Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works
Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,
Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there. Sex sex
Speaker 1: sex sex sex sex sex x sex sex x x
Speaker 1: sex sex x sex. I was gonna say we should
Speaker 1: do a C O A, but maybe that qualifies. I
Speaker 1: think so too. Uh, parents, this is going to be
Speaker 1: a show that you may I want your kids to
Speaker 1: listen to. We'll just didn't say that. Yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: some adult business, that's right. Yeah, freaky stuff. Goodness, how
Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing good. I still have a little
Speaker 1: bit of the the nose juice for the most part.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good. My energy is up. You dude, I
Speaker 1: have to show you next time I blow my nose,
Speaker 1: I have to show you. This looks like it's it's
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no no. It's like Cheetos colored
Speaker 1: and intensity. I I've never seen anything like it before,
Speaker 1: and it's coming out of my head. That's weird, orange
Speaker 1: orange yellow day glow. Well, I might as well talk
Speaker 1: about my sickness. Yeah, how are you feeling well? I
Speaker 1: had as you know, um and as you also even further, No,
Speaker 1: about once a year I get a stomach flu. Even
Speaker 1: though I think I took last year off, I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever got it last year. I don't think
Speaker 1: you did either. But uh so, my daughter waits eighteen
Speaker 1: full months before she throws up for the first time,
Speaker 1: which is a nice run, and she comes in the
Speaker 1: kitchen the other she's like Jerry Seinfeld had really long
Speaker 1: run too. She comes in the kitchen and just projectile
Speaker 1: vomits all over the place out of nowhere, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, isn't feeling well and has some like uh
Speaker 1: some some diarrhya going on. Why this show was really
Speaker 1: getting off to a gross start. But two days after that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm invincible, Like I've I've avoided this. That's
Speaker 1: a bad thing, I think. I hope you didn't say
Speaker 1: it out loud. I think I might have. And then
Speaker 1: a two days ago at four pm, it's like, I
Speaker 1: feel a little weird. Five minutes later I was throwing up.
Speaker 1: And then six hours after me, it hit Emily. So
Speaker 1: she was able to at least care for our child
Speaker 1: until she went to bed, and then she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling so good either, And then my mom
Speaker 1: thankfully came through and uh and took our child from
Speaker 1: the sick house, and then Emily and I literally all
Speaker 1: night long, we each had a bathroom at our disposal,
Speaker 1: and it was just like every thirty minutes, somebody in
Speaker 1: the house was like, man, it was really bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just it was one of those things where
Speaker 1: we pulled the curtains. We were just like, I didn't
Speaker 1: even want to look at each other. It was just gross.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm you know, it's a twenty four hour
Speaker 1: thing generally, And yeah, you said you told Jerry that
Speaker 1: it was like twenty four hours to the minute. Uh,
Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean I started feeling better at about
Speaker 1: four or five yesterday. But I'm just just weak, you know, man,
Speaker 1: Like it just takes a lot out of you. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, of you know, I'm not big on
Speaker 1: the ad workout, but I feel like, I know, you
Speaker 1: look ripped. Oh dude, I might have Like I feel
Speaker 1: like I really might have pulled muscles in my rib
Speaker 1: cage from wretching. It's funny, all right, So no one
Speaker 1: else is listening anymore. No, let's talk about virtual sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we chased everyone off. This is a good plan. Hats
Speaker 1: off to you, so chuck. Yes, people invented the Internet,
Speaker 1: and within about I don't know, eight or nine seconds,
Speaker 1: there was a porn side up right, probably yeah, and
Speaker 1: since then apparently, um, it's it's been largely overstated. But
Speaker 1: but most people associate the Internet, at least in part
Speaker 1: with photography. Really, Oh you're kidding, Well, what do you
Speaker 1: mean associate? Like like when when you think of the Internet,
Speaker 1: you think, well, that's a vast repository of pornography. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the case. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people do. Okay, Um, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: pornography on the Internet, and in fact, the Internet has
Speaker 1: helped just foster pornography into you know, by by by
Speaker 1: light speed. It's just virgin right. But it turns out, um,
Speaker 1: apparently one study I saw in two thousand and eleven
Speaker 1: estimated that only one point five percent of all web
Speaker 1: pages are sexual sex based one. Well, that was really
Speaker 1: surprised to hear that. Yeah, but I mean that's just
Speaker 1: a numbers game. Sure, I mean there's there are literally
Speaker 1: millions of porn sites. But doesn't that doesn't that seem
Speaker 1: low though? Even even considering the point is people still
Speaker 1: all do like sex and pornography, and they like the Internet.
Speaker 1: And when it when the thing when they were put together,
Speaker 1: everything just blew up. Like apparently now the the Internet
Speaker 1: porn industry alone globally is worth something like forty to
Speaker 1: fifty billion dollars. I saw that in a two article
Speaker 1: in the Economist. That's a ton of cash. Man. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's how much like the Disney company is worth. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna like that. Their name is you know, I
Speaker 1: just pulled that out of the air. Yeah, good choice. Um.
Speaker 1: But one of the things, like I said, when when
Speaker 1: the Internet um further pornography, it hasn't stopped, it hasn't plateaued.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh great, here's a here's a website that's
Speaker 1: got porn on it. We've achieved peak Internet pornography. Like that,
Speaker 1: some of the most um innovative thoughts to developing the
Speaker 1: Internet further has been based on pornography. Yeah, just when
Speaker 1: you think they've covered it all, somebody's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: like to, uh take a Christmas ham and carve out
Speaker 1: a hole and put your foot in it. We got
Speaker 1: a website for that, your foot called hamfoot dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you better hurry up to trademark that before
Speaker 1: we released this episode. And by the way, when you
Speaker 1: this article was written by Robert lamb our own uh
Speaker 1: colleague here of stuff to blow your mind when you
Speaker 1: read it, did you like, how did you feel just
Speaker 1: hearing it in Robert's voice? In my head? I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's something with it. I just wanted to take
Speaker 1: a shower. Like if Robert, if he typed the word
Speaker 1: lovers like one more time, I was I was literally
Speaker 1: just I don't I've never liked that word with you,
Speaker 1: and especially not coming from Robert like him. And I
Speaker 1: think he used the word lovers in here like six times,
Speaker 1: like you know, he was wearing a silk robe and
Speaker 1: he wrote this. Yeah, I can't imagine how much like
Speaker 1: graphics stuff got edited out from his first chap uh.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about the future of simulated virtual sex,
Speaker 1: not necessarily robot sex um because that's a different thing.
Speaker 1: And we actually we did a whole episode on that, remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was called like will we Marry Robots?
Speaker 1: Because we were trying to be above the board. But
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about that, but that that's not
Speaker 1: what this episode is about now. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit more about UM using technology to either simulate sex
Speaker 1: or two and I found out in a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: and we'll go through it as we talk about some
Speaker 1: of these specific things. A lot of them seem geared
Speaker 1: towards UH or at least they're marketed as like, hey,
Speaker 1: are you in a long distance relationship? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we can help bring you closer by sort of synchronizing
Speaker 1: UM phone sex in a way, like just a super
Speaker 1: advanced form of phone sex, right right. And that's definitely
Speaker 1: like the the genteel way of putting it, because I
Speaker 1: think probably more to the point, it's hey, do you, um,
Speaker 1: i'd like to have internet sex with people you don't know? Well,
Speaker 1: have we got some technology coming down the pike for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they don't say, hey, are you super lonely and
Speaker 1: like and you know, it's easy to laugh about, like
Speaker 1: the lonely dude in his house, but there there are
Speaker 1: you know, they're genuine phobias, and like, this could be
Speaker 1: a benefit to people who who aren't, like literally aren't
Speaker 1: able to certain conditions to go out and have real sex.
Speaker 1: You know, sure about that, but it's it's a real
Speaker 1: it could be proved to be a real benefit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: holders are gonna love this stuff. The the other thing
Speaker 1: that that almost sounds like what you just said was
Speaker 1: like a mid term goal of UM, of the future
Speaker 1: of internet based sex, right, But ultimately from everything I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal, or maybe not even goal, but what
Speaker 1: will probably prove to be the ultimate reality is um
Speaker 1: that sex will be so improved and and perfectly refined
Speaker 1: by science and technology that we we will end up
Speaker 1: preferring it and and I mean, like the normal average
Speaker 1: human will end up preferring simulated sex over the actual
Speaker 1: real thing. I don't know, man, I mean that's a uh,
Speaker 1: that's that sounds like one of those things that that
Speaker 1: people in fifty years will look back and be like,
Speaker 1: what idiots, you know, they got that really wrong. But
Speaker 1: it also seems like, I don't know, people like, uh,
Speaker 1: people like good sex, you know. Yeah, but it's like
Speaker 1: simulated sex is to real sex as soilent is to food.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's so I guess we can talk about
Speaker 1: it now. Um, there's the basis of it. Is not
Speaker 1: like everybody just going to be um these uh just
Speaker 1: completely what's the word I'm looking for? Just this crazy
Speaker 1: promiscuous people all just having anonymous internet sex with people
Speaker 1: all over the internet. That will that will probably be
Speaker 1: a very real possibility. Um, I mean it already is,
Speaker 1: but this actual virtual like convincingly simulated sex um will
Speaker 1: eventually be a possibility. What I've seen that will be
Speaker 1: more likely is that people will be in monogamous relationships
Speaker 1: like they are now, but rather than doing it, you
Speaker 1: will go with your like your separate rooms and do
Speaker 1: it remotely using the simulations, right, or it potentially could
Speaker 1: be a way too, maybe relieve the uh, the incland
Speaker 1: nation to step out on your husband or wife, yeah,
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I'm not gonna cheat on you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, it's just a very technologically advanced
Speaker 1: form of masturbation. Sure, But that also, like I can
Speaker 1: definitely see couples where say, like, you know, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's great, go get your rocks off with the computer lady.
Speaker 1: But I also see like, no, no, no, that's not
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah, and I think that's already an issue now,
Speaker 1: Like you know, are you sure with porn sites or
Speaker 1: porn sites or webcam people like whatever, But when you
Speaker 1: when you add this element and This is ultimately what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Chuck, is the progression toward adding actual
Speaker 1: physical sensation too to internet sex. Um that this it
Speaker 1: just opens up the whole idea of cheating like even further,
Speaker 1: you know, like you wouldn't have to use your imagination
Speaker 1: any longer because your body is being physically manipulated to
Speaker 1: to recreate the sensations of having sex in real life.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should take a break. I think
Speaker 1: so too. I think we really set this one up
Speaker 1: so high that we can't possibly deliver from now on.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's take a break and uh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go have a talk with Robert Lamb and we'll
Speaker 1: be back right after this. All right. So Robert Lamb
Speaker 1: points out that every lover's embrace is essentially since data.
Speaker 1: And that's true. It's um, you know, it's touch, smell, uh, sound,
Speaker 1: it's it's like all the sensory data that we get
Speaker 1: from you know, eating an apple or something is the
Speaker 1: same with sex the sexy times. But he asked a
Speaker 1: very pertinent question here, and that's kind of what we're
Speaker 1: after is how far can you go to digitize and
Speaker 1: transmit that information? And uh, touch is probably the best
Speaker 1: the obvious starting point, right exactly, because if you step
Speaker 1: back and you look at the the landscape of internet
Speaker 1: sexuality today, right, it's all all of it is visual,
Speaker 1: the entire thing. I mean there's audio too, so it
Speaker 1: is um oral and visual. And I mean the au
Speaker 1: are a l um Now. I had a joke I
Speaker 1: had to really fight to not say out loud, well
Speaker 1: email it to me, okay, um. But so basically, the
Speaker 1: the current state of internet sex uses your eyes and
Speaker 1: your ears, and that's it, right, yeah, And everything that
Speaker 1: we have is based on that, and there's but that's
Speaker 1: that's not to say that that's not going to play
Speaker 1: a part in the future of sex. It's just that's
Speaker 1: the bedrock, the basis that's been laid, and now they're
Speaker 1: trying to develop it based on that bedrock. And like
Speaker 1: you said, the next step is touch. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about technology and touch, um haptic technology,
Speaker 1: which we've talked about. We've talked about this before, haven't
Speaker 1: we in some capacity? Surely maybe it was a trans
Speaker 1: cranial The thinking cap was that maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't ring a bell to me, honestly, all Right, Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: haptic technology is that that's gonna have a lot of applications.
Speaker 1: It's essentially I mean, if you're talking about uh, non
Speaker 1: sexy time stuff. It ranges from uh, telesurgery like literally
Speaker 1: a doctor being able to perform a surgery that's not
Speaker 1: in the room, um, which could be amazing, you know,
Speaker 1: in a lifet having technology or like military training, space,
Speaker 1: NASA space exploration, stuff like that. But it's essentially technology
Speaker 1: that uh is. It's it's wearable. I mean they talk
Speaker 1: about gloves a lot, but it takes it can take
Speaker 1: the form of a shirt that you wear that sends,
Speaker 1: you know, pulses of stimulation through that device, whether it's
Speaker 1: a glove or a shirt to your body, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's it recreates the sensation of touch, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the weird thing is when I started researching this,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what is touch? You take
Speaker 1: it for granted, but um, one of the things that
Speaker 1: they're going for is when you when you touch something,
Speaker 1: what you're really doing. Like let's say you pick up
Speaker 1: a vase. Yes, you're you're picking it up, but as
Speaker 1: far as your sense of touch is concerned, that vase
Speaker 1: is exerting pressure on the inside of your hand, and
Speaker 1: haptic gloves in particular are concerned with recreating that pressure
Speaker 1: um against the inside of your hand to make it
Speaker 1: feel like when you're looking online and you're virtually grabbing
Speaker 1: a vase that in real life, the pressure that you
Speaker 1: would normally be feeling is being recreated by a number
Speaker 1: of different means. And they've got a lot of different
Speaker 1: technologies that are competing right now in the prototype space
Speaker 1: for coming up with this kind of haptic technology that
Speaker 1: can recreate it. Like, there's one did you see that
Speaker 1: thing I sent you about the haptic glove that uses ultrasound. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's out of the University of Sussex in uh jolly
Speaker 1: old England, and it's called skin Haptics is a system
Speaker 1: and yeah, he uses ultrasound pulsing, this focusing basically this
Speaker 1: haptic feedback onto the surface of your skin so it
Speaker 1: feels like I mean, right now, it's not just like
Speaker 1: sexy stuff they're talking about, uh, like a like an
Speaker 1: interface that doesn't exist in front of you, right right.
Speaker 1: So there there's a couple of different ones. One actually
Speaker 1: uses ultrasound to disturb the air in mid air so
Speaker 1: when you go to press a button with your finger,
Speaker 1: the ultrasound a non existent button, right exactly. Um, the
Speaker 1: ultrasound creates an enough air turbulence where your fingers going
Speaker 1: that you're you get a bit of resistance from it.
Speaker 1: You feel pressure, which is awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. This
Speaker 1: other the other skin I think skin haptics version, actually
Speaker 1: sends the the ultrasound pulse through your hand so that
Speaker 1: you feel it from its pulsing from the back of
Speaker 1: your hand through your hand, and then the sensation is
Speaker 1: being felt on your palm, so it's recreating it coming
Speaker 1: in the reverse direction. But it feels like, say you're
Speaker 1: picking up a vase. Yeah, and now is that with
Speaker 1: a glove or is that just the ultrasound through the air.
Speaker 1: That second one is with the gloves, So so the
Speaker 1: other one is like, say a screen that's mounted next
Speaker 1: to an oven is using ultrasound from the screen on
Speaker 1: the countertop to disturb the air above it in mid air.
Speaker 1: That's different. The the glove is sending it from the
Speaker 1: back of your hand to the front of your hand.
Speaker 1: And I keep saying it's like you're grabbing a base.
Speaker 1: But really, with what we're talking about. It's they're trying
Speaker 1: to recreate what it feels like to say, grab a boob.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they're doing here, right. So so
Speaker 1: you know the connect controller for I think Microsoft came
Speaker 1: out with it for Xbox a few years back, and
Speaker 1: um like, within literally within a month, there was an
Speaker 1: open source controller. It still is and within a month
Speaker 1: somebody released a um like a connect porn game. Sure, right,
Speaker 1: And so if you look at the videos of this,
Speaker 1: did you see any of them, uh of the Xbox
Speaker 1: thing or the other thing, the Xbox one, No, I
Speaker 1: did not see that one. So it's basically the demo
Speaker 1: is a guy like kind of feeling up a c
Speaker 1: G I lady, right, okay, And and if what he's
Speaker 1: doing is it's all visual. What they're trying to get
Speaker 1: is with with haptic devices is that visual thing, but
Speaker 1: then you will feel what you're seeing on screen. That's
Speaker 1: that's the next step that people are working on as
Speaker 1: far as the Internet sex is going, Yeah, trying to
Speaker 1: synchronize well, well we'll get to that, but yeah, trying
Speaker 1: to synchronize these things to where you're looking at something
Speaker 1: and if you and it just matches up the feel
Speaker 1: and the and the visual all matches up right, So
Speaker 1: you get the visual to begin with, that's already done.
Speaker 1: That now you have, thanks to the say VR connect,
Speaker 1: you can move your hand in this world and it
Speaker 1: translates onto your computer the virtual world, and then that
Speaker 1: so that's done. Then next step again is recreating the
Speaker 1: sensation of touch from that virtual world into this world.
Speaker 1: So I thought you were talking about the um that
Speaker 1: that website, the sex game website. Oh three d x chat.
Speaker 1: Did you go to that one? Yes? Holy cow? Yeah
Speaker 1: warning warning, uh, very graphic website. Yeah, we're not saying
Speaker 1: that to all the fourteen year olds because I think
Speaker 1: every fourteen year old live has been there, but the
Speaker 1: year old had not. Yeah, I hadn't either. I had
Speaker 1: no idea. It was a thing. I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that kept popping up in uh in in research,
Speaker 1: and I went and looked. I was like, no way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um that is a sex game and it's you.
Speaker 1: You're you have an avatar, but game game is uh,
Speaker 1: you're using that loosely. It's almost like second life. It's
Speaker 1: like a hangout, like virtual chat, like life based. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you you have a you design your your dude,
Speaker 1: to your lady, and you go into a bar and
Speaker 1: you're hanging out, and then you take that person back
Speaker 1: to your apartment and you have like really graphic uh
Speaker 1: you know, animated sex. Right, but the person you're picking
Speaker 1: up is an actual person in real life as well.
Speaker 1: It's their avatar. It's not like you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: picking up a sim or something. Right. So, and that's
Speaker 1: that's apparently like really big right now. A year that's
Speaker 1: what it cost. Yeah, you get to that's a weird number, man,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's not even ninety two. I rounded up.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't I don't know. They found that
Speaker 1: was a tipping point. Yeah, exactly, No, they won't pay
Speaker 1: ninety nine. They'll pay. We pulled a few perverts in
Speaker 1: our town and they said a hundred dollars, no way.
Speaker 1: But they got confused around the marks. So that we
Speaker 1: want that, so, Chuck, we we were largely talking about
Speaker 1: with Haptick devices, um the love it's not just the glove.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a big first step, but ultimately the
Speaker 1: goal is going to be a basically a haptic full
Speaker 1: body suit to where this the pressure, incense and warmth
Speaker 1: and everything that has to do with touch is recreated
Speaker 1: all over your body because your hands are great, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's still just your hands. As far as
Speaker 1: internet sex is concerned, that that full body haptic suit
Speaker 1: is going to be the holy Grail, and apparently it's
Speaker 1: not that far off. There's a a guy who founded,
Speaker 1: um a company called Shadow Robot Company. Uh that sounds creepy. Well,
Speaker 1: actually they make anthropomorphic robot hands for um like people
Speaker 1: who have had a limb ampitated. It's like a legit
Speaker 1: robot um company that he just happened to be quoted right.
Speaker 1: His name was Richard Greenhill, and he said that, um,
Speaker 1: I think it was last year in an article he
Speaker 1: said that hap full body haptic suits are just a
Speaker 1: few years away. Probably Yeah, that'll be huge. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, there's been these baby steps that have been
Speaker 1: taken over the years. And one of the first I
Speaker 1: guess kind of prototypes of a haptic suit was a
Speaker 1: haptic shirt called the hug Shirt. Yeah, I don't. I looked.
Speaker 1: I went to their website and I didn't see I
Speaker 1: mean it said by it now, So I kept on
Speaker 1: it to see how much it was and then it
Speaker 1: didn't come up so I don't know if it's not
Speaker 1: at market yet, but the idea is is it's a
Speaker 1: shirt and this is the you know, the most g
Speaker 1: rated part of this show, because it's a shirt that
Speaker 1: simulates a hug, yeah, which is pretty sweet. Company UK
Speaker 1: company called Cute Circuit and I think they came out
Speaker 1: with it back in like two thousand one or two,
Speaker 1: and they I think they released them for sale in
Speaker 1: like two thousand five or six or something like that.
Speaker 1: But basically, you are wearing your, um, your hug shirt.
Speaker 1: You're connected to the internet via the hug Shirt app,
Speaker 1: and then you're you're, UM, your lover, your lover. Man,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say a little sweetie was on the
Speaker 1: other end, but lovers fine, um, and they're wearing their
Speaker 1: hug shirt connected to the app. So when you simulate
Speaker 1: a hug, right, you hug yourself wearing the hug shirt,
Speaker 1: it transmits that hug to your right and they feel
Speaker 1: the sensation of the hug you just sent transmitted through
Speaker 1: their hug shirt. It's pretty it's awfully sweet. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: wanted to I want to know what this feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to sample one. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean We're on a pretty great streak of not doing
Speaker 1: the stuff that we're talking about, So why start now?
Speaker 1: You know? Well I couldn't, you know, I tried to
Speaker 1: buy one, but I didn't see where you could. Did
Speaker 1: you see a very nice man named Don Kent who
Speaker 1: gave us plenty of the Elder before sent us a
Speaker 1: box of soiling? Oh wonderful. Yeah, well, let's try it
Speaker 1: on air. Okay, okay, Oh man, that's a eight idea.
Speaker 1: We'll have to set it up in another episode just
Speaker 1: so that it has all the proper introductions. We'll just
Speaker 1: say this so that everybody can get really excited about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited already. Uh. So the other simulator that um
Speaker 1: is in prototype mode. There's something called the Kiss Transmitter
Speaker 1: from Kajumoto Laboratory at Tokyo's University of electro Communications, and um,
Speaker 1: did you see this thing? Yeah? I was very much
Speaker 1: turned off by that. Yeah, it's at least right now
Speaker 1: unless the prototype has advanced. It's supposed to simulate French kissing.
Speaker 1: But it was a box. Uh and it looked like
Speaker 1: a bent drinking straw that just went around in a circle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they showed some poor undergrad who is having to
Speaker 1: demonstrate it, and they were doing close ups of his
Speaker 1: mouth and this thing swirling around with It's not pleasant
Speaker 1: at all, No UM, but the Kissinger, well hold on
Speaker 1: with just with the with the the kiss transmitter. I
Speaker 1: think the idea is eventually that that um straw will
Speaker 1: be a tongue, which would makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: But the trick to this is it doesn't just spin
Speaker 1: in a circle. What it does is it uh, it
Speaker 1: works with you like when you are moving your tongue around,
Speaker 1: it is reciprocating in likewise fashion. So it's not just
Speaker 1: willie Nilly spinning around in a circle. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: smarter than that. Yeah. So there was this other thing
Speaker 1: called the Kissinger. I did see that that was really creepy.
Speaker 1: So that one, this one makes a lot more sense
Speaker 1: to me. It's it's actually the PhD project of Emma
Speaker 1: yan Zang out of the City University of London and
Speaker 1: UM this thing. It was originally a box that connected
Speaker 1: via USB to your laptop that you kissed and it
Speaker 1: had like kind of almost cartoonish lips attached to it
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then the newer prototype is this UM
Speaker 1: this thing that you connect to, say your iPhone, and
Speaker 1: so it's it's connected to the web through an app.
Speaker 1: And when it's got this, I guess the mouth interface
Speaker 1: is just this um, this pad almost a touchpad area
Speaker 1: that you kiss, right, yes, And as you're kissing it,
Speaker 1: it is taking in the movement and pressure of your lips,
Speaker 1: sending it through the app to your lover yeah um
Speaker 1: on the other end, and recreates the kiss to them.
Speaker 1: But what's cool is it's bidirectional, so while they're kissing
Speaker 1: you back, you're receiving their kiss. Yeah. What's the disturbing
Speaker 1: part to me is is that it comes in the
Speaker 1: form of like a little round bunny rabbit. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't see it. Oh that was the first version. Oh,
Speaker 1: the second version is conversion. The second version is much
Speaker 1: less like they basically threw out any attempt to make
Speaker 1: it look like a mouth. It just it funk sans
Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't look like it because I think
Speaker 1: they probably you were probably in the majority of people
Speaker 1: who are like, I'm not kissing that thing. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a little it looked like a
Speaker 1: little round like Ferby toy with a big set of lips.
Speaker 1: On it. Yeah, And the other disturbing part was you
Speaker 1: had to hold it down because it was constantly trying
Speaker 1: to get away, which it was like, why did you
Speaker 1: make that design choice? That's very creepy. Yeah, so we'll
Speaker 1: get to really creepy stuff later too. By the way, well,
Speaker 1: are you talking about tell a del donis. I think
Speaker 1: we should take a break before we talk about that
Speaker 1: about tell adul donis. Let's take a break alright, We're
Speaker 1: back to talk about telldil donics. It's funny, like I
Speaker 1: can't say lover, but I have no problem saying telldul donics. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So of course they called it that. It needs some
Speaker 1: like nineties club like background beat with like telldulics. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see if Noah whip us up one. Alright,
Speaker 1: So tell adul Donix is the development of automated sex
Speaker 1: toys controlled by either a program or remote user. Right,
Speaker 1: so technically, if kissing it could be construed as sex,
Speaker 1: the kissinger is a form of teleodul donis. Yes, and
Speaker 1: the basis of telldul donics as you have some sort
Speaker 1: of um uh sex toy, I guess it's a good
Speaker 1: way to put it. That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1: And that sex toy is connected to the internet. Um
Speaker 1: and like you said, it can be controlled by somebody
Speaker 1: else on the other end, or a program or like
Speaker 1: a video that's um pre programmed to interact with your
Speaker 1: sex toy. Right. Um, the both of those are are
Speaker 1: gonna be huge, But it seems like the it seems
Speaker 1: like the progression is more toward remote sex. Right. So
Speaker 1: the upshot of it is that you have two separate
Speaker 1: sex toys, um with some distance between them, connected to
Speaker 1: the Internet, and the people manipulating them on either side
Speaker 1: are receiving the sense information, the tactile information from the
Speaker 1: other's sex toy into their sex toy and is responding
Speaker 1: to it in kind. How is that? Uh, that's a
Speaker 1: good you navigated those waters. Thank you. If it sounds
Speaker 1: like the word itself sounds like something from the seventies,
Speaker 1: it's because it is. Um. It was coined in nine
Speaker 1: by a guy named Ted Nelson. Uh. And he was
Speaker 1: talking about you know, future where you have remote sex
Speaker 1: with those those real feelings of touch transmitted through computers. Um.
Speaker 1: So he was really kind of ahead of the game there. Um.
Speaker 1: And one thing they compare it to uh, it's also
Speaker 1: cyber del Donis or telesildnix Um. One kind of non
Speaker 1: sexy thing that they will liken it too is the
Speaker 1: the vibrating uh video game controller rumble pack. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean they all have it now, and it's if
Speaker 1: you play video games, that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: You know, it really adds. It adds a lot to
Speaker 1: the game played. Um when you feel like the rumble
Speaker 1: of like a car crash or an explosion or something,
Speaker 1: and you know it's kind of subtle, but it's just
Speaker 1: such a part of gaming now. If it went away,
Speaker 1: people would be like, you know, what's what's going on?
Speaker 1: It's not nearly as good, right, Okay, So now imagine that,
Speaker 1: like your controller rumbling a little bit, and the effect
Speaker 1: that that has on you if you if you think
Speaker 1: about it, like especially with the N sixty four rumble pack,
Speaker 1: the first one I believe, which is haptic technology, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when that came out. It was pretty awesome,
Speaker 1: and it was awesome, but if you think about it,
Speaker 1: basically your controller just shook and it didn't necessarily faithfully
Speaker 1: recreate whatever it was supposed to be recreating, but that
Speaker 1: that extra sense that was being manipulated caused your brain
Speaker 1: to just go wild. Your imagination just ran wild, and
Speaker 1: it really enhanced it, like you said, right, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better too. But how they do it? Now?
Speaker 1: Imagine you take that out of your controller and out
Speaker 1: of your hands and apply it to say, your sex toy, right,
Speaker 1: and now you're developing sex toys that have an amazing
Speaker 1: degree of precision in recreating temperature, moisture, level, um pressure, attention, torque, horsepower,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Right, So you've got so the sex
Speaker 1: toys are advancing, and then their ability, their bi directional
Speaker 1: ability to receive information and transmit information to another sex toy,
Speaker 1: which is then capable of recreating and then sending its
Speaker 1: own information, means that you can have virtual sex across
Speaker 1: the internet using sex toys and experiencing a real techtile
Speaker 1: sensation from it. Yeah, and these are the ones where
Speaker 1: mostly I saw that they were trying to target, uh,
Speaker 1: couples that are in long distance relationships or when you're
Speaker 1: away from each other for business travel or whatever that
Speaker 1: you can you can sink up your sex toys in
Speaker 1: real time, so the things that you're doing are being
Speaker 1: felt on the other end exactly But a good example
Speaker 1: of this is the love Pals, which if you're a
Speaker 1: sex toy manufacturer, step up the names, shall we. Oh
Speaker 1: it's always been that way. Love Pals with the z
Speaker 1: um Yeah, of course. But they came up with a
Speaker 1: pair of um sexy choice called Zeus and Hera and
Speaker 1: and they're exactly what we're describing, and from what I
Speaker 1: can gather, they're basically the cutting edge of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I looked up there were they list a
Speaker 1: few in this article Real Touch from two thousand nine
Speaker 1: seems like it completely went away. There was one in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven called love Lovins, not with a z
Speaker 1: surprisingly Um, and they had the Iman and the Eye Lady,
Speaker 1: and that I look that up. They had Max and
Speaker 1: Nora which were there. It was a male master bader
Speaker 1: which is a machine that does it for you, and
Speaker 1: a female stimulator and they named them Max and Nora.
Speaker 1: Is very cute and they worked through bluetooth in their
Speaker 1: phone app. But um, the last I saw was there
Speaker 1: was an indie Go go from a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago that was half funded and posed. So the only
Speaker 1: one that I've seen that has really and I don't
Speaker 1: know about taken off because I don't know they're sales,
Speaker 1: but it seems like it's a legit thing that's out there.
Speaker 1: Is the love Pals, Well did you look up the winds?
Speaker 1: So we got that article from the website of a
Speaker 1: company called kirou k I I R O O. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they have their own thing going. That's actually what
Speaker 1: um doing well too. The onyx, yeah, the onyx and
Speaker 1: the pearl, yes, yeah. And the onyx is the male
Speaker 1: uh buddy, right, and the pearl is the female buddy yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: And these things look like you know that the right
Speaker 1: out of the Apple Store. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw pictures, but they're obviously trying to make them like
Speaker 1: take them out of the back rooms of Spencer Gifts
Speaker 1: and bring them to the forefront of Like, look at
Speaker 1: this thing. It looks like you're you know, it looks
Speaker 1: like any any Apple device you would find. It's exactly.
Speaker 1: It's futuristic looking. Uh. You can put it in your dishwasher,
Speaker 1: you can leave it on your coffee table and your
Speaker 1: parents could come over. They'll have no idea exactly, doesn't
Speaker 1: have any weird spikes or nubs. Right, You don't get
Speaker 1: like a free trial of um, you know, simulated pot
Speaker 1: with it. What's that stuff called? I have no idea,
Speaker 1: you know, like simulated like um fake pot that you
Speaker 1: could buy it a head shop. Oh yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. I can't remember. It's
Speaker 1: called spice. Yes, spice. You get a little baggy of
Speaker 1: spice for free with it. They're like, we simulate everything,
Speaker 1: all right. So we're joking around a lot. But um,
Speaker 1: there's a man named Dr Stewart Milloy and he created
Speaker 1: something called the Orgasmatron and again that's kind of a
Speaker 1: goofy name, but he created in two thousand eight, and
Speaker 1: this one actually sends an electrical pulse through the nerves
Speaker 1: of the spinal cord and basically the idea is it
Speaker 1: could potentially help women who either cannot or last the
Speaker 1: ability to experience and orgasm to regain that with this device. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Yeah. Well he named I should
Speaker 1: say he named the after the the machine and Woody
Speaker 1: Allen Sleeper nine three, right, But apparently he stumbled upon
Speaker 1: this idea because he is a pain doctor. But he
Speaker 1: uses um electrodes in the brain to to cut down
Speaker 1: on pain and chronic pain patients and he was working
Speaker 1: on one woman um and apparently during the procedure, so
Speaker 1: he knows where the electrodes should go. The patient has
Speaker 1: to be conscious, so they just give you a local
Speaker 1: anesthetic and take off the top of your head and
Speaker 1: then he gets in there and fiddles around. It's like
Speaker 1: hell Raiser basically right. And as he was doing it,
Speaker 1: he hit the spot and he said that the um.
Speaker 1: The patient began to quote exclaim in fat emphatically and
Speaker 1: he stops him. He's like, what's going on, what's what
Speaker 1: are you experiencing? And she's like, you need to teach
Speaker 1: my husband how to do that, and he's like, huh.
Speaker 1: People would love this. But I was reading Chuck the
Speaker 1: Scientific you no New Scientist article on it, and they
Speaker 1: said that his orgasmatron received a limp reception from the
Speaker 1: scientific community. They're better than that, they said, limp reception.
Speaker 1: They're better than that. Apparently not. So we we've covered touch.
Speaker 1: Touch isn't going to be a very important one pretty soon.
Speaker 1: There's this thing called the Illusion VR body Suit, and
Speaker 1: it's basically a hack together version of what will ultimately
Speaker 1: be what everybody's wearing in the future, which is a
Speaker 1: full haptic body suit with VR, which is really important.
Speaker 1: Next step as well, UM pornography combined with some sort
Speaker 1: of UM sex toy that works automatically. Yes, yeah, so
Speaker 1: the idea, I mean, you've heard of Oculus off the
Speaker 1: you know, probably the most advanced VR system going now,
Speaker 1: at least as far as I know. I'm not up
Speaker 1: to date on the latest with that stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be great. So you know, you're talking about
Speaker 1: a future where you, I guess sound is covered that
Speaker 1: with the invention of headphones, it's kind of all you
Speaker 1: need there, but throw on the headphones, throw on the
Speaker 1: Oculus rift uh, strap into your teledul donic system, and
Speaker 1: you could you know, the range of things that can
Speaker 1: happen there are either just long distance sex with your
Speaker 1: lover or potentially weird things like, hey, do you want
Speaker 1: to have sex with uh Jennifer Lopez, Well, we've got
Speaker 1: a program you can pay for and do that, and
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez is really mad, Well yeah, you know, or
Speaker 1: or UM I think another another potential that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are worried about from this is is UM
Speaker 1: VR especially gets more and more realistic. Are people just
Speaker 1: acting out there just darkest darkest fantasies, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of UM. There's a lot of debate right now
Speaker 1: over ethically, morally and legally how acceptable that is. You know.
Speaker 1: So one of the big discussions about UM internet pornography
Speaker 1: right now is as we're reaching this ability to UM
Speaker 1: pretty accurately simulate, although a lot of it's not very accurate,
Speaker 1: like even good c g I is still clearly c
Speaker 1: g I, and some of it dips into the uncanny valley.
Speaker 1: But as we pass out of the uncanny valley and
Speaker 1: get like more and more realistic, the question is is, well,
Speaker 1: if you have people who UM are engaged in victimizing
Speaker 1: other people in real life out of compulsion or something
Speaker 1: like that. Like there's a lot of debate over whether
Speaker 1: pedophilia is actually based on brain chemistry, which would take
Speaker 1: it out of the realm of choice. Right, So, let's
Speaker 1: say you believe that PEDOPHILIAX people, Yeah, pedophilis pedophiles, that's right.
Speaker 1: If you believe that pedophiles don't have a choice in
Speaker 1: their just their their decisions, their compulsions UM, and that
Speaker 1: they have to carry this out, it's just basically castrate themselves,
Speaker 1: is it morally acceptable to give these people a virtual
Speaker 1: simulation of that, yes, and in which case it will
Speaker 1: satisfy their compulsion while at the same time preventing them
Speaker 1: from carrying out this compulsion in real life. So so
Speaker 1: in real life no one is being harmed, but you're
Speaker 1: still giving over a virtual kid for a pedophile to
Speaker 1: do whatever with. Yeah, that is the slippery uts of slopes,
Speaker 1: because if someone were to argue that, someone I'm very
Speaker 1: right fully would argue that who's saying that satisfying that
Speaker 1: and not building up two act out on that for real?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, And that's that's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of concern coming from the other end as
Speaker 1: well as that, UM as we get more and more
Speaker 1: into this incredibly rendered um VR sex that you can
Speaker 1: actually feel in sense and all that as well, that
Speaker 1: it will you know, the fact that it's VR will
Speaker 1: make people who otherwise in real life wouldn't have said, well,
Speaker 1: you know what happens if I um choke this avatar
Speaker 1: to death while we're doing it. Let's see what that's like,
Speaker 1: And then they'll find out that they actually like that
Speaker 1: and they might want to try it in real life.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean as soon as this stuff like
Speaker 1: is out there, there's gonna be someone selling rape and
Speaker 1: murder fantasy software and I just don't see how that
Speaker 1: could lead to anything good. Well, but that's the I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the long term debate, you know, Like people have
Speaker 1: said the thing about violent video games, there's there's never
Speaker 1: been a body of of study that shows that violent
Speaker 1: video games actually do lead to increased violence in real life.
Speaker 1: So I mean, is the same thing true for um,
Speaker 1: for sex freaky sex. Well, all right, people can turn
Speaker 1: it off because Chuck's opinion is coming emvoy. People don't
Speaker 1: like it when I say opinionated things. Some people do.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I covered this much on our
Speaker 1: on our episode about video game violence, but I've played
Speaker 1: a lot of violent video games more in the last
Speaker 1: two years, and my feeling is that you may not
Speaker 1: be able to pinpoint that as a cause, but I
Speaker 1: think it can be a factor and a tipping point
Speaker 1: to someone who was teetering on that edge of carrying
Speaker 1: out a violent act. Yeah, that's that's my I firmly
Speaker 1: believe that because I am a non violent grown man,
Speaker 1: and when you play these game sames enough, you find
Speaker 1: yourself driving around and having these thoughts like not that
Speaker 1: I really would do these things, but they pop into
Speaker 1: your head, just like the same way used to have
Speaker 1: Tetris streams. When I played Tetris too much and I
Speaker 1: would not even dreams like waking dreams. I would walk
Speaker 1: into a room and see boxes be like, oh, you
Speaker 1: could arrange these in a different way. It like has
Speaker 1: a way of kind of taking your brain over and
Speaker 1: then you take out your aggression on the box. But
Speaker 1: I think it definitely absolutely can be a a factor
Speaker 1: and a tipping point if someone is close. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: I mean it's anecdotal, but you prefaced it with the
Speaker 1: fact that that's your opinions, just my opinion, but that's
Speaker 1: your experience too, you know. Yeah. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like band violent video games because like the lion share
Speaker 1: of people can play these things with no problem. But uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's tricky. One of the other
Speaker 1: problems with it, too, Chuck, is that as we get
Speaker 1: more and more into recreating the sensation of sex through
Speaker 1: vr UM, the possibility of sexual assault is expected to
Speaker 1: just skyrocket. Virtual sexual assault and apparently it's already happened. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a writer named Jordan bell Air, and she was
Speaker 1: playing a VR game called quiver Um within multiplayer mode,
Speaker 1: and she said that um, her voice sold her out
Speaker 1: as a woman, revealed she was a woman, but other
Speaker 1: than that, her avatar looked like a man. And then
Speaker 1: one of the other players just started chasing her and
Speaker 1: groping her and rubbing her um in her uh where
Speaker 1: her bathing suit covers and she um. She said that
Speaker 1: she felt genuinely violated by it. I'm sure this is
Speaker 1: without any kind of haptic technology whatsoever. This is strictly visual,
Speaker 1: and she still felt violated. So we're she wearing like
Speaker 1: a haptic body suit so she could feel what her
Speaker 1: avatar was feeling. What's the difference between somebody doing that
Speaker 1: in real life and somebody doing it virtually, I think
Speaker 1: to me the answer is is none. There is no
Speaker 1: difference for the end user, for the the victim is
Speaker 1: another way to put it. The victim is going to
Speaker 1: experiences the same because your brain is relying on sensory
Speaker 1: input to determine, say, whether a touch is comfortable or
Speaker 1: welcomed or unwelcomed or violating, and whether it's being recreated
Speaker 1: by a computer. Your mind isn't going to make any
Speaker 1: distinction from that. And you're tho, so the violation is
Speaker 1: through and through real and and again that there's that
Speaker 1: potential where because it's not in real life and because
Speaker 1: of the anonymity that the Internet affords, that the possibility
Speaker 1: of that happening can just could really explode. Yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: needs to come up with the game called a game
Speaker 1: like that called affirmative consent, you know, where everything is
Speaker 1: just above board. You introduce yourself and you get to
Speaker 1: know each other and you say, I like to be
Speaker 1: your lover. Can I touch you there? Sure? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'll just back out of the room slowly. So
Speaker 1: the one thing we haven't talked about is smell as
Speaker 1: far as sensory experience goes. And some people may uh
Speaker 1: discount smell or the importance of smell and sexuality, but
Speaker 1: I have always been long championed smell as the one
Speaker 1: of the underrated uh senses when it comes to sexy times. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if you do think, oh, like it's not the
Speaker 1: big of a deal, think about if you've ever had
Speaker 1: a time or smell has ruined something in sexy time.
Speaker 1: So if you do like think smells not that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. We're not. Just don't think of just
Speaker 1: good smells, like oh, somebody's perfumer cologne, like, think of
Speaker 1: like bad smells. How that can turn something wrong. Well,
Speaker 1: Robert actually makes a pretty good point in this article.
Speaker 1: He says that one out of every fifty gens lover
Speaker 1: in the human genome concern sense, yeah, or smell. The
Speaker 1: sense of smell. Yeah. I think every husband has been
Speaker 1: told at some point, like, why don't you go take
Speaker 1: a shower first? You know you were you were just
Speaker 1: working in the yard. Sure, there's nothing sexy about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: except the smell of grass is pretty great to grass um.
Speaker 1: But there was a company chuck a few years back.
Speaker 1: I think they went under around two thousand one or
Speaker 1: two thousand two, and the company is called digit Sense,
Speaker 1: and they had something called the I Smell and it
Speaker 1: was connected to your computer. And the whole idea was
Speaker 1: that they had to say, you know how, you have
Speaker 1: cyan magenta um colors, yellow, and black? Is that right?
Speaker 1: C M y K Yeah, And you can make millions
Speaker 1: millions of colors based from those four pigments. These guys
Speaker 1: were trying to do the same thing with smells. Come
Speaker 1: up with four basic sense that you could make virtually
Speaker 1: any smell with right, and uh, it's amazing. It's so
Speaker 1: sad to me that they it didn't go anywhere, but
Speaker 1: it's like, come back, digit sense, do it now, like
Speaker 1: we're ready. Yeah, this would be so amazing if like
Speaker 1: the whole thing was, you'd be on the Internet and
Speaker 1: there'd be a little, um, a little pixel on the
Speaker 1: web page that triggered your eye smell to produce a
Speaker 1: certain sent It sent the information how long it should
Speaker 1: be there for, how intense whatever. So you're looking at
Speaker 1: elephant pictures and you can smell the elephant poop right
Speaker 1: there in the room with Yeah, there's this other cool
Speaker 1: aspect Robert points out to which is um. The addition
Speaker 1: of this smell and taste to this experience and touch
Speaker 1: even it lightens the burden on the visuals. So it's
Speaker 1: something called cross mode all attention effects uh in in
Speaker 1: science communities, and it basically it's the way the brain
Speaker 1: prioritizes century input. UM. Like you know, if you're sitting
Speaker 1: on this and this is a great example uses if
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the sofa and you're just sitting there,
Speaker 1: you might feel the sense of the sofa cushion under
Speaker 1: your arm and under your butt. But then someone comes
Speaker 1: over and kisses you, and your brain goes, well, hey,
Speaker 1: and you don't feel the sofa cushion under your butt anymore.
Speaker 1: You feel the lips against your lover's lips, and your
Speaker 1: bow tie spins around. But that's the real thing. It's
Speaker 1: cross model attention effects. It's like literally the brain prioritizing uh,
Speaker 1: sensory input. Yeah, and apparently also one of the aspects
Speaker 1: of it too, is that when you have the more
Speaker 1: senses you have giving you information about a particular thing,
Speaker 1: the less any one particular sense has to carry the load.
Speaker 1: And again, up to this point, our sense of vision
Speaker 1: and our sense of hearing have been doing all of
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting. So if you add smell, if you
Speaker 1: managed to add taste, if you managed to add touch,
Speaker 1: the the like, just how visually stunning the the VR
Speaker 1: pornography has to be. Is it comes down several notches.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be as good because these other
Speaker 1: senses are making up the slack. Well, I mean, phone
Speaker 1: sex was just audio, right, I mean I said, was
Speaker 1: imagine that's still a thing, But um, did you ever
Speaker 1: see Shortcuts the Robert Altman movie. Remember Jennifer Jason Lee
Speaker 1: was a phone sex operator. She's like, you know, feeding
Speaker 1: her baby and ironing, and like her husband's in the
Speaker 1: other Chrispin is in the other room. God rest his soul.
Speaker 1: Oh Chris Pinn died huh two thousand and sixteen. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: years ago, Crispin. Yeah, but anyway, that was always kind
Speaker 1: of thought. That was funny. Like anyone who thinks the
Speaker 1: phone sex person is is right enjoying themselves like you are.
Speaker 1: They really sold themselves. Uh. And Robert, I do want
Speaker 1: to read this one great sentence from his article here. Uh,
Speaker 1: there are people at the University of York's audio laboratory
Speaker 1: who are working to employ this cross model attention effects
Speaker 1: and really just fine tune it all. And he said
Speaker 1: here in his last sentence, They've even considered employing a
Speaker 1: mouthpiece to simulate different textures against the tongue in mouth
Speaker 1: for virtual food chewing, they claim. M Man. Then, then
Speaker 1: I think Robert navigated some pretty tricky waters himself. Now
Speaker 1: he did, well, it's a good article. I just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the lover's thing. Yeah, uh, you got anything else, no, sir? Uh?
Speaker 1: We'll want to give a shout out to um Tracy
Speaker 1: Clark Floory from Vocative for the UH the Ethics of
Speaker 1: of VR sex stuff, UM kill Kei rou who gave
Speaker 1: us the televildonic stuff, and of course are and Robert
Speaker 1: Lamb who wrote the whole article. Right, yeah, stuff to
Speaker 1: blow your mind. Did good show. If you want to
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Speaker 1: John Um to me that stands out that we got
Speaker 1: the most hate mail for UM is not necessarily our
Speaker 1: biggest bomb, but it was homelessness or homelessness episode. Sure,
Speaker 1: we got tons and tons and tons of negative emails
Speaker 1: from people who are basically like homeless people are there
Speaker 1: because they're lazy. Stop telling people to be nice to them.
Speaker 1: And uh, probably more than any other episode we've ever done.
Speaker 1: I would say that's the one that has that we
Speaker 1: got the most hate mail for. What about You? Uh
Speaker 1: yeah probably so, Um, yeah, I think so. I think objectively,
Speaker 1: that is the one by far that we got the
Speaker 1: most hate mail for. Yeah, and we've been on record
Speaker 1: about that, and we even got a mail just last
Speaker 1: week about that episode saying, hey, I know you guys
Speaker 1: get a lot of flak for this one, and they
Speaker 1: send us an email of support, which is nice. Thank
Speaker 1: you to whoever wrote that. That was very nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say artificial sweeteners and homelessness. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: It's not like those emails like made me reconsider my
Speaker 1: stance on how I feel about homeless people or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it just sucks to hear angry stuff from that
Speaker 1: many people about something that you think is kind of
Speaker 1: brain dead, you know. Um, well, all right, if you
Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us, like John did,
Speaker 1: thanks for the email, John, you can tweet to us.
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