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Speaker 1: He also previously worked as a senior White House advisor

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Speaker 1: for Matt Mours. Well, Matt, it's great to have you

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Speaker 1: So, Matt, you know, you were a senior White House

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, So North Korea must have been really interesting.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of had this weird theory before we

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Speaker 1: No, I mean it obviously sends a big chilling message,

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Speaker 2: Because you know, look, the Left is remarkably talented at this.

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Speaker 1: Scott matt Ours. We appreciate you taking the time and

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Speaker 1: we'll have you back on to dig in a little

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, LESE appreciate and you know, hop if

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Speaker 2: go to the website and we look forward to working

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Speaker 2: with them.

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Speaker 1: It was Matt Maers with the EU US Forum. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: him and the time to join the show. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but

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Speaker 1: you can listen throughout the week. What do you think

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Speaker 1: John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 1: Until next time,