WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Adam Liptak

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and new polling from YouGov econ miss

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<v Speaker 1>shows a slow but steady decline in mail support for

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<v Speaker 1>the president over the past three months, slipping to forty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent approval fifty three percent disapproval. It's down eleven points.

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<v Speaker 1>We have such a great show for you today. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly unpopular agenda. Then we'll talk to The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times his own Adam Liptik that originalism and the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court and all the stuff they're doing to reshape our government.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Smile the tariffs. As we know, mister Trump loves to

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<v Speaker 2>pretend it's other countries paying for them, but really they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost companies one point two trillion this year

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<v Speaker 2>and that will mostly hit the consumers and have them

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<v Speaker 2>pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tariffs are going to cost one point two trillillion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>this year. They're going to be paid by consumers. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico not building the wall nor paying for the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the study published on Thursday, SMP Global found

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<v Speaker 1>that companies are now expected to pay one point two

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars more than twenty twenty five expenses. You know why,

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<v Speaker 1>because Donald Trump put a tax on the consumers with tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what happened. What we told you would happen, Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's happened. I am not surprised by this even a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It is what we knew was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Tariffs and trade barriers act as taxes. That's right, Tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>are taxes. There are corporate taxes paid by the consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has done this to us, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>his deminimous rule has made everything even more expensive. That

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<v Speaker 1>means that things valued at less than eight hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which usually would not be taxed, are now being tariff

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<v Speaker 1>to the hell out of them. So you want to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a two hundred dollars vacuum cleaner, that's now a

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars vacuum cleaner, a two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty dollars vacuum cleaner. Everything from cooking oil to dish.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Yale Budget Lab estimate in August that Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>latest tariffs will cost US households about twenty four one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's real good stuff there. It's really going to

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<v Speaker 2>go great going into the holiday season for employment and

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<v Speaker 2>growth in our country Somali. Trump is wetting the bed

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<v Speaker 2>over Thomas Massey. He says he's got to go from Congress. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why is it the sky Epstein that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was best friends with.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that sounds like I said, yeah, no, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this is incredible stuff we have. Basically, Thomas Massey wants

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files released. Donald Trump has some worries about

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files, as one does when your name is

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<v Speaker 1>in that file. I don't think the Epstein files are

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<v Speaker 1>going away. And this week Virginia Dufrain's posthumous memoir will

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<v Speaker 1>be published, and I think it's going to mean I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it already means that Prince Andrew he is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>the Duke of York.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, He's just like a snowmall, except except sex predator.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so look, Epstein's not going away. If Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>could get rid of Thomas Massey, Ebstein still wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>going away. Let's see how this goes. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Trump should continue attacking him. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Thomas Massey understands government. I think he's a grandstander,

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<v Speaker 1>says Donald Trump, the man who understands government really really well.

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<v Speaker 1>He's known for his understandment of government. He's a high

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<v Speaker 1>government understander.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds about right to me, government understander.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So a US federal judge has ordered Ice to wear

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<v Speaker 2>body cameras in Chicago. I'm always shocked at when you

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<v Speaker 2>see this footage, which ones you see wearing the body

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and which ones you don't like. In New York,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like every time I see the footage, I

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<v Speaker 2>see the body cameras on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there's a reason that cops started wearing barso

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<v Speaker 1>cameras because courts couldn't trust what they were saying. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like Ice might have to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>body camera game. Two. I wonder if Peter Thiel makes

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<v Speaker 1>body cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like pell and teers type of business.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know the reason they're doing this is because

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<v Speaker 1>Ice is killing people. I mean, here's what happens. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a country that has laws until Donald Trump stops

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<v Speaker 1>having them, and so the body cameras are here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have Les Lisel's shotguns, ammunitions launchers, pepperballs, tear

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<v Speaker 1>gas which they use pretty much indiscriminately. Well, now they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to take videos of it. The irony

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<v Speaker 1>here is that Ice loves to videotape themselves. Christy No

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<v Speaker 1>basically exists for YouTube. So good luck boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a feeling that's not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>well for them. It's considering they're beating congressional candidates with

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<v Speaker 2>the tons and throwing them on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, speak for yourself. I think it's going to go great.

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<v Speaker 2>So my Jim Justice reportedly one of the laziest senators

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<v Speaker 2>we've ever had. He doesn't want to show up to

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<v Speaker 2>work for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>She flies to work sometimes on his jet. That is energy,

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<v Speaker 1>my man, that is energy. And also he is very.

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<v Speaker 2>Old, I know. And I have to tell you, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like a funny thing. Is like we've

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<v Speaker 2>often talked about prop dogs and politics over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love that baby dog does it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I hate to see that Mamana has a

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<v Speaker 2>tax scene against him because he ate paid his taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's no fucking laws in this country anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this probably predates Trump. My guess is yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Justice and his wife Kathy have a total bounds of

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<v Speaker 1>more than eight million dollars in unpaid assessments, money that

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<v Speaker 1>he spends on his private jet travel. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to say. First of all, he's supposedly a billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>many times over, so he should just pay his fucking taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>And also he should try to, perhaps apps get a

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<v Speaker 1>apartment in the district of Columbia where he works. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just but though maybe the government will be shut down

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<v Speaker 1>forever and he won't need to. But it's good to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope not. My wife really needs a paycheck soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He's a reliable ally for President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe President Trump will give him a preemptive pardon.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see, what's part of your tax payments.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's pardon your tax payments after all Trump has done

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<v Speaker 1>Morse Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Partisan

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<v Speaker 1>and the host of the Enemy's List.

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<v Speaker 3>Rick Wilson Molly John Fast, how are you, my friend?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read your statistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm here for your.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always fun when i'd come in with things I

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<v Speaker 1>want to read. Adding to our new data are estimated

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<v Speaker 1>turnout for the No King's Day protest yesterday has risen

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<v Speaker 1>to five point five million, with an upper bound of

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<v Speaker 1>eight point seven million, taking at the largest single day

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<v Speaker 1>political pro test in US history. This excludes the first

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been to two No Kings protests in my little

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<v Speaker 4>town of Tallahassee, Florida. The first one had about five

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people, and this one was much much, much larger

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<v Speaker 4>in a town with three hundred thousand people, which is significant,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was it was replicating across the country. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's interesting because in every single one of these places

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<v Speaker 4>you saw yesterday, everybody just absolutely just like they're doing

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<v Speaker 4>in Portland now and in Chicago, they absolutely refused to

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<v Speaker 4>play to the bullshit Maga narrative. They absolutely refused. They're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna have fun, we're gonna bring American flags, we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be cheerful and singing and happy, and then we're

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<v Speaker 4>not gonna let them play the game of.

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<v Speaker 3>The Communists are trying to take over with the pro

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<v Speaker 3>humus you blah blah blah. They just wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>It struck me yesterday when I was walking through all

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<v Speaker 4>these people, this was a younger crowd than the first

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<v Speaker 4>No Kings rally, a lot more young people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually really important.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it struck me that the the edginess and

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<v Speaker 4>the huge of this one was much more front and

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<v Speaker 4>center than the first one. And the first one people

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<v Speaker 4>seemed very scared.

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<v Speaker 3>This one.

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<v Speaker 4>They seemed there was also like an edge of like haha,

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<v Speaker 4>fuck you. Like I was walking up and I see

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the the the you know, derriguar inflatable frogs,

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<v Speaker 4>and I saw a baby shark and it turned out

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<v Speaker 4>a friend of mine who I had no clue about

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<v Speaker 4>her politics, was in baby shark.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, I had no clue about her politics at all,

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, wait, what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>You what?

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<v Speaker 4>I think It was a bad day for them, and

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<v Speaker 4>they had to resort to Donald Trump posting really crap

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<v Speaker 4>AI slop memes of him pooping on people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday was a high stakes day. If oh, yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>had been no turnouts, we would have been in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble. Right, If there hadn't been millions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have meant talk us through that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think if yesterday had been a flop,

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<v Speaker 4>if yesterday had been a had been had been a wheeze,

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<v Speaker 4>we would have the Maga media and Maga influencer space

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<v Speaker 4>would be absolutely running rings around everybody today, jumping up

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<v Speaker 4>in victory sing Donald Trump is the most beloved president ever.

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<v Speaker 4>But instead you have Bright Bart leading with a story

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<v Speaker 4>about Trump posting the poop video, and you have Fox

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<v Speaker 4>talking about, oh, the Democrats shutdown all day today. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's telling that they that they did not

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<v Speaker 4>get what the Republicans did not get what they were

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<v Speaker 4>hoping for out of this weekend, which was violence, anti Americans, images, arrests,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera. From my understanding, the only arra and I

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<v Speaker 4>was actually looking in this rabbit hole earlier, the only

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<v Speaker 4>arrest I could find was of a MAGA guy who

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<v Speaker 4>showed up at a rally I think it was in Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 4>don't quote me on that, with a gun. But he

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<v Speaker 4>was a Maga guy because he'd been told that Hamas

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<v Speaker 4>was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, because we the boy host press secretary said

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<v Speaker 1>that all Democrats were Hamas.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Hamas pro terrorist, all violent radical lectice the usual

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<v Speaker 4>gibber jabber out of her pie hole.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, Molly, I got I gonna say this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Carolyn Lovitt, you know, it is one thing

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<v Speaker 4>for me to make your mom joke on Twitter, but

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<v Speaker 4>at some point even the magas are like, is the

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<v Speaker 4>White House reduced to being like a D grade trolling shop?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what jade Van says.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason jad Evans came out to defend the Young

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<v Speaker 4>Nazi Youth League eg the YRS this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically the Young Republican chat. This was a big

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<v Speaker 1>piece in Politico. They said things like I love Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to.

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<v Speaker 3>Put so and so in the gas chamber, right, all that, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things that I'm struck by

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<v Speaker 1>with Jada Vance is he will defend any bad behavior

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<v Speaker 1>on the rights because.

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<v Speaker 4>He's running for president in twenty twenty eight and he

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<v Speaker 4>follows the Steve Bannon rule there are no enemies to

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<v Speaker 4>my right flank, So he is willing to defend Nazis. Molly,

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta tell you, the Republican Party I was a

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<v Speaker 4>part of for a long time had many, many, many,

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<v Speaker 4>many flaws. But any person in the party who was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I love Hitler, Brown people are monkeys all that crap.

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<v Speaker 4>They would have been fired, they would have been cast out.

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<v Speaker 4>These people. And by the way, folks, for those of

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<v Speaker 4>you listening, if you think that's the only racist group,

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<v Speaker 4>chat among the yrs, I haven't reach brand. This is

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<v Speaker 4>what they are now, the screeching. Don't call us Nazis,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, Well, stop saying Nazi shit and believing Nazi

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<v Speaker 4>things and thinking about Nazi outcomes for your political enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>See you have these no King's day, you have millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people, then you have this poor poll and you

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<v Speaker 1>have Trump not polling well in all sorts of underwater

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<v Speaker 1>on the economy and migration. That does Trump not see

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<v Speaker 1>these polls? Do people not show them to him?

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<v Speaker 4>Tony Fabrizio, who has been his polster now for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time, Tony the pollster.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not a stupid guy. He's not a stupid guy.

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<v Speaker 5>He is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also known to be a pretty good pollster.

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<v Speaker 4>Rights from getting too. He is incredible and qualified poles.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not generating numbers that are just made up fantasy numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not mutant res Musen right right right, who just

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<v Speaker 4>literally make up like how many we please the king?

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<v Speaker 4>But I will say this, he's also not going to

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<v Speaker 4>bring Donald bad news, because that's a quick way in

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<v Speaker 4>Trump World to get sent out into the ether, to

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<v Speaker 4>get fired, to get dismissed, to get ignored. They know

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<v Speaker 4>how bad Trump's numbers are, but like so much of

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<v Speaker 4>what goes on in Trump World. Now, the reason Trump

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<v Speaker 4>says my approval rating is ninety seven percent is because

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<v Speaker 4>they will now go out and say, well, mister President,

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<v Speaker 4>our numbers have some issues here and there, but we

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<v Speaker 4>found this poll from Red Eagle, Palin Polling or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>that says you're so popular, and he will seize on

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<v Speaker 4>the inaccurate bait and ignore the unpalatable truth. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but his polling is continued to slip, continue to drop,

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<v Speaker 4>continue to get into into worse and worse and worse areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about what happens now. We have Trump World

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<v Speaker 1>bombing little ships in the Caribbean, patriating survivors, because why

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<v Speaker 1>explain to what's happening here in American international diplomacy? Killing

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<v Speaker 1>it right is the hash.

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<v Speaker 3>Just well with the emphasis on the killing part.

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<v Speaker 1>With emphasis killing.

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<v Speaker 4>So so what they've done is declared a undeclared war

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<v Speaker 4>on Venezuela. Now, folks, why because the Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>in the Epstein files. I kid you not, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>is in the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I will give you another.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's another art, there's another reason they're doing this.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a philosophical construct among the modern authoritarians where

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<v Speaker 4>the world should below Russia should own Europe, China should

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<v Speaker 4>own Asia, and America should own American north and South.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is sort of the the tripart height vision

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<v Speaker 4>of the world that a lot of these maga populace

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<v Speaker 4>really love.

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<v Speaker 3>Maduro is sitting.

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<v Speaker 4>On a gigantic amount of oil and natural gas off

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<v Speaker 4>the coast of Venezuela. It is essentially Saudi Arabia with jungles. Now, look, Maduro.

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<v Speaker 4>There are no Maduro fans or defenders in America. Nobody

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<v Speaker 4>wakes up and goes man that Maduro is a great guy.

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<v Speaker 4>But what Trump has done is under the disguise of saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>these are drug smuggling boats, which we have never seen

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<v Speaker 4>evidence of. By the way, this government has never produced

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<v Speaker 4>a single shred of information or evidence or documents that

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<v Speaker 4>say that these drug boats are drug boats. Their entire

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<v Speaker 4>amount of evidence is trust me bro. So a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of them seem to be fishing boats. We are not

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<v Speaker 4>using the traditional targeting and intelligence process to identify these boats.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not using standard intelligence vetting processes to identify

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<v Speaker 4>these boats. And that is why the four star general

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<v Speaker 4>who runs Southern Command, which is that's the area of

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<v Speaker 4>operation that Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>Falls under, just resigned.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he said, I can't do this. We're not this

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<v Speaker 4>is not We're not being behaving legally or ethically. Is

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<v Speaker 4>if you know how to read military code language. He

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<v Speaker 4>was basically saying, I'm not going to be a part

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<v Speaker 4>of a goddamn war crime. And that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're probably shooting up a bunch of fishermen. A lot

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<v Speaker 4>of these boats are are of a design that is

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<v Speaker 4>not meant to cross almost one thousand miles of ocean

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<v Speaker 4>between Venezuela and Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>They're fishing boats.

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<v Speaker 4>But Stephen Miller and p Heseth and Donald Trump have

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<v Speaker 4>decided this is a great distraction. We're going to have

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<v Speaker 4>a triumph when we depose Maduro and we install a

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<v Speaker 4>pro Maga, pro Western government in Caracas. I will tell

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<v Speaker 4>you that, you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done really well.

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<v Speaker 4>My Spanish isn't great, but I don't think we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be greeted as liberators speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Of problems in the world and ethical lapses. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has freed the political an are known as George Santos.

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<v Speaker 4>George Santos will soon be named as the Viceroy of

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<v Speaker 4>the newly conquered American colony of Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which we call Miami South.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing here? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Listen? Santos is a great.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not the restitution now, by the way, because he

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<v Speaker 1>decided he didn't want it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's commuted.

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<v Speaker 4>Mago wants to hear and needs to hear one message.

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<v Speaker 4>We're immune from consequence, We're immune from accountability. We can

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<v Speaker 4>commit any crime we want and Trump will pardon us,

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<v Speaker 4>get out of jail free. In a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 4>And somebody said this to media, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 4>was really smart in a lot of ways. George Santos

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<v Speaker 4>being freed was a lot was a message to a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of these ice agents on the street. Interesting, you

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<v Speaker 4>can commit crimes, He's going to take care of you.

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<v Speaker 4>You can commit crime as long as you stay loyal,

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<v Speaker 4>he'll take care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Or there's something else.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what Santos would have on Trump. God

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<v Speaker 4>got God, God.

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<v Speaker 1>Knows, or somebody's doing someone a favor.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, or it's Roger Stone like cashing a shit. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, but look in terms of like the least

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<v Speaker 4>sympathetic figures, and Trump has pardoned seven I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>seven now ex Republican members of Congress who.

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<v Speaker 3>All were in jail or going to jail for criming.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, not political questions, not like were they supporting jan

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<v Speaker 4>Sis like stealing money or taking bribes. And that message

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<v Speaker 4>is to say to people on Trump's side, we don't

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<v Speaker 4>play by their rules.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have to be accountable.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you can cash in, you can abuse your power,

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<v Speaker 4>do what you want to do, go buck wild.

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<v Speaker 3>We're here for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the Santo thing bites him in the

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<v Speaker 1>ass because he's a guy who will not shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>He's everywhere. You have all of these maga Republicans who

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<v Speaker 1>voted so him out of Congress. Now they have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>The New York delegation, the New York delegation, including a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of very reliable Trump allies like Mike Lawler and

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<v Speaker 4>at least the Phonic We're like, no, bro, this ain't it.

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<v Speaker 3>This ain't the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, and Stephanic is running for governor in her like

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<v Speaker 1>Trump adjacent but a little trumpy, but not that trumpy,

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<v Speaker 1>but sort of trumpy.

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<v Speaker 3>I call it just the tip trump Ism, but nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you could get. You can always get the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of most offensive way to you know, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>But sure the lack of gentility, yes, continue.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, but at least I'm not sending out videos of

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<v Speaker 4>people pooping on of their people like Trump did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. See, do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>His staff is trolling him?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's the comp you want? No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding. I want you to get back to Stefanic

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<v Speaker 1>because I want to talk about the New Jersey governor's

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<v Speaker 1>race for a minute. So two twenty twenty five races

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<v Speaker 1>happening in sixteen days. One is this Virginia race for

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<v Speaker 1>where Spamburger is probably gonna win against win Sears.

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<v Speaker 5>Sears.

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<v Speaker 3>Wins Seers sounds like a cowboy name and she.

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<v Speaker 1>But when she talks, she just sounds like a lunatic.

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<v Speaker 4>She sounds like somebody who's wandering the streets talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how that somebody put a chip in her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, Winsome Sears wins seers.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like you hear it tell you, like,

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<v Speaker 3>are the voices in the room rate with you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Spamberger's got that locked up.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I won't say locked up.

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<v Speaker 4>They had a little speed bump with this a G guy,

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<v Speaker 4>which the Republicans tried to convert on, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna change it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the AG sent a text to someone in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, right that was like we should That was terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying like you should kill a candidate because that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way they'll learn. Terrible, Also indefensible, indefensible and moronic.

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<v Speaker 1>And also like when you read the text, it's worse

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<v Speaker 1>because his way of explaining it is stupid too, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's all stupid and that. But they run on different tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, don't vote for em okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, which and I think she's navigated that. Spanberger has

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<v Speaker 4>navigated that pretty well. But that rate look in Virginia,

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<v Speaker 4>I know from our polling in Virginia that has not

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<v Speaker 4>really changed. The Spanberger equation. Sears is in the classic

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<v Speaker 4>trap Trump's not on the ballot. The negative outcomes of

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is in Virginia from DOJE and projects twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five cuts and everything else are on the ballot, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard for Sears to say I'm going to bring

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<v Speaker 4>back a great economic revival to Virginia when Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>has taking one hundred and twenty thousand jobs out of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know that is a state where the externalities

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump are hurting. I think it's also to go

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<v Speaker 4>back to New Jersey for a second. I think Chittarelli

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<v Speaker 4>now has to with Trump canceling a gigantic infrastructure project

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<v Speaker 4>that would have directly benefited New Jersey, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>responsible for a lot of high paying jobs in New

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<v Speaker 4>Jersey and Trump just killed it because President Russell Vaught

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<v Speaker 4>decided he was going to kill it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the interesting things about the shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk to reporters who talked to this White House

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll say, these guys are thrilled with the shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what they'll say. They feel they're winning the shutdown,

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<v Speaker 1>they feel emboldened, they feel powerful, And I say, to

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<v Speaker 1>these people, shut the fuck up. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear how they're spending you. Number One and also this

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<v Speaker 1>shutdown is now becoming about russ vaught canceling programs that

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<v Speaker 1>were already in you know, some of them are being built.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of these things are already done or already i

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<v Speaker 4>mean the contracts are done there way welt built. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and none of it, none of it when you get down.

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<v Speaker 3>To it, Molly has the.

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<v Speaker 4>The uplift of like, we're cutting corruption, we're cutting fraud

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<v Speaker 4>wasted because none of that's about this. Trump is deliberately saying,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going out to cut democratic programs. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>cut the things you like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring it punish. I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government to punish states that didn't vote for me.

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<v Speaker 4>He's now and especially on on now that we're in

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<v Speaker 4>the now that we're in Mike Johnson's new phase of bsing,

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<v Speaker 4>why this why the shutdown is here. No, we would

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<v Speaker 4>come back anytime as long as the Democrats agree to

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<v Speaker 4>endorse everything we want above and beyond just the budget.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have these pocket recisions, were going to do

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<v Speaker 1>this anyway, signed off on a budget, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration werecinded five billion dollars in foreign aid because

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<v Speaker 1>of vibes and even you have Republicans saying like why

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<v Speaker 1>would they trust?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>The Republicans are hearing from their own pulse. Okay, not

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<v Speaker 4>from the White House, not from you know, smoke up

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<v Speaker 4>your ass, Rasmussen Poles or Trafowger Poles.

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<v Speaker 3>They're hearing from their own polsters.

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<v Speaker 4>You're taking the blame. You're the ones who won't come back.

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<v Speaker 4>You're taking the blame. I don't think that the House

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<v Speaker 4>candidates have a lot longer to run before the pressure

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<v Speaker 4>on them politically reaches the point where one or two

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<v Speaker 4>of them go to Mike Johnson. And if one or

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<v Speaker 4>two of them go to Mike john say Boss, you're

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<v Speaker 4>killing me, it will start a cascade. They understand that

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<v Speaker 4>America the broad question across the country. We have now

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<v Speaker 4>had ten surveys since the shutdown among likely voters where

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<v Speaker 4>they blame the Republicans by somewhere between six and eighteen points.

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<v Speaker 4>This is bad, bad, bad for the Republicans. And no

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<v Speaker 4>matter how magga they are on paper, no candidate in

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<v Speaker 4>the end is going to burn himself down over a shutdown.

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<v Speaker 4>That is going to brand them as somebody who was

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<v Speaker 4>willing to burn hit their own constituents it's not going

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<v Speaker 4>to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end.

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<v Speaker 1>You see Trump trying a redistrict that keeps going. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a world where they hit themselves in the head

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<v Speaker 1>with us.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a world where the collapses in various national

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<v Speaker 4>real estate markets, the terrible jobs outlook, the terrible economic picture,

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<v Speaker 4>the continued damage of the tariffs, the shutdown. They've become

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<v Speaker 4>the party causing the problem. They become the people causing

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<v Speaker 4>the problem. And I think that's a bad place for

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<v Speaker 4>them to be in the fall of the year before

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<v Speaker 4>a big, consequential election where the picture is not going

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<v Speaker 4>to get any prettier.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson Bolly Junk Fast Adam Leptik covers the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court for the New York Times and writes sidebar, a

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<v Speaker 1>column on legal developments. Welcome to Fast Politics, Adam.

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<v Speaker 5>It's good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are one of the very smart people who

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<v Speaker 1>write about the Supreme Court who I try to always read.

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<v Speaker 1>You write about other stuff too. I mean I do

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<v Speaker 1>write about courts, more generally.

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<v Speaker 5>I write about the law. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a very interesting and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>probably disturbing time to be writing that law. But you

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this piece that absolutely captured my imagination about originalism.

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<v Speaker 1>So give us a sort of why originalism matters, who

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is, who's sort of one of the fathers

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<v Speaker 1>of originalism, and sort of why this is so important.

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<v Speaker 6>So, originalism is a theory of how to interpret the

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<v Speaker 6>Constitution that conservatives generally like. And it says the task

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<v Speaker 6>of the judge is to unearth discover the original meaning

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<v Speaker 6>of the constitutional text when it was drafted and ratified,

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<v Speaker 6>and that is said to constrain judges. It doesn't allow

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<v Speaker 6>them to make up rights like conservatives state that the

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<v Speaker 6>Warrant Court did in the sixties. And it generally yields

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<v Speaker 6>conservative results, generally, not always. And the Supreme Court's conservative

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<v Speaker 6>majority generally claims that originalism is their touchdown, the guide,

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<v Speaker 6>and when you look at it, it's not clear that

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<v Speaker 6>they're always being faithful to their own interpretive methodology. This guy, yes, So,

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<v Speaker 6>Caleb Nelson is one of a handful of really respected

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<v Speaker 6>originalist scholars. A straight shooter teaches at the University of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 6>Clerk for Clarence Thomas has been cited an extraordinary number

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<v Speaker 6>of times at the Supreme Court. A single citation for

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<v Speaker 6>a scholar is a great honor. He's been cited maybe

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<v Speaker 6>more than a dozen times, and by every single one

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<v Speaker 6>of the six members of the current Conservative supermajority. And

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<v Speaker 6>the Court will soon answer a question that it's been

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<v Speaker 6>ramping up over the years to answer. And it's particularly

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<v Speaker 6>a salient now under Trump, who keeps firing the heads

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<v Speaker 6>of supposedly independent agencies. And that question is does the

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<v Speaker 6>president have an unfettered right to remove people in the

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<v Speaker 6>executive branch even when Congress says no, you have to

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<v Speaker 6>have a good reason. And the Court's going to hear

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<v Speaker 6>arguments about this in December, and just as that argument

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<v Speaker 6>is coming up, Caleb Nelson weighs in and says, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what, I'm an originalist and I don't see the

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 6>originalist argument for this. The Constitution says something about how

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<v Speaker 6>officials are appointed, you know, President Jesus Senate confirms it

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<v Speaker 6>says nothing about removal. In so many words, removal was

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<v Speaker 6>never discussed at the Constitutional Convention.

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<v Speaker 5>There's mixed evidence from the.

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<v Speaker 6>Early years of Congress, and there's no good originalist reason

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<v Speaker 6>to think that Congress, which is granted the constitutional authority

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<v Speaker 6>to shape and manage the executive branch along many dimensions

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<v Speaker 6>can't do this.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, and another.

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<v Speaker 6>Originalist scholar, William Bode, on social media, called this paper

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<v Speaker 6>a bombshell, and when I happened to run into him

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<v Speaker 6>not long ago, he.

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<v Speaker 5>Said to me, Caleb Nelson is never wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>And while I don't think this is going to change

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<v Speaker 6>where the court is heading because it's been a long trajectory,

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<v Speaker 6>it's certainly to complicate the case.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I want you to explain is is this

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<v Speaker 1>a real schism or not.

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<v Speaker 6>There's an academic side to this, and I think some

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<v Speaker 6>academics really do follow the evidence where it leads, and

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<v Speaker 6>this will influence the scholarly debate. Does it, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of dynamite the judicial project? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a good argument to be made that

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<v Speaker 6>originalism is often a kind of thig leaf. It's available

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<v Speaker 6>to you if it helps you reach the result you

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<v Speaker 6>want to reach. It's a surprisingly malleable interpretive methodology because

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<v Speaker 6>depending on what level of generality you approach the question at,

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<v Speaker 6>you can get liberal or conservative results out of it.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think it more illuminates that this supposedly neutral

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<v Speaker 6>and constraining methodology is in fact nothing of the sort.

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<v Speaker 6>And you see that in these cases on executive power,

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<v Speaker 6>where the court doesn't really look to the historical materials,

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<v Speaker 6>it looks to what it's a conception of what the

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<v Speaker 6>president should be able to do or not. That was

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<v Speaker 6>really most evident last year in the City granting Trump immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought of a Roberts Court. It's really not

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<v Speaker 1>the Roberts go anymore, really, but that the Roberts Court

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<v Speaker 1>was always cared a lot about appearances, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make things look a certain way. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>as if the last two cycles that has not been

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<v Speaker 1>as important.

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<v Speaker 6>We're so polarized that it's hard to see straight and

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<v Speaker 6>it's hard for a court, even one that wants to

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<v Speaker 6>appear measured and incremental and governed by law and institutionalist,

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<v Speaker 6>to satisfy every constituency These days, from the perspective of

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<v Speaker 6>the left, the Court has really given Trump the green

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<v Speaker 6>light to do all kinds of really aggressive things to

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<v Speaker 6>the government and not stood in his way at all. So,

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<v Speaker 6>if the Chief Justices goal is to preserve the authority, integrity,

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<v Speaker 6>legitimacy of the Court, he has some real challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's true. But the voting rights case on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>the oral arguments.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is a good example of where we are right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk us through that.

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<v Speaker 6>So in nineteen sixty five, the civil rights movement achieved

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<v Speaker 6>one of its landmark victories with the enactment of the

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<v Speaker 6>Voting Rights Act, for which people literally bled and died,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was meant to protect minority, particularly black voting rights,

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<v Speaker 6>and particularly in the South, whereas you know, the lawless

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<v Speaker 6>Southern officials had stopped black people from voting pretty completely.

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<v Speaker 6>The Supreme Court, in the Roberts era has gutted one

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<v Speaker 6>main component of the Voting Rights Act, it's Section five,

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<v Speaker 6>which requires federal approval of voting changes and jurisdictions with

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<v Speaker 6>the history of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 5>But it left standing another.

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<v Speaker 6>Part of the law, which allows after the fact lawsuits,

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<v Speaker 6>Section two. And in an argument this week, it sure

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<v Speaker 6>seemed like the Court was either going to outright strike

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<v Speaker 6>down Section two as unconstitutional or at least severely limited.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's thinking is somewhat like it's thinking in the

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<v Speaker 6>Affronative Action case from Harvard and UNC. The originalists on

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<v Speaker 6>the Court claimed that the original understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 6>which was adopted to protect black people, actually adopted a

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<v Speaker 6>colorblind view of the Constitution, so that a congressionally enacted

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<v Speaker 6>statute like the Voting Rights Act, which takes a counter

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<v Speaker 6>of rays and tries to help historically disadvantaged people, runs

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<v Speaker 6>a fell of the Constitution. And if it were to

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<v Speaker 6>take that step, that would be a major blow to

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<v Speaker 6>this landmark legislation, and it would have a practical effect

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<v Speaker 6>also of helping Republicans in the midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, were you surprised by those oral arguments?

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<v Speaker 6>I guess a little bit the kind of signal that

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<v Speaker 6>they were up to something because they had heard arguments

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<v Speaker 6>about in this very case last term, and instead of

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<v Speaker 6>deciding it, they set it down to consider larger issues.

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<v Speaker 6>And whenever the Court does that, it did that in

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<v Speaker 6>Citizens United. It turned a little case into a big case.

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<v Speaker 6>How you have the sense that they're turning it into

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<v Speaker 6>a big case. But the receptivity of the conservative justices

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<v Speaker 6>to some of the broader arguments and did surprise me

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<v Speaker 6>a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Us in that case, the only people who would be

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<v Speaker 1>able to save it would be Amy, Coney and Roberts Well.

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<v Speaker 6>That's you identified the middle of the court. Sometimes Brett

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.239
<v Speaker 6>Kavanaugh is also in the middle of the court. But

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<v Speaker 6>he was very He has this idea that he was

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<v Speaker 6>pressing at the argument that the Voting Rights Act might

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<v Speaker 6>have been well and good for a while, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>reached its sell by date.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no more racism.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, And it's not clear that statutes have a sell

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<v Speaker 6>by date.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not clear that America has ended racism right.

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<v Speaker 6>And Section two requires courts to look at contemporary circumstances,

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<v Speaker 6>So you have to prove that minority voters are being

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<v Speaker 6>disadvantaged to win your case anyway. So I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 6>that makes a ton of sense. That also has an

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<v Speaker 6>echo with the affirmative action case, where in two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and two Justice Senrede O'Connor, you didn't expect we'd need

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<v Speaker 6>affirmative action in twenty five years, and the Court got

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<v Speaker 6>rid of it a couple of years early.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of the things that we see them decide

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<v Speaker 1>seem like they are very politically advantageous for the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the justices think that that's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm prepared to believe that the justices, all the

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<v Speaker 6>justices are operating in good faith, and if you gave

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<v Speaker 6>them ali detector test, they believe that they were applying

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<v Speaker 6>legal principles to achieve legal results. But they were picked

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<v Speaker 6>for these jobs because people knew how they think, and

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 6>they were picked for these jobs by sophisticated politicians the

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<v Speaker 6>president of the Senate, in order to achieve certain goals.

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<v Speaker 6>And they have quite consistently voted as their appointing presidents

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<v Speaker 6>might like. So this question of you know, are they

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<v Speaker 6>acting in bad faith is maybe not the most important question.

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<v Speaker 5>The question is what are the votes and what are

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<v Speaker 5>the results?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point. It seems as if the

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<v Speaker 1>only person who is as add to the court who

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<v Speaker 1>has been at all surprising has been Justice Spared.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Justice Bart is an interesting figure.

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<v Speaker 6>She does seem to have both common sense and intellectual rigor,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's easy to overstate how much she has transgressed,

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<v Speaker 6>how much she has stepped away from the usual conservative

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<v Speaker 6>line in all the big cases, all the big cases abortion,

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 6>affirmative action, guns, immunity. Whenever she might have had an

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 6>opportunity to truly surprise, she did not and went along

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 6>with the majority. In less important cases, she has been

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<v Speaker 6>the justice most likely to vote with the liberals.

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<v Speaker 1>This is true, right, But that's a good point. And

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>what she says in oral arguments is irrelevant if she

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<v Speaker 1>then votes with the majority.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, agreed, and I mean I respect her she an

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 6>oral argument. She is a very rigorous thinker, and unlike

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 6>some justices who seem inclined to make speeches rather than

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<v Speaker 6>and try to elicit information from the advocates, she's authentically

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<v Speaker 6>trying to get to the bottom of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the Supreme Court? Since you've covered

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<v Speaker 1>the courts for such a long time through different incarnations, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Covered the Court for seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm actually stepping away from the daily beat coverage, but

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<v Speaker 6>I have some history.

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<v Speaker 2>With the court.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventeen years a long time. Do you think the court

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<v Speaker 1>is radically different than it was seventeen years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and for one reason and one reason only.

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<v Speaker 6>The Court for the first ten years that I covered

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<v Speaker 6>it had Justice Kennedy on it, and he was at

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<v Speaker 6>the middle of the court. Some people call him the

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<v Speaker 6>swing justice. He was the fulcrum on which the court

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<v Speaker 6>operated and he would mostly lean right, but in important

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 6>cases on abortion, affirmative action, the death penalty, and especially

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<v Speaker 6>gay rights, he would lean left. And that five fourness

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 6>of the court is very different. It's a very different

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<v Speaker 6>flavor than the six' to three court cases these days

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<v Speaker 6>kind of seemed pre cooked the moment they grant the.

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<v Speaker 6>Case you know what's going to happen when justice can

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<v Speaker 6>he was on the, court it did feel a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit more like a court in which people had a

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<v Speaker 6>fair shot winning their.

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<v Speaker 1>Case when you think about THE lgbtq rights, stuff the

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>conversion therapy, case all of the sort of cases around trans.

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<v Speaker 1>Rights they have a bunch of those. Cases what is

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<v Speaker 1>your sense of this courts like this is a court

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<v Speaker 1>that overturned. Raw do you think that's where this precedent setting.

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<v Speaker 6>Ends i'll draw distinction first of, all between gay rights

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<v Speaker 6>and trans. Rights ten years, ago In Oberga, fell The

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 6>court established the constitution right the same sex. MARRIAGE i

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 6>don't think there's a serious threat to. That there are

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<v Speaker 6>all kinds of ways in which religious groups can chip

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<v Speaker 6>away at that, right dissent from it not, acknowledged and so,

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<v Speaker 6>on but the basic right probably is. Sound and then

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<v Speaker 6>only five years, ago in an opinion By Joseph, gorsage

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<v Speaker 6>The court found that both gay and transgender workers are

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<v Speaker 6>protected from employment discrimination by a. STATUTE i think that's

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<v Speaker 6>the high water mark for gay and trans. WRITES i

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<v Speaker 6>think they're going to move it in the other. Direction In,

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<v Speaker 6>june as you, know in a case Called, scrimti they

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<v Speaker 6>said That tennessee and other states could forbid gender transition.

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<v Speaker 6>Care they just heard this case on conversion therapy that's

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<v Speaker 6>going to go against the trends. Side they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>hear a case on trans athletes that's going to go

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<v Speaker 6>against the trans. Side so this was a court which

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<v Speaker 6>seemed to be moving in one, direction and as with

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<v Speaker 6>the political climate and to some extent the social, climate

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<v Speaker 6>it's taken a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so. Interesting does ultimately The Supreme court abandon legal

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<v Speaker 1>academia as these two groups sort of go further and

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<v Speaker 1>further away from each.

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<v Speaker 6>Other it's too complicated to make that kind of sweeping,

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<v Speaker 6>statement AND i don't think academics have ever been all that.

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<v Speaker 6>INFLUENTIAL i heard a judge on The Second, Circuit Robert,

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<v Speaker 6>sack once say that law review articles are like street

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<v Speaker 6>lamps when you're, drunk used more for support than. Illumination that,

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<v Speaker 6>is you, know you cite a lot of your article

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<v Speaker 6>that agrees with you for window, dressing not because it's

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<v Speaker 6>persuaded you to take a different position than the one

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<v Speaker 6>you came in.

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<v Speaker 1>With has a conservative legal movement been a huge? Success?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yeah there's a bit of a pendulum to. This

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<v Speaker 5>the warrant court was quite. Liberal we've now swung a

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<v Speaker 5>completely different.

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<v Speaker 6>Direction but the conservative legal movement was a concerted, effort you,

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<v Speaker 6>know from The reagan years to establish in law schools

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<v Speaker 6>which were and are quite, liberal a kind of counter

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<v Speaker 6>group and well funded and very, strategic and you, know

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<v Speaker 6>running conservative law clerks into conservative chambers and then finding

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<v Speaker 6>them good jobs and putting them on the bench and

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<v Speaker 6>coming up with easy to understand theories like. Originalism they've

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<v Speaker 6>really outflanked the left in power on The Supreme court

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<v Speaker 6>and in the lower.

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<v Speaker 1>Courts thank, You, adam.

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<v Speaker 5>Great to be. Here thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, No, rick Will Molly John?

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<v Speaker 1>Fast are you tough enough for the? Army tough enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the police? Force?

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<v Speaker 4>No if the answer is, no why not join The

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<v Speaker 4>department Of Homeland securities.

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<v Speaker 1>On Some, oklazon welcome to ice.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby those two women.

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<v Speaker 4>Still got, it still got, It they still got it

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years, in they still got that ringing the bell

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<v Speaker 4>of Weirdo.

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans what is your moment of?

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<v Speaker 4>Fuckery you know my moment of fuckery is In, well

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<v Speaker 4>most of our nation's government workers aren't getting. Paid Christy

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<v Speaker 4>nome And corleywandowski have been given.

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<v Speaker 1>Too New you spell it with AN e because that's

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<v Speaker 1>how she thought it was. Spelled.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently, yes they've been given two new private jets to.

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<v Speaker 4>Use The coastguard had to buy, them but they are

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<v Speaker 4>exclusively for the use Of Christy nome and her.

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<v Speaker 3>Courtesan do you know much they? Cost it was one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty million for, both one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred and seventy two million for.

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<v Speaker 3>Both and by the, way, folks jack not to go

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<v Speaker 3>into the weeds on these. Jets but they.

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<v Speaker 5>FANCY i saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Pictures these are nice private.

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<v Speaker 1>Jets, yeah a Golf stream five fifty million to replace

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<v Speaker 1>an aging one because she doesn't have a good. One

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<v Speaker 1>and then, aw so ooh it's so. Fancy look at

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<v Speaker 1>the white.

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<v Speaker 2>Leather, oh, yeah there it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is by the, way, folks a Golf stream, five even

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<v Speaker 4>an older, one even a twenty year old Golf stream,

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<v Speaker 4>five is an exceedingly nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Aircraft well speak for, yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby these people are telling you That christinome and her Consort,

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<v Speaker 4>corlewandowski and their film crew that travels with her at all,

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<v Speaker 4>times her makeup and hair crew that travels with her

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<v Speaker 4>at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Times they need a private jet that's. New they can't

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<v Speaker 3>use a jet that's five years. Old my, god that's

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<v Speaker 3>a that's a. Travesty it reminds me of these people

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<v Speaker 3>that are, LIKE i don't fly.

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<v Speaker 4>Scheduled, yeah well Apparently christinem doesn't fly, scheduled nor does

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<v Speaker 4>she fly anything that.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't still doesn't have that new private.

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<v Speaker 4>Jet Smell Rick, wilson, tumbrels, Pitchforks they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming that's it for this episode Of Fast. Poly tune

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