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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Alan Greenfield has been interested in the occult UFOs, strange

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Speaker 2: animal sightings, paranormal experiences, phenomena like the Shadow People and

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Speaker 2: the Real Men in Black for most of his life.

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Speaker 2: He's been an active investigator since the early nineteen sixties

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Speaker 2: has traveled the world in search of the truth. He

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Speaker 2: wrote with all of Phillips the book Secrets of the

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Speaker 2: Real Black Lodge revealed Alan, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but you know I've been on with you

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Speaker 3: five previous times, so I hope I have something new

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Speaker 3: to say that I certainly have a new book.

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Speaker 4: Out, and you sure do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Can I give you a little background on how

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Speaker 3: I came to get involved with this particular book.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you this question, give

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Speaker 2: us a little background on how you got involved in

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Speaker 2: this particular book.

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Speaker 3: Well, for the psycond friends, that works, So maybe I

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Speaker 3: just read your mind. I wrote Secret Cipher the Euphonauts

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Speaker 3: a long time ago, and it was always intended to

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Speaker 3: be a trilogy. Well, the second book, let's just say

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Speaker 3: one of the darker magical organizations caused me a lot

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Speaker 3: of trouble. So the second volume was ten years later,

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Speaker 3: and both have done very well. When they're out of print,

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Speaker 3: they fetch fantastic prices, which is not something that comes

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Speaker 3: to me because I don't get you know, used books

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Speaker 3: don't have royalties, but at least not for me. But

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Speaker 3: I was going to do the third book of the

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Speaker 3: trilogy on the Secret Chiefs of the Third Order, which

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Speaker 3: essentially are the what they call in the East the

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Speaker 3: Body South Post or the good Angels or beings who

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Speaker 3: started out as human beings and who have ascended to

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Speaker 3: an exalted level so that they're not in any sense

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Speaker 3: corporeal anymore like me and me, but but who try

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Speaker 3: to aide humanity to attain to ascend to a higher level.

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Speaker 3: There is another group, however, unfortunately uh is always Yen

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Speaker 3: and is always yang, right. I was listening to your

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Speaker 3: Last Hour boy, Yeah, uh an astronomers certainly. UH foresaw

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Speaker 3: a lot of the darkness that's going on now. And

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Speaker 3: the reason I didn't write the book about the Secret Chiefs,

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Speaker 3: but rather, in consultation with my publisher, Olive who may

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Speaker 3: be on later this evening morning, whatever it is. At

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Speaker 3: the moment where you are, I realized that we live

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Speaker 3: in foreboding dark times, and I wanted to I really

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Speaker 3: believe that knowledge is power, and I wanted to speak

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Speaker 3: to the darker side of the occult. And that's why

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Speaker 3: the book certainly references the secret chiefs, but the high

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Speaker 3: level Adepts who have chosen, for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 3: the dark side of the force. Pardon me, George Lucas

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Speaker 3: need to be exposed because they were talked about in

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Speaker 3: theosophical circles and in the Chroleian circles a lot up

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Speaker 3: until A Brown nineteen twenty, and then it stopped being

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Speaker 3: lead to the imagination as to why it stopped being.

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Speaker 3: All I know is I brought up the subject and

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Speaker 3: was told, well, hi, initiatives don't discuss this. So that

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Speaker 3: for me was you know, father, I thought, well, I

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Speaker 3: better specialize in this. So I've accumulated a lot of information,

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Speaker 3: and my publisher has accumulated a great deal as well,

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Speaker 3: and we synthesized it what I was concerned about. Though

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Speaker 3: oddly enough, was not my own fate. I mean, I'm,

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Speaker 3: you know, not over the hill, but I'm on the

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Speaker 3: hill and I can see where it's down. So I

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Speaker 3: don't really worry about that. Because they wanted to get me,

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Speaker 3: they would have gotten me long ago. But when my

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Speaker 3: first book, and it was, as it happens, my first

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Speaker 3: book with a real publisher, Secret Cipher, The Youth Nauts.

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Speaker 4: And that came out in eighteen twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the current edition all of Phillips. My current publisher,

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Speaker 3: has been kind enough to reissue every single one of

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Speaker 3: my books, except one, which I begged him not to reissue,

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Speaker 3: partly because it's was co authored with someone I'm no

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Speaker 3: longer affiliated with. But they're all in print. But the

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Speaker 3: original edition goes back oh twenty years. Wow, heavily revised.

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Speaker 3: But you won't be seeing anything from a luminant press

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Speaker 3: anymore because shortly after the book was published, the publisher

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Speaker 3: in his immediate entourage. You may know of Jim Keith

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Speaker 4: From a sprained ankle.

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Speaker 3: That's right, you know, well weird. The publisher Ron Bonds,

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Speaker 3: to whom this new book is dedicated, he went to

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Speaker 3: Now the infrace is his wife was eating the same

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Speaker 3: you know, food, and she didn't get sick, and neither

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Speaker 3: did anyone else in the restaurant, So it was a

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Speaker 3: targeted thing. Furthermore, let's assume, you know, someone gets ill

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Speaker 4: Absolutely that doesn't kill you that quickly.

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Speaker 3: That that was the union syndrome, the same thing that

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Speaker 3: has happened to certain enemies of mister Putin that fall

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Speaker 3: out of windows a lot or planes, planes or yeah,

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Speaker 3: all sorts of ways to die. That are novel. He

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Speaker 3: seems to have a high repertoire. He must have seen

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Speaker 3: the movie I'van the Terrible sixteen Times and the Path

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Speaker 3: of the Poisoner. But we'll pass on him. It's pretty

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Speaker 3: dark times, and I wanted to inform people everything that

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Speaker 3: I know about the Black Lodge. Now, they never call

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Speaker 3: themselves the Black Lodge. Of course, they will lie through

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Speaker 3: their teeth. Their interest is actually in enslaving or destroying

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Speaker 3: the human race. You can call them fallen angels, you

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Speaker 3: can call them demons, you can use any terminology you want.

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Speaker 4: Was this a place, though, Allen, that they would meet at.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting question that I don't really have an

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Speaker 3: answer for. They are the actual members of the Black

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Speaker 3: Lodge are ascended masters, just like the Secret Chiefs. So

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Speaker 3: they are not corporeal beings. They can manifest as corporeal

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Speaker 3: higher vibration, we'll say. But their minions, people that they

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Speaker 3: employ or they use or whatever. They gather here and there,

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Speaker 3: wrote the original book The Secret Cipher, That they use

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Speaker 3: expecting it to change, which it hasn't. And in using

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Speaker 3: it's the perfect instrument for having great secrecy when you're

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Speaker 3: people who are interested in angelology or demonology or whatever.

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Speaker 3: And then they disperse, and it's never all of them

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Speaker 3: at once, but they're they're worldwide, and their intention is

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Speaker 3: to either cause a nuclear conflagration which brings us back

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Speaker 3: to Nostrodamus and others, or to simply enslave the human

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Speaker 3: race in some way, mostly a by trickery. They don't

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Speaker 3: come out. And if this sounds like what was being

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Speaker 3: talked about the Antichrist and so forth, it is certainly

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Speaker 3: of the same milieu. If it's not exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: Thing, well, since you bring up the Antichrist, what I

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Speaker 2: have discovered here and you know about this, is that

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Speaker 2: the Black Lodge of these evil magicians were featured in

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Speaker 2: a book called moon Child in nineteen twenty three, novel

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Speaker 2: by the occultist Alistair Crawley, and in that novel, the

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Speaker 2: thought was the Antichrist.

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Speaker 4: How evil can you get?

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Speaker 3: That's very evil? And that was when I mentioned after

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Speaker 3: Black Lodge. Revealed the title. We we went back and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's the book on the Black Lodge by

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Speaker 3: Greenfield and Phillips, and y'all need to buy it because

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's different, it's dark, but it offers some

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Speaker 3: solutions to And again I say, knowledge, power and ignorance

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about the rogue

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Speaker 2: former FBI agent Wyndham Earl.

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Speaker 4: Do you know much about him?

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Speaker 3: Not too much. I mean, I'm familiar with the case,

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Speaker 3: but that's more on Olaf's side of things than mine.

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Speaker 3: We sort of each had our specialty in doing the

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Speaker 3: input for the book, and mine was, predictably enough, the

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Speaker 3: magical stuff, the occult stuff, and the UFO stuff, and

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Speaker 3: it overlaps. I mean I found definite overlapping. For example,

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Speaker 3: because I was privy to certain information about it that

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Speaker 3: and certainly not for the readers. It was for my publisher,

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Speaker 3: because based on what happened to Ron Bond's and Illuminat Press,

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Speaker 3: indeed he had horrendous things, mostly of a very personal nature,

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Speaker 3: have twelve published books in print, and I've never had

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, he's going to join us in a few minutes, Allen,

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Speaker 2: You're going to stay with us for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the show, of course, but all of it. He'll join

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Speaker 2: us after the break to talk about some of the

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Speaker 2: things that have happened to him. Is this group, the

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Speaker 2: Black Lodge members, is it still in existence? Has it

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Speaker 2: been passed down from father to son for example.

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Speaker 3: Well, not father to son, but from initiate to initiate.

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Speaker 3: In other words, it doesn't run in families biological families,

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Speaker 3: trans channeled things like Ashtar, which is a Babylonian demon.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anybody would credit, you know, peace and

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Speaker 3: love coming from a Babylonian demon with any any kind

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Speaker 3: of credibility, But there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: follow that and they have just chosen. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: the dark Side. The only mentioned after Moonschild that there

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Speaker 3: has been other than a single article I did, which

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Speaker 3: this is like twenty years ago. It got shouted down

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Speaker 3: by the occult community. We don't talk about that stuff anymore.

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Speaker 3: Who was is? Maybe is the right way to put it.

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Speaker 3: David Lynch's The Twin Peaks, which talks very really about

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Speaker 3: the Black Lodge, and I am very interested in He

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Speaker 3: gets a autographed Deluge copy. I understand from the publisher,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be interested in his reaction to this, because

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Speaker 3: clearly he has inside information. He's known as a enthusiastic

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Speaker 3: transcendental meditation person and that's not my deal. But you know, potentially,

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Speaker 3: be very enlightening. And that being the case, I think

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Speaker 3: that maybe David Lynch will have something to say about this.

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Speaker 3: Certainly a lot of his fans have gravitated towards this book.

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Speaker 3: I knew it would sell well if it ever got out,

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Speaker 3: but I wasn't sure that, you know, yet another publisher

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Speaker 3: would bite the dust or his family or something, and

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Speaker 3: I kind of warned him in advance that might be

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Speaker 3: the case. But thank god, he's still with us, and

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Speaker 3: so are his immediate entourage, and I hope it remains

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