WEBVTT - Week in Tech: Did Social Media Just Change Forever?

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<v Speaker 1>From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is tech stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm as Voloshian and I'm care Price.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to get into the thing no One

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<v Speaker 1>asked for a social media app dedicated to AI video,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a study asking, somewhat surprisingly whether social media

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<v Speaker 1>is actually on the decline, Then some advice for parents

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<v Speaker 1>about how to raise your kids in the age of AI.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that on the Weekend Tech. It's Friday, October tenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Cara, Hi Azie, how are you good.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd start with Show and Tell today, my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Show me he's taking out YouTube guys. It's loading and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing Andrew Ku.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Andrew Cuomo and I could pertain to do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of jobs. But I know what I know, and

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I don't know, and I do know

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<v Speaker 3>how to make government work. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>jobs I can't do, but I'm ready to be your

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<v Speaker 3>mayor on day one.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of things I'm not good at,

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<v Speaker 1>including being a mayor, being a mayor, and using AI

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<v Speaker 1>to make campaign ads unbelievable. Just for the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners, the premise here is that Andrew Cuomo can't

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of jobs. His AI version is looking

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<v Speaker 1>like a struggling subway conductor, stressed out as a trader

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, and

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<v Speaker 1>a window washer. However, there are two Empire State buildings

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, which that was quite missing.

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<v Speaker 2>I really love that video because one, it really makes

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<v Speaker 2>him look like a boomer.

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<v Speaker 1>It really really really does.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously the person that he's going up against has

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<v Speaker 2>swept sillennials in drove Mamdani.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's interesting. In the YouTube comments, somebody actually

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<v Speaker 1>commented boomers love their AI slop, which I thought was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some other great YouTube comments I like, like

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<v Speaker 1>bro is getting funded by billionaires, pecant afford actions with

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<v Speaker 1>three skull emojic doll emojis. Mamdani also dinged Quomo obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when you when you present someone with an

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<v Speaker 1>open goal, they tend to strike the ball into it.

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<v Speaker 1>He made fun of Quomo Becausemamber earlier in the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>got called out for using AIS generate his housing plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes that was back in April.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he uses AI for his campaign videos and for

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<v Speaker 2>the housing exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mamdani also said whether it was very clever in

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<v Speaker 1>a city of world class artists and production crews hunting

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<v Speaker 1>for their next gig. Andrew Cuomo made a TV ad

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<v Speaker 1>the same way he wrote his housing policy with AI.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a sweet dig. That was a sweet dig.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you mentioned boomers, and with all due

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<v Speaker 1>respect to our you know boomers out there, it is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting how boomerish this use of AI is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that Cuomo jumped at the opportunity to put

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<v Speaker 2>AI in a campaign, of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course, as it feels fresh, and that's what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. We're gonna use AI. Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 1>original Mamdani campaign from the Democratic primary? Yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very visually iconic. Extremely Scott Galloway made this

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<v Speaker 1>point in his newsletter, which is that very surprisingly, despite

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<v Speaker 1>all the headlines about how AI is going to run

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<v Speaker 1>designers out of business, the ratio of designers to engineers

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley firms is actually increasing because the deluge

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<v Speaker 1>of AI slop is putting a new premium on really

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<v Speaker 1>really good human designers, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So design has to matter more like matter.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the old axiom new tools don't always equal

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<v Speaker 1>better results, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, speaking of AI generated videos. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about something that I can't

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<v Speaker 2>stop seeing online, and that is Sora to videos, Sora

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<v Speaker 2>Too videos.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad these are from open Ai, right, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear what you have telling me about Sora.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get there, I do want to just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what a big week it's been for open Ai.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a multi hundred million dollar chip deal and

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<v Speaker 1>the release of something that people are calling the everything app.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to get to those other two big

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai headlines, but first time me about Sora.

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<v Speaker 2>So had you you've heard of Sora before I had.

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<v Speaker 2>It refers to a few different things. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>is what Sora one was, which was open AI's text

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<v Speaker 2>to video generator that was the original Sora. Last week,

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<v Speaker 2>Sra gets an update. I don't know why I want

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<v Speaker 2>to call her. Her name is Sora Too, and Sora

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<v Speaker 2>to is what powers this new app called Sora, which

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<v Speaker 2>is soa up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very good, very very good. I where as in

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<v Speaker 1>the app charts it was like top three, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer one, number.

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<v Speaker 2>One one in the total app.

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<v Speaker 1>Lap charts, even though it's in beta or beta.

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<v Speaker 2>As Beta beta orour Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing worth mentioning here is I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first time open ai has ever released

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<v Speaker 1>an app other than chatchipt. That's correct, Which if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a big company, that must mean you're treating us pretty

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<v Speaker 1>dumb seriously to release only the second ever consumer facing app.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know chat rept. We now know has

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<v Speaker 2>Google kind of running scared in the search category, but

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<v Speaker 2>now open ai seems to be coming for social media too.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's really interesting is that Meta also launched an

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<v Speaker 2>AI video feed in their meta app just five days

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<v Speaker 2>before the Sora app dropped. The name of it is

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<v Speaker 2>it makes you think that Zuckerberg must name these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Vibes, oh Man, vibe coding, Meta.

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<v Speaker 2>Vibes, It's Pineapple Express.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this. You couldn't miss the Sora and news

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're living under a rock. I didn't see a

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<v Speaker 1>peep or hear a peep about vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think why you didn't hear a peep about vibes

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<v Speaker 2>is because vibes sucks. You know, there's like a huge

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<v Speaker 2>difference between what you can do on vibes in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of Meta AI and what you can do on Sora

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<v Speaker 2>and what you can do on Sora is that you

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<v Speaker 2>can be a character in your own videos and you

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<v Speaker 2>can also put other care I saw Pikachu have a

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<v Speaker 2>DNA test on Maury.

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<v Speaker 1>You're serious?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like Pikachu, you are not. So for those

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<v Speaker 2>who don't know, here's how the app works. You can

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<v Speaker 2>upload a short video of yourself to the app, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the model can seamlessly insert your likeness into this

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<v Speaker 2>hyper realistic video that includes sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when the text to image feature on

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<v Speaker 1>chatchypt was released and the whole Internet caught fire and

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<v Speaker 1>there was this moment where the Internet was completely flooded

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<v Speaker 1>by studio ghibli characters and you know pixel characters of

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<v Speaker 1>like you and your friends going about your life. When

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<v Speaker 1>was the last time you saw one of those in circulation?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's done dead. I like we have it from

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<v Speaker 2>jet whenever it was Yeah. So what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of Sora?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>If like it will add.

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<v Speaker 1>It's obviously so thrilling to put you on your your

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<v Speaker 1>friends in Spider Man with Pikachu and Maury, Like, but

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<v Speaker 1>is it durable?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this will be more durable than the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of quick high jinks of studios Jubilee, Like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is really fun to do over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I think Sora as an app is going to

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<v Speaker 2>Sora in the app store, you know, in perpetuity the

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<v Speaker 2>way that Chatgypt is just for sure. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it will. I definitely don't think it will.

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<v Speaker 1>So telling you mentioned more in Pikachu, which is undeniable,

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<v Speaker 1>will you confront him with just a flood of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was, and the way that you know it when you

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<v Speaker 2>watch a SRA video if you're on TikTok or Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Sora watermark.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. But those are kind of a flex right because

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<v Speaker 1>it's still in beta.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And what it means is that you got invited

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<v Speaker 2>to Sora, which is very cool, which we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did say in our production METI on Monday? Way,

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<v Speaker 1>why aren't we going to invite it to?

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones that I actually like the most were of

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Altman himself, who is very smart about centering himself

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<v Speaker 2>as the face of open Ai.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I just wanted to pause on this because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the concerns has been can I take your face

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<v Speaker 1>and sorrow you? And the answer technically is no right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sam, that's right, Sam's my dear friend. He decided

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<v Speaker 1>to basically make his face available to anyone who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to use him as a character. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's two really disturbing videos. One is him shoplifting

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<v Speaker 2>at Target.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that he made himself was made of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think someone made it, put it on X and

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<v Speaker 2>was bragging that their video went viral. The other one

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<v Speaker 2>is really disturbing. Again, another user made it of Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Altman being a sort of crust punk who had seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>a crystal math problem.

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<v Speaker 1>My god. So these are not always in the best taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Not always in the best taste. But I think again,

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<v Speaker 2>show that Sam Altman is the Zuckerberg or the bezos

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<v Speaker 2>that open AI needs more. He's more more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he is the greatest hype beast the

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<v Speaker 1>world's ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. I just want to go back and talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about some of the darker questions that

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<v Speaker 2>Soa raises. To any normal person, you would imagine this

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<v Speaker 2>is like a huge content moderation issue, because now there's

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<v Speaker 2>just the Internet is flooded with fake videos that are

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<v Speaker 2>fake on purpose, and everyone knows they're fake. The company

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<v Speaker 2>does state that it quote bands impersonation scams and fraud,

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<v Speaker 2>and that there are quote extra guardrails to the app

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<v Speaker 2>when real people are featured in videos meant to block

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<v Speaker 2>nunity and graphic violence. Okay, so technically you can only

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<v Speaker 2>create videos of yourself, your friends, or people who choose

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<v Speaker 2>to let their likeness be public. But as one would expect,

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<v Speaker 2>there has already been at least one video of a

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<v Speaker 2>woman being covered in a mysterious substance. So that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of tells you how well this is going.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. I mean, is there is there really a

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<v Speaker 1>belief or des I hear that Sora the app becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a destination to consume, to just gorge on ai slop.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the vision is here?

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people would say, yes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a it's a new social media destination for crap.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place to hang out rather than just to create.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Okay, that's right. And there are two crucial

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<v Speaker 2>things that make this app different than say Instagram or TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>The first is that the algorithm is not reigning supreme

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<v Speaker 2>in the Sora feed. It's in as you said, beta,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently the app allows you to customize your feed

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, so you can pick a mood, which

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<v Speaker 2>means that basically you tell the app what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to see more of and it feeds it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>The second thing is, we all know how much we

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<v Speaker 2>divulge to chat GPT. Sora quote may consider your chat

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<v Speaker 2>GPT history while creating video, which is a bit strange, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>to what extent is it going to impact? I guess

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<v Speaker 2>my Sora videos.

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<v Speaker 1>You said something to me yesterday when we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this that really stayed with me. You said, this

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<v Speaker 1>may be the day the Internet changed.

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<v Speaker 2>I did say that, and you know I talk to

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<v Speaker 2>our producer about it too, And I was thinking, was

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<v Speaker 2>I being a little bit Pollyanna ish? I just I

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<v Speaker 2>think we are already like treading such thin ice in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like what is true that we see online.

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<v Speaker 2>There's now an app that is dedicated intentionally to propagating

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<v Speaker 2>fake video, and it's being run by probably the most

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<v Speaker 2>important company of this new generation. And so I do

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<v Speaker 2>think there is a pre Sora and postsra internet. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I think Sora is going to change the world. Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I think that having more realistic fake video in

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<v Speaker 2>a time when our president posts Sora like videos on

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<v Speaker 2>truth social is like incredibly damaging. Yes, I think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm I come back to the thought

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<v Speaker 1>I had at the beginning, is this like a flash

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<v Speaker 1>in the pan?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>So, Scott Gallaway, who I mentioned up top, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast host of Pivot and a marketing professor, had interesting

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<v Speaker 1>take here. He's very much the opinion that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a flash in the pan that surprise, based on his

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<v Speaker 1>thesis that most people don't want to be creators, they

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<v Speaker 1>want to be consumers. And here are the stats that

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<v Speaker 1>he shared to support that four percent of YouTube videos

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<v Speaker 1>account for ninety four percent of views on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of TikTok videos generate eighty nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the views. On Instagram, three percent of videos and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four percent of all views. Scott's hypothesis, or his take

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<v Speaker 1>was that actually Sora is really a B to B product.

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<v Speaker 1>This is designed to put Hollywood and advertising agencies effectively

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<v Speaker 1>to make many many people who work there redundant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not very culturally favorable cell And so the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to release as a consumer app, even though

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really what it's for. Interesting, it's good take,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also disagree. I disagree because of what you

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<v Speaker 1>said about Samilman catapulting himself into being the most iconic

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<v Speaker 1>text CEO of our generation. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>more that most people in America and the world experience

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand the absolute mind bending magic of generative AI, the

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<v Speaker 1>richer and more powerful Samilman gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that's right. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I'll say about SORA is like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it really matters. Is not that many people are

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<v Speaker 2>using it versus consuming it. Isn't the problem that people

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<v Speaker 2>are consuming it in such.

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<v Speaker 1>Hah ha, We're onto our next story. Okay. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a piece in the Financial Times with the headline have

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<v Speaker 1>we passed peak social Media? Have we per This article

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<v Speaker 1>on the data that underlie is it? Social media use

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<v Speaker 1>peaked three years ago in twenty twenty two. What So

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<v Speaker 1>the Ft partner with this digital audience insight company called

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<v Speaker 1>GWI to analyze the online habits of two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand adults in fifty countries. What they found was

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<v Speaker 1>that by the end of twenty twenty four, people on

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<v Speaker 1>average spent two hours and twenty minutes per day on

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<v Speaker 1>social media, which is down almost ten percent from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. This is a trend.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a trend.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, per this data, which generation is

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<v Speaker 1>unsubscribing fastest now?

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<v Speaker 2>Gen Z fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>So the columnist posits that the reason this may be

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<v Speaker 1>happening is in part because of the degradation of content

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<v Speaker 1>on social media platforms overall. This is also known as incertification,

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<v Speaker 1>the term coined by Cory doctor O. But the columnists

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<v Speaker 1>used this great analogy to describe this flood of new content.

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<v Speaker 1>He calls it quote ultra process content dopamine with at

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<v Speaker 1>best negligible informational value and at worst corrosively negative, And

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<v Speaker 1>he basically posits people are waking up to this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I in my youth because I am an

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram super user and I post a lot on Instagram Stories.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I have noticed is the way that the

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram algorithm works. I can't find things as easily as

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<v Speaker 2>I used to because everything is algorithmically driven. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the same shit my friends are seeing. And what

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be is that like there was actually,

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<v Speaker 2>say two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Before your feed would surface true value.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because my feed actually had things in it that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see. Now my feed just has things

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<v Speaker 2>in it that my friends are watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's again part of what this article is about,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the thrill of social media was really about

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<v Speaker 1>connecting with your friends, right, But now these apps basically

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<v Speaker 1>promote just time spent with the never ending feed of

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<v Speaker 1>sensational content, and so it's become more and more passive

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore, listen, let's engaging. I mean, the snake is

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<v Speaker 1>eating its own tail, at least according to this article.

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<v Speaker 1>On the data, there is a twist here. Guess which

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<v Speaker 1>continent social media is not declining in?

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<v Speaker 2>Not declining North America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the trend line is down everywhere apart from here.

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<v Speaker 1>Daily usage is still rising year after year in this

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<v Speaker 1>part of the world, and last year North American social

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<v Speaker 1>media consumpation was fifteen percent higher than Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>It just scares me because we now have an entirely

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<v Speaker 2>new app that's number one on the App Store that

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<v Speaker 2>is literally I mean, you want to talk about in schitification.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to have an ais I mean a Pikachu

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<v Speaker 2>DJing at boiler Room, which is a real sour video

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<v Speaker 2>that came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you looking for Pikachu or you just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I'm always looking for Pikachu, isn't that the but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I think that the Galloway argument gets me

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<v Speaker 2>a little frustrated because it's like keeping candy in the

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<v Speaker 2>house all year as opposed to on Halloween, because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>if we only have it on Halloween, at least there

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<v Speaker 2>is a day that's designated to eating it. If we

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<v Speaker 2>have it in the house all the time, kids are

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna be like, I want to eat candy every night.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that with sore uh, it might not

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<v Speaker 2>impact the American social media landscape in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, TikTok or Instagram did, but it does now

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<v Speaker 2>put more shit into the world that obviously, based on

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, Americans can't handle.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think but by the way, it's engaging. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I like seeing this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy watching a giraffe and a zebra walk through

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<v Speaker 2>suburban America absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>As giraffe and zebra blended together. I promise more about

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai. We've talked about the first, you know, triumph

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<v Speaker 1>of the week from open AI's perspective, which was breaking

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet with a new social video generation app. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are also two other things. Announcing a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the chip maker AMD, which added one hundred billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to the market cap of AMD almost immediately. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>get this, just announcing it down a deal with the

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<v Speaker 1>company makes that company one hundred billion dollars more valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean talk about power.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk a little more about AMD because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not so familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so AMD is, you know, in video, is the

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<v Speaker 1>world's number one chip maker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know this islder and.

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<v Speaker 1>Open air also did a huge deal with Nvidia recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and also did a huge deal with Oracle for data centers.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was an agreement for open ai to start

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<v Speaker 1>building data centers using AMD chips. And this was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge thing for AMD because it basically was open Ai

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<v Speaker 1>laying down a marker saying no, no, we believe that

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<v Speaker 1>these guys can manufacture chips good enough to power the

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<v Speaker 1>data centers we need to do the next generation of AI.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a sweetener. Open ai had got ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>of AMD for free to do this deal. Well for

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<v Speaker 1>one center share options by shares at one center share

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<v Speaker 1>that is crazy. So they're basically, I mean they're out

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<v Speaker 1>there saying we know that working with us will increase

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<v Speaker 1>the value of your business.

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<v Speaker 2>So here you go, here's ten percent of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So the leverage of this company right now is absolutely extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg pointed out that the announced between AMD, Oracle and

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<v Speaker 1>Video that open Ai has annouced in the last few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks could top a trillion dollars. A trillion dollars. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean even even even the president rarely says that word.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't say trillion.

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<v Speaker 1>One stock analyst told Bloomberg that Sam Mortman quote has

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<v Speaker 1>the power to crash the global economy for a decade

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<v Speaker 1>or take us all to the promised land.

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<v Speaker 2>What is taking us to the promised land?

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<v Speaker 1>Look like? That's what I'm wondering that they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>very good question.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't go there not taking rich. Yeah that's rich

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<v Speaker 2>if they have starvation pays off right right right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's anybody who is going to make the AI

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<v Speaker 2>revolution pay off, it's the founder of open Air.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be. In the point article makes is

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<v Speaker 1>now all these companies are so much in each other's

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<v Speaker 1>business that Open Air with on the software side, AMD

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<v Speaker 1>and a Video on the hardware side, that this is

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<v Speaker 1>why some people are worried they may be a bubble

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<v Speaker 1>emerging because just by doing business with each other and

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<v Speaker 1>swishing the cash around, they can inflate each other stock prices,

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<v Speaker 1>borrow more money, do more deals. But of course that's

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<v Speaker 1>why if we don't get to the promised Land, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also another one little piece of information about

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<v Speaker 2>open ai this week, really big open air.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge open Yeah. So we've got Sora, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a md chips. But there's also develop a conference

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<v Speaker 1>on this idea of the everything app. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>all this concern about how generative AI was basically rendering

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet useless because all of the Internet's information was

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<v Speaker 1>served up through a chatbot rather than you know, in search. Now, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>companies like Zillow, Booking dot Com, Spotify have voluntarily struck

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<v Speaker 1>partnerships whereby you can use their products through chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 1>So you can say find me a house in X,

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<v Speaker 1>book book me a flight to Y, and without leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the chat GPT app, that app will interact with these

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<v Speaker 1>other companies. Now, of course you get the exciting bump

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<v Speaker 1>of we're working with open ai.

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<v Speaker 2>With the first exciting Etsy was very excited about it

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<v Speaker 2>might have been one of the first.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, you want kind of alizes people

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<v Speaker 1>using your app or your website. I mean, it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting trade off.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an interesting tradeoff, but I think it goes

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<v Speaker 2>to show. It's kind of like when people started selling

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<v Speaker 2>products on Amazon, like, are are you going to destroy

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<v Speaker 2>your storefront or are you're going to go with where

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<v Speaker 2>people are buying the product? Which is very interesting. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this idea of the everything app,

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<v Speaker 2>and our producer Eliza reminded me that China has a

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<v Speaker 2>few everything apps, Ali pay and we Chat. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually I've been to China and so you open

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<v Speaker 1>we Chat and essentially in it you have the equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of Uber. You have the equivalent of Amazon, like you

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<v Speaker 1>can do it banking, thank you to everything through one

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<v Speaker 1>app and it's been three days. The Promised Land is

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<v Speaker 1>what's obvious. Why it's the promised land, right, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you owned everything up, you're pretty powerful and exactly Elon

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<v Speaker 1>of course the reason he renamed Twitter X. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons was he wanted X to become the everything app, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Does not look promise but chatchipt Yeah, I mean in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of a contender, not meta, not TikTok, chatchipt seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be the closest thing we have for a contender

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<v Speaker 2>in the everything app. And I'm cure. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly think the phone is the everything app.

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<v Speaker 1>The phone is the everything app. And what will it

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<v Speaker 1>be displaced by building a new physical interface to use

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<v Speaker 1>their everything app? That I doubt more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's probably unlikely. But I did have

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<v Speaker 2>this little thought that I can reflect on for the

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<v Speaker 2>next year, which is, like, to what extent will the

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<v Speaker 2>apps on my phone dwindle and dwindle and dwindle until

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<v Speaker 2>there's like three.

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<v Speaker 1>Left after the break? Mini brains might be the future

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<v Speaker 1>of computing. Robots are helping to create babies. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>look at raising kids in the age of AI, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, Cara. I have a story that I think

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<v Speaker 1>might blow your mind. What do you think of when

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<v Speaker 1>I say wet weear? I remember this is a family

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<v Speaker 1>friendly show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, then I think of a wetsuit, but you surf.

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<v Speaker 1>So wetwear is not hardware and it's not software. It's

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<v Speaker 1>organic computing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I literally don't understand what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I don't really it, to be honest, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did my best. Following a BBC headline scientists grow

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<v Speaker 1>mini human brains to power computers.

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<v Speaker 2>What what do you mean by mini brains?

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists in Switzerland have found a way to create stem

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<v Speaker 1>cells out of human skin cells, which are developed into

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<v Speaker 1>clusters of neurons that function as mini brains, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as organoids.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds like science fiction. This is like Revenge of

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<v Speaker 2>the Organoids or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Well funny, should mention one of the scientists leading this

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<v Speaker 1>initiative is a huge science fiction fan. He said how

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<v Speaker 1>thrilling it is for him to make science fiction become

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<v Speaker 1>science fact. But this particular field of study is called biocomputing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the goal is to make these organoids powerful enough

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<v Speaker 1>to function as quote, living servers. Essentially, with the ganoids

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<v Speaker 1>attached to electrodes, the ideas that they will be mini

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<v Speaker 1>computers that can also learn, much like AI does.

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially they're creating organic AI. Is there any fear

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<v Speaker 2>of sentience like we have with jen Ai?

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps even more so? So? This quote from the BBC

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<v Speaker 1>really haunted me. Sometimes scientists observe a flurry of activity

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<v Speaker 1>from the organoids before they die, similar to the increased

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<v Speaker 1>heart rate and brain activity, which has been observed in

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<v Speaker 1>some humans at the end of life. Now you could say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a computer overheating before it finally collapses.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you could say this is the symphonic moment where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the cells come together for one final

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<v Speaker 1>burst of energy before they pass into the next world.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's to me, it's fascinating, It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my question is like, what is the upside

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<v Speaker 2>of doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, the big story about the AI revolution

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<v Speaker 1>is how much electrical power it requires to continue versus

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<v Speaker 1>us our brains, which require no electoral moath to function.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea is basically that, you know, we can

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<v Speaker 1>do computing with much better energy efficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've many many questions about this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly around the ethics of having living cells as computers.

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<v Speaker 2>But my first question is like, how the hell do

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<v Speaker 2>these things work.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's still early days for this type of work,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's honestly pretty hard to understand. But the Swiss

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<v Speaker 1>scientists are testing the organoids to see if they can

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<v Speaker 1>obey simple key commands. They're not really up to snuff yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and they only live for about four months, but interest

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<v Speaker 1>is spreading. Back In twenty twenty two, an Australian firm

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<v Speaker 1>called Cortical Labs was able to get quote artificial neurons

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<v Speaker 1>to play the early computer game Pong. But some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most promising stuff around this research is, in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists that JOHNS. Hopkins, who are studying how these

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<v Speaker 1>mini brains process information and how that in turn may

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<v Speaker 1>be applied to treating diseases like Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think my next story could be similarly unsettling

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<v Speaker 2>for some people, maybe even more people, because this is

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<v Speaker 2>more relevant to people's lives. It's from the Washington Post

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<v Speaker 2>and the headline reads, robots are learning to make human babies.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty have already been BORNA where are you going with this?

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually, you know, it's not as sci fi as

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds, unlike your story. There are a few companies

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<v Speaker 2>that are running trials and using AI and robots to

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<v Speaker 2>help with the IVF process.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is basically automating the IVF process exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the companies highlighted in this article is called

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<v Speaker 2>Conceivable Life Sciences. As a pun, yeah, I you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>it is fun that's what are we gonna call it conceivable,

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<v Speaker 2>So conceivable life sciences use AI to identify the healthiest

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<v Speaker 2>eggs and sperm, which is often a hard thing to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and use robots to extract the eggs and fertilize them.

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<v Speaker 2>They started testing their system on mice and are currently

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<v Speaker 2>conducting a one hundred person clinical trial in Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also another company that I want to mention called Overture,

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<v Speaker 2>which ran a three person clinical trial in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and The Washington Post interviewed one of the participants, a

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<v Speaker 2>woman who is the mother of a completely healthy and

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<v Speaker 2>normal two and a half year old.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and we talk a lot about replacing doctors, but

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<v Speaker 1>it tends to be more in the realm of diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 1>But what this story is about is inserting robots into

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<v Speaker 1>the medical process. Presumably, if it worked, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>much cheaper than the human a lot cheaper.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very good point because there are a few

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<v Speaker 2>advantages to robots and AI. Robots don't get tired, they

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<v Speaker 2>can see better than a human being can, meaning in theory,

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<v Speaker 2>they can select better sperm and insert more reliably into eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>So the hope is that the IVF process can get faster,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, cheaper and better with the help of

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<v Speaker 2>this technology.

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<v Speaker 1>So normally this is where we do our chatamme segment

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<v Speaker 1>where we hit from our listeners about how they're really

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<v Speaker 1>using chatbots. But this week I had the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the hosts of a new podcast called Raising

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<v Speaker 1>Kids in the Age of AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single day I wake up and I go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, you don't have to raise kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to raise kids in the age of

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<v Speaker 2>a phone or a IPEP maybe soon.

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<v Speaker 1>No surviving it yourself. So whether we have kids or not,

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<v Speaker 1>we are living through this sea change about the future

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<v Speaker 1>of how we work, the future, how we interact, and

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<v Speaker 1>how we move through the world in general. And this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast provides actional advice about how to help young people

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<v Speaker 1>use and harness AI. Kaleidoscope is actually one of the

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<v Speaker 1>producers on the show, so I'm biased by ConfL I

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<v Speaker 1>think I do think it's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the hosts of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Alex Catran is the co founder and CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the AI Education Project and the AI Education Project partner

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<v Speaker 1>with Google to create this podcast with us at Kaleidoscope.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex got his start in politics and policy and found

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<v Speaker 1>himself attending all these flashy AI conferences, and Ax became

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<v Speaker 1>consumed by this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you make sure that every kid is having

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<v Speaker 3>the same conversations with the future that the futurists are having.

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<v Speaker 2>And who's the other host?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be doctor Eliza Pressman, who's a developmental psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>and a podcast host and also a parent who's constantly

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<v Speaker 1>talking to other parents about raising kids in the Age

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<v Speaker 1>of AI, and said she felt like she needed better answers.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in a position where parents are asking me about

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<v Speaker 4>this constantly, but I don't, you know, sometimes you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know what you don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>So there have been things that I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 4>I needed to be either worried or excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>I think worried and excited is the balance that we

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<v Speaker 2>strike on this podcast, especially today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll wired and excited about no unknowns, unknown knowns mini brains. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so that's the tone they strike on raising

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the Age of AI. Alex and Eliza have

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of reminding parents and teachers and caregi as

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who interacts with children, there's no time like the present.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think about this like learning journey, you really

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<v Speaker 3>will it will essentially never end. And the good news is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, pretty much all of us are very early

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<v Speaker 3>on in that learning journey. There's almost like there's very

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<v Speaker 3>very few people who have any expertise in AI prior

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<v Speaker 3>to you know, November thirty, twenty twenty two. And so

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<v Speaker 3>really my message to all teachers, to all parents is like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you feel out of your element, if you feel

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<v Speaker 3>like this is that you're in over your head, It's

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<v Speaker 3>like you're in good company.

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<v Speaker 1>The episode of the show that dropped this week is

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<v Speaker 1>actually all about AI in the classroom, and that's something

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have been very interested in. Carara, Alex

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<v Speaker 1>and Alisa talked to a few teachers who are using

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<v Speaker 1>AI and facing its implications with the kids they teach,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're resting with the question of how do we

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<v Speaker 1>motivate students to learn when there's a tool that can

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<v Speaker 1>just give you the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, how do you make sure students are learning

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<v Speaker 2>to use AI without giving into cognitive offloading, which we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Doctor Lisa mentioned one program in particular that gave

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<v Speaker 1>me some hope for how education might be powered by

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<v Speaker 1>rather than corroded by AI.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a course being taught at I believe Tulane

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<v Speaker 4>University which was leaning into the fact that the students,

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<v Speaker 4>of course are using AI. So let's show them how

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<v Speaker 4>they can use AI and then question it and question

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<v Speaker 4>themselves and question each other to show that they understand

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<v Speaker 4>the material.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I think she's saying is it's better to

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<v Speaker 2>not be punitive. It's better to actually engage in a

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<v Speaker 2>real conversation with students who are sort of at the

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<v Speaker 2>forefront of all this technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and I think you know, it's interesting. The education system,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly in Britain, I'm not sure about the US, was

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<v Speaker 1>built around oral exams, and so you know, using AIS

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<v Speaker 1>a discussion prompt and discussion partner rather than a work

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<v Speaker 1>replacer obviously, you know holds real promise. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear more from Alex and Elisa and learn about

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<v Speaker 1>how AI is shaping the future of learning and education,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure to check out Raising Kids in the Age

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<v Speaker 1>of A, available on YouTube, Apple, Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>listen or watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though you didn't get one today, we still

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear those Chat and me submissions. You can

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<v Speaker 2>week for tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Cara Price and I'm as Volochin. This episode was

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