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Speaker 3: Scandalshas and Katie.
Speaker 4: I'm doing a play reading at my theater company. I
Speaker 4: am a which Geirmo has worked with before, and I
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how much scandal is just like
Speaker 4: in my I don't know what happens when you do
Speaker 4: one hundred twenty.
Speaker 2: Why, Like it's in your head, like you're thinking about
Speaker 2: it all and take a beat like fucking You're like,
Speaker 2: maybe they're the ones that are bad at not speeding
Speaker 2: it up. Maybe it's no.
Speaker 4: I just feel like my internal clock is fast anyway,
Speaker 4: and so it is. I just fit with scandal better
Speaker 4: than things that are slower.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, wait did you just come from there now?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Fuck, I've been acting all day. Can't you tell?
Speaker 4: My voice is so warmed up?
Speaker 2: Project to the back. We should also say to our
Speaker 2: listeners that today happens to be for twenty. It's April twentieth,
Speaker 2: So if y'all want to smoke it up, put that
Speaker 2: smoke in the air while you're listening to this podcast.
Speaker 4: Oh, I am definitely getting fucked up tonight.
Speaker 2: When this episode airs. Obviously it won't be for twenty,
Speaker 2: but right now, just know that it's for twenty. When
Speaker 2: we're recording it, I almost went and hit my bond,
Speaker 2: but I was like, no, let me not do that,
Speaker 2: because then I'm just gonna want to talk about food
Speaker 2: and eat the whole time. Wait a minute, that anyway.
Speaker 4: I want to ask, is this your first four to
Speaker 4: twenty in the history of four twenties where you have
Speaker 4: been stoned all day and you've been holding off? Or
Speaker 4: do you shoot sometimes on four.
Speaker 2: Twenty so you don't Sometimes it happens all the time.
Speaker 4: You are one of the great kings of cannabis in
Speaker 4: pop cannabis. See between the Chappelle Show, Half Baked and Weeds.
Speaker 4: Let it be known also listeners, I don't know I've
Speaker 4: ever told this story on this podcast, but one time
Speaker 4: I go over to Germo's. Did I tell you this?
Speaker 2: I don't think we did on the on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Now I go over to Scandals over We're all having
Speaker 4: withdrawals from our friends and not seeing them every day,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm gonna go over GE's house. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna hang out, like on a Friday and I have
Speaker 4: childcare till four o'clock, so like we're all good, and
Speaker 4: I go into your house and I go into your
Speaker 4: scary cave dwelling thing, yes, the secret room, and you're like, well,
Speaker 4: let's smoke. And his secret room is fucking amazing, right.
Speaker 4: It has a dope TV. It has a fridge in
Speaker 4: there that has like kombucha that are all different flavors,
Speaker 4: and like amazing posters and scary stuff all around, all
Speaker 4: the different collector's items he has from horror movies.
Speaker 2: And it's rest the case with the secret door.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's amazing. And you're like, do you want to smoke?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, of course, and you take
Speaker 4: out a huge bong and thank you for being such
Speaker 4: a gentleman because you offered me like a little baby bowl,
Speaker 4: like one hitter. Thank you. I so appreciate it. Would
Speaker 4: have I got so fucked up from just your weed
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 2: Pole, faced planted for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh no, call an ambulance, brain broken, We don't come
Speaker 4: back back from this.
Speaker 2: You would have gone home and just like eaten everything
Speaker 2: all those.
Speaker 4: I'm really fucked up. We're having a day. Gus smoked
Speaker 4: me up. I cannot drive like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you just gotta let loose, man, right, Sometimes
Speaker 2: you just gotta like sometimes loose.
Speaker 4: I have not been high in a good long time.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know what you're saying
Speaker 4: about my current state of affairs. My anxiety has been
Speaker 4: off the chart.
Speaker 2: Katie, me too. I think everyone's you know how many
Speaker 2: friends of mine are like, oh my god, I'm really
Speaker 2: going through it.
Speaker 4: I does feel like overwhelmed right now. I have some
Speaker 4: existential moments where I'm like, what is life? Everyone's going
Speaker 4: to die. We're all going to die for any of this.
Speaker 2: Listen, And the world is in flux right now. It's
Speaker 2: in chaos. It's literally in chaos politically and everything. Of course,
Speaker 2: we're all feeling anxious.
Speaker 4: I feel so anxious, and when I do, I get
Speaker 4: scared about smoking weed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It could go one of two ways, right Like. It
Speaker 4: could either make it so much better and I have
Speaker 4: fun and I feel a release and I feel like
Speaker 4: a perspective shift, which is so helpful, or it goes
Speaker 4: down a dark, terrible turn where everything becomes even worse,
Speaker 4: where it's like, holy fuck, we're gonna die. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: die I'm not going to see my children, my parents
Speaker 4: are gonna die. Everyone's sick, the whole world is sick.
Speaker 2: And then you're high, you say you're like, oh god.
Speaker 4: Why is the point of any of this? Like why
Speaker 4: are we even here? And then I start just being like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you spiral, spiral. I'm the same. I'm not that
Speaker 2: guy that could be anxious or feel down or whatever
Speaker 2: and be like, yo, I want to get high. I
Speaker 2: can't do that because for me, it accentuates the negative.
Speaker 2: I only like to smoke if I'm feeling really good,
Speaker 2: if I'm in a positive headspace, if I'm feeling you know,
Speaker 2: up and happy. Like if I'm not, I can't smoke,
Speaker 2: like I could drink. I could have a drink if
Speaker 2: I'm feeling down or whatever. And it sort of puts
Speaker 2: me into a little zen, you know, chill place. But
Speaker 2: weed is different.
Speaker 4: Have you ever done ayahuasca?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I'm intrigued by it, but I'm also like,
Speaker 2: I'm also a little bit scared because it's a long trip, right,
Speaker 2: isn't it like a seven to eight hour trip or yeah.
Speaker 4: And there's throw up in duty and all. For some people,
Speaker 4: you have that angel and you like drink a tea
Speaker 4: and then you puke. But like some people have such
Speaker 4: out of body like I understand the meaning of life
Speaker 4: and see like yeah, really what this is all about?
Speaker 4: And they like go to a different plane. And some
Speaker 4: people there's like some people who have like psychotic breaks
Speaker 4: and they like never come back.
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh Jesus Christ, see that would be
Speaker 2: I feel like that would be me. That would so
Speaker 2: be me.
Speaker 4: Have you ever done LSD or No?
Speaker 2: Hell no, same things, same thing. I'd be so scared
Speaker 2: of that shit.
Speaker 4: I'm so fucking old school and cheap. I'm like, give
Speaker 4: me my fucking wine, beer, vodka, whiskey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm straight.
Speaker 4: I'm getting give me my one hit on a joint,
Speaker 4: like two hits on a really nice joint.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We good. Like I've been doing the same shit since
Speaker 4: I was fourteen.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to experiment with some new high caliber
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty three stuff.
Speaker 4: No, no way, it's too scary.
Speaker 2: Remember when we were emailing back and forth, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, at four twenty I would have already been smoking.
Speaker 4: But the first email of like, we have a very
Speaker 4: special guest today, let it be known and we got
Speaker 4: hit today, and Gama quickly wrote back like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: it's looking for twenty Like, if it's not the national
Speaker 4: holiday in your household, we shouldn't be working.
Speaker 2: Oh man, But the guest is so worth it. The
Speaker 2: guest m not so worthy.
Speaker 4: The guest can go down in history. Is one of
Speaker 4: the all time, all favorite characters on Scandal.
Speaker 2: I did a deep dive researching our dude that's going
Speaker 2: to be on and Homeboy has done one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty films and television projects and still counting.
Speaker 4: I have so many questions to ask him because I want't
Speaker 4: know how we got the part, how he created the part. Yeah,
Speaker 4: here's the most fucked up thing about his part is
Speaker 4: that he was mimicking in a lot of ways someone
Speaker 4: that would go from the host of The Apprentice to
Speaker 4: the President of the fucking United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, how does he feel playing this character
Speaker 4: that was poking fun, making games, all of this stuff
Speaker 4: at this fucking joke of a man who ended up
Speaker 4: that the joke was on us people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure was. Joke was on an egg, on
Speaker 2: all our faces.
Speaker 4: And on all our faces.
Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, he also played Julius Caesar at the
Speaker 2: public Theater, and the the theme or the.
Speaker 4: The parallel that they were making was that Julius Caesar was.
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, and people who lost their minds.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, lost their mind. So Greg Henry, God,
Speaker 4: damn it, we can't keep his name out of our mouths.
Speaker 4: We can't the one and only, most spectacular Greg Henleary,
Speaker 4: who created the one and only Greg We're stone right now, right,
Speaker 4: We're not even created the one and only Hollis Doyle.
Speaker 2: And let it be known that Hollis Doyle was created
Speaker 2: or was on the televisions of America before he who
Speaker 2: shall remain nameless became president?
Speaker 4: Can you believe that before he even put his name
Speaker 4: in the bid?
Speaker 2: Years before?
Speaker 4: I mean, Hollis Doyle was a character from season one.
Speaker 4: And that's what shit started to get really weird, and
Speaker 4: people started to be like, does Shonda know more than
Speaker 4: what like the public knows, Like forget ripping things out
Speaker 4: of the headlines, She's.
Speaker 2: Ripping shift from from back from the future, She's ripping
Speaker 2: shift into the present from the future, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: The fuck?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so wild? Did he know he was Trumpian?
Speaker 4: Did he just do that? On his own. Was he
Speaker 4: just like a Republican oil douchebag?
Speaker 2: Like Greg Henry is in the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Queen, you have not aged a day. I have
Speaker 4: just watched an episode of you from twenty thirteen, literally
Speaker 4: ten years ago.
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that I was listening to you.
Speaker 5: I was listening to you guys with Shanda on the
Speaker 5: first one, which was great.
Speaker 1: The show was great. I learned a lot. So that's
Speaker 1: where I first heard ten years.
Speaker 2: I was like, right, like, where does the time go?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, COVID really fucked it up in that,
Speaker 4: like multiple years were eaten that were like what happened?
Speaker 4: We don't know and we still don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: But Greg Henry, thank you for doing this. A b listeners,
Speaker 4: who's wearing the coolest hat?
Speaker 2: It's like a Cabby hat?
Speaker 1: I like you a Cabby hats.
Speaker 5: That's my side hustle now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Tell us we need to know the origin story of
Speaker 4: Hollis Doyle, Like, did you audition? How did you build
Speaker 4: this character? Had you ever been on Shondaland shows before?
Speaker 4: Tell us the Hollis Oil creation story.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm kind of in the dark about
Speaker 1: it in a way. I mean, the part of Hollis
Speaker 1: was just offered to me.
Speaker 5: You know, I had done one lowly episode of Grey's
Speaker 5: Anatomy a few years before.
Speaker 1: I played a doctor who was.
Speaker 5: The mentor to Meredith Gray's mother, which, of course that
Speaker 5: would have been Kate Burton eventually. Yes, but this was
Speaker 5: way back in time this episode.
Speaker 1: Shanda knew who I was there, but I think.
Speaker 4: Linda Lowe, the casting director, just loved you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know she did at that point in time.
Speaker 1: You know, she offered it to me. I think I
Speaker 1: remember her talking about.
Speaker 5: A show I did a few years before called The
Speaker 5: Riches on Fax, and I played this drug addicted, rich,
Speaker 5: good old boy.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what put it together for her in
Speaker 1: her mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say earlier, Greg, you have done quite
Speaker 2: a bit of work. I mean I did a little
Speaker 2: bit of research and you've done over one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty did you know this about yourself? One hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty films and television projects. Yeah, so listen, the scandal
Speaker 2: folks knew who you were obviously, And also let me
Speaker 2: just say really quickly, you've worked on six Brian de
Speaker 2: Palmer films. You have been in Scarface, Body Double, Raising Kine,
Speaker 2: fem Fatale, The Black Dolly, The Casualties of War. You
Speaker 2: are my fucking hero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we look into Germa Diez is a horror movie
Speaker 4: obsessor Giermo of one hundred and eighty credits that the
Speaker 4: incredible Greg Henry has done. How many horror films?
Speaker 2: Can we just talk about the one horror film that's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite films. It's called Slither. It has
Speaker 2: the best special effects that I have ever seen in
Speaker 2: a fucking movie.
Speaker 4: Wait, what are they? Tell me what they are because
Speaker 4: I hate horror movies and I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: It's a small town that's taken over by an alien plague.
Speaker 2: It's sort of a cross between Job of the Hut
Speaker 2: and then the creature from a film called basket Case.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever seen basket Case?
Speaker 4: Nope.
Speaker 2: And who's the lead actress that's in the film. She's
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Elizabeth Banks, Yes, yes, yes, it's Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker 4: My god, Greg Henry, you worked with everyone like so
Speaker 4: when you get the part of Hollis Doyle did the
Speaker 4: first time you try him on? Was it at a
Speaker 4: table read or was it when you showed up on
Speaker 4: set and you weren't invited to the table, Like, what
Speaker 4: do you remember it?
Speaker 5: No, it was it was the table roof and that's
Speaker 5: where I met everybody, everybody all at once. As you know,
Speaker 5: those table reads are epic. I mean, so it was
Speaker 5: quite the beat and greed.
Speaker 4: Did you know he was going to have like a
Speaker 4: southern accent? Did you know you were going to make
Speaker 4: the Hollis Doyle we all know and love today? Or
Speaker 4: was it? I can't remember.
Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact discript that was in the script,
Speaker 5: but it was described that he was you.
Speaker 1: Know that he was an oil billionaire from Texas. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I had a couple of.
Speaker 5: Good old boys in mind that I have known over
Speaker 5: the years. So I kind of stitched them together a
Speaker 5: little bit and went in there and read the lines.
Speaker 4: You're all over season one and you are all over
Speaker 4: season two. I mean you are. You are at the
Speaker 4: table with the goonies, You're you're at the table of Nosporot.
Speaker 4: It's like you Olivia Verna, Verna, me Lily, yes, Cyrus,
Speaker 4: and you're rigging the elections.
Speaker 5: The illuminati, right, Yeah, the illuminati, that's what they were
Speaker 5: called in the scripts now talk to us.
Speaker 4: The Trump of it all? Was that like something that
Speaker 4: came later or like, oh yeah, yeah, was it just
Speaker 4: the coincidence?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I mean, I remember you were asking Shanda about the
Speaker 5: way things were sort of predicted within the show of
Speaker 5: things coming true from you know, AI to it's like
Speaker 5: she's writing the news. Yeah it was, but that came
Speaker 5: way later, and that was like season five that that
Speaker 5: stuff began, and I was gone for a whole couple
Speaker 5: of seasons in.
Speaker 3: There and.
Speaker 5: Came back for that, and I didn't know when I
Speaker 5: was coming back whether it was going to be just
Speaker 5: that or not, although there was an election coming up,
Speaker 5: but I didn't know how it was going to fit in.
Speaker 5: And then then you saw him sort of slide into
Speaker 5: into Trumpianism, you know, which was cool because you know,
Speaker 5: let's face it, Hollis, it's pretty big asshle.
Speaker 4: Asshole. But my god, I literally googled Hollis Doyle's five
Speaker 4: craziest most trump Like quotes from Scandal No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean there are so many sites. I mean, look
Speaker 4: about divorced in to Melly. Here's one divorce suits a woman. Well,
Speaker 4: I can see it in your hips. There you're leaner
Speaker 4: and meaner. You slap that figure onto match dot com,
Speaker 4: the men will come running. I promise you that.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: And this one about being rich. I got money, Republican money,
Speaker 4: the kind of money that wins elections, And just like
Speaker 4: it is with dating, I want to spend it on
Speaker 4: a gal who I think is gonna put out for me.
Speaker 4: You're gonna put out for me? Emili Grant? Or are
Speaker 4: we just going to rub jeans together and leave here frustrated?
Speaker 2: Oh fuck? Yeah, that same scene.
Speaker 1: Lines are from that same scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god, like, oh my god. Then also
Speaker 4: so many racist like amazing, like so many things about
Speaker 4: anti immigration, anti you know, calling now let's dig into
Speaker 4: the issue of them free loading illegals, like I'm just
Speaker 4: reading these whether it's fun. You do such a great
Speaker 4: job of not judging him, honestly, And what I love
Speaker 4: so much, especially in the episode We're going to talk
Speaker 4: to today, is this is really Hollisdoyle episode where we
Speaker 4: see him being vulnerable and like he's a person yes.
Speaker 2: For the first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you did such a beautiful job of not poking
Speaker 4: fun or judging And I feel the same way honestly
Speaker 4: with Sally Langston, like your two characters. God, the joke
Speaker 4: lines they would give you.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I felt so lucky. I was so lucky.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like you were talking about the first episode and
Speaker 6: I sort of start with Jeff in the White House
Speaker 6: or we're talking about something and you know, what's going
Speaker 6: on in Iran and things like that, and then Nelly
Speaker 6: comes up pregnant and walks up into the scene and he's.
Speaker 1: Look at you. It was pleased and plump as a
Speaker 1: deer tick on a prize.
Speaker 4: Bool know which writer in the writer's room really took Hollis,
Speaker 4: because I mean I couldn't. I'm sure there's not every
Speaker 4: writer could really nail that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too, But man, they just wrote me
Speaker 5: such a great part, so so funny and so smart,
Speaker 5: and it was able to change in this way that
Speaker 5: was like because he pretty clear about how he plays
Speaker 5: the game early on, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, sure, dirty, real dirty.
Speaker 1: Dirty, yeah, real dirty. But but they always had this
Speaker 1: sort of gloss.
Speaker 7: That they put on it with the humor that he had,
Speaker 7: you know, even the racist stuff was a little lighter,
Speaker 7: you know, But then then it got into finding out
Speaker 7: what was wrong with him as a candidate, and they
Speaker 7: found out that he was like, you know, really horrible.
Speaker 4: What did they find out? I don't remember what did
Speaker 4: they find out?
Speaker 5: He was hanging out with a bunch of you know,
Speaker 5: former sort of KKK ers, racists, and I went.
Speaker 1: On hunting parties with him, And.
Speaker 4: You know, all right, that's not great. That's not great.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 4: Wait another question for you really quick, and then we
Speaker 4: want to dive into the episode. Do you have top
Speaker 4: few memories of the show for when you were off
Speaker 4: set or any like of your favorite memories when you
Speaker 4: were on set?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I just have always such a general sense that I
Speaker 5: was always welcomed there and so appreciated and loved by
Speaker 5: kind of everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, it was just a warm place
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 5: And when you come in as a you know, as
Speaker 5: a guest star, even one that is supposed to recur,
Speaker 5: that's not always the case, you know, and so you
Speaker 5: really appreciate it when it does happen.
Speaker 2: I have a favorite memory of you, Greg, of you
Speaker 2: being on Scandal, and it's you eating one thousand hush
Speaker 2: puppies in this episode and eat you eat with such relish,
Speaker 2: such enthusiasm. You're a good eater. We talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: actors that eat really well on camera, and you're one
Speaker 2: of those. But I remember me and Katie have talked
Speaker 2: about this before, how in one of these scenes in
Speaker 2: this episode, you had to keep eating these fried hush puppies, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I get to feel in that Ron. It
Speaker 1: was Ron Underwood Dragon. I think he was kind of
Speaker 1: just messing with me after a.
Speaker 5: While, you know what I mean, He's gotta like it
Speaker 5: covered from like, well, let's get it from here, Let's
Speaker 5: get it from down here, Let's get it, let's be
Speaker 5: going in.
Speaker 1: You know it was, it just never stopped.
Speaker 4: Like Garmo said, I think it's such a testament to
Speaker 4: a good actor when they're just like really fucking eating
Speaker 4: and not just like pushing some salad around on a place.
Speaker 5: Don't you hate that a scene and somebody's like moving
Speaker 5: it over here and over there. This scene has been
Speaker 5: like fifteen minutes long and not a bite has been taking.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate it.
Speaker 4: It's ridic is okay? Today on Unpacking the Toolbox, we
Speaker 4: are talking about episode two seventeen, titled Snake in the Garden,
Speaker 4: which aired on March twenty eight and twenty thirteen. It
Speaker 4: was written by rom La Mohamets directed by Ron Underwood.
Speaker 4: It was guest starring Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle, Scott
Speaker 4: Folly as Jake Ballard, George Newburn as Charlie, Joe Morton
Speaker 4: is Mysterious Man, Kurt Fuller is great In Osbourne.
Speaker 2: Sharp, Mila Diavar's Lauren Wellman Sonya Rockwell's Trixie, Melinda McGraw
Speaker 2: as Deborah Clarkson, and Andrea Bowen as may Bell Doyle.
Speaker 4: And a little bit of the synopsis. Starting off, Let's
Speaker 4: see how Greg Henry does.
Speaker 5: Hollis Doyle, a most unlikely person to ask for Olivia's help,
Speaker 5: becomes top priority for the OPA team when his daughter
Speaker 5: gets held for ransom. David Rosen might be in the
Speaker 5: middle of some trouble, and Olivia gets threatened by Graydon
Speaker 5: Osborne as she continues to point fingers at him for
Speaker 5: being the mole.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Huck continues to train Quinn on how to be
Speaker 4: a superspy, and the mystery of Jake Ballard thickens as
Speaker 4: he plays fast and loose with the truth in his
Speaker 4: relationships with both Fits and Olivia.
Speaker 2: After Osborne's dismissal in Sudden Suicide, we learned that Jake
Speaker 2: and and a mystery man staged the whole thing. Damn,
Speaker 2: I think Greg, Greg shout us out of the he
Speaker 2: he did it, man did it?
Speaker 4: Henry? You got that with your eyes closed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: You just remember that Hollis had to speak quickly and
Speaker 5: most people with this accent don't, so it's kind.
Speaker 4: Of a real juxtaposition. So this episode, I freaking love it.
Speaker 4: And the winning scenes of this episode are all They're
Speaker 4: so much Greg Henry genius. To remind you, guys, like
Speaker 4: we already said, you show up at OPA. David is
Speaker 4: at OPA. He's sleeping in the office because he's scared
Speaker 4: for his life. Somebody broke into his apartment and we've
Speaker 4: got a new client. It's Hollis Doyle and his ex
Speaker 4: wife who she was.
Speaker 1: Great, she was wonderful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they come in hysterical while Hollis
Speaker 4: really isn't. But their daughter has been kidnapped for ransom,
Speaker 4: and Hollis thinks is a stunt that his daughter's trying
Speaker 4: to pull for money because she's a drug addict and
Speaker 4: a karthief and a total piece of shit.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: Hollis says, I want her back, but I will not
Speaker 4: pay a cent. Do you remember shooting any of these scenes?
Speaker 1: Do I remember? Yeah? No, I I kind of remember them.
Speaker 1: The food was one thing, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: do all that eating.
Speaker 5: But it was also sort of the first time for
Speaker 5: Hollis to be playing at OPA. Yeah, So so that
Speaker 5: was fun to see how you guys worked on the
Speaker 5: inside there.
Speaker 2: And it was always fun when when characters like your
Speaker 2: character interacted with myself, with Huck and with Quinn and
Speaker 2: with like Harrison, because we didn't usually bump into each
Speaker 2: other on the show, so it was always so much
Speaker 2: fun when one of those characters would come to Opia.
Speaker 2: And this whole this episode, most of your scenes were
Speaker 2: in Opa. I think pretty much all of them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Except for the the hospital.
Speaker 5: I think I was there was like, yeah, ye scenes
Speaker 5: in the hospital.
Speaker 4: She was great too. She sends this ransom video where
Speaker 4: she's like, this is the bank rounding. Yeah, you wire
Speaker 4: the money, daddy, Yeah, like perfectly legible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want.
Speaker 4: What excites me so much Also about this episode is
Speaker 4: we finally see Quinn like getting good, you know, she's
Speaker 4: like under hawk and he's like, let's look at the
Speaker 4: ransom video. What do you hear? Close your eyes like
Speaker 4: it's not just about the lighting of the video. And
Speaker 4: I'm like getting all super spy like and Quinn's getting
Speaker 4: really really good at it.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's fun to watch, you guys.
Speaker 1: Relationship was wonderful.
Speaker 4: It was really building a lot in this episode. Oh
Speaker 4: and Quinn gets to drive. I wrote, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's right me fake driving.
Speaker 2: Right, which is never really driving right on your camera.
Speaker 2: There there's like a truck pulling the car and you
Speaker 2: just have to act like you're driving.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Scenes always so much fun because then you just get
Speaker 2: to chill in the car, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love you just sit the whole time. You
Speaker 4: just do little acting because you can't really do like big,
Speaker 4: big acting in the car because you're sort of stuck
Speaker 4: in a little window. But then, what was so crazy
Speaker 4: about this storyline is that it's completely ripped from a
Speaker 4: real scandal. Jean Paul Getty do.
Speaker 2: You know this watch I know that JP.
Speaker 4: Geeddy, who was the son of the Italian oil family
Speaker 4: worth billions of dollars, was kidnapped when he was like
Speaker 4: sixteen or something and kidnapped and held in a basement
Speaker 4: for ransom for his family. And his family wouldn't give
Speaker 4: any money, I think because they had other children and grandchildren,
Speaker 4: and they were like, if I give one dollar, it's
Speaker 4: just going to send the message that they can kidnap
Speaker 4: any of our kids and will always pay.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: What they did was told him to drink a bunch
Speaker 4: of wine or something and like, get fucked up, because
Speaker 4: we're about to cut off your fucking ear and we're
Speaker 4: gonna mail it to your family. What yep?
Speaker 2: And they did it. Did they do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yep, Yeah, Yeah, he's only got one air.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's only got one ear. They got his ear
Speaker 4: and they sent it, and his family sent the money
Speaker 4: after the ear was sent. But the guy, I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure had a pretty after they got the money. I think.
Speaker 4: I think as the story goes, they just threw him
Speaker 4: on the side of the street and someone found this
Speaker 4: sixteen year old kid like walking down the side of
Speaker 4: the street with like a bleeding ear, having no idea
Speaker 4: where he was, and he was so messed up and
Speaker 4: traumatized and correct me if I'm wrong any of the
Speaker 4: producers listening. But in my mind. I think he actually
Speaker 4: did deal and struggle his whole life with like major
Speaker 4: drug addiction and things like that. At the end of time.
Speaker 2: Wow, I would have too, I mean, come on, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right as you would.
Speaker 4: So like, this whole episode is completely I mean other
Speaker 4: than she to blow the low, you know.
Speaker 2: To blow the blow it, blow it.
Speaker 4: She faked the ear cutting.
Speaker 5: Yes, I love that scene too, where you're like the thing,
Speaker 5: everything is like done, and no, Huck's back there with
Speaker 5: the ear. Yes, wait a minute, wait a minute, and
Speaker 5: he's sold it up and figuring out how it.
Speaker 2: Was cut and he's holding it up to Quinn's ear.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. He figures out that the cut
Speaker 2: of the ear is sort of serrated. He realizes that,
Speaker 2: you know, if another person and was doing it, they
Speaker 2: would have had good leverage and cut the ear cleanly off.
Speaker 4: I love that scene too because it's like, oh, Quinn's
Speaker 4: a freak. Quinn's a freak. Like the other people in
Speaker 4: the scene are like, ew, that's where we be doing
Speaker 4: and like gross, you can't have a fucking ear here,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh no, put it next to my head.
Speaker 4: I want to see what he's onto. But I love Hollis.
Speaker 4: They gave Hollis Doyle. Like there's the scene between Hollis
Speaker 4: and Quinn. Obviously Quinn hey Talis Doyle because of Cytron
Speaker 4: blow up and he ruined her entire life and killed
Speaker 4: Jesse Tyler. Yeah, but there's a beautiful scene where you're
Speaker 4: standing in Quinn's office and you're like, I just want
Speaker 4: my baby back.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, like I fucked up, Like I really
Speaker 2: messed up.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, crying of conscience and guilt, you know, blaming himself.
Speaker 5: You know, he said he doesn't know what happened, but
Speaker 5: he but he does says say that he let her down.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, he had a real moment of conscious
Speaker 5: There was so.
Speaker 4: And my god, Greg Henry, I'm pretty sure you turned
Speaker 4: straight to camera and got like one tier kind of
Speaker 4: rolling down your face like a real pro who has
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty credits on their IMDb can do well.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, holy can act.
Speaker 1: But it was.
Speaker 7: It was so cool though too story wise that then
Speaker 7: you know, hawk over hears Quinn leaving a message for
Speaker 7: her father kind of ties everything together.
Speaker 4: It really does, It really does. And then the other
Speaker 4: huge emotional scene for Hollis where we see Hollis being
Speaker 4: so different is towards more the end of the episode,
Speaker 4: when after Hollis's I mean g takes the ear and
Speaker 4: sort of measures it up, and Hollis like runs into
Speaker 4: the hospital and is like, my baby, we got the
Speaker 4: wired runners. She's back, We're good and comes in with flowers.
Speaker 2: And she's gone. Maybell is gone.
Speaker 4: And then she's calling a cab because she thinks she
Speaker 4: has the money. We learned that she can up to herself,
Speaker 4: and it's all tied up with a bow and then
Speaker 4: we realize, I.
Speaker 2: Guess who the cab driver is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the theme of today's episode is cabbyes, y'allab that's it.
Speaker 4: Hawk picks her up, takes her back to Olivia's office,
Speaker 4: and my god, that scene kills me. It's awful. Oh
Speaker 4: my god. Hollis is sitting across from her and is like,
Speaker 4: you have to choose, like right here, right now, family
Speaker 4: or money?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so heartbreaking it is.
Speaker 4: Do you remember shooting that or not? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do remember that scene. It was like kind
Speaker 1: of perfectly sparsely.
Speaker 5: Written, you know, and it was maybele was really good too,
Speaker 5: you know, she was she.
Speaker 1: Was amazing, she was wonderful.
Speaker 4: But she was amazing. Her name is Andrea Bowen. My god,
Speaker 4: she was perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but she and Melinda it was like, and then
Speaker 5: Carrie in the scene, it was like, really well set up.
Speaker 5: I don't think it took us a long time to
Speaker 5: really do, you know, it was all there on the page.
Speaker 2: I remember being in that scene and you could see it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's on, it's in the episode, and whenever
Speaker 2: they cut to Huck, I'm like almost welling up, like
Speaker 2: it was to watch you guys work. The woman that
Speaker 2: played your wife. Her work was just so Melinda, so
Speaker 2: emotionally heartbreaking, and I remember just feeling so emotional watching
Speaker 2: you guys. It was just so good. It was those
Speaker 2: moments you guys ever have those moments when you're acting
Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh shit, I'm watching the other actor.
Speaker 2: The work is so good that I'm getting too caught
Speaker 2: up in it instead of being, you know, in the
Speaker 2: skin of the character I'm playing. And that kept happening
Speaker 2: in the scene, you know what I mean. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just watching and.
Speaker 4: Like god, that used happened to me on Scandal all
Speaker 4: the time, where I'd be like watching Carrie or watching
Speaker 4: Game and be like, oh shit, I'm supposed to talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's my line. Is there any other I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think, gee, any other? Are scenes in this
Speaker 4: episode that majorly stuck out? I mean the big eies
Speaker 4: for me, like all the Hollis do oil biggies, it's
Speaker 4: the deer, it's you emotional and Quinn's office, it's you
Speaker 4: with your daughter at the end, it's you eating hush
Speaker 4: puppies from now until the end of time. Who But
Speaker 4: then there's also a nice Olivia Jake, makey, makey, makey, audy, auty, sexy,
Speaker 4: sexy time.
Speaker 2: There is that, Yes, And there's also a scene between
Speaker 2: Melly and Fitz where she's trying to convince him that
Speaker 2: the children, you know, probably won't come to visit and
Speaker 2: all of that, and he's hooked on the whiskey too,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you wreak of whiskey every time the
Speaker 2: children are around, and they can smell it on you.
Speaker 2: It's such a powerful scene. She's so wonderful in it,
Speaker 2: and so is Tony.
Speaker 5: I love the direction on the scene where you guys
Speaker 5: are like you're doing your spy thing and you find
Speaker 5: the warehouse where Maybell was from you and you actually
Speaker 5: find the room and you're looking around the room and
Speaker 5: we're all discovering, well, there's the there's the curtains.
Speaker 1: Yes, but where's Maybell. And we're like, yeah, where's Maybelle?
Speaker 1: And it goes, well, she was here.
Speaker 4: It cuts to the cuts to the Bloody the Bloody cot.
Speaker 2: It was here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It just made me laugh when
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 4: It's funny. I do have distinct memories of the scene
Speaker 4: where they've wired half the money and Olivia Pope says,
Speaker 4: we'll wire you the other half with proof of life,
Speaker 4: you know, we'll tell you where, and Maybelle's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'll give you the address. And she gives us this
Speaker 4: address of this abandoned sort of gas station. And I
Speaker 4: remember shooting the scene because it was me, G and
Speaker 4: Carrie and we show up and Hawk is like the
Speaker 4: guard dog and I'm there just because I'm a baby spy,
Speaker 4: and out jumps Maybell as if she did such a
Speaker 4: great job. I remember.
Speaker 2: So she was pushed out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was pretending like she had been pushed by
Speaker 4: her abductor.
Speaker 2: There probably was a pa back there pushing her and she.
Speaker 4: Jumps out and carries on the phone and she's like
Speaker 4: I see her. I see her. It's confirmed, and Harrison
Speaker 4: is like done and sending the other half of the morning,
Speaker 4: and Olivia is saying to her like it's okay, it's okay,
Speaker 4: it's okay. Come to us, come to us. You're safe. Now,
Speaker 4: you're safe, And Huck has these amazing lines underneath his
Speaker 4: let me get him. He's like, let me ge him.
Speaker 4: I could still get him. And Carrie's like like no, no,
Speaker 4: stand down, Hawk like no, and he's like, I got it.
Speaker 4: There's still time. I could fucking take him. And then
Speaker 4: she runs into her arms. But I remember shooting that
Speaker 4: scene and it's nighttime and we're pulling into this like
Speaker 4: abandoned gas station and this girl is abducted and we
Speaker 4: get her and we throw her into the car and
Speaker 4: we sort of like peel off and it's so high stakes,
Speaker 4: and Olivia's screaming on the phone, and I do remember
Speaker 4: it at that point, being like, WHOA, I'm on a
Speaker 4: really fucking cool show, Like like when I auditioned, I
Speaker 4: thought I was on like a really fast talking like
Speaker 4: political women in power and like procedural case of the week,
Speaker 4: Like I had no idea I was going to be
Speaker 4: on something that was like dark and edgy.
Speaker 2: And action packed at times shitty.
Speaker 4: And like there was gonna be abduct shit, you know,
Speaker 4: like I just didn't know.
Speaker 2: You know what I remember. I remember they had soup
Speaker 2: that day. Do you remember that.
Speaker 4: Katie I loved when they had soup.
Speaker 2: They had made like three different pots of soup. Of course,
Speaker 2: it all goes back to.
Speaker 4: The food Garamo. When I talked about food of this podcast,
Speaker 4: it I it, are you a snacker on set? Or
Speaker 4: are you and Joe Morton where he doesn't eat, like
Speaker 4: he'd barely eats all day because he doesn't want to
Speaker 4: waste energy to digestion, you have.
Speaker 1: To use so much willpower.
Speaker 5: I'm like, basically like swatting my own hand half the
Speaker 5: time and bring in those crispy creams.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, shit, Yeah.
Speaker 4: We will be back with more after the break. Some
Speaker 4: fun facts about this episode is that guest star Melinda
Speaker 4: McGraw played the second wife of Leroy Jethro Gibbs on NCIS.
Speaker 4: But fun fact is that Darby Stanchfield actually played the
Speaker 4: same character's first wife on NCIS. Wow, So that character
Speaker 4: has a thing for redheads. Oh yeah, I guess right.
Speaker 1: That must be.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it.
Speaker 4: And then both Greg Henry and Josh Malina had to
Speaker 4: eat a ton of food during the filming of this episode.
Speaker 4: Greg ate over fifty hamburgers and Josh ate twenty bowls
Speaker 4: of fruit loops, which he then threw out, not.
Speaker 2: The whole hamburger. You'd take a few bites and then
Speaker 2: we'd cut and then they'd bring you another burger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and no, wait, question, Greg, are you on Twitter?
Speaker 4: And I think you are?
Speaker 1: I am, Yeah, I'm on Twitter.
Speaker 4: Did you join Twitter during this time of the show
Speaker 4: when we were all on it?
Speaker 5: You know, the thing that was so great, one of
Speaker 5: the many things so great about the Scandal family and
Speaker 5: everything was because you would have these parties, you know,
Speaker 5: at Jeff and Linda's most often, and yeah, you'd watch
Speaker 5: the show so that you could then tweet while you
Speaker 5: watched the show when it was actually being aired. And
Speaker 5: I just took part of the great food and camaraderie
Speaker 5: of those parties and I was like, nah, Twitter, what
Speaker 5: I wouldn't know?
Speaker 1: Nahs, not for me.
Speaker 5: And and truthfully, no one ever said you got to
Speaker 5: do this. It wasn't until the final episode of season
Speaker 5: two that we did the live reading of.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes yeah when.
Speaker 1: She says dad and the place goes nuts. It was crazy.
Speaker 5: It wasn't until that episode that I got I got
Speaker 5: somebody to assist me to become a part of Twitter,
Speaker 5: and that was the first time that I ever sort
Speaker 5: of tweeted, and I did a couple of things that
Speaker 5: I thought were sort of holisy and never very comfortable
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 1: But I but I've tried.
Speaker 2: You know, same same. They just took our blue checks away.
Speaker 1: Did it actually happen, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It happened today. They all just disappeared. I was like, well.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard this yet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they just took everyone's blue checks away,
Speaker 2: and you have to pay for it if you want it,
Speaker 2: if you want it back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what they were threatening to do. And
Speaker 5: I looked earlier this morning. They haven't done it yet.
Speaker 5: But the whole reason that's there is because and Adam
Speaker 5: helped me a lot with this. Actually, I went on
Speaker 5: the Twitter and all of a sudden there was somebody claiming.
Speaker 1: To be me.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh no, all of a sudden, there reies
Speaker 5: another one. They just kept happening, and so we got ABC.
Speaker 5: Adam sort of called up. I think it was Christina
Speaker 5: Fleischer or something.
Speaker 4: Like that, Adam Shapiro, Yeah, Chrisina, to get it, get
Speaker 4: it all rectified, to get.
Speaker 7: It all rectified, and to have me verified as as
Speaker 7: a person, as an actor and as a Twitter being.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, now we're common folk again.
Speaker 4: Well that brings us to.
Speaker 2: The time tweet at the time you're ready to listen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that song keeps you boving.
Speaker 4: And Greg Henry, you're a big singer, songwriter, musician, huge.
Speaker 1: I do that.
Speaker 4: We need a little tweets of the time jingle, that's
Speaker 4: what we need.
Speaker 1: I don't know you seem to have that covering.
Speaker 4: But we read some because Twitter was such a huge
Speaker 4: part of our world that Greg Henry joined Twitter himself.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: So we're going to read a few of these in
Speaker 4: our closing.
Speaker 2: DC Cowgirl Forever tweeted, how stupid am I not to
Speaker 2: see the ending coming. Jake was not upset when the
Speaker 2: CIA director was harassing Olivia hashtag scandal.
Speaker 4: Oh right, that's part of the episode. We didn't talk
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, Jake sort of.
Speaker 2: Well, he's watching Olivia. He has a cameras, but.
Speaker 4: That doesn't need to pin the mole on Osbourne.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes him and Papa Pope.
Speaker 4: And popa pope who comes in at the end, the
Speaker 4: mysterious man. He comes in at the end, and Jake
Speaker 4: has sort of framed Osborne to be the mole and
Speaker 4: Osbourne is going to go down. He gets fired and
Speaker 4: all of that and correct Moon to Jake is all
Speaker 4: in with fits okay? At j Q abroad, who's the
Speaker 4: j American Queen NBA on March twenty ninth, tweeted, how
Speaker 4: many of you would lose an ear and your family
Speaker 4: for twenty million dollars hashtag scandal? I would use an
Speaker 4: ear for twenty million dollars?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if I would.
Speaker 4: Would you?
Speaker 5: You can get a nice prosthetic device for about two
Speaker 5: two million, I think something like that.
Speaker 4: You know, and you're a real musician, So for him
Speaker 4: to say it and lose his ear, I feel like
Speaker 4: we're good.
Speaker 2: Right, let's see at Renee Rico tweeted, you know there's
Speaker 2: a podcast for scandal, right, very fun. Betsy Beers used
Speaker 2: to do a podcast that we would all come on,
Speaker 2: and I was a guest on it. So you were too, Katie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she would do it from her office at Santa
Speaker 2: Gower and come on for she'd have different guests. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you do it?
Speaker 5: Greg? I didn't do it. She was talking to me.
Speaker 5: They were talking to me about doing it, but then
Speaker 5: I was I was gone. I think in Vancouver something
Speaker 5: I couldn't and I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were doing film one hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 4: Your agents better be damn grateful for you, gregul.
Speaker 1: Could you put that in a song please.
Speaker 4: And whistle real loudly and let them know what an
Speaker 4: absolute gem, one of a kind talent and stand up guy.
Speaker 2: Yes they have.
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that Greg Henry was all of our
Speaker 4: Hollis Doyle.
Speaker 2: We are, we are.
Speaker 1: It's been so much fun. It's so much fun to
Speaker 1: see you guys and the talk with see you.
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 4: Where are you? And are you still writing so much music?
Speaker 4: Singing performing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a you know, as a songwriter, you had
Speaker 5: my middle name, it's Greg Lee Henry, and so you
Speaker 5: can go to any place that sort of streams the
Speaker 5: music and find my songs.
Speaker 4: All right. We love you Greg Henry much. Also I
Speaker 4: just want to tell you, guys how excited we are.
Speaker 4: We are getting to the end of season two, what
Speaker 4: the hell? And I just want to tell you that
Speaker 4: next week, what is our next episode called? Gearmo?
Speaker 2: Do you know? I think it's Oh no, no, it's
Speaker 2: it's Molly You Endanger Girl. Oh my god, that's our
Speaker 2: next So our next episode is called Molly You Endanger Girl.
Speaker 2: So good to us.
Speaker 4: The best throwback line for a title from what was
Speaker 4: the movie Ghosts? From Ghosts starring Tony Goldwyn, Patrick Swayze,
Speaker 4: Demi Moore, and Whoopi Goldberg. You in Danger Danger.
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