WEBVTT - What's the future of virtual sex? 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.640 Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:13.720 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:20.640 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there. Sex sex 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.720 sex sex sex sex sex x sex sex x x 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.760 sex sex x sex. I was gonna say we should 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.040 do a C O A, but maybe that qualifies. I 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.239 think so too. Uh, parents, this is going to be 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.360 a show that you may I want your kids to 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.840 listen to. We'll just didn't say that. Yeah, it's about 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.800 some adult business, that's right. Yeah, freaky stuff. Goodness, how 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.440 are you? I'm doing good. I still have a little 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:53.280 bit of the the nose juice for the most part. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.560 I'm I'm good. My energy is up. You dude, I 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.040 have to show you next time I blow my nose, 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.200 I have to show you. This looks like it's it's 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.720 oh no, no, no, no no. It's like Cheetos colored 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.199 and intensity. I I've never seen anything like it before, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.400 and it's coming out of my head. That's weird, orange 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.560 orange yellow day glow. Well, I might as well talk 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.759 about my sickness. Yeah, how are you feeling well? I 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.640 had as you know, um and as you also even further, No, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.640 about once a year I get a stomach flu. Even 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.760 though I think I took last year off, I don't 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.360 think I ever got it last year. I don't think 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.440 you did either. But uh so, my daughter waits eighteen 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.479 full months before she throws up for the first time, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.640 which is a nice run, and she comes in the 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.480 kitchen the other she's like Jerry Seinfeld had really long 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.400 run too. She comes in the kitchen and just projectile 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.840 vomits all over the place out of nowhere, and um, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.840 you know, isn't feeling well and has some like uh 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.240 some some diarrhya going on. Why this show was really 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.240 getting off to a gross start. But two days after that, 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.680 I'm like, I'm invincible, Like I've I've avoided this. That's 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.440 a bad thing, I think. I hope you didn't say 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.040 it out loud. I think I might have. And then 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.160 a two days ago at four pm, it's like, I 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.320 feel a little weird. Five minutes later I was throwing up. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.720 And then six hours after me, it hit Emily. So 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.880 she was able to at least care for our child 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.280 until she went to bed, and then she was like, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.560 I'm not feeling so good either, And then my mom 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.240 thankfully came through and uh and took our child from 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.960 the sick house, and then Emily and I literally all 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.200 night long, we each had a bathroom at our disposal, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.040 and it was just like every thirty minutes, somebody in 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.240 the house was like, man, it was really bad. I mean, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:48.679 it was just it was one of those things where 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.640 we pulled the curtains. We were just like, I didn't 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.440 even want to look at each other. It was just gross. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.639 But I'm I'm you know, it's a twenty four hour 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.639 thing generally, And yeah, you said you told Jerry that 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.080 it was like twenty four hours to the minute. Uh, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.440 pretty much. I mean I started feeling better at about 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.040 four or five yesterday. But I'm just just weak, you know, man, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:11.720 Like it just takes a lot out of you. And 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.440 I feel like, of you know, I'm not big on 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.680 the ad workout, but I feel like, I know, you 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.120 look ripped. Oh dude, I might have Like I feel 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.280 like I really might have pulled muscles in my rib 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.880 cage from wretching. It's funny, all right, So no one 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.679 else is listening anymore. No, let's talk about virtual sex. Yeah, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.560 we chased everyone off. This is a good plan. Hats 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:40.320 off to you, so chuck. Yes, people invented the Internet, 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:46.040 and within about I don't know, eight or nine seconds, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.000 there was a porn side up right, probably yeah, and 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.920 since then apparently, um, it's it's been largely overstated. But 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.400 but most people associate the Internet, at least in part 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.400 with photography. Really, Oh you're kidding, Well, what do you 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.720 mean associate? Like like when when you think of the Internet, 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.040 you think, well, that's a vast repository of pornography. I 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.960 don't know if that's the case. I think a lot 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.160 of people do. Okay, Um, but there's a lot of 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.520 pornography on the Internet, and in fact, the Internet has 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:25.520 helped just foster pornography into you know, by by by 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:30.040 light speed. It's just virgin right. But it turns out, um, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.480 apparently one study I saw in two thousand and eleven 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.560 estimated that only one point five percent of all web 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:45.240 pages are sexual sex based one. Well, that was really 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.159 surprised to hear that. Yeah, but I mean that's just 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.040 a numbers game. Sure, I mean there's there are literally 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.440 millions of porn sites. But doesn't that doesn't that seem 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.920 low though? Even even considering the point is people still 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.279 all do like sex and pornography, and they like the Internet. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.800 And when it when the thing when they were put together, 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.280 everything just blew up. Like apparently now the the Internet 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.200 porn industry alone globally is worth something like forty to 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.239 fifty billion dollars. I saw that in a two article 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:23.200 in the Economist. That's a ton of cash. Man. That's like, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.200 that's how much like the Disney company is worth. They're 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.440 not gonna like that. Their name is you know, I 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.320 just pulled that out of the air. Yeah, good choice. Um. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.000 But one of the things, like I said, when when 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:44.560 the Internet um further pornography, it hasn't stopped, it hasn't plateaued. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.760 It's like, oh great, here's a here's a website that's 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.920 got porn on it. We've achieved peak Internet pornography. Like that, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:57.880 some of the most um innovative thoughts to developing the 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.520 Internet further has been based on pornography. Yeah, just when 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.480 you think they've covered it all, somebody's like, hey, you 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.760 like to, uh take a Christmas ham and carve out 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.120 a hole and put your foot in it. We got 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.760 a website for that, your foot called hamfoot dot com. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.080 Oh man, you better hurry up to trademark that before 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.840 we released this episode. And by the way, when you 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.479 this article was written by Robert lamb our own uh 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.839 colleague here of stuff to blow your mind when you 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:36.320 read it, did you like, how did you feel just 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.480 hearing it in Robert's voice? In my head? I don't know, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.600 maybe that's something with it. I just wanted to take 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:46.080 a shower. Like if Robert, if he typed the word 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.760 lovers like one more time, I was I was literally 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.840 just I don't I've never liked that word with you, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.120 and especially not coming from Robert like him. And I 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.080 think he used the word lovers in here like six times, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.040 like you know, he was wearing a silk robe and 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.960 he wrote this. Yeah, I can't imagine how much like 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:10.040 graphics stuff got edited out from his first chap uh. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:16.280 But we're talking about the future of simulated virtual sex, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.320 not necessarily robot sex um because that's a different thing. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.360 And we actually we did a whole episode on that, remember, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.240 I think it was called like will we Marry Robots? 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.880 Because we were trying to be above the board. But 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.040 we talked a lot about that, but that that's not 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.280 what this episode is about now. This is a little 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:41.480 bit more about UM using technology to either simulate sex 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.280 or two and I found out in a lot of cases, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:45.920 and we'll go through it as we talk about some 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.600 of these specific things. A lot of them seem geared 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:54.360 towards UH or at least they're marketed as like, hey, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.160 are you in a long distance relationship? Like, you know, 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.640 we can help bring you closer by sort of synchronizing 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.080 UM phone sex in a way, like just a super 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.480 advanced form of phone sex, right right. And that's definitely 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.960 like the the genteel way of putting it, because I 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.440 think probably more to the point, it's hey, do you, um, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.200 i'd like to have internet sex with people you don't know? Well, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.240 have we got some technology coming down the pike for you. Yeah, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.800 And they don't say, hey, are you super lonely and 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.800 like and you know, it's easy to laugh about, like 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.559 the lonely dude in his house, but there there are 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:38.199 you know, they're genuine phobias, and like, this could be 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.880 a benefit to people who who aren't, like literally aren't 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.880 able to certain conditions to go out and have real sex. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.720 You know, sure about that, but it's it's a real 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.480 it could be proved to be a real benefit. Yeah, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.480 holders are gonna love this stuff. The the other thing 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.920 that that almost sounds like what you just said was 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.360 like a mid term goal of UM, of the future 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.720 of internet based sex, right, But ultimately from everything I'm seeing, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.320 the ultimate goal, or maybe not even goal, but what 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.000 will probably prove to be the ultimate reality is um 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:20.359 that sex will be so improved and and perfectly refined 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:25.360 by science and technology that we we will end up 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.320 preferring it and and I mean, like the normal average 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.320 human will end up preferring simulated sex over the actual 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.880 real thing. I don't know, man, I mean that's a uh, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.520 that's that sounds like one of those things that that 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.640 people in fifty years will look back and be like, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.440 what idiots, you know, they got that really wrong. But 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.439 it also seems like, I don't know, people like, uh, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.959 people like good sex, you know. Yeah, but it's like 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.640 simulated sex is to real sex as soilent is to food. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.840 Well that's that's so I guess we can talk about 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.400 it now. Um, there's the basis of it. Is not 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:14.400 like everybody just going to be um these uh just 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.160 completely what's the word I'm looking for? Just this crazy 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.320 promiscuous people all just having anonymous internet sex with people 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.560 all over the internet. That will that will probably be 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.320 a very real possibility. Um, I mean it already is, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:33.320 but this actual virtual like convincingly simulated sex um will 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.800 eventually be a possibility. What I've seen that will be 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.600 more likely is that people will be in monogamous relationships 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.560 like they are now, but rather than doing it, you 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.520 will go with your like your separate rooms and do 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:52.760 it remotely using the simulations, right, or it potentially could 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:59.959 be a way too, maybe relieve the uh, the incland 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.320 nation to step out on your husband or wife, yeah, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.400 and say, you know what, I'm not gonna cheat on you. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.120 I'm gonna you know, it's just a very technologically advanced 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.679 form of masturbation. Sure, But that also, like I can 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.040 definitely see couples where say, like, you know, that's fine, 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.320 that's great, go get your rocks off with the computer lady. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.439 But I also see like, no, no, no, that's not 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:27.240 that's terrible. Yeah, and I think that's already an issue now, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.240 Like you know, are you sure with porn sites or 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:35.560 porn sites or webcam people like whatever, But when you 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.800 when you add this element and This is ultimately what 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.959 we're talking about, Chuck, is the progression toward adding actual 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:50.640 physical sensation too to internet sex. Um that this it 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.480 just opens up the whole idea of cheating like even further, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.439 you know, like you wouldn't have to use your imagination 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.720 any longer because your body is being physically manipulated to 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.160 to recreate the sensations of having sex in real life. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.000 I feel like we should take a break. I think 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.720 so too. I think we really set this one up 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.920 so high that we can't possibly deliver from now on. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.840 All right, well, let's take a break and uh, I'm 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.600 gonna go have a talk with Robert Lamb and we'll 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:46.960 be back right after this. All right. So Robert Lamb 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.920 points out that every lover's embrace is essentially since data. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:59.280 And that's true. It's um, you know, it's touch, smell, uh, sound, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.000 it's it's like all the sensory data that we get 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.640 from you know, eating an apple or something is the 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.719 same with sex the sexy times. But he asked a 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.600 very pertinent question here, and that's kind of what we're 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:17.600 after is how far can you go to digitize and 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:22.280 transmit that information? And uh, touch is probably the best 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.360 the obvious starting point, right exactly, because if you step 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.920 back and you look at the the landscape of internet 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.520 sexuality today, right, it's all all of it is visual, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.800 the entire thing. I mean there's audio too, so it 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:42.080 is um oral and visual. And I mean the au 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.000 are a l um Now. I had a joke I 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.960 had to really fight to not say out loud, well 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.280 email it to me, okay, um. But so basically, the 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:58.320 the current state of internet sex uses your eyes and 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.600 your ears, and that's it, right, yeah, And everything that 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.720 we have is based on that, and there's but that's 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.360 that's not to say that that's not going to play 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.280 a part in the future of sex. It's just that's 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.720 the bedrock, the basis that's been laid, and now they're 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.840 trying to develop it based on that bedrock. And like 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.280 you said, the next step is touch. Yeah, and if 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:25.040 we're going to talk about technology and touch, um haptic technology, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.120 which we've talked about. We've talked about this before, haven't 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.720 we in some capacity? Surely maybe it was a trans 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.760 cranial The thinking cap was that maybe I don't know, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.480 it doesn't ring a bell to me, honestly, all Right, Well, anyway, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.960 haptic technology is that that's gonna have a lot of applications. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.000 It's essentially I mean, if you're talking about uh, non 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:53.120 sexy time stuff. It ranges from uh, telesurgery like literally 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.960 a doctor being able to perform a surgery that's not 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.440 in the room, um, which could be amazing, you know, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.360 in a lifet having technology or like military training, space, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:10.000 NASA space exploration, stuff like that. But it's essentially technology 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:15.600 that uh is. It's it's wearable. I mean they talk 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.200 about gloves a lot, but it takes it can take 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.680 the form of a shirt that you wear that sends, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.240 you know, pulses of stimulation through that device, whether it's 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.080 a glove or a shirt to your body, right exactly. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.120 So it's it recreates the sensation of touch, right. Yeah. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.040 And the weird thing is when I started researching this, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.960 I was like, you know, what is touch? You take 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.960 it for granted, but um, one of the things that 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.520 they're going for is when you when you touch something, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.280 what you're really doing. Like let's say you pick up 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.000 a vase. Yes, you're you're picking it up, but as 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.160 far as your sense of touch is concerned, that vase 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.040 is exerting pressure on the inside of your hand, and 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:03.720 haptic gloves in particular are concerned with recreating that pressure 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.400 um against the inside of your hand to make it 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.720 feel like when you're looking online and you're virtually grabbing 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.440 a vase that in real life, the pressure that you 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.440 would normally be feeling is being recreated by a number 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.520 of different means. And they've got a lot of different 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.880 technologies that are competing right now in the prototype space 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.480 for coming up with this kind of haptic technology that 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.600 can recreate it. Like, there's one did you see that 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.960 thing I sent you about the haptic glove that uses ultrasound. Yeah, 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.480 that's out of the University of Sussex in uh jolly 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:43.080 old England, and it's called skin Haptics is a system 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:48.960 and yeah, he uses ultrasound pulsing, this focusing basically this 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.840 haptic feedback onto the surface of your skin so it 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.880 feels like I mean, right now, it's not just like 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.920 sexy stuff they're talking about, uh, like a like an 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.840 interface that doesn't exist in front of you, right right. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.800 So there there's a couple of different ones. One actually 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.240 uses ultrasound to disturb the air in mid air so 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.359 when you go to press a button with your finger, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.640 the ultrasound a non existent button, right exactly. Um, the 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:22.440 ultrasound creates an enough air turbulence where your fingers going 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.119 that you're you get a bit of resistance from it. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.159 You feel pressure, which is awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. This 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.440 other the other skin I think skin haptics version, actually 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:37.280 sends the the ultrasound pulse through your hand so that 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.080 you feel it from its pulsing from the back of 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.879 your hand through your hand, and then the sensation is 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.439 being felt on your palm, so it's recreating it coming 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.360 in the reverse direction. But it feels like, say you're 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.399 picking up a vase. Yeah, and now is that with 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.320 a glove or is that just the ultrasound through the air. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.840 That second one is with the gloves, So so the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.840 other one is like, say a screen that's mounted next 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.760 to an oven is using ultrasound from the screen on 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.000 the countertop to disturb the air above it in mid air. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.879 That's different. The the glove is sending it from the 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.360 back of your hand to the front of your hand. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.399 And I keep saying it's like you're grabbing a base. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.359 But really, with what we're talking about. It's they're trying 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.800 to recreate what it feels like to say, grab a boob. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.040 I mean, that's what they're doing here, right. So so 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.120 you know the connect controller for I think Microsoft came 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.800 out with it for Xbox a few years back, and 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.320 um like, within literally within a month, there was an 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.680 open source controller. It still is and within a month 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:51.600 somebody released a um like a connect porn game. Sure, right, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.879 And so if you look at the videos of this, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.760 did you see any of them, uh of the Xbox 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.320 thing or the other thing, the Xbox one, No, I 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.919 did not see that one. So it's basically the demo 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.040 is a guy like kind of feeling up a c 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:14.600 G I lady, right, okay, And and if what he's 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.000 doing is it's all visual. What they're trying to get 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.040 is with with haptic devices is that visual thing, but 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.040 then you will feel what you're seeing on screen. That's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.920 that's the next step that people are working on as 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.680 far as the Internet sex is going, Yeah, trying to 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.120 synchronize well, well we'll get to that, but yeah, trying 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.840 to synchronize these things to where you're looking at something 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.399 and if you and it just matches up the feel 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.040 and the and the visual all matches up right, So 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.560 you get the visual to begin with, that's already done. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.040 That now you have, thanks to the say VR connect, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.760 you can move your hand in this world and it 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.639 translates onto your computer the virtual world, and then that 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.879 so that's done. Then next step again is recreating the 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.240 sensation of touch from that virtual world into this world. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.040 So I thought you were talking about the um that 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:17.800 that website, the sex game website. Oh three d x chat. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.640 Did you go to that one? Yes? Holy cow? Yeah 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:28.200 warning warning, uh, very graphic website. Yeah, we're not saying 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:29.840 that to all the fourteen year olds because I think 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.760 every fourteen year old live has been there, but the 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.160 year old had not. Yeah, I hadn't either. I had 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:37.520 no idea. It was a thing. I was like, what 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.040 is that kept popping up in uh in in research, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.440 and I went and looked. I was like, no way, Yeah, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.440 it's um that is a sex game and it's you. 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.560 You're you have an avatar, but game game is uh, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.920 you're using that loosely. It's almost like second life. It's 0:20:54.920 --> 0:21:00.560 like a hangout, like virtual chat, like life based. Yeah, 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.320 like you you have a you design your your dude, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.040 to your lady, and you go into a bar and 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.840 you're hanging out, and then you take that person back 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.080 to your apartment and you have like really graphic uh 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.080 you know, animated sex. Right, but the person you're picking 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.400 up is an actual person in real life as well. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.600 It's their avatar. It's not like you know, you're you're 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.120 picking up a sim or something. Right. So, and that's 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:29.800 that's apparently like really big right now. A year that's 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.720 what it cost. Yeah, you get to that's a weird number, man, 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.000 I know, and it's not even ninety two. I rounded up. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:41.320 It's like, I don't I don't know. They found that 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.840 was a tipping point. Yeah, exactly, No, they won't pay 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.080 ninety nine. They'll pay. We pulled a few perverts in 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.440 our town and they said a hundred dollars, no way. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.040 But they got confused around the marks. So that we 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.000 want that, so, Chuck, we we were largely talking about 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.520 with Haptick devices, um the love it's not just the glove. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.720 That's a that's a big first step, but ultimately the 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.320 goal is going to be a basically a haptic full 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:12.080 body suit to where this the pressure, incense and warmth 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.560 and everything that has to do with touch is recreated 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.480 all over your body because your hands are great, but 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.520 you know, there's still just your hands. As far as 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.560 internet sex is concerned, that that full body haptic suit 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.400 is going to be the holy Grail, and apparently it's 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.359 not that far off. There's a a guy who founded, 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:37.960 um a company called Shadow Robot Company. Uh that sounds creepy. Well, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:43.320 actually they make anthropomorphic robot hands for um like people 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.840 who have had a limb ampitated. It's like a legit 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:51.760 robot um company that he just happened to be quoted right. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.240 His name was Richard Greenhill, and he said that, um, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.080 I think it was last year in an article he 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.000 said that hap full body haptic suits are just a 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.800 few years away. Probably Yeah, that'll be huge. But in 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.960 the meantime, there's been these baby steps that have been 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.159 taken over the years. And one of the first I 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.679 guess kind of prototypes of a haptic suit was a 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:17.320 haptic shirt called the hug Shirt. Yeah, I don't. I looked. 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.800 I went to their website and I didn't see I 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.679 mean it said by it now, So I kept on 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:23.840 it to see how much it was and then it 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.240 didn't come up so I don't know if it's not 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.240 at market yet, but the idea is is it's a 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.600 shirt and this is the you know, the most g 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.560 rated part of this show, because it's a shirt that 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.760 simulates a hug, yeah, which is pretty sweet. Company UK 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.920 company called Cute Circuit and I think they came out 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:43.800 with it back in like two thousand one or two, 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.720 and they I think they released them for sale in 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.600 like two thousand five or six or something like that. 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:53.920 But basically, you are wearing your, um, your hug shirt. 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.879 You're connected to the internet via the hug Shirt app, 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:03.840 and then you're you're, UM, your lover, your lover. Man, 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.760 I was gonna say a little sweetie was on the 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.120 other end, but lovers fine, um, and they're wearing their 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.480 hug shirt connected to the app. So when you simulate 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.480 a hug, right, you hug yourself wearing the hug shirt, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:25.359 it transmits that hug to your right and they feel 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.480 the sensation of the hug you just sent transmitted through 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.280 their hug shirt. It's pretty it's awfully sweet. Yeah. I 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.000 wanted to I want to know what this feels like, 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.480 you know, I wanted to sample one. Yeah, well, I 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.200 mean We're on a pretty great streak of not doing 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.359 the stuff that we're talking about, So why start now? 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.040 You know? Well I couldn't, you know, I tried to 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.520 buy one, but I didn't see where you could. Did 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.680 you see a very nice man named Don Kent who 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.600 gave us plenty of the Elder before sent us a 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:57.639