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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there. Sex sex

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Speaker 1: sex sex sex sex sex x sex sex x x

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Speaker 1: sex sex x sex. I was gonna say we should

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Speaker 1: do a C O A, but maybe that qualifies. I

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Speaker 1: think so too. Uh, parents, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a show that you may I want your kids to

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Speaker 1: listen to. We'll just didn't say that. Yeah, it's about

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Speaker 1: some adult business, that's right. Yeah, freaky stuff. Goodness, how

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing good. I still have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the the nose juice for the most part.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm good. My energy is up. You dude, I

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Speaker 1: have to show you next time I blow my nose,

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Speaker 1: I have to show you. This looks like it's it's

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no no. It's like Cheetos colored

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Speaker 1: and intensity. I I've never seen anything like it before,

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Speaker 1: and it's coming out of my head. That's weird, orange

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Speaker 1: orange yellow day glow. Well, I might as well talk

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Speaker 1: about my sickness. Yeah, how are you feeling well? I

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Speaker 1: had as you know, um and as you also even further, No,

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Speaker 1: about once a year I get a stomach flu. Even

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Speaker 1: though I think I took last year off, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I ever got it last year. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you did either. But uh so, my daughter waits eighteen

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Speaker 1: full months before she throws up for the first time,

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Speaker 1: which is a nice run, and she comes in the

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Speaker 1: kitchen the other she's like Jerry Seinfeld had really long

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Speaker 1: run too. She comes in the kitchen and just projectile

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Speaker 1: vomits all over the place out of nowhere, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, isn't feeling well and has some like uh

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Speaker 1: some some diarrhya going on. Why this show was really

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Speaker 1: getting off to a gross start. But two days after that,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm invincible, Like I've I've avoided this. That's

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Speaker 1: a bad thing, I think. I hope you didn't say

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Speaker 1: it out loud. I think I might have. And then

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Speaker 1: a two days ago at four pm, it's like, I

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Speaker 1: feel a little weird. Five minutes later I was throwing up.

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Speaker 1: And then six hours after me, it hit Emily. So

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Speaker 1: she was able to at least care for our child

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Speaker 1: until she went to bed, and then she was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not feeling so good either, And then my mom

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Speaker 1: thankfully came through and uh and took our child from

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Speaker 1: the sick house, and then Emily and I literally all

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Speaker 1: night long, we each had a bathroom at our disposal,

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Speaker 1: and it was just like every thirty minutes, somebody in

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Speaker 1: the house was like, man, it was really bad. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was just it was one of those things where

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Speaker 1: we pulled the curtains. We were just like, I didn't

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Speaker 1: even want to look at each other. It was just gross.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm you know, it's a twenty four hour

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Speaker 1: thing generally, And yeah, you said you told Jerry that

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Speaker 1: it was like twenty four hours to the minute. Uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean I started feeling better at about

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Speaker 1: four or five yesterday. But I'm just just weak, you know, man,

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Speaker 1: Like it just takes a lot out of you. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like, of you know, I'm not big on

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Speaker 1: the ad workout, but I feel like, I know, you

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Speaker 1: look ripped. Oh dude, I might have Like I feel

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Speaker 1: like I really might have pulled muscles in my rib

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Speaker 1: cage from wretching. It's funny, all right, So no one

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Speaker 1: else is listening anymore. No, let's talk about virtual sex. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we chased everyone off. This is a good plan. Hats

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Speaker 1: off to you, so chuck. Yes, people invented the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and within about I don't know, eight or nine seconds,

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Speaker 1: there was a porn side up right, probably yeah, and

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Speaker 1: since then apparently, um, it's it's been largely overstated. But

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Speaker 1: but most people associate the Internet, at least in part

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Speaker 1: with photography. Really, Oh you're kidding, Well, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean associate? Like like when when you think of the Internet,

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Speaker 1: you think, well, that's a vast repository of pornography. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's the case. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people do. Okay, Um, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: pornography on the Internet, and in fact, the Internet has

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Speaker 1: surprised to hear that. Yeah, but I mean that's just

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Speaker 1: But one of the things, like I said, when when

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh great, here's a here's a website that's

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Speaker 1: got porn on it. We've achieved peak Internet pornography. Like that,

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Speaker 1: some of the most um innovative thoughts to developing the

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Speaker 1: you think they've covered it all, somebody's like, hey, you

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you better hurry up to trademark that before

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Speaker 1: we released this episode. And by the way, when you

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Speaker 1: colleague here of stuff to blow your mind when you

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Speaker 1: read it, did you like, how did you feel just

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Speaker 1: hearing it in Robert's voice? In my head? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's something with it. I just wanted to take

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Speaker 1: a shower. Like if Robert, if he typed the word

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Speaker 1: lovers like one more time, I was I was literally

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Speaker 1: just I don't I've never liked that word with you,

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Speaker 1: and especially not coming from Robert like him. And I

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Speaker 1: he wrote this. Yeah, I can't imagine how much like

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about the future of simulated virtual sex,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily robot sex um because that's a different thing.

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Speaker 1: And we actually we did a whole episode on that, remember,

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Speaker 1: I think it was called like will we Marry Robots?

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Speaker 1: bit more about UM using technology to either simulate sex

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Speaker 1: UM phone sex in a way, like just a super

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Speaker 1: advanced form of phone sex, right right. And that's definitely

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Speaker 1: like the the genteel way of putting it, because I

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Speaker 1: think probably more to the point, it's hey, do you, um,

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Speaker 1: i'd like to have internet sex with people you don't know? Well,

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Speaker 1: have we got some technology coming down the pike for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And they don't say, hey, are you super lonely and

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Speaker 1: You know, sure about that, but it's it's a real

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Speaker 1: it could be proved to be a real benefit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: holders are gonna love this stuff. The the other thing

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Speaker 1: like a mid term goal of UM, of the future

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Speaker 1: of internet based sex, right, But ultimately from everything I'm seeing,

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Speaker 1: the ultimate goal, or maybe not even goal, but what

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Speaker 1: real thing. I don't know, man, I mean that's a uh,

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Speaker 1: what idiots, you know, they got that really wrong. But

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Speaker 1: it also seems like, I don't know, people like, uh,

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Speaker 1: people like good sex, you know. Yeah, but it's like

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Speaker 1: simulated sex is to real sex as soilent is to food.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's so I guess we can talk about

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Speaker 1: it now. Um, there's the basis of it. Is not

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Speaker 1: more likely is that people will be in monogamous relationships

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Speaker 1: form of masturbation. Sure, But that also, like I can

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Speaker 1: Like you know, are you sure with porn sites or

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Speaker 1: porn sites or webcam people like whatever, But when you

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Speaker 1: when you add this element and This is ultimately what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, Chuck, is the progression toward adding actual

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Speaker 1: just opens up the whole idea of cheating like even further,

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Speaker 1: so too. I think we really set this one up

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Speaker 1: so high that we can't possibly deliver from now on.

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Speaker 1: gonna go have a talk with Robert Lamb and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back right after this. All right. So Robert Lamb

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Speaker 1: points out that every lover's embrace is essentially since data.

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Speaker 1: And that's true. It's um, you know, it's touch, smell, uh, sound,

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Speaker 1: it's it's like all the sensory data that we get

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Speaker 1: from you know, eating an apple or something is the

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Speaker 1: same with sex the sexy times. But he asked a

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Speaker 1: very pertinent question here, and that's kind of what we're

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Speaker 1: after is how far can you go to digitize and

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Speaker 1: the obvious starting point, right exactly, because if you step

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Speaker 1: sexuality today, right, it's all all of it is visual,

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Speaker 1: works with you like when you are moving your tongue around,

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00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: it is reciprocating in likewise fashion. So it's not just

425
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: willie Nilly spinning around in a circle. It's it's it's

426
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: smarter than that. Yeah. So there was this other thing

427
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: called the Kissinger. I did see that that was really creepy.

428
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: So that one, this one makes a lot more sense

429
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: to me. It's it's actually the PhD project of Emma

430
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: yan Zang out of the City University of London and

431
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: UM this thing. It was originally a box that connected

432
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: via USB to your laptop that you kissed and it

433
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: had like kind of almost cartoonish lips attached to it

434
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then the newer prototype is this UM

435
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: this thing that you connect to, say your iPhone, and

436
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: so it's it's connected to the web through an app.

437
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: And when it's got this, I guess the mouth interface

438
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: is just this um, this pad almost a touchpad area

439
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: that you kiss, right, yes, And as you're kissing it,

440
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: it is taking in the movement and pressure of your lips,

441
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: sending it through the app to your lover yeah um

442
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: on the other end, and recreates the kiss to them.

443
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: But what's cool is it's bidirectional, so while they're kissing

444
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you back, you're receiving their kiss. Yeah. What's the disturbing

445
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: part to me is is that it comes in the

446
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: form of like a little round bunny rabbit. Oh yeah, yeah,

447
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: you didn't see it. Oh that was the first version. Oh,

448
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: the second version is conversion. The second version is much

449
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: less like they basically threw out any attempt to make

450
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: it look like a mouth. It just it funk sans

451
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't look like it because I think

452
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: they probably you were probably in the majority of people

453
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: who are like, I'm not kissing that thing. Well, yeah,

454
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was a little it looked like a

455
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: little round like Ferby toy with a big set of lips.

456
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: On it. Yeah, And the other disturbing part was you

457
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: had to hold it down because it was constantly trying

458
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: to get away, which it was like, why did you

459
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: make that design choice? That's very creepy. Yeah, so we'll

460
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: get to really creepy stuff later too. By the way, well,

461
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: are you talking about tell a del donis. I think

462
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: we should take a break before we talk about that

463
00:28:33,520 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: about tell adul donis. Let's take a break alright, We're

464
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: back to talk about telldil donics. It's funny, like I

465
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: can't say lover, but I have no problem saying telldul donics. Yeah.

466
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: So of course they called it that. It needs some

467
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: like nineties club like background beat with like telldulics. Yeah.

468
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see if Noah whip us up one. Alright,

469
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: So tell adul Donix is the development of automated sex

470
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: toys controlled by either a program or remote user. Right,

471
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: so technically, if kissing it could be construed as sex,

472
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: the kissinger is a form of teleodul donis. Yes, and

473
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: the basis of telldul donics as you have some sort

474
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: of um uh sex toy, I guess it's a good

475
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: way to put it. That's a great way to put it.

476
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: And that sex toy is connected to the internet. Um

477
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: and like you said, it can be controlled by somebody

478
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: else on the other end, or a program or like

479
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: a video that's um pre programmed to interact with your

480
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: sex toy. Right. Um, the both of those are are

481
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna be huge, But it seems like the it seems

482
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: like the progression is more toward remote sex. Right. So

483
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: the upshot of it is that you have two separate

484
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: sex toys, um with some distance between them, connected to

485
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: the Internet, and the people manipulating them on either side

486
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: are receiving the sense information, the tactile information from the

487
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: other's sex toy into their sex toy and is responding

488
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: to it in kind. How is that? Uh, that's a

489
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: good you navigated those waters. Thank you. If it sounds

490
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: like the word itself sounds like something from the seventies,

491
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: it's because it is. Um. It was coined in nine

492
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: by a guy named Ted Nelson. Uh. And he was

493
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: talking about you know, future where you have remote sex

494
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: with those those real feelings of touch transmitted through computers. Um.

495
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: So he was really kind of ahead of the game there. Um.

496
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: And one thing they compare it to uh, it's also

497
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: cyber del Donis or telesildnix Um. One kind of non

498
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: sexy thing that they will liken it too is the

499
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the vibrating uh video game controller rumble pack. Yeah, but

500
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean they all have it now, and it's if

501
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: you play video games, that's a big part of it.

502
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, it really adds. It adds a lot to

503
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the game played. Um when you feel like the rumble

504
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: of like a car crash or an explosion or something,

505
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and you know it's kind of subtle, but it's just

506
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: such a part of gaming now. If it went away,

507
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: people would be like, you know, what's what's going on?

508
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: It's not nearly as good, right, Okay, So now imagine that,

509
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: like your controller rumbling a little bit, and the effect

510
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that that has on you if you if you think

511
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: about it, like especially with the N sixty four rumble pack,

512
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: the first one I believe, which is haptic technology, right, Yeah,

513
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I remember when that came out. It was pretty awesome,

514
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: and it was awesome, but if you think about it,

515
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: basically your controller just shook and it didn't necessarily faithfully

516
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: recreate whatever it was supposed to be recreating, but that

517
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: that extra sense that was being manipulated caused your brain

518
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: to just go wild. Your imagination just ran wild, and

519
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: it really enhanced it, like you said, right, yeah, it's

520
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better too. But how they do it? Now?

521
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Imagine you take that out of your controller and out

522
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: of your hands and apply it to say, your sex toy, right,

523
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: and now you're developing sex toys that have an amazing

524
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: degree of precision in recreating temperature, moisture, level, um pressure, attention, torque, horsepower,

525
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Right, So you've got so the sex

526
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: toys are advancing, and then their ability, their bi directional

527
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: ability to receive information and transmit information to another sex toy,

528
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: which is then capable of recreating and then sending its

529
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: own information, means that you can have virtual sex across

530
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: the internet using sex toys and experiencing a real techtile

531
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: sensation from it. Yeah, and these are the ones where

532
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: mostly I saw that they were trying to target, uh,

533
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: couples that are in long distance relationships or when you're

534
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: away from each other for business travel or whatever that

535
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: you can you can sink up your sex toys in

536
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: real time, so the things that you're doing are being

537
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: felt on the other end exactly But a good example

538
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: of this is the love Pals, which if you're a

539
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: sex toy manufacturer, step up the names, shall we. Oh

540
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: it's always been that way. Love Pals with the z

541
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: um Yeah, of course. But they came up with a

542
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: pair of um sexy choice called Zeus and Hera and

543
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: and they're exactly what we're describing, and from what I

544
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: can gather, they're basically the cutting edge of it. Yeah,

545
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean I looked up there were they list a

546
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: few in this article Real Touch from two thousand nine

547
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: seems like it completely went away. There was one in

548
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven called love Lovins, not with a z

549
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: surprisingly Um, and they had the Iman and the Eye Lady,

550
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: and that I look that up. They had Max and

551
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: Nora which were there. It was a male master bader

552
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: which is a machine that does it for you, and

553
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a female stimulator and they named them Max and Nora.

554
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: Is very cute and they worked through bluetooth in their

555
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: phone app. But um, the last I saw was there

556
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: was an indie Go go from a couple of years

557
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: ago that was half funded and posed. So the only

558
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: one that I've seen that has really and I don't

559
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: know about taken off because I don't know they're sales,

560
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: but it seems like it's a legit thing that's out there.

561
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: Is the love Pals, Well did you look up the winds?

562
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: So we got that article from the website of a

563
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: company called kirou k I I R O O. Yeah,

564
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: and they have their own thing going. That's actually what

565
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: um doing well too. The onyx, yeah, the onyx and

566
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: the pearl, yes, yeah. And the onyx is the male

567
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: uh buddy, right, and the pearl is the female buddy yeah. Uh.

568
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: And these things look like you know that the right

569
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: out of the Apple Store. I don't know if you

570
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: saw pictures, but they're obviously trying to make them like

571
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: take them out of the back rooms of Spencer Gifts

572
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: and bring them to the forefront of Like, look at

573
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: this thing. It looks like you're you know, it looks

574
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: like any any Apple device you would find. It's exactly.

575
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: It's futuristic looking. Uh. You can put it in your dishwasher,

576
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: you can leave it on your coffee table and your

577
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: parents could come over. They'll have no idea exactly, doesn't

578
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: have any weird spikes or nubs. Right, You don't get

579
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: like a free trial of um, you know, simulated pot

580
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: with it. What's that stuff called? I have no idea,

581
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, like simulated like um fake pot that you

582
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: could buy it a head shop. Oh yeah, I think

583
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. I can't remember. It's

584
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: called spice. Yes, spice. You get a little baggy of

585
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: spice for free with it. They're like, we simulate everything,

586
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: all right. So we're joking around a lot. But um,

587
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: there's a man named Dr Stewart Milloy and he created

588
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: something called the Orgasmatron and again that's kind of a

589
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: goofy name, but he created in two thousand eight, and

590
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: this one actually sends an electrical pulse through the nerves

591
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: of the spinal cord and basically the idea is it

592
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: could potentially help women who either cannot or last the

593
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: ability to experience and orgasm to regain that with this device. Yeah,

594
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Yeah. Well he named I should

595
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: say he named the after the the machine and Woody

596
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Allen Sleeper nine three, right, But apparently he stumbled upon

597
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: this idea because he is a pain doctor. But he

598
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: uses um electrodes in the brain to to cut down

599
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: on pain and chronic pain patients and he was working

600
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: on one woman um and apparently during the procedure, so

601
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: he knows where the electrodes should go. The patient has

602
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: to be conscious, so they just give you a local

603
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: anesthetic and take off the top of your head and

604
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: then he gets in there and fiddles around. It's like

605
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: hell Raiser basically right. And as he was doing it,

606
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: he hit the spot and he said that the um.

607
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: The patient began to quote exclaim in fat emphatically and

608
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: he stops him. He's like, what's going on, what's what

609
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: are you experiencing? And she's like, you need to teach

610
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: my husband how to do that, and he's like, huh.

611
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: People would love this. But I was reading Chuck the

612
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: Scientific you no New Scientist article on it, and they

613
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: said that his orgasmatron received a limp reception from the

614
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: scientific community. They're better than that, they said, limp reception.

615
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: They're better than that. Apparently not. So we we've covered touch.

616
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: Touch isn't going to be a very important one pretty soon.

617
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: There's this thing called the Illusion VR body Suit, and

618
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: it's basically a hack together version of what will ultimately

619
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: be what everybody's wearing in the future, which is a

620
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: full haptic body suit with VR, which is really important.

621
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Next step as well, UM pornography combined with some sort

622
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: of UM sex toy that works automatically. Yes, yeah, so

623
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the idea, I mean, you've heard of Oculus off the

624
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, probably the most advanced VR system going now,

625
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: at least as far as I know. I'm not up

626
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: to date on the latest with that stuff, but it's

627
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: supposed to be great. So you know, you're talking about

628
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: a future where you, I guess sound is covered that

629
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: with the invention of headphones, it's kind of all you

630
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: need there, but throw on the headphones, throw on the

631
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Oculus rift uh, strap into your teledul donic system, and

632
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: you could you know, the range of things that can

633
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: happen there are either just long distance sex with your

634
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: lover or potentially weird things like, hey, do you want

635
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: to have sex with uh Jennifer Lopez, Well, we've got

636
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: a program you can pay for and do that, and

637
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez is really mad, Well yeah, you know, or

638
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: or UM I think another another potential that a lot

639
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: of people are worried about from this is is UM

640
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: VR especially gets more and more realistic. Are people just

641
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: acting out there just darkest darkest fantasies, and there's a

642
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: lot of UM. There's a lot of debate right now

643
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: over ethically, morally and legally how acceptable that is. You know.

644
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: So one of the big discussions about UM internet pornography

645
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: right now is as we're reaching this ability to UM

646
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: pretty accurately simulate, although a lot of it's not very accurate,

647
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: like even good c g I is still clearly c

648
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: g I, and some of it dips into the uncanny valley.

649
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: But as we pass out of the uncanny valley and

650
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: get like more and more realistic, the question is is, well,

651
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: if you have people who UM are engaged in victimizing

652
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: other people in real life out of compulsion or something

653
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: like that. Like there's a lot of debate over whether

654
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: pedophilia is actually based on brain chemistry, which would take

655
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: it out of the realm of choice. Right, So, let's

656
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: say you believe that PEDOPHILIAX people, Yeah, pedophilis pedophiles, that's right.

657
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: If you believe that pedophiles don't have a choice in

658
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: their just their their decisions, their compulsions UM, and that

659
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: they have to carry this out, it's just basically castrate themselves,

660
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: is it morally acceptable to give these people a virtual

661
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: simulation of that, yes, and in which case it will

662
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: satisfy their compulsion while at the same time preventing them

663
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: from carrying out this compulsion in real life. So so

664
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: in real life no one is being harmed, but you're

665
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: still giving over a virtual kid for a pedophile to

666
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: do whatever with. Yeah, that is the slippery uts of slopes,

667
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: because if someone were to argue that, someone I'm very

668
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: right fully would argue that who's saying that satisfying that

669
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: and not building up two act out on that for real?

670
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, And that's that's a lot of

671
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: a lot of concern coming from the other end as

672
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: well as that, UM as we get more and more

673
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: into this incredibly rendered um VR sex that you can

674
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: actually feel in sense and all that as well, that

675
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: it will you know, the fact that it's VR will

676
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: make people who otherwise in real life wouldn't have said, well,

677
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: you know what happens if I um choke this avatar

678
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: to death while we're doing it. Let's see what that's like,

679
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: And then they'll find out that they actually like that

680
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and they might want to try it in real life.

681
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean as soon as this stuff like

682
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: is out there, there's gonna be someone selling rape and

683
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: murder fantasy software and I just don't see how that

684
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: could lead to anything good. Well, but that's the I mean,

685
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: that's the long term debate, you know, Like people have

686
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: said the thing about violent video games, there's there's never

687
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: been a body of of study that shows that violent

688
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: video games actually do lead to increased violence in real life.

689
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, is the same thing true for um,

690
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: for sex freaky sex. Well, all right, people can turn

691
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: it off because Chuck's opinion is coming emvoy. People don't

692
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: like it when I say opinionated things. Some people do.

693
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I covered this much on our

694
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: on our episode about video game violence, but I've played

695
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: a lot of violent video games more in the last

696
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: two years, and my feeling is that you may not

697
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: be able to pinpoint that as a cause, but I

698
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 1: think it can be a factor and a tipping point

699
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: to someone who was teetering on that edge of carrying

700
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: out a violent act. Yeah, that's that's my I firmly

701
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: believe that because I am a non violent grown man,

702
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and when you play these game sames enough, you find

703
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: yourself driving around and having these thoughts like not that

704
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: I really would do these things, but they pop into

705
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: your head, just like the same way used to have

706
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: Tetris streams. When I played Tetris too much and I

707
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: would not even dreams like waking dreams. I would walk

708
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: into a room and see boxes be like, oh, you

709
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: could arrange these in a different way. It like has

710
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: a way of kind of taking your brain over and

711
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: then you take out your aggression on the box. But

712
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: I think it definitely absolutely can be a a factor

713
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: and a tipping point if someone is close. Yeah. Again,

714
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's anecdotal, but you prefaced it with the

715
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: fact that that's your opinions, just my opinion, but that's

716
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: your experience too, you know. Yeah. And I'm not saying

717
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: like band violent video games because like the lion share

718
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: of people can play these things with no problem. But uh,

719
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's tricky. One of the other

720
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: problems with it, too, Chuck, is that as we get

721
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: more and more into recreating the sensation of sex through

722
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: vr UM, the possibility of sexual assault is expected to

723
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: just skyrocket. Virtual sexual assault and apparently it's already happened. Um.

724
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: There's a writer named Jordan bell Air, and she was

725
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: playing a VR game called quiver Um within multiplayer mode,

726
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: and she said that um, her voice sold her out

727
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: as a woman, revealed she was a woman, but other

728
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: than that, her avatar looked like a man. And then

729
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: one of the other players just started chasing her and

730
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: groping her and rubbing her um in her uh where

731
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: her bathing suit covers and she um. She said that

732
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: she felt genuinely violated by it. I'm sure this is

733
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: without any kind of haptic technology whatsoever. This is strictly visual,

734
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and she still felt violated. So we're she wearing like

735
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: a haptic body suit so she could feel what her

736
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: avatar was feeling. What's the difference between somebody doing that

737
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: in real life and somebody doing it virtually, I think

738
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: to me the answer is is none. There is no

739
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: difference for the end user, for the the victim is

740
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: another way to put it. The victim is going to

741
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: experiences the same because your brain is relying on sensory

742
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: input to determine, say, whether a touch is comfortable or

743
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: welcomed or unwelcomed or violating, and whether it's being recreated

744
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: by a computer. Your mind isn't going to make any

745
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: distinction from that. And you're tho, so the violation is

746
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: through and through real and and again that there's that

747
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: potential where because it's not in real life and because

748
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: of the anonymity that the Internet affords, that the possibility

749
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: of that happening can just could really explode. Yeah, somebody

750
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: needs to come up with the game called a game

751
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: like that called affirmative consent, you know, where everything is

752
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: just above board. You introduce yourself and you get to

753
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: know each other and you say, I like to be

754
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: your lover. Can I touch you there? Sure? No? Okay,

755
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: well I'll just back out of the room slowly. So

756
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: the one thing we haven't talked about is smell as

757
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: far as sensory experience goes. And some people may uh

758
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: discount smell or the importance of smell and sexuality, but

759
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: I have always been long championed smell as the one

760
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: of the underrated uh senses when it comes to sexy times. Uh.

761
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: And if you do think, oh, like it's not the

762
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: big of a deal, think about if you've ever had

763
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: a time or smell has ruined something in sexy time.

764
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: So if you do like think smells not that big

765
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: of a deal. We're not. Just don't think of just

766
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: good smells, like oh, somebody's perfumer cologne, like, think of

767
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: like bad smells. How that can turn something wrong. Well,

768
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: Robert actually makes a pretty good point in this article.

769
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: He says that one out of every fifty gens lover

770
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: in the human genome concern sense, yeah, or smell. The

771
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: sense of smell. Yeah. I think every husband has been

772
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: told at some point, like, why don't you go take

773
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: a shower first? You know you were you were just

774
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: working in the yard. Sure, there's nothing sexy about that. Yeah,

775
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: except the smell of grass is pretty great to grass um.

776
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: But there was a company chuck a few years back.

777
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: I think they went under around two thousand one or

778
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: two thousand two, and the company is called digit Sense,

779
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: and they had something called the I Smell and it

780
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: was connected to your computer. And the whole idea was

781
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: that they had to say, you know how, you have

782
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: cyan magenta um colors, yellow, and black? Is that right?

783
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: C M y K Yeah, And you can make millions

784
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: millions of colors based from those four pigments. These guys

785
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: were trying to do the same thing with smells. Come

786
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: up with four basic sense that you could make virtually

787
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: any smell with right, and uh, it's amazing. It's so

788
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: sad to me that they it didn't go anywhere, but

789
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: it's like, come back, digit sense, do it now, like

790
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: we're ready. Yeah, this would be so amazing if like

791
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: the whole thing was, you'd be on the Internet and

792
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: there'd be a little, um, a little pixel on the

793
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: web page that triggered your eye smell to produce a

794
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: certain sent It sent the information how long it should

795
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: be there for, how intense whatever. So you're looking at

796
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: elephant pictures and you can smell the elephant poop right

797
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: there in the room with Yeah, there's this other cool

798
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: aspect Robert points out to which is um. The addition

799
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: of this smell and taste to this experience and touch

800
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: even it lightens the burden on the visuals. So it's

801
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: something called cross mode all attention effects uh in in

802
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: science communities, and it basically it's the way the brain

803
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: prioritizes century input. UM. Like you know, if you're sitting

804
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: on this and this is a great example uses if

805
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the sofa and you're just sitting there,

806
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: you might feel the sense of the sofa cushion under

807
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: your arm and under your butt. But then someone comes

808
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: over and kisses you, and your brain goes, well, hey,

809
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: and you don't feel the sofa cushion under your butt anymore.

810
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: You feel the lips against your lover's lips, and your

811
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: bow tie spins around. But that's the real thing. It's

812
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: cross model attention effects. It's like literally the brain prioritizing uh,

813
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: sensory input. Yeah, and apparently also one of the aspects

814
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: of it too, is that when you have the more

815
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: senses you have giving you information about a particular thing,

816
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: the less any one particular sense has to carry the load.

817
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: And again, up to this point, our sense of vision

818
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: and our sense of hearing have been doing all of

819
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting. So if you add smell, if you

820
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: managed to add taste, if you managed to add touch,

821
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: the the like, just how visually stunning the the VR

822
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: pornography has to be. Is it comes down several notches.

823
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be as good because these other

824
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: senses are making up the slack. Well, I mean, phone

825
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: sex was just audio, right, I mean I said, was

826
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: imagine that's still a thing, But um, did you ever

827
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: see Shortcuts the Robert Altman movie. Remember Jennifer Jason Lee

828
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: was a phone sex operator. She's like, you know, feeding

829
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: her baby and ironing, and like her husband's in the

830
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: other Chrispin is in the other room. God rest his soul.

831
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: Oh Chris Pinn died huh two thousand and sixteen. Oh no, no, no, no,

832
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: years ago, Crispin. Yeah, but anyway, that was always kind

833
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: of thought. That was funny. Like anyone who thinks the

834
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: phone sex person is is right enjoying themselves like you are.

835
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: They really sold themselves. Uh. And Robert, I do want

836
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: to read this one great sentence from his article here. Uh,

837
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: there are people at the University of York's audio laboratory

838
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: who are working to employ this cross model attention effects

839
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: and really just fine tune it all. And he said

840
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: here in his last sentence, They've even considered employing a

841
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: mouthpiece to simulate different textures against the tongue in mouth

842
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: for virtual food chewing, they claim. M Man. Then, then

843
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: I think Robert navigated some pretty tricky waters himself. Now

844
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: he did, well, it's a good article. I just yeah, yeah,

845
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: the lover's thing. Yeah, uh, you got anything else, no, sir? Uh?

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Speaker 1: blow your mind. Did good show. If you want to

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Speaker 1: wowee wow wow. And since I said that it's time

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Speaker 1: for listener mail, I'm doing something I out normally do

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Speaker 1: because I didn't have one prepared. I'm just gonna randomly

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Speaker 1: I'm gotting some good stuff. By the way, thank you

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Speaker 1: to the people that send an emails saying that UH

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Speaker 1: an English speaker saying junta is completely correct. Whatever I know.

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Speaker 1: You like to show off your your flair. You're Latin

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Speaker 1: American flair. My my heat, my Latin heat. All right?

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Speaker 1: I found one, Hey, guys for starters. I love the show.

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Speaker 1: I got hooked on s U s K. People still

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Speaker 1: do that occasionally. It's funny. Uh SUSK and even had

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Speaker 1: iTunes to do the download all and I'm turning through

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Speaker 1: them all. Just got done listening to the soilent episode

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Speaker 1: and the listener mail. You mentioned how the breastfeeding episode

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Speaker 1: was so well received, So was there an episode and

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know history, he said, s Y s K.

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Speaker 1: The second time, by the way, that was chock full

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Speaker 1: of hate mail. Would be a cool factoid of what

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Speaker 1: your greatest bomb was. Maybe parallel that with your top

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Speaker 1: five shows of all time to smooth it over. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that, but it's a lot of asks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that is from John uh Navicus Navicus and um boy.

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Speaker 1: You know what, we got a lot of bad mail

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Speaker 1: recently about artificial sweeteners. I've noticed. Oh yeah, yeah, people

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Speaker 1: are kind of mad. Some people are I think they're

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Speaker 1: all like Um from the Splendid Family. But yeah, that

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Speaker 1: one set people off to an extent. We also got

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Speaker 1: a lot out of kudos for that one. The one

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Speaker 1: John Um to me that stands out that we got

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Speaker 1: the most hate mail for UM is not necessarily our

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Speaker 1: biggest bomb, but it was homelessness or homelessness episode. Sure,

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Speaker 1: we got tons and tons and tons of negative emails

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Speaker 1: from people who are basically like homeless people are there

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Speaker 1: because they're lazy. Stop telling people to be nice to them.

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Speaker 1: And uh, probably more than any other episode we've ever done.

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Speaker 1: I would say that's the one that has that we

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Speaker 1: got the most hate mail for. What about You? Uh

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Speaker 1: yeah probably so, Um, yeah, I think so. I think objectively,

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Speaker 1: that is the one by far that we got the

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Speaker 1: most hate mail for. Yeah, and we've been on record

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Speaker 1: about that, and we even got a mail just last

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Speaker 1: week about that episode saying, hey, I know you guys

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Speaker 1: get a lot of flak for this one, and they

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Speaker 1: send us an email of support, which is nice. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to whoever wrote that. That was very nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say artificial sweeteners and homelessness. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's not like those emails like made me reconsider my

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Speaker 1: stance on how I feel about homeless people or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it just sucks to hear angry stuff from that

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Speaker 1: many people about something that you think is kind of

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Speaker 1: brain dead, you know. Um, well, all right, if you

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Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us, like John did,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the email, John, you can tweet to us.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Josh M clark and at s Y s

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