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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Carol Markowitz Show on the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network on iHeartRadio. One of the

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Speaker 1: things we're going to be talking about a lot on

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Speaker 1: this show is how we're lied to about marriage and

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Speaker 1: kids and generally about family life.

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Speaker 2: There was a viral video on TikTok recently.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not on TikTok, I'm on Instagram like a

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Speaker 1: grown up, and so I see the tiktoks as reels

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Speaker 1: three weeks later.

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Speaker 2: But I saw this one and it really stuck with me.

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Speaker 1: In it, the girl is accepting an engagement ring, and

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Speaker 1: as she pushes her finger through the ring, it flashes

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Speaker 1: to her.

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Speaker 2: Life becoming one of drudgery.

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Speaker 1: She's doing laundry, she's washing floors, she's rocking a baby,

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Speaker 1: and when she takes her finger out of the ring,

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Speaker 1: it's back to her regular life. The ring is what

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Speaker 1: locks her into this terrible, difficult life. So the conversation

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Speaker 1: around this clip is that some people believe it's anti

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Speaker 1: marriage propaganda from China, and maybe it is. I should

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Speaker 1: ask my EXCIA friend Buck Sexton what he thinks. But

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Speaker 1: I have a few thoughts overall on this clip. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, does this woman not do laundry or

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Speaker 1: clean her house currently.

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Speaker 2: I remember single life.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of doing laundry alone and making

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Speaker 2: Now I do the majority of.

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Speaker 1: The housework, but I also work at my job a

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Speaker 1: lot fewer hours than my husband does at his, and

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Speaker 1: I absolutely have help from him, like, Babe, can you

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Speaker 1: put the clothes in the dryer? Babe? Can you unload

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Speaker 1: the dishwasher? Yes, we call each other babe. But two,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting that people think this is propaganda from China. Now,

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Speaker 1: why would China want to discourage Americans from getting married.

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Speaker 1: Aren't they afraid of independent girl bosses and fifty year.

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Speaker 2: Old men who act like they're twenty in the club.

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Speaker 1: It's believable that a video like this would come from

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Speaker 1: an adversary because deep down, no matter how many videos

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Speaker 1: Chelsea Handler puts out on how much she loves sleeping alone,

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Speaker 1: we know that marriage is.

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Speaker 2: A worthy goal.

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Speaker 1: Couples who are married are more successful, they make and

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Speaker 1: save more money, they live healthier lifestyles.

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Speaker 2: There's just an array.

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Speaker 1: Of benefits to getting married that are not debatable, and

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Speaker 1: that maybe China doesn't want our people to have there's

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Speaker 1: also just, you know, being around someone you love and

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Speaker 1: who loves you and wants to make you happy. It's

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Speaker 1: all very nice. I can tell you that I bought

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Speaker 1: into this lie in my twenties, before I started dating

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Speaker 1: my husband. I never wanted to get married. I used

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Speaker 1: to wake up in cold sweats having had a nightmare

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Speaker 1: that I had gotten accidentally married.

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Speaker 2: Somehow.

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Speaker 1: I was immature, and yes I was dating the wrong people,

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Speaker 1: but I also believed that marriage was the end of life.

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Speaker 1: Kids were so boring. I did not want to be boring.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have an exciting life. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: that line in the old movie when Harry met Sally

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Speaker 1: could fly off to Paris on a moment's notice, but

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Speaker 2: That was me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be free and available to fly to

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Speaker 1: a good time. In my single days, stuff like that

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Speaker 1: really didn't happen. I'm much more likely to take a

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Speaker 1: trip to Paris today, and it might not be at

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Speaker 1: The lie is that marriage and family are the end,

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Speaker 1: but it is a lie. Stability and family life opens

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Speaker 1: might not even know exist. You're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: laundry and washing your floors with or without your space,

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Speaker 1: and the trips to Paris. The other lie is that

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Speaker 1: you have to pursue your career before settling down, and

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Speaker 1: this lie is often specifically sold to men. This is

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Speaker 1: absolutely backwards. When you have a comfortable home, when somebody

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Speaker 1: easier to do your job and pursue opportunities. Married men

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Speaker 1: make more money than single men, and this is a fact.

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Speaker 2: It also just makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: The guy's wipe being on Tinder every night just isn't

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Speaker 2: But it's true for women too.

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Speaker 1: A pupil in twenty twenty one found that coupled women

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. And I say this all the time,

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Speaker 1: know that that trope exists. I have heard it many

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Speaker 1: Woman who just forgot to get married, but I literally

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Speaker 1: don't know her, and I have met quite a few

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Speaker 1: people along the way, because let's be real, meeting the

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Speaker 1: You have to be open to it, yes, but there's

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Speaker 1: some luck involved. As I said earlier, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: I was deathly afraid of having to spend my life

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Speaker 1: with the wrong person. I know that it was luck

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Speaker 1: is not. If you're a single person, whether a man

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Speaker 1: I get it. I know marriage is the best, but

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Speaker 1: I haven't met my person. Know that I understand. I

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Speaker 1: totally get it. I see you. I'm rooting for you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, and I hate that you

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Speaker 1: get criticized for being unmarried. I hope that the advice

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Speaker 1: in your search, and I hope that you do find

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Speaker 1: your person because it is something great and I want

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Speaker 1: you to be a part of it. My final comment

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Speaker 1: You're not going to be on the bean bag at

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's house playing Madden eras do come to a close,

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Speaker 1: and that's not a bad thing, but I think it

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Speaker 1: needs to be clarified that sure, marry young if you've

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Speaker 1: met the right person, don't marry young just to marry young.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more.

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Speaker 1: Into all of these ideas in future episodes, and I

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Speaker 1: do hope you listen along. If you'd like for me

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Speaker 1: to answer your questions or offer my advice, the email

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Speaker 1: is Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com, and.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is my friend Buck Sexton, co host

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Buck, Hey, Carol, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Did you petition to make it the Buck Sexton and

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Show or no?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I always liked to be the guy that everyone can

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Speaker 3: count on to just carry my side.

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Speaker 4: The thing, I don't make any petitions, So.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I know you quite well,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know the answer to some of these.

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Speaker 2: So did you always want to be in radio?

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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely not.

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Speaker 3: I was somebody who was a CIA officer because I had,

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Speaker 3: you know, nine to eleven happened, and I just was

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Speaker 3: one of those people who thought I was in college

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Speaker 3: and I thought, how can I help?

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Speaker 4: And so senior year, I mean it happened.

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Speaker 3: When I was a sophomore, I was studying Mid East

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Speaker 3: politics and things like that, and then senior year, the

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Speaker 3: first job I applied for was with the CIA. Everyone

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Speaker 3: else was like, I want to go to Goldman Sachs.

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Speaker 3: I'm want to go to a Kinsey and they're like,

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Speaker 3: what do you want to do?

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Speaker 4: Buck?

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Speaker 3: And it was a little weird because I didn't really

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Speaker 3: I didn't tell anybody because I wasn't really sure if

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Speaker 2: To CIA material right.

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Speaker 4: Part of the CIA I was going to do.

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Speaker 3: So I just sort of, you know, did my thing

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Speaker 3: and then figured I'd go through some on campus recruiting

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Speaker 4: And I got the CIA job.

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Speaker 3: So I did that for years, and then I did

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Speaker 3: NYPD and Tellen's Division, and then long story short, Glenn

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Speaker 3: Beck found me, like just found word of me and

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Speaker 3: That's that's about ten years of my life condensed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 1: Actually, my very first time on TV was on Blaze

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Speaker 2: So, you know, long long road to get here.

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Speaker 1: Were we nice to you? There was a lot nice. No,

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Speaker 1: you guys were super nice. Yeah, it was you, It

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Speaker 1: was Will Kine, it was se Cup. You guys were

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 1: So you have the best, the biggest radio show in

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, do you feel like you've made it?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I think that every day I have

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Speaker 3: after a show, I think about what I could have

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Speaker 3: done differently. I think that in our business you have to.

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Speaker 3: You can really go astray and start to drive yourself

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of noise and you know,

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Speaker 3: media all the time. But ultimately, I just try to

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Speaker 3: serve Russia's audience every day because I still it's, you know,

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Speaker 4: That rush built over thirty thirty plus years.

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Speaker 3: So no, I mean, I'm writing a book right now

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Speaker 3: which is has gone from being exciting and fun to

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Speaker 3: it feels like I'm breaking like rocks with my bare fists.

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Speaker 4: Every day. I'm just like, make this stop, make this stop.

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Speaker 1: Howard Stern is all offended by this and thinks that

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, younger and everything. I always just

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Speaker 3: thought it was and I know this is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're such a nerd. I just always thought a lot

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Speaker 3: of it was really distasteful and kind of mean.

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Speaker 2: And not fun.

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Speaker 1: I would have been okay with the crudeness if it

447
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Speaker 1: made me laugh, but it never made me laugh.

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Speaker 3: If you strike me as in good I always felt

449
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Speaker 3: like it was there was a level of where where

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Speaker 3: it was kind of like mean humor for malcontents, like

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Speaker 3: people that want to see somebody humiliated and laugh at

452
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Speaker 3: that it was. And look, I'm not I wasn't an aficionado,

453
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Speaker 3: but I'm just saying I've never been a fan. And

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Speaker 3: so now that he's like a lockdown free wants mask ye,

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Speaker 3: and you know it is trying to police Bobert and.

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Speaker 1: Like come on right, yeah, all right, We're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: wrap up with some really easy questions like what do

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Speaker 1: you think is our largest societal problem in America?

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Speaker 4: Wait a second, Wait a second. I thought this was

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Speaker 4: like Rogan doing I get like three hours here and.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, nice and fast, get all your

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Speaker 2: best advice.

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Speaker 3: And what is our biggest our biggest societal problem is

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Speaker 3: uh self obsession?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's solvable?

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Speaker 3: Well, like any problem, the first step is understanding what

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Speaker 3: the problem is. I think as a culture we have

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Speaker 3: turned or what I actould say is it's actually not.

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Speaker 3: There are the American people, and this I would compare

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Speaker 3: to people all over the world that I've met interacted with.

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Speaker 3: American people in general are actually quite generous and have

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Speaker 3: a public spirit. That is, if it's especially if it's

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Speaker 3: not you know, for a lot of them, if it's

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Speaker 3: not compelled, they're very generous.

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Speaker 4: With what they want to do for, you know, for

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Speaker 4: their country.

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Speaker 3: And but I think the culture has become overwhelmingly self

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Speaker 3: obsessed in a way where now anyone who wants to

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Speaker 3: sort of make a good faith effort about how we

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Speaker 3: can be better towards others or how we can grow

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Speaker 3: and things like that's just all mocked and ridicule. Like

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Speaker 3: it's just how famous can I be on TikTok? How

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Speaker 3: much money do I have? What car do I drive?

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Speaker 3: You know, how hot do I look on Instagram? Like

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Speaker 3: all of this is kind of overwhelming because people say, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's always been like this, No, because now everyone's kind

487
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Speaker 3: of everyone's a brand, right, everyone thinks of themselves as

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Speaker 3: something beyond just who they are day to day and how.

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Speaker 4: They interact with people.

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Speaker 3: It's now what is the online perception and the mass

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Speaker 3: media perception of who I am, even if you're not

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Speaker 3: a public person, because everyone's kind of a public person

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Speaker 3: now in some way. And so I think that that's

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Speaker 3: created some really challenging and really kind of negative feedback

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Speaker 3: loops and things like that.

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Speaker 4: So that's for a broad stroke answer, that's not.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's ruining America, which I could also say.

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Speaker 1: So would the buck Sexton plan be get everybody off

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Speaker 1: social media? Or what limit social media? Maybe limit how

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Speaker 1: we use it? What's the like, you know.

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Speaker 4: You could do the ancient Greeks we're big into. They

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Speaker 4: were big into.

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Speaker 3: To moderation as a as a concept, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and that's something that I think is important. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think whether you're talking about your your alcohol intake,

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Speaker 3: your sugar intake, your just go down a list of

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Speaker 3: all these different things, it's about balancing it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I saw recently there was a debate. I think Cernovich

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Speaker 3: said something about sports, and all these people get upset

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Speaker 3: because he basically says, you know, why are all these

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Speaker 3: adult met obsessed with sports? And I mean I largely

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Speaker 3: agree with Cernovich as a side note, and I think that.

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Speaker 2: This was playing obviously.

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Speaker 4: I think this has become crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, if you want to watch a

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Speaker 3: football game on Sunday, fine, like you know, relax, kick back,

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Speaker 3: like I'll watch whatever TV. Sometimes I viewed as like

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Speaker 3: playing video games. Want to play a video game, fine,

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Speaker 3: play video game. But if you tell me that you're

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Speaker 3: going to spend all of Saturday and all of Sunday

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Speaker 3: watching and betting on sports and you're going to watch

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Speaker 3: three games each day and you can spend like nine

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Speaker 3: ten hours. Like it's excessive, right, So I think, what

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Speaker 3: was it?

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Speaker 1: What was your initial plight? Now I'm running off into

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Speaker 1: how are you solving? How are you selling the you know,

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Speaker 1: self obsession.

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Speaker 3: Just to tell to tell people to try to achieve

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Speaker 3: to a degree that can balance and balance and moderation

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Speaker 3: and things, and you know, think about taking a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think most of society can be boiled down to

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Speaker 3: a short term versus, like the fight between short term

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Speaker 3: and long term thinking, because most people assuming that they're

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Speaker 3: capable of baseline long term thinking, most people know deep

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Speaker 3: down that that's.

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Speaker 4: Going to be better for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's you know, dealing with those sort

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Speaker 3: of initial impulses. And you know, I wish I ate

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Speaker 3: less chocolate. You know, I don't want to tell you.

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Speaker 3: I just I love a little bit of chocolate here

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Speaker 3: and there, and sometimes it turns into a whole bar.

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Speaker 4: So that's my way of trying to solve things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't eve get into politics that much,

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Speaker 3: which I appreciate because these days I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: politics needs it really beats people down, and I wish

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Speaker 3: it was I wish it was a little more inspiring,

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Speaker 3: were inspired instead, it just feels like we're all in

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Speaker 3: the middle of like a Yeah, do you ever do

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Speaker 3: you ever see a fight? I don't know what kind

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Speaker 3: of school you went to, but do you ever see

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Speaker 3: a fight that in school? That at first was everyone's like, yeah, fight, fight,

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Speaker 3: And then someone got like really hurt.

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Speaker 4: You're kind of like, oh, God, like you know, someone

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Speaker 4: like hit their head on the ground or something.

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Speaker 1: Politician and that who's the which politicians are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: There? Who's getting their head beat in?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're at a point now where

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Speaker 3: also people really people are really wanting to see their

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Speaker 3: political opponents like locked up in a prison cell and

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Speaker 3: and shut off from their families and to be treated

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Speaker 3: like to be treated like a convict and all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: and like this is heavy stuff, and it's becoming all

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Speaker 3: very normalized, and it's like, oh, we just and this

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Speaker 3: is not a good place for society to be in.

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Speaker 4: And and I don't know how that's something. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how we turn it off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we get people to scale back

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I'm somebody who for years has

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Speaker 3: been saying, you know, we need to like throw down harder,

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Speaker 3: we need to get more into.

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Speaker 4: The into the fight on some of these political issues.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, we're now at a place where if

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Speaker 3: the other guy doesn't get thrown into prison, half the

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Speaker 3: country is going to be upset. And that's just that's

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Speaker 3: just crazy. I mean, that's that should not a place

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Speaker 3: to be be.

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Speaker 4: Where we are.

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Speaker 3: So I know I've taken up more of your time,

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Speaker 3: look at and see so we need to see, you know,

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Speaker 3: Carol with a radio host, we will all talk forever

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Speaker 3: because there's something a little wrong with those see podcast.

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Speaker 1: Apparently I can cut you off at any time, or

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Speaker 1: we could just keep this rolling, you know, indefinitely. But okay,

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Speaker 1: my last question and here with your best tip for

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Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you recommend people do to

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Speaker 1: just better themselves better their own lives.

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Speaker 4: So it will sound.

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Speaker 3: I think trite, maybe a little bit, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's very true. Protect your time. I think people allow

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Speaker 3: themselves to get drawn into things, or they feel like

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Speaker 3: they have to do something or they feel like so

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Speaker 3: and so wanted them. Your time is valuable and you

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Speaker 3: need to You're the only one who can do it

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Speaker 3: for yourself, right, I mean, unless you've got like some

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Speaker 3: chief of staff or something, you're some big important person.

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Speaker 3: Learning to protect your time, I think is one of

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Speaker 3: the most important and underrated skills that people have, which

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Speaker 3: includes things like, you know, when you're invited to something

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Speaker 3: and you don't think it's gonna be that fun and

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Speaker 3: you would be better serve like working on a project

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Speaker 3: over the weekend, like don't go.

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Speaker 2: You love saying no to stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: I do love saying no to things that is.

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Speaker 3: This is also a fact of my reality in my life,

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Speaker 3: Like I just if I'm not looking forward to something

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Speaker 3: and it's and it's a like the craziest thing I

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Speaker 3: come across all the time are people who spend their

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Speaker 3: free time doing things they.

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Speaker 4: Don't really like. They're like, oh, it was.

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Speaker 3: So hot at like the golf course, and I was

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Speaker 3: you know, I was out there for like ten hours.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Do something else? So protect your time is a mantra

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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very important, and that means protect the

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Speaker 3: time you spend with loved ones and family and protect

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Speaker 3: some time to read.

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Speaker 4: Every everyone thinks they read, Carol, most people don't read.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true.

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Speaker 3: If you ask anyone if you read, they'll go, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying can you read. I'm saying you make

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Speaker 3: it a point. Like I fall asleep reading a book.

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Speaker 3: I fall asleep reading a book every night. Now, I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying I'm some huge yeah or something, but I

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Speaker 3: just mean like it's a part of my daily I

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Speaker 3: will read for thirty minutes before I go to sleep

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Speaker 3: every night.

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Speaker 2: That's really awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean I used to do that and then I

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Speaker 1: got married and that ended.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, well when I.

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Speaker 3: Have kids, which you know, God God willing hopefully will

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Speaker 3: be soon, I may be up, you know, reading bedtime

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Speaker 3: stories instead.

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Speaker 4: But I'll work on something.

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Speaker 1: Well. Thank you so much, Buck Sexton, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being on my first episode. Loved having you on and

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back when your book is out.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it's a good book. Thanks Carol too, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So much for listening today.

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll join me next time on the Carol Markowitz Show,

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Speaker 1: thank you,