WEBVTT - What Happens to Gaza Under Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Hello everyone, and welcome back to it could

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<v Speaker 1>happen here. I'm Robert Evans, and you know, along with

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<v Speaker 1>all of our other correspondents, I'm looking forward to what

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<v Speaker 1>we can expect from the Trump administration, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>broad and far reaching question given the ambitions that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the others who I think will be involved in

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<v Speaker 1>this new administration have already expressed.

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<v Speaker 2>And the elevator pitch theme of today's episode is what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen in Gaza once Trump is president again?

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<v Speaker 2>Will things get better or worse? Obviously the expectation is worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where certainly the safe money goes if

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<v Speaker 2>you're putting money on this. But the short answer to

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<v Speaker 2>that question is no, one fully knows now. The first

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I did when trying to prepare for this

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<v Speaker 2>episode was tracked down as many articles as I could

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<v Speaker 2>that included interviews with Gozen's about their expectations were largely negative,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little more mixed than you might expect. A

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<v Speaker 2>Reuter's reporter interviewed Abu Osama, living in Conunis in the

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<v Speaker 2>southern Gaza strip. He called Trump's election a quote new

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophe in the history of the Palestinian people, adding despite

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<v Speaker 2>the destruction, death and displacement that we have witnessed, what

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<v Speaker 2>is coming will be more difficult. It will be politically devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>This essentially agrees with what a Palestinian from beit Lahia

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<v Speaker 2>in the Northern Gaza Strip, Ahmed Jerad told Al Jazeera quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Netanyahu are an evil alliance against the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 2>and our fate will be very difficult, not only in

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<v Speaker 2>the fateful issues, but also in our daily concerns. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a sad day for Palestinians. Trump will endorse net

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<v Speaker 2>Nyahu's free hand regarding the possibility of the return of

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<v Speaker 2>settlements to the Gaza Strip and even the displacement of

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<v Speaker 2>large numbers of Palestinians outside it. We hope to return

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<v Speaker 2>to the north, and now all of our hopes have

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<v Speaker 2>and shattered, and unfortunately Jerrod's fears here have been immediately

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<v Speaker 2>proven well founded. On November sixth, as the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the world reeled from Trump's victory, IDF Brigadier General Itzig

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<v Speaker 2>Kohen told Israeli reporters there is no intention of allowing

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<v Speaker 2>the residents of the Northern Gaza Strip to return to

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<v Speaker 2>their homes. Humanitarian aid would only be allowed to enter

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<v Speaker 2>through the south. His justification was that there are no

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<v Speaker 2>more civilians in the north. Reporting from The Guardian interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>several international humanitarian law experts, and the members of that

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<v Speaker 2>likely dying field described Israeli actions here as war crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>The forcible transfer of civilian populations and the use of

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<v Speaker 2>food as a weapon are supposed to be banned. Despite this,

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<v Speaker 2>we can safely assume that there will be no serious

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<v Speaker 2>consequences as a result of any of this. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>timing of this announcement was predominant, and it is not

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<v Speaker 2>unreasonable to suggest that Israel might not have been as

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<v Speaker 2>bold as they're currently being if Harris had won another Gozen.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy year old doctor Zakia Hilal told Al Jazeera it

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<v Speaker 2>is true that American administrations do not differ in supporting Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>but some are more severe and more intense than others,

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<v Speaker 2>like Trump. You can find numerous gosins expressing feelings along

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<v Speaker 2>these lines if you read long enough. But you will

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<v Speaker 2>also find a number who feel like what's coming won't

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<v Speaker 2>be worse, or at least won't be very different from

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<v Speaker 2>what they've already endured. Jehad Malaka, a researcher at the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian Planning Center, told Al Jazeera he does not expect

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's administration to be wildly different from Biden's. In this regard,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump uses rough tools and Biden and the Democrats resort

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<v Speaker 2>to soft tools, but the politics are the same. Biden

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<v Speaker 2>did not make any decision in favor of the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>and was unable to achieve a ceasefire. He did not

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<v Speaker 2>change the reality of the decisions of his predecessor Trump

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<v Speaker 2>at all. The positions of the two administrations regarding Israel

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<v Speaker 2>are the same and identical, and they put its interests

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<v Speaker 2>above all other considerations. You can also find some Gazans

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<v Speaker 2>who see a sliver of hope in Trump's new administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Reuter spoke with the owner of a grocery store in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>Khaled Desuso, who told their reporter, I think Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>if he wins, he promised the Muslim people in America

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<v Speaker 2>to stop the war in Gaza. We hope that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not necessarily absurd to hope that there may

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<v Speaker 2>be some positive effects here. Trump has said many horrible

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<v Speaker 2>things about Palestinians, obviously, several weeks before the election, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a phone call with net Yahoo that may have

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<v Speaker 2>been a vihilation of the Logan Act, although laws don't

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<v Speaker 2>really matter anymore. Here's how Slate dot Com summarized what

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<v Speaker 2>happened in that call. According to Trump, the Israeli leaders

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<v Speaker 2>said he disregarded President Joe Biden's warning to keep troops

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<v Speaker 2>out of Rafa in southern Gaza, a decision that resulted

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<v Speaker 2>in the killing of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in a

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<v Speaker 2>shootout in the area. Trump also said nat Nyahu asked

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<v Speaker 2>him for advice on how to respond to Iran's missile

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<v Speaker 2>attack on his to which Trump said he responded, do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you have to do. Now, that's a dire sign,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is impossible to imagine that a new Trump

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<v Speaker 2>regime won't restart the sale in shipment of specific munitions

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<v Speaker 2>that Biden banned for export to Israel this July. Biden

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<v Speaker 2>halted the shipment of two thousand pound bombs to the

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<v Speaker 2>IDF because quote, they cannot be used in Gazo or

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<v Speaker 2>any populated area without causing great human tragedy and damage. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that munitions like this will very likely be

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<v Speaker 2>used as hideous and I think it's extremely unlikely that

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<v Speaker 2>we do not see an immediate rise in the death toll.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, Israel's extant acts have caused

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<v Speaker 2>great human tragedy and damage. The munitions they have have

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<v Speaker 2>already been responsible for calamitous death and destruction on a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly wide scale. So where's the cause for any optimism

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<v Speaker 2>on this at all? It comes from Trump's own self interest.

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<v Speaker 2>As Khalide de Suso noted, Trump ran promising to end wars.

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<v Speaker 2>This means he does have some vested interest, even if

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<v Speaker 2>only in his own ego, in forcing NETANYAHUO to draw

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<v Speaker 2>things to a close in short order. And there is

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<v Speaker 2>indeed reporting that Trump has told net Nyahu to wrap

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<v Speaker 2>things up by January so that he can take office

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<v Speaker 2>with an end to the conflict and ideally use that

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<v Speaker 2>as a way to kind of bolster his early popularity

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<v Speaker 2>and gain some political capital for the other sweeping changes

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to make. Now. The fact that Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>pushing net Yahoo on ending things in January doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, peaceful ceasefire. For one thing, Nothing is going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen in the months between then and now. To

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the level of bloodshed and almost every likely theoretical

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<v Speaker 2>ends with Israel massively escalating violence and using new, more

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<v Speaker 2>destructive weapons before bringing an end to their campaign. But

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<v Speaker 2>it does mean that Trump might be able to pressure

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<v Speaker 2>bb to bring things to an end. There's a good

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<v Speaker 2>article on this in the BBC. No guarantees Trump will

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<v Speaker 2>give net Nyahoo all he wants now. In that piece,

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<v Speaker 2>East correspondent Lucy Williamson writes, Donald Trump's first term in

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<v Speaker 2>office was exemplary as far as Israel is concerned. Said

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Oran, a former Israeli ambassador to the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>the hope is that he'll revisit that, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>to be very clear sighted about who Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>and what he stands for. Firstly, he said, the former

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<v Speaker 2>president doesn't like wars, seeing them as expensive. Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>urged Israel to finish the war in Gaza quickly. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also not a big fan of israel settlements in the

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<v Speaker 2>occupied West Bank, has set Ambassador Oran, and has opposed

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<v Speaker 2>the wishes of some Israeli leaders to annex parts of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Both of these policies could put him in conflict with

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<v Speaker 2>far right parties in Netanyahu's current governing coalition, who have

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<v Speaker 2>threatened to bring down the government if the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>pursues policies they reject. Michael Orn believes net Yaho will

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<v Speaker 2>need to take a different approach with the incoming president.

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<v Speaker 2>If Donald Trump comes to office in January and says, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a week to finish the war, net Yahoo

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<v Speaker 2>is going to have to respect that. And we'll contain

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<v Speaker 2>you talking about what this means. But first here's semants.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is possible that we will see a quick

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<v Speaker 2>end to the violence in January, and perhaps a quicker

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<v Speaker 2>one than we would have seen under Harris. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>best case scenario and not necessarily the likeliest one, and

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<v Speaker 2>I should re emphasize here that best case scenario still

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<v Speaker 2>means that we will probably see a massive escalation in

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<v Speaker 2>violence as the IDF seeks to force more people out

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<v Speaker 2>of northern Gaza and in the conflict, with a large

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<v Speaker 2>slice of Gaza permanently wrenched from Palestinian control and hand

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<v Speaker 2>it over to Israeli settlers, there is no version of

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<v Speaker 2>what comes next that is not a calamity to the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian people. Now, the signs from within the Israeli government

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<v Speaker 2>on what a new Trump administration means for them are

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<v Speaker 2>certainly bullish, you could say, and reading these tea leaves

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<v Speaker 2>provides very little fuel for optimism. It Mar ben Vere,

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<v Speaker 2>the Minister of National Security, posted yes with several lesses

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<v Speaker 2>and an emoji of a flexed bicep in a post

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. When the first good return started coming

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<v Speaker 2>in for Trump on the day of the election itself,

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<v Speaker 2>and a sign of confidence in the coming results, Bibi

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister Jove Gallant, who had been

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<v Speaker 2>his primary point of contact with the Biden administration. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's harder to imagine a much more direct sign of

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<v Speaker 2>what he wants to do than that. Now. I've struggled

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<v Speaker 2>to present the sweep of possible results of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>it bears reiterating that the bulk of predictions from Gazans

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<v Speaker 2>who are plugged into the politics of the region are

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly negative. Ahmed Fayad, an independent researcher in Israeli affairs

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<v Speaker 2>who currently resides in central Gaza, told Al Jazeera that

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<v Speaker 2>he felt Trump's influence would be entirely negative, adding that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was a quote more dominating figure than Biden and

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<v Speaker 2>his influence would allow net Nyahu to quote conquer Gaza quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Amidst the weakened Palestinian Front and absence of any Arab

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<v Speaker 2>unity and solidarity, the whole Palestinian cause faces its worst

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<v Speaker 2>threat yet. Now. What does bear watching is the degree

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<v Speaker 2>to which BIEB might face threats from his own right flank.

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<v Speaker 2>Net Nyahu himself is almost certainly on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>doing what will please his patron Trump all the more,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would be forcing a quick violent end to

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<v Speaker 2>the fighting and taking northern Gaza as the spoils of war.

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<v Speaker 2>But this might bring him into conflict with radicals on

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<v Speaker 2>his own side, who can't be placated by anything but

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<v Speaker 2>what they would see as total victory. In the event

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<v Speaker 2>net Nyahu feels pushed, it is not impossible that he

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<v Speaker 2>will wind up in conflict with Trump. This has happened before,

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<v Speaker 2>as BB's sense of self preservation led him to take

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<v Speaker 2>actions that enraged Trump. The best example of this took

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<v Speaker 2>place in the immediate aftermath of the twenty two election.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to think back to those happier days,

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<v Speaker 2>b B was again the first world leader to call

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<v Speaker 2>and offer Biden congratulations on his victory, as he was

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump. This is a habit for the man who,

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<v Speaker 2>among other things, is an expert at toadying for favor

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<v Speaker 2>with US leaders. Trump was livid, and he spoke out

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<v Speaker 2>about this, telling Israeli journalist Barak Ravid that he believed

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<v Speaker 2>that he had saved Israel from destruction, and in response,

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<v Speaker 2>Netnyahoo had stabbed him in the back. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>quote now from an article in the BBC. Mister Trump

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<v Speaker 2>accused mister Netnyahuo of congratulating too quickly mister Trump's successor,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden on winning the twenty twenty US election. Mister

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<v Speaker 2>Trump disputed the election result, though his claims were never upheld.

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<v Speaker 2>The first person who congratulated Joe Biden was Bbe, the

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<v Speaker 2>man that I did more for than any other person

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<v Speaker 2>I dealt with. Bibe could have stayed quiet. He has

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<v Speaker 2>made a terrible mistake. He was very early, mister Trump said,

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<v Speaker 2>like earlier than most. I haven't spoken to him since.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck him. I actually don't know that he said fuck

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<v Speaker 2>The actual text of the article says expletive him. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming he said fuck him. I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a fair assumption for me to make. Now, some evidence

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<v Speaker 2>does suggest that Trump and Bib don't personally get along,

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<v Speaker 2>as that quote I just read implies, certainly not to

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<v Speaker 2>the degree that net Nyahu and Biden once did once.

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<v Speaker 2>I should say this may hinge partly on the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump really only believes in himself and his own benefit,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas Joe Biden was a strong and committed believer in

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and was willing to take actions against his own

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<v Speaker 2>political self interest in furtherance of that belief. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>all seen where those actions got him. Just last December,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump attacked net Nahou at an early campaign rally in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, saying bib had quote let us down by

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<v Speaker 2>pulling Israeli support for the operation that killed Iranian General

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<v Speaker 2>Cossum Solomoni at the last minute. He also criticized the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli leader for not being prepared for Hermas's October seventh attack. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be clear here that these divisions between

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<v Speaker 2>both men are blisteringly unlikely to mean anything that approaches

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<v Speaker 2>relief for the Palestinian people, at least in the near term.

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<v Speaker 2>The immediate and probably long term future of Gaza is

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<v Speaker 2>much bleaker today than it was a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>The Guardian recently published an article interviewing former CIA director

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<v Speaker 2>and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. He predicted Trump would give

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<v Speaker 2>Bibe a blank check for aggression, which might invite the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of open war with Iran. Now that's the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing that can lead one to panic, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you assume a guy like Panetta is privy to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of inside information. We may not be, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually not really sure that he is. I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>any evidence from this article that Panetta is speaking from

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<v Speaker 2>direct personal knowledge about extant plans to carry out an attack. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he quoted Trump's description of the call that Trump had

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<v Speaker 2>had with bb before the election, telling net Yahoo, do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you have to do. So Leon may just be

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<v Speaker 2>working from the same information the rest of us have

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<v Speaker 2>and coming to a somewhat different conclusion. I'm not as

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<v Speaker 2>sure as he is about an imminent attack on Iran

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<v Speaker 2>because Trump campaigned heavily on ending wars, and while I

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<v Speaker 2>don't credit Trump is a particularly honest man, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think he sees his personal benefit right now in being

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<v Speaker 2>able to portray himself as a peacemaker, in part because

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<v Speaker 2>he has so much domestically he wants to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>so much else internationally he wants to do. Right expending

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of political capital, dealing with the kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>protests and unrest and even anger from his base that

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<v Speaker 2>a war with Iran would mean, especially once it gets

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<v Speaker 2>bogged down in the kind of violence that would come

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<v Speaker 2>with that. He may not and likely doesn't see that

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<v Speaker 2>as being of benefit to him. Now, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>it will never happen. It doesn't mean his calculus won't change.

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<v Speaker 2>I do foresee some situations in which Trump might decide

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<v Speaker 2>that his personal benefit is in there being a wider

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<v Speaker 2>ground conflict with Iran that US forces get drawn into.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll talk a little bit about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the possibilities around this, and we're getting outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>realm of kind of established fact at this point, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's worth considering some of this. But

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<v Speaker 2>first consider these ads. So, when we talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of a ground conflict with Iran starting between Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Iran, but almost inevitably drawing in more US forces,

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<v Speaker 2>the unknowns and unknown knowns in this situation are pretty staggering.

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<v Speaker 2>If I let myself analyze every possibility, my mind can

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<v Speaker 2>go to some dark places. Trump sees war with Iran

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<v Speaker 2>as a negative. Now I'm quite sure, But how would

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<v Speaker 2>he feel about it in the wake of, say, a

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<v Speaker 2>Musk centered plan to in the federal reserve and tank

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<v Speaker 2>the dollar, in the wake of the changes that all

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<v Speaker 2>of his immigration policies would make on the price of food,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pression era levels of inflation and unemployment returning to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and the attendant social unrest that that

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<v Speaker 2>would cause. If Americans find themselves on the verge of

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<v Speaker 2>food rights, perhaps Trump would gamble on war being the

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<v Speaker 2>best distraction he could manage. It's certainly not impossible. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how useful it is to bury myself

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<v Speaker 2>in theoreticals and probabilities. The known threats are dire enough,

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<v Speaker 2>and they demand full time awareness in order to attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to counter and endure. So instead of spiraling, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave you today with the words of another Ghazan,

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<v Speaker 2>Mohammed R. Mausch. He's a journalist who wrote an article

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<v Speaker 2>for MSNBC right after the election titled My family and

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<v Speaker 2>I Survived the War in Gaza. We know Trump's America

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<v Speaker 2>won't save us, and here's Mohammed For us. The election

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<v Speaker 2>of Donald Trump isn't just a blip on the political

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<v Speaker 2>radar or a shift in foreign policy. It's a challenge

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<v Speaker 2>to sustain existence while the world seems intent on erasing us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about surviving seventy seven years under occupation and over

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<v Speaker 2>a year of all ongoing genocide, the very genocide I

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<v Speaker 2>barely survived last December, when my family and I, including

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<v Speaker 2>my elderly parents and three year old son, were buried

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<v Speaker 2>under the rubble of what was once our home after

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<v Speaker 2>it was struck by an Israeli fired US missal. The

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<v Speaker 2>date December seventh, twenty twenty three. Our bones were crushed

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<v Speaker 2>between layers of concrete and twisted metal as we spent

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<v Speaker 2>hours in the dark, buried together and praying to be

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<v Speaker 2>pulled out in one piece. The trauma of that night,

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<v Speaker 2>in both its physical and emotional toll, of my son's small,

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<v Speaker 2>fragile hand clinging to mind, comes back to me now

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<v Speaker 2>as Trump prepares to take power once more. I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>how American political leader's toy with the idea of change.

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<v Speaker 2>How they dress up their campaigns with grand ideas about

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<v Speaker 2>peace and justice, yet each president brushes off our reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Barack Obama promised hope and change we could believe in,

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<v Speaker 2>yet we got more bombs. Joe Biden offered a different approach,

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<v Speaker 2>pledging and yielding support for Israel, leaving us to live

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<v Speaker 2>through even more horror. Vice President Kamala Harris Niceties included

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<v Speaker 2>no concrete promises to protect Palestinians, but she did pledge

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<v Speaker 2>to continue financial support for Israel, and Trump's blundness as

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<v Speaker 2>he promises to come back swinging reminds us not to

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<v Speaker 2>hold out hope for change. So, you know, not much

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<v Speaker 2>optimism here, but I do really recommend reading that article

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<v Speaker 2>that MSNBC published. You know, it's bleak, but important, especially

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<v Speaker 2>given the fact that you know we may be soon

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<v Speaker 2>entering a world where it would be harder for people

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<v Speaker 2>like Muhammad to express their feelings and their truth to

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<v Speaker 2>an audience. I don't think it's unlikely that a clamp

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<v Speaker 2>down is coming on some of these things. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to say how extensive it will be, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>threat that you know, Israel and their backers see in

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<v Speaker 2>the way that public sympathy has built so quickly for

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza in a way that wasn't present with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of previous stages of violence between Israel in Gaza. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the result of a lot of videos spreading

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. It's the result on of voices from

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza getting out and getting to people in a way

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<v Speaker 2>they really hadn't before. And so one thing that does

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<v Speaker 2>worry me greatly when I think about what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in Gaza under President Trump is not just what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen to the people living there right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but what's going to happen to their ability to tell

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<v Speaker 2>their story, to get information out to the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very much an open question at this moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's certainly one that should be on your lips,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's one that we will be investigating here at

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<v Speaker 2>cool Zone as long as we're able to continue doing

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<v Speaker 2>that until next time. I'm Robert Evans. We'll be back

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