker 1: there's been some criticism out there Mark that after you
Speaker 1: went through this whole era of Garrett and all theticism
Speaker 1: that seemed to last half a decade at least, uh,
Speaker 1: that you kind of hired someone that's similar to Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett as a coach. Did you do you buy into
Speaker 1: that criticism of this higher the resume isn't similar. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand with the the overall kind of cue rating
Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy nos dive during that final year in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. But he has made the playoffs nine out
Speaker 1: of thirteen years with the Packers tenan eight postseason record
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl title. That's everything that Jason Garrett could
Speaker 1: not accomplish with very talents. Gart. I don't see. I
Speaker 1: know he has his own offense, good or bad. He does,
Speaker 1: and there's also whispers of him wanting Kellen Moore to
Speaker 1: stick around, so that that the one I want to
Speaker 1: know about Mike McCarthy is what is the offense? What
Speaker 1: are we going to see? Because he went through this
Speaker 1: sojourn year and he went through this remaking and rethinking
Speaker 1: about how to you know, run a team and run
Speaker 1: his own attack that felt stale by the end. So
Speaker 1: what new wrinkles along with this, you know, personal pr
Speaker 1: triumph because I mean the attention around Mike McCarthy over
Speaker 1: the US month. I mean, anyone that gets into any
Speaker 1: sort of trouble should hire the people that Mike McCarthy hired.
Speaker 1: What are we really going to get the guy that's
Speaker 1: that he's replacing should take notes because McCarthy, well, they
Speaker 1: literally share an agent, which is an I mean, all
Speaker 1: the very many a lot of these coaches have the
Speaker 1: same agent, but McCarthy and Garrett share the same agent.
Speaker 1: So while McCarthy was literally in Jerry Jones's house and
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, according to Jay Glazer, was pushing as hard
Speaker 1: as he can to keep the Cowboys job, he was not.
Speaker 1: You know that the part of the reason that took
Speaker 1: a week was he was not going down without a fight.
Speaker 1: That's what Glazier said. The same guy is representing both.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a joke to me, How is
Speaker 1: that not a joke? Wild seems like a conflict of
Speaker 1: interest My one reservation. I know there's been criticisms of
Speaker 1: his offense, but just thinking back to the last I
Speaker 1: don't know half a decade, but the Packers, this guy
Speaker 1: is a known lead sitter. He will sit on leads
Speaker 1: for an entire quarter, an entire half. You read, Vince
Speaker 1: Lombardi says, one of the first lessons he learned, and
Speaker 1: it was a hard lesson to learn, don't sit on
Speaker 1: the ball for an entire quarter. I don't know Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy selling this six person video unit, eight person analytics team.
Speaker 1: He's got a fourteen person technical football technology department. Maybe
Speaker 1: they can help him with that area that killed some
Speaker 1: of his Packers, right, he struggled in game management, like
Speaker 1: Garrett did, I do wonder if keeping Kellen Moore or
Speaker 1: strongly considering it, you know, if Jerry Jones was pushing
Speaker 1: up was part of the deal that that I think
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones wanted to keep Kellen Moore and whether that
Speaker 1: was you know, part of the conversation that they had
Speaker 1: with I mean, and Kellen Moore has an open invitation
Speaker 1: to go to the University of Washington and become thearoh
Speaker 1: C too, So that made intensify or move that decision up.
Speaker 1: And we should say McCarthy, it's been reported is gonna
Speaker 1: bring in expected to bring in Mike Nolan as his
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Nolan um was his boss back with the
Speaker 1: forty now Miners way back in two thousand five. We're
Speaker 1: only going to wear the suit. I like that. I
Speaker 1: want to know if the suit is back, because are
Speaker 1: you allowed to do that today? I don't know that
Speaker 1: be crazy not to allow it, but I mean I
Speaker 1: could see them in all these like team logo, apparel business,
Speaker 1: and some know how to look good in it and
Speaker 1: some simply have not grasp that concept, like Mike Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan was the head coach back in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was his coordinator on one of the worst
Speaker 1: teams I've ever seen with tim Ertay, Ken Dorsey, Alex
Speaker 1: Smith rookie year. They were dead last in in yards
Speaker 1: and offense and defense. But that actually was a good
Speaker 1: reminder for me of like, coaching hires are impossible to predict.
Speaker 1: I mean everything in football's boss would pick, but especially
Speaker 1: coaching hires. Because the Packers hired Mike McCarthy off that
Speaker 1: season off coordinating the worst offense in football, and everyone
Speaker 1: at the time was like, what, really, you're hiring Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy And it worked like Gangbusters the first five years
Speaker 1: he was there. Who the hell knows. We are also
Speaker 1: up west to your point about McCarthy and that bad,
Speaker 1: bad trait of sitting on leeds the five year anniversary
Speaker 1: of to me, outside of the Super Bowl with the Falcons,
Speaker 1: the worst collapse we've ever seen Seattle Green Bay, a
Speaker 1: game that I'm not even a Packers fan, and that
Speaker 1: last still sticks to me. And that was a perfect
Speaker 1: example of a guy that took the air out of
Speaker 1: his own ball. I think it's a bigger choke job
Speaker 1: than the Falcons game. When you see the coaching moves
Speaker 1: that we're made and the way the team played, I
Speaker 1: think it was a bigger I credit the Patriots more
Speaker 1: than the than more than I blame the Falcons. Um
Speaker 1: all right, and one more head coaching job left, Mark.
Speaker 1: I believe you are aware of this, that the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns remains, so they've they've taken the opposite path. This
Speaker 1: is what bad teams typically do. But maybe this is
Speaker 1: the right path to do, which is whatever you did
Speaker 1: the last time, do the opposite. So you didn't even
Speaker 1: look outside the building last time, said Freddy Kitchens, our guy.
Speaker 1: Now they're looking everywhere Jim Schwartz. They're requesting an interview
Speaker 1: with the Eagles d C in former Lions head coach.
Speaker 1: I believe he will be mark the eighth interview. And
Speaker 1: now there's no rush because nobody else is looking to
Speaker 1: hire a head coach. Uh, So it just becomes a
Speaker 1: matter of them deciding who's the right guy. They have
Speaker 1: the pick of everybody that's left. How you feeling right now?
Speaker 1: This is like I'm always a split mind here. But
Speaker 1: the weird outlier to this little journey that they've been
Speaker 1: on is that I thought that Jimmy Haslum's press conference
Speaker 1: last week, and I've been swayed by his press conferences
Speaker 1: before because that's not that he has skills in that area.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the best one that he's ever
Speaker 1: had with the Browns, and as disastrous as everything was
Speaker 1: last year, I do wonder if at some point in
Speaker 1: this job, in this thing where you've gone through this
Speaker 1: process so many times, that you are learning. And I
Speaker 1: I viewed the removal of John Dorsey ultimately as trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, against what the Giants have done is not
Speaker 1: shove potential candidates inside a front office that that that
Speaker 1: already would have had a powerful voice in John Dorsey
Speaker 1: that I think it opened up the doorway for Josh
Speaker 1: mcday niels and whoever he wants to bring along with him.
Speaker 1: A lot of these interviews, the Brian Dables and maybe
Speaker 1: even Jim Schwartz, I view more as uh potential exploratory talks.
Speaker 1: And you know Schwartz is on our contract, but dable
Speaker 1: to me as a potential coordinator type. I have just
Speaker 1: felt all along the Josh McDaniels. You thought, since two
Speaker 1: weeks ago this was gonna be mc daniel. I have,
Speaker 1: and like I, I guess you know the the news
Speaker 1: happened so quickly this morning that I thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna lose Josh McDaniels, potentially because he was sitting after
Speaker 1: all these other scheduled interviews. I I don't know what
Speaker 1: I wanted as a Browns fan, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I want. To Greg's point, I find these these coaching
Speaker 1: hires so unpredictable that you know, who knows how it's
Speaker 1: gonna go. But I like the idea. What I didn't
Speaker 1: want was shoving a candidate with people already in place,
Speaker 1: that whoever it is brings their own people and it
Speaker 1: sounds like that there's an open flexibility from the Housel's
Speaker 1: on down to allow whoever it is to come in
Speaker 1: and craft their own organization, which they desperately need to
Speaker 1: do to keep pace with the Ravens and Steelers catch up,
Speaker 1: much less keep pace. They interviewed Dable on Monday. McDaniels
Speaker 1: scheduled to interview on Friday. Kevin Stefanski also expected to
Speaker 1: interview UM this week. Jim Schwartz today. So almost you
Speaker 1: know three of those four from the Belichick tree, including
Speaker 1: Schwartz Uh one of the rare candidates who checks the
Speaker 1: boxes of Belichick Tree, approved by the analytics crowd, approved
Speaker 1: by unnamed sources, and the executive ranks. He seems to
Speaker 1: be liked by a lot of people. It would be interesting,
Speaker 1: McDaniels if now was the time to go. There's a thought,
Speaker 1: you know in New England that as as uncertain as
Speaker 1: the Browns are, and I think ownership would probably be
Speaker 1: the biggest concern for him. Um that the Patriots is
Speaker 1: more uncertain, that he doesn't know what what's up. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know like the staff, there is very strange. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know if Brady is gonna be back. They certainly
Speaker 1: didn't have. You know, everything is kind of up in
Speaker 1: the air in New England to Steve Belichicks starting to
Speaker 1: rise up the ranks. Is McDaniels still the next in line? Well, well,
Speaker 1: while we're on this topic, let's hit that. Uh. Robert Kraft,
Speaker 1: the owner of the Patriots, spoke to Peter King in
Speaker 1: his Football Morning in America column and um had this
Speaker 1: to say about Tom Brady and what his future holds. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, my hope and my prayer is number one,
Speaker 1: he played for the Patriots, or number two he retires.
Speaker 1: He has the freedom to decide what he wants to
Speaker 1: do and what's in his own best personal interest, and
Speaker 1: um craft what he doesn't want to see here. He
Speaker 1: does not want to see Johnny United is on the charges,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to see Joe Namath on the Rams,
Speaker 1: and he certainly doesn't want to see Tom Brady on
Speaker 1: someone's billboards. Uh in twenty as the all time great
Speaker 1: quarterback now associated with a different team, which I totally get.
Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that he would come out
Speaker 1: and say that, like I'd rather him be gone totally. Uh.
Speaker 1: Than returned to the page three. It's the fan, but
Speaker 1: I totally get where he's coming from. Right. It seemed
Speaker 1: like after reading that article that if Kraft is running
Speaker 1: this instead of Belichick, and I don't know if after
Speaker 1: twenty years and what Brady's accomplished, maybe the owner is
Speaker 1: running this decision. He want He definitely wants Brady back.
Speaker 1: I think Brady, if you kind of you know, pick
Speaker 1: the words that he chose, he you know, he probably
Speaker 1: wants to be back to Tom Current wrote a great
Speaker 1: piece which I linked to on Twitter about the situation
Speaker 1: and look Tom Tom in about six words, he kind
Speaker 1: of described he explained the entire Brady vantage point and
Speaker 1: that the lack of money that he's gotten in the
Speaker 1: last handful of years, the kind of push and pull
Speaker 1: between Belichick always maybe kind of looking at when are
Speaker 1: we going to get out of this? And to where
Speaker 1: he is now? And uh, I think Brady probably wants
Speaker 1: to be back too, And the question is whether Belichick
Speaker 1: really wants him back and and whether Brady would just
Speaker 1: take a lesser deal to come back because that might
Speaker 1: be the only choice he has. I mean, how often fascinating.
Speaker 1: What is the track record of Bill Belichick clinging to
Speaker 1: players in decline? I mean not to bring up the
Speaker 1: Browns again. But when he when he cut Bernie Coozar,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest story in the league that year,
Speaker 1: and it was a shocker to Browns fans. But he
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, he correctly assessed that players diminishing, as he said,
Speaker 1: and when that, where are we with Tom Brady? I mean,
Speaker 1: even before this season, I thought that was a great
Speaker 1: detail he had. You know, he was really hoping for
Speaker 1: the contract that Breeze got Tom Brady was which was
Speaker 1: a two year, fifty million dollar type uh extension. He's
Speaker 1: coming off a super Bowl win, a season he played
Speaker 1: pretty well on balance, certainly had an epic a f
Speaker 1: C Championship Game performance, and couldn't get that, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, coming off the best comeback
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history. He was looking for a new
Speaker 1: contract and he got a bunch of incentives added to
Speaker 1: his deal that he didn't reach even while they're making
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl again. So it's like they've they've been
Speaker 1: playing hardball with Brady awhile and there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of reason to think they'll change it now other than
Speaker 1: they don't have any option behind. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the the idea of them. Just not being ready to
Speaker 1: say goodbye really could work to Brady's advantage to that
Speaker 1: Brady Craft doesn't want him to leave, and if it
Speaker 1: if it takes a few extra million dollars ten, ten
Speaker 1: million dollars to keep the greatest player in the history
Speaker 1: of the franchise and arguably the history of the league
Speaker 1: in business with him for another year. I just want
Speaker 1: to Brady, I think has a thought in his head
Speaker 1: because he's wired this way. Who's gonna want me? I'm
Speaker 1: forty three. My team just struggled down the stretch. I'm
Speaker 1: not you know, he doesn't want to go join some
Speaker 1: rebuilding team, Like he's gonna want a good situation. How
Speaker 1: confident is he that he's going to get a better
Speaker 1: situation than having to move his entire family or go
Speaker 1: live by himself and learn a new offense. It's like
Speaker 1: he struggled enough dealing with Jacoby Myers and nikkil Harry, Like,
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do going to you know, there's only
Speaker 1: so many situations that I think he's gonna see and
Speaker 1: think that actually it's a very like complicated game of chicken.
Speaker 1: To your point, Mark, I guess it would take for
Speaker 1: this thing to maybe the Browns and Josh McDaniel. I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe to um the point that you were making.
Speaker 1: Maybe the only way this doesn't happen a deal is
Speaker 1: that Bellichick kind of behind the scene says no, we
Speaker 1: need to move on. But I don't know if that
Speaker 1: happens though on some level, I mean, he was ready
Speaker 1: to go, Jimmy g They mean they've been trying to
Speaker 1: plan this out for a decade and Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, though, Kraft is Bellichick's boss,
Speaker 1: So I feel like if Brady wants to come back
Speaker 1: and Craft want some back, maybe that leads to more issues.
Speaker 1: Maybe Mark you well, he's not going to the Giants now,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, we know that. Oh I've lost sandwiches on that,
Speaker 1: but you know it's need didn't come a uh too quick. Uh.
Speaker 1: Coordinator stories before we get to our coaches draft Scott Turner,
Speaker 1: son of Norm Norm Norm Turner. That sounds fun. Uh
Speaker 1: he will be the new offensive coordinator of the Redskins. Uh,
Speaker 1: so he he gets that job. Your thoughts on that
Speaker 1: last you gotta thought you gotta take Scott Turner. Scott Turner, Baby,
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how he and Mark got into
Speaker 1: a confrontation. Well, oh yeah, that it wasn't a confrontation.
Speaker 1: I I overstepped what I saw an early morning at
Speaker 1: an airport on the way to the Combine. We happened
Speaker 1: to be on the same connecting flight to Indiana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was none of you guys were around. I
Speaker 1: was alone. I had this weird flight and like, so
Speaker 1: I won't you know in this like kind of waiting area,
Speaker 1: went up to him and tried to approach and have
Speaker 1: a conversation. Hey, I'm Mark Sessler from NFL dot com,
Speaker 1: I think, I said, And he's just like staring right
Speaker 1: through me and just could not have been less uh
Speaker 1: interested in speaking with me. And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: It was like six five and the more or something.
Speaker 1: But how much younger is he than you? I think
Speaker 1: he is younger than me by a number of years.
Speaker 1: I think he did a good job with Carolina. He's
Speaker 1: getting most of the credit for actually coordinating that offense,
Speaker 1: even before he was officially named the play caller. All
Speaker 1: things considered, I think they did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: Questions here, but how did you recognize Scott Turner at
Speaker 1: the airport? Well, because he had been on the He
Speaker 1: had been on the brown staff, so you know, I
Speaker 1: that got that was the staff. I think he was
Speaker 1: might have been the quarterbacks coach or but he's still
Speaker 1: You've been known to football people in airports, but there
Speaker 1: I forgot, nor was there. Norv kept bringing him around everywhere.
Speaker 1: Norv was with the Browns for one year. North North's
Speaker 1: been everywhere. But we're at the front. Jimmy G. Well,
Speaker 1: we had a very nice conversation with Jimmy G. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just gotta go for it. Roman was is not confronted.
Speaker 1: We had a wonderful time for about twenty minutes. Um,
Speaker 1: It's what Jane Haskins, Well, I think we aren't getting
Speaker 1: old when the head coaches of our childhood, their sons
Speaker 1: and you know, are now getting these jobs happening. Finally,
Speaker 1: the Rams have moved on from Wade Phillips, the veteran
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, is out. His contract expired at the end
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen season and the Rams declined to
Speaker 1: renew it. Once upon a time, he was the perfect
Speaker 1: guy to be in that building. You had the young,
Speaker 1: hot shot offensive coach in Sean McVeigh, uh West and
Speaker 1: then Uh son of bum. He was the grizzled veteran
Speaker 1: with the resume, with the knowledge, with the know how.
Speaker 1: But I guess it got to a point where they
Speaker 1: feel like they need to freshen things up in l A.
Speaker 1: And I don't exactly blame them. Well, Mike Silver had
Speaker 1: this a few weeks ago, and I've been reading quite
Speaker 1: a bit on it. It seems like Bill Belichick taught
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh something about versatility and adaptability in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And as much as Sean McVeigh appreciated Wade phillips scheme
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: scheme heavy now. He wants to be sitting situation, game
Speaker 1: plan opponents specific to adapt. And I think they want
Speaker 1: to bring in some run, younger guys with with fresher ideas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think both. I think two things canna be true.
Speaker 1: That Phillips did an incredible job, and on some level
Speaker 1: this is unfair, you know, because the defense was better
Speaker 1: than Sean mcveigh's offense this year. It's not even it's
Speaker 1: not even a question. And the defense was certainly better
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, where what Bill Belichick said before
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl was absolutely true. Like we he's like,
Speaker 1: they asked him about the game, but he's like, we
Speaker 1: know what way it's gonna do. Doesn't mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be easy to go against it. We we've been going
Speaker 1: against this defense in different cities for every year and
Speaker 1: it basically looks the exact same. And you know what,
Speaker 1: it was good enough for the Broncos to beat the
Speaker 1: Patriots a few times and win a Super Bowl, is
Speaker 1: good enough to hold the Patriots the thirteen points last year.
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't change, just doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: fit with what Sean McVeigh wants, and that's understanding. I
Speaker 1: would imagine if there's any hard feelings there that they
Speaker 1: will ultimately be fine because none of us can know
Speaker 1: how much it helped Sean mc a to have the knowledge,
Speaker 1: the experience, the respect, and just the overall aura of
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips in that building. I think the reason that
Speaker 1: they were able to turn it around so quickly and
Speaker 1: flip the switch. He has a huge part to take
Speaker 1: their defense, especially in seventeen. Mcveigh's first year was fantastic
Speaker 1: and Wade Phillips turned seventy three in June. Uh he's
Speaker 1: a coach. He's the son of a coach son. I
Speaker 1: imagine he will be scooped up and be someone else's DC.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can be president, I guess why not. Hey,
Speaker 1: Joe Judge needs an offensive and defensive coordinator, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that feels I would fit in with the old
Speaker 1: maybe a little top monk in Wade Phillips act. All right,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's have some fun here this. I have to give
Speaker 1: the credit to uh Maddie Tanton and Jason Kleman who
Speaker 1: helped um. They produce the Power Rankings digital show that
Speaker 1: I do with money and Cynthia. We had a quarterback
Speaker 1: draft for the playoffs this morning and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: that's fun. And I felt two on the nose to
Speaker 1: straight steal that idea. But if I just change what
Speaker 1: we're talking about and then steal the idea, didn't feel
Speaker 1: quite is Larcene? I mean, I have all these ideas
Speaker 1: have been done. It's good, alright, So we will do
Speaker 1: a playoff coaches draft. There eight playoff teams remaining eight
Speaker 1: head coaches and um, yes it's uh the age order
Speaker 1: which worked out for maybe, which, So wow, that really
Speaker 1: worked out for the guy who made up the rules.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny how it does work out like that.
Speaker 1: So I have let's see what our choice, yes get.
Speaker 1: You also don't get to make your last way. You
Speaker 1: don't even know who the coach gets. You get stuck
Speaker 1: with the eighth pick. Maybe can I pick one of
Speaker 1: the coaches that are out for the eighth pick? Just
Speaker 1: get to know, absolutely not seen the rules on the fly.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get a coordinator from one of these teams.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get the guy you wanted. Eight anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: here we go, Gaze is available. Your favorite little your
Speaker 1: favorite little a f C South coach, You'll still be
Speaker 1: there at eight. Little love it ranked, I ranked the
Speaker 1: top seven. I was like, it's a given that Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien's going last. Wow, I don't know, I have the seventh.
Speaker 1: I have the seventh pick, And well, did you watch
Speaker 1: the first forty minutes of the Wild cri Hey? My
Speaker 1: front office is gonna have to examine. Can I just say,
Speaker 1: though they happened to beat the team that West thought
Speaker 1: was gonna like run through the playoffs, and the next
Speaker 1: year you saw that the coaching victory. Go home Bills
Speaker 1: and go home West because Bill O'Brien. Uber have you
Speaker 1: seen Bill O'Brien on all of his wild card weekends?
Speaker 1: Stop it thirty and nothing chiefs come out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean Bill O'Brien's got more winning seasons by far
Speaker 1: than Ron Rivera does over the last decade. Ron Rivera
Speaker 1: is not in this exercise. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Here are the choices. Of course, I know everyone knows,
Speaker 1: but maybe you're new to the game and this is
Speaker 1: your first real like connection with the NFL buying time
Speaker 1: so you can figure out how the coaches. We have
Speaker 1: Zimmer of the Vikings. We have Kyle Shanahan of the Niners.
Speaker 1: We have b O b with the Texans. You have
Speaker 1: Andy Reid with the Used, Mike Rabel with the Titans,
Speaker 1: John Harbor at the Ravens, Pete Carrol with the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and Matt Leflaire. I'm loving having the two pick because
Speaker 1: I'm just loving it. One pick is not great. Actually
Speaker 1: Belichick was there, Bank I got it, but he's not here.
Speaker 1: He's home to Greg just without it's the same. It's
Speaker 1: a relief. How about how about Bill Belichick coaching one
Speaker 1: more game and been out of Gaze this year. How
Speaker 1: about when you just cut it down, That's one way
Speaker 1: to look at it. But yeah, I just those facts,
Speaker 1: all right. The first pick is gonna be I don't
Speaker 1: argue Gaze didn't coach. How about creating a memory that
Speaker 1: will live in Patriots Jets lore forever on Monday Night football?
Speaker 1: You know what more did they really need after that game?
Speaker 1: That's all you get? All right, here we go. The
Speaker 1: first pick will be who I'm seeing goose still. The
Speaker 1: first pick will be this is tough. You've had this.
Speaker 1: You've been on clock all day since he came up
Speaker 1: with this segment. Uh, you know what. I love him
Speaker 1: And you can come after and say he's got a
Speaker 1: scarred postseason history, he can't run the clock. But Andy
Speaker 1: Reid is my pick. Andy Reid, Uh is just a
Speaker 1: guy that I love a guy. Yes, is does he
Speaker 1: have some baggage? Yes? But do I feel like when
Speaker 1: a team hits the field of these eight remaining coaches
Speaker 1: that they're going to be well prepared, that they're going
Speaker 1: to have a scheme on offense at works and what
Speaker 1: he's been able to prove, He's built a whole program
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. That defense has gotten better and better
Speaker 1: as the season's gone along, and at the top of
Speaker 1: the food chain. Uh, he's responsible for that as well.
Speaker 1: So Andy Reid is my first pick and the first
Speaker 1: overall pick of the Coaches Draft. Your thoughts, I don't
Speaker 1: give him a pass for losing those playoff games with
Speaker 1: Alex Smith at quarterback. What I do think, though, is
Speaker 1: that he had a level of talent le Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: that Andy Reid probably would be a two time Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winner at this point. He's you know, I can't
Speaker 1: argue with the pick at all, totally solid. He's one
Speaker 1: of the best offensive minds, one of the best quarterback handlers.
Speaker 1: To me, I had him ranked third and the only
Speaker 1: reason was he's failed in game management. Yeah, he would
Speaker 1: have been in my top two. It's if you're just
Speaker 1: starting an organization, especially if you know he's a little
Speaker 1: a little younger, he may be he's choice number one.
Speaker 1: Now if you get into a playoff FID and it's
Speaker 1: in this and among these eight, uh oh, I'm not no,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Andy Reid. That. Yeah, to me, it
Speaker 1: was I knew what my top twur dan and you
Speaker 1: took one of them so um so I I don't
Speaker 1: have any problem with that. I think he integrated somehow underrated.
Speaker 1: I love this. I feel like we have the same
Speaker 1: conversation last year and then it ended with broken hearts
Speaker 1: against the Patriots in the NFC title game. I want
Speaker 1: Andy Reid at opening night, the media night. I want
Speaker 1: him on the platform next to Nance or whom, whom,
Speaker 1: whomever it will be after with the confetti coming down,
Speaker 1: it's time for Andy Reid to have his epic moment.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm going with read number two three and
Speaker 1: he put up thirty one points on the Patriots when
Speaker 1: Sean mcveigh's rams put up three. I mean, he's an
Speaker 1: offensive guy. That's what I want in two thousand in twenty,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm going. Kyle Shanahan, who's kind of
Speaker 1: to me that does that sound? Was my I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get him at number four. But
Speaker 1: now you isolate that that was something that that almost
Speaker 1: compared to Greg's throat noise that it was just a sigh.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to, I mean, and it was
Speaker 1: a little erotic. It was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Guys like, well, that's he was my number one pick overall.
Speaker 1: Do you love Kyle? You love yourself some Kyle. I
Speaker 1: know that. I think he's He's everything you want because
Speaker 1: he's the He's the best combination I think of modern
Speaker 1: philosophies and aggressiveness and offense and week to week game
Speaker 1: planning with a groundwork foundation that's really built from Carrie
Speaker 1: Kubiak and from Mike Shanahan and is tried and true.
Speaker 1: And he can do anything that you want, Like he
Speaker 1: can install a great running game, a great passing game,
Speaker 1: and I do think he has a big global vision
Speaker 1: two as a head coach, he would have been my
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. I'm excited to get him. Let's
Speaker 1: shot by you might be the best offensive mind in football.
Speaker 1: The hats a little on my radar, the hat with
Speaker 1: the flap. And that's the biggest problem you have with
Speaker 1: not what I mean anyone would have with a coach.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, I'll take it. I mean this
Speaker 1: was like the players like him. He's young, like he
Speaker 1: just checks all the box and he and he and
Speaker 1: he fulfilled his promise. You know, it seemed a little
Speaker 1: star crossed the first two years and then once he
Speaker 1: got the roster that was healthy and the quarterback was
Speaker 1: on the field. He proved that he's a guy that
Speaker 1: can coach a team. So yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: solid number two pick. And that takes us now to
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, the third, uh youngest member of the group.
Speaker 1: You're well, just like I had Bill O'Brien and his
Speaker 1: own tier at the bottom, I had John Harbow in
Speaker 1: his own tier at the top, easily the number one pick.
Speaker 1: I know Greg's always hated him as a coach to
Speaker 1: get him fired on this pros like a side west singer,
Speaker 1: Greg put him on the hot seat year after years
Speaker 1: one of the five best coaches. All I did was
Speaker 1: kept pointing out that their own owner said I considered
Speaker 1: firing him. To use your own football analysis and realize this,
Speaker 1: he can't get fired one of the best coaches and
Speaker 1: it's good. Doesn't mean he almost didn't lose his job.
Speaker 1: And then neither runaway pick for coaching go ahead day.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, when I did the hot
Speaker 1: butt rankings in August, I had it on good authority
Speaker 1: from someone that's super plugged in the league that Harbor
Speaker 1: was not as safe as people thought. And then they
Speaker 1: went fourteen and two and that was so there was
Speaker 1: some type of rumblings that he needs. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I expect you to use your football analysis and realize
Speaker 1: he's too good of a coach to allow that to happen.
Speaker 1: Good coaches get fired. But also belle It's chick didn't
Speaker 1: get fired because he's that good in Harball's not Belichick level,
Speaker 1: but right there. Under Coach of the Year this year.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have Sanahan for that. I think Shanahan would
Speaker 1: have had a strong number two. Considering all the injuries
Speaker 1: that they had that they overcome to go thirteen and three.
Speaker 1: In the schedule that they play, they could have easily
Speaker 1: beaten the Ravens if they got But I would put
Speaker 1: Harbor number one for sure. He has picked the right coordinators.
Speaker 1: He has chosen to revolutionize offense. Go all in on
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, all in on their philosophy, their vision and
Speaker 1: still confidence with this team and use analytics in a
Speaker 1: game management way that has given them and edge on
Speaker 1: opponents all year long. Love the way they go for
Speaker 1: fourth downs. I'm all in on John Harbor. I think
Speaker 1: he's one of the best coaches of his generation. I
Speaker 1: love any of these guys that show the ability to
Speaker 1: recreate who they are. Uh, to hang through the complete
Speaker 1: recreation of a team and a roster like John Harball
Speaker 1: has done. And he's got a collection of interesting people
Speaker 1: in that locker room, and he they seem to respect him.
Speaker 1: There the best best run teams in the league have
Speaker 1: an ability to see things through and not make the move.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to just fire the head coach when
Speaker 1: it's time for a quote unquote regime change, and they
Speaker 1: because the Ravens are so well run. And West and
Speaker 1: the last special teams coordinator to be hired since before
Speaker 1: Joe Judge. If I'm not mistaken, there's been any since.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's the one that you always have.
Speaker 1: This is why you're feeling good right now. West, in
Speaker 1: addition to your positive feelings about the man, the only
Speaker 1: coach so far that has a Super Bowl ring uh
Speaker 1: in our draft. So he's proven he could take you
Speaker 1: the distance, which takes us to Mark Anthony Ceciler not
Speaker 1: my middle name, Edward. Uh. Well, I'm gonna go Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and I and I find it interesting that there
Speaker 1: are so many people that are always down on Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and at a number at the fourth pick. Here,
Speaker 1: I look at the rest of this list, and Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll has won a Super Bowl. Pete Carroll had like
Speaker 1: hardball over overseeing the transition of Seahawks one point oh
Speaker 1: into Seahawks two point oh. You've got the same quarterback there,
Speaker 1: But that's not that wasn't the major issue. But on
Speaker 1: defense especially, and you know we don't. We don't get
Speaker 1: to pull the GM along with him, which I'd like
Speaker 1: to do. I get it, Pete Carroll. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like being around Greg there's just these endless complaints
Speaker 1: about his you know, time management and game management and
Speaker 1: little things that are important. Well no, but no, but
Speaker 1: but but see I I come from a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different place touch I've always been super positive
Speaker 1: on Pete Carroll. Well, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: this year I keep hearing him getting killed and what
Speaker 1: I what I do feel about Pete Carroll the man
Speaker 1: who the person that the way that he relates to people,
Speaker 1: his youthful zeal. I can never tell how old he is.
Speaker 1: I know it's way up there, but it just seems
Speaker 1: like someone that is curious about the world. I I
Speaker 1: would honestly consider Pete Carroll over some of the people
Speaker 1: that we've talked about a top him in this exercise,
Speaker 1: depending on what kind of team it was. So Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: tell me why I made a terrible choice. Should have
Speaker 1: gone Mike Rabel here? Huh. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: we are Probably it's funny the whole the whole time,
Speaker 1: the whole time, You're like, back off, probably would have
Speaker 1: taken Carroll there too. There's a lot of negativity towards
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll this season, and I don't get it. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't appreciate. I don't like his conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: I think they're a little far flung. And he's but
Speaker 1: he's sometimes dangerous according sometimes dangerous according to people that
Speaker 1: follow the team. He's toned down some of the ted
Speaker 1: talk speaker stuff and some of the motivational things that
Speaker 1: just seemed a little bit flighty um which voice is
Speaker 1: on my radar a little bit. But I mean the success,
Speaker 1: you cannot argue with the success that he's had. Speaking
Speaker 1: of coaches that have outlived entire runs, the legion of
Speaker 1: boom is that ancient memory. Usually a coach gets tied
Speaker 1: to one great era and then gets washed out when
Speaker 1: that ends. He's been able to stay vital and he's
Speaker 1: a big part of that team. Wins and entire Wrestll Wilson,
Speaker 1: rath Ted wins are more except for guess what, Mark
Speaker 1: Snaky Well. I I am not totally sold on any
Speaker 1: of the rest of the list here, but I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mike Rabel. I really really impressed
Speaker 1: what West is upset Well. That makes me feel good.
Speaker 1: That makes me feel I think he's a great coach.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got all He's kind of does everything
Speaker 1: that I would ever, everything you'd want in a football coach.
Speaker 1: He seems capable at and you know, the Titans are
Speaker 1: a team. It's not easy when you get attached to
Speaker 1: these sort of milk toast, middle of the road teams
Speaker 1: that have a kind of like a reputation for underwhelming
Speaker 1: and and just sort of not having an identity or
Speaker 1: standing out. I think that he's built a team with
Speaker 1: an identity. Uh you know, I don't care that he's
Speaker 1: defensive minded, because every one a year ago was talking
Speaker 1: about go get the best passing game coordinator, offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and the team that dominated everyone is Greg Roman running
Speaker 1: the ball four hundred and sixty times a day, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to win, and that he
Speaker 1: uses his players. He has pretty well. Mike Rebel, no
Speaker 1: questions asked. He's out there before the game doing hundreds
Speaker 1: of push ups. He's planking for hours on end. Then
Speaker 1: you get you get to the game and he's out
Speaker 1: belichicking Belichick at the end of the game, not giving
Speaker 1: them the ball for three minutes on some fake punt nonsense,
Speaker 1: some fake penalties. Yeah, he came in cracking a lot
Speaker 1: of jokes like that. You're right. He did the thing
Speaker 1: that Belichick did, theo gaze on that Monday night game
Speaker 1: where he just burned off like multiple minutes of game
Speaker 1: clock on the technicality. And he knows the Patriots, which
Speaker 1: is great, as he said, feast on bad football and
Speaker 1: we didn't hand them anything. This guy knows how to coach.
Speaker 1: This team is super confident. I think they might be
Speaker 1: the most confident team in the playoffs except for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: and they get that from Vrabel and Derek. Hen Erica
Speaker 1: had a question for you, though, she asked me, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure why, but a question for who you I
Speaker 1: guess I just like, what's milk toast? Milk toast, what
Speaker 1: means land middle of the road. Um, you have to
Speaker 1: go back and dec it. Erica was like toast coated
Speaker 1: and milk, add a little egg sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: add a little leg, make it French tou it's milk
Speaker 1: with the it's milk with the Q. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's m I l Q. You eat bland. Bland would
Speaker 1: be the milk toast sounds gross to me because I
Speaker 1: don't need them matched or put together. Milk and toast
Speaker 1: food soggy bread with a milk smelt. I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds good to me, like kind of somehow you make
Speaker 1: the toast, well, that's how you make it. Add a
Speaker 1: little egg and that's does a great But it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound what it sounds cold, not warm. You don't like
Speaker 1: food I don't want, but I don't eat it up.
Speaker 1: I don't need a cold piece of bread dipped in
Speaker 1: the milk. And I that crazy to know you prefer
Speaker 1: that you have to have egg too, and then you
Speaker 1: put it a little hard, pass a little syrup. Let's
Speaker 1: why never. Uh. And I'm not going to be nearly
Speaker 1: as passionate about this one because I wanted vary able.
Speaker 1: I'll take Matt Lafloor just because I don't want Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer or Bill O'Brien. And I know Zimmer had one
Speaker 1: of his best games of his Vikings career last week,
Speaker 1: great game plan, um. I just not wild about the
Speaker 1: way he coaches situationally. I don't like that his defense
Speaker 1: often doesn't show up in big games. I'm taking Matt
Speaker 1: la Floor, who has exceeded expectations, even though Greg won't
Speaker 1: give him any credit for going thirteen and three in
Speaker 1: Green Book. I would be if, frankly, if I'm Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur and uh the the hypothetical fans that are rooting
Speaker 1: for whatever organization West is putting together, I'd be a
Speaker 1: little concerned that you almost none of that was about
Speaker 1: Matt Laflour. It was all about Mike. It was all
Speaker 1: about Mike Zimmer. That upfront I wanted. If that's the
Speaker 1: best thing you got, that's you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: want Zimmer and O'Brien. That's what I feel strongly about.
Speaker 1: You guys. Take those two. I think Batt la Fleur
Speaker 1: has done a good job, and I think they they've
Speaker 1: been pretty good in game management compared to uh, certainly,
Speaker 1: I will say the thirteen threes great. No one is
Speaker 1: sold on the Packers. If they get bounced out of
Speaker 1: the Division round, it's not gonna looking so hot from
Speaker 1: Alan fur it will be like, oh, the nice regular season,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really their offense. By the way, this
Speaker 1: is a crazy said the Seahawks. We're gonna lose earlier. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a close game. You're saying if this
Speaker 1: happened to six, I disagree with that. You're teen in
Speaker 1: three is successful. Let me just say this, it is wild.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'd say save this point for Thursdays. No,
Speaker 1: say it now. It is pretty wild that you have
Speaker 1: a new offensive minded guru as your head coach. You
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers healthy for sixteen games, and they were
Speaker 1: never higher than seventeenth in total offense this year. They
Speaker 1: finished the eighteen. They never got hot and moved into
Speaker 1: the top ten. They were always a middle of the
Speaker 1: pack or a little bit of worse offense. That's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: With Rogers healthy for sixteen games, they couldn't get things going,
Speaker 1: get get the version of Aaron Rodgers that he was expecting.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I think I think I think they've done
Speaker 1: a pretty good job with what they with what they've had.
Speaker 1: But it is pretty remarkable. Their points scored were the
Speaker 1: exact same uh in two thousand and eighteen and nineteen,
Speaker 1: and almost all their offensive stature almost assassinated almost the
Speaker 1: exact same in Green Bay on the way out the
Speaker 1: do if they had ways to win, they had to
Speaker 1: put a roof over his car driving out of that facility.
Speaker 1: About Aaron Jones. Once Aaron Rodgers was up in the
Speaker 1: book depository scoring points with Jimmy Graham as you're tited,
Speaker 1: all right, Greg, I think Mike Zimmers underrated. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to get him here down this Steve selling himself on
Speaker 1: this one in the draft. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Fifty seven and thirty eight in six years, one losing
Speaker 1: season and that was seven and nine. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are tough to game plan four. I think they do
Speaker 1: adapt pretty well. If you if you want to give
Speaker 1: people credit for hiring coaches, well, how about Gary Stefans
Speaker 1: getting Gary Kobe. I think ken in the Stefanski and
Speaker 1: Gary Kubia that's a nice little uh, that's a nice
Speaker 1: little offensive combination that you've that you've put together Stefanski
Speaker 1: and Kubiak, and you have a defense that's very good.
Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's very good. And I think,
Speaker 1: especially all the veterans that are on the team, I
Speaker 1: think they're able to switch what they do on a
Speaker 1: week to week basis, which should be a good recipe
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Now, they haven't been in the playoffs
Speaker 1: that often. What easy? Now two and two in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think they're in almost every year, aren't they. Yeah? Three,
Speaker 1: they lost that one of the Seahawks, and then they
Speaker 1: made they won one game and lost the NFC champion.
Speaker 1: Now they've won this one. So he's two and two
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But in theory, I think that's the
Speaker 1: type of team that you want in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: a type of coach that can change what you do
Speaker 1: each week because you got a veteran defense. I like
Speaker 1: Mike Parcels raves about him. I mean, he's I think
Speaker 1: that what stands out to me. Why wouldn't jumped on
Speaker 1: him earlier? It's just I don't know, I mean, is
Speaker 1: something about Mike zimmer scream like versatility? I hear you,
Speaker 1: But he fired hired the right people to do it.
Speaker 1: But also I thought last year's team was hurt a
Speaker 1: little bit by Zimmer. Not well, you annoy the Vikings
Speaker 1: are playing. I mean, how do you feel about quarter
Speaker 1: last week? Kirk Kirk Cousins had one bad throw last
Speaker 1: uh Sunday and Mark immediately was like, get this team
Speaker 1: out of our all right, but you know what, say
Speaker 1: it all chance. I I also think I simply underestimated
Speaker 1: them and was wrong, and by the end of that
Speaker 1: game they they still do a different type of confidence
Speaker 1: in me. Who cares what I think about the VIC
Speaker 1: They don't six hundred winning percentage for over a six
Speaker 1: year period. He's very solid. That's pretty solid. That's pretty soft.
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled to have Bill O'Brien joining my fold
Speaker 1: at the eighth pick. It's a perfect way. Him and
Speaker 1: Andy Reid two minds, great minds. And I just have
Speaker 1: to say everyone hates Bill O'Brien in this room. I
Speaker 1: definitely not. I would get him over a few guys
Speaker 1: and it's not sure it's to me how year after
Speaker 1: year nobody in this room ever, ever, ever misses the
Speaker 1: opportunity to come after Bill O'Brien as being incompetent or
Speaker 1: bad or overmatched or out coached or out g M,
Speaker 1: and yet he's always there at the end. Five years,
Speaker 1: four playoff appearances, he's out up to two wins, and
Speaker 1: he's in the divisional round this year. He's proven himself
Speaker 1: against a lot of doubts to be a pretty solid
Speaker 1: talent evaluator, wearing the two hats as a GM and
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Uh And I just mean back
Speaker 1: to back division titles. These things are not This is
Speaker 1: not a bell Check resume, but he is the most
Speaker 1: successful Bellichick disciple. Uh And as unlikable as he maybe
Speaker 1: as he might not like his butt chen, he might
Speaker 1: be anti heiny chin with a dimple he's got going
Speaker 1: on there. I even like that. I just think Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the guy. It's a punching bag. And while
Speaker 1: you punch him continues to succeed. It's not every single year,
Speaker 1: I'm defending this guy in August and then you get
Speaker 1: to January and his team is in the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that has something there. You have built in an exquisite
Speaker 1: straw man. He he won Nothing's going up straight nine
Speaker 1: win seasons with nothing at quarterback, and you know you're
Speaker 1: pairing with the Shawn Watson and there right here they
Speaker 1: are alive, they're dangerous. I think that Bill O'Brien was
Speaker 1: helped by taking over the front office and doing it
Speaker 1: his way. I think that the one knock on him
Speaker 1: went to see there seemed to be constant organizational uh,
Speaker 1: intrigue and madness going on behind the scenes. That wasn't
Speaker 1: the case this year. So I don't everyone fired. And
Speaker 1: let me just say, but that's the village that's Belichick
Speaker 1: wants to run his own front is the flip side
Speaker 1: to this, And speaking of the Power Ranking show, Matt
Speaker 1: money Smith made a very good point that I will
Speaker 1: not deny that this team has laid some eggs in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they were laying a big, stinky one
Speaker 1: on Saturday before. It seemed to Shaun Watson was like,
Speaker 1: that's it, I'm done with this. I've taken this game over.
Speaker 1: He started running the ball a lot more. Uh and
Speaker 1: you kind of echoes of Mike McCarthy late period Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers relationship. I am not saying that Bill O'Brien is
Speaker 1: the greatest coach ever, but for him to be a
Speaker 1: no brainer Number eight on this I would have taken
Speaker 1: him over. Let me ask you this, where would you
Speaker 1: rank Bill O'Brien on this all the back? I would
Speaker 1: put him like if if he went six or something
Speaker 1: that that would make sense to me. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the next Belichick. I just think
Speaker 1: he's not terrible. And that's how he's so often perceived.
Speaker 1: He's been. He's been adaptable, That's all I'm saying. What
Speaker 1: was his big playoff win? That one or the one
Speaker 1: against Connor Cook? What about Mike Rabel you're betting on potential?
Speaker 1: I guess he was. What's mean he had he had
Speaker 1: his first win the playoffs and do what Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: has done how many times against the Chiefs the first
Speaker 1: forty minutes of that game last year's playoff game, which
Speaker 1: was I think a third. He was very close to
Speaker 1: becoming a the a f C version of Marvin Lewis.
Speaker 1: But to that point, that's like a better than average
Speaker 1: head coach save more rotten eggs than like a colera
Speaker 1: riddled easter bunny. Give me, so, we were right, I
Speaker 1: don't know we were wrong about what happened when he
Speaker 1: became GM. I just didn't like the way he went
Speaker 1: about it, to go do that and then to set
Speaker 1: the whole franchise up to basically save Bill O'Brien. I'm
Speaker 1: not even really ready to say we were wrong about that.
Speaker 1: If if they're losing, if they're well, I think he's
Speaker 1: been a good coach. But I don't think the fact
Speaker 1: that like those I don't think those trades are proof
Speaker 1: that that was like a great move. If you're losing
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs, are barely escaping
Speaker 1: the Bills in the first round, then you lose in
Speaker 1: the second round, and you're giving up all these draft assets.
Speaker 1: By the way, lay Mutinsil was one of the worst
Speaker 1: players on the field on Saturday. You know, he had
Speaker 1: a great he had a good season, but he killed
Speaker 1: them on on Saturday. It's like penitent But the idea
Speaker 1: has to win the super Bowl and to really contend
Speaker 1: for a super Bowl. Good draft guys, good stuff. Everybody's
Speaker 1: happy withal If we were talking about you have to
Speaker 1: take two teams into the season, I couldn't be. I
Speaker 1: just don't know Pete Carroll though, at four, I don't
Speaker 1: know Mark five. What are the stakes for these guys?
Speaker 1: Though virtually like everything else, and we we say on
Speaker 1: this show virtually nothing. What are stakes? There are zeros.
Speaker 1: We get to say whatever you want. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if we're right or wrong. No one's gonna remember. Well,
Speaker 1: this is also really hard. I guess I feel like
Speaker 1: that the coaches you guys picked, or who you have
Speaker 1: to stick with for the playoff run. Now my two
Speaker 1: are on Seahawks corner. I mean I did the right
Speaker 1: the loyal r facing off against each other, so I
Speaker 1: went and lose that strategy Saturday. All right, that's it.
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Speaker 1: what better weekend is there on the NFL calendar than
Speaker 1: eight of the best teams in the league fighting it
Speaker 1: out hoping to get to the final four of the
Speaker 1: bracket for the Super Bowl. I don't think there's a preseason.
Speaker 1: Week three is kind of tight for a lot of
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Speaker 1: That was a little erotic, you're Pete Carrol or no.
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