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Speaker 1: What do you fear the most in the dark of

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Speaker 2: Okay, hope we can. We'll touch on a hopeful note.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we're a country on edge. This is

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Speaker 2: this is the house divided against itself, led by by

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Speaker 2: by men and women who want to divide it. Look,

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Speaker 2: there's no mystery about what Stephen Miller's vision for America is.

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Speaker 2: You know what he's whispering in Donald Trump's ears, the

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Speaker 2: So I think you know, you and I have talked

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Speaker 2: bad Tump can be. We can't allow that to happen

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Speaker 2: right now. So they're talking there. Look, I wrote this

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Speaker 2: some point invoke the Insurrection Act, which is one step

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Speaker 2: from martial law. If you would have said that six

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Speaker 2: months ago, we've been excused of Trumpty Rangeman syndrome. I

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Speaker 2: think they fulle intend to do that. People like Steven

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Speaker 2: Miller are hoping. They are hoping for acts, more acts

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Speaker 2: of violence so that they can use that as the pretext,

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Speaker 2: or more Dracronian invasions of American cities. But there don't

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Speaker 2: even have to be acts of violence. I think this

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Speaker 2: is their plans, is their intention. They are lusting for it.

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Speaker 2: I was talking with Susan Glass on my podcast yesterday

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Speaker 2: about this. You know, you watch what I call maga porn.

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Speaker 2: They love the images of the brutality. You know. Christine Known,

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Speaker 2: That happens. But christin Genome made it into a video

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Speaker 2: So people think that they're like maybe embarrassed about this,

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Speaker 2: And these are the people who are talking to the

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Speaker 2: do worry about that, and frankly, I keep waiting, as

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Speaker 2: not the way to upoll law. I keep waiting for

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Speaker 2: that moment. My most hopeful thing of the morning, if

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Speaker 2: the churches are rising. The hope. We have an American

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Speaker 2: It goes right to the heart of the great hypocrisy

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Speaker 1: So the predicate to that for me is through the smoke,

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Speaker 1: That's true. I mean that that's that's true.

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