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Speaker 1: Be Around the Podcast owns a small condo on Seahawks Corner. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis come to you from a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rose.

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Speaker 1: What is up, bullies? He does Greg pass the retina

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Speaker 1: scan there in the condo on Seahawks Corner. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: And he's been cast out. He he was cast out

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Speaker 1: and he was took myself out and we found him

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Speaker 1: in the bushes a couple of times on the compound

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Speaker 1: and we had to say no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you gone. You had that feels just I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a two way relationship. And I've embraced the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: from you know, I mean right, it's great. It's like,

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Speaker 1: intensity with which Mark and Dan were rudy on the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks last Sunday. Oh no wait, they were like half

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Speaker 1: asleep during that game. Nor fell in love with Josh

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Speaker 1: Brown right around the second quarter, and they they tested

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Speaker 1: my loyalties because the Josh McCown narrative was pretty juicy

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Speaker 1: and special. But you know, in the end, I got

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Speaker 1: it right. It was well, it was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a sleeping game, right, I'm not I'm not arguing I

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Speaker 1: had a pillow. I did go get a red bull

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Speaker 1: at one point during the Dame, right, that's right, you'd

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Speaker 1: across the street to seven. But in general, even though

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Speaker 1: enjoyed my first year. Well it's clearly not acuse corner

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to pick them to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They're playing a very beaut of out Packers team,

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Speaker 1: seahawky you got off the boat. I was on the boat,

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Speaker 1: and it's led to submiss so committed. You you think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna lose to uh, A fine Packers team. Man,

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Speaker 1: the Packers disrespect out of Greg already. They're fine, They're fine.

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Speaker 1: A couple of notes, A couple of notes before we

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Speaker 1: get in today's show, which is a good one. Um

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Speaker 1: our second EPISD so the Around the NFL broadcast on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network airs six pm Eastern three pm Pacific. Set

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Speaker 1: your DVRs. I assume you already set the season pass

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Speaker 1: so you're covered, but just in case, UM, we're already

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Speaker 1: in the planning stages behind the scenes for this week's episode.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited about it, um, and we have so

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Speaker 1: much to do today. We have a guest. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: come up just a couple of minutes. He's gonna join

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Speaker 1: us on the phone, Peter Schrager, to talk about the

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Speaker 1: big head coach hirings. It just went down in the newsroom,

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Speaker 1: UM early this morning, Bang bang rule to Carolina Judge,

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Speaker 1: all rise to the Giants. So we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: um Peter, who's gonna talk about those two hires. Also,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys made it official, UM, getting Mike McCarthy aboard,

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Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that. Also, we got were down

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Speaker 1: to eight teams in the bracket, okay, Uh, the elite eight. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little draft. The draft writing for

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Speaker 1: for us is over. Uh. We're not doing any more

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Speaker 1: drafts on Thursdays until week one next year. However, we're

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Speaker 1: just so you guys know, we're drafting by age order,

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Speaker 1: so youngest with the first pick, oldest with the final pick,

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Speaker 1: and the Snake. I don't know who's older between West

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Speaker 1: that is hideous. I'm winding up with that best the

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Speaker 1: with a lot of fun stuff to get to. But first, West,

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Speaker 1: Reggy today beat up Angles of Cincinnati, which was name

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Speaker 1: Let's Get the Year by Sports Illustrated because of a

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Speaker 1: hosts co host of the great Good Morning Football program

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network. It is Peter Schreeger. What's up? Two

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Speaker 1: years later, the Cincinnati Bearcats. We're giving everyone to run

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Speaker 1: We're bringing West right back. He just got a big

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Speaker 1: don't leave us, but and including the Bengals, come back

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Peter Schreeger. We love him for

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Speaker 1: Monday was a day in Waco, Texas for David Tepper

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Speaker 1: And that's been the case since nineteen seventy in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: That was the pitch to Matt Rule, and the pitch was,

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Speaker 1: and Carolina he met with the enemy, he met with

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Speaker 1: lives and it's like Marty's gonna work with you and

428
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Speaker 1: we're going to figure this out. I don't know necessarily

429
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Speaker 1: if that's the case in New York when you meet

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Speaker 1: with the Giants, if it's Hey, Gettleman's gonna work with you,

431
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Speaker 1: or you're gonna work with Gettleman, and I'm a Dave

432
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Speaker 1: Getleman fan. I think Dave Gettleman done some some bold,

433
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Speaker 1: big swing moves. But I also think at the end

434
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Speaker 1: of the day, if you look at the Giants and

435
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Speaker 1: what they have in salary cap and some of the

436
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Speaker 1: talent that they do have on the roster right now,

437
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Speaker 1: it's it's not a terrible situation for a head coach

438
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Speaker 1: to walk into, but you better be able to work

439
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Speaker 1: with that general manager, and you better be able to

440
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Speaker 1: want to work with that general manager. So to your point, Greg,

441
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Speaker 1: when the Panthers come to you and say it's a

442
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Speaker 1: blank slate, do what you want, and then the Giants

443
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Speaker 1: come and meet with you, and there's four people in

444
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Speaker 1: the room and it'say, sell yourself on the Giants, things

445
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Speaker 1: get a little different. Peter Schraeger, you came and you

446
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Speaker 1: did the damn. I mean, I'm watching your TV and

447
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he's wearing a great bomber and he

448
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: looks comfortable up there, and he's just delivering the information.

449
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Speaker 1: You're a vital piece of the puzzle. They're in a

450
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Speaker 1: very successful show that we all love. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for um coming on and giving us the info. That

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Speaker 1: we needed. I'll tell you, guys, it's really quickly. I'm

453
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Speaker 1: on a flight to l A last Friday, three pm Pacific,

454
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Speaker 1: six pm Easter, and I'm watching some rerun of a

455
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Speaker 1: of an NFL regular season game on the NFL network.

456
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Speaker 1: I'm about to change it, and then you guys came

457
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Speaker 1: on in a smile from ear to ear on my

458
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Speaker 1: face and I loved it. But it was great. And

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Speaker 1: if the network executives are listening, why not let's give

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Speaker 1: these boys on the TV show or their own. Let's

461
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Speaker 1: let's look at this thing with our little foursome. Your foursome.

462
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Speaker 1: You guys have Erica, we got Will Silva. Which world

463
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Speaker 1: Which one of the four of us were you most

464
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Speaker 1: impressed with? I gotta say, Mark, you had this this incredible,

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Speaker 1: like one minute monologue where you what was going on

466
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Speaker 1: with that? With that video feature and there was like

467
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Speaker 1: spookiness going on, and there was a boat and I

468
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: couldn't follow it to the life of me, but there

469
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Speaker 1: were teams being washed up onto shore. That's not my kind,

470
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Speaker 1: that's not my wheelhouse. I enjoyed it. I had no

471
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Speaker 1: idea what the hell is going on? All the answer Marks,

472
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Speaker 1: Look now, I was I was seeking something else there,

473
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Speaker 1: but that's thank you for our support. I also wanted

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Speaker 1: to correct we've really enjoyed your performance too. On those

475
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Speaker 1: little promos where it's like the Playoffs NFL Network and

476
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Speaker 1: you're doing the little point you know, it's it's like

477
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Speaker 1: k in the front and you're in the back and

478
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Speaker 1: you're just like, hey, I'm a guy. I'm pointing. And

479
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: then it's like Irvin with the football and that that

480
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: stuff is good handed me a football. I love the football.

481
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: Just play the football. Sit it and I'm like, I

482
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Speaker 1: can't do. I know you're gonna end up using that

483
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Speaker 1: and it's not me. I mean, you've done that show

484
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: long enough now where you've got to be at the

485
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Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell ten thousand hours. Think you got to have

486
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Speaker 1: the whole thing masters at this point. Yeah, And my

487
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Speaker 1: rule is no phone. I'm not steering at I'm not

488
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Speaker 1: like doing the and I'm not knocking rout because he

489
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Speaker 1: actually does have the phone in his hands at all time.

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Speaker 1: I'm not defined by that. And I'm also not going

491
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Speaker 1: to be spinning a football next to aprils and they're

492
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Speaker 1: not gonna put Schreeger in a box. You won't all right, Peter,

493
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Speaker 1: thank you, buddy, thank you. There he is Peter Schreeger.

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Speaker 1: That guy does the damn thing. He just he's knowledgeable,

495
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Speaker 1: and he's really good at his job and a nice

496
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Speaker 1: fit here on the pod. He's got his ear to

497
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Speaker 1: the ground like an old board chief waiting for the

498
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Speaker 1: drums to start to kick off. You know, he knows

499
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Speaker 1: when the battles come, and he knows everything ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: Well put, we do like to occasionally dip into reporting

501
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Speaker 1: of our own, and I think that we could even

502
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Speaker 1: convince ourselves at moments that we have inside information. But

503
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: it feels like a child compared to what he's offering.

504
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: I think you could bring up anyone and he knows everything,

505
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Speaker 1: and yet in a very Patriots manner, he still doesn't

506
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Speaker 1: know Joe Joe. I mean, Joe Judge is about as

507
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Speaker 1: under the radar as a head coaches. And he's pretty

508
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Speaker 1: young guy, like thirty. Like even Patriots fans don't know

509
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Speaker 1: anything about Joe Judge. The receiver. Bill Belichick actually this

510
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Speaker 1: floated around. He he had a long statement from past

511
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Speaker 1: this past summer about Joe Judge and basically said he

512
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Speaker 1: can coach any position on the field. He had a

513
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Speaker 1: lot of faith in him. I would imagine because Bill

514
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Speaker 1: Belichick is such a special teams obsessive special teams historian,

515
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Speaker 1: that you're not gonna just hand that role to anyone.

516
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Speaker 1: He must know the world about the sounds of it.

517
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Speaker 1: When you do look back at the quotes, Beltics said,

518
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Speaker 1: he clearly believes that Joe Judge can be a great

519
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Speaker 1: NFL head coach, and that he was kind of taking

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Speaker 1: him under his wing in a in a in a

521
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Speaker 1: unique way, meeting with him weekly. You know, maybe compared

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Speaker 1: to any other coach I can think of, maybe other

523
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Speaker 1: than to Peter's point, which I thought was a good one,

524
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Speaker 1: when you uh take a special teams coach who's a

525
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Speaker 1: guy that's usually you know, a guy that's about the

526
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Speaker 1: playing hard x x nos go get it um energy,

527
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Speaker 1: and you put him at the head coach at the

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Speaker 1: time where the league is about finding the next architect,

529
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Speaker 1: the next brilliant guy that can take your offense to

530
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Speaker 1: another level. It does feel like a Dave Gentleman higher

531
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Speaker 1: that it's like football is about hot and it's about passion.

532
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: It's about being on time and making the plays when

533
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Speaker 1: you need to make it. Maybe it works, but it's

534
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Speaker 1: a little bit outside the box of what we've seen

535
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Speaker 1: with some recent high profile you gotta you gotta have

536
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Speaker 1: a great staff and uh like, that's gonna be his

537
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Speaker 1: big challenge. And I think with McDaniels now being up

538
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Speaker 1: in the air and Judge gone, it is remarkable all

539
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Speaker 1: the people that have left New England, of which McDaniels

540
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Speaker 1: could still be one. Just in the last couple of

541
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Speaker 1: years Floors, O'Shea, Joe, Judge, Matt Patricia, and then I

542
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: can name three or four other lower level assistance maybe

543
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Nick Cassario, like it is, has been a total house

544
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Speaker 1: the pastor Easter b whatever his name is. Uh wait,

545
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: we got some breaking news. Just hold that thought, Ricky,

546
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: what do we got this? Just in I have a

547
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Speaker 1: text from Peter Schrager himself saying Mark isn't upset with

548
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Speaker 1: what I just said, Not in the least, not in

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Speaker 1: the least. I couldn't have. I just I am just

550
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Speaker 1: surprised and happy that he watched the show. By the way,

551
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: the show did very well in the ratings. I gave

552
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Speaker 1: you that information on Sunday night, and I have that confirmed.

553
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Speaker 1: I texted him back and I said, yeah, he just

554
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Speaker 1: said from the show. You should not be conducting the

555
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Speaker 1: head conversation about me and I'm going to Mark without

556
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: speaking to Mark first. You're raging mad Ay. That's also

557
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: right well handled. I mean he said breaking news. He said, um,

558
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Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna like ever forget me? And

559
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I think it'll be fine. And

560
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: then he goes, but does he hate me? I mean,

561
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: is just it would be a situation where Mark, I

562
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: love you, but like four hours from today, I'll be

563
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: at home and I'll get a text from Mark like, hey,

564
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Speaker 1: do you do you think Sregar really didn't like my segment? No,

565
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Speaker 1: I won't. Why do you always put Segar on the

566
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Speaker 1: spot like that? I remember our laves the same thing.

567
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Speaker 1: At the last interview with him, you asked him who

568
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Speaker 1: does he respect that any without any without thinking about it,

569
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Speaker 1: he said, Greg, so I wanted to dig into that topic.

570
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't agree with that. So he gave an honest answer.

571
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Speaker 1: All right, I enjoy him. At some point you should

572
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: keep asking him that until he just says, Mark, well,

573
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going for. He could he could end

574
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Speaker 1: this charade by just answering the rest. See your point,

575
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, is our buddy Shawn O'Hara,

576
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: who once found us, you know, acting like we were

577
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: passed out in Dion Sanders special room and we blew

578
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Speaker 1: his mind. He was on and pointed out that the

579
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Speaker 1: Giants have had the last two head coaches offensive coordinator

580
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked out with McAdoo and Shermer. The

581
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: goal this time around was not just leadership, but to

582
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: be to instill a more physical philosophy on both sides

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Speaker 1: of the ball, which seems to fit well with geentleman

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Speaker 1: and his hog. Molly's all right, Let's now move to

585
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, who um on Monday after we are Sunday

586
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: pot where he talked a little bit about the Cowboy

587
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: situation where he learned that Jason Garrett officially was out

588
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: at Dallas. They announced that UM, Mike McCarthy is their

589
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: new head coach. He signed a deal um to become

590
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Dallas's new head coach. UH. The deal became official on

591
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Tuesday when it was announced it's a five year contract

592
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: and the hiring came less than a day after the

593
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Speaker 1: Garrett era officially ended. McCarthy spent last season out of football,

594
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: of course, after thirteen seasons the head coach of the Packers. Now,

595
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: there's been some criticism out there Mark that after you

596
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: went through this whole era of Garrett and all theticism

597
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: that seemed to last half a decade at least, uh,

598
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Speaker 1: that you kind of hired someone that's similar to Jason

599
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Garrett as a coach. Did you do you buy into

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00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: that criticism of this higher the resume isn't similar. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I understand with the the overall kind of cue rating

602
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Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy nos dive during that final year in

603
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Speaker 1: Green Bay. But he has made the playoffs nine out

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Speaker 1: of thirteen years with the Packers tenan eight postseason record

605
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl title. That's everything that Jason Garrett could

606
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: not accomplish with very talents. Gart. I don't see. I

607
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: know he has his own offense, good or bad. He does,

608
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and there's also whispers of him wanting Kellen Moore to

609
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: stick around, so that that the one I want to

610
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: know about Mike McCarthy is what is the offense? What

611
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: are we going to see? Because he went through this

612
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: sojourn year and he went through this remaking and rethinking

613
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Speaker 1: about how to you know, run a team and run

614
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: his own attack that felt stale by the end. So

615
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Speaker 1: what new wrinkles along with this, you know, personal pr

616
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Speaker 1: triumph because I mean the attention around Mike McCarthy over

617
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Speaker 1: the US month. I mean, anyone that gets into any

618
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: sort of trouble should hire the people that Mike McCarthy hired.

619
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Speaker 1: What are we really going to get the guy that's

620
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: that he's replacing should take notes because McCarthy, well, they

621
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: literally share an agent, which is an I mean, all

622
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: the very many a lot of these coaches have the

623
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: same agent, but McCarthy and Garrett share the same agent.

624
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: So while McCarthy was literally in Jerry Jones's house and

625
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, according to Jay Glazer, was pushing as hard

626
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: as he can to keep the Cowboys job, he was not.

627
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: You know that the part of the reason that took

628
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: a week was he was not going down without a fight.

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Speaker 1: That's what Glazier said. The same guy is representing both.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of a joke to me, How is

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Speaker 1: that not a joke? Wild seems like a conflict of

632
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: interest My one reservation. I know there's been criticisms of

633
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Speaker 1: his offense, but just thinking back to the last I

634
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: don't know half a decade, but the Packers, this guy

635
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: is a known lead sitter. He will sit on leads

636
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: for an entire quarter, an entire half. You read, Vince

637
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Lombardi says, one of the first lessons he learned, and

638
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: it was a hard lesson to learn, don't sit on

639
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: the ball for an entire quarter. I don't know Mike

640
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: McCarthy selling this six person video unit, eight person analytics team.

641
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: He's got a fourteen person technical football technology department. Maybe

642
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: they can help him with that area that killed some

643
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: of his Packers, right, he struggled in game management, like

644
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Garrett did, I do wonder if keeping Kellen Moore or

645
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: strongly considering it, you know, if Jerry Jones was pushing

646
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: up was part of the deal that that I think

647
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones wanted to keep Kellen Moore and whether that

648
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: was you know, part of the conversation that they had

649
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: with I mean, and Kellen Moore has an open invitation

650
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: to go to the University of Washington and become thearoh

651
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: C too, So that made intensify or move that decision up.

652
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: And we should say McCarthy, it's been reported is gonna

653
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: bring in expected to bring in Mike Nolan as his

654
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Nolan um was his boss back with the

655
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: forty now Miners way back in two thousand five. We're

656
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: only going to wear the suit. I like that. I

657
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: want to know if the suit is back, because are

658
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: you allowed to do that today? I don't know that

659
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: be crazy not to allow it, but I mean I

660
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: could see them in all these like team logo, apparel business,

661
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and some know how to look good in it and

662
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: some simply have not grasp that concept, like Mike Mike

663
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Nolan was the head coach back in San Francisco and

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00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was his coordinator on one of the worst

665
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: teams I've ever seen with tim Ertay, Ken Dorsey, Alex

666
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: Smith rookie year. They were dead last in in yards

667
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: and offense and defense. But that actually was a good

668
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: reminder for me of like, coaching hires are impossible to predict.

669
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean everything in football's boss would pick, but especially

670
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: coaching hires. Because the Packers hired Mike McCarthy off that

671
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: season off coordinating the worst offense in football, and everyone

672
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: at the time was like, what, really, you're hiring Mike

673
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: McCarthy And it worked like Gangbusters the first five years

674
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: he was there. Who the hell knows. We are also

675
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: up west to your point about McCarthy and that bad,

676
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: bad trait of sitting on leeds the five year anniversary

677
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: of to me, outside of the Super Bowl with the Falcons,

678
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: the worst collapse we've ever seen Seattle Green Bay, a

679
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: game that I'm not even a Packers fan, and that

680
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: last still sticks to me. And that was a perfect

681
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: example of a guy that took the air out of

682
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: his own ball. I think it's a bigger choke job

683
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: than the Falcons game. When you see the coaching moves

684
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: that we're made and the way the team played, I

685
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: think it was a bigger I credit the Patriots more

686
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: than the than more than I blame the Falcons. Um

687
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: all right, and one more head coaching job left, Mark.

688
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I believe you are aware of this, that the Cleveland

689
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Browns remains, so they've they've taken the opposite path. This

690
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: is what bad teams typically do. But maybe this is

691
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: the right path to do, which is whatever you did

692
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the last time, do the opposite. So you didn't even

693
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: look outside the building last time, said Freddy Kitchens, our guy.

694
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: Now they're looking everywhere Jim Schwartz. They're requesting an interview

695
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: with the Eagles d C in former Lions head coach.

696
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: I believe he will be mark the eighth interview. And

697
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: now there's no rush because nobody else is looking to

698
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: hire a head coach. Uh, So it just becomes a

699
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: matter of them deciding who's the right guy. They have

700
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the pick of everybody that's left. How you feeling right now?

701
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: This is like I'm always a split mind here. But

702
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: the weird outlier to this little journey that they've been

703
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: on is that I thought that Jimmy Haslum's press conference

704
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: last week, and I've been swayed by his press conferences

705
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: before because that's not that he has skills in that area.

706
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was the best one that he's ever

707
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: had with the Browns, and as disastrous as everything was

708
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: last year, I do wonder if at some point in

709
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: this job, in this thing where you've gone through this

710
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: process so many times, that you are learning. And I

711
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: I viewed the removal of John Dorsey ultimately as trying to,

712
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, against what the Giants have done is not

713
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: shove potential candidates inside a front office that that that

714
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: already would have had a powerful voice in John Dorsey

715
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: that I think it opened up the doorway for Josh

716
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: mcday niels and whoever he wants to bring along with him.

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00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: A lot of these interviews, the Brian Dables and maybe

718
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: even Jim Schwartz, I view more as uh potential exploratory talks.

719
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: And you know Schwartz is on our contract, but dable

720
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: to me as a potential coordinator type. I have just

721
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: felt all along the Josh McDaniels. You thought, since two

722
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: weeks ago this was gonna be mc daniel. I have,

723
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and like I, I guess you know the the news

724
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: happened so quickly this morning that I thought they were

725
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna lose Josh McDaniels, potentially because he was sitting after

726
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: all these other scheduled interviews. I I don't know what

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: I wanted as a Browns fan, I don't know what

728
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: I want. To Greg's point, I find these these coaching

729
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: hires so unpredictable that you know, who knows how it's

730
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna go. But I like the idea. What I didn't

731
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: want was shoving a candidate with people already in place,

732
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: that whoever it is brings their own people and it

733
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: sounds like that there's an open flexibility from the Housel's

734
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: on down to allow whoever it is to come in

735
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: and craft their own organization, which they desperately need to

736
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: do to keep pace with the Ravens and Steelers catch up,

737
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: much less keep pace. They interviewed Dable on Monday. McDaniels

738
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: scheduled to interview on Friday. Kevin Stefanski also expected to

739
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: interview UM this week. Jim Schwartz today. So almost you

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: know three of those four from the Belichick tree, including

741
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Schwartz Uh one of the rare candidates who checks the

742
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: boxes of Belichick Tree, approved by the analytics crowd, approved

743
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: by unnamed sources, and the executive ranks. He seems to

744
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: be liked by a lot of people. It would be interesting,

745
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: McDaniels if now was the time to go. There's a thought,

746
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: you know in New England that as as uncertain as

747
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: the Browns are, and I think ownership would probably be

748
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: the biggest concern for him. Um that the Patriots is

749
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: more uncertain, that he doesn't know what what's up. He

750
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't know like the staff, there is very strange. He

751
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know if Brady is gonna be back. They certainly

752
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: didn't have. You know, everything is kind of up in

753
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: the air in New England to Steve Belichicks starting to

754
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: rise up the ranks. Is McDaniels still the next in line? Well, well,

755
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: while we're on this topic, let's hit that. Uh. Robert Kraft,

756
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: the owner of the Patriots, spoke to Peter King in

757
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: his Football Morning in America column and um had this

758
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: to say about Tom Brady and what his future holds. Uh.

759
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, my hope and my prayer is number one,

760
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: he played for the Patriots, or number two he retires.

761
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: He has the freedom to decide what he wants to

762
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: do and what's in his own best personal interest, and

763
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: um craft what he doesn't want to see here. He

764
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: does not want to see Johnny United is on the charges,

765
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to see Joe Namath on the Rams,

766
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: and he certainly doesn't want to see Tom Brady on

767
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: someone's billboards. Uh in twenty as the all time great

768
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: quarterback now associated with a different team, which I totally get.

769
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that he would come out

770
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and say that, like I'd rather him be gone totally. Uh.

771
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Than returned to the page three. It's the fan, but

772
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: I totally get where he's coming from. Right. It seemed

773
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: like after reading that article that if Kraft is running

774
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: this instead of Belichick, and I don't know if after

775
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: twenty years and what Brady's accomplished, maybe the owner is

776
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: running this decision. He want He definitely wants Brady back.

777
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I think Brady, if you kind of you know, pick

778
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: the words that he chose, he you know, he probably

779
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: wants to be back to Tom Current wrote a great

780
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: piece which I linked to on Twitter about the situation

781
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: and look Tom Tom in about six words, he kind

782
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: of described he explained the entire Brady vantage point and

783
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: that the lack of money that he's gotten in the

784
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: last handful of years, the kind of push and pull

785
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: between Belichick always maybe kind of looking at when are

786
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: we going to get out of this? And to where

787
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: he is now? And uh, I think Brady probably wants

788
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: to be back too, And the question is whether Belichick

789
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: really wants him back and and whether Brady would just

790
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: take a lesser deal to come back because that might

791
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: be the only choice he has. I mean, how often fascinating.

792
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: What is the track record of Bill Belichick clinging to

793
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: players in decline? I mean not to bring up the

794
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Browns again. But when he when he cut Bernie Coozar,

795
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: that was the biggest story in the league that year,

796
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: and it was a shocker to Browns fans. But he

797
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, he correctly assessed that players diminishing, as he said,

798
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: and when that, where are we with Tom Brady? I mean,

799
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: even before this season, I thought that was a great

800
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: detail he had. You know, he was really hoping for

801
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: the contract that Breeze got Tom Brady was which was

802
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: a two year, fifty million dollar type uh extension. He's

803
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: coming off a super Bowl win, a season he played

804
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: pretty well on balance, certainly had an epic a f

805
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: C Championship Game performance, and couldn't get that, you know,

806
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, coming off the best comeback

807
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history. He was looking for a new

808
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: contract and he got a bunch of incentives added to

809
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: his deal that he didn't reach even while they're making

810
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl again. So it's like they've they've been

811
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: playing hardball with Brady awhile and there's not a lot

812
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: of reason to think they'll change it now other than

813
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: they don't have any option behind. I mean, I think

814
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: the the idea of them. Just not being ready to

815
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: say goodbye really could work to Brady's advantage to that

816
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: Brady Craft doesn't want him to leave, and if it

817
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: if it takes a few extra million dollars ten, ten

818
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: million dollars to keep the greatest player in the history

819
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: of the franchise and arguably the history of the league

820
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: in business with him for another year. I just want

821
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: to Brady, I think has a thought in his head

822
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: because he's wired this way. Who's gonna want me? I'm

823
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: forty three. My team just struggled down the stretch. I'm

824
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: not you know, he doesn't want to go join some

825
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: rebuilding team, Like he's gonna want a good situation. How

826
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: confident is he that he's going to get a better

827
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: situation than having to move his entire family or go

828
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: live by himself and learn a new offense. It's like

829
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: he struggled enough dealing with Jacoby Myers and nikkil Harry, Like,

830
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do going to you know, there's only

831
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: so many situations that I think he's gonna see and

832
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: think that actually it's a very like complicated game of chicken.

833
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: To your point, Mark, I guess it would take for

834
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: this thing to maybe the Browns and Josh McDaniel. I

835
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe to um the point that you were making.

836
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: Maybe the only way this doesn't happen a deal is

837
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: that Bellichick kind of behind the scene says no, we

838
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: need to move on. But I don't know if that

839
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: happens though on some level, I mean, he was ready

840
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: to go, Jimmy g They mean they've been trying to

841
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: plan this out for a decade and Tom Brady and

842
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, though, Kraft is Bellichick's boss,

843
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: So I feel like if Brady wants to come back

844
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: and Craft want some back, maybe that leads to more issues.

845
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Maybe Mark you well, he's not going to the Giants now,

846
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, we know that. Oh I've lost sandwiches on that,

847
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: but you know it's need didn't come a uh too quick. Uh.

848
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Coordinator stories before we get to our coaches draft Scott Turner,

849
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: son of Norm Norm Norm Turner. That sounds fun. Uh

850
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: he will be the new offensive coordinator of the Redskins. Uh,

851
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: so he he gets that job. Your thoughts on that

852
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: last you gotta thought you gotta take Scott Turner. Scott Turner, Baby,

853
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how he and Mark got into

854
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: a confrontation. Well, oh yeah, that it wasn't a confrontation.

855
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: I I overstepped what I saw an early morning at

856
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: an airport on the way to the Combine. We happened

857
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: to be on the same connecting flight to Indiana. Yeah,

858
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: and I was none of you guys were around. I

859
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: was alone. I had this weird flight and like, so

860
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: I won't you know in this like kind of waiting area,

861
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: went up to him and tried to approach and have

862
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: a conversation. Hey, I'm Mark Sessler from NFL dot com,

863
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I think, I said, And he's just like staring right

864
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: through me and just could not have been less uh

865
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: interested in speaking with me. And I don't blame him.

866
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: It was like six five and the more or something.

867
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: But how much younger is he than you? I think

868
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: he is younger than me by a number of years.

869
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I think he did a good job with Carolina. He's

870
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: getting most of the credit for actually coordinating that offense,

871
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: even before he was officially named the play caller. All

872
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: things considered, I think they did a pretty good job.

873
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Questions here, but how did you recognize Scott Turner at

874
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: the airport? Well, because he had been on the He

875
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: had been on the brown staff, so you know, I

876
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: that got that was the staff. I think he was

877
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: might have been the quarterbacks coach or but he's still

878
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: You've been known to football people in airports, but there

879
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: I forgot, nor was there. Norv kept bringing him around everywhere.

880
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Norv was with the Browns for one year. North North's

881
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: been everywhere. But we're at the front. Jimmy G. Well,

882
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: we had a very nice conversation with Jimmy G. I mean,

883
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: you just gotta go for it. Roman was is not confronted.

884
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: We had a wonderful time for about twenty minutes. Um,

885
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: It's what Jane Haskins, Well, I think we aren't getting

886
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: old when the head coaches of our childhood, their sons

887
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: and you know, are now getting these jobs happening. Finally,

888
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the Rams have moved on from Wade Phillips, the veteran

889
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, is out. His contract expired at the end

890
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen season and the Rams declined to

891
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: renew it. Once upon a time, he was the perfect

892
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: guy to be in that building. You had the young,

893
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: hot shot offensive coach in Sean McVeigh, uh West and

894
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: then Uh son of bum. He was the grizzled veteran

895
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: with the resume, with the knowledge, with the know how.

896
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: But I guess it got to a point where they

897
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: feel like they need to freshen things up in l A.

898
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: And I don't exactly blame them. Well, Mike Silver had

899
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: this a few weeks ago, and I've been reading quite

900
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: a bit on it. It seems like Bill Belichick taught

901
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh something about versatility and adaptability in the Super Bowl.

902
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: And as much as Sean McVeigh appreciated Wade phillips scheme

903
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, he doesn't want to be

904
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: scheme heavy now. He wants to be sitting situation, game

905
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: plan opponents specific to adapt. And I think they want

906
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: to bring in some run, younger guys with with fresher ideas. Yeah,

907
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: I think both. I think two things canna be true.

908
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: That Phillips did an incredible job, and on some level

909
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: this is unfair, you know, because the defense was better

910
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: than Sean mcveigh's offense this year. It's not even it's

911
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: not even a question. And the defense was certainly better

912
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, where what Bill Belichick said before

913
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl was absolutely true. Like we he's like,

914
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: they asked him about the game, but he's like, we

915
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: know what way it's gonna do. Doesn't mean it's gonna

916
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: be easy to go against it. We we've been going

917
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: against this defense in different cities for every year and

918
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: it basically looks the exact same. And you know what,

919
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: it was good enough for the Broncos to beat the

920
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Patriots a few times and win a Super Bowl, is

921
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: good enough to hold the Patriots the thirteen points last year.

922
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't change, just doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't

923
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: fit with what Sean McVeigh wants, and that's understanding. I

924
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: would imagine if there's any hard feelings there that they

925
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: will ultimately be fine because none of us can know

926
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: how much it helped Sean mc a to have the knowledge,

927
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: the experience, the respect, and just the overall aura of

928
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips in that building. I think the reason that

929
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: they were able to turn it around so quickly and

930
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: flip the switch. He has a huge part to take

931
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: their defense, especially in seventeen. Mcveigh's first year was fantastic

932
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: and Wade Phillips turned seventy three in June. Uh he's

933
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: a coach. He's the son of a coach son. I

934
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: imagine he will be scooped up and be someone else's DC.

935
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can be president, I guess why not. Hey,

936
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Joe Judge needs an offensive and defensive coordinator, right, I

937
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: mean that feels I would fit in with the old

938
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: maybe a little top monk in Wade Phillips act. All right,

939
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's do it.

940
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: Let's have some fun here this. I have to give

941
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: the credit to uh Maddie Tanton and Jason Kleman who

942
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: helped um. They produce the Power Rankings digital show that

943
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I do with money and Cynthia. We had a quarterback

944
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: draft for the playoffs this morning and I said, oh,

945
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: that's fun. And I felt two on the nose to

946
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: straight steal that idea. But if I just change what

947
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about and then steal the idea, didn't feel

948
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: quite is Larcene? I mean, I have all these ideas

949
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: have been done. It's good, alright, So we will do

950
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: a playoff coaches draft. There eight playoff teams remaining eight

951
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: head coaches and um, yes it's uh the age order

952
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: which worked out for maybe, which, So wow, that really

953
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: worked out for the guy who made up the rules.

954
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: It's it's funny how it does work out like that.

955
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: So I have let's see what our choice, yes get.

956
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: You also don't get to make your last way. You

957
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: don't even know who the coach gets. You get stuck

958
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: with the eighth pick. Maybe can I pick one of

959
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: the coaches that are out for the eighth pick? Just

960
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: get to know, absolutely not seen the rules on the fly.

961
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get a coordinator from one of these teams.

962
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna get the guy you wanted. Eight anyway, all right,

963
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: here we go, Gaze is available. Your favorite little your

964
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: favorite little a f C South coach, You'll still be

965
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: there at eight. Little love it ranked, I ranked the

966
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: top seven. I was like, it's a given that Bill

967
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: O'Brien's going last. Wow, I don't know, I have the seventh.

968
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: I have the seventh pick, And well, did you watch

969
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: the first forty minutes of the Wild cri Hey? My

970
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: front office is gonna have to examine. Can I just say,

971
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: though they happened to beat the team that West thought

972
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: was gonna like run through the playoffs, and the next

973
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: year you saw that the coaching victory. Go home Bills

974
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: and go home West because Bill O'Brien. Uber have you

975
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: seen Bill O'Brien on all of his wild card weekends?

976
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: Stop it thirty and nothing chiefs come out. I mean,

977
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: I mean Bill O'Brien's got more winning seasons by far

978
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: than Ron Rivera does over the last decade. Ron Rivera

979
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: is not in this exercise. All right, here we go.

980
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: Here are the choices. Of course, I know everyone knows,

981
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: but maybe you're new to the game and this is

982
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: your first real like connection with the NFL buying time

983
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: so you can figure out how the coaches. We have

984
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Zimmer of the Vikings. We have Kyle Shanahan of the Niners.

985
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: We have b O b with the Texans. You have

986
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: Andy Reid with the Used, Mike Rabel with the Titans,

987
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: John Harbor at the Ravens, Pete Carrol with the Seahawks,

988
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: and Matt Leflaire. I'm loving having the two pick because

989
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm just loving it. One pick is not great. Actually

990
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: Belichick was there, Bank I got it, but he's not here.

991
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: He's home to Greg just without it's the same. It's

992
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: a relief. How about how about Bill Belichick coaching one

993
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: more game and been out of Gaze this year. How

994
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: about when you just cut it down, That's one way

995
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: to look at it. But yeah, I just those facts,

996
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: all right. The first pick is gonna be I don't

997
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: argue Gaze didn't coach. How about creating a memory that

998
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: will live in Patriots Jets lore forever on Monday Night football?

999
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: You know what more did they really need after that game?

1000
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: That's all you get? All right, here we go. The

1001
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: first pick will be who I'm seeing goose still. The

1002
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: first pick will be this is tough. You've had this.

1003
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: You've been on clock all day since he came up

1004
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: with this segment. Uh, you know what. I love him

1005
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: And you can come after and say he's got a

1006
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: scarred postseason history, he can't run the clock. But Andy

1007
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Reid is my pick. Andy Reid, Uh is just a

1008
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: guy that I love a guy. Yes, is does he

1009
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: have some baggage? Yes? But do I feel like when

1010
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: a team hits the field of these eight remaining coaches

1011
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: that they're going to be well prepared, that they're going

1012
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: to have a scheme on offense at works and what

1013
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: he's been able to prove, He's built a whole program

1014
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. That defense has gotten better and better

1015
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: as the season's gone along, and at the top of

1016
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: the food chain. Uh, he's responsible for that as well.

1017
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: So Andy Reid is my first pick and the first

1018
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: overall pick of the Coaches Draft. Your thoughts, I don't

1019
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: give him a pass for losing those playoff games with

1020
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: Alex Smith at quarterback. What I do think, though, is

1021
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: that he had a level of talent le Patrick Mahomes

1022
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: that Andy Reid probably would be a two time Super

1023
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Bowl winner at this point. He's you know, I can't

1024
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: argue with the pick at all, totally solid. He's one

1025
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: of the best offensive minds, one of the best quarterback handlers.

1026
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: To me, I had him ranked third and the only

1027
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: reason was he's failed in game management. Yeah, he would

1028
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: have been in my top two. It's if you're just

1029
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: starting an organization, especially if you know he's a little

1030
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: a little younger, he may be he's choice number one.

1031
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Now if you get into a playoff FID and it's

1032
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: in this and among these eight, uh oh, I'm not no,

1033
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Andy Reid. That. Yeah, to me, it

1034
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: was I knew what my top twur dan and you

1035
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: took one of them so um so I I don't

1036
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: have any problem with that. I think he integrated somehow underrated.

1037
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: I love this. I feel like we have the same

1038
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: conversation last year and then it ended with broken hearts

1039
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: against the Patriots in the NFC title game. I want

1040
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: Andy Reid at opening night, the media night. I want

1041
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: him on the platform next to Nance or whom, whom,

1042
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: whomever it will be after with the confetti coming down,

1043
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: it's time for Andy Reid to have his epic moment.

1044
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm going with read number two three and

1045
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: he put up thirty one points on the Patriots when

1046
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: Sean mcveigh's rams put up three. I mean, he's an

1047
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: offensive guy. That's what I want in two thousand in twenty,

1048
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm going. Kyle Shanahan, who's kind of

1049
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: to me that does that sound? Was my I mean,

1050
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get him at number four. But

1051
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: now you isolate that that was something that that almost

1052
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: compared to Greg's throat noise that it was just a sigh.

1053
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to, I mean, and it was

1054
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: a little erotic. It was like, I don't know about that.

1055
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: Guys like, well, that's he was my number one pick overall.

1056
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: Do you love Kyle? You love yourself some Kyle. I

1057
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: know that. I think he's He's everything you want because

1058
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: he's the He's the best combination I think of modern

1059
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: philosophies and aggressiveness and offense and week to week game

1060
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: planning with a groundwork foundation that's really built from Carrie

1061
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: Kubiak and from Mike Shanahan and is tried and true.

1062
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: And he can do anything that you want, Like he

1063
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: can install a great running game, a great passing game,

1064
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: and I do think he has a big global vision

1065
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: two as a head coach, he would have been my

1066
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. I'm excited to get him. Let's

1067
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: shot by you might be the best offensive mind in football.

1068
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: The hats a little on my radar, the hat with

1069
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: the flap. And that's the biggest problem you have with

1070
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: not what I mean anyone would have with a coach.

1071
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, I'll take it. I mean this

1072
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: was like the players like him. He's young, like he

1073
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: just checks all the box and he and he and

1074
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: he fulfilled his promise. You know, it seemed a little

1075
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: star crossed the first two years and then once he

1076
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: got the roster that was healthy and the quarterback was

1077
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: on the field. He proved that he's a guy that

1078
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: can coach a team. So yeah, I think it's a

1079
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: solid number two pick. And that takes us now to

1080
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, the third, uh youngest member of the group.

1081
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: You're well, just like I had Bill O'Brien and his

1082
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: own tier at the bottom, I had John Harbow in

1083
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: his own tier at the top, easily the number one pick.

1084
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: I know Greg's always hated him as a coach to

1085
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: get him fired on this pros like a side west singer,

1086
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Greg put him on the hot seat year after years

1087
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: one of the five best coaches. All I did was

1088
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: kept pointing out that their own owner said I considered

1089
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: firing him. To use your own football analysis and realize this,

1090
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: he can't get fired one of the best coaches and

1091
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: it's good. Doesn't mean he almost didn't lose his job.

1092
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: And then neither runaway pick for coaching go ahead day.

1093
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, when I did the hot

1094
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: butt rankings in August, I had it on good authority

1095
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: from someone that's super plugged in the league that Harbor

1096
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: was not as safe as people thought. And then they

1097
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: went fourteen and two and that was so there was

1098
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: some type of rumblings that he needs. But like I said,

1099
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I expect you to use your football analysis and realize

1100
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: he's too good of a coach to allow that to happen.

1101
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: Good coaches get fired. But also belle It's chick didn't

1102
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: get fired because he's that good in Harball's not Belichick level,

1103
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: but right there. Under Coach of the Year this year.

1104
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have Sanahan for that. I think Shanahan would

1105
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: have had a strong number two. Considering all the injuries

1106
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: that they had that they overcome to go thirteen and three.

1107
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: In the schedule that they play, they could have easily

1108
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: beaten the Ravens if they got But I would put

1109
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: Harbor number one for sure. He has picked the right coordinators.

1110
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: He has chosen to revolutionize offense. Go all in on

1111
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, all in on their philosophy, their vision and

1112
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: still confidence with this team and use analytics in a

1113
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: game management way that has given them and edge on

1114
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: opponents all year long. Love the way they go for

1115
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: fourth downs. I'm all in on John Harbor. I think

1116
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: he's one of the best coaches of his generation. I

1117
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: love any of these guys that show the ability to

1118
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: recreate who they are. Uh, to hang through the complete

1119
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: recreation of a team and a roster like John Harball

1120
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: has done. And he's got a collection of interesting people

1121
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: in that locker room, and he they seem to respect him.

1122
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: There the best best run teams in the league have

1123
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: an ability to see things through and not make the move.

1124
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: It's so easy to just fire the head coach when

1125
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: it's time for a quote unquote regime change, and they

1126
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: because the Ravens are so well run. And West and

1127
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: the last special teams coordinator to be hired since before

1128
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: Joe Judge. If I'm not mistaken, there's been any since.

1129
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's the one that you always have.

1130
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: This is why you're feeling good right now. West, in

1131
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: addition to your positive feelings about the man, the only

1132
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: coach so far that has a Super Bowl ring uh

1133
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: in our draft. So he's proven he could take you

1134
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: the distance, which takes us to Mark Anthony Ceciler not

1135
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: my middle name, Edward. Uh. Well, I'm gonna go Pete

1136
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: Carroll and I and I find it interesting that there

1137
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: are so many people that are always down on Pete

1138
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Carroll and at a number at the fourth pick. Here,

1139
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: I look at the rest of this list, and Pete

1140
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: Carroll has won a Super Bowl. Pete Carroll had like

1141
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: hardball over overseeing the transition of Seahawks one point oh

1142
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: into Seahawks two point oh. You've got the same quarterback there,

1143
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: But that's not that wasn't the major issue. But on

1144
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: defense especially, and you know we don't. We don't get

1145
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: to pull the GM along with him, which I'd like

1146
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: to do. I get it, Pete Carroll. You know, I

1147
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: feel like being around Greg there's just these endless complaints

1148
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: about his you know, time management and game management and

1149
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: little things that are important. Well no, but no, but

1150
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: but but see I I come from a little bit

1151
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: of a different place touch I've always been super positive

1152
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: on Pete Carroll. Well, I don't know, I feel like

1153
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: this year I keep hearing him getting killed and what

1154
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: I what I do feel about Pete Carroll the man

1155
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: who the person that the way that he relates to people,

1156
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: his youthful zeal. I can never tell how old he is.

1157
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: I know it's way up there, but it just seems

1158
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: like someone that is curious about the world. I I

1159
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: would honestly consider Pete Carroll over some of the people

1160
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: that we've talked about a top him in this exercise,

1161
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: depending on what kind of team it was. So Pete Carroll,

1162
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: tell me why I made a terrible choice. Should have

1163
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: gone Mike Rabel here? Huh. I don't know. I think

1164
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,959
Speaker 1: we are Probably it's funny the whole the whole time,

1165
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: the whole time, You're like, back off, probably would have

1166
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: taken Carroll there too. There's a lot of negativity towards

1167
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll this season, and I don't get it. I

1168
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't appreciate. I don't like his conspiracy theories.

1169
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: I think they're a little far flung. And he's but

1170
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: he's sometimes dangerous according sometimes dangerous according to people that

1171
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: follow the team. He's toned down some of the ted

1172
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: talk speaker stuff and some of the motivational things that

1173
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: just seemed a little bit flighty um which voice is

1174
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: on my radar a little bit. But I mean the success,

1175
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: you cannot argue with the success that he's had. Speaking

1176
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: of coaches that have outlived entire runs, the legion of

1177
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: boom is that ancient memory. Usually a coach gets tied

1178
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: to one great era and then gets washed out when

1179
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: that ends. He's been able to stay vital and he's

1180
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: a big part of that team. Wins and entire Wrestll Wilson,

1181
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: rath Ted wins are more except for guess what, Mark

1182
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: Snaky Well. I I am not totally sold on any

1183
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: of the rest of the list here, but I'm gonna go.

1184
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mike Rabel. I really really impressed

1185
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: what West is upset Well. That makes me feel good.

1186
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: That makes me feel I think he's a great coach.

1187
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's got all He's kind of does everything

1188
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: that I would ever, everything you'd want in a football coach.

1189
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: He seems capable at and you know, the Titans are

1190
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: a team. It's not easy when you get attached to

1191
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: these sort of milk toast, middle of the road teams

1192
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: that have a kind of like a reputation for underwhelming

1193
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: and and just sort of not having an identity or

1194
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: standing out. I think that he's built a team with

1195
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: an identity. Uh you know, I don't care that he's

1196
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: defensive minded, because every one a year ago was talking

1197
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: about go get the best passing game coordinator, offensive coordinator,

1198
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: and the team that dominated everyone is Greg Roman running

1199
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: the ball four hundred and sixty times a day, so

1200
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to win, and that he

1201
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: uses his players. He has pretty well. Mike Rebel, no

1202
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: questions asked. He's out there before the game doing hundreds

1203
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: of push ups. He's planking for hours on end. Then

1204
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: you get you get to the game and he's out

1205
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: belichicking Belichick at the end of the game, not giving

1206
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: them the ball for three minutes on some fake punt nonsense,

1207
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: some fake penalties. Yeah, he came in cracking a lot

1208
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: of jokes like that. You're right. He did the thing

1209
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: that Belichick did, theo gaze on that Monday night game

1210
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: where he just burned off like multiple minutes of game

1211
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: clock on the technicality. And he knows the Patriots, which

1212
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: is great, as he said, feast on bad football and

1213
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: we didn't hand them anything. This guy knows how to coach.

1214
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: This team is super confident. I think they might be

1215
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: the most confident team in the playoffs except for the Ravens,

1216
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: and they get that from Vrabel and Derek. Hen Erica

1217
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: had a question for you, though, she asked me, I'm

1218
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: not sure why, but a question for who you I

1219
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: guess I just like, what's milk toast? Milk toast, what

1220
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: means land middle of the road. Um, you have to

1221
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: go back and dec it. Erica was like toast coated

1222
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: and milk, add a little egg sort of, you know,

1223
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: add a little leg, make it French tou it's milk

1224
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: with the it's milk with the Q. I mean, yeah,

1225
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: it's m I l Q. You eat bland. Bland would

1226
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: be the milk toast sounds gross to me because I

1227
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: don't need them matched or put together. Milk and toast

1228
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: food soggy bread with a milk smelt. I mean that

1229
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: sounds good to me, like kind of somehow you make

1230
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: the toast, well, that's how you make it. Add a

1231
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: little egg and that's does a great But it doesn't

1232
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: sound what it sounds cold, not warm. You don't like

1233
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: food I don't want, but I don't eat it up.

1234
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't need a cold piece of bread dipped in

1235
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: the milk. And I that crazy to know you prefer

1236
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: that you have to have egg too, and then you

1237
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: put it a little hard, pass a little syrup. Let's

1238
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: why never. Uh. And I'm not going to be nearly

1239
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: as passionate about this one because I wanted vary able.

1240
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: I'll take Matt Lafloor just because I don't want Mike

1241
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: Zimmer or Bill O'Brien. And I know Zimmer had one

1242
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: of his best games of his Vikings career last week,

1243
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: great game plan, um. I just not wild about the

1244
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: way he coaches situationally. I don't like that his defense

1245
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: often doesn't show up in big games. I'm taking Matt

1246
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: la Floor, who has exceeded expectations, even though Greg won't

1247
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: give him any credit for going thirteen and three in

1248
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Green Book. I would be if, frankly, if I'm Matt

1249
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: Lafleur and uh the the hypothetical fans that are rooting

1250
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: for whatever organization West is putting together, I'd be a

1251
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: little concerned that you almost none of that was about

1252
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Matt Laflour. It was all about Mike. It was all

1253
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: about Mike Zimmer. That upfront I wanted. If that's the

1254
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: best thing you got, that's you know, I just don't

1255
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: want Zimmer and O'Brien. That's what I feel strongly about.

1256
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: You guys. Take those two. I think Batt la Fleur

1257
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: has done a good job, and I think they they've

1258
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: been pretty good in game management compared to uh, certainly,

1259
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: I will say the thirteen threes great. No one is

1260
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: sold on the Packers. If they get bounced out of

1261
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: the Division round, it's not gonna looking so hot from

1262
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: Alan fur it will be like, oh, the nice regular season,

1263
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really their offense. By the way, this

1264
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: is a crazy said the Seahawks. We're gonna lose earlier. Well,

1265
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a close game. You're saying if this

1266
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: happened to six, I disagree with that. You're teen in

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Speaker 1: three is successful. Let me just say this, it is wild.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'd say save this point for Thursdays. No,

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Speaker 1: say it now. It is pretty wild that you have

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Speaker 1: a new offensive minded guru as your head coach. You

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Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers healthy for sixteen games, and they were

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Speaker 1: never higher than seventeenth in total offense this year. They

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Speaker 1: finished the eighteen. They never got hot and moved into

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Speaker 1: the top ten. They were always a middle of the

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Speaker 1: pack or a little bit of worse offense. That's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: With Rogers healthy for sixteen games, they couldn't get things going,

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Speaker 1: get get the version of Aaron Rodgers that he was expecting.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, I think I think I think they've done

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Speaker 1: a pretty good job with what they with what they've had.

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Speaker 1: But it is pretty remarkable. Their points scored were the

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Speaker 1: exact same uh in two thousand and eighteen and nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and almost all their offensive stature almost assassinated almost the

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Speaker 1: exact same in Green Bay on the way out the

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Speaker 1: do if they had ways to win, they had to

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Speaker 1: put a roof over his car driving out of that facility.

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Speaker 1: About Aaron Jones. Once Aaron Rodgers was up in the

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Speaker 1: book depository scoring points with Jimmy Graham as you're tited,

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Speaker 1: all right, Greg, I think Mike Zimmers underrated. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to get him here down this Steve selling himself on

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Speaker 1: this one in the draft. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Fifty seven and thirty eight in six years, one losing

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Speaker 1: season and that was seven and nine. I mean, they

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01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: are tough to game plan four. I think they do

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Speaker 1: adapt pretty well. If you if you want to give

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Speaker 1: people credit for hiring coaches, well, how about Gary Stefans

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Speaker 1: getting Gary Kobe. I think ken in the Stefanski and

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Speaker 1: Gary Kubia that's a nice little uh, that's a nice

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Speaker 1: little offensive combination that you've that you've put together Stefanski

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Speaker 1: and Kubiak, and you have a defense that's very good.

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Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's very good. And I think,

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Speaker 1: especially all the veterans that are on the team, I

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01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: think they're able to switch what they do on a

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Speaker 1: week to week basis, which should be a good recipe

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Now, they haven't been in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: that often. What easy? Now two and two in the playoffs,

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01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think they're in almost every year, aren't they. Yeah? Three,

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: they lost that one of the Seahawks, and then they

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: made they won one game and lost the NFC champion.

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01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: Now they've won this one. So he's two and two

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But in theory, I think that's the

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Speaker 1: type of team that you want in the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: a type of coach that can change what you do

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Speaker 1: each week because you got a veteran defense. I like

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Speaker 1: Mike Parcels raves about him. I mean, he's I think

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Speaker 1: that what stands out to me. Why wouldn't jumped on

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Speaker 1: him earlier? It's just I don't know, I mean, is

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Speaker 1: something about Mike zimmer scream like versatility? I hear you,

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Speaker 1: But he fired hired the right people to do it.

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Speaker 1: But also I thought last year's team was hurt a

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Speaker 1: little bit by Zimmer. Not well, you annoy the Vikings

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: are playing. I mean, how do you feel about quarter

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: last week? Kirk Kirk Cousins had one bad throw last

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01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: uh Sunday and Mark immediately was like, get this team

1324
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: out of our all right, but you know what, say

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01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: it all chance. I I also think I simply underestimated

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Speaker 1: them and was wrong, and by the end of that

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Speaker 1: game they they still do a different type of confidence

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Speaker 1: in me. Who cares what I think about the VIC

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Speaker 1: They don't six hundred winning percentage for over a six

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Speaker 1: year period. He's very solid. That's pretty solid. That's pretty soft.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled to have Bill O'Brien joining my fold

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: at the eighth pick. It's a perfect way. Him and

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: Andy Reid two minds, great minds. And I just have

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: to say everyone hates Bill O'Brien in this room. I

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: definitely not. I would get him over a few guys

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: and it's not sure it's to me how year after

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: year nobody in this room ever, ever, ever misses the

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to come after Bill O'Brien as being incompetent or

1339
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: bad or overmatched or out coached or out g M,

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: and yet he's always there at the end. Five years,

1341
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: four playoff appearances, he's out up to two wins, and

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01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: he's in the divisional round this year. He's proven himself

1343
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: against a lot of doubts to be a pretty solid

1344
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: talent evaluator, wearing the two hats as a GM and

1345
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Speaker 1: as a head coach. Uh And I just mean back

1346
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: to back division titles. These things are not This is

1347
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: not a bell Check resume, but he is the most

1348
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: successful Bellichick disciple. Uh And as unlikable as he maybe

1349
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: as he might not like his butt chen, he might

1350
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: be anti heiny chin with a dimple he's got going

1351
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: on there. I even like that. I just think Bill

1352
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the guy. It's a punching bag. And while

1353
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: you punch him continues to succeed. It's not every single year,

1354
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm defending this guy in August and then you get

1355
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: to January and his team is in the playoffs. Yeah,

1356
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: that has something there. You have built in an exquisite

1357
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: straw man. He he won Nothing's going up straight nine

1358
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: win seasons with nothing at quarterback, and you know you're

1359
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: pairing with the Shawn Watson and there right here they

1360
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: are alive, they're dangerous. I think that Bill O'Brien was

1361
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: helped by taking over the front office and doing it

1362
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: his way. I think that the one knock on him

1363
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: went to see there seemed to be constant organizational uh,

1364
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: intrigue and madness going on behind the scenes. That wasn't

1365
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: the case this year. So I don't everyone fired. And

1366
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: let me just say, but that's the village that's Belichick

1367
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: wants to run his own front is the flip side

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: to this, And speaking of the Power Ranking show, Matt

1369
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: money Smith made a very good point that I will

1370
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: not deny that this team has laid some eggs in

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they were laying a big, stinky one

1372
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday before. It seemed to Shaun Watson was like,

1373
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: that's it, I'm done with this. I've taken this game over.

1374
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: He started running the ball a lot more. Uh and

1375
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: you kind of echoes of Mike McCarthy late period Aaron

1376
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers relationship. I am not saying that Bill O'Brien is

1377
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: the greatest coach ever, but for him to be a

1378
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: no brainer Number eight on this I would have taken

1379
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: him over. Let me ask you this, where would you

1380
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: rank Bill O'Brien on this all the back? I would

1381
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: put him like if if he went six or something

1382
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: that that would make sense to me. But you know,

1383
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the next Belichick. I just think

1384
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: he's not terrible. And that's how he's so often perceived.

1385
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: He's been. He's been adaptable, That's all I'm saying. What

1386
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: was his big playoff win? That one or the one

1387
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: against Connor Cook? What about Mike Rabel you're betting on potential?

1388
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: I guess he was. What's mean he had he had

1389
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 1: his first win the playoffs and do what Bill O'Brien

1390
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: has done how many times against the Chiefs the first

1391
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: forty minutes of that game last year's playoff game, which

1392
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: was I think a third. He was very close to

1393
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: becoming a the a f C version of Marvin Lewis.

1394
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: But to that point, that's like a better than average

1395
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: head coach save more rotten eggs than like a colera

1396
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: riddled easter bunny. Give me, so, we were right, I

1397
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: don't know we were wrong about what happened when he

1398
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: became GM. I just didn't like the way he went

1399
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: about it, to go do that and then to set

1400
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: the whole franchise up to basically save Bill O'Brien. I'm

1401
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: not even really ready to say we were wrong about that.

1402
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: If if they're losing, if they're well, I think he's

1403
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: been a good coach. But I don't think the fact

1404
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: that like those I don't think those trades are proof

1405
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: that that was like a great move. If you're losing

1406
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs, are barely escaping

1407
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: the Bills in the first round, then you lose in

1408
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: the second round, and you're giving up all these draft assets.

1409
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: By the way, lay Mutinsil was one of the worst

1410
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: players on the field on Saturday. You know, he had

1411
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: a great he had a good season, but he killed

1412
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: them on on Saturday. It's like penitent But the idea

1413
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: has to win the super Bowl and to really contend

1414
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: for a super Bowl. Good draft guys, good stuff. Everybody's

1415
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: happy withal If we were talking about you have to

1416
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: take two teams into the season, I couldn't be. I

1417
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: just don't know Pete Carroll though, at four, I don't

1418
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: know Mark five. What are the stakes for these guys?

1419
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: Though virtually like everything else, and we we say on

1420
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: this show virtually nothing. What are stakes? There are zeros.

1421
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: We get to say whatever you want. It doesn't matter

1422
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: if we're right or wrong. No one's gonna remember. Well,

1423
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: this is also really hard. I guess I feel like

1424
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: that the coaches you guys picked, or who you have

1425
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: to stick with for the playoff run. Now my two

1426
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: are on Seahawks corner. I mean I did the right

1427
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: the loyal r facing off against each other, so I

1428
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: went and lose that strategy Saturday. All right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: The next time you hear from us, Yes, once again,

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Speaker 1: help out our friends in Australia. I had the numbers wrong.

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't five hundred thousand animals dead, five hundred million

1432
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: animals and that total is old. This is a disastrophee.

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Speaker 1: This is a catastrophe. It's a disaster. Rural Fire Service, Wires,

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Speaker 1: Animal Rescue, Australian Red Cross, if you would like to donate,

1435
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: those are all places you can donate and they will

1436
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: send that to a good cause. I don't know if

1437
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: it's a internet thing uh and not real, but I

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: believe it could be real. The if you show the

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: photo from space above Australia. It's just red and brown

1440
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: and orange and that is not a good thing. So yes, um,

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: if you can help out, please do it. And to

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: our listeners from that area of the world, I hope

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01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: you're okay, stay safe, all right. We will be back

1444
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: Thursday with our preview of the divisional playoffs. Yes, what

1445
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: what better weekend is there on the NFL calendar than

1446
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: eight of the best teams in the league fighting it

1447
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: out hoping to get to the final four of the

1448
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: bracket for the Super Bowl. I don't think there's a preseason.

1449
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Week three is kind of tight for a lot of

1450
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: a lot to observe a lot of jobs. In week four,

1451
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: the preseason two on the line, it's all right, so

1452
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: it's the third best week here. Like that week right

1453
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: after the super Bowl, that's a week for you. Ali

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Speaker 1: bon Puri are digital features editors and make sure you

1455
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Speaker 1: get a thirty two team power rankings out two days

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Speaker 1: after the super Bowl. Said, yeah, that's gonna do well. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good that's a sent That day

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: after the super Bowl goes crazy. I remember what I said,

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: that's like the most popular day of the year is

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: the day after the Super bowl. Once you hire that

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Speaker 1: out to someone some one of those women who mark

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Speaker 1: made up like Sally Lee Yates or something, I will

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Speaker 1: look for. These are actual, uh workhorses. Do you have

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01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: that sound effect? By the way, Erica there it is?

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01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: That was a little erotic, you're Pete Carrol or no.

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01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: It was the kind of cal Shanahan under your breath

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: I recall now like it's yes, thank you, let's go. Passion.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was. That was the passion from within.

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: It's like right after the passion and signing off from

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Speaker 1: wide Storm, but mail me on the old boss and

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Speaker 1: Rick Hollywood behind the glass un till Thursday. Ha